Forum logs for 03 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11928 @ 0.00033312 = 3.9735 BTC [+] {2} [00:00]
mircea_popescu Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24. [00:00]
asciilifeform l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc [00:01]
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decimation heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary [00:01]
decimation but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs' [00:01]
decimation asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs [00:02]
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asciilifeform decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head' [00:03]
kalki thx decimation [00:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151997 << not managed to mine anything yet ? [00:03]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay. [00:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything. [00:05]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok [00:05]
decimation asciilifeform: aye, precisely. but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably [00:05]
asciilifeform actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor [00:06]
mircea_popescu as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk [00:06]
asciilifeform or to mircea_popescu's www [00:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular" [00:06]
decimation http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs [00:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key. [00:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron' [00:08]
decimation asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets [00:08]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR? [00:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale? [00:08]
decimation qntra seems to have original content generally [00:09]
decimation although at times can be a bit rambling [00:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ? [00:09]
mircea_popescu apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually. [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes [00:09]
decimation why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80 [00:10]
mircea_popescu apache may be the worst codebase ever written [00:10]
mircea_popescu which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse [00:10]
mircea_popescu EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec. [00:10]
mircea_popescu http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html < [00:11]
asciilifeform http://www.amazon.com/Borland-Turbo-C/dp/B000I5KFIE << l0l [00:11]
mircea_popescu "Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted." [00:11]
mircea_popescu "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if [00:11]
mircea_popescu it's not made out of all new material?" [00:11]
mircea_popescu the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots. [00:11]
mircea_popescu like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!" [00:11]
mircea_popescu fuck your mother with a clay pot. [00:11]
mircea_popescu "Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th [00:12]
mircea_popescu at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95." [00:12]
mircea_popescu imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in. [00:12]
asciilifeform they live in microshitland [00:13]
asciilifeform where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii) [00:13]
decimation you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit' [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-] [00:14]
asciilifeform to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety. [00:14]
mircea_popescu thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate. [00:14]
decimation and also, they generally profit at the end of the day [00:14]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible. [00:14]
decimation it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question? [00:14]
mircea_popescu me. [00:14]
asciilifeform folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die' [00:14]
asciilifeform and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession. [00:14]
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decimation http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up. [00:16]
decimation (Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary). [00:16]
gabriel_laddel ty BingoBoingo [00:16]
BingoBoingo btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw [00:17]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel how's the os business. [00:17]
decimation yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle' [00:17]
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decimation shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering [00:18]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along [00:18]
gabriel_laddel re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent [00:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output. [00:23]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something [00:23]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance. [00:24]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice [00:24]
mircea_popescu that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications. [00:25]
gabriel_laddel mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo [00:25]
gabriel_laddel it has been tested twice, is solid [00:25]
mircea_popescu where ? [00:25]
mod6 feel free to send it my way. [00:25]
gabriel_laddel !s system.html [00:26]
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mod6 i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet. [00:26]
gabriel_laddel Section #2, Installing [00:26]
mircea_popescu " This is a time consuming PITA. " [00:27]
mircea_popescu i feel encouraged. [00:27]
gabriel_laddel it'll eat an entire day [00:27]
gabriel_laddel hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install [00:27]
mircea_popescu http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/Funtoo_Linux_Installation.htm aha. [00:28]
gabriel_laddel but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is [00:28]
mircea_popescu "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. " [00:28]
mircea_popescu motherfucker. [00:28]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python. [00:28]
mircea_popescu it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day [00:29]
mod6 thanks, just took a look. im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly. i think i have a good /etc/fstab. and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk. this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI. [00:29]
decimation possibly because it tries to download timestamped files? [00:29]
decimation on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first [00:29]
gabriel_laddel why would it need to download timestamped files? [00:30]
mod6 but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)" [00:30]
mod6 well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway. [00:30]
mod6 i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook. [00:31]
decimation I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again [00:31]
gabriel_laddel mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab [00:31]
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mod6 gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale. i'll be checking it out more tomorrow. [00:32]
decimation mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all [00:32]
mod6 if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot. [00:32]
mircea_popescu decimation it's due to the cert business. [00:33]
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decimation ah makes sense [00:33]
mircea_popescu because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally [00:33]
mircea_popescu nu-uh, gotta pki the shit. [00:33]
decimation heh, well gpg has the same issue [00:33]
mircea_popescu all-the-wrong-things (tm) [00:33]
mircea_popescu how ? [00:33]
decimation I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys [00:33]
decimation keys can expire [00:33]
mircea_popescu key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho [00:34]
decimation key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea [00:34]
decimation no it does not [00:34]
mircea_popescu heh i guess so [00:34]
decimation but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert [00:35]
decimation and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so" [00:35]
mircea_popescu it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence. [00:36]
mircea_popescu retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is [00:36]
mircea_popescu so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things" [00:37]
mircea_popescu "nobody can say we're not hard at work over here" [00:37]
decimation well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security [00:37]
decimation and poor quality hardware implementations [00:37]
decimation lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those [00:38]
gabriel_laddel mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else [00:38]
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gabriel_laddel also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use [00:38]
decimation I thought funtoo used rhel kernels [00:38]
gabriel_laddel decimation: debian [00:39]
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gabriel_laddel by default anyhow [00:39]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers. [00:39]
trinque gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests [00:39]
trinque heh [00:39]
gabriel_laddel alrighty [00:40]
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BingoBoingo In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus [00:43]
trinque BingoBoingo: have a destination yet? [00:44]
mircea_popescu 80 pushups ?! [00:45]
mod6 gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up [00:45]
mircea_popescu can you do any chinups yet ? [00:45]
BingoBoingo trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati [00:45]
trinque cool [00:45]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier. [00:46]
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BingoBoingo brb, seeing if I can do chin ups [00:46]
Landgull Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to. [00:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off [00:46]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. " [00:46]
asciilifeform ('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1' [00:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple [00:47]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again [00:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is... [00:48]
mircea_popescu i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder. [00:48]
BingoBoingo Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody [00:48]
BingoBoingo And no, not chin-up in shape yet [00:48]
Landgull If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption. [00:49]
BingoBoingo Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing. [00:49]
asciilifeform i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing [00:50]
BingoBoingo But as that changes situation will get moar desperate [00:50]
asciilifeform perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ? [00:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated. [00:50]
trinque my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich [00:51]
Landgull Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about. [00:51]
asciilifeform Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ? [00:51]
asciilifeform i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants [00:52]
Landgull They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast. [00:52]
BingoBoingo My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home. [00:52]
asciilifeform (but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat) [00:53]
asciilifeform !s republikflucht [00:53]
assbot 10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht [00:53]
trinque only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in time* [00:54]
trinque that and coffee wake me up in the morning [00:54]
asciilifeform trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel [00:54]
trinque nobody ever once started a business and made any money [00:55]
asciilifeform business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some [00:55]
asciilifeform but rounds to 0. [00:55]
Landgull Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English. [00:55]
trinque Landgull: *mandarin :P [00:55]
asciilifeform Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english [00:55]
trinque I have a buddy learning that now [00:55]
asciilifeform esp. after u.s. is done [00:56]
Landgull Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community. [00:56]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: korea [00:57]
BingoBoingo Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea. [00:58]
gabriel_laddel ummm [00:58]
Landgull Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand. [00:59]
Landgull CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out. [01:00]
BingoBoingo Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit. [01:02]
Landgull Fair enough. I haven't been to Georgia yet, I'm hoping to visit sometime in the next few months. [01:03]
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asciilifeform Landgull: when nato dies its long-overdue death, cometh the bulldozer [01:25]
Landgull Sure. But there are still plenty of parts of the world where the food supply comes from within 100 miles of the city. [01:26]
asciilifeform Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ? [01:28]
decimation new zealand comes to mind [01:29]
decimation it's full of socialist derps but pretty self-sufficient [01:30]
BingoBoingo Landgull: Come to scenic southern illinois! [01:30]
Landgull Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. [01:30]
asciilifeform Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap [01:30]
asciilifeform than work as 'coder' [01:30]
decimation Landgull: I think ascii's goal is to sleep ad libitum [01:30]
Landgull I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 [01:30]
decimation can also catch a 7.62 round [01:31]
BingoBoingo Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. << Alf is in a more dangerous position. He is an excellent flenser and polisher. Intellectually uninteresting work will shave decades off of his life. [01:31]
BingoBoingo I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 << Welcome to my back yard [01:31]
Landgull Well, if you're smart enough to know how to allocate memory in C, you can find a way to earn $500 a month anywhere in the world. [01:32]
asciilifeform Landgull: in a way that doesn't make you save up for a pistol to blow brains with? [01:32]
decimation let us know when Putin the Great asks for german colonists to come back to odessa [01:32]
asciilifeform if i were smart enough for this, would not be living in usa now. [01:32]
Landgull Well, what do you do in the USA now? And Putin has no interest in Lviv. [01:32]
asciilifeform Landgull: i must refer you to the logs. it is difficult to describe [01:33]
Landgull Fair enough. All I know is that I'd plow fields to avoid going back to the US. [01:34]
asciilifeform Landgull: presently i work on automation of reverse-engineering on x86. prior to that, as a reverse engineer. prior to that, high-performance computing for biotech, as sole programmer in entire outfit [01:34]
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Landgull So, if you sold those skills freelance, for $100 an hour, you could work for 10 hours a month and live very comfortably in most parts of the world. [01:35]
Landgull Most non-anglophone parts. [01:36]
asciilifeform !s meatwot [01:36]
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asciilifeform Landgull: ^ must refer you to logs. [01:36]
trinque !s variety speak [01:36]
decimation Landgull: I desire to work 0 hours per month for someone else [01:36]
assbot 48 results for 'variety speak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=variety+speak [01:36]
decimation neigh impossible in fiat world [01:37]
Landgull Decimation: As do I. But that's much easier to achieve when your expenses are $500, not $5,000. [01:37]
decimation sure, dollar pollution is high in the us, but that's where I'm stuck. like ascii, my wot is here [01:38]
asciilifeform Landgull: one thing to be aware of is that logic analyzer still costs 500 in lvov. and electron microscope still costs 500000, just like in new york. [01:38]
asciilifeform (plus a few tonnes' shipping) [01:39]
decimation ^ that too [01:39]
decimation electronics has been completely 'globalized' [01:39]
Landgull Fair points as well. And I'm not suggesting Lviv as a specific destination, I'm here meeting the girlfriend's family - though it's really quite a nice city. [01:39]
asciilifeform no just pointing out the limitations of 'move, shave some zeroes from your expenses' [01:40]
asciilifeform it works for, e.g., rent [01:40]
decimation and food to some extent [01:40]
asciilifeform not so much for actually -fucking living- life [01:40]
decimation that requires - actual city [01:40]
Landgull I guess it depends on what pieces of life you consider living. I'm not arguing that it's easier to get out of the US, if it were easier it would be done. [01:41]
asciilifeform it requires functioning industrial economy [01:41]
decimation ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k [01:41]
asciilifeform decimation: and eat roots, berries ? [01:41]
decimation heh yeah exactly [01:41]
Landgull You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD. [01:41]
asciilifeform decimation: not to mention that tax is still payable in usd [01:41]
asciilifeform and not roots, berries. [01:41]
decimation indeed. then your only choice is to live under a stump like that one guy [01:42]
asciilifeform Landgull: until the city is liberated and they shoot everyone who ever held u.s. passport [01:42]
asciilifeform (rest assured there is a list) [01:42]
BingoBoingo decimation> ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k << Not really, Chicoms are buying Iowa like it is going out of style. [01:42]
Landgull Ascii: No-one really hates Americans, unless you're the socks with sandals type. [01:42]
asciilifeform Landgull: guess again. [01:42]
decimation Landgull: read many books? [01:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid [01:43]
decimation !article 58 [01:43]
decimation !s article 58 [01:43]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the only reason you and i even can afford food is that he doesn't need all of it [01:43]
Landgull ...I'm telling you from having been to a number of places and talked to a number of people, I've yet to meet anyone who hates American people. [01:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed. We are limited to the border swamps [01:44]
Landgull Plenty hate the American government. [01:44]
decimation Landgull: the point is that when they want to throw you in the gulag, nicities like 'we liked americans' mean jack shit [01:44]
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Landgull ...except the only gulags that still exist are in the USA. [01:45]
decimation heh [01:45]
Landgull And North Korea. [01:45]
Landgull But I'm not advocating trying to migrate to North Korea. [01:45]
decimation russia and china have thier own versions [01:45]
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Landgull Most governments don't have the kind of resources to do US style insanity. [01:46]
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Landgull And most people in the world don't have the culture of violence that the US does. [01:48]
asciilifeform Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ? [01:49]
Landgull Well, the Ukrainians have thrown more molotovs at their government than anyone else recently. [01:49]
asciilifeform a healthy tradition of violence is quite possibly the only thing u.s. has left going for it. [01:49]
Landgull And probably will again soon. [01:49]
decimation lol ukrainians have done was usg wills [01:50]
decimation !s nuland [01:50]
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Landgull I know all about Nuland. [01:50]
Landgull And the US corruption of the Maidan. [01:50]
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decimation asciilifeform: I bought one of those termteks, gonna see if it works [01:53]
decimation I want a remote console for my server [01:53]
asciilifeform decimation: consider posting a pic of the insides [01:53]
decimation sure no problem [01:53]
Landgull But seriously, it takes 10 minutes of talking to actual Ukrainians walking around here to see that they haven't bought USgov propaganda properly. As much as the information net wants you to believe it's the same everywhere, it isn't. [01:54]
decimation they don't have to buy it for some army or other to show up to 'liberate' them [01:54]
asciilifeform Landgull: there's a couplea million folks a few 100 km east of you who will have your head on a pike if you stick around. [01:54]
asciilifeform don't imagine they won't. [01:55]
decimation or encourage you to do your patriotic duty [01:55]
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Landgull Ascii: 1) I can buy a plane ticket somewhere else if a real invasion happened. 2) If the Russians came into the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, they'd be fighting a massive guerrilla war...they're succeeding in Donetsk and Luhansk because the people there are Russians and have a Russian identity. [01:56]
decimation the red army was famous for putting machine gunners behind the troops, for encouragement [01:56]
asciilifeform Landgull: ask the older locals how the guerilla war worked out for them '45-'60 [01:56]
decimation or how it worked out for the anti-asad syrians [01:57]
decimation or how it worked out for the anti-chinese vietnamese [01:57]
asciilifeform and this notion that one can buy plane ticket during invasion... [01:57]
* asciilifeform won't even comment on this [01:58]
asciilifeform !s diamond train [01:58]
assbot 0 results for 'diamond train' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diamond+train [01:58]
Landgull I'd mention that I'm out here doing what you claim to want to do. [01:58]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#/media/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg [01:58]
asciilifeform Landgull: then you have a catastrophic misconception of what i would like to do. [01:58]
Landgull You don't want to get out of the US? [01:58]
asciilifeform i want out of u.s. on -my- terms [01:59]
asciilifeform and when i say 'out', i mean 'out' [01:59]
asciilifeform and not living in a u.s. colony [01:59]
asciilifeform which 100% of cis, and esp. west ua, is [01:59]
asciilifeform just as new zealand is [01:59]
asciilifeform or poland [01:59]
decimation indeed, such a place probably does not exist [02:00]
Landgull Before I came here, I would have said the same thing. [02:00]
trinque it's going to have to be an underground-undersea base [02:00]
Landgull And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power. [02:00]
asciilifeform trinque: they exist but generally you gotta be ethnic [02:00]
decimation trinque: undersea is laughably insecure [02:00]
asciilifeform trinque: e.g., cn [02:00]
Landgull That's the thing that's virtually impossible to understand while you're still in the US. [02:00]
trinque decimation: note the hyphen, not a slash [02:00]
trinque underground *and* undersea! [02:00]
decimation heh [02:01]
decimation you livin in a volcano? [02:01]
trinque cover's blown [02:01]
decimation Landgull: the thing is, if you make trouble and usg wants you, the derpy local government will please their masters [02:01]
Landgull Sure, they will. What kind of trouble are you looking to make? [02:02]
decimation replace fiat with bitcoin? [02:02]
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Landgull Do you have enough money for them to notice you exist? [02:02]
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decimation if bitcoin becomes close to replacing any major fiat, it will be 'enough money' for everyone to notice [02:03]
asciilifeform Landgull: e.g., weev, had no money. [02:03]
asciilifeform neither did the 'ufo hacker' kid in uk [02:03]
asciilifeform nor, afaik, mr assange [02:03]
asciilifeform money is not needed to be gassed [02:03]
Landgull If bitcoin starts replacing fiat, the USgov isn't going to have the resources to come after you. [02:04]
decimation and to monetize bitcoin is to destroy the entire usd financial 'system' [02:04]
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Landgull As for the rest: How many of them lived in non-anglophone countries? [02:04]
decimation which is why they will pinch you as soon as they can [02:04]
trinque Landgull: I'd expect some tumultuous years before that's complete [02:05]
Landgull Sure. But I'd expect your chances are better in a country where the government is essentially non-existent than they are somewhere that they know where you are and can knock on your door. [02:05]
asciilifeform they are making the slow but inevitable transition from fraud to robbery [02:05]
decimation ^ which is when it will be useful to live in a 'culture of violence' [02:06]
asciilifeform Landgull: other thing is, if you rely on electronic banks in any way whatsoever, they'll simply zero your accounts [02:06]
asciilifeform and send you a complimentary plane ticket back to gulag [02:06]
Landgull Ascii: cash, and meatWOT, and btc are all keys to avoiding that. [02:07]
asciilifeform Landgull: if you have enough of these to last your entire natural life, we're happy for you [02:07]
Landgull My girlfriend is from here. Her family likes me. If it were THAT dire, I'd go run away to their village and help them grow food. [02:07]
decimation how many people in that village will know about the foreigner? [02:08]
asciilifeform y'know, for all the things said about american prison, at least no one is compelled to be involved in the growing of food there. [02:08]
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decimation aye, most of the 'resources' he complains about are spent feeding prisoners [02:08]
Landgull If you're going to declare yourself an enemy of the USgov and be a real threat to them, they'll find you, sure. [02:09]
decimation or RUgov [02:09]
Landgull Or any major government. [02:09]
decimation or maybe they will round up the 'dissidents' to be shot to encourage the masses [02:09]
Landgull If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US. [02:09]
* asciilifeform tries to recall the last time americans threw grenade in his window [02:10]
BingoBoingo If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US. << I have yet to seem flashbangs tyvm. I just has a single FBI agent and single treasury agent sweating on my front lawn like the hambeasts they were. [02:10]
* asciilifeform tries to recall the last time he ate synthetic food [02:11]
Landgull Ascii: There is no actual food available in the US unless you grow it yourself. Seriously. I didn't think it was that bad until I ate real food. As for the flashbangs: people get no-knocked all the time. You're the ones saying they're going to send death-squads to Ukraine after me, but you're not worried about them doing the same to you from in their backyard? [02:12]
BingoBoingo Landgull: I am terribly worried of that. [02:12]
asciilifeform Landgull: the queue must be long, i'm still waiting to be gassed, give'em some time [02:12]
decimation generally no-knocks are done of folks who give the cops some reason to think they will be a threat [02:12]
BingoBoingo But I am terribly resigned to being low on the cue [02:12]
asciilifeform 'prison is like the grave, room can be found for everyone' (ru proverb) [02:13]
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Landgull If they want you, they'll find you wherever you go. But it takes a lot more wanting to deal with finding you somewhere else than it does to find you when you're wrapped up with a bow for them. [02:13]
asciilifeform Landgull: interestingly, it is much cheaper to have you picked up in an 'orcish' land than in, e.g., new york [02:14]
asciilifeform because the dirty work can be done with local hands, and bureaucratic niceties are 100% optional [02:14]
Landgull Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. [02:14]
decimation no lawyers, etc [02:15]
asciilifeform Landgull: ^ and this doesn't affect your life?! [02:15]
decimation no other parts of usg to fiddle [02:15]
Landgull Well, I'm not trying to be here on a permanent visa. [02:15]
BingoBoingo Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. << Kinda why Phillipines is on my exit candidate list. Massively orchish and USG proving proving ground for cultural failures. [02:15]
Landgull And I'm not suggesting Lviv as the destination of the century - like I said, I'm here to meet the girlfriend's family. [02:15]
asciilifeform Landgull: besides, they did organize very well to shell a few million ru folks in east ua day and night. that will be paid for eventually. [02:15]
Landgull Yeah, but most of those soldiers are extremely hostile to the UAgov at this point. It's more likely to be paid for by the UAarmy than the RUarmy. [02:16]
asciilifeform Landgull: they're bringing in u.s. mercenaries. will be many good lulz. [02:16]
Landgull I've heard the Phillipines are good. I've never been there. [02:17]
BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd??? [02:17]
decimation I was unaware that generals took the opinion of their troops into account [02:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: artifexd [02:17]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell artifexd http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx [02:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:18]
Landgull If the troops have more guns than they have generals... [02:18]
decimation then mutineers are shot? [02:18]
Landgull These people have been fighting for actual independence, from everyone, for over 100 years. They've fought poles, they've fought germans, they've fought russians. [02:18]
Landgull Unlike the USgov with a nebulous idea of "we want to spread democracy guyz" they actually know what they're fighting for. [02:19]
asciilifeform Landgull: fighting to be zimbabwe, yes [02:19]
asciilifeform Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum [02:20]
asciilifeform as we have it - zimbabwe. [02:20]
Landgull Ascii: Most of the "economic development" in the world is fed by debt-bubbles. [02:20]
decimation I was under the impression that they wanted to recreate the waffen ss [02:20]
asciilifeform decimation: aha, with pitchforks (what'll be left after nato packs up) [02:20]
decimation http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ [02:21]
Landgull As for the nazi issue: Yes, Bandera and UPA are considered cultural heroes here, and yes they co-operated with the germans, because they thought it was their best chance for an independent Ukraine. [02:21]
decimation of course, as moldbug said, actual nazis would ahve been horrified by these guys [02:22]
Landgull Most of the things you're saying are what I thought before I actually got on an airplane and came here. [02:22]
asciilifeform Landgull: i happen to have been born there. [02:22]
Landgull In Lviv? [02:22]
asciilifeform 600km east [02:23]
asciilifeform odessa [02:23]
Landgull Are you Russian or Ukrainian? [02:24]
asciilifeform ru [02:24]
decimation wait, I thought ukrainian was kind of a rural-hick version of russian (as a language) [02:24]
asciilifeform when the ukrs came, changed the street signs, and forced their chimp dialect to be taught in schools, my folks packed up for usa. [02:24]
asciilifeform decimation: it is [02:25]
asciilifeform decimation: phun phact: 'u kraina' ~= 'on the hinterlands' [02:25]
decimation the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious [02:25]
BingoBoingo Landgull: May I suggest lever action rifle as a solution to your problems. Since pistol caliber casting rounds with coinsilver is surprisingly reasonable [02:25]
Landgull ...except I can look at people and tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. And again: I'm not saying Ukraine is the mecca to run to, I'm saying that getting out of the US to somewhere that is saner, (and yes, UA is saner than the US) is worth the effort. [02:26]
asciilifeform Landgull: west ua is ethnically own things, yes. largely pl and hu folks [02:26]
decimation russia itself isn't exactly homogenous [02:27]
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Landgull Ascii: holodomor and resettling of russians during the USSR definitely effected the country in a big way, demographically, such that "historically Ukrainian" lands aren't really Ukrainian anymore. [02:28]
asciilifeform decimation: when most foreigners think of ru, they picture something roughly like the duchy of moscovy circa 1300s [02:28]
* BingoBoingo pictures Sean Connery's home in Hunt for the Red October [02:29]
asciilifeform *1500 [02:29]
Landgull But the Ukrainians are an actual race and culture - yes they're similar to the Poles, the Hungarians, and the Russians, but whether or not they're a biological race or just a cultural and linguistic one, they've a strong sense of national identity and a strong desire for national self-determination. [02:30]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah but what about all the turkic and mongoliod autonomous regions [02:30]
asciilifeform next Landgull will have us consider the pakistanis or taiwanese 'an ancient and own race and culture' [02:30]
Landgull I also think that Crimea and eastern UA shouldn't probably be part of the same country as western and central UA. [02:31]
asciilifeform rather than the anglo-created zoos they are [02:31]
decimation Urdu having sprung from the wisdom of the british line-drawers [02:31]
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asciilifeform and i'd like to learn of the ancient and proud race of south korea. [02:31]
Landgull Except the people here have been fighting to be their own country since before the US became an empire. [02:31]
decimation Landgull: what about Zabaykalsky Krai [02:32]
asciilifeform Landgull: mainly fighting poles, and turks, yes [02:32]
Landgull Decimation: It's not something I know enough about to make any comment on. [02:32]
asciilifeform and to avoid rape & pillage, rather than 'to be own country', which is really a 19th c. psychiatric disease [02:32]
asciilifeform and in its most acute manifestations, far more recent than that [02:33]
decimation my point is that there are plenty of autonomous oblasts inside ru which have similiar 'ethnic and liguistic' claims [02:33]
decimation hell, so do the apache in arizona [02:33]
Landgull And if they want independence, why shouldn't they have it? [02:33]
asciilifeform decimation: i will add that usg works tirelessly to help -them- as well 'wake up' to their 'ancient and proud cultural identity and thirst for independence' [02:33]
decimation because they suck, and cannot achieve it [02:33]
Landgull So, you're opposed to US imperialism, but simultaneously think that people shouldn't have a right to self-determination? [02:34]
asciilifeform Landgull: any flea-bitten village can become an independent country. all it needs to do is learn to manufacture ballistic rockets and nukes by the thousands. [02:34]
asciilifeform and submarines to sail them on. [02:34]
decimation woah, I never said I was opposed to us imperialism [02:34]
decimation I'm opposed to the lack of liberty in the us [02:34]
asciilifeform anything short of this, is just switching the selection of imperial rapist [02:34]
asciilifeform Landgull: 'right to self-determination' comes from these gadgets and nowhere else. [02:35]
Landgull Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing. [02:35]
mats fun fact: some large radio telescopes were built for earth to moon to earth surveillance of su radars [02:35]
asciilifeform Landgull: only if you're goatfuckistan [02:35]
asciilifeform with no infrastructure [02:35]
asciilifeform mats: i thought this was well-known [02:35]
mats why would you think that [02:36]
decimation what is your kalash going to do against a T-72? [02:36]
Landgull You don't go running headfirst towards tanks unless you're an idiot. [02:36]
decimation or an entire village pointing the finger at the foreign wrecker [02:36]
asciilifeform decimation: notice how usg is in kandahar but not in moscow [02:36]
mats fun fact: there are ascii art animals in the windows source [02:36]
asciilifeform it is not enough for the defensive weapon to make attack unprofitable, or even suicidal. it must be -unthinkable- [02:37]
asciilifeform as in - 'new york is glass' [02:37]
decimation yeah, cn and ru are more-or-less independent [02:37]
Landgull ...for the last time, I'm not saying "Hey guys, you should move to Ukraine." or that I'm moving to Ukraine for that matter - I prefer South America on the whole. I'm saying that if you want personal liberty, and to not live in an insane culture, you can actually leave and be better off. [02:37]
asciilifeform Landgull: i was merely arguing that you have not actually left usa [02:38]
decimation and I'm saying that you have lept from the frying pan into the fire [02:38]
asciilifeform just living in the 76th state or the like. [02:38]
decimation you are part of the greater-usaia that has no pretense of rights [02:38]
asciilifeform yes, flat in lvov costs about what it does in iowa. [02:38]
asciilifeform but why is this exciting [02:39]
decimation ^ if ascii wanted to live in a mut hut, he could do in the us for the same price [02:39]
mats fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments. [02:39]
asciilifeform cheaper [02:39]
asciilifeform no need for airplane. [02:39]
decimation could even carry kalash [02:39]
asciilifeform mats: untrusted ~= without admin ? [02:39]
mats yeah [02:39]
asciilifeform mats: considering the ease of bypassing uac on all known winblows, sorta academic [02:40]
decimation mats: probably depends on how retarded your hardware is [02:40]
asciilifeform mats: or the abundance of buggy legit-signed drivers to dynamically load and exploit [02:40]
Landgull Ascii: I won't disagree with you (decimation, you're wrong.) that most of the world is currently under the USgov thumb, to some degree. But you are still better off in an outlying part of it, where the control is less potent, and has much less influence on your daily life (like, in terms of being able to buy food that doesn't make you sick, and being able to date girls who aren't insane) than you are sitting in their back yard [02:40]
asciilifeform Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0 [02:41]
asciilifeform and re: their sanity once you renounce your u.s. passport formally [02:41]
decimation heh yeah [02:41]
Landgull Ascii: met the girl in Canada, she pays for half of everything, and she's not interested in ever going back to the west, because it's too insane. [02:42]
* asciilifeform cannot comment on the specifics of Landgull's case here, but the overall prognosis of americans who go abroad 'for the gurlz' is dire [02:42]
Landgull Decimation: You're imagining that governments in the rest of the world work like the US government. I.E. the laws on the books matter. They can pass a law saying just about anything they want, but they don't have the means to enforce it and they have a population that is used to just ignoring government stupidity instead of bending over. [02:43]
Landgull The babusya/babushkas here have more power than Poroshenko does. [02:43]
asciilifeform Landgull: this cuts both ways. if locals start charging you $1000/mo for the great privilege of your flat not being torched, the officials -also- will not care. [02:43]
Landgull Sure. And it's why you do need to actually integrate. I.E. learn the language, get to know people, etc. [02:44]
asciilifeform if Landgull did this - congrats to him [02:44]
Landgull Same thing with the women. If you go to Ukraine, find English speaking girls, and flash your passport and cash around, you're going to have a bad day. [02:44]
Landgull ~40-50 hryvnyas. So $2-3 [02:45]
Landgull Ascii: I'm working, slowly, on my Ukrainian. My Spanish is much better. [02:45]
decimation Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees [02:46]
Landgull Decimation: I'm not running from, I'm running to. [02:46]
Landgull I used to be running from. [02:46]
Landgull I like learning languages, and I like buying my food in an open air market from the person who grew it. [02:47]
Landgull Haha. I also like cheap vodka and cops you can bribe away from petty crimes. [02:49]
Landgull XD [02:50]
Landgull I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started. [02:51]
Landgull And if the western finance system does come crashing down, you're going to be better off in poor countries (granted that you can live like a local) because they're used to things like that happening. USistan will devolve into utter insanity. [02:52]
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Landgull Sure, it's not for everyone. [03:00]
Landgull Moving. The fact that people still pay for cable is proof that the second isn't for everyone. [03:01]
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Landgull It was more of a quip than a serious comment - but I know a number of people who spend their time yelling at the box because of what obama/the republicans/the gays/the church did today. [03:03]
Landgull Right now, Lviv, Ukraine. [03:03]
Landgull For the next 2.5 months. [03:04]
Landgull Cost of living, for the same standard of living, is ~5-10x lower here than in the US [03:05]
Landgull If you actually go shop at the market and take public transport, as opposed to walling yourself off in some hotel. [03:06]
Landgull The food is better than anything I've ever had before. [03:06]
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Landgull People from the villages around Lviv bring in what they grow and sell it to you. No mass-produced GMO rin tomatoes. [03:07]
Landgull The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better. [03:08]
Landgull Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly. [03:09]
Landgull Which sounds like a bad thing, but I'd like to know why it is that chicken rots much faster in Ukraine than in the US... [03:10]
Landgull If the bacteria won't eat it... [03:10]
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Landgull I'm not trying to claim that this is some kind of paradise, it's absolutely not, and you have to give up a lot of the "first world" comforts. [03:12]
Landgull Eh, violence here when it happens is much more the fist fight sort than the murder sort. [03:12]
Landgull Or the "I want your money" and then run away sort. [03:13]
Landgull It's definitely safer than the city I grew up in back in the US. [03:13]
mircea_popescu in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per. [03:16]
mircea_popescu back when it was comissioned coupla years ago it blazed through them at the rate of 7-10 seconds per. [03:16]
mircea_popescu if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes [03:16]
mircea_popescu meaning that the average server your average internaut can't afford would barely keep up with the chain. [03:17]
Landgull So doesn't that mean the 20mb block will self-defeat? [03:18]
BingoBoingo if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes << Welcome to my world [03:18]
mircea_popescu Landgull the 20mb block is a transparent attempt by the usg to take control back. [03:19]
mircea_popescu it will self-defeat once the last policeman is buried in the coffin of the last politician. [03:19]
Landgull I don't think they can keep fighting physics and math forever. [03:20]
BingoBoingo Apparently some upstate politician who called himself Illinois fats died this week. [03:20]
mircea_popescu the masquerade where "people" ie, social media astroturf is misrepresented as being in favour of this atrocity... [03:20]
mircea_popescu "we joined bitcoin because we didn't like the banks so please take our bitcoin and put it in a bank" [03:21]
Landgull Sure, but at least you didn't die of rabies. [03:23]
Landgull That was sarcasm. [03:24]
Landgull Homo facebookus would have to be aware of its life to die. [03:25]
mircea_popescu i guess. [03:27]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152492 << o.O [03:43]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 03:48:44; Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast. [03:43]
mircea_popescu what is this, crazy logic hour ? [03:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed [03:44]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 03:51:56; asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done [03:44]
mircea_popescu not before. [03:44]
Landgull It would, though. The US learned from the USSR: you're better off making people believe that you'll be murdered and raped and strangled if you go anywhere and leave the hotel. It keeps people in line much more effectively than a travel ban would. [03:44]
Landgull If a few dissidents flee, what of it? They were dissidents anyway. [03:44]
Landgull But if you try to ban leaving, they have to admit what they really are. [03:45]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152520 << this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152525 make for excellent reading. alf's developing the delivery skills of a character in a tenessee williams play. [03:45]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:24:38; asciilifeform: Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ? [03:45]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:26:29; asciilifeform: Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap [03:45]
mircea_popescu Landgull the future hears you and says "your cheap psycho-skullduggery holds no power here". [03:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152529 << for the local equivalent of checking someone else's privilege for them, yeah. [03:47]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:27:15; decimation: can also catch a 7.62 round [03:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152567 << i wonder what should be happening in one's head who "owns" real estate in random country but employs no army there. [03:51]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:37:45; Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD. [03:51]
mircea_popescu what's the idea, someone'll indemnify you, come hell or high water, because they deeply care ? [03:52]
Landgull I don't own real estate in Lviv and won't particularly recommend it as an investment. Though it's probably better than a US bank account, which I do have. [03:53]
mircea_popescu if one's forced to pick prolly best pick a mix, but yeah [03:53]
Landgull I wouldn't be in a bitcoin channel if I thought that assets a government can take from you easily were a good idea. XD [03:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152594 << yes, actually, it is. [03:55]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:44:55; asciilifeform: Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ? [03:55]
mircea_popescu the us would be infinitely better if instead of "raising awareness" the impotent twerps would be busy accepting rape into their lives. [03:55]
Landgull As for the rest: if you're in line at a slaughterhouse, your best move is always to try to get away, even if you risk being shot in the process. Uncertain success is better than certain failure, and life in the US has become so intolerable that I'd rather take my chances with an uncertain future than with a certain one. [03:56]
mircea_popescu who're you again ? [03:56]
Landgull I'm a newb. [03:57]
mircea_popescu that's a what. [03:57]
Landgull I'm just some guy who found this place a few weeks ago, read the logs for a while, and decided that I'd like to join the community here, if it'll have me. [03:57]
mircea_popescu Landgull so what's flyotech ? [03:58]
Landgull Heh. Was a startup I was working on, using black soldier fly larvae to convert organic waste into biodiesel, fish feed, and fertilizer. Actually got it into Startup Chile, but my business partner refused to go to Chile and cost me the grant. [03:59]
mircea_popescu married ? [04:00]
mircea_popescu the partner i mean [04:00]
Landgull Patents are in the process. And yeah, it was the girlfriend - not married yet, but she has his balls just the same. [04:00]
Landgull It's for the best, the more I've learned about the "start up community" the more they make me want to gouge out my own eyes. [04:01]
mircea_popescu beware of women affraid to travel and fuck strangers. they make horrible wives. [04:01]
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Landgull I'd say if you're dating a girl who would allow you to not go to something like that, you're dating the wrong woman. [04:02]
Landgull Either way, a couple other people have caught onto similar ideas and have gotten pretty far ahead of me by now, but I put in a patent app a while back and with any luck I'll be able to license those out when I get done with it. [04:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152634 << nuttiest thing i ever heard. so go into the secret service headquarters, kick the boss out of his office and play quake on his desktop for an evening. [04:04]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:56:21; Landgull: And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power. [04:04]
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Landgull Meh - fair point, but I mean they have very limited ability to screw with people who are just trying to live their lives. [04:05]
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mircea_popescu you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. [04:06]
mircea_popescu apparently, it's because they have very limited ability to screw with stuff. [04:06]
mircea_popescu but on tyhe other hand, make the bricks out of solid gold and see. [04:06]
Landgull Sure, if the Ukrainians had anything to steal, the government would rapidly begin to steal it. But right now it's more profitable for them to steal from the USG. [04:06]
mircea_popescu you see where this is going ? [04:07]
Landgull Sure. And my response is that I expect to dry my laundry on a clothesline until fiat is dead. [04:08]
mircea_popescu i once knew a guy who deigned to pick up the phone half the time when desperate hot women were calling to beg him to let them come over for a spell. [04:08]
mircea_popescu obviously, this doesn't work for everybody. [04:09]
mircea_popescu but mayhap it'll work for your clothesline [04:09]
Landgull But I still prefer people who steal from you because they're just stealing from you and they want your stuff to people who steal for you and ask you to say it's for your own good. [04:09]
Landgull The Ukie lot only try to steal your stuff, they don't bother trying to rape your mind. [04:09]
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Landgull steal from you, rather* [04:10]
mircea_popescu arguably they do the same thing, with the means their limited intellect allows them to try and employ. or to quote : [04:11]
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BingoBoingo you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. << And this is the warning flag Ferguson is a special failure. Theives steal the bricks. [04:13]
mircea_popescu "Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals. Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting. A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances." [04:13]
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Landgull Sure, but having grown up in the US, the buttons that were implanted in me can still be pushed by their propaganda. [04:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152686 << in this he has a point. the thirld world derps are comically incompetent to a degree perhaps best typified by that kidnapped columbian general in charge of supressing farc last year. [04:16]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:10:49; Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. [04:16]
mircea_popescu the bar to effectual interdiction can be as low as a dozen armed trained hands. [04:16]
mircea_popescu so yes it is much cheaper, in the sense that if you're cheap it's cheaper and if not it can't be done. [04:17]
Landgull There's not really anywhere safe to go with assets, including btc, though it beats most of the alternatives. [04:18]
mircea_popescu much like the flea market works. cheapest half-and-half to be had in the lands, but you won't get any pornstar poon there. [04:18]
BingoBoingo From what I've read Sinaloa's fortunes have taken a turn for the worse since their USG connections at the top were revealed [04:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo interesting how that works huh. [04:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Truly. [04:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152697 << wut was that ? [04:20]
BingoBoingo Meanwhile Los Zetas and the other non-USG cartel have their Eric Holder weapons somewhere... [04:20]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:13:08; BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd??? [04:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Freenode banned #fatpeoplehate [04:20]
mircea_popescu heh [04:20]
BingoBoingo Imagine that though. An actual social justice cause organized on Freenode and B& [04:21]
mircea_popescu why don't they go to 8chan instead. [04:22]
BingoBoingo Their core is still on Reddit [04:22]
BingoBoingo Their IRC is a sideshow [04:22]
mircea_popescu they also sound pretty retarded. [04:23]
BingoBoingo Happens with any broadly inclusive cause [04:23]
mircea_popescu overeager young males with significant socialisation deficit. [04:23]
mircea_popescu i guess. [04:23]
BingoBoingo But on reddit they are nearly as popular as Bitcoin to within 2% [04:24]
mircea_popescu lol mkay [04:25]
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mircea_popescu and bottlecaps are more popular than sex. [04:25]
mircea_popescu "Thin privilege is uploading a picture of yourself that takes under 1 minute to render" [04:26]
mircea_popescu lmao [04:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You have to understand since you left 'Murica it has only gotten heavier [04:27]
chetty thin privilege? thats a parody I hope ... [04:27]
mircea_popescu chetty your hopes are misplaced! [04:27]
BingoBoingo chetty: We can wish, but reality... [04:28]
BingoBoingo Orcs are always going to bitch about Elf priviledge [04:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152707 << check out alf hating on teh ukrs. [04:28]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:16:13; asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum [04:28]
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Landgull Mircea: out of curiosity, wouldn't Romania be culturally closer to Ukraine than to the USA? I'm curious which of the two you would prefer to live in (or, for that matter, if there's a place that's better in your mind.) [04:30]
punkman I don't know why fat people would buy that car, they didn't look comfortable at all. [04:30]
* BingoBoingo hates Walmart's move to supercenter's last decade because it cemented scooty puff culture as a mainstream thing [04:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152726 << no, actually, this is factual. "small russians". [04:31]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:21:16; decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious [04:31]
mircea_popescu Landgull romania is culturally close to things that no longer exist, not have existed for a long time. romanian is the closest thing to spoken latin still left around. [04:32]
mircea_popescu i'll take ukrainian girls and usian machinery as it used to be and bid both let me be. [04:33]
Landgull Sure, but given that we're still in meatspace, one does have to pick a corner of it, or at least a corner at any given time. [04:33]
mircea_popescu aha [04:35]
mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban [04:36]
Landgull I think the rise of the nation state has caused people to think that there are supposed to be hard lines between ethnicities and cultures. [04:38]
mircea_popescu or vice-versa. [04:38]
Landgull If a state of affairs is highly profitable for a minority at the expense of a majority, and is maintained via force, I tend to think it's not entirely self-organizing. [04:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152740 << fun fact : the hutu massacre has its origins in the fact that belgian missionaries selectively raped gracile, lighter skinned girls for a century [04:39]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:27:03; asciilifeform: rather than the anglo-created zoos they are [04:39]
mircea_popescu which created, actually did create, an ethnic subset, with its own fenotypical and cultural particularities [04:40]
mircea_popescu which got... reclaimed. [04:40]
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mircea_popescu Landgull as you age you'll notice that organizing anything is too much effort for most minorities, and in general what they do is try to ride waves, like flies plowing. [04:40]
mircea_popescu a minority that actually organises its ascendancy over any majority is the supreme good. [04:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152767 << he just does :D [04:43]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:32:11; mats: why would you think that [04:43]
Landgull So I take it you're a fan of the Assad government, then? Or the House of Saud? [04:43]
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mircea_popescu me ? nope. [04:47]
Landgull Both minority groups that organized their way to power by becoming useful as puppets to larger entities (RU and USA, respectively.) Arguably better than the mob that is trying to seize power, but then, that mob is mostly backed by the respective large entities anyway. [04:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152762 << this recipe, if taken voluntarily and out of a love of freedom, leads to pashtunistan. a great place to make actual friends, a horrible place to live. or get laid. [04:48]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:31:22; Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing. [04:48]
mircea_popescu if taken up centrally directedly, it's north korea. [04:48]
mircea_popescu Landgull where you got the idea that the saudites came to power serving the us ? [04:48]
Landgull It's how they've solidified and maintained it. [04:48]
mircea_popescu ... [04:49]
mircea_popescu next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan [04:49]
Landgull So, what is Saudi oil priced in nowadays? [04:50]
mircea_popescu historically, saudi kingdom was well established and independent back when wolves ate more people on the us east coast than people killed wolves. politically, the us has ~alkways~ been the bitch in the us-saudi relationship. [04:50]
BingoBoingo next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan << Eric Holder's ATF did... [04:50]
mircea_popescu you figure if al pacino makes a movie for new line cinema, nlc is doing HIM a favour by this ? [04:50]
Landgull That only solidifies the argument that the House of Saud is a minority that came to power by will rather than by riding a wave. [04:51]
mircea_popescu i don't see it. [04:51]
mircea_popescu just, much larger waves in this world than the us. [04:52]
mircea_popescu the golden crescent has its own centrifugal dynamics, what. [04:52]
BingoBoingo Hell in Arabi Wahabism is bgger than USia as ISIL demonstrates [04:52]
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mircea_popescu http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ << the 2nd historical chick brigade... [04:54]
Landgull If one recognizes the value of some asset, such as oil, and uses it to its fullest benefit to gain power, I'd find it hard to successfully argue that it's not a group coming to power by organizing its ascendency. [04:55]
mircea_popescu except this situation only exists in sid meyer's "civilisation" [04:56]
BingoBoingo And exists best in the sequel [04:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152784 << welcome to the 101th state lol. [04:57]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:35:14; mats: fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments. [04:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152794 << ok, now you're being plain mean. if there's a broad group of women that are upright in that sense, it'd be the ukrs. [04:59]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:37:26; asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0 [04:59]
Landgull But what I mean is this: your argument is a non-form because the goal posts can always be shifted. If they have a strategic advantage of any sort, it can be claimed as a wave. Some strategic advantage will always exist. So the only way a minority can organize against a majority without "just riding a wave" is if they ignore all of their strategic advantages - which would make your supreme good exceedingly foolish. It's like say [04:59]
BingoBoingo Dude's resigning https://bitbet.us/bet/1154/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-out-of-office-in/ [05:01]
mircea_popescu Landgull there's no hard and fast requirement that what happens is perceptible. this in the general. there's also no requirement that what is perceptible is perceptible to you (ie, any arbitrary agent). the expectation that you personally would understand what happened in x or y complex political situation is, to me, highly comedic. [05:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that was fast. [05:01]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, he press conferenced it. [05:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152809 << you're married, aren't ya ? what guarantees. [05:02]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:42:05; decimation: Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees [05:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152819 << ahahaha i nearly fell over. [05:03]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 05:47:08; Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started. [05:03]
mircea_popescu go, build business. [05:03]
mircea_popescu ah such lolg. [05:03]
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Landgull Even if the cause is imperceptible, without some skill of maintenance everything crumbles in time. Which book is a best seller today is likely random and inscrutable, no book would be read 1,000 years after being written without skill. [05:05]
mircea_popescu except very good books are lost and very bad books still read. [05:06]
Landgull Sure, but if we were to be forced to place a bet on what would be read 1,000 years from now, my bet would go towards the good. [05:06]
mircea_popescu whose good ? [05:06]
BingoBoingo brb, naps [05:07]
Landgull Yours. [05:07]
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mircea_popescu forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions. [05:08]
mircea_popescu so now... nobody would have disagreed at the time that his madonna whore complex is "wholesome" - their exact words. [05:08]
mircea_popescu i struggle to find any value in any of his productions, and you certainly don't even know what they are. [05:09]
mircea_popescu it's been... 70 years. [05:09]
mircea_popescu meanwhile le chien andalou still stands, or to quote herr orwell... "Clearly, such people are undesirable, and a society in which they can flourish has something wrong with it." [05:10]
Landgull Since you're right that I don't know who he is, I can't respond to that argument. [05:10]
Landgull I do hate Lincoln more than any other US president, though. [05:11]
Landgull Thank you for the debate - I concede the point and I'm off to run errands. I am, however, still waiting for someone to claim and argue for their corner of meatspace, instead of against mine (of the moment.) [05:13]
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ascii_field http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/288C257808D1EDC5CC8AEDE447AF8D1DB224D1C23F309C2A7E06D46F7E6B087F [14:38]
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mircea_popescu another 29 huh. [14:39]
mircea_popescu you really should poison the P with first 10k primes or something. [14:39]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: thought about doing that [14:39]
ascii_field not hard [14:40]
mircea_popescu indeed. [14:40]
ascii_field it'll be in the next update. [14:40]
mircea_popescu kinda what my "universal keys" idea was trying to do, for "well chosen" so to speak small primes. [14:40]
mircea_popescu but really there's no excuse not to have the small ones in. [14:40]
ascii_field also interesting would be last 10,000 primes. [14:40]
ascii_field (within 2^2048 bound, say) [14:40]
mircea_popescu which incidentally is not THAT hard to compute [14:40]
ascii_field aha [14:41]
mircea_popescu ascii_field listen, can you add a json for the stats which outputs url of newest found pore ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu then we can get will dunne to add it to scoopbot. [14:41]
ascii_field hm good idea [14:41]
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* ascii_field will have to actually look up how this works [14:42]
ascii_field this is literally the only working www gizmo i ever wrote [14:42]
trinque heh! lucky you [14:42]
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mircea_popescu trinque i read his stuff for curiosity, i was so wtf'd. "this doesn't look like www code..." [14:43]
trinque better if he doesn't absorb the braindamage [14:43]
ascii_field it was written in great haste, and a little crufty, yes [14:43]
ascii_field could easily be half as long [14:43]
trinque I'm busy crafting a shit-spelunking suit out of parenscript for future web endeavors [14:44]
mircea_popescu my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here" [14:44]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: what else have you been reading, for contrast? winblows src ? [14:45]
trinque mircea_popescu: yes, most web code looks like a venezuelan shanty town, parts scrounged from all over, haphazardly bolted or taped in [14:45]
mircea_popescu ascii_field ^ [14:46]
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trinque I'm convinced 99% of the industry does not actually know how to code [14:47]
BingoBoingo And that is the beter web code [14:47]
trinque just knows how to stack overflow and pip install [14:47]
mircea_popescu "it works" "can you explain why or how ?" "above my pay grade, i just paste stuff and hit f9" [14:47]
ascii_field ah, those. [14:47]
* ascii_field has very limited direct exposure to those [14:47]
ben_vulpes ˘source of what? [14:47]
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mircea_popescu we complain about the meagre attempts at natural language shanonizing , but what of the poor computers ? [14:47]
ben_vulpes oh le scoop? [14:47]
mircea_popescu hm ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153108 << atm what they're offering is "software updates" that "speed it up" by... not doing it anymore. [14:50]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 15:04:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally) [14:50]
mircea_popescu very usglike. [14:50]
mircea_popescu "increase your verification speed tenfold by only checking one block in ten!!1 how to make money renting out the space inside your nose!" etc [14:50]
ascii_field ahahaha headers-only sync [14:51]
ascii_field for some reason i inescapably think of those chinese thumb drives with terabytes of space (how? just loops around a 128M thing) [14:52]
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mircea_popescu the "after block x only sync because gavin has said magics about block x" is NOT much better. [14:52]
mircea_popescu it's just a rougher implementation of the "verify 1 in x" concept. [14:53]
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mircea_popescu and i will note that the 28 seconds figure is merely an average - plenty of blocks actually do take minutes to check. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, a maximal 1MB block should be designed and tested against on a variety of systems just to see. [14:54]
mircea_popescu but i suspect that common hardware takes well over two minutes to verify a 1mb block full of txn, which is to say 1500 or so of them. [14:55]
ascii_field one more reason to bake the thing into hardware [14:56]
mircea_popescu (if you do the math, 100 ms for a full bitcoin sig check thing is about where it is) [14:56]
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ascii_field btw, sig-checking parallelizes [14:57]
mircea_popescu ascii_field baking the thing into the hardware is exactly equal to import usg.h [14:57]
ascii_field (not in the idiot bitcoind, no. but mathematically) [14:57]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field yes, but this is the most delicate part of the chicken's spleen. [14:57]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ecdsa in particular ? [14:57]
mircea_popescu just, doing it without fucking anything up. [14:58]
* ascii_field doesn't grasp why mircea_popescu thinks this to be hard [14:58]
mircea_popescu worst case scenario here being where you get it 99.9999% right, and then everyone thinks you got it, [14:58]
mircea_popescu and then two yerars later 0.00001% happens and the chain is split. [14:58]
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ascii_field as if we had anything like certainty that the chain is not splittable -now- [14:59]
ascii_field between 0.5.3 and 0.8+ say [14:59]
mircea_popescu we have five year's live testing :D [14:59]
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ben_vulpes i don't think further splits are avoidable [15:00]
mircea_popescu eh, 0.8+ is the kindergarten. if it splits the total loss is ~= two fatties and a stray dog. [15:00]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the idea is to try and avoid splits in the actual codebase. [15:01]
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ben_vulpes (unrelated: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid) [15:02]
ben_vulpes (communisticism!) [15:03]
ben_vulpes i too miss titlebot [15:03]
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ben_vulpes it provided a nice indexing of links [15:03]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [15:03]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: where did it go? somehow i missed this [15:04]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla and williamdunne had a slapfight over titles [15:04]
ben_vulpes kako turned them off [15:04]
ascii_field why?! [15:05]
mircea_popescu "This isn't an accident: I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted. (I also make sure all my remotely offensive or challenging opinions, such as this article, are expressed either anonymously or pseudonymously)." [15:05]
ben_vulpes ask him, not me. [15:05]
punkman iirc title proxy server died [15:05]
mircea_popescu lol ok. /me fails to manage to care, or summon any respect or interest, for the opinions of poltrons. [15:05]
ben_vulpes "All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males." [15:06]
mircea_popescu yeh titlebot! [15:06]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes in particular i find this schmuck objectionable, and quite worthy of everything coming to him, because much like the thief who's not one bit sorry he stole, and terribly terribly sorry he got caught, [15:08]
mircea_popescu his objection entirely reduces to "hey libertards, wasn't it great back when we were opressing the conservatives, you know, those rednecks *rolleyes* [15:08]
mircea_popescu instead of now when we're fucking each other in the ass ???" [15:08]
mircea_popescu o yeah, totally worthy of intellectual sympathy this, trotksy raped by stalin's gonna get all my walmart cards. [15:08]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [15:10]
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mircea_popescu they didn't seem to care all that much about "discussion and analysis" or "due process" or "scientific method" back when those were pointing and laughing at their idiocy, from global warming to fad cures to the whole heap of dumb they live in. but now, suddenly... they wish to be saved by the icons of some sort of wisdom that they never had anything to do with, not anymore than the pigeons shitting on statues are part [15:10]
mircea_popescu of marbled antiquity at any rate. [15:10]
mircea_popescu the fate of the us libertard is ~exactly~ what it was going to be, except fifty years ago they laughed at "o that could never happen" with all the imberbity of idiocy, and today they're all "nobody could have foreseen" [15:11]
mircea_popescu i hope he gets fucking burned at the stake, for his guild - the greatest guilt that there can be - choosing to be a cog in the wrong machine. [15:12]
mircea_popescu hitler at least was wrong. this guy - he's the pinnacle of evil, unredeemable and unworthy of redemption. [15:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153117 << that is a particularly inapt characterisation of the fellow. [15:23]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 15:08:54; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ? [15:23]
mircea_popescu he was a congress poland jew, fully imbued of the entire "messiah will come if we garden the shit out of this world" stuff that resulted in the gassings [15:24]
ascii_field 'tikkun olam' (TM) ? [15:24]
mircea_popescu (yes dear chitlins, there is deep philosophical disagreement behind the entire jew massacre - it's not the conveniently packaged "acts of an unhinged mind". german idealism and jewish materialism clashed, and the jews lost.) [15:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the grandfather of that. [15:25]
ascii_field afaik that's what they actually called the doctrine [15:25]
mircea_popescu at any rate, the guy's notions of HOW EXACTLY one'd go about fixing the world are what's at issue. much like a large swath of reform retards - in both judaic sects, xtianity and mainstream - he was the mechanicist persuasion. [15:25]
ascii_field 'repair the world' [15:26]
mircea_popescu which is to say - do not swear, spit or ejaculate insite , go to heaven. [15:26]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you have to understand : the phrase as such is mostly used as a certain jew-libertard term of art. [15:27]
mircea_popescu it existed, with a slightly different intension, in medieval kabbalism [15:27]
ascii_field iirc it goes back to 16th c. [15:27]
* ascii_field not expert [15:28]
mircea_popescu but the concept that informs herr meir is one node up from the medievalist thing as noted [15:28]
mircea_popescu which is why i said "grandfather" [15:28]
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mircea_popescu in any case, hollywood pre meyer is https://cinenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joan-blondell.jpg and the molls. post-meyer it's "angels with dirty faces" and "You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" and then everybody loves raymond and... "to our current period of time" [15:34]
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trinque hm I'm starting to consider an in-wot paid IRC host [15:38]
trinque for those without bouncers [15:38]
mircea_popescu can't hurt. [15:39]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153127 << what could possibru go wrong. [15:40]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 15:27:41; ben_vulpes: they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal. [15:40]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153149 < lol you had a banking relationship ? [15:42]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 16:08:14; liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship [15:42]
mircea_popescu you being the bank, i presume ? as they... aren't ? [15:42]
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mike_c my fking computer just died.. couple pops and started belching big smelly clouds of smoke. [15:43]
liquidassets I suppose in my own mind..? [15:43]
mircea_popescu ftr, i didn't follow the logic of that entire conversation. [15:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c what srsly ? [15:43]
mike_c yeah, never had that happen before. [15:43]
mircea_popescu 80% it's the power supply [15:43]
mike_c i guess the power supply went bad.. [15:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, air that shit out. it's toxic. [15:44]
mike_c no visible damage to anything, so can't imagine it was a hard drive, and it was a lot of smoke [15:44]
mike_c really? great. [15:44]
mircea_popescu o shit, the old days when drives actually had mechanical failures of the mechanical sort. [15:44]
mircea_popescu like busted wheels. with dented casings and whatnot [15:44]
mircea_popescu if anyone wonders why the 20mb maxtors were encased in fucking steel armor... well... [15:44]
liquidassets If I buy my bitcoin from coinbase then it follows that they'll allow me to sell to them and deposit dollars into my bank account [15:44]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153368 < false, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143760 [15:45]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 18:00:41; ben_vulpes: kako turned them off [15:45]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 18:06:39; kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers [15:45]
mircea_popescu oh is this because when i had to move server ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu wouldja rather dig into fixing it or just have scoopbot do it kakobrekla ? [15:45]
kakobrekla moved server, broke log1, made log2 work then it went broken with varnish [15:46]
kakobrekla fix log1 and titles will work [15:47]
mircea_popescu hm. [15:47]
mircea_popescu how's the "Broken with varnish" thing go, i didn't actually keep that thing [15:47]
thestringpuller liquidassets: if you buy from coinbase you end up on like 5-6 different watch lists [15:48]
thestringpuller and if you sell to coinbase the local LE shows up at your door [15:48]
liquidassets I anticipated that, we all are as Americans [15:48]
mircea_popescu "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" ahahaha that's rich. incidentally - it's how england became a dutch colony, they "deemed the king to have abdicated by fleeing" [15:49]
kakobrekla well, "Apr 28 16:33:36 yes varnishing brb" [15:49]
liquidassets that's fine, watch me, is my response [15:49]
kakobrekla that was while i was working on log1 and thats the last i heard from you. [15:49]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh i'm sorry. service was briefly interrupted because the fucking beast kept needing apache restarted. but i'm done fucking with it. [15:49]
mircea_popescu was done that same day, apparently failed to properly announce ? [15:50]
liquidassets Everything is sourced I'm not the one ML [15:50]
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liquidassets mircea_popescu question directed at me? [15:51]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:51]
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kakobrekla ill look into in a tad later. [15:53]
liquidassets thestringpuller I don't want to care about it anymore, I just want to document [15:53]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153190 << poor guys. [15:55]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 16:32:37; jurov: looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D [15:55]
mircea_popescu like the soviets in the 80s, turks sold them all sorts of banal shit at 130-150% because ... [15:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153200 << how exactly is the us "a country" ? is this from the obama "country of africa" doctrine ? [15:56]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 16:44:03; liquidassets: what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around? [15:56]
liquidassets I don't follow, is that a slight because his ancestry is closer to africa than yours, or are you arguing that he wasn't born in the United States? [15:57]
mircea_popescu i am saying that one should have to be about as clueless as obama to imagine the us a country. how is it a country ? [15:58]
mircea_popescu it's about as much a country as the soviet union would have been, if it were run by quisling. [15:58]
liquidassets I don't know, it FEELS like a country to me, has boarders, armies, laws etc.. [15:59]
mircea_popescu aha. so maybe it's really a cock [15:59]
mircea_popescu it FEELS like a cock to plenty of people. [15:59]
liquidassets yea but who's cock? [15:59]
mircea_popescu africa's, apparently. [15:59]
liquidassets LOL [15:59]
liquidassets doubtful [16:00]
liquidassets so there are scales of countries? mircea_popescu [16:00]
mircea_popescu if you're gonna call something a country, you'd best have a definition of what that means. apparently your definition's all feeling, in which case... what's to say. [16:02]
mircea_popescu you can feel anything you feel like. [16:02]
liquidassets So please mircea_popescu define it for me [16:03]
liquidassets I mean it's where I was born, there's politics and rules which seem to change or evolve over time [16:03]
mircea_popescu you mean, United States the Maternity Hospital, as in country ? [16:04]
liquidassets there's the constitution and bill of rights, we have the dominate world reserve money supply [16:04]
chetty liquidassets, or lately its more like overnight [16:04]
mircea_popescu qhahaha what! [16:04]
mircea_popescu so wait, "we" do ? are you sure the people holding the money are aware you're including yourself ? got a license for it ? [16:05]
liquidassets We have our constitution interpreted by supreme court laws.. [16:05]
mircea_popescu and moreover, bitcoin's the dominant word word money word, whatever you mean by those. [16:05]
liquidassets When I use the word "we" I mean, I cannot remove myself as a US Citizen [16:05]
liquidassets fuck yea mircea_popescu I'm with you on that [16:06]
mircea_popescu my clothes have a bank account. inasmuch as they can't get off me and i have a bank account :D [16:06]
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liquidassets mircea_popescu yea which is why my next "moves" are to be determined [16:07]
chetty you can stop admitting it liquidassets , I claim everything but when I can :) [16:08]
liquidassets mircea_popescu are you saying that you need a license to hold money? [16:08]
mircea_popescu i am saying that while some people in the us have some money, your association with them seems tenuous. it's always a good idea to ask THEM if they feel "we" towards you. obviously you feel "we" towards them. [16:09]
mircea_popescu what exactly has yellen done to make you think it's a "we" ? [16:09]
liquidassets mircea_popescu I am TAXED [16:10]
mircea_popescu so is the sheep. [16:10]
mircea_popescu "we the sheep herd" ? [16:10]
trinque "wait, there's a hierarchy in the USA? surely not!" [16:10]
* trinque admits that this struck him far later in life than it ought [16:11]
mircea_popescu trinque kinda hard to see past all the schoolyard verbiage and the "requests for public comment" and whatnot. [16:12]
mircea_popescu or, to quote mayer again, "Listen to me! I don't care what you do in private. Just don't do it in public. In public, behave. Your fans expect it." [16:12]
liquidassets Definitely a hierarchy in the US but until I get to lizard hitler I will be unsatisfied [16:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153237 << win. [16:14]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 17:15:38; chetty: fyi, 3 people online at eulora :) [16:14]
mircea_popescu liquidassets who are ye anyway ? [16:14]
liquidassets an individual on the internet [16:15]
liquidassets salesman by trade [16:15]
liquidassets I deal propertay [16:16]
mircea_popescu mmmkay... [16:16]
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liquidassets you don't seem satisfied...I don't know mircea_popescu I don't know what I am,,ok? [16:18]
mircea_popescu ok. [16:19]
mircea_popescu i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are. [16:19]
mircea_popescu they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison. [16:19]
liquidassets I guess I can be a lot of things, who I am is kind of a mystery,, at least to me [16:20]
mircea_popescu right. [16:20]
liquidassets ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent, powerful. [16:20]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [16:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153291 << actually... this is an idea... [16:23]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 17:30:48; shinohai: So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts [16:23]
mircea_popescu i'm gonna send one to my mother! [16:23]
mircea_popescu who had made the things ? [16:23]
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shinohai I want one. The world needs a good cult to fight r/bitcoin, and you *do* look interesting on a shirt. [16:24]
mircea_popescu shinohai there's also http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ [16:25]
shinohai The cute bonus is very nice. [16:27]
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nubbins` thanks, i generally don't take photos w/ it tucked anymore [16:30]
nubbins` but figured i'd make an exception [16:31]
mircea_popescu lawl [16:33]
liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153509 < [16:33]
assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:48; mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison. [16:33]
mircea_popescu somethinglikethat. [16:33]
liquidassets Ha ha ok,, sweet [16:34]
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-assbot- You voiced shout-user91 for 30 minutes. [16:36]
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lobbes ..and you *do* look interesting on a shirt. << move over, che guevara [16:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20182 @ 0.00032844 = 6.6286 BTC [-] [16:45]
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liquidassets before I take off for the day, can anyone share how you authenticate, so as to produce a rating? [16:46]
lobbes !h [16:47]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [16:47]
lobbes if you have upped yourself, then you are already 'authed' enough to leave a rating [16:49]
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liquidassets ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com, Consistent. [16:50]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [16:50]
lobbes still must decrypt OTP from assbot for the rating however [16:50]
liquidassets lobbes didn't return a otp [16:51]
lobbes also, try '!' [16:51]
lobbes not ";;" [16:51]
liquidassets !rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent. [16:51]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6db4cdcd5e0bc8f7 [16:51]
trinque liquidassets: ;; is gribble, ! is assbot [16:52]
liquidassets assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881 [16:52]
trinque liquidassets: stick a !v in front [16:53]
liquidassets !v assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881 [16:53]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent. [16:53]
liquidassets ty [16:53]
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liquidassets Have a great day #b-a see y'all next time [16:56]
trinque adios [16:56]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:43]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0 [17:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:43]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu not in magic-98 pattern [17:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:44]
thestringpuller no eulora for ascii_field [17:44]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu or at least one of the mods - wasn't [17:44]
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gribble The operation succeeded. [17:44]
ascii_field thestringpuller: believe or not, i do not actually own a machine which could run it. [17:44]
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ben_vulpes apt-cache madison ??? what the hell. [17:59]
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thestringpuller my disbelief is more in you playing video games in general [18:09]
thestringpuller ascii_field: derives pleasure from reading circuit schematics [18:10]
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ascii_field thestringpuller: i set up a strict msdos box not long ago, mainly for games [18:10]
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mike_c http://bitcoin-assets.com/ [18:52]
assbot #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AL2pnU ) [18:52]
mike_c nice! [18:52]
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mircea_popescu 64424509455 eh [19:10]
mircea_popescu 4294967297 * 3 * 5 [19:10]
mircea_popescu i think this is 5's first time. [19:11]
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mircea_popescu yay thanks kakobrekla [19:12]
kakobrekla welcome [19:12]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRm3ezx4BLg [19:33]
assbot Jack Warner Bloopers 1954 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iiux4o ) [19:33]
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mircea_popescu !up Avenged2 [20:22]
-assbot- You voiced Avenged2 for 30 minutes. [20:22]
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mircea_popescu !up williamdunne [20:22]
-assbot- You voiced williamdunne for 30 minutes. [20:22]
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Avenged2 Whats up people how you chilling? [20:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00031645 = 3.6234 BTC [-] [20:22]
nubbins` terminally [20:23]
Avenged2 Whats up people how you chilling? [20:23]
nubbins` terminally [20:23]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpgtpvBLU1qfvizao1_500.jpg something like that. [20:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dNd731 ) [20:23]
Avenged2 meowmix081 in the house [20:26]
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ben_vulpes meowmix808andheartbreaks [20:29]
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BingoBoingo !up STRML [20:38]
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asciilifeform srsly wtf 11111!111!!!!! [20:50]
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jurov https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eulora/1439975486317739 likelike :D [21:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M66Bix ) [21:05]
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kakobrekla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1YXPBWJ.txt [22:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cytlf2 ) [22:04]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [22:04]
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mircea_popescu jurov ahaha nice [22:22]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhzbobfoW1qfpdc0o1_500.gif [22:24]
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