Forum logs for 02 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mats	it appears ru is now operating a combat outpost in syria	[00:47]
asciilifeform	ru gotta churn inventory too, y'know	[00:48]
mats	multiple folks report: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html and http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html	[00:49]
assbot	Russia Puts Boots on the Ground in Syria - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSE )	[00:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG )	[00:49]
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mats	however, rt denies jets have been sent in country https://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis	[00:51]
assbot	'No Russian jets sent to Syria' - military source on 'expeditionary force' report — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vvg8p6 )	[00:51]
mats	a denial of any troop movements in country, in fact	[00:52]
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mats	how curious	[00:54]
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asciilifeform	mats: tastes great with the earlier orl0l from today	[00:56]
asciilifeform	(the one concerning isis-as-junkyard-dog-of-usg hypothesis)	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	ru denials are about as good as us denials.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	~=confirmation within a first approximation	[01:00]
mats	I suspect daesh anticipated this play (not the first time its been used) and exploited USG willingness to aid	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	possibru	[01:03]
mats	I can't think of anyone capable of opposing them on the field	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	the ru aren't infantry capable either.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	they got a good plane, which keeps the us in check. but infantry wise...	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	infantry is hard.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	they got 5-10k elite, and they're playing heroes of might and magic with them around the map. because even one lost is a horribru disaster. not replenishable.	[01:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00069921 = 10.663 BTC [-]	[01:08]
mats	I am considering how to word the terms of a bet regarding the fall of Baghdad in a year's time	[01:08]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: why not replenishable ?	[01:10]
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pete_dushenski	"The hockey stick told us that the recent warming period (1950 to 1998) was unusual in the last thousand years and that this sort of sudden warming had (supposedly) never happened before and that man’s CO2 emissions were (presumably) the cause."	[01:11]
mats	got a suggestion? I'll lay out a couple coins for it	[01:11]
pete_dushenski	"As noted above it was an extraordinary claim, yet it was accepted instantly without checking it. This had the effect of destroying the credibility of the IPCC and the previously respected publication Nature."	[01:12]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: and 'climategate' Unhappened, yes	[01:12]
pete_dushenski	"Basically, Mann had mined many series of numbers looking for hockey stick shapes and gave each series that had the shape he wanted a much higher weight, up to a weighting factor of 392!"	[01:12]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: whisked under the rug. aha	[01:12]
asciilifeform	btw that was orlov's lowest point, imho	[01:12]
pete_dushenski	"Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. "	[01:13]
asciilifeform	he wrote a piece ~literally~, i shit thee not, arguing that it Does Not Count Because Stolen	[01:13]
asciilifeform	as in, seriously argued that no one must take the revelations into account	[01:13]
asciilifeform	Because It Was Stolen	[01:13]
pete_dushenski	sounds like judge who released mass murderer free and clear because cops obtained evidence poorly, only to have murderer continue spree	[01:14]
asciilifeform	then he deleted the whole thing.	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/28/a-detailed-review-of-the-book-a-disgrace-to-the-profession-by-mark-steyn/ << quoted	[01:15]
assbot	A detailed review of the book: ‘A Disgrace to the Profession’, by Mark Steyn \| Watts Up With That? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VviPqz )	[01:15]
asciilifeform	the climategate thing is why i do not credit mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: orlov being a minion of moscow. orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy	[01:16]
asciilifeform	of climatocalypse, 'black lives', the whole shebang.	[01:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16007 @ 0.00070008 = 11.2062 BTC [+]	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: could also be flexible tether on leash	[01:17]
asciilifeform	(incidentally, did anyone else notice how the recent 'police brutality' mediatronic kick began immediately after several sheriffs in usa openly declared intent to nullify federal laws ?	[01:17]
asciilifeform	)	[01:17]
asciilifeform	the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in.	[01:18]
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pete_dushenski	it's not clear to me that the fedcops are enjoying such a sterling reputation these days	[01:19]
asciilifeform	they don't need to.	[01:19]
pete_dushenski	no ?	[01:19]
asciilifeform	just to fill the power vacuum	[01:19]
asciilifeform	that will form when the local police are 'regulated' and then castrated.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	then usa gets a 'guardia civil' like every other major industrialized country.	[01:19]
pete_dushenski	bah. the more valuable chain wins. in whose eyes though, i can't say	[01:19]
asciilifeform	unified under 'dhs'	[01:19]
pete_dushenski	that sounds like the stage is set for cops v cops	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	which, hey, is fine by me	[01:20]
asciilifeform	for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	polizei from wisconsin will shoot floridians. from alaska, in california.	[01:22]
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asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[01:23]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: the line-up to be a merc ~on us soil~ must be shallower than obama's veil of intelligence	[01:24]
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asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: what line-up. employees follow orders in usa.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: just like su conscripts happily massacred rioting factory workers. and it was hushed up well enough that even westerners are surprised to be told about it (incidents in 1960s)	[01:25]
pete_dushenski	back when hushing up was possible, sure.	[01:26]
pete_dushenski	now : digital age	[01:26]
asciilifeform	works better than ever.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	via folks giving less of a shit than ever.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	about anything.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	and there being fewer ~people~ in the genuine sense of the word, than ever, to give said shit.	[01:27]
pete_dushenski	except people who actually give a shit have never had better tools at their disposal	[01:27]
pete_dushenski	doesn't take many	[01:27]
pete_dushenski	in fact, it takes fewer than ever before	[01:27]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: Novocherkassk massacre (there is some material in engl.)	[01:39]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.redplenty.com/Red_Plenty/Logic.html << apparently this, too, exists in english.	[01:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:44]
assbot	Logic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxbvDp )	[01:44]
asciilifeform	'...in 1969 a disastrous decision was taken to standardise all production on clones of the IBM 360 series, half a decade old before the effort to reverse-engineer it even began, which would ensure that ever after the Soviet industry was doomed to obsolescence, and to feeble belated imitations of foreign technology. This, taken from Boris Malinovsky’s Pioneers of Soviet Computing, is the conversation that killed the industry.	[01:45]
asciilifeform	It’s 18th December 1969; the scene is Minradioprom, the Ministry for Radio Production...'	[01:45]
asciilifeform	^ as seen in ancient logz.	[01:45]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33994947	[02:24]
assbot	Black pitmasters left out of US barbecue boom - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExuznZ )	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	Oh, I come back from the baseball game and asciilifeform has some leads for me to qntra mebbe	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not replenishable because the natural rate of decay through aging is negative. ie, su shittifies like everything. if in 2000 it could produce 0.0001% of population, in 2020 it can produce only 0.0000965%. as population itself declines, the natural size of the thing shrinks. 10k in 2000, 9972 in 2001 etc.	[02:33]
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mircea_popescu	think in terms of "talented soccer players" or anything else, it's the exact same story.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	"progress" means, smaller contingents of anything useful as time goes by.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	"Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. " <<< this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. "race relations", "gender issues", you name it.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	a tiny group of second rate twerps THAT KNOW they're second rate band together, and because the world is so sick on this "everyone's equal" jizz, they can't be repressed effectually.	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	Also my team was playing one of asciilifeform's local teams. Washington DC lost.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	then he deleted the whole thing. << the truly damning part.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259211 << St Louis in its northern parts got radiotracers sprayed around	[02:37]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 22:14:20; ascii_field: iirc san fran.	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	"Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	fucking noobs.	[02:40]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259510 << mastering, l0l. almost certainly a mistranslation from освоение	[02:45]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 05:38:14; mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "	[02:45]
asciilifeform	which is not the same thing at all	[02:45]
asciilifeform	'to make one's own'	[02:45]
asciilifeform	rather, 'to make [subject] one's own'	[02:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259506 << there are, for practical purposes, two 'moscows' - the harvardized one and the actual one.	[02:48]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 05:33:47; mircea_popescu: orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	whether they will ever be cut apart, or die together, i do not know.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259507 << pretty much nobody else is showing any symptoms of having an idea as to ~what~ they are buying into.	[02:49]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 05:34:43; mircea_popescu: and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	imho it is this.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	the dhs camps.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259321 << IRS treats expenditure optimization frequently the same as "structuring" and other not crimes that are somehow crimes.	[03:01]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items.	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	Also apparently matheney still has a job http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439	[03:07]
assbot	Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.	[03:07]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform putin's fighting hard with himself to stay away the harvoscow.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo makes 0 sense to me, seeing how you already paid tax on it, but then again i don;t live there	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's part of the US department of words really don't mean anything anymore	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	in that sense might as well just endorse your paycheck to obama and forgetdaboutit	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's what half the country tis doing anyway so...myeahk	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	What paycheck?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	right.	[03:23]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally it occurs to me - one theory that'd very well fit the soviet ibm insanity would be, "the captive thief". ie, a guy so enamoured with the idea that "this calculator is hot (ie, stolen)" that he'll gladly expend $1500 to get a shitty pocket calculator, instead of $1100 to get a 10x as powerful desktop.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	IF ITS STOLEN ITS +EV!!11	[03:24]
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mircea_popescu	"despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	in "random news from stupid island" : xmacro is pretty much the only workable linux keyboard/mouse emulator.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	it arbitrarily decided to round all delays to the integer second.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	"who could ever conceivably want microsecond delays!!11"	[03:26]
punkman	tried ahk?	[03:27]
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mircea_popescu	"AutoHotkey: macro and automation Windows scripting language" ?	[03:28]
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punkman	this http://ahkscript.org/	[03:28]
assbot	AutoHotkey ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7CYQE )	[03:28]
punkman	hmm, guess I misremember as working on linux	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	"AutoHotkey (AHK) is a free, open-source macro-creation and automation software for Windows that allows users to automate repetitive tasks."	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	http://ahkscript.org/download/ahk-install.exe	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	holy shit omfg.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	i forgot this world exists where "download" = "here's a binary"	[03:29]
punkman	that's what most linux distros do, no?	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	notrly. well...	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	i guess huh.	[03:31]
punkman	just because it's called apt-get install doesn't mean it's any different	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as part of the perennial hate of ru in ro, "Shura-Bura" is how you say "utter nonsense"	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	it's called V!	[03:32]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Drone Update - http://qntra.net/2015/09/drone-update/	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i guarantee you 90% of campus drone usage is to take shower pic of the 3 not-obese females per campus.	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	Almsot certainly	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	sane uni admin would just hire a few dozen models to walk around the campus nude all day.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	cheaper than any initiative to retain athletes they could come up with	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	Really that's what seperates "good" and "bad" schools nowadays	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg	[04:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UqVcgl )	[04:11]
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fluffypony	I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones	[04:17]
fluffypony	and there's no way I'm spying on anyone's shower	[04:17]
fluffypony	I'd get WAY better shots from a DSLR with a telephoto zoom lens	[04:18]
mats	BingoBoingo: re: bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin some corrections: '... damning VC behind the [reins]', some commas here: 'Goldman Sachs, purely fiat institution, is a majority shareholder of Moneygram, a cash ...'	[04:19]
mats	er: 'a purely fiat'	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	mats: fixed, I think	[04:20]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259268 << gotta let them work for it	[04:22]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 23:10:57; trinque: tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency	[04:22]
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mats	I think some care should be taken to minimize passive voice usage in future pieces	[04:28]
punkman	fluffypony: big lens is too expensive, better get a small telescope	[04:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069908 = 6.4315 BTC [-] {2}	[04:32]
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fluffypony	lol	[04:33]
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punkman	oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks	[04:45]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.twincities.com/statefair/ci_28734408/bill-cosby-portrait-rapeseed-pulled-from-state-fair	[04:50]
assbot	Bill Cosby portrait in 'rapeseed' pulled from State Fair - TwinCities.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTiDzU )	[04:50]
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shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259563 <<< well that certainly was nice to wake up to.	[05:07]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 07:08:41; mircea_popescu: and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg	[05:07]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259141 <<< obviously the telegraph obstructs the viewer from seeing the gun in his other hand	[05:14]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 21:19:51; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting	[05:14]
punkman	http://watchdog.org/235283/purdue-student-loan-investment/	[05:19]
assbot	Purdue's new student loan program literally invests in their students - Watchdog.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1fUA0BY )	[05:19]
punkman	"Beginning in 2016, University President Mitch Daniels wants to allow private investors to invest in the success of Purdue students using a new financial model: Income Share Agreements (ISA)."	[05:20]
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pete_dushenski	^sounds like williamdunne's scheme from a few months back	[05:22]
punkman	I worked on a project that involved predicting future student income for such purposes couple years back.	[05:23]
punkman	seems pretty hopeless	[05:24]
pete_dushenski	how did your project work ?	[05:24]
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punkman	something like: get average salary stats for (degree, company, job title etc), match those up to resumes, pretend like derp getting degree matches the model	[05:29]
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pete_dushenski	strange.	[05:30]
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shinohai	Best description of Ryan X Charles EVAH: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3j79li/inside_the_movement_to_build_a_bitcoinpowered/cuni67s	[05:32]
assbot	scienceabhorsyou comments on Inside the Movement to Build a Bitcoin-Powered Reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLmnB8 )	[05:32]
pete_dushenski	lel	[05:33]
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cazalla	pete_dushenski, you snipped? (circumcision questions got the better of my curiosity tbh)	[05:42]
cazalla	or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?	[05:43]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259565 <<< 36x zoom to go along with the night vision and camo eh?	[05:55]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 07:15:06; fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones	[05:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10103 @ 0.00069822 = 7.0541 BTC [-] {3}	[06:01]
cazalla	http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/8782/daniel-craig-interview/ "What does it say, too, that Bond is a fantasy figure for a Britain that no longer exists, an Imperial warrior who satisfies the rest of our vicarious appetites – no longer as easily fulfilled as they once were – to travel to exotic locations, execute the natives and then have sex with their women?"	[06:02]
assbot	Daniel Craig Is Esquire's October Cover Star - Esquire ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9A0wr )	[06:02]
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fluffypony	cazalla: I work with wildlife fire and rescue and the local anti-poaching groups	[06:03]
fluffypony	so it's for that	[06:03]
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mircea_popescu	oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks << aha. and for all the pretense of the swiss from 20 years ago, 2015 800mm chinese lens beats 1985 zeiss lens.	[07:02]
punkman	not true in my experience	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	seems pretty hopeless << actually some derpy "artists" were airing this nonsensical scheme a few years ago. it basically reduces to "isn't it unfair that only some 6/7 chicks get to pretend like they're artists on daddy's dime ? why shouldn't i have a daddy like that!"	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	it went nowhere. but i guess if the govt gets involved it'll be a great success.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	punkman how do you measure ?	[07:05]
punkman	mircea_popescu: certainly modern lenses did get better, but the cheap chinese lenses on ebay are rarely better than cheap vintage glass	[07:07]
punkman	I have not measured other than casual use of them	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	dollar for dollar or how do you match ?	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	obviously cheapest that can be had today is worse than most expensive that could be had 30 years ago.	[07:08]
punkman	you can't really get anything but "cheapest" from china these days	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	heh. yeap, imperial policy since forever.	[07:13]
punkman	there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way	[07:13]
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*	shinohai loves Soviet vaccum tubes in his guitar amp.	[07:21]
punkman	on an interesting note, Zeiss was a pioneer in lithography optics for chip manufacturing	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	pretty much owned optics 100 years ago, moreso than the us or china own computing.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	and yet...	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	"Tolstoy begins by saying that throughout life Shakespeare has aroused in him "an irresistible repulsion and tedium". Conscious that the opinion of the civilized world is against him, he has made one attempt after another on Shakespeare's works, reading and re-reading them in Russian, English and German; but "I invariably underwent the same feelings; repulsion, weariness and bewilderment". Now, at the age of seventy-fi	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	ve, he has once again re-read the entire works of Shakespeare, including the historical plays, and I have felt with an even greater force, the same feelings–this time, however, not of bewilderment, but of firm, indubitable conviction that the unquestionable glory of a great genius which Shakespeare enjoys, and which compels writers of our time to imitate him and readers and spectators to discover in him non-existent	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	merits–thereby distorting their aesthetic and ethical understanding–is a great evil, as is every untruth."	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha. who the fuck is tolstoy again.	[07:48]
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kakobrekla	Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.	[08:08]
shinohai	ik kakobrekla sometimes Chinese vendors try to sell fake Sovtek's xD	[08:10]
shinohai	I use EL-84's and this price is hard to beat: https://www.tubedepot.com/products/sovtek-el84-power-vacuum-tube	[08:13]
assbot	Sovtek EL84 Power Vacuum Tube	[08:13]
kakobrekla	i suspekt there is more fake ones than real one on the market	[08:13]
punkman	kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. << they even bother to make fake capacitors	[08:28]
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kakobrekla	the chinese on the other hand, go as 'low' as faking the current tube production lines.	[08:29]
kakobrekla	chinese faking chinese.	[08:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30769 @ 0.00070017 = 21.5435 BTC [+] {3}	[08:51]
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davout	!up gill3s	[08:55]
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shinohai	Epic haiku this am davout	[08:56]
davout	shinohai: it's not mine	[08:57]
davout	i just stole it	[08:57]
davout	but it indeed is fucking epic	[08:57]
shinohai	lol was funny at any rate.	[08:57]
davout	let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan	[08:57]
davout	reassuring words	[08:58]
davout	with eerie robot cadence	[08:58]
davout	hi i'm roger ver	[08:58]
shinohai	Got to run that through espeak just once.	[08:58]
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punkman	!up ffmad	[09:00]
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davout	oh god, i'm attratcting teh french	[09:01]
kakobrekla	if im seeing this right, network is still being spammed ?	[09:01]
davout	kakobrekla: what reddit says, might be true, my transactions are going through fine though	[09:03]
davout	with .001 fees	[09:03]
kakobrekla	yup, its incoming thats troublesome	[09:04]
kakobrekla	apparently im dealing with derps.	[09:04]
davout	said every single serious bitcoin professional at least a few times a year	[09:04]
kakobrekla	heh	[09:05]
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shinohai	Haiku preserved in sound: https://transfer.sh/o9QQN/haiku.wav	[09:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7iBD )	[09:10]
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davout	shinohai: amazing	[09:13]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[09:13]
shinohai	Without espeak, trolling others would be far less fun.	[09:15]
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kakobrekla	http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/ < eth, powered by 15year olds	[09:19]
assbot	15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn )	[09:19]
shinohai	lol I was discussing w/ someone the other day hw he is going for that Gavin look in that article.	[09:20]
shinohai	Because the last "young genius" we got out of Ethereum was so talented, especially in the field of security.	[09:21]
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fluffypony	what's that phrase Vitalik is so fond of	[09:25]
fluffypony	oh yes	[09:25]
fluffypony	"weak subjectivity"	[09:25]
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fluffypony	which is code for "decentralised and secure, but only in the weakest possible sense of the phrase"	[09:26]
shinohai	^	[09:27]
fluffypony	http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitpay-calls-industry-form-bitcoin-association-1518066	[09:28]
assbot	BitPay calls on industry to form 'Bitcoin Association' ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCoZJ )	[09:28]
fluffypony	What's in a name? that which we call a Foundation	[09:29]
fluffypony	By any other name would smell as rotten;	[09:29]
shinohai	Didn't take me long to find that fluffypony: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-love-weak-subjectivity/	[09:30]
assbot	Proof of Stake: How I Learned to Love Weak Subjectivity - Ethereum Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCBfl )	[09:30]
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fluffypony	shinohai: I know, I sometimes read that blog post when I've feeling down and I need to laugh at something	[09:31]
shinohai	LOLZ	[09:31]
davout	fluffypony: i've recently joined #bitcoinxt for that purpose	[09:31]
fluffypony	lol	[09:31]
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davout	they apparently want to admit that "my crowd is behind the XT DDoS"	[09:32]
fluffypony	your crowd?	[09:32]
davout	"aren't you guys based in russia or something, bulgaria wherever it is?"	[09:32]
fluffypony	like you had a Kickstarter for it?	[09:32]
davout	they clarified with "the mpex crowd specifically"	[09:32]
fluffypony	https://i.imgur.com/iobJtA1.jpg	[09:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCXCJ )	[09:33]
shinohai	Anduck is in there, kek.	[09:34]
davout	fluffypony: nice one	[09:35]
shinohai	I like that though, "Aren't yu guys based in russia or something"?	[09:36]
davout	bulgaria	[09:36]
shinohai	No, iz GLORIOUS NATION of Kazakhstan	[09:36]
shinohai	Hue, I wish I had been there. "Yeah. Aren't you guys based in Mom's basement?"	[09:37]
davout	i invited the guy over and told him that he'd be fine (unless he's a jew of course)	[09:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069958 = 4.8971 BTC [-]	[09:39]
shinohai	The scene from that movies where they stay with the older Jewish couple is probably one of the funniest goddamned things I have ever seen.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	un-circus sized jew is still ok	[09:41]
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davout	obligatory we-should-stop-with-the-racist-jokes.jpg	[09:44]
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mircea_popescu	fat can't race.	[09:46]
shinohai	https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11954809_973086012714068_2373148260900113673_n.jpg?oh=059fbff019b05203971a2d17294049da&oe=56605E42	[09:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9hWA )	[09:48]
punkman	http://buffettfaq.com/	[09:58]
assbot	Buffett FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNac9B )	[09:58]
davout	there's a problem when your faq has 463 questions listed	[10:00]
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funkenstein_	from punkman's link "The good thing about business is that you don’t have to know any higher math. It may be an advantage not to know it. [CM: Yes, it is. If you know it, you feel the need to use it.] "	[10:16]
funkenstein_	lol at Tolstoy quote, thanks :)	[10:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069813 = 20.5599 BTC [-] {3}	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	!up rombou	[10:28]
-assbot-	You voiced rombou for 30 minutes.	[10:28]
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funkenstein_	as I haven't reread any Tolstoy in German or Russian, I must withhold comment	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	certainly a better novelist than literary critic / sociophilosopher / w/e he fancied himself.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	"Soon after I arrived at Crossgates (not immediately, but after a week or two, just when I seemed to be settling into routine of school life) I began wetting my bed. I was now aged eight, so that this was a reversion to a habit which I must have grown out of at least four years earlier.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	Nowadays, I believe, bed-wetting in such circumstances is taken for granted. It is a normal reaction in children who have been removed from their homes to a strange place. In those days, however, it was looked on as a disgusting crime which the child committed on purpose and for which the proper cure was a beating."	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	see alf, the crumbling of the empire starts in the craddle.	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	pissantry is "a normal reaction"!11	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	the pissants have come to expect	[10:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00069958 = 2.3086 BTC [+]	[10:39]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.	[10:49]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 06:22:52; mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.	[10:49]
asciilifeform	(just like in su of the period)	[10:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su.	[10:52]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?	[10:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259619 << after 1945 zeiss was shipped wholesale - complete with all equipment, and enslaved staff - to su, and put to work there	[10:54]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 10:10:54; punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way	[10:54]
asciilifeform	there is still a 'zeiss' in germany, but it is not the pre-'45 one	[10:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)	[10:56]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 11:05:45; kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.	[10:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259643 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#365844	[10:58]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 11:55:30; davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan	[10:58]
assbot	Logged on 02-11-2013 00:07:12; asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!"	[10:58]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIV-QdPEx-Q << obligatory	[10:58]
assbot	Kazakhstan You Very Nice Place - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nab8Vk )	[10:58]
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asciilifeform	strike that	[11:01]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu6Tn9N_7g << CORRECT clip	[11:01]
assbot	Borat (2006) - Credits (Full Kazakhstan anthem videoclip) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NabtHC )	[11:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259715 << how else.	[11:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 13:32:07; mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect	[11:03]
punkman	also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0	[11:08]
assbot	Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 )	[11:08]
asciilifeform	^ famous	[11:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2013 @ 0.00069812 = 1.4053 BTC [-]	[11:09]
punkman	http://www.refugees-welcome.net/	[11:11]
assbot	Refugees Welcome \| This is the international website of the berlin-based project ‘Flüchtlinge Willkommen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacZJZ )	[11:11]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259725 < the art of tube making died with the people who made them.	[11:11]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 13:54:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)	[11:11]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you may be surprised to learn that it is not dead. ru still makes.	[11:12]
asciilifeform	on same equipment as in '80s and prior.	[11:12]
asciilifeform	but go and find them in your lands, aha.	[11:12]
punkman	yes and the derps buy it from the one ru factory and rebrand it 50 different ways	[11:12]
asciilifeform	best bet - 'ebay', old su stock.	[11:12]
kakobrekla	often fake.	[11:13]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you got a convincing fake ?!	[11:14]
asciilifeform	or just a pile of rocks in an old su cardboard box	[11:14]
kakobrekla	convincing fake = looks same on pic as original ?	[11:14]
asciilifeform	looks similar, sorta works, the lot.	[11:14]
thestringpuller	wind 23	[11:14]
kakobrekla	but entirely different beast inside	[11:14]
asciilifeform	ah	[11:15]
kakobrekla	starting off with poor vacuum.	[11:15]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-06-2015#1166006 << see thread, even	[11:16]
assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:35; asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.	[11:16]
shinohai	I tried the Chinese tubes, but seems they don't like the slightest amount of overheating.	[11:16]
punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/business/worldbusiness/16cheat.html?pagewanted=all	[11:16]
assbot	From Russia, With Dread - New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NadL9Q )	[11:16]
asciilifeform	^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods	[11:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2014#949583	[11:18]
assbot	Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do s	[11:18]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2014#949585	[11:19]
assbot	Logged on 10-12-2014 00:52:56; asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd	[11:19]
punkman	asciilifeform: who's the arsonist?	[11:19]
asciilifeform	usg	[11:19]
kakobrekla	http://www.jacmusic.com/nos/images/Fakes/index.htm here is a few examples of fakes, but this covers only a small portion of the picture	[11:20]
assbot	FAKE TUBES LIKE ECC803S and others ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8x3cF )	[11:20]
asciilifeform	lulzy! even nazi tubes faked	[11:21]
kakobrekla	indeed	[11:21]
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asciilifeform	the photo at the end is priceless	[11:22]
kakobrekla	aha :)	[11:22]
shinohai	bwahahahaha "tube shredder"	[11:25]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i often wonder why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#602974 did not catch on	[11:28]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2014 22:18:37; asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass	[11:28]
asciilifeform	and from the earlier link,	[11:28]
asciilifeform	'In the hulking pile of brick wrapped in pipes and smokestacks that is the building, most of the employees are women. Dressed in blue robes and hair nets, they join together delicate bundles of wire, wafers of rare metal and glass bulbs with fingers trained by years of work. "No man would want to make a tube," Lyudmila V. Afanasieva, 54, said, nimbly sliding wires into a glass cylinder. She worked on the same tube model when i	[11:28]
asciilifeform	t went into nuclear submarines that prowled off the coast of the United States.'	[11:28]
kakobrekla	heh yeah no pump, still needs vacuum	[11:29]
asciilifeform	i wonder if the fake folks skip the diffusion pump	[11:30]
kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDvF89Bh27Y < whole production line at a show	[11:31]
assbot	Mullard - The Blackburn Vacuum Tubes Factory (Full) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NafPyB )	[11:31]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw << ~the~ mega-film re: tubemaking.	[11:35]
assbot	Hand Made Vacuum Tubes by Claude Paillard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8AQGW )	[11:35]
asciilifeform	linked here on several occasions, iirc.	[11:35]
asciilifeform	from scrap to tube.	[11:35]
kakobrekla	aha yeah saw that one.	[11:35]
kakobrekla	early production gz34 tubes from mullard blackburn facotry go for 500 to 1k	[11:36]
kakobrekla	used ones	[11:36]
asciilifeform	why??	[11:36]
kakobrekla	people.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	because voodoo?	[11:36]
kakobrekla	and magicks.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	same 'people' who put green paint on cd to 'improve sound', and buy $50k cabling ?	[11:36]
punkman	"audiophiles"	[11:36]
kakobrekla	dunno, i havent tested that particular one myself.	[11:38]
kakobrekla	they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +	[11:38]
asciilifeform	see, when i heard of 'fake tubes', my first thought was something like an old burned-out one but with some chinese semiconductor strange in the plastic base, to emulate a working tube.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	now ~that~ would be hilarious.	[11:43]
asciilifeform	wonder how many audiophiliacs could tell the difference between a fifty-cent emulator (yes, it needs to eat the high supply voltages, but this is not hard) and the original.	[11:43]
asciilifeform	possibly using burned tube would not work on account of the filament failing to glow red	[11:44]
asciilifeform	but it is considerably easier to fake 'glows' than 'amplifies'	[11:44]
kakobrekla	you can hear the difference between solid state rectifier and tube rectifier over youtube.	[11:45]
asciilifeform	no shit	[11:45]
asciilifeform	but no one is ~trying~ to emulate	[11:45]
asciilifeform	and didja say rectifier ?! what, direct current from a mercury beast is more direct somehow than from my lab power supply ?	[11:46]
kakobrekla	tube sags	[11:46]
kakobrekla	other stuff also.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	so emulate the sag.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	what, no one cared to do this ?	[11:46]
kakobrekla	they emulate the package but not the full elect characteristics	[11:47]
kakobrekla	(can insert ss rectifier in tube socket, it will not sound like tube)	[11:48]
asciilifeform	my guess is that it is not actually so difficult, but no one has invested in genuinely trying, for the elementary reason that the green-magicmarker crowd will never buy it	[11:48]
kakobrekla	brb	[11:48]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. << I was under the impression gamergate happened because d00d published blog about ex-gf cheating on him who works in games. That's at least what personally brought my attention to it.	[11:50]
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punkman	lulzy http://www.wingedc.com/	[11:54]
assbot	Winged C ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8GeK3 )	[11:54]
shinohai	http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/couple-who-quit-jobs-to-travel-the-world-now-broke-scrubbing-toilets-1.3211621 <<< also lulzy	[12:06]
assbot	Couple who quit jobs to travel the world end up scrubbing toilets for pay - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBo8k7 )	[12:06]
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kakobrekla	> Paymium Raises 1 Million Euros < o hey congrats	[12:20]
kakobrekla	davout	[12:20]
kakobrekla	>BitFury Completes 16NM Bitcoin Mining ASIC Tape-Out	[12:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00069812 = 6.9575 BTC [-]	[12:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.0007008 = 28.4174 BTC [+] {5}	[12:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.0007025 = 29.2943 BTC [+] {5}	[12:38]
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shinohai	I see coinbase is expanding to Canada and ingapore. Gotta have eyes all over I guess.	[12:44]
shinohai	*Singapore	[12:44]
shinohai	https://twitter.com/hyperactivelumi/status/639094976777953280	[13:00]
mike_c	coinbase is pretty global by now. they're up to 27 countries	[13:01]
shinohai	I guess I misunderstand economics. The shittier your service is and moar closely aligned with usg interests, the moar successful it becomes.	[13:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38190 @ 0.00070291 = 26.8441 BTC [+] {3}	[13:08]
williamdunne	mike_c: closer to 18 IMO	[13:09]
mike_c	because some of them aren't really countries or because the service isn't really available?	[13:10]
jurov	mod6 i had "summertime cold" worse every year. it turned out it's actually an allergy	[13:17]
mod6	ahh, i've never had allergies. but.. maybe i guess. feel much better today :]	[13:27]
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williamdunne	mike_c: Sorry I meant 16. And because for a whole bunch of the countries they process euros not the national currency	[13:34]
mike_c	ah	[13:34]
williamdunne	Bulgaria	[13:35]
williamdunne	Croatia	[13:35]
williamdunne	Czech Republic	[13:35]
williamdunne	Denmark	[13:35]
williamdunne	Hungary	[13:35]
williamdunne	Norway	[13:35]
williamdunne	Poland	[13:35]
williamdunne	Romania	[13:35]
williamdunne	Sweden	[13:35]
williamdunne	Switzerland	[13:35]
williamdunne	United Kingdom	[13:35]
punkman	http://tooltrainer.com/blog/paypal-does-not-know-how-to-detect-fraud/	[13:35]
assbot	» Paypal does not know how to detect fraud. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLl3xF )	[13:35]
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williamdunne	1% fee + 0-10euro SEPA fee + 0.5-3% currency conversion fee	[13:36]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[13:42]
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ascii_field	'I expected PayPal would have my back and worst case, the whole transaction would be reversed and nobody would be out anything.' << gold	[13:42]
ascii_field	'Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected PayPal to accept screenshots from the seller, as proof of anything.'	[13:42]
williamdunne	For example at my bank it would cost me 1%, 13 euro, 4% currency conversion fee. But that's because UK banks are particularly terrible with SEPA	[13:43]
ascii_field	also the keeper of that www has paste-polluting js and needs to be strung up with piano wire.	[13:43]
punkman	"I know this is too good to be true but I'll try anyway"	[13:43]
punkman	I wonder if anyone has sold ebay.com on ebay	[13:44]
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ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what, they're 104's - 'connection reset by peer.' your end hangs up.	[14:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:02]
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ascii_field	BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal	[14:25]
assbot	Wikipedia editors just banned 381 accounts over a huge fraud and extortion scandal \| Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaG3B2 )	[14:25]
ascii_field	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody/Articles << lulzy	[14:31]
assbot	Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0f1L )	[14:31]
ascii_field	'In this specific case, however, in order to prevent article subjects from continued shakedowns by bad actors who are causing significant harm to the reputation of this project, the articles are all being deleted. It is important to break the cycle of payment demands, and to make it clear that the Wikipedia community, and not a small group of paid editor accounts, controls the content of this project. This mass deletion	[14:31]
ascii_field	is without prejudice to recreation by experienced Wikipedians who believe that the subject is sufficiently notable for an article. We emphasize again that all indications are that the editing was not solicited by the article subjects.'	[14:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00069497 = 9.7991 BTC [-]	[14:32]
shinohai	http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-anchor-sues-hasbro-over-toy-hamster-151935145.html <<< I will not say anything racist, I will not say anything racist ....	[14:33]
assbot	Fox News anchor sues Hasbro over toy hamster with her name - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0QAJ )	[14:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20851 @ 0.00069702 = 14.5336 BTC [+] {3}	[14:39]
punkman	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-02/to-nab-traders-prosecutors-hit-ctrl-f-for-suspicious-acronyms	[14:44]
assbot	Don't Use These Lame Acronyms If You Don't Want to Get Nabbed by the Feds - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaJ2tc )	[14:44]
punkman	"“Taking a conversation offline provides evidence of intent because if you’re trying to cover your tracks, you probably know what you’re doing is wrong,”"	[14:44]
ascii_field	punkman: tastes ~great~ with a balanced diet of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1247446	[14:45]
assbot	Logged on 21-08-2015 21:04:08; ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the ca	[14:45]
punkman	aha	[14:45]
ascii_field	'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold	[14:46]
ascii_field	'“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.'	[14:46]
ascii_field	now if only crypto and stego had been invented	[14:47]
ascii_field	but customers'd never have accepted ! (tm) (r)	[14:47]
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ascii_field	http://media.tumblr.com/2c69c43d85ce073364d32c8149febb56/tumblr_inline_muxp1yuB9v1qbdp2h.jpg	[14:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8c7d )	[14:58]
ascii_field	http://media.tumblr.com/1169b9e24354444816f315a6b6968943/tumblr_inline_muxp5mgbJY1qbdp2h.jpg	[14:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8eMm )	[14:58]
ascii_field	(with above)	[14:58]
kakobrekla	win	[15:00]
ascii_field	http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/37750/does-a-commercially-available-self-destructing-hdd-set-in-bios-exist << unrelated mega-l0l	[15:01]
assbot	hardware - Does a commercially available self destructing HDD (set in BIOS) exist? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaLKyY )	[15:01]
ascii_field	grep for 'no need' even.	[15:01]
ascii_field	there is always, always a shitgnome 'you don't need this, move along' commenter.	[15:01]
BingoBoingo	https://36.media.tumblr.com/ce942adcdac180943d87d8855e5978bb/tumblr_nu1lacYPxV1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg	[15:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hzazH9 )	[15:07]
mike_c	http://mic.com/articles/107370/13-absurd-reasons-men-use-to-defend-their-right-to-spread-their-legs-on-the-subway	[15:12]
assbot	13 Absurd Reasons "Manspreaders" Use to Defend Their Right to Spread on the Subway - Mic ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzbQOi )	[15:12]
mike_c	those all seem legit to me	[15:12]
mike_c	"Because I got balls to take care of." nuff said.	[15:13]
BingoBoingo	indeed	[15:13]
punkman	http://qz.com/472143/no-one-is-paying-attention-to-latin-americas-child-bride-problem/	[15:17]
assbot	The world isn’t paying enough attention to Latin America’s child-bride problem - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzde3G )	[15:17]
punkman	the world doesn't know how the world works	[15:18]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258664 << see also.	[15:19]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 18:25:13; mircea_popescu: the fact that most of the world agrees girls can marry once they can walk, that doesn't count.	[15:19]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[15:33]
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deedbot-	accepted: 1	[15:34]
shinohai	"I'm hoping at this point he muses about it equally ineffectively for the rest of the year." LOLZ	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00070294 = 4.4988 BTC [+]	[15:41]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Wikipedia Bans Hundreds of Accounts Over Alleged Paid Editing - http://qntra.net/2015/09/wikipedia-bans-hundreds-of-accounts-over-alleged-paid-editing/	[15:59]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[16:05]
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trinque	not seeing much about Russia in Syria aside from on Zero Hedge, InfoWars, etc	[16:20]
trinque	http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html << can anyone familiar with Israeli news comment on the bullshit factor of this site?	[16:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG )	[16:22]
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trinque	emacs is a giant complex piece of shit. changed nothing, upgraded nothing, yet it hangs at startup	[16:32]
ascii_field	trinque: emacs --debug-init	[16:32]
trinque	doesn't seem to be crapping debug info to either the terminal who launched or the emacs window	[16:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00070364 = 9.077 BTC [+] {3}	[16:33]
ascii_field	remove .emacs-bufflst, .emacs-places, and, as last resort, remove (after backing up) .emacs	[16:34]
trinque	yeah starts right up without the init.el; I'll have to hack things out and see where it's hanging	[16:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0006965 = 37.9941 BTC [-] {3}	[16:35]
trinque	vi init.el # the sadness...	[16:36]
mod6	:D	[16:48]
jurov	requires nano ~/.vimrc first	[16:50]
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mod6	haha	[16:52]
trinque	:'''(	[16:54]
trinque	my beautiful unix sandcastle	[16:54]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258861 << there are some who don't?	[16:57]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 19:24:26; shinohai: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watch-florida-pastor-says-women-should-greet-their-husbands-looking-spiffed-up-with-a-hot-meal-waiting/ XD	[16:57]
shinohai	We can't all have Stepford wives.	[16:57]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:58]
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ascii_field	BingoBoingo et al: http://www.popsci.com/san-jose-considers-license-plate-readers-garbage-trucks	[16:58]
assbot	Page Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXzdw )	[16:58]
ben_vulpes	shinohai: cascadian witch	[16:58]
ben_vulpes	incantations and built in furniture	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	ty ascii_field	[16:58]
ascii_field	and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says	[17:00]
assbot	Ashley Madison abusing DMCA “to put genie back in the bottle,” EFF says \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXNkF )	[17:00]
shinohai	I like your idea better ben_vulpes. Wife implies marriage and I sure as hell have had my lifetime dose of that.	[17:03]
mats	is there any way to look at the active mpoe order book (ie, the way 'mpexbot' used to spit 'em out with '$depth ')?	[17:06]
mats	nvm, available at http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php	[17:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UnJsAx )	[17:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00069497 = 11.745 BTC [-]	[17:13]
mats	kakobrekla: if you would parse that with assbot as 'empyex' and 'mpexbot' are nao defunct i'd be grateful	[17:14]
kakobrekla	!mp book	[17:16]
assbot	http://dpaste.com/2WAKNE6.txt	[17:16]
kakobrekla	!mp ticker	[17:16]
assbot	http://dpaste.com/2PPPFYG.txt	[17:16]
mats	could i prevail upon you to present that in a human readable manner?	[17:27]
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punkman	kakobrekla: I think that means XML instead of json	[17:29]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:29]
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kakobrekla	how do you want it so its not spammin chan?	[17:29]
mats	its ok with me if it only works in privmsg	[17:33]
kakobrekla	mebbe later	[17:35]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Silicon Valley City Contemplates Surveillance Equipment on Garbage Trucks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/silicon-valley-city-contemplates-surveillance-equipment-on-garbage-trucks/	[17:39]
BingoBoingo	how do you want it so its not spammin chan? << stream as bz2 compressed xml	[17:39]
kakobrekla	you mean JBIG2?	[17:40]
punkman	JBIG2 and send it through snapchat	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: sure, prolly also base256 encode the output	[17:41]
kakobrekla	hm, binary coded decimals would be easier to humanparse.	[17:42]
BingoBoingo	beautiful	[17:43]
mats	BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full	[17:44]
assbot	Cops decide to collect less license plate data after 80GB drive got full \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhEFQe )	[17:44]
BingoBoingo	mats: Saw that, could be disinfo	[17:44]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:44]
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ascii_field	poor backwoods cops	[17:45]
ascii_field	fed disks don't get full.	[17:45]
ascii_field	see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259456	[17:45]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.	[17:45]
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mats	i dunno that the feds could even find folks qualified and willing to do a job like that	[17:47]
ascii_field	what means 'qualified' ?	[17:47]
ascii_field	as for 'willing', no shortage of dea/fbi/dhs/etc. goons today	[17:48]
mats	americans are fat as fuck, barely anyone these days can pass a BMI evaluation and run 2mi in reasonable time	[17:48]
ascii_field	no shortage of 19 y.o. not fat yet.	[17:48]
ascii_field	and eager to kill something.	[17:48]
mats	http://www.wsj.com/articles/recruits-ineligibility-tests-the-military-1403909945	[17:48]
assbot	Recruits' Ineligibility Tests the Military - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKOwD6 )	[17:49]
mats	>71% do not qualify for service	[17:49]
ascii_field	if they need to recruit mexicans in exchange for citizenship (roman-style) they will	[17:50]
mats	lol	[17:50]
mats	mexicans are even fatter, man	[17:51]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259468 << bonus	[17:51]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 04:19:37; asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.	[17:51]
ascii_field	anyway the 'too fat' thing is utterly irrelevant. they don't need to recruit million men for roman legion. but a few thousand for polizei duty - wacoing defenseless people, machine-gunning women and children, setting up public gallows, the lot	[17:53]
ascii_field	and how athletic does a man need to be to fly a robot bomber ?	[17:53]
ascii_field	see thread also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-03-2015#1072977	[17:54]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 20:43:53; asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture	[17:54]
mats	waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa	[17:55]
ascii_field	whether the 'higher tech north kr' thing is 'practicable' or not, it will be tried. ~is~ being tried.	[17:55]
mats	the population hardly breaks a sweat killing a hundred feds a year in current form, plenty of poor excitable people that'd love to multiply that number 10^4	[17:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27141 @ 0.00068813 = 18.6765 BTC [-] {4}	[17:56]
ascii_field	mats: hardly defenseless ?! what were they supposed to do, with their pea-shooters, against tanks and planes ?	[17:56]
ascii_field	mats: that number comes from throats cut of informants, stoolies, lone agents on the roadside	[17:56]
ascii_field	i bet many times more of'em die in traffic.	[17:57]
ascii_field	also 'high tech north kr' is often misunderstood concept. there is normally no need for usg to shoot anyone. instead they will cancel your food-and-rent card.	[17:58]
mats	shoot heads and emplace ieds? breaching a building is hard, you know.	[18:00]
ascii_field	so they sit outside and wait for everyone inside to starve.	[18:00]
mats	obviously you'll get trampled either way, but this is far short of defenseless	[18:00]
ascii_field	works just as great today as in 500 b.c.	[18:00]
ascii_field	'emplace ied' works when you have ten million sympathetic natives for partizans to hide among, be fed and clothed by	[18:02]
ascii_field	or at least a red army 500km away dropping occasional supplies	[18:02]
punkman	surely there are 10 million natives	[18:02]
mats	but when its not just 'waco' folks but a poor populace, suddenly its field offices being seiged by randoms, not 'waco'	[18:03]
mats	svbieds make big bang.	[18:03]
ascii_field	mats: problem is that no one in usa is so poor that he is indifferent to whether the lights stay on and the toilet flushes	[18:03]
ascii_field	things that go away first of all when ied becomes a daily matter	[18:03]
ascii_field	as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259296	[18:04]
assbot	Logged on 01-09-2015 23:30:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259224 << afghan doesn't rely on food trucks, flush toilet, or mains wiring. fragile things.	[18:04]
ascii_field	unlike the turd world, in usa the poor folks are the first and instant loosers in any breakdown of civilization	[18:04]
mats	iraq does, to an extent. and yet isis finds bulldozers, scrap metal for diy armor, and fertilizer for container vans readily enough	[18:05]
ascii_field	(ted turner on his ranch doesn't give a fuck if the city burns)	[18:05]
ascii_field	iraq was nicely massaged into the bronze age by usg.	[18:05]
ascii_field	a necessary prerequisite to this kind of thing.	[18:05]
mats	perhaps we both see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear	[18:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.0006872 = 28.4501 BTC [-] {4}	[18:08]
jurov	novorussians were expected to rely on light and flush toilets, too	[18:08]
mats	i got a coin for you if this theory pans out	[18:08]
ascii_field	jurov: ru infrastructure was considerably less fragile. yet it, too, deteriorated.	[18:08]
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ascii_field	for instance, incidents of folks falling into soft earth around leaking steam pipes, and boiling to death (along with any would-be rescuers) were a regular thing	[18:09]
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ascii_field	in usa, there are things you wouldn't believe. the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground.	[18:10]
ascii_field	no mains current - no drain.	[18:10]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735021 << old thread.	[18:10]
assbot	Logged on 27-06-2014 04:21:13; asciilifeform: that's a 'lift station.' normally sewer is operated by gravity. but often, for reasons of cost, a pipe will be laid uphill.	[18:10]
ascii_field	the basic reason why no one is voluntarily turning usa into iraq, regardless of usg abuses, is something like the english saying 'people in glass houses do not throw stones'	[18:12]
ascii_field	the other detail is probably demographic - iraq median age, according to usg, is ~20; usa - ~40 !	[18:13]
ascii_field	emma goldman supposedly said 'if i can't dance, i want nothing to do with your revolution'	[18:15]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:15]
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ascii_field	well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.	[18:15]
funkenstein_	re: waco, it's hard to get more helpless than kids trapped in buried school bus	[18:19]
funkenstein_	for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/	[18:21]
assbot	Confirmation Tianjin was Nuked \| Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNdWoS )	[18:21]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260032 <<< probably why no one ever goes camping with me. At all.	[18:23]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 21:13:30; ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.	[18:23]
ascii_field	camping is a sport, there is neither the permanence of the situation nor the hordes of crazed sheeple and their more-cannibalistic upper crust	[18:23]
shinohai	I love my tech, don't get me wrong. But a few nights in the desert or mountains does wonders for clearing away the clutter amongst the little grey bits.	[18:25]
ascii_field	shinohai: this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute.	[18:25]
ascii_field	ALMOST same activity, aha	[18:25]
shinohai	-__-	[18:25]
ben_vulpes	regarding that ancient optimization of expenditures thread, in america the ceo will have to report his place of residence if purchased/rented by the company as income, correct asciilifeform, mircea_popescu?	[18:32]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: if title is in company's name, the income - theoretically - is only the market value of leasing the property	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes of course he will.	[18:33]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: but more generally, you don't get to play tax games in usa if you are small change.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	of course you do.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	and hi erryone!	[18:33]
shinohai	wb	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field for what it's worth, dc swears up and down and has under grilling for the past coupla days that, in its own english, "By the way, our admin monitors said that no unplanned reboots were not."	[18:37]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: log in and see for yourself.	[18:37]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i do not know why the man lied.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	jus' sayin.	[18:38]
ascii_field	ftr i didn't expect him to say anything but precisely this	[18:38]
ascii_field	what, thought he would confess, 'gnomes ordered me to pull the cord' ?	[18:38]
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mircea_popescu	mno.	[18:39]
ascii_field	oh and is the man in wot ? 'cause i got a very special gift for him, if he is..	[18:39]
*	mircea_popescu is too lazy to log etc, but... did he also helpfully edit the history ?	[18:39]
ascii_field	not as of this morning	[18:40]
ascii_field	and afaik only we have the legit login to the box	[18:40]
ascii_field	so it would have had to be via backdoor installed when disk was removed, during power off	[18:40]
ascii_field	but no, logs are consistent with yanked mains.	[18:41]
ascii_field	each and every time since the first one at end of may	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	maybe they got bombed.	[18:41]
*	mircea_popescu is at heart a romatic	[18:41]
ascii_field	aha that was my first thought	[18:41]
ascii_field	but bombed every day, and the frag never hits diametric's box, only mine.	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa	[18:42]
assbot	Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNgkvG )	[18:42]
assbot	Showing results for http://qntra.net - Nu Html Checker ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNgkvK )	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo when you're done with that i got a bit of malbolge needs reversing.	[18:43]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Now that monero is off the table, may have time for that. Just trying to shave a few unecessary bytes here and there out of the Qntra	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	in other news, from #eulora : What is the best way to buy and hold a little bit of btc so I can buy copper from jurov ?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	S.MG, drivin' that BTC adoption to the moons!	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:46]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i will have you know that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a trace of your magic tx.	[18:46]
ascii_field	which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field thanks. alrighty, leave this for now until i can have something more sensible to say from this end.	[18:48]
ascii_field	this drew my attention to the asinine tcp socket handling in therealbitcoin	[18:48]
ascii_field	what the fuck is sender-side flood control for ?!!	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i don't have it tho.	[18:49]
ascii_field	don't have what ?	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	sender side flow control. in the bitcoin.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	atm the explanations are, bad tcp/ip implementation on the machine running it in a very subtle way, or some issue in the firewalls downstream	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	someone SOMEWHERE is sending a RST	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	as you can imagine, both glorious timewasters.	[18:50]
ascii_field	the error msg most closely corresponds to the line in therealbitcoin linked last night. but i do not know what mircea_popescu has there, and won't know unless he shares the snippet. so it gets left here.	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00068275 = 15.8091 BTC [-] {3}	[18:51]
ascii_field	incidentally, sending a spurious rst is time-honoured mega-classic tool for isp diddling of 'undesirable' pipe	[18:51]
*	mircea_popescu curses the poor, informal quality of his own previous approach to the problem V solves	[18:51]
ascii_field	l0l	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	dude what do you want from me ;/ i had nfi what to do with things.	[18:52]
ascii_field	lemme guess, sitting on a disk with 100 versions of mircea_popescucoin ?	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	not quite, but the "what does this knob do" investigations are starting to run into human memory failures.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	i have a running mmorpg that's simpler. gimme a fucking break. bitcoin is not part of the os-mmorpg-bitcoin trinity.	[18:54]
shinohai	Here's a guy who WAS good enough to sling dope, but now isn't: https://redd.it/3jd3kf	[18:54]
assbot	reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8vaS )	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	"Imagine you get pulled over for speeding once and they smell the meth or weed then search your shit, your fucked."	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	is reddit anything more than usg employees talking to spammers ?	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem to be.	[18:56]
shinohai	xD	[18:57]
shinohai	That whole subreddit is comedy gold.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	also in that line, http://trilema.com/2015/so-what-of-the-future/#comment-115214	[18:58]
assbot	So, what of the future ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8FPF )	[18:58]
jurov	mircea_popescu: you don't forget you also run a boiler room	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	wut ?	[18:59]
jurov	were my yest mpex problems substantiated anyhow?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	well inasmuch as you made some irc comments, no. i did look to see if your balance had magically vanished, which it had not.	[19:00]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260095 << this was what i thought, too, and that is why i strapped it to a table and started cutting pieces off	[19:01]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 21:51:18; mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.	[19:01]
jurov	isee.. still putting it slowly together	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov lemme know in your own time, i'll be around.	[19:02]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: concerning the RSTs: know that it is not difficult for these to be sent via spoofed packet	[19:03]
ascii_field	esp in 'orc' world	[19:04]
ascii_field	that would be a pretty lulzy way to screw with bitcoin folks, wouldnnit	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	mhm	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	the only reasonable conclusion here, from an outside eye, is that too much complexity is the problem. throughout.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	we need simpler shit.	[19:05]
ascii_field	this is indisputable.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	i think a lot of computing continued unchecked on a paradigm of "mom, look what ~I~ can do!!11"	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	lost souls still following it to this day.	[19:06]
*	ascii_field was informed, by a phriend, regarding ~why~ orc world often willingly routes blatantly spoofed packetz. it is uncommon, outside of usa and eu, for network peers to specify whether they are transit peering or just peering. and thereby cannot readily distinguish spoofed vs not.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	but it's fundamentally retared.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	it should be "mom, look what i don't need to do. chief among which, i don't need to go "mom, look what ican do.""	[19:06]
ascii_field	it is retarded. but sane folks, when haunted by the danger of 'wanna standardize things, have good engineering! here comes microshit, with standardz!' chose the retardation.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	the notion that good engineering = standards, by the way, is a specific bit of fucktardation not unlike "good flying machines have moving parts".	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	fuck you. that's not how this works.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	i get it, your only experience with movement comes from observing nature.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	doesn't make you less of an idiot.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	but as far as software, and computer programming generally, standards are actually the proof positive engineering failed.	[19:08]
ascii_field	wai wat	[19:08]
ascii_field	engineering failed when standard, e.g., screw pitches appeared ?!	[19:08]
ascii_field	it is when it ~began~	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	no, no.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ever read a math "technical manual" ?	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	"this is the standards of derivation work".	[19:09]
ascii_field	maths folks have the luxury of inescapable truths	[19:09]
ascii_field	engineers have to pick screw size.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	"we are the best practices body for functional analysis"	[19:09]
ascii_field	packet format. etc	[19:09]
ascii_field	incidentally there ~was~ a time when mathematical notations duked it out (newton's, if you recall, lost)	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	the things they have to pick in nature ARE AN IMPOSITION OF NATURE. the reason you need to pick screw sizes is because "your screw" shares its physical attributes with a different item of the same shape in the same place.	[19:10]
ascii_field	or, more recently, quaternions lost to matrices	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	this is not a matter of notation.	[19:10]
ascii_field	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << my attempt at enumerating 'what standards'	[19:10]
assbot	Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2NPAC )	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects. this attempt to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at the novel an dunexpected problem,	[19:11]
ascii_field	(note that i would not write this piece today, in the same way; not sure if type 5 exists in real life at all)	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	but imo it's quickly running out of steam	[19:11]
ascii_field	i kinda ran with the idea, here http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	yes, it's true that irl if i misplace the screw and then sit on it it'll puncture my ass.	[19:11]
assbot	Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX )	[19:11]
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mircea_popescu	it is when it ~began~ << yes, and engineering in "making real objects" sense is exactly that. but from this it does not follow that the same everywhere!	[19:12]
ascii_field	they are 'like screws' in the sense that two programs can only communicate if some provision for this was foreseen	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	it still doesn't follow that you should treat them like a nut and a bolt.	[19:13]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: if anything, there is ~less~ slack than with any physical screw	[19:13]
ascii_field	precisely ~because~ program is an ideal object, it is so unforgiving.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	so i'll condense this yet vague and uncoallesced and thus impractical notion in my head by saying : that a body of standards is where engineering starts with physical objects ; and the proof engineering failed with ideal objects.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i think that's an undefined result of an out of domain operation you're choosing to interpret a certain way.	[19:14]
ascii_field	i wrote more or less this, long ago, in a different formulation :	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	like, ask engineer "what's the result of dividing apple by orange ?" "zero" sort of thing	[19:15]
ascii_field	'if there appears to be more than one way to solve programmatic problem, your priors are crap'	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	aha!	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	myeah, they are off the same core.	[19:15]
ascii_field	just like there is not, rightfully, more than one correct way to subtract 1 from an integer of a known size.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	exactly this is at issue. what "competing language spaces" for crying out loud. explain to me the "competition" to be had between waveform and heisenberg notation already.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[19:16]
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mircea_popescu	tbh the standard is : if you want to make a "new language" and you don't have written code that transforms WITHOUT ERROR all other programs in all other languages to yours, you do not have a lnaguage.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field `	[19:17]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[19:17]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the above is kinda why i laugh at all the non-sexpr languages.	[19:17]
ascii_field	bbl	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field see basically, standard AS A THING even exist because	[19:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24731 @ 0.00067788 = 16.7647 BTC [-] {3}	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	there was the need to interpose an ideal layer between actual items and human industry.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	which then had to interface with reality, and the whole subject of "ecology" is essentially trying to deal with one particular suite of bugs in this interfacing. which, incidentally, we know on good authority will NEVER be perfect.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	but then to go on the strength of this and interpose "an ideal layer" between ideal objects an human industry is simply runaway complexity. because zero one infinity, once you got two you got an infinity and in practice everyone seems to end up trying to juggle an ever-approaching infinity number of balls.	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	this stupidraven has come back to roost, where brainfried derps without a working interposed ideal layer are claiming the ideal object they fail to interfacr with is "really a real object nao".	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	which, lord have mercy.	[19:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00069632 = 17.3384 BTC [+] {3}	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C	[19:25]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 13:47:14; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.	[19:25]
assbot	Felix C - Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCalsm )	[19:25]
mats	http://www.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-watches-as-chinese-navy-ships-sail-in-bering-sea-1441216258	[19:30]
assbot	Five Chinese Navy Ships Are Operating in Bering Sea Off Alaska Coast - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaADT )	[19:30]
jurov	http://www.historiepocitacu.cz/samocinny-pocitac-sapo.html likewise	[19:30]
assbot	Samočinný počítač SAPO \| Historie počítačů v Československu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaCM4 )	[19:30]
jurov	(relay computer cuz vacuum tubes were hard to get, with built in fault tolerance)	[19:31]
mats	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/1/putin-seeks-dump-dollar-regional-trade/	[19:32]
assbot	Vladimir Putin seeks to dump the dollar in regional trade - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaJHj )	[19:32]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << i'm not, as it happens, though this is definitely the exception, at least at the 'reform' level (most secular) and in this part of the world. credit goes to my completely secular father for wanting to give me an alibi. y'know. just in case.	[19:40]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	ahaha crazy.	[19:42]
pete_dushenski	a cord, which, yes, i would pull if needed. there are better causes to die for. better causes to be a martyr for.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dude. by the time being romanian's a crime in itself i have very little interest left in doing anything but killing people indiscriminately.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	what better cause ?	[19:42]
pete_dushenski	there's that too	[19:43]
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pete_dushenski	which makes one wonder why ~more~ americans aren't killing people indiscriminately.	[19:44]
mats	lol, dong inspection as proof of jewry	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	plenty are huh.	[19:45]
pete_dushenski	given : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/crime-of-being-american.jpg	[19:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JCbPmD )	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	mats you are perhaps too young to remember, but this is STILL DONE	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	to the pope.	[19:45]
mats	the indignity of an old cardinal inspecting your cock.	[19:45]
pete_dushenski	dignity ! (tm)	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	by the time yoiu're that old, more women held your cock to pee than to suck it anyway	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	i would guess pope's used to it.	[19:46]
BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-missouri-right-to-farm-doesn-t-cover-marijuana/article_eba50d05-6bc4-562f-8251-e79ad766e736.html	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	brought to you by the "she's a whore anyway, what rape" department of legal thinking.	[19:47]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: 'right to farm' recalls 'right to repair' (cars)	[19:48]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Last election cycle it joined the Missouri state consitution's bill of rights	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo how exactly can judge go "wait it doesn't include x" ?	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	to which vw/audi famously responded "ok fuck you amerikans zen, ve vill not pahblish ze manuels for AYNEEBODY"	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	who specifically asked him.	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	not even their own dealers	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	so dealers would look at obd-ii codes and have nfi what they meant	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	only learning through trial and error	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00070084 = 14.7527 BTC [+] {3}	[19:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Because words don't mean anything in 'Murica	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	"missouri constitution includes right to farm - this right doesn't include any actual activities ftr"	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	da fuck	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259720 << whole tradition there, starting with those dudes that cut off their sexual organs altogether.	[19:53]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 13:50:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su.	[19:53]
shinohai	So people in Missouri are basically just serfs.	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	Well, in all of USia	[19:54]
shinohai	Well, in a broad sense yes.	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259882 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SWaGfkPxA	[19:56]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 17:43:46; ascii_field: 'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold	[19:56]
assbot	The Confrontation - Les Misérables - 10th Anniversary Concert - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCcYKT )	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	^javert v. valjean	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	no one better than colm wilkinson as valjean	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	wilkinson is a total rockstar	[19:57]
*	pete_dushenski swoons, ever so slightly, ever so noticeably	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	dude check it out, next year's crop of "evasion technisuke crrrrreativity" will be rot13	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	this s/fon/phone/ substitit is so last century	[19:58]
pete_dushenski	lol we'll be installing r0t0linux soon	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	and USeA4tR Fr33BDSM	[20:00]
shinohai	Another fine example of DNM lulz: The throwaway account TOTALLY makes me invisible. https://redd.it/3jdsm8	[20:02]
assbot	reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnZdrb )	[20:02]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259966 << but gavin said storage was phree !	[20:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 20:41:48; mats: BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259764 << that is a bizarre interpretation.	[20:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 14:15:06; asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods	[20:03]
pete_dushenski	also, alf should send usgavin invoice for beefier bandwidth line. because 'bitcoin needs business services nao'	[20:04]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell jurov any daily update for coinbr ? inquiring minds and all that	[20:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259801 << therein lies the answer. 10 cents an hour (and it will be an hour of a top dollar recording studio, charging 1k an hour or some shit for use) is perfectly reasonable.	[20:08]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 14:36:08; kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	if the alternative costs $19 but breaks down once a day, the 1k one is cheaper.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	"UPDATE! PayPal has reversed their decision!" was the best part.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	"Now I happen to have a large enough domain portfolio that I have my own personal rep at Godaddy"	[20:13]
shinohai	!rated pete_dushenski	[20:13]
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assbot	You have not rated pete_dushenski.	[20:13]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 21:19:18; funkenstein_: for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/	[20:13]
shinohai	!rate pete_dushenski 1 Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs.	[20:13]
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shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.pete_dushenski.1:da8a7593454219e9202301e85f30fa13fa6578f82140f30e805bd03d632c2280	[20:14]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for pete_dushenski with note: Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs.	[20:14]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: you have other favourites ?! what is this, democristan where you can dabble a bit here and a bit there and figure that all's well ?!!	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259866 << this obviously being the only remaining value in that shithole : that soccer moms and aging clerks think "hey, it's in wikipedia" does something.	[20:14]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 17:22:41; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal	[20:14]
*	mircea_popescu is glad to see the downward spiral activated, will welcome a world with that excrement pile relegated to its proper corner.	[20:15]
shinohai	I can't just read contravex alone. I read constantly.	[20:15]
pete_dushenski	that's a point, i don't even have 5 years of archives in an obscure latin language for you to toil in until the end of your days	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	unlike...	[20:16]
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shinohai	I have yet to find a decent bitcoin-related blog in Spanish.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	i have yet to find anything intellectually stimulating in spanish. the thing's incredibly dead, last noteworthy anything happened apparently in the 1800s	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: because as stupid as english-speakers are today, this hasn't always been the case. whereas spanish, as mircea_popescu points out, has always been the language of slaves.	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	certainly in the americas	[20:18]
shinohai	I had yet to read him opine on Spanish.	[20:18]
shinohai	But yes, that is true.	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	as to spain proper, well, they still have a few museums of note, but other than that it's just doner kebab stands and beaches	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	ftr i dun hold the "always language of slaves" thing and omg if you're going to say what i said link to sauce!	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	odds are you'll remember it ever-so-slighty wrong and piss me off	[20:20]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: s/always/long then.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	no, seriously, it's a cornerstone of a functioning internal life : always have the source material at the ready.	[20:20]
shinohai	When I quote mircea_popescu on twitter, I generally always link here or to trilema.	[20:20]
*	assbot gives voice to ag3nt_zer0	[20:21]
shinohai	I will paraphrase on occasion though.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/b46e0ee242925ffdaf36955d51ed3ed7/tumblr_n27q4nqm1j1rjbi2lo1_500.jpg	[20:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JCfW1Z )	[20:21]
shinohai	I used to have that exact tile pattern in my bathroom.	[20:22]
shinohai	I hated it.	[20:22]
ag3nt_zer0	greetings	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	i just liked the stockings.	[20:23]
ag3nt_zer0	anyone have an opinion on paul craig roberts writings?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259883 << this sort of brain rot is pervasive of the certain empowered-nanny idiot that large state always collapses into. consider http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html	[20:24]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 17:44:35; ascii_field: '“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.'	[20:24]
assbot	I am able to move small objects with my mind. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo0TAZ )	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	"He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	or it could mean he fucvking forgot, or that he finds my body odour objectionable and wants to get out already	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	but i'm going with "knew wrong blablabla".	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838829 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2014#796935	[20:25]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2014 16:33:51; mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme	[20:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2014 04:13:32; mircea_popescu: i only talk spanish to my horse	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	the fundamental driver being the stupid woman in question's inferiority complex. she knows she's filth and she knows actual people wouldn't give her idiocy the time of day. which is "resolved" in her mind as "of course what everyone spends ever ymoment doing is thinking about my stupid shit. yes that's right i'm that central"	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	also relevant to the discussion, an exception ! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014#600239	[20:25]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2014 20:35:41; mircea_popescu: whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish!	[20:25]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Peoria Pays $125,000 in Satire Settlement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/peoria-pays-125000-in-satire-settlement/	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	try telling the us tax man that "you just never gave a shit about irs stuff"	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	see some very butthurt faces.	[20:25]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski much better!	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	you readily see how the first one was being sarcastic, re alf's complaints right ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	the second is a tongue in cheek reference to a famous quote	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	charles 5th, hre, said I speak Spanish to God, Italian to Women, French to Men, and German to my Horse.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	the spanish/german substitution was intended to be funny, to they familair with the classics.	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	totally, but within that must lie a grain of truth, or it wouldn't be funny !	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	(this , incidentally, is a large reason why classic texts are so commonly misunderstood by the layman - such as for instance shakespeare by tolstoy. there exists this device where a is replaced by b with the expectation on the part of the writer that the reader notices the substitution and holds it meaningful	[20:28]
shinohai	Now I am forlorn pete_dushenski because on more thought my housecleaner speaks Spanish. xD	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	a degradation of that expectation under the blessings of mass educationm is visible for instance in the very vulgar but sadly necessary habit of peppering ^H^H^H^H in the logs.	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	bbiab	[20:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260182 << from the very scant material, it appears to not differ meaningfully from ibm360	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 22:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it went into production in 1970	[20:31]
ag3nt_zer0	I do wonder if this type of scene has its foreign parallels or if it is largely a US phenomena: http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_i_joined.html	[20:32]
assbot	How I Joined Teach for America--and Got Sued for $20 Million by Joshua Kaplowitz, City Journal Winter 2003 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo1OBs )	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	that discussion you quoted was 69 iirc ?	[20:32]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	so it was already underway at that time.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	im not making any claims as to value or quality, mind.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	but yes, from what i can tell, it was not a straight clone	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	it was actually in part based on stolen us ip throughout the mid 60s, and in part on actually refined tube techs	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	(wasn't fully integrated)	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	but the romanians didn't much like the soviets. (if you recall, nixon visited in 69 etc)	[20:35]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: it is sop, and i know a fella personally who went into and then, a few years later, quit teaching school, for reasons not entirely unlike what was described in your link.	[20:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.0007022 = 28.4391 BTC [+]	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9L9iXJfx8 for lulz	[20:35]
assbot	President Nixon Visits Rumania (1969) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChBEx )	[20:35]
BingoBoingo	In other news further Mullenweg derp https://wordpress.org/support/topic/emoji-and-smiley-js-and-css-added-to-head	[20:37]
assbot	WordPress › Support » Emoji and smiley js and css added to head ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChHw6 )	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	whats the executive summary, girl wanted to fuck him, he said no, girls brother killed him ?	[20:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260257 << the whole site is classic crankbait	[20:38]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 23:11:23; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?	[20:38]
asciilifeform	!s crankbait	[20:38]
assbot	3 results for 'crankbait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crankbait	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259906 << totally!	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 18:15:54; punkman: the world doesn't know how the world works	[20:39]
asciilifeform	!s crank bait	[20:39]
assbot	22 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait	[20:39]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: ok thx... I was speaking generally to the atmosphere of the degenerate adult-fail of the contemporary populace in failing to take on their roles as mentors and superiors of the children, combined with these wretched inner-city armed guard metal detector ghetto schools...	[20:39]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-12-2014#944325 << see thread.	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 03-12-2014 23:20:00; asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: interfering with the men-to-monkey converter 'would be r4c1s7!!!!'	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259928 << ahaha that aas funny	[20:40]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 19:48:07; jurov: requires nano ~/.vimrc first	[20:40]
asciilifeform	usg needs steady supply of rabid monkeys for 101 different purposes.	[20:40]
ag3nt_zer0	just hard to imagine it being so bad sinc eus is lawsuit culture and leadingthis equality/entitlement movement	[20:40]
BingoBoingo	dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose. << It's from their forum. User asks why upgrade left them with a bunch of .js and Derpomatic says if you don't like it install a plugin	[20:41]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: monkeys are 'entitled' to your flesh and twelve generations'. this is in the konstitooshin or similar.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	somewhere.	[20:41]
ag3nt_zer0	haha	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no i meant ag3nt_zer0 s crop. i don't read the other fucktard but i know what he'sa saying anywa	[20:41]
BingoBoingo	ah	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259934 << this just means you suck.	[20:42]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 19:55:25; shinohai: We can't all have Stepford wives.	[20:42]
ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: hahah ok understandable	[20:42]
asciilifeform	from what i recall of the film, the wives were not appealing (imho)	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259941 << lmao they're not even different idiots.	[20:43]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 19:57:46; ascii_field: and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	you could run the entire "vc software industry" off of half a brain	[20:43]
asciilifeform	of a mouse	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform see, if i were to say "the appearance of best business practices is proof positive business as a going concern is dead" you'd see what i mean	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	yet with engineering this is not so.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck does anyone need "best business practices" ? and what do they need them FOR ?	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	"we want to break the law safely"	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	"how about you don't"	[20:44]
asciilifeform	the phrase is a nonsensical americanism, aha	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	"can't, it's too stupid"	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	"throw it out"	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	/glazeover	[20:44]
asciilifeform	but there are such things as double-entry bookkeeping, etc. which are reasonably traditional	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	and pointedly NOT that.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	let me put this question in its proper framing, harking back to the scholastic disputes of a millenium ago.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	who made the standard ? how did they know what to put into it ?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ?	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	are you son of god or son of man ?	[20:46]
asciilifeform	if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? << that's the magic moment where engineer typically understands (or worse, does not) that the standard is a hierarchical imposition, rather than an act of education like teaching a child to add and substract	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	reality may surprise and remain valid. thoughts may not. surprising thoughts are ipso facto invalid. which is why the destruction of engineering as an intellectual activity is covered in "creativity"	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	therre is no such thing as "creativity" in tech, and there's certainly no place for "women in tech" understood as monkeys.	[20:47]
asciilifeform	thought can legitimately surprise when sense replaces nonsense, rather than vice-versa	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	and i don't care how "raceis", "rapey" or whatever else the understanding of women as people is.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	(iirc 'v' even, surprised a few people)	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform unsurpisingly.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	l0l	[20:48]
asciilifeform	!b 7	[20:48]
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mircea_popescu	how did you pick the 7 i wanna know lol	[20:49]
asciilifeform	by pressing button.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has one too...	[20:49]
*	mircea_popescu has no idea where this convo starts	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	17, 299, however many lines ag	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	o	[20:49]
asciilifeform	re: the scholastic dispute of old times, i am reminded of 'the gate is closed' edict of islam	[20:50]
asciilifeform	which is blamed for the decline of arab culture in 16th c	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	i am unconvinced by any explanation of decline that reads different from "success brought abundance which made people complacent. the end."	[20:51]
asciilifeform	'gate of ijtihad'	[20:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is rather like writing 'stopped breathing' on death certificate. yes, accurate...	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	ijtihad is merely the arabic for "buck stops"	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	http://www.jstor.org/stable/162939?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents	[20:53]
assbot	JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjl0O )	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	or, from peanut gallery, http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2006/03/the_gate_of_ijt.html	[20:54]
assbot	Sic Semper Tyrannis : The Gate of Ijtihad ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjpgW )	[20:54]
asciilifeform	not having command of the language, i also lack a good source for this thing.	[20:54]
*	asciilifeform brb.	[20:55]
*	mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck asked anyone their fucking opinion omfg	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259982 << bwahahaha	[20:58]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 20:46:58; mats: >71% do not qualify for service	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	yet somehow qualified for life ?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	how? who actually believes this ?	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259992 >> i'm not even convinced he even for a second proposes that as factual. reads to me like alf's writing a novel in his spare time is all.	[20:59]
assbot	Logged on 02-09-2015 20:52:46; mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	shinohai try mod6 for camping, who knows.	[21:04]
*	shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating.	[21:06]
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mats	http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/21490-communist-china-dumps-us-debt-amid-economic-turmoil	[21:24]
assbot	Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUBTv )	[21:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00068515 = 4.0081 BTC [-]	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	lol communist	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	the us are the communists.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	"the dictatorship ruling mainland China"	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	CHINA DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CHINA SHOULD WORK SO THE WORLD CAN WORK LIKE WE WANT IT TO BECAUSE WE'RE IMPORTANT!111	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, they're barely selling 5%	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway, lulzy.	[21:33]
*	mircea_popescu has redominated all his real estate leases throughout the world into usd during the past ~year, so this should be fun indeed.	[21:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00068291 = 35.7162 BTC [-] {2}	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	(my own interpretation of reality being that china has decided there is no need of a us in the future, which would be implemented through a slow divestment so as to extract the maximal value possible out of their holdings. now that they've actually moved on it, they're not going to change course. which means 2010s are the last decade for the us.)	[21:36]
mats	we shall see	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00069995 = 19.8436 BTC [+]	[21:43]
mats	i rather like living in the US northeast and would like to put off my migration into cn for as long as possible	[21:44]
mats	mebbe i could move back to san jose and hope it survives as meta-cn	[21:47]
mod6	shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. << haha, wat?	[21:49]
mod6	i only like camping in the desert or in the west in general. "back east" sucks, too humid.	[21:50]
mod6	mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	to be noted, of course, that this "if you're poor enough to need to use our mnass transit, here is how you must sit" nonsense follows twenty-thirty years of "oh using cars is bad for the environment, when mass transit is just as good"	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	all the schmucks that BOUGHT INTO that now get this.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	and that's exactly how govt ploys work, ever since forever. in all cases.	[21:54]
mod6	yah, it's insane.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	be it rhodesia or http://trilema.com/2010/guvernul-de-alba-neagra/	[21:54]
assbot	Guvernul de alba-neagra on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCo42y )	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	be it anything and everything.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	then it's "since you need us, here's what you must do".	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	and if in facvt it is cheaper, that's only proof the government is taking in too much tax.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	"here's your flier advertising cheaper mass transit in lieu of taxes this year. fuck off."	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	somehow nobody ever thought to ask the self-proclaimed "bitcoin businesses" that nevertheless have 0 bitcoin income signing whatever ridicuolous proclamation HOW DO TYHEY INTEND TO PAY FOR IT.	[21:57]
mod6	the fact that the one guy didn't outright say to the other "fuck you." is totally limpdick pansy-ass bullshit.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	how is coinbase going to pay for big blocks. more tax money ? more fees ? what ?	[21:57]
trinque	mod6: stop mansplaining your manspreading, bro	[21:58]
shinohai	Simple, GAvin says merchants will mine to help pay tx fees.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	shinohai wioth money from whom ?	[21:58]
shinohai	*bigger blocks	[21:58]
shinohai	That's what I would like to know.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	mod6 fuck you maybe not the proper form, but "i want those season tickets back and after you've dropped them off do not say hi to me anymore."	[21:59]
mod6	if some vagina on the train told me to "watch my man spreding, i'd be like. ``fuck off, dickhead''" it's the only reasonable response you hvae left any more.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	which is to say, yes she's fat because she won't stop eating junk	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	but no she's not fat RIGHT NOW because of that.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	as orwell pointed out, stupid regulations always favour cockroaches.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	because that's how far apart the seats are,	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	you get this sort of nonsense.	[22:01]
mod6	i think that's next, bars between seats.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	maybe cages	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	fedex all the people!	[22:02]
mod6	they have these bus benches with them now. partly so you can't encroach on someone else, and partly to keep bums from sleeping on them.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	it works for cats, right ? so there is even science behind it!	[22:02]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> fedex all the people! << haha	[22:02]
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mod6	speaking of fat people. when I was at the statefair on monday, there was some time-dialation from the sheer increase to like 29 Solar Masses.	[22:05]
mod6	it was crazy	[22:06]
mod6	im actually like 293 years old now, i just look like im 35.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:06]
trinque	mod6: don't get that close to Gargantua	[22:06]
mod6	^	[22:07]
*	mod6 laughs	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	"us democracy has provedly brought the absolute worst solutions to all conceivable problems for the past 50 years. why would anyone not want it in their country!"	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	because srsly... anyone recall my argument re drugs legalisation ?	[22:07]
mod6	democracy for everyone! we will send you the diebold machines!	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	you have bad food legalisation atm. who isn't fat ?	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	rich people.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	q fucking ed.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	if drugs were legal, the only ones left standing would be idem.	[22:08]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Guilty Plea After Package Tracking Breaks Opsec in Darkmarket Drug Case - http://qntra.net/2015/09/guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec-in-darkmarket-drug-case/	[22:08]
mod6	yeah. true.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	but thye don't.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	but they won't.	[22:08]
mod6	it boggles the mind. i always look at other peoples carts at the grocery store.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	and then, salary will be, for 50% of the population, based on the going sprice.	[22:09]
mod6	the heaviest people always have 57 bags of pizza rolls, 28 hotpockets, 13 bags of cheesy poofs and 10 2 litre bottles of diet coke.	[22:09]
*	mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile everywhere kfc is going crazy advertising a ... 5 meat patty thing	[22:10]
mod6	lol.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	it looks like painted sponge, that meat.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260429 << the fuckers tried, in '89. went home with tail between legs, tank tread marks	[22:10]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 00:26:41; mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, who the fuck can eat them. it literally looks like 10x my daily meat intake, and im a consummate carnivore.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	alba-neagra << l0l!!	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	three card monte	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	about 50% of romania's foreign investment in the early 90s came from young colorful men plying that trade abroad.	[22:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00069995 = 12.9848 BTC [-]	[22:12]
mats	guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec << what an idiot crime. you gonna set up a stooge at the drop and hope he can outrun the black van?	[22:12]
asciilifeform	so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through << EXACTLY like that thing they have at airports, for briefcases 1!!1	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:14]
mod6	mircea_popescu: one thing about food in b-a, it's amazing how good /real/ food tastes! lol.	[22:14]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	mod6 yeah. hard to beat.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	tho they have nfi about dairy.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform burpees.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	!s no theorems to prove	[22:14]
assbot	1 results for 'no theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+theorems+to+prove	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform remember my mouse ?	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	it also had no theorems to prove.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode.	[22:15]
trinque	were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters	[22:15]
asciilifeform	works great.	[22:15]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all..	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	all cheese imported,a nd i have very specific cream and kefir/yogurt requirements.	[22:16]
mod6	ah	[22:16]
*	trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby	[22:16]
*	mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	'good farm' in usa is like good farm in pripyat'	[22:16]
asciilifeform	relative thing.	[22:17]
trinque	bullshit.	[22:17]
trinque	entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	by choice even!	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	hey asciilifeform how come you live in shitington, dc ?	[22:17]
trinque	I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that	[22:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: originally - family	[22:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: today - meatwot	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	and unoriginally ?	[22:17]
trinque	had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	wait trinque can milk ?!	[22:18]
trinque	sure, parents have 130 cows or so	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[22:18]
mod6	im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	mod6: i either do it or starve.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess.	[22:18]
trinque	I don't do it often, but I know my way around an udder, lol	[22:18]
mod6	asciilifeform: understandable.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl	[22:19]
trinque	asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	and i was like "go ahead, milk it!"	[22:19]
trinque	and make loads of bezzlars	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	obviously this can't be done	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	!up anono	[22:19]
asciilifeform	trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part	[22:19]
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trinque	asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya	[22:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market'	[22:20]
asciilifeform	or to work on 'in-demand things'	[22:20]
asciilifeform	or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.	[22:20]
trinque	sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something	[22:20]
asciilifeform	for other people's ideas, aha.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	no country for old alfs.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it"	[22:21]
asciilifeform	trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head.	[22:21]
trinque	I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting	[22:21]
asciilifeform	trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail	[22:23]
asciilifeform	minus all the good parts	[22:23]
mod6	worse even	[22:23]
asciilifeform	but i think i already told this story, long ago.	[22:24]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260497 << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result.	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.	[22:35]
mats	the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive	[22:37]
mats	and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken	[22:37]
asciilifeform	mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones	[22:39]
asciilifeform	e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop	[22:40]
asciilifeform	only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie'	[22:41]
asciilifeform	(with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own')	[22:41]
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asciilifeform	mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing	[22:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260502 << on what planet, in what alt-usa ?	[22:43]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit	[22:43]
asciilifeform	mcturd costs a dollar or two.	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	(with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins	[22:44]
asciilifeform	about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head.	[22:46]
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*	asciilifeform implodes. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260505	[22:50]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260473 << as if this helped on airplane	[22:51]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.	[22:51]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260453 << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car.	[22:52]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?)	[22:52]
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mats	mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno	[22:53]
mats	a buck and some change gets you ~350cals, 14g protein	[22:53]
asciilifeform	so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three	[22:53]
asciilifeform	mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	eaten a couplea times a day	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(or 'crisps' as they are called there)	[22:54]
asciilifeform	even cheaper than the american burger	[22:54]
asciilifeform	needs no cook, no heat.	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14497 @ 0.00069297 = 10.046 BTC [-]	[22:55]
asciilifeform	can be eaten while shitting, literally	[22:55]
asciilifeform	or walking, or whatever.	[22:55]
asciilifeform	they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner'	[22:55]
asciilifeform	everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever.	[22:56]
funkenstein_	compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value	[22:56]
asciilifeform	potatoes have to be prepared !!	[22:56]
mats	21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA?	[22:56]
asciilifeform	that means time away from the screen	[22:56]
funkenstein_	megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mats: no, but even in la.	[22:56]
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asciilifeform	mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically	[22:58]
asciilifeform	realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies	[22:59]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable	[22:59]
asciilifeform	because it is (part of the time) in motion.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	then - best train.	[22:59]
*	funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book	[23:00]
funkenstein_	*subway	[23:00]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable'	[23:00]
mats	sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc...	[23:00]
funkenstein_	hint: being able to close eyes is a start	[23:02]
trinque	I loathe public transportation.	[23:03]
trinque	here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss	[23:03]
mats	21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes	[23:03]
trinque	really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him	[23:03]
asciilifeform	trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train	[23:03]
trinque	they don't enforce tickets very well	[23:04]
trinque	probably as some tacit matter of policy	[23:04]
funkenstein_	well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots	[23:05]
mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories	[23:06]
assbot	Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w )	[23:06]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do	[23:06]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: i did, when i did	[23:06]
trinque	parking's probably hell around there	[23:07]
asciilifeform	trinque: where ?	[23:07]
trinque	nearabouts DC	[23:07]
asciilifeform	trinque: depends very much where	[23:07]
funkenstein_	mats, looks like morale is high :)	[23:07]
asciilifeform	trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking	[23:07]
asciilifeform	going on 90%	[23:07]
trinque	ah not bad	[23:07]
mats	MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training)	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.	[23:09]
*	asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	speaking of, brb!	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	take that away, having towns is a waste of everyone's time.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse.	[23:15]
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ag3nt_zer0	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260597 << changing?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI3Nya5L9g	[23:17]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:42:49; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.	[23:17]
assbot	Inflation Propaganda Exposed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOnQcB )	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. << ro anecdote. many years ago /me went to pick up new slavegirl, decided on train for return trip. rented out whole compartment. upon entering ordered girl to strip and masturbate. cue VERY amazed train conductor guy checking tickets, level with and two feet away from rubbed clit.	[23:17]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ?	[23:19]
assbot	Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w )	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	i won't ask about "stupid"	[23:19]
mats	i dunno.	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	like, what their mother's name was and employment history and whatnot	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully.	[23:23]
mod6	everyone has these id cards?	[23:24]
mod6	or just gov?	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	everyone.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	so... of necessity.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse".	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	(the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.)	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things.	[23:28]
mod6	oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	it's going to happen, of necessity.	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00069348 = 32.975 BTC [+]	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable.	[23:30]
trinque	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/02/russias-involvement-in-syria-might-be-ramping-up/ << more rumors and mumbling	[23:34]
assbot	Russia’s involvement in Syria might be ramping up - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOoU04 )	[23:34]
mod6	are you still trying to find MSM articles on that? i dug one up from bbc earlier...	[23:34]
trinque	yeah, but all they're doing is acknowledging the rumors from elsewhere	[23:34]
mod6	dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside.	[23:36]
mod6	not.	[23:37]
mod6	what a scam	[23:38]
trinque	never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once.	[23:38]
trinque	though I have not lived very long	[23:39]
pete_dushenski	trinque: 'may you live in interesting times'	[23:40]
pete_dushenski	trinque: also, what are you, 25 ? 30 ?	[23:40]
trinque	these are interesting but... slow!	[23:40]
trinque	everything crawls, maybe due to the attention span of the modern media consumer	[23:41]
trinque	28	[23:41]
pete_dushenski	ah nice	[23:41]
pete_dushenski	and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades	[23:42]
pete_dushenski	while some governments or currencies or infrastructure items may fail, it'll be a series of events, not all at once	[23:42]
pete_dushenski	well, it ~is~ a series of events, and we're witnessing it	[23:42]
trinque	mhm, as mircea_popescu noted re: chinese selling of us bonds	[23:43]
pete_dushenski	what it would be like to live in an age when ~everything~ seems to be improving, may we one day find out, but that will be a long day from today	[23:43]
trinque	hell I'd just like to watch it rip loose	[23:43]
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mircea_popescu	!up dgenr8	[23:43]
-assbot-	You voiced dgenr8 for 30 minutes.	[23:43]
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pete_dushenski	probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score	[23:44]
pete_dushenski	trinque: you dionysian you	[23:44]
mats	sociopath.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: read '50s e.g., 'popular mechanics' sometime	[23:44]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: surreal experience	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing.	[23:44]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies	[23:45]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: i bet!	[23:45]
trinque	mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	once that was on the table, the country shot up.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.	[23:46]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	instead, we have idiot poor and imbecile rich	[23:46]
asciilifeform	these form the 'mcfood' and 'hippie' segments respectively.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	however created, this is how it works.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school.	[23:48]
trinque	my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing	[23:48]
*	pete_dushenski just had a moment imagining taxation that wasn't ~distributive~ but actually for summun bonum	[23:48]
trinque	you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it	[23:49]
asciilifeform	i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them.	[23:49]
trinque	granted a small percentage of people actually need it (celiacs, etc)	[23:49]
trinque	but it's more "filler" than mcd's	[23:49]
asciilifeform	trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ?	[23:49]
asciilifeform	*where	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.	[23:49]
trinque	I dunno, but I do know someone who shits blood when she eats bread	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	so right now if you're a spanish speaker salt is white death still.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	trinque: since birth ?	[23:50]
trinque	yeah	[23:50]
trinque	mircea_popescu: translating lol. I knew an Argentine chick; she did exactly this, and was supposed to be intellectual because of it	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	and high class of course.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	(/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs)	[23:51]
trinque	oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s	[23:51]
trinque	asciilifeform: shits blood and barfs with any wheat product	[23:51]
asciilifeform	also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor'	[23:51]
trinque	I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	what you do, asciilifeform .	[23:51]
asciilifeform	wtf, i'm actually poor	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:51]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i developed gluten intolerance (not dissimilar to lactose intolerance as an experience) as an adult. why ? monsanto ? youthful rebellion against grain-growing ancestors ? who knows	[23:52]
asciilifeform	having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc	[23:52]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: this, as i understand, is typical. you can give yourself an intolerance for just about anything, by avoiding it	[23:52]
asciilifeform	serious multi-decade vegetarians will have problems digesting meat (at least for a while)	[23:53]
trinque	folks with celiacs will actually scar the lining of their intestines eating gluten	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress."	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	well...	[23:53]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts	[23:53]
asciilifeform	trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ?	[23:53]
trinque	asciilifeform: I don't know the mechanism, but I've seen the bloody shits.	[23:54]
pete_dushenski	trinque: on instagram ?	[23:54]
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trinque	my fetishes are my business	[23:54]
trinque	in person!	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either	[23:54]
asciilifeform	trinque: nor autism	[23:54]
pete_dushenski	aids	[23:54]
trinque	again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point	[23:55]
asciilifeform	^	[23:55]
trinque	perhaps the immune system gets irritated, marks the gluten instead of whatever else	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ?	[23:55]
trinque	or it and the other thing	[23:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is a thing, i saw it alive.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[23:55]
pete_dushenski	trinque: good chance it's correlation, yes	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	trinque did person ever had homebaked bread ?	[23:57]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260761 << ftr. this is an abysmal a definition of 'poverty' as whatever gov metric, '>50% spent on room and board' or whatever	[23:57]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 02:49:46; asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc	[23:57]
trinque	mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge. it'd be a good experiment	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	if they're up to experimentation.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: very nearly 50	[23:58]
trinque	she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm	[23:58]
trinque	all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life"	[23:58]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: but moreover, 'poor' is a matter of emotion strictly. a brick cannot be poor.	[23:58]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says !	[23:59]
mod6	i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	because brick has 100% of what he wants.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich;	[23:59]
pete_dushenski	mod6: such nonsense	[23:59]
trinque	I dunno; prices are good information	[23:59]
pete_dushenski	^	[23:59]
trinque	why would someone who knew enough about money to keep it ignore those	[23:59]
asciilifeform	did not say 'ignore'	[23:59]
asciilifeform	again, like the clock	[23:59]

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