Forum logs for 03 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11928 @ 0.00033312 = 3.9735 BTC [+] {2}	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc	[00:01]
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decimation	heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary	[00:01]
decimation	but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs'	[00:01]
decimation	asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs	[00:02]
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decimation	!up kalki	[00:02]
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asciilifeform	decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head'	[00:03]
kalki	thx decimation	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151997 << not managed to mine anything yet ?	[00:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything.	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok	[00:05]
decimation	asciilifeform: aye, precisely. but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably	[00:05]
asciilifeform	actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk	[00:06]
asciilifeform	or to mircea_popescu's www	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular"	[00:06]
decimation	http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron'	[00:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets	[00:08]
assbot	Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale?	[00:08]
decimation	qntra seems to have original content generally	[00:09]
decimation	although at times can be a bit rambling	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes	[00:09]
decimation	why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	apache may be the worst codebase ever written	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html <	[00:11]
asciilifeform	http://www.amazon.com/Borland-Turbo-C/dp/B000I5KFIE << l0l	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	"Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted."	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	"The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	it's not made out of all new material?"	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!"	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	fuck your mother with a clay pot.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	"Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95."	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	they live in microshitland	[00:13]
asciilifeform	where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii)	[00:13]
decimation	you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit'	[00:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-]	[00:14]
asciilifeform	to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate.	[00:14]
decimation	and also, they generally profit at the end of the day	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible.	[00:14]
decimation	it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	me.	[00:14]
asciilifeform	folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die'	[00:14]
asciilifeform	and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession.	[00:14]
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decimation	http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up.	[00:16]
decimation	(Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary).	[00:16]
gabriel_laddel	ty BingoBoingo	[00:16]
BingoBoingo	btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel how's the os business.	[00:17]
decimation	yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle'	[00:17]
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decimation	shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering	[00:18]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along	[00:18]
gabriel_laddel	re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output.	[00:23]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance.	[00:24]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications.	[00:25]
gabriel_laddel	mod6: I have a working funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo	[00:25]
gabriel_laddel	it has been tested twice, is solid	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	where ?	[00:25]
mod6	feel free to send it my way.	[00:25]
gabriel_laddel	!s system.html	[00:26]
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mod6	i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet.	[00:26]
gabriel_laddel	Section #2, Installing	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	" This is a time consuming PITA. "	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	i feel encouraged.	[00:27]
gabriel_laddel	it'll eat an entire day	[00:27]
gabriel_laddel	hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/Funtoo_Linux_Installation.htm aha.	[00:28]
gabriel_laddel	but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	"If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker.	[00:28]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day	[00:29]
mod6	thanks, just took a look. im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly. i think i have a good /etc/fstab. and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk. this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI.	[00:29]
decimation	possibly because it tries to download timestamped files?	[00:29]
decimation	on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first	[00:29]
gabriel_laddel	why would it need to download timestamped files?	[00:30]
mod6	but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)"	[00:30]
mod6	well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway.	[00:30]
mod6	i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook.	[00:31]
decimation	I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again	[00:31]
gabriel_laddel	mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab	[00:31]
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mod6	gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale. i'll be checking it out more tomorrow.	[00:32]
decimation	mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all	[00:32]
mod6	if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	decimation it's due to the cert business.	[00:33]
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decimation	ah makes sense	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	nu-uh, gotta pki the shit.	[00:33]
decimation	heh, well gpg has the same issue	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	all-the-wrong-things (tm)	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[00:33]
decimation	I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys	[00:33]
decimation	keys can expire	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho	[00:34]
decimation	key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea	[00:34]
decimation	no it does not	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	heh i guess so	[00:34]
decimation	but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert	[00:35]
decimation	and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so"	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things"	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	"nobody can say we're not hard at work over here"	[00:37]
decimation	well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security	[00:37]
decimation	and poor quality hardware implementations	[00:37]
decimation	lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those	[00:38]
gabriel_laddel	mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else	[00:38]
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gabriel_laddel	also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use	[00:38]
decimation	I thought funtoo used rhel kernels	[00:38]
gabriel_laddel	decimation: debian	[00:39]
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gabriel_laddel	by default anyhow	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.	[00:39]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests	[00:39]
trinque	heh	[00:39]
gabriel_laddel	alrighty	[00:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00032569 = 1.6122 BTC [-] {2}	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus	[00:43]
trinque	BingoBoingo: have a destination yet?	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	80 pushups ?!	[00:45]
mod6	gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	can you do any chinups yet ?	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati	[00:45]
trinque	cool	[00:45]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier.	[00:46]
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BingoBoingo	!up gabriel_laddel	[00:46]
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BingoBoingo	brb, seeing if I can do chin ups	[00:46]
Landgull	Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off	[00:46]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "	[00:46]
asciilifeform	('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1'	[00:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple	[00:47]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is...	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder.	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	And no, not chin-up in shape yet	[00:48]
Landgull	If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	But as that changes situation will get moar desperate	[00:50]
asciilifeform	perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ?	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated.	[00:50]
trinque	my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich	[00:51]
Landgull	Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ?	[00:51]
asciilifeform	i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants	[00:52]
Landgull	They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	(but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat)	[00:53]
asciilifeform	!s republikflucht	[00:53]
assbot	10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht	[00:53]
trinque	only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and in time	[00:54]
trinque	that and coffee wake me up in the morning	[00:54]
asciilifeform	trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel	[00:54]
trinque	nobody ever once started a business and made any money	[00:55]
asciilifeform	business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some	[00:55]
asciilifeform	but rounds to 0.	[00:55]
Landgull	Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English.	[00:55]
trinque	Landgull: *mandarin :P	[00:55]
asciilifeform	Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english	[00:55]
trinque	I have a buddy learning that now	[00:55]
asciilifeform	esp. after u.s. is done	[00:56]
Landgull	Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community.	[00:56]
gabriel_laddel	asciilifeform: korea	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea.	[00:58]
gabriel_laddel	ummm	[00:58]
Landgull	Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.	[00:59]
Landgull	CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out.	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit.	[01:02]
Landgull	Fair enough. I haven't been to Georgia yet, I'm hoping to visit sometime in the next few months.	[01:03]
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asciilifeform	Landgull: when nato dies its long-overdue death, cometh the bulldozer	[01:25]
Landgull	Sure. But there are still plenty of parts of the world where the food supply comes from within 100 miles of the city.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?	[01:28]
decimation	new zealand comes to mind	[01:29]
decimation	it's full of socialist derps but pretty self-sufficient	[01:30]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: Come to scenic southern illinois!	[01:30]
Landgull	Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap	[01:30]
asciilifeform	than work as 'coder'	[01:30]
decimation	Landgull: I think ascii's goal is to sleep ad libitum	[01:30]
Landgull	I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50	[01:30]
decimation	can also catch a 7.62 round	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. << Alf is in a more dangerous position. He is an excellent flenser and polisher. Intellectually uninteresting work will shave decades off of his life.	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 << Welcome to my back yard	[01:31]
Landgull	Well, if you're smart enough to know how to allocate memory in C, you can find a way to earn $500 a month anywhere in the world.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	Landgull: in a way that doesn't make you save up for a pistol to blow brains with?	[01:32]
decimation	let us know when Putin the Great asks for german colonists to come back to odessa	[01:32]
asciilifeform	if i were smart enough for this, would not be living in usa now.	[01:32]
Landgull	Well, what do you do in the USA now? And Putin has no interest in Lviv.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	Landgull: i must refer you to the logs. it is difficult to describe	[01:33]
Landgull	Fair enough. All I know is that I'd plow fields to avoid going back to the US.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	Landgull: presently i work on automation of reverse-engineering on x86. prior to that, as a reverse engineer. prior to that, high-performance computing for biotech, as sole programmer in entire outfit	[01:34]
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Landgull	So, if you sold those skills freelance, for $100 an hour, you could work for 10 hours a month and live very comfortably in most parts of the world.	[01:35]
Landgull	Most non-anglophone parts.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	!s meatwot	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	Landgull: ^ must refer you to logs.	[01:36]
trinque	!s variety speak	[01:36]
decimation	Landgull: I desire to work 0 hours per month for someone else	[01:36]
assbot	48 results for 'variety speak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=variety+speak	[01:36]
decimation	neigh impossible in fiat world	[01:37]
Landgull	Decimation: As do I. But that's much easier to achieve when your expenses are $500, not $5,000.	[01:37]
decimation	sure, dollar pollution is high in the us, but that's where I'm stuck. like ascii, my wot is here	[01:38]
asciilifeform	Landgull: one thing to be aware of is that logic analyzer still costs 500 in lvov. and electron microscope still costs 500000, just like in new york.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	(plus a few tonnes' shipping)	[01:39]
decimation	^ that too	[01:39]
decimation	electronics has been completely 'globalized'	[01:39]
Landgull	Fair points as well. And I'm not suggesting Lviv as a specific destination, I'm here meeting the girlfriend's family - though it's really quite a nice city.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	no just pointing out the limitations of 'move, shave some zeroes from your expenses'	[01:40]
asciilifeform	it works for, e.g., rent	[01:40]
decimation	and food to some extent	[01:40]
asciilifeform	not so much for actually -fucking living- life	[01:40]
decimation	that requires - actual city	[01:40]
Landgull	I guess it depends on what pieces of life you consider living. I'm not arguing that it's easier to get out of the US, if it were easier it would be done.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	it requires functioning industrial economy	[01:41]
decimation	ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k	[01:41]
asciilifeform	decimation: and eat roots, berries ?	[01:41]
decimation	heh yeah exactly	[01:41]
Landgull	You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	decimation: not to mention that tax is still payable in usd	[01:41]
asciilifeform	and not roots, berries.	[01:41]
decimation	indeed. then your only choice is to live under a stump like that one guy	[01:42]
asciilifeform	Landgull: until the city is liberated and they shoot everyone who ever held u.s. passport	[01:42]
asciilifeform	(rest assured there is a list)	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	decimation> ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k << Not really, Chicoms are buying Iowa like it is going out of style.	[01:42]
Landgull	Ascii: No-one really hates Americans, unless you're the socks with sandals type.	[01:42]
asciilifeform	Landgull: guess again.	[01:42]
decimation	Landgull: read many books?	[01:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid	[01:43]
decimation	!article 58	[01:43]
decimation	!s article 58	[01:43]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the only reason you and i even can afford food is that he doesn't need all of it	[01:43]
Landgull	...I'm telling you from having been to a number of places and talked to a number of people, I've yet to meet anyone who hates American people.	[01:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Indeed. We are limited to the border swamps	[01:44]
Landgull	Plenty hate the American government.	[01:44]
decimation	Landgull: the point is that when they want to throw you in the gulag, nicities like 'we liked americans' mean jack shit	[01:44]
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Landgull	...except the only gulags that still exist are in the USA.	[01:45]
decimation	heh	[01:45]
Landgull	And North Korea.	[01:45]
Landgull	But I'm not advocating trying to migrate to North Korea.	[01:45]
decimation	russia and china have thier own versions	[01:45]
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Landgull	Most governments don't have the kind of resources to do US style insanity.	[01:46]
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Landgull	And most people in the world don't have the culture of violence that the US does.	[01:48]
asciilifeform	Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?	[01:49]
Landgull	Well, the Ukrainians have thrown more molotovs at their government than anyone else recently.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	a healthy tradition of violence is quite possibly the only thing u.s. has left going for it.	[01:49]
Landgull	And probably will again soon.	[01:49]
decimation	lol ukrainians have done was usg wills	[01:50]
decimation	!s nuland	[01:50]
assbot	14 results for 'nuland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nuland	[01:50]
Landgull	I know all about Nuland.	[01:50]
Landgull	And the US corruption of the Maidan.	[01:50]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I bought one of those termteks, gonna see if it works	[01:53]
decimation	I want a remote console for my server	[01:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: consider posting a pic of the insides	[01:53]
decimation	sure no problem	[01:53]
Landgull	But seriously, it takes 10 minutes of talking to actual Ukrainians walking around here to see that they haven't bought USgov propaganda properly. As much as the information net wants you to believe it's the same everywhere, it isn't.	[01:54]
decimation	they don't have to buy it for some army or other to show up to 'liberate' them	[01:54]
asciilifeform	Landgull: there's a couplea million folks a few 100 km east of you who will have your head on a pike if you stick around.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	don't imagine they won't.	[01:55]
decimation	or encourage you to do your patriotic duty	[01:55]
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Landgull	Ascii: 1) I can buy a plane ticket somewhere else if a real invasion happened. 2) If the Russians came into the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, they'd be fighting a massive guerrilla war...they're succeeding in Donetsk and Luhansk because the people there are Russians and have a Russian identity.	[01:56]
decimation	the red army was famous for putting machine gunners behind the troops, for encouragement	[01:56]
asciilifeform	Landgull: ask the older locals how the guerilla war worked out for them '45-'60	[01:56]
decimation	or how it worked out for the anti-asad syrians	[01:57]
decimation	or how it worked out for the anti-chinese vietnamese	[01:57]
asciilifeform	and this notion that one can buy plane ticket during invasion...	[01:57]
*	asciilifeform won't even comment on this	[01:58]
asciilifeform	!s diamond train	[01:58]
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Landgull	I'd mention that I'm out here doing what you claim to want to do.	[01:58]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#/media/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg	[01:58]
asciilifeform	Landgull: then you have a catastrophic misconception of what i would like to do.	[01:58]
Landgull	You don't want to get out of the US?	[01:58]
asciilifeform	i want out of u.s. on -my- terms	[01:59]
asciilifeform	and when i say 'out', i mean 'out'	[01:59]
asciilifeform	and not living in a u.s. colony	[01:59]
asciilifeform	which 100% of cis, and esp. west ua, is	[01:59]
asciilifeform	just as new zealand is	[01:59]
asciilifeform	or poland	[01:59]
decimation	indeed, such a place probably does not exist	[02:00]
Landgull	Before I came here, I would have said the same thing.	[02:00]
trinque	it's going to have to be an underground-undersea base	[02:00]
Landgull	And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	trinque: they exist but generally you gotta be ethnic	[02:00]
decimation	trinque: undersea is laughably insecure	[02:00]
asciilifeform	trinque: e.g., cn	[02:00]
Landgull	That's the thing that's virtually impossible to understand while you're still in the US.	[02:00]
trinque	decimation: note the hyphen, not a slash	[02:00]
trinque	underground and undersea!	[02:00]
decimation	heh	[02:01]
decimation	you livin in a volcano?	[02:01]
trinque	cover's blown	[02:01]
decimation	Landgull: the thing is, if you make trouble and usg wants you, the derpy local government will please their masters	[02:01]
Landgull	Sure, they will. What kind of trouble are you looking to make?	[02:02]
decimation	replace fiat with bitcoin?	[02:02]
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Landgull	Do you have enough money for them to notice you exist?	[02:02]
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decimation	if bitcoin becomes close to replacing any major fiat, it will be 'enough money' for everyone to notice	[02:03]
asciilifeform	Landgull: e.g., weev, had no money.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	neither did the 'ufo hacker' kid in uk	[02:03]
asciilifeform	nor, afaik, mr assange	[02:03]
asciilifeform	money is not needed to be gassed	[02:03]
Landgull	If bitcoin starts replacing fiat, the USgov isn't going to have the resources to come after you.	[02:04]
decimation	and to monetize bitcoin is to destroy the entire usd financial 'system'	[02:04]
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Landgull	As for the rest: How many of them lived in non-anglophone countries?	[02:04]
decimation	which is why they will pinch you as soon as they can	[02:04]
trinque	Landgull: I'd expect some tumultuous years before that's complete	[02:05]
Landgull	Sure. But I'd expect your chances are better in a country where the government is essentially non-existent than they are somewhere that they know where you are and can knock on your door.	[02:05]
asciilifeform	they are making the slow but inevitable transition from fraud to robbery	[02:05]
decimation	^ which is when it will be useful to live in a 'culture of violence'	[02:06]
asciilifeform	Landgull: other thing is, if you rely on electronic banks in any way whatsoever, they'll simply zero your accounts	[02:06]
asciilifeform	and send you a complimentary plane ticket back to gulag	[02:06]
Landgull	Ascii: cash, and meatWOT, and btc are all keys to avoiding that.	[02:07]
asciilifeform	Landgull: if you have enough of these to last your entire natural life, we're happy for you	[02:07]
Landgull	My girlfriend is from here. Her family likes me. If it were THAT dire, I'd go run away to their village and help them grow food.	[02:07]
decimation	how many people in that village will know about the foreigner?	[02:08]
asciilifeform	y'know, for all the things said about american prison, at least no one is compelled to be involved in the growing of food there.	[02:08]
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decimation	aye, most of the 'resources' he complains about are spent feeding prisoners	[02:08]
Landgull	If you're going to declare yourself an enemy of the USgov and be a real threat to them, they'll find you, sure.	[02:09]
decimation	or RUgov	[02:09]
Landgull	Or any major government.	[02:09]
decimation	or maybe they will round up the 'dissidents' to be shot to encourage the masses	[02:09]
Landgull	If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US.	[02:09]
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BingoBoingo	If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US. << I have yet to seem flashbangs tyvm. I just has a single FBI agent and single treasury agent sweating on my front lawn like the hambeasts they were.	[02:10]
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Landgull	Ascii: There is no actual food available in the US unless you grow it yourself. Seriously. I didn't think it was that bad until I ate real food. As for the flashbangs: people get no-knocked all the time. You're the ones saying they're going to send death-squads to Ukraine after me, but you're not worried about them doing the same to you from in their backyard?	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: I am terribly worried of that.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	Landgull: the queue must be long, i'm still waiting to be gassed, give'em some time	[02:12]
decimation	generally no-knocks are done of folks who give the cops some reason to think they will be a threat	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	But I am terribly resigned to being low on the cue	[02:12]
asciilifeform	'prison is like the grave, room can be found for everyone' (ru proverb)	[02:13]
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Landgull	If they want you, they'll find you wherever you go. But it takes a lot more wanting to deal with finding you somewhere else than it does to find you when you're wrapped up with a bow for them.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	Landgull: interestingly, it is much cheaper to have you picked up in an 'orcish' land than in, e.g., new york	[02:14]
asciilifeform	because the dirty work can be done with local hands, and bureaucratic niceties are 100% optional	[02:14]
Landgull	Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.	[02:14]
decimation	no lawyers, etc	[02:15]
asciilifeform	Landgull: ^ and this doesn't affect your life?!	[02:15]
decimation	no other parts of usg to fiddle	[02:15]
Landgull	Well, I'm not trying to be here on a permanent visa.	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. << Kinda why Phillipines is on my exit candidate list. Massively orchish and USG proving proving ground for cultural failures.	[02:15]
Landgull	And I'm not suggesting Lviv as the destination of the century - like I said, I'm here to meet the girlfriend's family.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	Landgull: besides, they did organize very well to shell a few million ru folks in east ua day and night. that will be paid for eventually.	[02:15]
Landgull	Yeah, but most of those soldiers are extremely hostile to the UAgov at this point. It's more likely to be paid for by the UAarmy than the RUarmy.	[02:16]
asciilifeform	Landgull: they're bringing in u.s. mercenaries. will be many good lulz.	[02:16]
Landgull	I've heard the Phillipines are good. I've never been there.	[02:17]
BingoBoingo	http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???	[02:17]
decimation	I was unaware that generals took the opinion of their troops into account	[02:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: artifexd	[02:17]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell artifexd http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx	[02:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:18]
Landgull	If the troops have more guns than they have generals...	[02:18]
decimation	then mutineers are shot?	[02:18]
Landgull	These people have been fighting for actual independence, from everyone, for over 100 years. They've fought poles, they've fought germans, they've fought russians.	[02:18]
Landgull	Unlike the USgov with a nebulous idea of "we want to spread democracy guyz" they actually know what they're fighting for.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	Landgull: fighting to be zimbabwe, yes	[02:19]
asciilifeform	Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum	[02:20]
asciilifeform	as we have it - zimbabwe.	[02:20]
Landgull	Ascii: Most of the "economic development" in the world is fed by debt-bubbles.	[02:20]
decimation	I was under the impression that they wanted to recreate the waffen ss	[02:20]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha, with pitchforks (what'll be left after nato packs up)	[02:20]
decimation	http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/	[02:21]
Landgull	As for the nazi issue: Yes, Bandera and UPA are considered cultural heroes here, and yes they co-operated with the germans, because they thought it was their best chance for an independent Ukraine.	[02:21]
decimation	of course, as moldbug said, actual nazis would ahve been horrified by these guys	[02:22]
Landgull	Most of the things you're saying are what I thought before I actually got on an airplane and came here.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	Landgull: i happen to have been born there.	[02:22]
Landgull	In Lviv?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	600km east	[02:23]
asciilifeform	odessa	[02:23]
Landgull	Are you Russian or Ukrainian?	[02:24]
asciilifeform	ru	[02:24]
decimation	wait, I thought ukrainian was kind of a rural-hick version of russian (as a language)	[02:24]
asciilifeform	when the ukrs came, changed the street signs, and forced their chimp dialect to be taught in schools, my folks packed up for usa.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	decimation: it is	[02:25]
asciilifeform	decimation: phun phact: 'u kraina' ~= 'on the hinterlands'	[02:25]
decimation	the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: May I suggest lever action rifle as a solution to your problems. Since pistol caliber casting rounds with coinsilver is surprisingly reasonable	[02:25]
Landgull	...except I can look at people and tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. And again: I'm not saying Ukraine is the mecca to run to, I'm saying that getting out of the US to somewhere that is saner, (and yes, UA is saner than the US) is worth the effort.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	Landgull: west ua is ethnically own things, yes. largely pl and hu folks	[02:26]
decimation	russia itself isn't exactly homogenous	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[02:28]
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Landgull	Ascii: holodomor and resettling of russians during the USSR definitely effected the country in a big way, demographically, such that "historically Ukrainian" lands aren't really Ukrainian anymore.	[02:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: when most foreigners think of ru, they picture something roughly like the duchy of moscovy circa 1300s	[02:28]
*	BingoBoingo pictures Sean Connery's home in Hunt for the Red October	[02:29]
asciilifeform	*1500	[02:29]
Landgull	But the Ukrainians are an actual race and culture - yes they're similar to the Poles, the Hungarians, and the Russians, but whether or not they're a biological race or just a cultural and linguistic one, they've a strong sense of national identity and a strong desire for national self-determination.	[02:30]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah but what about all the turkic and mongoliod autonomous regions	[02:30]
asciilifeform	next Landgull will have us consider the pakistanis or taiwanese 'an ancient and own race and culture'	[02:30]
Landgull	I also think that Crimea and eastern UA shouldn't probably be part of the same country as western and central UA.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	rather than the anglo-created zoos they are	[02:31]
decimation	Urdu having sprung from the wisdom of the british line-drawers	[02:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.0003292 = 6.0244 BTC [-]	[02:31]
asciilifeform	and i'd like to learn of the ancient and proud race of south korea.	[02:31]
Landgull	Except the people here have been fighting to be their own country since before the US became an empire.	[02:31]
decimation	Landgull: what about Zabaykalsky Krai	[02:32]
asciilifeform	Landgull: mainly fighting poles, and turks, yes	[02:32]
Landgull	Decimation: It's not something I know enough about to make any comment on.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	and to avoid rape & pillage, rather than 'to be own country', which is really a 19th c. psychiatric disease	[02:32]
asciilifeform	and in its most acute manifestations, far more recent than that	[02:33]
decimation	my point is that there are plenty of autonomous oblasts inside ru which have similiar 'ethnic and liguistic' claims	[02:33]
decimation	hell, so do the apache in arizona	[02:33]
Landgull	And if they want independence, why shouldn't they have it?	[02:33]
asciilifeform	decimation: i will add that usg works tirelessly to help -them- as well 'wake up' to their 'ancient and proud cultural identity and thirst for independence'	[02:33]
decimation	because they suck, and cannot achieve it	[02:33]
Landgull	So, you're opposed to US imperialism, but simultaneously think that people shouldn't have a right to self-determination?	[02:34]
asciilifeform	Landgull: any flea-bitten village can become an independent country. all it needs to do is learn to manufacture ballistic rockets and nukes by the thousands.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	and submarines to sail them on.	[02:34]
decimation	woah, I never said I was opposed to us imperialism	[02:34]
decimation	I'm opposed to the lack of liberty in the us	[02:34]
asciilifeform	anything short of this, is just switching the selection of imperial rapist	[02:34]
asciilifeform	Landgull: 'right to self-determination' comes from these gadgets and nowhere else.	[02:35]
Landgull	Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.	[02:35]
mats	fun fact: some large radio telescopes were built for earth to moon to earth surveillance of su radars	[02:35]
asciilifeform	Landgull: only if you're goatfuckistan	[02:35]
asciilifeform	with no infrastructure	[02:35]
asciilifeform	mats: i thought this was well-known	[02:35]
mats	why would you think that	[02:36]
decimation	what is your kalash going to do against a T-72?	[02:36]
Landgull	You don't go running headfirst towards tanks unless you're an idiot.	[02:36]
decimation	or an entire village pointing the finger at the foreign wrecker	[02:36]
asciilifeform	decimation: notice how usg is in kandahar but not in moscow	[02:36]
mats	fun fact: there are ascii art animals in the windows source	[02:36]
asciilifeform	it is not enough for the defensive weapon to make attack unprofitable, or even suicidal. it must be -unthinkable-	[02:37]
asciilifeform	as in - 'new york is glass'	[02:37]
decimation	yeah, cn and ru are more-or-less independent	[02:37]
Landgull	...for the last time, I'm not saying "Hey guys, you should move to Ukraine." or that I'm moving to Ukraine for that matter - I prefer South America on the whole. I'm saying that if you want personal liberty, and to not live in an insane culture, you can actually leave and be better off.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	Landgull: i was merely arguing that you have not actually left usa	[02:38]
decimation	and I'm saying that you have lept from the frying pan into the fire	[02:38]
asciilifeform	just living in the 76th state or the like.	[02:38]
decimation	you are part of the greater-usaia that has no pretense of rights	[02:38]
asciilifeform	yes, flat in lvov costs about what it does in iowa.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	but why is this exciting	[02:39]
decimation	^ if ascii wanted to live in a mut hut, he could do in the us for the same price	[02:39]
mats	fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	cheaper	[02:39]
asciilifeform	no need for airplane.	[02:39]
decimation	could even carry kalash	[02:39]
asciilifeform	mats: untrusted ~= without admin ?	[02:39]
mats	yeah	[02:39]
asciilifeform	mats: considering the ease of bypassing uac on all known winblows, sorta academic	[02:40]
decimation	mats: probably depends on how retarded your hardware is	[02:40]
asciilifeform	mats: or the abundance of buggy legit-signed drivers to dynamically load and exploit	[02:40]
Landgull	Ascii: I won't disagree with you (decimation, you're wrong.) that most of the world is currently under the USgov thumb, to some degree. But you are still better off in an outlying part of it, where the control is less potent, and has much less influence on your daily life (like, in terms of being able to buy food that doesn't make you sick, and being able to date girls who aren't insane) than you are sitting in their back yard	[02:40]
asciilifeform	Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0	[02:41]
asciilifeform	and re: their sanity once you renounce your u.s. passport formally	[02:41]
decimation	heh yeah	[02:41]
Landgull	Ascii: met the girl in Canada, she pays for half of everything, and she's not interested in ever going back to the west, because it's too insane.	[02:42]
*	asciilifeform cannot comment on the specifics of Landgull's case here, but the overall prognosis of americans who go abroad 'for the gurlz' is dire	[02:42]
Landgull	Decimation: You're imagining that governments in the rest of the world work like the US government. I.E. the laws on the books matter. They can pass a law saying just about anything they want, but they don't have the means to enforce it and they have a population that is used to just ignoring government stupidity instead of bending over.	[02:43]
Landgull	The babusya/babushkas here have more power than Poroshenko does.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	Landgull: this cuts both ways. if locals start charging you $1000/mo for the great privilege of your flat not being torched, the officials -also- will not care.	[02:43]
Landgull	Sure. And it's why you do need to actually integrate. I.E. learn the language, get to know people, etc.	[02:44]
asciilifeform	if Landgull did this - congrats to him	[02:44]
Landgull	Same thing with the women. If you go to Ukraine, find English speaking girls, and flash your passport and cash around, you're going to have a bad day.	[02:44]
Landgull	~40-50 hryvnyas. So $2-3	[02:45]
Landgull	Ascii: I'm working, slowly, on my Ukrainian. My Spanish is much better.	[02:45]
decimation	Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees	[02:46]
Landgull	Decimation: I'm not running from, I'm running to.	[02:46]
Landgull	I used to be running from.	[02:46]
Landgull	I like learning languages, and I like buying my food in an open air market from the person who grew it.	[02:47]
Landgull	Haha. I also like cheap vodka and cops you can bribe away from petty crimes.	[02:49]
Landgull	XD	[02:50]
Landgull	I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.	[02:51]
Landgull	And if the western finance system does come crashing down, you're going to be better off in poor countries (granted that you can live like a local) because they're used to things like that happening. USistan will devolve into utter insanity.	[02:52]
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Landgull	Sure, it's not for everyone.	[03:00]
Landgull	Moving. The fact that people still pay for cable is proof that the second isn't for everyone.	[03:01]
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Landgull	It was more of a quip than a serious comment - but I know a number of people who spend their time yelling at the box because of what obama/the republicans/the gays/the church did today.	[03:03]
Landgull	Right now, Lviv, Ukraine.	[03:03]
Landgull	For the next 2.5 months.	[03:04]
Landgull	Cost of living, for the same standard of living, is ~5-10x lower here than in the US	[03:05]
Landgull	If you actually go shop at the market and take public transport, as opposed to walling yourself off in some hotel.	[03:06]
Landgull	The food is better than anything I've ever had before.	[03:06]
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Landgull	People from the villages around Lviv bring in what they grow and sell it to you. No mass-produced GMO rin tomatoes.	[03:07]
Landgull	The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.	[03:08]
Landgull	Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.	[03:09]
Landgull	Which sounds like a bad thing, but I'd like to know why it is that chicken rots much faster in Ukraine than in the US...	[03:10]
Landgull	If the bacteria won't eat it...	[03:10]
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Landgull	I'm not trying to claim that this is some kind of paradise, it's absolutely not, and you have to give up a lot of the "first world" comforts.	[03:12]
Landgull	Eh, violence here when it happens is much more the fist fight sort than the murder sort.	[03:12]
Landgull	Or the "I want your money" and then run away sort.	[03:13]
Landgull	It's definitely safer than the city I grew up in back in the US.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	back when it was comissioned coupla years ago it blazed through them at the rate of 7-10 seconds per.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	meaning that the average server your average internaut can't afford would barely keep up with the chain.	[03:17]
Landgull	So doesn't that mean the 20mb block will self-defeat?	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes << Welcome to my world	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	Landgull the 20mb block is a transparent attempt by the usg to take control back.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	it will self-defeat once the last policeman is buried in the coffin of the last politician.	[03:19]
Landgull	I don't think they can keep fighting physics and math forever.	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Apparently some upstate politician who called himself Illinois fats died this week.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	the masquerade where "people" ie, social media astroturf is misrepresented as being in favour of this atrocity...	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	"we joined bitcoin because we didn't like the banks so please take our bitcoin and put it in a bank"	[03:21]
Landgull	Sure, but at least you didn't die of rabies.	[03:23]
Landgull	That was sarcasm.	[03:24]
Landgull	Homo facebookus would have to be aware of its life to die.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[03:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152492 << o.O	[03:43]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 03:48:44; Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	what is this, crazy logic hour ?	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed	[03:44]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 03:51:56; asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	not before.	[03:44]
Landgull	It would, though. The US learned from the USSR: you're better off making people believe that you'll be murdered and raped and strangled if you go anywhere and leave the hotel. It keeps people in line much more effectively than a travel ban would.	[03:44]
Landgull	If a few dissidents flee, what of it? They were dissidents anyway.	[03:44]
Landgull	But if you try to ban leaving, they have to admit what they really are.	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152520 << this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152525 make for excellent reading. alf's developing the delivery skills of a character in a tenessee williams play.	[03:45]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:24:38; asciilifeform: Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?	[03:45]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:26:29; asciilifeform: Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	Landgull the future hears you and says "your cheap psycho-skullduggery holds no power here".	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152529 << for the local equivalent of checking someone else's privilege for them, yeah.	[03:47]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:27:15; decimation: can also catch a 7.62 round	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152567 << i wonder what should be happening in one's head who "owns" real estate in random country but employs no army there.	[03:51]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:37:45; Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	what's the idea, someone'll indemnify you, come hell or high water, because they deeply care ?	[03:52]
Landgull	I don't own real estate in Lviv and won't particularly recommend it as an investment. Though it's probably better than a US bank account, which I do have.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	if one's forced to pick prolly best pick a mix, but yeah	[03:53]
Landgull	I wouldn't be in a bitcoin channel if I thought that assets a government can take from you easily were a good idea. XD	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152594 << yes, actually, it is.	[03:55]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:44:55; asciilifeform: Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	the us would be infinitely better if instead of "raising awareness" the impotent twerps would be busy accepting rape into their lives.	[03:55]
Landgull	As for the rest: if you're in line at a slaughterhouse, your best move is always to try to get away, even if you risk being shot in the process. Uncertain success is better than certain failure, and life in the US has become so intolerable that I'd rather take my chances with an uncertain future than with a certain one.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	who're you again ?	[03:56]
Landgull	I'm a newb.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	that's a what.	[03:57]
Landgull	I'm just some guy who found this place a few weeks ago, read the logs for a while, and decided that I'd like to join the community here, if it'll have me.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	Landgull so what's flyotech ?	[03:58]
Landgull	Heh. Was a startup I was working on, using black soldier fly larvae to convert organic waste into biodiesel, fish feed, and fertilizer. Actually got it into Startup Chile, but my business partner refused to go to Chile and cost me the grant.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	married ?	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	the partner i mean	[04:00]
Landgull	Patents are in the process. And yeah, it was the girlfriend - not married yet, but she has his balls just the same.	[04:00]
Landgull	It's for the best, the more I've learned about the "start up community" the more they make me want to gouge out my own eyes.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	beware of women affraid to travel and fuck strangers. they make horrible wives.	[04:01]
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Landgull	I'd say if you're dating a girl who would allow you to not go to something like that, you're dating the wrong woman.	[04:02]
Landgull	Either way, a couple other people have caught onto similar ideas and have gotten pretty far ahead of me by now, but I put in a patent app a while back and with any luck I'll be able to license those out when I get done with it.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152634 << nuttiest thing i ever heard. so go into the secret service headquarters, kick the boss out of his office and play quake on his desktop for an evening.	[04:04]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 04:56:21; Landgull: And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.	[04:04]
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Landgull	Meh - fair point, but I mean they have very limited ability to screw with people who are just trying to live their lives.	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	apparently, it's because they have very limited ability to screw with stuff.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	but on tyhe other hand, make the bricks out of solid gold and see.	[04:06]
Landgull	Sure, if the Ukrainians had anything to steal, the government would rapidly begin to steal it. But right now it's more profitable for them to steal from the USG.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	you see where this is going ?	[04:07]
Landgull	Sure. And my response is that I expect to dry my laundry on a clothesline until fiat is dead.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	i once knew a guy who deigned to pick up the phone half the time when desperate hot women were calling to beg him to let them come over for a spell.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	obviously, this doesn't work for everybody.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	but mayhap it'll work for your clothesline	[04:09]
Landgull	But I still prefer people who steal from you because they're just stealing from you and they want your stuff to people who steal for you and ask you to say it's for your own good.	[04:09]
Landgull	The Ukie lot only try to steal your stuff, they don't bother trying to rape your mind.	[04:09]
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Landgull	steal from you, rather*	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	arguably they do the same thing, with the means their limited intellect allows them to try and employ. or to quote :	[04:11]
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BingoBoingo	you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. << And this is the warning flag Ferguson is a special failure. Theives steal the bricks.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	"Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals. Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting. A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances."	[04:13]
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Landgull	Sure, but having grown up in the US, the buttons that were implanted in me can still be pushed by their propaganda.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152686 << in this he has a point. the thirld world derps are comically incompetent to a degree perhaps best typified by that kidnapped columbian general in charge of supressing farc last year.	[04:16]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:10:49; Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	the bar to effectual interdiction can be as low as a dozen armed trained hands.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	so yes it is much cheaper, in the sense that if you're cheap it's cheaper and if not it can't be done.	[04:17]
Landgull	There's not really anywhere safe to go with assets, including btc, though it beats most of the alternatives.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	much like the flea market works. cheapest half-and-half to be had in the lands, but you won't get any pornstar poon there.	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	From what I've read Sinaloa's fortunes have taken a turn for the worse since their USG connections at the top were revealed	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo interesting how that works huh.	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Truly.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152697 << wut was that ?	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	Meanwhile Los Zetas and the other non-USG cartel have their Eric Holder weapons somewhere...	[04:20]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:13:08; BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Freenode banned #fatpeoplehate	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	heh	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	Imagine that though. An actual social justice cause organized on Freenode and B&	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	why don't they go to 8chan instead.	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Their core is still on Reddit	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Their IRC is a sideshow	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	they also sound pretty retarded.	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	Happens with any broadly inclusive cause	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	overeager young males with significant socialisation deficit.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	But on reddit they are nearly as popular as Bitcoin to within 2%	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	lol mkay	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	and bottlecaps are more popular than sex.	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	"Thin privilege is uploading a picture of yourself that takes under 1 minute to render"	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You have to understand since you left 'Murica it has only gotten heavier	[04:27]
chetty	thin privilege? thats a parody I hope ...	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	chetty your hopes are misplaced!	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	chetty: We can wish, but reality...	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	Orcs are always going to bitch about Elf priviledge	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152707 << check out alf hating on teh ukrs.	[04:28]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:16:13; asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum	[04:28]
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Landgull	Mircea: out of curiosity, wouldn't Romania be culturally closer to Ukraine than to the USA? I'm curious which of the two you would prefer to live in (or, for that matter, if there's a place that's better in your mind.)	[04:30]
punkman	I don't know why fat people would buy that car, they didn't look comfortable at all.	[04:30]
*	BingoBoingo hates Walmart's move to supercenter's last decade because it cemented scooty puff culture as a mainstream thing	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152726 << no, actually, this is factual. "small russians".	[04:31]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:21:16; decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	Landgull romania is culturally close to things that no longer exist, not have existed for a long time. romanian is the closest thing to spoken latin still left around.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	i'll take ukrainian girls and usian machinery as it used to be and bid both let me be.	[04:33]
Landgull	Sure, but given that we're still in meatspace, one does have to pick a corner of it, or at least a corner at any given time.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	aha	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban	[04:36]
Landgull	I think the rise of the nation state has caused people to think that there are supposed to be hard lines between ethnicities and cultures.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	or vice-versa.	[04:38]
Landgull	If a state of affairs is highly profitable for a minority at the expense of a majority, and is maintained via force, I tend to think it's not entirely self-organizing.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152740 << fun fact : the hutu massacre has its origins in the fact that belgian missionaries selectively raped gracile, lighter skinned girls for a century	[04:39]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:27:03; asciilifeform: rather than the anglo-created zoos they are	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	which created, actually did create, an ethnic subset, with its own fenotypical and cultural particularities	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	which got... reclaimed.	[04:40]
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mircea_popescu	Landgull as you age you'll notice that organizing anything is too much effort for most minorities, and in general what they do is try to ride waves, like flies plowing.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	a minority that actually organises its ascendancy over any majority is the supreme good.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152767 << he just does :D	[04:43]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:32:11; mats: why would you think that	[04:43]
Landgull	So I take it you're a fan of the Assad government, then? Or the House of Saud?	[04:43]
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mircea_popescu	me ? nope.	[04:47]
Landgull	Both minority groups that organized their way to power by becoming useful as puppets to larger entities (RU and USA, respectively.) Arguably better than the mob that is trying to seize power, but then, that mob is mostly backed by the respective large entities anyway.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152762 << this recipe, if taken voluntarily and out of a love of freedom, leads to pashtunistan. a great place to make actual friends, a horrible place to live. or get laid.	[04:48]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:31:22; Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	if taken up centrally directedly, it's north korea.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	Landgull where you got the idea that the saudites came to power serving the us ?	[04:48]
Landgull	It's how they've solidified and maintained it.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	...	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan	[04:49]
Landgull	So, what is Saudi oil priced in nowadays?	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	historically, saudi kingdom was well established and independent back when wolves ate more people on the us east coast than people killed wolves. politically, the us has ~alkways~ been the bitch in the us-saudi relationship.	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan << Eric Holder's ATF did...	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	you figure if al pacino makes a movie for new line cinema, nlc is doing HIM a favour by this ?	[04:50]
Landgull	That only solidifies the argument that the House of Saud is a minority that came to power by will rather than by riding a wave.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	just, much larger waves in this world than the us.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	the golden crescent has its own centrifugal dynamics, what.	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	Hell in Arabi Wahabism is bgger than USia as ISIL demonstrates	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ << the 2nd historical chick brigade...	[04:54]
Landgull	If one recognizes the value of some asset, such as oil, and uses it to its fullest benefit to gain power, I'd find it hard to successfully argue that it's not a group coming to power by organizing its ascendency.	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	except this situation only exists in sid meyer's "civilisation"	[04:56]
BingoBoingo	And exists best in the sequel	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152784 << welcome to the 101th state lol.	[04:57]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:35:14; mats: fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152794 << ok, now you're being plain mean. if there's a broad group of women that are upright in that sense, it'd be the ukrs.	[04:59]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:37:26; asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0	[04:59]
Landgull	But what I mean is this: your argument is a non-form because the goal posts can always be shifted. If they have a strategic advantage of any sort, it can be claimed as a wave. Some strategic advantage will always exist. So the only way a minority can organize against a majority without "just riding a wave" is if they ignore all of their strategic advantages - which would make your supreme good exceedingly foolish. It's like say	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	Dude's resigning https://bitbet.us/bet/1154/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-out-of-office-in/	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	Landgull there's no hard and fast requirement that what happens is perceptible. this in the general. there's also no requirement that what is perceptible is perceptible to you (ie, any arbitrary agent). the expectation that you personally would understand what happened in x or y complex political situation is, to me, highly comedic.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that was fast.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, he press conferenced it.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152809 << you're married, aren't ya ? what guarantees.	[05:02]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:42:05; decimation: Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152819 << ahahaha i nearly fell over.	[05:03]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 05:47:08; Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	go, build business.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	ah such lolg.	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[05:04]
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Landgull	Even if the cause is imperceptible, without some skill of maintenance everything crumbles in time. Which book is a best seller today is likely random and inscrutable, no book would be read 1,000 years after being written without skill.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	except very good books are lost and very bad books still read.	[05:06]
Landgull	Sure, but if we were to be forced to place a bet on what would be read 1,000 years from now, my bet would go towards the good.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	whose good ?	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	brb, naps	[05:07]
Landgull	Yours.	[05:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00033483 = 13.7783 BTC [-] {4}	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	so now... nobody would have disagreed at the time that his madonna whore complex is "wholesome" - their exact words.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	i struggle to find any value in any of his productions, and you certainly don't even know what they are.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	it's been... 70 years.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile le chien andalou still stands, or to quote herr orwell... "Clearly, such people are undesirable, and a society in which they can flourish has something wrong with it."	[05:10]
Landgull	Since you're right that I don't know who he is, I can't respond to that argument.	[05:10]
Landgull	I do hate Lincoln more than any other US president, though.	[05:11]
Landgull	Thank you for the debate - I concede the point and I'm off to run errands. I am, however, still waiting for someone to claim and argue for their corner of meatspace, instead of against mine (of the moment.)	[05:13]
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ascii_field	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/288C257808D1EDC5CC8AEDE447AF8D1DB224D1C23F309C2A7E06D46F7E6B087F	[14:38]
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mircea_popescu	another 29 huh.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	you really should poison the P with first 10k primes or something.	[14:39]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: thought about doing that	[14:39]
ascii_field	not hard	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[14:40]
ascii_field	it'll be in the next update.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	kinda what my "universal keys" idea was trying to do, for "well chosen" so to speak small primes.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	but really there's no excuse not to have the small ones in.	[14:40]
ascii_field	also interesting would be last 10,000 primes.	[14:40]
ascii_field	(within 2^2048 bound, say)	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	which incidentally is not THAT hard to compute	[14:40]
ascii_field	aha	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field listen, can you add a json for the stats which outputs url of newest found pore ?	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	then we can get will dunne to add it to scoopbot.	[14:41]
ascii_field	hm good idea	[14:41]
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*	ascii_field will have to actually look up how this works	[14:42]
ascii_field	this is literally the only working www gizmo i ever wrote	[14:42]
trinque	heh! lucky you	[14:42]
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mircea_popescu	trinque i read his stuff for curiosity, i was so wtf'd. "this doesn't look like www code..."	[14:43]
trinque	better if he doesn't absorb the braindamage	[14:43]
ascii_field	it was written in great haste, and a little crufty, yes	[14:43]
ascii_field	could easily be half as long	[14:43]
trinque	I'm busy crafting a shit-spelunking suit out of parenscript for future web endeavors	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here"	[14:44]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what else have you been reading, for contrast? winblows src ?	[14:45]
trinque	mircea_popescu: yes, most web code looks like a venezuelan shanty town, parts scrounged from all over, haphazardly bolted or taped in	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ^	[14:46]
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trinque	I'm convinced 99% of the industry does not actually know how to code	[14:47]
BingoBoingo	And that is the beter web code	[14:47]
trinque	just knows how to stack overflow and pip install	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	"it works" "can you explain why or how ?" "above my pay grade, i just paste stuff and hit f9"	[14:47]
ascii_field	ah, those.	[14:47]
*	ascii_field has very limited direct exposure to those	[14:47]
ben_vulpes	˘source of what?	[14:47]
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mircea_popescu	we complain about the meagre attempts at natural language shanonizing , but what of the poor computers ?	[14:47]
ben_vulpes	oh le scoop?	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153108 << atm what they're offering is "software updates" that "speed it up" by... not doing it anymore.	[14:50]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 15:04:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	very usglike.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	"increase your verification speed tenfold by only checking one block in ten!!1 how to make money renting out the space inside your nose!" etc	[14:50]
ascii_field	ahahaha headers-only sync	[14:51]
ascii_field	for some reason i inescapably think of those chinese thumb drives with terabytes of space (how? just loops around a 128M thing)	[14:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00035049 = 9.6385 BTC [-]	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	the "after block x only sync because gavin has said magics about block x" is NOT much better.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	it's just a rougher implementation of the "verify 1 in x" concept.	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	and i will note that the 28 seconds figure is merely an average - plenty of blocks actually do take minutes to check.	[14:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3963 @ 0.00035106 = 1.3913 BTC [+]	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, a maximal 1MB block should be designed and tested against on a variety of systems just to see.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	but i suspect that common hardware takes well over two minutes to verify a 1mb block full of txn, which is to say 1500 or so of them.	[14:55]
ascii_field	one more reason to bake the thing into hardware	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	(if you do the math, 100 ms for a full bitcoin sig check thing is about where it is)	[14:56]
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ascii_field	btw, sig-checking parallelizes	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field baking the thing into the hardware is exactly equal to import usg.h	[14:57]
ascii_field	(not in the idiot bitcoind, no. but mathematically)	[14:57]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field yes, but this is the most delicate part of the chicken's spleen.	[14:57]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: ecdsa in particular ?	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	just, doing it without fucking anything up.	[14:58]
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mircea_popescu	worst case scenario here being where you get it 99.9999% right, and then everyone thinks you got it,	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	and then two yerars later 0.00001% happens and the chain is split.	[14:58]
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ascii_field	as if we had anything like certainty that the chain is not splittable -now-	[14:59]
ascii_field	between 0.5.3 and 0.8+ say	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	we have five year's live testing :D	[14:59]
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ben_vulpes	i don't think further splits are avoidable	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	eh, 0.8+ is the kindergarten. if it splits the total loss is ~= two fatties and a stray dog.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes the idea is to try and avoid splits in the actual codebase.	[15:01]
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ben_vulpes	(unrelated: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid)	[15:02]
ben_vulpes	(communisticism!)	[15:03]
ben_vulpes	i too miss titlebot	[15:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00035337 = 5.2299 BTC [+]	[15:03]
ben_vulpes	it provided a nice indexing of links	[15:03]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:03]
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ascii_field	ben_vulpes: where did it go? somehow i missed this	[15:04]
ben_vulpes	kakobrekla and williamdunne had a slapfight over titles	[15:04]
ben_vulpes	kako turned them off	[15:04]
ascii_field	why?!	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	"This isn't an accident: I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted. (I also make sure all my remotely offensive or challenging opinions, such as this article, are expressed either anonymously or pseudonymously)."	[15:05]
ben_vulpes	ask him, not me.	[15:05]
punkman	iirc title proxy server died	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	lol ok. /me fails to manage to care, or summon any respect or interest, for the opinions of poltrons.	[15:05]
ben_vulpes	"All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males."	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	yeh titlebot!	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes in particular i find this schmuck objectionable, and quite worthy of everything coming to him, because much like the thief who's not one bit sorry he stole, and terribly terribly sorry he got caught,	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	his objection entirely reduces to "hey libertards, wasn't it great back when we were opressing the conservatives, you know, those rednecks rolleyes	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	instead of now when we're fucking each other in the ass ???"	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, totally worthy of intellectual sympathy this, trotksy raped by stalin's gonna get all my walmart cards.	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[15:10]
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mircea_popescu	they didn't seem to care all that much about "discussion and analysis" or "due process" or "scientific method" back when those were pointing and laughing at their idiocy, from global warming to fad cures to the whole heap of dumb they live in. but now, suddenly... they wish to be saved by the icons of some sort of wisdom that they never had anything to do with, not anymore than the pigeons shitting on statues are part	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	of marbled antiquity at any rate.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	the fate of the us libertard is ~exactly~ what it was going to be, except fifty years ago they laughed at "o that could never happen" with all the imberbity of idiocy, and today they're all "nobody could have foreseen"	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	i hope he gets fucking burned at the stake, for his guild - the greatest guilt that there can be - choosing to be a cog in the wrong machine.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	hitler at least was wrong. this guy - he's the pinnacle of evil, unredeemable and unworthy of redemption.	[15:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153117 << that is a particularly inapt characterisation of the fellow.	[15:23]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 15:08:54; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	he was a congress poland jew, fully imbued of the entire "messiah will come if we garden the shit out of this world" stuff that resulted in the gassings	[15:24]
ascii_field	'tikkun olam' (TM) ?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	(yes dear chitlins, there is deep philosophical disagreement behind the entire jew massacre - it's not the conveniently packaged "acts of an unhinged mind". german idealism and jewish materialism clashed, and the jews lost.)	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the grandfather of that.	[15:25]
ascii_field	afaik that's what they actually called the doctrine	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	at any rate, the guy's notions of HOW EXACTLY one'd go about fixing the world are what's at issue. much like a large swath of reform retards - in both judaic sects, xtianity and mainstream - he was the mechanicist persuasion.	[15:25]
ascii_field	'repair the world'	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	which is to say - do not swear, spit or ejaculate insite , go to heaven.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field you have to understand : the phrase as such is mostly used as a certain jew-libertard term of art.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	it existed, with a slightly different intension, in medieval kabbalism	[15:27]
ascii_field	iirc it goes back to 16th c.	[15:27]
*	ascii_field not expert	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	but the concept that informs herr meir is one node up from the medievalist thing as noted	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	which is why i said "grandfather"	[15:28]
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mircea_popescu	in any case, hollywood pre meyer is https://cinenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joan-blondell.jpg and the molls. post-meyer it's "angels with dirty faces" and "You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" and then everybody loves raymond and... "to our current period of time"	[15:34]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[15:36]
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trinque	hm I'm starting to consider an in-wot paid IRC host	[15:38]
trinque	for those without bouncers	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	can't hurt.	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153127 << what could possibru go wrong.	[15:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153149 < lol you had a banking relationship ?	[15:42]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 16:08:14; liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	you being the bank, i presume ? as they... aren't ?	[15:42]
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mike_c	my fking computer just died.. couple pops and started belching big smelly clouds of smoke.	[15:43]
liquidassets	I suppose in my own mind..?	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	ftr, i didn't follow the logic of that entire conversation.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what srsly ?	[15:43]
mike_c	yeah, never had that happen before.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	80% it's the power supply	[15:43]
mike_c	i guess the power supply went bad..	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, air that shit out. it's toxic.	[15:44]
mike_c	no visible damage to anything, so can't imagine it was a hard drive, and it was a lot of smoke	[15:44]
mike_c	really? great.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	o shit, the old days when drives actually had mechanical failures of the mechanical sort.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	like busted wheels. with dented casings and whatnot	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	if anyone wonders why the 20mb maxtors were encased in fucking steel armor... well...	[15:44]
liquidassets	If I buy my bitcoin from coinbase then it follows that they'll allow me to sell to them and deposit dollars into my bank account	[15:44]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153368 < false, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143760	[15:45]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 18:00:41; ben_vulpes: kako turned them off	[15:45]
assbot	Logged on 22-05-2015 18:06:39; kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	oh is this because when i had to move server ?	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	wouldja rather dig into fixing it or just have scoopbot do it kakobrekla ?	[15:45]
kakobrekla	moved server, broke log1, made log2 work then it went broken with varnish	[15:46]
kakobrekla	fix log1 and titles will work	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	how's the "Broken with varnish" thing go, i didn't actually keep that thing	[15:47]
thestringpuller	liquidassets: if you buy from coinbase you end up on like 5-6 different watch lists	[15:48]
thestringpuller	and if you sell to coinbase the local LE shows up at your door	[15:48]
liquidassets	I anticipated that, we all are as Americans	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	"fugitive disentitlement doctrine" ahahaha that's rich. incidentally - it's how england became a dutch colony, they "deemed the king to have abdicated by fleeing"	[15:49]
kakobrekla	well, "Apr 28 16:33:36 yes varnishing brb"	[15:49]
liquidassets	that's fine, watch me, is my response	[15:49]
kakobrekla	that was while i was working on log1 and thats the last i heard from you.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla oh i'm sorry. service was briefly interrupted because the fucking beast kept needing apache restarted. but i'm done fucking with it.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	was done that same day, apparently failed to properly announce ?	[15:50]
liquidassets	Everything is sourced I'm not the one ML	[15:50]
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liquidassets	mircea_popescu question directed at me?	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[15:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68661 @ 0.00035203 = 24.1707 BTC [-] {6}	[15:51]
kakobrekla	ill look into in a tad later.	[15:53]
liquidassets	thestringpuller I don't want to care about it anymore, I just want to document	[15:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153190 << poor guys.	[15:55]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 16:32:37; jurov: looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	like the soviets in the 80s, turks sold them all sorts of banal shit at 130-150% because ...	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153200 << how exactly is the us "a country" ? is this from the obama "country of africa" doctrine ?	[15:56]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 16:44:03; liquidassets: what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around?	[15:56]
liquidassets	I don't follow, is that a slight because his ancestry is closer to africa than yours, or are you arguing that he wasn't born in the United States?	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	i am saying that one should have to be about as clueless as obama to imagine the us a country. how is it a country ?	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	it's about as much a country as the soviet union would have been, if it were run by quisling.	[15:58]
liquidassets	I don't know, it FEELS like a country to me, has boarders, armies, laws etc..	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	aha. so maybe it's really a cock	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	it FEELS like a cock to plenty of people.	[15:59]
liquidassets	yea but who's cock?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	africa's, apparently.	[15:59]
liquidassets	LOL	[15:59]
liquidassets	doubtful	[16:00]
liquidassets	so there are scales of countries? mircea_popescu	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	if you're gonna call something a country, you'd best have a definition of what that means. apparently your definition's all feeling, in which case... what's to say.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	you can feel anything you feel like.	[16:02]
liquidassets	So please mircea_popescu define it for me	[16:03]
liquidassets	I mean it's where I was born, there's politics and rules which seem to change or evolve over time	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	you mean, United States the Maternity Hospital, as in country ?	[16:04]
liquidassets	there's the constitution and bill of rights, we have the dominate world reserve money supply	[16:04]
chetty	liquidassets, or lately its more like overnight	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	qhahaha what!	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	so wait, "we" do ? are you sure the people holding the money are aware you're including yourself ? got a license for it ?	[16:05]
liquidassets	We have our constitution interpreted by supreme court laws..	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	and moreover, bitcoin's the dominant word word money word, whatever you mean by those.	[16:05]
liquidassets	When I use the word "we" I mean, I cannot remove myself as a US Citizen	[16:05]
liquidassets	fuck yea mircea_popescu I'm with you on that	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	my clothes have a bank account. inasmuch as they can't get off me and i have a bank account :D	[16:06]
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liquidassets	mircea_popescu yea which is why my next "moves" are to be determined	[16:07]
chetty	you can stop admitting it liquidassets , I claim everything but when I can :)	[16:08]
liquidassets	mircea_popescu are you saying that you need a license to hold money?	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i am saying that while some people in the us have some money, your association with them seems tenuous. it's always a good idea to ask THEM if they feel "we" towards you. obviously you feel "we" towards them.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	what exactly has yellen done to make you think it's a "we" ?	[16:09]
liquidassets	mircea_popescu I am TAXED	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	so is the sheep.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	"we the sheep herd" ?	[16:10]
trinque	"wait, there's a hierarchy in the USA? surely not!"	[16:10]
*	trinque admits that this struck him far later in life than it ought	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	trinque kinda hard to see past all the schoolyard verbiage and the "requests for public comment" and whatnot.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	or, to quote mayer again, "Listen to me! I don't care what you do in private. Just don't do it in public. In public, behave. Your fans expect it."	[16:12]
liquidassets	Definitely a hierarchy in the US but until I get to lizard hitler I will be unsatisfied	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153237 << win.	[16:14]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 17:15:38; chetty: fyi, 3 people online at eulora :)	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	liquidassets who are ye anyway ?	[16:14]
liquidassets	an individual on the internet	[16:15]
liquidassets	salesman by trade	[16:15]
liquidassets	I deal propertay	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	mmmkay...	[16:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00035063 = 25.3505 BTC [-] {2}	[16:17]
liquidassets	you don't seem satisfied...I don't know mircea_popescu I don't know what I am,,ok?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	ok.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.	[16:19]
liquidassets	I guess I can be a lot of things, who I am is kind of a mystery,, at least to me	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	right.	[16:20]
liquidassets	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent, powerful.	[16:20]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[16:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109168 @ 0.00033813 = 36.913 BTC [-] {5}	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153291 << actually... this is an idea...	[16:23]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 17:30:48; shinohai: So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	i'm gonna send one to my mother!	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	who had made the things ?	[16:23]
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shinohai	I want one. The world needs a good cult to fight r/bitcoin, and you do look interesting on a shirt.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	shinohai there's also http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/	[16:25]
shinohai	The cute bonus is very nice.	[16:27]
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nubbins`	thanks, i generally don't take photos w/ it tucked anymore	[16:30]
nubbins`	but figured i'd make an exception	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	lawl	[16:33]
liquidassets	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153509 <	[16:33]
assbot	Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:48; mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	somethinglikethat.	[16:33]
liquidassets	Ha ha ok,, sweet	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	!up shout-user91	[16:36]
-assbot-	You voiced shout-user91 for 30 minutes.	[16:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00032844 = 27.3755 BTC [-]	[16:37]
lobbes	..and you do look interesting on a shirt. << move over, che guevara	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20182 @ 0.00032844 = 6.6286 BTC [-]	[16:45]
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liquidassets	before I take off for the day, can anyone share how you authenticate, so as to produce a rating?	[16:46]
lobbes	!h	[16:47]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[16:47]
lobbes	if you have upped yourself, then you are already 'authed' enough to leave a rating	[16:49]
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liquidassets	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com, Consistent.	[16:50]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[16:50]
lobbes	still must decrypt OTP from assbot for the rating however	[16:50]
liquidassets	lobbes didn't return a otp	[16:51]
lobbes	also, try '!'	[16:51]
lobbes	not ";;"	[16:51]
liquidassets	!rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.	[16:51]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6db4cdcd5e0bc8f7	[16:51]
trinque	liquidassets: ;; is gribble, ! is assbot	[16:52]
liquidassets	assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881	[16:52]
trinque	liquidassets: stick a !v in front	[16:53]
liquidassets	!v assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881	[16:53]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.	[16:53]
liquidassets	ty	[16:53]
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liquidassets	Have a great day #b-a see y'all next time	[16:56]
trinque	adios	[16:56]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:43]
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ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0	[17:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:43]
ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu not in magic-98 pattern	[17:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:44]
thestringpuller	no eulora for ascii_field	[17:44]
ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu or at least one of the mods - wasn't	[17:44]
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gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:44]
ascii_field	thestringpuller: believe or not, i do not actually own a machine which could run it.	[17:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58545 @ 0.00032277 = 18.8966 BTC [-] {5}	[17:59]
ben_vulpes	apt-cache madison ??? what the hell.	[17:59]
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thestringpuller	my disbelief is more in you playing video games in general	[18:09]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: derives pleasure from reading circuit schematics	[18:10]
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ascii_field	thestringpuller: i set up a strict msdos box not long ago, mainly for games	[18:10]
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kakobrekla	title parser is back online	[18:51]
mike_c	http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[18:52]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets \| You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AL2pnU )	[18:52]
mike_c	nice!	[18:52]
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mircea_popescu	64424509455 eh	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	4294967297 * 3 * 5	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	i think this is 5's first time.	[19:11]
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mircea_popescu	yay thanks kakobrekla	[19:12]
kakobrekla	welcome	[19:12]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRm3ezx4BLg	[19:33]
assbot	Jack Warner Bloopers 1954 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iiux4o )	[19:33]
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-assbot-	You voiced Avenged2 for 30 minutes.	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up williamdunne	[20:22]
-assbot-	You voiced williamdunne for 30 minutes.	[20:22]
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Avenged2	Whats up people how you chilling?	[20:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00031645 = 3.6234 BTC [-]	[20:22]
nubbins`	terminally	[20:23]
Avenged2	Whats up people how you chilling?	[20:23]
nubbins`	terminally	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpgtpvBLU1qfvizao1_500.jpg something like that.	[20:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1dNd731 )	[20:23]
Avenged2	meowmix081 in the house	[20:26]
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BingoBoingo	!up STRML	[20:38]
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asciilifeform	srsly wtf 11111!111!!!!!	[20:50]
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jurov	https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eulora/1439975486317739 likelike :D	[21:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M66Bix )	[21:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00033001 = 29.2389 BTC [+] {4}	[21:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44230 @ 0.00032501 = 14.3752 BTC [-]	[22:02]
kakobrekla	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1YXPBWJ.txt	[22:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1cytlf2 )	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	jurov ahaha nice	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58436 @ 0.00032452 = 18.9637 BTC [-]	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhzbobfoW1qfpdc0o1_500.gif	[22:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133946 @ 0.00032815 = 43.9544 BTC [+] {2}	[22:40]
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