Forum logs for 02 Feb 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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Bugpowder	Just when I reach the depths of despair... Someone starts buying bitcoins again.	[00:06]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	methinks you're maybe too emotionally invested ?	[00:07]
Bugpowder	its a highly leveraged position	[00:08]
Bugpowder	though, if I lost it all, I'd still be up 30% from Jan 1.	[00:08]
Bugpowder	so	[00:08]
Bugpowder	in bitcoin terms	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[00:08]
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Chilca	mircea_popescu: Your order to BUY 4056 S.DICE @market price has been received and will be processed.	[00:09]
Chilca	mircea_popescu: assbot do not show it	[00:09]
Bugpowder	mpex was seriously fucked up this morning	[00:11]
Namworld	yeah	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[00:11]
Bugpowder	2pm UTC	[00:11]
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Chilca	mircea_popescu: should I try again?	[00:12]
gesell	wow, welcome back to the real world bcEUR (exchange finally not giving as many arbitrage opps)	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[00:13]
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Gregoriano	happy to be a SDICE shareholder and put the tuition of my kids in safe hands	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	haha now that's a point	[00:15]
Gregoriano	;)	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	hm, is assbot dead ?	[00:15]
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gesell	Gregoriano: dividends paid up?	[00:15]
Namworld	poor jcpham. So am I	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	MPEx ‏@MPEx1	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	13`014 S.MPOE @ 0.00065051BTC = 8.46573714BTC (= 175.24 USD). 11 #trade #bitcoin #btc #stocks	[00:15]
jcpham	i'm just watching the show i guess	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	i think assbot is ded.	[00:16]
Gregoriano	Just became a shareholder. Not sure if I need to wait a full month or will dividends will be pro rated	[00:16]
jcpham	no comment on the bitcoin goblin that is satoshidice	[00:17]
Namworld	Gregoriano: you get full dividend if you're the one holding the share at the time of dividend	[00:17]
jurov	!ticker m s.dice	[00:17]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00711968 / 0.00733749 / 0.00739499 (107244 shares, 786.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00724625 / 0.0075 (679325 shares, 4,922.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00482134 / 0.0075 (6567424 shares, 31,663.79 BTC)	[00:17]
Namworld	So you should get a full dividend in the next days	[00:17]
jcpham	although i called it a goblin, so that's a comment	[00:17]
Gregoriano	@Namworld, wow, that's great	[00:17]
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Gregoriano	@Namworld that's great	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	mkay, the good news is the brightest man i know has found a way to squeeze more out of less.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	update goes up in ~2 hours, hopefully we see at least a few weeks w/o anymore desyncs	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	by which time more ppl write more bots.	[00:19]
gesell	update to mpex?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:19]
jurov	will be desync to end all desyncs	[00:19]
gesell	lovely	[00:19]
Namworld	Is that sarcastic? If it is, all I can imagine is someone: Look... if I press harder... more lemon juice comes out.	[00:19]
gesell	no	[00:19]
gesell	it is lovely	[00:19]
jcpham	mircea_popescu scaling issues?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov yea, finally creating that singularity.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	jcpham you have no idea i tell you. i bet there's pools that do less hashes than mpex does txs	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	i am mining!	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	on cpus	[00:20]
jcpham	mine em' into the ground that's what i say	[00:20]
jcpham	screw the backups	[00:20]
jurov	i told you, mpex works on multiverse & miltidimensional scale	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	o, yea, i hope you all have mpex back-ups right ?	[00:21]
jcpham	when it's over. call the bitcoins gifts	[00:21]
jcpham	terrible humor. try to keep mpex running though for sure ;)	[00:22]
Bugpowder	;;ticker	[00:23]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 21.08910, Best ask: 21.09970, Bid-ask spread: 0.01060, Last trade: 21.09970, 24 hour volume: 45928.75755893, 24 hour low: 20.40000, 24 hour high: 21.13000, 24 hour vwap: 20.74014	[00:23]
Bugpowder	RALLY ON, WAYNE	[00:23]
Bugpowder	that's it, I'm turning the sound on	[00:23]
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Bugpowder	oops	[00:25]
Bugpowder	rally off	[00:26]
Bugpowder	new wall	[00:26]
Bugpowder	sneaky bastards	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22074 @ 0.00065051 = 14.3594 BTC [-]	[00:27]
Namworld	price is already through the roof	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	lol Bugpowder is going to have a child with this rally	[00:29]
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Bugpowder	mpex might be desynced again	[00:33]
Bugpowder	order executed but is not showing up	[00:33]
Bugpowder	in stat or web	[00:33]
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jurov	well... now everyone go to coinbr and issue orders furiously :D	[00:35]
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DeadWeasel	zeroconfirmations.com I think this is a great URL for a bitcoin blog.	[00:39]
StarenseN	-s	[00:39]
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Bugpowder	dispair	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	mkay	[00:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 46 @ 0.0099 = 0.4554 BTC [+]	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	slightly more advanced dos-thing	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
jurov	eh?	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
Namworld	I see a bot eating 5 S.DICE at a time	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
JohnGalt	skynet it has begun	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	heh	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	this will be painful.	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:55]
JohnGalt	I surrender	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
Namworld	nein nein nein nein nein nein nein nein nein	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
*	Namworld smacks the bot	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
Bugpowder	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	lol who was complaining about trades not going through ?	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
JohnGalt	whoever writes after me is dumb	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	you see nao	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
evoorhees	HFT!!! :)	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
Namworld	So...	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	we are very synced nao	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
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Namworld	You get 0.2% of each sale so...	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065938 = 7.6818 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
JohnGalt	$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	they're not diff sales. just the same batch re-reported	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5 @ 0.00739499 = 0.037 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.19864392 BTC [-]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.20174645 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00065938 = 8.7038 BTC [+]	[00:57]
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jurov	haha	[00:57]
Bugpowder	I bought those calls actually	[00:57]
evoorhees	did assbot get kicked?	[00:57]
jurov	yes	[00:57]
Bugpowder	and only 1 of each was on sale	[00:57]
Namworld	BOOM	[00:57]
Bugpowder	UH OH	[00:58]
Bugpowder	To certify that the aforementioned holds as of the quoted time the following with MPEx : To which add orders in the book fully paid in advance : To which add sums deposited as surety for 4th Friday settled option and future contracts :	[00:58]
Namworld	Die, bot, die	[00:58]
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jurov	Bugpowder got pwned	[00:58]
Namworld	or is it bort? or Bart?	[00:58]
jurov	Bugpowder not really, next stat should be normal	[00:58]
Namworld	Mine is normal	[00:59]
JohnGalt	are you the s.dice guy evoorhees? fill up your wallet I wanna play 0.1 on 64000x :P	[00:59]
Namworld	no, you must bet on the house	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	ok let's try this again	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	anyone want to buy/sell 1 share of something ?	[01:01]
Namworld	I'll do	[01:01]
evoorhees	JohnGalt... the max bet for that is .0783 right now	[01:02]
evoorhees	if you win, I'll hunt you down!	[01:02]
JohnGalt	I want to be they guy who won 130k dollarz, not 100k, will it go back to 0.1?	[01:02]
Namworld	long term, the 64000x has as much chance earning money for SD	[01:03]
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mircea_popescu	ok, go for it Namworld	[01:04]
Bugpowder	My holdings are back	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	hum this isn;'t reporting ;/	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1 @ 0.01499986 BTC [-]	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	o wait	[01:05]
Namworld	It is	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	aha!	[01:05]
Namworld	assbot wasn't in here	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	okay. totally different configuration of shit engaged.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	this should really work much better. we see.	[01:06]
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jurov	you can perhaps allow HTTP/1.1 pipelined requests now :DDD	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	o, no, i'll enjoy last summer-style peace and quiet for at least a few days	[01:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00065092 = 12.042 BTC [+]	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00065092 = 12.042 BTC [+]	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00065092 BTC [+]	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00065092 BTC [+]	[01:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00065092 BTC [+]	[01:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00064937 = 3.0845 BTC [-]	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10985 @ 0.00064927 = 7.1322 BTC [-]	[01:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [+]	[01:18]
pigeons	$20 is the new $20	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[01:19]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 20.41001, Best ask: 20.48000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06999, Last trade: 20.41001, 24 hour volume: 50513.17507919, 24 hour low: 20.40000, 24 hour high: 21.13000, 24 hour vwap: 20.72567	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4 @ 0.00065092 = 0.0026 BTC [+]	[01:20]
Guest7347	!ticker h sdice	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.70500000 / 0.7714362 / 0.89000000 (522 shares, 402.68969702 BTC), 7D: 0.55000001 / 0.72723107 / 0.89000000 (1489 shares, 1082.84706155 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.53753253 / 0.89000000 (6278 shares, 3374.62925095 BTC)	[01:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6512 @ 0.00064927 = 4.228 BTC [-]	[01:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2288 @ 0.00064855 = 1.4839 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2288 @ 0.00064855 = 1.4839 BTC [-]	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	great, now we have echo	[01:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00739201 = 11.088 BTC [-]	[01:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 8500 @ 0.00739499 = 62.8574 BTC [+]	[01:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 8500 @ 0.00739499 = 62.8574 BTC [+]	[01:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.00064855 = 6.2559 BTC [-]	[01:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13842 @ 0.00064852 = 8.9768 BTC [-]	[01:26]
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Ukto	echo	[01:27]
Ukto	btw	[01:27]
Ukto	mircea_popescu	[01:27]
Ukto	did you see bitfunders new favicon ?	[01:27]
Ukto	:P	[01:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00739499 = 3.6975 BTC [+]	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i hadn't	[01:27]
jurov	favicom omg. coinbr has favicon too. hand drawn by myself :D	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.77 = 3.85 BTC [-]	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 40 @ 0.765 = 30.6 BTC [-]	[01:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14008 @ 0.00064852 = 9.0845 BTC [-]	[01:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5942 @ 0.00064763 = 3.8482 BTC [-]	[01:31]
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gesell	how does https://bitfinex.com/pages/stats determine its bear bull index?	[01:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00728888 = 7.2889 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00728887 = 1.0933 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00728887 = 1.0933 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00721781 = 2.8871 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00721781 = 2.8871 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 805 @ 0.00065092 = 0.524 BTC [+]	[01:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.0006554 = 8.397 BTC [+]	[01:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00064872 = 0.5112 BTC [-]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006588 = 2.8467 BTC [+]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54892 @ 0.00065881 = 36.1634 BTC [+]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7581 @ 0.00066031 = 5.0058 BTC [+]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.0006619 = 18.2684 BTC [+]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3432 @ 0.00066304 = 2.2756 BTC [+]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1386 @ 0.00066523 = 0.922 BTC [+]	[01:44]
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mjr_	hi everyone	[01:46]
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makomk	malaimo markedathome maximian midnightmagic mircea_popescu mjr_ mod6 molecular	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	hi mjr_	[01:47]
mjr_	i created an online presentation	[01:48]
mjr_	https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZviIIaT7_kYzdaUloyR05La2M/edit?usp=sharing	[01:48]
mjr_	it briefly explains bitcoins in what i hope is easy to understand terms	[01:48]
mjr_	i was hoping that a few people would take a quick skim and let me know if there are any glaring errors	[01:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 145 @ 0.00739499 = 1.0723 BTC [+]	[01:50]
mjr_	has anyone used bitinstant?	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	can you put it somewhere in a text format ? pastebin maybe ?	[01:51]
mjr_	and are they worthwhile? i am interested in the cash deposit method	[01:51]
mjr_	hmmm, might be able to but it is slides...would pdf work?	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[01:51]
mjr_	its a google doc right now...i figured everyone could read it easily	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	bitinstant is solid as far as i hear.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	hello ShaTwo	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	everyone, this is the bitmillions guy.	[01:52]
ShaTwo	jeje..	[01:53]
ShaTwo	Hi everybody..	[01:53]
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ShaTwo	we just launched today… http://bitmillions.com	[01:54]
Namworld	the private key decrypts and the public key encrypts? I was certain it was the other way around.	[01:54]
ShaTwo	Love to ear comment on the site..	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	depends what you're doing	[01:54]
Namworld	for bitcoin transactions	[01:54]
Namworld	not receiving private messages	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	tbh i have no idea	[01:55]
mjr_	i mean the messages are not really encrypted	[01:55]
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mjr_	you are signing the message with the key	[01:55]
mjr_	but i did not want to get into very small dettail	[01:55]
mjr_	since i am assuming a non techie audience lol	[01:55]
Namworld	yeah, but it says the public key encrypts and can be given, and private key unencrypt and must be kept private	[01:56]
mjr_	but in order to send an encrypted message...i would encrypt it using your public key, you would be the only one able to read it	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	tbh, i thought you're signing with their public key.	[01:56]
Namworld	should be private key sign transactions and must be kept private	[01:56]
Namworld	public key verify signature and can be given publicly	[01:56]
mjr_	yes...that is how bitcoin works...i think that section was more about cryptography in general	[01:56]
mjr_	but i can update it to show how it is used in this instance	[01:57]
mjr_	i wanted to explain public key cryptography in as simple terms as possible	[01:57]
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mjr_	which is pretty tough	[01:57]
mjr_	especially because i don't want to say "trust me, it works"	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	"math"	[01:58]
mjr_	yes lol	[01:58]
mjr_	but overall pretty clear and readable?	[01:59]
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mjr_	i'm working on getting bitcoins accepted on this other site too	[02:00]
mjr_	a binary options site	[02:01]
kakobrekla	url?	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065619 = 2.8354 BTC [-]	[02:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7073 @ 0.00065606 = 4.6403 BTC [-]	[02:05]
Ukto	ShaTwo: damn you	[02:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00065606 = 7.6759 BTC [-]	[02:06]
Ukto	your system is very similar to one I have in the works lol	[02:06]
Ukto	and you have a nice site :)	[02:06]
ShaTwo	Ukto: jeje… really?	[02:06]
Ukto	yeah	[02:06]
Ukto	mine wasnt on a per block basis	[02:06]
Ukto	but very similar	[02:07]
Ukto	pm ? :)	[02:07]
ShaTwo	Sure	[02:07]
mjr_	ShaTwo: omg the coins falling is loud	[02:11]
mjr_	lol	[02:11]
ShaTwo	mjr_: LOL	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	ShaTwo you totally have to make your wot	[02:13]
mjr_	i was like "what the..."	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	;;register	[02:13]
gribble	(register []) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. Optional argument tells us where to get your public key. By default we look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, (1 more message)	[02:13]
ShaTwo	mircea_popescu: I will… I didn't sleep in 40 hours … so I will leave for tomorrow :)	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	some sleep is required.	[02:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00066321 = 2.9844 BTC [+]	[02:14]
mjr_	the site looks good ShaTwo	[02:15]
ShaTwo	Thanks :)	[02:16]
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pigeons	http://i45.tinypic.com/o10irs.jpg	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder quick! it's collapsing!	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00066511 = 2.86 BTC [+]	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1496505#msg1496505	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	anyone seen that ?!	[02:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00066457 = 9.1046 BTC [-]	[02:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8727 @ 0.00065606 = 5.7254 BTC [-]	[02:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00065375 = 19.9721 BTC [-]	[02:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00732211 = 36.6106 BTC [-]	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3566 @ 0.00064763 = 2.3094 BTC [-]	[02:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 660 @ 0.00732211 = 4.8326 BTC [-]	[02:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00721781 = 1.7323 BTC [-]	[02:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.0098 = 0.0882 BTC [-]	[02:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.007395 = 1.479 BTC [+]	[02:30]
Namworld	Wow. That's a huge crash. 2% under face value	[02:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3592 @ 0.00064763 = 2.3263 BTC [-]	[02:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13208 @ 0.00064703 = 8.546 BTC [-]	[02:30]
drug_motor	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOCW6qHfKBw	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	lol .1 btc	[02:32]
jurov	Mining difficulty futures now on BitFunder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140608.0	[02:34]
Namworld	Anyone selling DMC shares?	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	a now this is interesting	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	This asset is available for shorting to anyone who provides collateral. Please inquiry on info@coinbr.com about doing so. Escrow at trusted third party is possible.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	that's kinda vague.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	so what's the collateral ?	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.765 = 7.65 BTC [-]	[02:37]
jurov	CoinBr.iDiff-O has 0.08 BTC/share, CoinBr.iDiff-E 0.15/share	[02:37]
jurov	its in description	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	aha so fixed.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	i think you meant 20th march said february in the btctalk post	[02:38]
jurov	no, iDiff-O expires in February	[02:38]
jurov	and iDiff-E in March	[02:38]
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mircea_popescu	o i c	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 34 @ 0.765 = 26.01 BTC [-]	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	how'd you fix the collateral level ? educated guess ?	[02:40]
jurov	yes, educated guess... hope i can come out with fixed rule in future	[02:40]
Namworld	Hey...	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	well im curious how this works out.	[02:40]
Namworld	I just discovered somethingawful while making a search for bitcoin related stuff...	[02:41]
pigeons	"Bitcoin still exists, and still provides comedy gold!"	[02:41]
Namworld	Seems those guys are aware of EVERYTHING happening in the Bitcoin community...	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00064703 = 5.985 BTC [-]	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	any good quotes ?	[02:43]
Namworld	Anyone ever thought of going there and sealing it? Seems like there's a trolls leakage.	[02:43]
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Namworld	Seems they're making fun of scams, Bitcoins and etc.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	haven't they been forever ?	[02:46]
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Namworld	Maybe, idk	[02:47]
Namworld	http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486823	[02:47]
Namworld	364 pages of bitcoin related posts and trolling	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	a cool	[02:48]
Namworld	and they're informed enough that some of them are probably lurking around bitcointalk.org posting inane content.	[02:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8003 @ 0.00065023 = 5.2038 BTC [+]	[02:48]
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jurov	yes someone wrote complaining blogpost about their troll activity on btctalk/reddit	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-january-2013-statement/	[02:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.007395 = 10.353 BTC [+]	[02:56]
jurov	dividends? or already sent?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	in a sec.	[02:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3078 @ 0.00065023 = 2.0014 BTC [+]	[03:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6964 @ 0.00065026 = 4.5284 BTC [+]	[03:00]
gesell	has sdice thought about becoming a payment processor as well so that it can take USD emmediately? of course it comes with the headache of other exchanges but with sdice's current exposure in the "real world" it might bring lots of new players aand new bitcoin users	[03:00]
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jurov	gesell, it would need casino license	[03:01]
jurov	if it touched usd	[03:01]
gesell	sorry	[03:01]
gesell	not usd	[03:01]
gesell	hmm	[03:01]
gesell	yeah guess that is out of the picture	[03:01]
gesell	rest of the world?	[03:01]
gesell	or maybe bitinstant or bitpay should have a sdice quick road	[03:02]
gesell	for the nonUS world	[03:02]
jurov	well, gambling is regulated almost everywhere.. easier just to stick to btc	[03:02]
gesell	guess its all messy. but just looking at how to reduce the barrier from a gambler hearing about sdice and bitcoin, and then going off to figure out how to get started	[03:03]
gesell	how do online gamblers say, in the EU, deal with this now? getting funds in i mean	[03:03]
jurov	i'm not gambler, just heard something about skrillex/liberty reserve/etc. basically, e-gold currencies.	[03:04]
Namworld	bank account transfer to one of the exchange... how hard is it, really	[03:05]
Namworld	one time setup and then you're set	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	gesell what would be the benefit ?	[03:06]
mjr_	yeah...bank account transfer	[03:07]
gesell	additional players	[03:07]
mjr_	$15	[03:07]
mjr_	then get the joy of paying the fee again on the reverse	[03:07]
mjr_	i hate banks	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	gesell ya but when you have a pizzeria doing great pizza	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	you don't start doing kebab just cause "more players"	[03:07]
mjr_	stick to making pizza	[03:07]
mjr_	good idea to have an easy inroad, but bad idea for them to touch USD	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1109 @ 0.00065026 = 0.7211 BTC [+]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3291 @ 0.00065679 = 2.1615 BTC [+]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3291 @ 0.00065679 = 2.1615 BTC [+]	[03:08]
gesell	mircea_popescu: all true. but if you might contemplate how to make it easier for people that hear your pizza is great but dont come because the path seems complex, to make it less complex	[03:08]
Namworld	lol... almost no fees for Bitcoins. It's fund when you eliminate all the regulations/employees burden on transactions.	[03:08]
mjr_	i know	[03:08]
Namworld	It's fun*	[03:08]
mjr_	i look forward to the day you can get a home loan in bitcoins	[03:09]
jurov	gesell, be assured they did contemplate. i did too	[03:09]
mjr_	maybe using the contracts feature of bitcoin	[03:09]
jurov	but it's too big hassle to deal with fiat in realtion to gamblin and securities. i	[03:09]
jurov	but it's too big hassle to deal with fiat in realtion to gamblin and securities. i'm glad i don't have to	[03:09]
jurov	derp	[03:10]
mjr_	yeah...avoid the regulation as much as possible, you would probably lose money because of the compliance requirements	[03:10]
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mjr_	that is one of the reasons sdice and the others are doing so well, super low overhead, and easy transfer in and out	[03:10]
mjr_	i am going to try bitzino for the first time :)	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1030 @ 0.00065679 = 0.6765 BTC [+]	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2789 @ 0.0006568 = 1.8318 BTC [+]	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2789 @ 0.0006568 = 1.8318 BTC [+]	[03:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.765 = 8.415 BTC [-]	[03:12]
gesell	if i had the exposure that sdice is getting i'd start to try to find ways measure the effect of bitcoin-user-bootstrap friction and process, and then reweigh the hassel of dealing with fiat depending on number of users. I mean consider the profit that MTGox makes and they have to deal with this hassel, and the profits SDice has. the question is if reduced friction for fiat entry to btc to sdice would add a logrythmic increase in profits...	[03:12]
gesell	i guess he's more focused on stability at the moment, which is fare	[03:12]
gesell	but i'd still contemplate if this friction could be measured	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	sdice actually makes significantly more than mtgox neh ?	[03:13]
gesell	mircea_popescu: i think so	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	so then ? why fuck with it	[03:13]
pigeons	i smell a biz school grad	[03:14]
gesell	because someone else might. because you are going to have competitors coming in that have dealt with fiat hassels for a long time and now adding btc	[03:14]
jcpham	smells like reggae music	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	so if anyone cares im curling that sa thread and will post it w/o all the cruft	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	possibly adnotated or i dunno	[03:14]
pigeons	smells like old liquor when we're out of teen spirits	[03:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065662 = 2.8373 BTC [-]	[03:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4279 @ 0.0006568 = 2.8104 BTC [+]	[03:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064739 = 2.7974 BTC [-]	[03:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00064704 = 4.5804 BTC [-]	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	ahh i like the new mpex.	[03:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2413 @ 0.00064713 = 1.5615 BTC [+]	[03:19]
jurov	mpoe-pr meets somethingawful? now that would be something	[03:20]
Namworld	I don't see any difference	[03:20]
mjr_	omg, i love bitzino	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	sed -e :a -e 's/<[^>]*>//g;/	[03:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.007395 = 2.958 BTC [+]	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov they'd prolly ban her.	[03:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.7899999 = 3.16 BTC [+]	[03:23]
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gesell	noticing this small delay sometimes in bitzino blackjack where after i "stand" and the dealer contemplates what he does there is sometimes a long pause, sometimes not. could be nothign but reminds me of an article 10 years ago in 2600mag where someone saw something similar that indicated when when the dealer had 21. actually it would happen whenever it asked him if he wanted to buy insurance. there was a 5 second delay in the dialog if the dealer had 21.	[03:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1562 @ 0.007395 = 11.551 BTC [+]	[03:27]
Namworld	So, like.... 0.00000067 BTC per share this month for S.BBET?	[03:27]
gesell	the author worked out how to execute that advantage to make oodles	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	Namworld something tiny	[03:29]
gesell	up, and there is the article (from 2005, hack on paradisepoker.com) http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/2600/paradise_poker.txt	[03:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065661 = 2.8372 BTC [+]	[03:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8679 @ 0.0006568 = 5.7004 BTC [+]	[03:30]
jurov	only if i could derive something such from mpex glitches :P	[03:30]
jurov	so far i only gathered information it seems to use mysql :)	[03:32]
gesell	really? mpex? damn i would've thought mircea_popescu rolled with some textfile foo database like a boss	[03:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	teh webservers are lamps	[03:33]
Namworld	The lamps. Stack em.	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.7899999 BTC [+]	[03:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1786 @ 0.0006568 = 1.173 BTC [+]	[03:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00065983 = 0.0139 BTC [+]	[03:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00065984 = 3.7565 BTC [+]	[03:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00065984 = 3.7565 BTC [+]	[03:36]
gesell	sorry, but gonna paste this one on how the author worked out the advantage due to delay on insurance buy (when dealer has ace showing) and working out time required and money that could be made:	[03:36]
gesell	"The dealer will have an Ace as his up card approximately once every 13 hands. Four out of 13 times, the dealer will also have a 10 in the hole. This means that you would get to exploit this bug approximately four times every 169 hands (1/13 x 4/13). This translates to a 2.366 percent more favorable situation for the player. Without the exploit, you would expect to lose 56 cents for every $100 bet. So with the exploit, this translates to a 1.778 percent	[03:36]
jurov	gesell, do you know there was successful doublespend attack to satoshidice?	[03:37]
gesell	no, oh? nice	[03:37]
gesell	will go check btctalk	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	mk so where do i pastebin a 10mb textfile ?	[03:38]
pigeons	#eligius	[03:39]
kakobrekla	:DDDDD	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1908 @ 0.00064713 = 1.2347 BTC [-]	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2921 @ 0.00064704 = 1.89 BTC [-]	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.00064703 = 2.1307 BTC [-]	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.00064676 = 4.3191 BTC [-]	[03:40]
gesell	bitcoin is going to change the field of hacking as much as it does finance	[03:40]
jurov	lol. why not just put it on webserver?	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065949 = 2.8497 BTC [+]	[03:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11679 @ 0.00065984 = 7.7063 BTC [+]	[03:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11679 @ 0.00065984 = 7.7063 BTC [+]	[03:43]
mjr_	yeah that is true	[03:45]
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mjr_	security will be everything...	[03:45]
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gesell	many hackers find 0day and sit on it because publishing wont bring you more money and you already make enough to not care so much. and many companies are horrible about patching and fixing (looking at oracle/java and adobe/flash here). so you sit on it. so, lots of people in this field know that yeah they could pwn xyz companie, grab all the credit cards and then go sell them. but why deal with the hassel of the law. it just requires too much strategizin	[03:46]
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mjr_	anyone want seals with club referal?	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	i find it incredible these doods dedicated 2mn words to explaining why btc sucks to themselves.	[03:47]
mjr_	yeah, i think its always the funniest when people spend their time talking about things they don't like/ believe in....like r/atheism	[03:47]
gesell	so my point is there is going to be a lot more granularity between black market hackers and the norm, whereas today its a much larger jump mentally to go from one side of that to the other	[03:48]
mjr_	i'm not sure about that...i think most people who know linux don't mind doing some L33T haxor stuff now and then	[03:48]
mjr_	because one of the large motivations is curiousity...	[03:48]
mjr_	ok...no one wants referal bonus on seals with clubs...	[03:49]
gesell	your curosity doesnt end with the technology though. it starts to extend into manipulating feer and reaction to having their security and systems go to sht	[03:49]
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mjr_	that is a big leap i agree	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	dividend payment for S.BBET in total sum of 203984160 to a notional float of 3000000 has been issued on February 2, 2013, 1:49 am.	[03:50]
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mjr_	but being able to make something funny pop up on a coworkers screen is always fun	[03:50]
mjr_	i guess what i mean is that the motivation to HACK (gain access to a system that is not yours) and the motivations to STEAL are two very different things	[03:51]
gesell	mjr_: not really. its what drives people in this field, watching the reaction. my point is though that the step from watching something go to sht because it doesnt work or everyones passwords got dumped, to going to watching money go down the dube... the step between those too just got more granular	[03:51]
mjr_	sometimes you get people who have both motivations...sometimes they just have one	[03:51]
gesell	mjr_: yeah	[03:51]
mjr_	well, that's what i mean, a lot of people hack a system and just change the wallpaper...	[03:51]
gesell	that is what i mean, they are two different things with huge steps between them and the latter has some pretty clear motivations (black market mentality, edge of the law)	[03:52]
Namworld	mjr: what referall bonus?	[03:52]
mjr_	if you join the site...you can say someone referred you	[03:52]
mjr_	but i already joined	[03:52]
Namworld	yeah, but there's no bonus to join referred	[03:52]
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mjr_	yeah, i was offering to give someone here the money if they already had an account	[03:53]
Namworld	Well, BBET dividend got through	[03:53]
mjr_	ie. they could get the bonus	[03:53]
Namworld	2 BTC for the first month	[03:53]
mjr_	wow	[03:54]
mjr_	i've never seen a whole bitcoin	[03:54]
mjr_	i can imagine what that must be like though	[03:55]
mjr_		[03:55]
mjr_	one day i will finally get around these banks and get some cash on an exchange somewhere	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ stick around for when sdice or smpoe distribute	[03:56]
mjr_	i don't have shares :( yet	[03:56]
gesell	anyone can point me to some abitrage code that deals with volume in orderbooks (calculating prof based on volume of several bids/asks rather than just the lowest/highest which might be really really small bids)? would like to integrate this into the google abitrage spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AguYZ5-dWMgfdElhakdHQzhiQXp5emctdjZTNG9qaEE&gid=0	[03:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00065984 = 3.4675 BTC [+]	[03:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10645 @ 0.00066043 = 7.0303 BTC [+]	[03:56]
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smickles	;;ticker	[03:57]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 20.30200, Best ask: 20.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04799, Last trade: 20.35000, 24 hour volume: 50555.35614816, 24 hour low: 20.15000, 24 hour high: 21.13000, 24 hour vwap: 20.68153	[03:57]
Namworld	Anyone got DMC shares?	[03:57]
Namworld	I'd like to buy a few around 0.02ish	[03:58]
gesell	once i get the volume issue settled im going to start to code direct buy and sell code for each exchange, direcly into the mofo'ing spreadsheet ;)	[03:59]
gesell	get google to be my damn abitrage bot	[03:59]
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gesell	(and yeah, already sent the link before to the code, and will release publicly once it works)	[03:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1537 @ 0.00066043 = 1.0151 BTC [+]	[03:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00066139 = 5.5887 BTC [+]	[03:59]
mjr_	so you will have to open up accounts on each exchange?	[04:00]
gesell	mjr_: yeah	[04:00]
gesell	everyone says its not profitable. want to find out for myself and then just share the spreadsheet so everyone else can as well	[04:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9558 @ 0.00066523 = 6.3583 BTC [+]	[04:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2035 @ 0.00066572 = 1.3547 BTC [+]	[04:00]
gesell	kinda wanting to push it a bit... maybe we'll get close to NYSE where the closer your bot is to the exchange the better :)	[04:01]
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jurov	you'll have to move fiat someday between them, no?	[04:03]
gesell	jurov: totally. im thinking about this as i go	[04:03]
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mjr_	yeah, i think transaction fees are going to kill you	[04:04]
mjr_	if you could use liquidity rebates it might work	[04:04]
gesell	eh, not really. unless i need instant cash	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	ahh this sa forum thing is lol.	[04:04]
gesell	mjr_: what are liquidity rebates	[04:04]
mjr_	no i mean you would have paper gains, but then when you need to move it	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	they hate on the rota too. i had no idea.	[04:04]
gesell	what saa forum thing?	[04:05]
mjr_	usually if you put an order out on the books, thats just sitting there you are "adding liquidity"	[04:05]
mjr_	that is valuable, so on wall street...you get a rebate	[04:05]
Namworld	sa hates on EVERYTHING	[04:05]
mjr_	if you take someone else's offer you are "removing" liquidity	[04:05]
mjr_	so you pay a fee	[04:05]
gesell	aah	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	Namworld apparently.	[04:06]
gesell	mjr_: its not obvious to me if this is happening on btc exchanges. doesnt appear so	[04:06]
Namworld	It's about people who have nothing better to do than angst all day about everything.	[04:06]
mjr_	bitfloor did it	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	I'm actually developing a new respect for Mircea Popescu. He's so insufferable that I used to avoid reading anything he wrote but I've been reading his blog a bit lately and the man may be arrogant but he's not stupid. He thinks strategically and it will be kind of interesting to watch him go up against the self-appointed "big players" in the world of Bitcoin commerce. The prospect of seeing someone wipe the floor w	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	ith Charlie Shrem and Roger Ver is pretty appealing.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	Rassah applied to be an MPEx Rota judge.	[04:06]
gesell	hmm, okay. why dont the others?	[04:06]
mjr_	and i guess they still do, but i haven't tried yet	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	check that out. i r botharing tham, had no idea even	[04:06]
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mircea_popescu	apparently sa hates on everything but me.	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34666 @ 0.00066572 = 23.0778 BTC [+]	[04:07]
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mjr_	i heard some things about bitfloor that make me a little wary, but i think they have the best model for a currency exchange	[04:08]
pigeons	what do you mean by their model?	[04:08]
smickles	liquidity rebate	[04:08]
smickles	prolly	[04:08]
pigeons	oh maker/taker	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	what % is it ?	[04:08]
pigeons	i cancelled a bitfloor order hours ago and the funds are still on hold cant make another order with them yet	[04:09]
pigeons	they are extremely flaky always	[04:09]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: i can't seem to remember	[04:09]
mjr_	think its .1% if you add -.4% if you take	[04:09]
mjr_	but mostly i like them cuz you can move cash in and out really easily (i thought)	[04:10]
mjr_	you can link an ing direct checking account and its "supposedly" instant	[04:10]
pigeons	what do you mean by easily?	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	.1% when btc moves 20% in a day ?	[04:10]
pigeons	oh yeah well for the ing its easy	[04:10]
mjr_	yeah, but for a bot	[04:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7513 @ 0.00066191 = 4.9729 BTC [-]	[04:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1587 @ 0.00064691 = 1.0266 BTC [-]	[04:10]
mjr_	that is trying to arb	[04:10]
mjr_	that is very nice	[04:10]
mjr_	and it hasn't moved 20% today	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	i very much doubt there's the volume to arb so as to render that meaningful.	[04:11]
mjr_	and over its lifetime i don't think it will always move a lot	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	slippage is probably a degree of magnitude larger order to order	[04:11]
pigeons	you need about 10% price difference usually to arb, causeends up being a good 7-8% moving usd from one exchange to another	[04:11]
mjr_	yeah	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10190 @ 0.00066572 = 6.7837 BTC [+]	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7410 @ 0.00066582 = 4.9337 BTC [+]	[04:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.01 = 0.07 BTC [+]	[04:11]
mjr_	but that is what i am saying...since they don't have fees to move money, and since you can make money trading, you could take liquidity on another site and offer it out there	[04:12]
pigeons	best are vouchx to vouchx but then even if there is enough depth on the exchange, aurum wont have the reserves	[04:12]
pigeons	mjr_: just look, you can't make enough. try it, but quit talking about it	[04:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00066582 = 3.3957 BTC [+]	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	BitPay just announced that you can donate to Wikipedia in bitcoins now! Oh, they kinda downplay the one small detail that Wikipedia still doesn't actually accept bitcoin. BitPay decided to set up an escrow account where people can give their bitcoins to BitPay and BitPay gives USD to Wikipedia. They did this without Wikipedia's knowledge or consent but they're acting like it's some huge victory. Oh, and they're making	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	a huge deal of the fact that they are so graciously not charging Wikipedia for this "service."	[04:12]
gesell	pigeons: i was the one that started it. im playing with it. i hear its not worht it but still gonna learn why	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	um is this even true !?	[04:13]
Namworld	or maybe they asked a wikipedia rep and they said: "yeah, whatever, as long as we receive money"	[04:14]
pigeons	best chance today was 20 bitcoins wanted to buy at the rock for 21 when you could buy them ld buy for 20.60 elsewher	[04:14]
pigeons	bitinstant ends up being 7-8% round trip	[04:15]
mjr_	WellsFargo cash deposits are currently suspended. Due to this account suspension, ACH withdrawals will be delayed as the account is closed. These delays are outside of our control and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We strive to process both USD and BTC in an efficient manner and will continue to do so after these delays are resolved.	[04:15]
pigeons	you can confirm for yourself next time you see an opportunity tell me and ill tell you why it wont work ;)	[04:15]
mjr_	that is from bitfloor by the way...so i guess that might be causing your delay?	[04:16]
pigeons	and the lowest price is always btce- and they are never lower enough even on the rare times there is volume, to break even	[04:16]
pigeons	all the usd deposit and withdrawal methods at btce are 7-8% and they are never that much lower than gox, whoever	[04:17]
mjr_	yeah...i have seen that	[04:17]
mjr_	gox is just so expensive	[04:17]
pigeons	they are expensive, but htye are the cheapest	[04:18]
pigeons	and of course the most volume	[04:18]
gesell	pigeons: why would it require bitinstant. havent though it through but considered that perhaps one doesnt need instant payout. I guess i've only been looking at the scenerio of "buy btc here, sell over there" but have not thought "get cash back and repeat"	[04:18]
gesell	assumed the "get cash back and repeat" was not as latency burdened so it could take a long while and be okay	[04:19]
gesell	in order to reduce fees	[04:19]
pigeons	well when you buy here you have no more cash heree now	[04:19]
gesell	yeah, so i still made a profit but now im blocked from making more profit	[04:20]
gesell	until i get it back. but if i add more weight and cash at the start i get blocked less and make more profit, no?	[04:20]
pigeons	well you didnt make a profit till you buy again	[04:20]
jborkl	Gox is only. . 1/2%	[04:20]
pigeons	at the highest teir 1/2% they go lower	[04:20]
gesell	jborkl: the spread of a bunch of exchange fees here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AguYZ5-dWMgfdElhakdHQzhiQXp5emctdjZTNG9qaEE&gid=2	[04:21]
jborkl	Yeah, I know.. I don't see that as expensive	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	"Coincidentally, my office was, literally, across the street from the registered address of BFL at the time. It turned out to be an apartment complex, as BFL was a start up and did not have an actual office at the time."	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	lmao. his office was next to the projects	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	but NOT INSIDE THEM!!!1	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	guess the author.	[04:21]
pigeons	plus the risk of keeping your money at these exchnges is not neglible	[04:22]
mjr_	yes, i plan on using bitfloor to get bitcoins and send them to my wallet right away	[04:22]
jborkl	No, gox is the one I use for that reason	[04:22]
jborkl	Yes I mean	[04:22]
gesell	pigeons: i think im missing the "you didnt make prof until you buy again". sorry i feel stupid here but could you explain why i have to buy again. i took cash, put it in btc, got cash back + %2, and one week later got that cash in my hand	[04:22]
pigeons	no bitfloor risk is pretty bad, some people think thye are only operating to get enenough to run away again	[04:23]
jborkl	Bit floor still owes a lot of people right..	[04:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2734 @ 0.00064691 = 1.7687 BTC [-]	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1066 @ 0.00064676 = 0.6894 BTC [-]	[04:24]
mjr_	hmmm, not sure	[04:25]
mjr_	but like i said, i don't plan on keeping money in there	[04:25]
mjr_	overnight	[04:25]
mjr_	and they seem to be trying to pay people back	[04:25]
mjr_	i don't know	[04:25]
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mjr_	how long does it take for satoshidice to win or lose?	[04:26]
jurov	few seconds	[04:27]
pigeons	you just keep it overnight, ok dont pick the night they go away	[04:27]
mjr_	no, i don't plan on having money in there overnight is what i was saying	[04:27]
pigeons	and that's 1 hour to get it back in, hope the price doesnt move too much	[04:28]
mjr_	i am not trying to trade, just trying to buy bitcoins	[04:28]
jurov	can't you just put order next door on -otc?	[04:28]
mjr_	how would i pay?	[04:28]
jurov	i herd moneypaks are popular there	[04:28]
mjr_	i will look into that, i have no clue what that is	[04:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00726718 = 7.2672 BTC [-]	[04:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 173 @ 0.007395 = 1.2793 BTC [+]	[04:33]
jborkl	Otc will take moneypak or dwolla. Moneypak, make sure you but it with cash only	[04:34]
jborkl	Buy	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5524 @ 0.00064792 = 3.5791 BTC [+]	[04:34]
mjr_	where can you buy moneypak?	[04:35]
jborkl	Go to moneypak. Com and look it up. Everywhere around here	[04:35]
jborkl	Go ask in otc and see if anyone wants one and how much	[04:36]
jborkl	First	[04:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.0075 = 0.0675 BTC [-]	[04:37]
mjr_	pocket aces :)	[04:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 70 @ 0.0078 = 0.546 BTC [+]	[04:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00066581 = 2.5301 BTC [+]	[04:43]
mjr_	they weren't enough	[04:47]
mjr_	:(	[04:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 521 @ 0.00066581 = 0.3469 BTC [+]	[04:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 790 @ 0.00066582 = 0.526 BTC [+]	[04:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00066812 = 5.828 BTC [+]	[04:47]
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mjr_	dude coinbase got a 600k seed round	[04:50]
mjr_	that is awesome	[04:50]
mjr_	and all they are doing is just online wallet....	[04:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00066051 = 1.9815 BTC [-]	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	kinda old news.	[04:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1402 @ 0.00066186 = 0.9279 BTC [+]	[04:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5927 @ 0.00066812 = 3.9599 BTC [+]	[04:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 516 @ 0.0006682 = 0.3448 BTC [+]	[04:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 657 @ 0.00066863 = 0.4393 BTC [+]	[04:59]
mjr_	yeah i know, but i am only trying to raise like 100k	[05:02]
mjr_	so i think it might work	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	depends who you know.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	have you seen mpoe-pr's infamous "see here" thread ?	[05:03]
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mjr_	its pretty cool that ycombinator chose them	[05:08]
mjr_	says a lot	[05:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.007395 = 4.437 BTC [+]	[05:08]
mjr_	i already included mpex registration in the prospectus lol :)	[05:09]
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gesell	okay, this is the price chart of 5d for bitcoin-24. http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?m=btc24EUR&v=1&t=S&noheader=1&height=80&width=750&r=5 its the only one ive seen like this. not huge volume but as much as many others and yet it is soooo level. I swear, many times ive seen bots respond to my bid, in less than <500ms latency. Im convinced the owners of the exchange have a bot at play on the exchange to keep prices close to mtgox or level or i do	[05:11]
gesell	oh wait, maybe its just the volume adjusting the scale, and since that fluctuates so mutch one doesnt see much of the price fluctuation	[05:12]
gesell	bleh, no, even the large chart looks odd	[05:13]
gesell	aah, no it was the very odd huge 40eu range bid somewhere (glitch i guess)	[05:14]
gesell	ignore me	[05:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00066863 = 6.7866 BTC [+]	[05:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2919 @ 0.00066186 = 1.932 BTC [-]	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12670 @ 0.00066158 = 8.3822 BTC [-]	[05:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.998 = 1.996 BTC [+]	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 330 @ 0.00066158 = 0.2183 BTC [-]	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1276 @ 0.00065932 = 0.8413 BTC [-]	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1276 @ 0.00065932 = 0.8413 BTC [-]	[05:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 0.999 = 6.993 BTC [+]	[05:23]
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mircea_popescu	dude this is insane.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	SA loves only one thing in all of bitcoin more than me	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	and that's mpoe-pr	[05:25]
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Namworld	link?	[05:26]
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Namworld	They'd probably worship MPOE-PR as Troll Goddess	[05:27]
Namworld	She's attacked pretty much everything they talk about =P	[05:28]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld you had the link earlier neh ?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486823&userid=0&perpage=100&pagenumber=	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	or whoever posted it	[05:29]
Namworld	yeah but over 300 pages...	[05:29]
Namworld	I won't browse the whole 300 pages to find whatever post you're talking about =P	[05:29]
Namworld	When you have the link handy	[05:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00065652 = 8.7974 BTC [-]	[05:30]
Namworld	or at least tell me the specific page	[05:30]
Namworld	#	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't have it i read digests.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	but let's spam irc	[05:31]
Namworld	oh	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	It's like they want to scare away anyone serious about using Bitcoins as a currency, I wonder how much longer that woman who runs the (last standing) trading platform will put up with their dumb poo poo. She's hardly some great pillar of sanity since she's all wrapped up in Bitcoins too but she seems to be trying to be serious about things yet they want to shout her down. I am guessing it is because she is a woman.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu, who runs MPOE, is a guy. The MPOE-PR woman was accused of being his sock, but I think she just does all the English-language business for him (he's Romanian).	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Unless there is no Mircea and it's just that lady doing a "Remington Steele" thing, only instead of private eye poo poo it's Internet porn/Bitcoins.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Agree that two of the smartest posters on there are women: MPOE-PR and repentance.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	VvvV. Also people mock MPOE because it's a subforum of a porn site. Go over and look at it; it's kind of crappy looking despite MPOE-PR's general good sense. Presumably someone else handles the web implementation.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	The brilliant Bitcoin detectives thought that there was only one person who was a guy (Mircea, which is a guy's name in Romanian) and he was just using a lady's picture as a sock. I am willing to believe they got it exactly backwards, and that she just made up "Mircea Popescu" as a sock.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Oh well if it's two people then that's interesting. Some of the people on that forum did some internet detectiving and came to the conclusion that it's all one person but then again these are not the brightest people we are talking about...	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	What a beautiful twist it would be if the last trading platform that didn't collapse or turn into a scam which is run more like an actual real one than a teenage dream out of the basement is run by a woman. Because they mock her, ostracize her and blame her at every turn possibly because they can't handle a girl running a service for them.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Still, possibly the most legit bitcoin trading site they will ever get and yet they want this one to fai	[05:32]
Namworld	The forum says so... but most around assets channels seems to support MPEx	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	well, sa stuff. to be taken with a grain fo salt.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	they pretty much only read/care about the trolls and nuts.	[05:35]
Namworld	Oddly, I thought about Mircea Popescu being the sock puppet instead when MPOE-PR was accused of being a sock puppet	[05:36]
Ukto	Namworld: mebbe they are both sock puppets of someone else?	[05:36]
Ukto	mebbe its satoshi >,>	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	why does someone have to be a sock puppet ?	[05:37]
Ukto	more fun that way. :)	[05:37]
Namworld	eheh	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	will be kinda hysterical if/when SA discovers like... stuff on trilema.	[05:37]
Ukto	besides, its generates talk. and "There's no such thing as bad press" ;)	[05:37]
Namworld	Well, it's not necessary. But when it was suggested, it made me think of the opposite.	[05:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]	[05:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]	[05:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5894 @ 0.00065652 = 3.8695 BTC [-]	[05:38]
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mircea_popescu	generally not a bad strategy	[05:39]
gesell	funny thread. have sa heard of bitcoingem?? please someone let them know about that	[05:39]
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Ukto	BF just passed 350btc for 24hr vol	[05:41]
Namworld	Mircea Popescu - actually a sock puppet for the brits rebuilding their old empire. Starting with Bitcoins to vanquish US capitalism which is in their way.	[05:41]
Namworld	Sounds more fun like that	[05:41]
Namworld	They're still not happy about the outcome of the American War of Independence.	[05:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00066398 = 4.1167 BTC [+]	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	why can't i be a sockpuppet for someone fun	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	like, napoleon.	[05:43]
Namworld	but his life expectancy expired	[05:44]
Namworld	It would have to be zombie napoleon	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	hm, that's a point.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what zombie napoleon does for a living.	[05:44]
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mircea_popescu	So many people in the US focus on being one lottery win away from being rich, when they're actually one lost job or house fire or medical emergency away from being destitute.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	dude this is deep.	[05:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6706 @ 0.00066398 = 4.4526 BTC [+]	[05:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12344 @ 0.00066016 = 8.149 BTC [-]	[05:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066862 = 2.8891 BTC [+]	[05:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11979 @ 0.00066863 = 8.0095 BTC [+]	[05:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.007395 = 3.3278 BTC [+]	[05:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00066863 = 3.1085 BTC [+]	[05:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25862 @ 0.0006694 = 17.312 BTC [+]	[05:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21538 @ 0.00067 = 14.4305 BTC [+]	[05:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]	[06:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.7899999 = 4.74 BTC [+]	[06:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]	[06:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066032 = 2.8532 BTC [-]	[06:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5179 @ 0.00066016 = 3.419 BTC [-]	[06:15]
gesell	What is K.KBRL on mpex, or what is the K. category?	[06:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [-]	[06:17]
Namworld	I heard it's a joke or something	[06:19]
Namworld	It's just there doing nothing all the time	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066981 = 2.8942 BTC [+]	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5279 @ 0.00067 = 3.5369 BTC [+]	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.007395 = 7.395 BTC [+]	[06:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [+]	[06:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9168 @ 0.00067 = 6.1426 BTC [+]	[06:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.007395 = 12.5715 BTC [+]	[06:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066031 = 2.8532 BTC [-]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00066016 = 1.4385 BTC [-]	[06:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.7899999 = 7.9 BTC [+]	[06:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 39 @ 0.2401 = 9.3639 BTC [-]	[06:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2733 BTC [+]	[06:42]
Namworld	Who needs my auto-updating portfolio scripts?	[06:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [+]	[06:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00066016 = 9.9024 BTC [-]	[06:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.31 = 2.17 BTC [+]	[06:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00066016 = 2.6736 BTC [-]	[06:45]
Diablo-D3	lol portfolios	[06:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066997 = 2.8949 BTC [+]	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14015 @ 0.00067 = 9.3901 BTC [+]	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8323 @ 0.00067093 = 5.5842 BTC [+]	[06:46]
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Namworld	?	[06:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [+]	[06:46]
Namworld	What's funny?	[06:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.7899999 = 1.58 BTC [+]	[06:47]
Diablo-D3	Namworld: who has portfolios anymore after glbse	[06:48]
Namworld	I do. Many others do.	[06:48]
Namworld	Wether it's only balance of bitcoin addresses, MPEx, BTCT.co, MtGox data	[06:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066043 = 2.8537 BTC [-]	[06:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4789 @ 0.00066016 = 3.1615 BTC [-]	[06:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.7899999 = 1.58 BTC [+]	[06:50]
Namworld	It's nice to tally up all that data	[06:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.33 = 6.6 BTC [-]	[06:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.7899999 = 2.37 BTC [+]	[06:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7059 @ 0.00066016 = 4.6601 BTC [-]	[06:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00065394 = 3.2697 BTC [-]	[06:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4941 @ 0.0006535 = 3.2289 BTC [-]	[06:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.007395 = 2.958 BTC [+]	[06:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 6700 @ 0.007395 = 49.5465 BTC [+]	[07:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00066603 = 10.9895 BTC [+]	[07:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00065808 = 1.1187 BTC [-]	[07:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00721784 = 2.8871 BTC [-]	[07:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00721783 = 3.9698 BTC [-]	[07:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067092 = 2.899 BTC [+]	[07:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11079 @ 0.00067093 = 7.4332 BTC [+]	[07:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5233 @ 0.00065808 = 3.4437 BTC [-]	[07:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065351 = 2.8238 BTC [-]	[07:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8146 @ 0.0006535 = 5.3234 BTC [-]	[07:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2898 @ 0.00067093 = 1.9444 BTC [+]	[07:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067182 = 2.9029 BTC [+]	[07:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2747 @ 0.00067183 = 1.8455 BTC [+]	[07:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00065372 = 0.621 BTC [-]	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3371 @ 0.00065372 = 2.2037 BTC [-]	[07:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0006535 = 8.953 BTC [-]	[07:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.007395 = 369.75 BTC [+]	[07:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 986 @ 0.007395 = 7.2915 BTC [+]	[07:30]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co \|\| https://coinbr.com \|\| https://cryptostocks.com \|\| https://icbit.se \|\| https://therocktrading.com \|\| https://assets-otc.com \|\| https://www.havelockinvestments.com \|\| https://bitfunder.com \|\| https://btct.co \|\| http://picostocks.com \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades	[13:11]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012	[13:11]
*	[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp	[13:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2695 @ 0.0006763 = 1.8226 BTC [+]	[13:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]	[13:17]
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Bowjob	2 hours and 37 moar mins till Avalon starts asking for mahknee	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	details!	[13:22]
Bowjob	http://launch.avalon-asics.com/#prices	[13:23]
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bowjob	9 am est translates to 6 am pacific	[13:24]
bowjob	i did not see this dump coming.. wow fuck.	[13:24]
bowjob	;; ticker	[13:24]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 19.30000, Best ask: 19.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 19.36999, 24 hour volume: 90761.44676475, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.83651	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	o hey. going down ?	[13:25]
bowjob	someone dumped a lot of btc	[13:25]
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bowjob	I had 80 BTC set aside for Asic.. in case it goes down a bit.. but not this much!	[13:25]
bowjob	I'm not sure if the price includes shipping or not.	[13:26]
bowjob	well.. mhm	[13:26]
bowjob	id hate to sell some dice shares	[13:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 800 @ 0.20664775 = 165.3182 BTC [+]	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	how much is the new avalon ?!	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it supposed to be 1200 ?	[13:29]
bowjob	1499	[13:29]
bowjob	1299 for first batch, 1499 for a slightly upgraded one	[13:29]
bowjob	im confident bfl wont pull their heads out of their asses, some delay will happen again	[13:30]
bowjob	and avalon will ship batch no 2 before bfl	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	maybe so.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1499 / 19.83	[13:30]
gribble	75.5925365608	[13:30]
bowjob	I expect around 58 TH by the time i get mine	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	ovr 80 with shipping ?	[13:30]
bowjob	I'm not sure how much the shipping is gonna be..	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	bowjob i have serious doubts about avalon. so far as best we can determine they have not delivered.	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	it's Feb 2. three weeks later. shipping takes 3 weeks for EVERYONE in a 300 order batch ?	[13:31]
bowjob	well, out of all the asic producers, only avalon produced a real asic so far, that makes them more credible than anyone else	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	more credible than anyone else, yes.	[13:35]
bowjob	the no refunds part make sense.. they need the order the parts right away	[13:35]
bowjob	as for BTC.. isnt what what we want? for BTC to be used	[13:35]
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mircea_popescu	that's not the point tho.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	the point is that until they delvier batch 1 you can't tell whether they do or don't deliver at all.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	putting together 2 units out of a 300 unit run is not the same as having made 300 units.	[13:36]
bowjob	mhm, yes i see that.	[13:36]
bowjob	i dont think waiting is really an option.. that 600 unit order will get eaten	[13:37]
bowjob	in half an hour	[13:37]
Ukerz	they mean until next order	[13:37]
Ukerz	psycho: you do?	[13:37]
Ukerz	how many units were in batch 1 ?	[13:37]
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bowjob	20 mins for 300 ASICs back in september.. now that they have actually shipped 2 units, it could be 10 minutes, actually	[13:38]
bowjob	gosh, basic.. have you seen the letter?	[13:39]
bowjob	the slanderous note on Basic's site.	[13:39]
bowjob	how could you be so anti avalon when basic looks even worse	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	i am not buying any asics.	[13:40]
bowjob	yet you bought 3?	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	me ?!	[13:40]
bowjob	Psychotic	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	a nm	[13:40]
bowjob	I'd consider Avalon to be a 1/6 confirmation phase.	[13:41]
bowjob	I'll look into what delays the shipment, see if I can get any answers from Yifu before they go on sale	[13:41]
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bowjob	Well, owning S.Dice shares is like owning ASICs.. and I have some of those	[13:42]
bowjob	I'm currently long BTC, long S.Dice 50/50 split. I'd rather not disrupt that ratio.. and I took the Avalon into account	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't see how sdice and asics would be similar investments.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	sdice is, theoretically at least, bound to have slowly rising returns	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	asics are, again theoretically, bound to have huge returns early	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	then taper off	[13:46]
bowjob	I meant the price appreciation over the past month. ^	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	exactly opposite sort of curves	[13:46]
bowjob	the dividends are just cherry on top	[13:47]
bowjob	For instance, I got some at xx48, price is now xx73 ... thats like having lots of asics mining and appreciating on value	[13:48]
bowjob	im on the "BFL won't ship before march 1st" crowd..	[13:49]
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mircea_popescu	a.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	well then... you stand to make whatever portion of 700 btc	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	o, also : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/lets-make-it-one-giant-puzzle/	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	identify all 6, get a bitcoin.	[13:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 14 @ 0.0249 = 0.3486 BTC [+]	[13:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4958 @ 0.0006735 = 3.3392 BTC [-]	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92 @ 0.00067602 = 0.0622 BTC [+]	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P300T] 75 @ 0.70983809 = 53.2379 BTC	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	hm	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	so puts are now selling ?	[13:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 86 @ 0.0249 = 2.1414 BTC [+]	[13:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 14 @ 0.0249 = 0.3486 BTC [+]	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4125 @ 0.00067602 = 2.7886 BTC [+]	[14:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067603 = 2.9211 BTC [+]	[14:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8404 @ 0.00067628 = 5.6835 BTC [+]	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	Jeff's Avalon unit is pulling 620 watts	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	jesus fuck i guessed it!	[14:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6699 @ 0.00067628 = 4.5304 BTC [+]	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.0006751 = 4.3206 BTC [-]	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067292 = 2.9077 BTC [-]	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229 @ 0.00067275 = 0.1541 BTC [-]	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229 @ 0.00067275 = 0.1541 BTC [-]	[14:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067622 = 2.9219 BTC [+]	[14:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00067628 = 3.7872 BTC [+]	[14:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00067628 = 3.7872 BTC [+]	[14:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00067628 = 8.1154 BTC [+]	[14:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00067622 = 6.0522 BTC [-]	[14:31]
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DeadWease	;;ticker	[14:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 19.55507, Best ask: 19.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14493, Last trade: 19.55204, 24 hour volume: 88101.48921973, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.78760	[14:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00067321 = 4.7125 BTC [-]	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3865 @ 0.00067622 = 2.6136 BTC [+]	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 335 @ 0.00067628 = 0.2266 BTC [+]	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 335 @ 0.00067628 = 0.2266 BTC [+]	[14:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00067471 = 3.1158 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067285 = 2.9074 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8371 @ 0.00067275 = 5.6316 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00067212 = 5.8811 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00067212 = 5.8811 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00066659 = 5.2661 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00066659 = 5.2661 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.000666 = 1.3986 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.000666 = 1.3986 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2990 @ 0.00066464 = 1.9873 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2990 @ 0.00066464 = 1.9873 BTC [-]	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00066495 = 2.4603 BTC [+]	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	bah for the love of christ.	[15:01]
bowjob	when i read your comment, I thought someone fat fingered S.dice again	[15:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 311 @ 0.00730376 = 2.2715 BTC [-]	[15:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 89 @ 0.00729494 = 0.6492 BTC [-]	[15:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 467 @ 0.00739 = 3.4511 BTC [+]	[15:14]
kakobrekla	lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129558.msg1497301#msg1497301	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	no, im just getting an echo in reporting trades now ;/	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you do it :D	[15:21]
kakobrekla	done	[15:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.3399 = 3.399 BTC [+]	[15:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+]	[15:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.35 = 1.05 BTC [+]	[15:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00067275 = 8.073 BTC [+]	[15:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4099 BTC [+]	[15:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.79 = 15.01 BTC [+]	[15:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 621 @ 0.00066954 = 0.4158 BTC [-]	[15:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1279 @ 0.00066941 = 0.8562 BTC [-]	[15:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1279 @ 0.00066941 = 0.8562 BTC [-]	[15:54]
kakobrekla	dafuq	[15:54]
kakobrekla	we had 18 dollar coins	[15:54]
kakobrekla	not long ago.	[15:54]
Diablo-D3	yes	[15:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00066424 = 5.2475 BTC [-]	[15:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3882 @ 0.00066081 = 2.5653 BTC [-]	[15:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00066147 = 13.031 BTC [+]	[15:55]
kakobrekla	luck this time, bought my road tax vignette with 21 dollar coins :)	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3882 @ 0.00066081 = 2.5653 BTC [-]	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3882 @ 0.00066081 = 2.5653 BTC [-]	[15:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.0006762 BTC [+]	[16:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.0006762 BTC [+]	[16:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4215 @ 0.0006762 = 2.8502 BTC [+]	[16:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00067621 = 1.961 BTC [+]	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is curious : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mpex-tech-stuff/	[16:20]
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Ukerz	avalon ordered.	[16:25]
Diablo-D3	no trolling	[16:26]
Ukerz	LOL	[16:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00739 = 5.912 BTC [+]	[16:26]
Ukerz	did you ctrl-f5?	[16:26]
Ukerz	:P	[16:26]
Ukerz	alright alright. sigh	[16:27]
Ukerz	this is kinda stupid this	[16:27]
Ukerz	tho	[16:27]
Ukerz	its like a kid waking up for xmas, running downstairs	[16:27]
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Ukerz	to find ZERO presents	[16:27]
Ukerz	I think Yifu did th ebetter trollig job	[16:28]
Ukerz	"look at this idiots waking up for nothing"	[16:28]
bowjob	wow. avalon still cant get their act together	[16:30]
bowjob	i feel rather disrispected that i stayed up all night and they cant even set up a pre order properly. wtf	[16:30]
Ukerz	yeah ,its 8am, i'm pretty friggen tired	[16:31]
bowjob	its on now	[16:32]
Ukerz	no	[16:35]
Ukerz	its fial	[16:35]
Ukerz	checkout fail	[16:35]
Ukerz	"There appears to be an error with this site."	[16:35]
bowjob	fail. cart broken	[16:36]
bowjob	do we need a wordpress account?	[16:36]
bowjob	it sys i have 3 asics wtf	[16:36]
leotreasure	why does my order total say $3?	[16:37]
bowjob	Geezus Christ	[16:37]
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leotreasure	now it's $1	[16:39]
leotreasure	should i pay?	[16:39]
bowjob	such a shoddy site	[16:39]
bowjob	im having problems with it	[16:39]
bowjob	maybe its indeed a scam	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1421 @ 0.00067621 = 0.9609 BTC [+]	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067622 = 1.3524 BTC [+]	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2717 @ 0.00067628 = 1.8375 BTC [+]	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00067674 = 4.162 BTC [+]	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067702 = 1.354 BTC [+]	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6912 @ 0.00067703 = 4.6796 BTC [+]	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	bowjob what, still no orders ?	[16:44]
bowjob	they opened up the orders, the problem is no one can fill them.. the site is broken	[16:45]
bowjob	http://store.avalon-asics.com/	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	sux.	[16:45]
Diablo-D3	wait until they turn off caching and cdn	[16:45]
bowjob	if mpex is dog, that site is dog shit's dog shit.	[16:45]
Diablo-D3	do not try to complete an order until they do, you will lose coins	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	^^	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	he knows.	[16:46]
bowjob	of course not. i'll wait for them to fix it before provably throwing away 80 BTC	[16:46]
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kakobrekla	china will grow larger.	[16:47]
bowjob	"look on the bright side. this is probably a good indication of how your unit would work."	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[16:49]
bowjob	Yeap. May as well switch to BFL, but pay with PayPal	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	tha'ts just mean	[16:49]
bowjob	that way I got my ass covered	[16:49]
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pigeons	i will buy 2nd hand asics from the people who borrowed on their credit cards to buy them and underestimated the difficulty rise or don't getthem soon enough	[16:53]
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bowjob	I'm already willing to throw 80 BTC to some potential scam and yet they can't set up a way to facilitate the transfer	[16:53]
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bowjob	*yawn	[16:53]
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bowjob	Fuck this shit. I'm too tired. I've been awake for nearly 36 hours, I've spent the majority of the time walking around. Congrats to the (un)fortunate fucker who will get my spot.	[16:58]
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bowjob	I'll buy something called hold, it costs nothing and it's done me good so far.	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	another satisfied asic customer	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	soon we'll have enough for a private army.	[17:03]
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jurov	fuckfuck mpex did it again	[17:14]
jurov	mircea_popescu: please do at least check of output data.. so it outputs some error instead of nonsense	[17:15]
Ukerz	?	[17:15]
jurov	it sent me valid json but no balances/orders	[17:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	jurov : email me a copy of this thing	[17:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 389 @ 0.00729494 = 2.8377 BTC [-]	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140700.0 vircurex is listing its exchange	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	you planning the same with weex Ukto ?	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00067714 = 4.9093 BTC [+]	[17:22]
dust-otc	does anyone want to make a scam accusation thread against imsaguy?	[17:24]
dust-otc	I believe his behavior deserves one, but he doesn't owe me any money	[17:24]
jurov	mircea_popescu: sent	[17:25]
jurov	I won't speak for Ukto just I think he'll keep the exchange privately owned atm. me with coinbr likewise.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov ty	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov the usd/btc exchange is at issue	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	not the securities exchange	[17:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5939 @ 0.00067714 = 4.0215 BTC [+]	[17:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00067714 = 4.4549 BTC [+]	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4793 @ 0.00067716 = 3.2456 BTC [+]	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00067395 = 5.8297 BTC [-]	[17:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]	[17:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 994 @ 0.00067395 = 0.6699 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274 @ 0.00067355 = 0.1846 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067125 = 2.9005 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6211 @ 0.00067124 = 4.1691 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2129 @ 0.00067124 = 1.4291 BTC [-]	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00067011 = 1.2203 BTC [-]	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00066657 = 9.6653 BTC [-]	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00066351 = 2.6209 BTC [-]	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.00066081 = 28.58 BTC [-]	[17:39]
jurov	adding into sources long overdue check:	[17:41]
jurov	if not 'CxBTC' in stat['Holdings']:	[17:41]
jurov	log.error("No BTC on MPEx, flipping bozo bit")	[17:41]
jurov	transaction.doom()	[17:41]
jurov	raise	[17:41]
pigeons	i was trying to use margin!	[17:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.5 BTC [+]	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	jurov that's an idea.	[17:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1242 @ 0.000677 = 0.8408 BTC [+]	[17:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00067619 = 3.9219 BTC [-]	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3079 @ 0.000677 = 2.0845 BTC [+]	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7033 @ 0.00067716 = 4.7625 BTC [+]	[17:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1733 @ 0.00739 = 12.8069 BTC [+]	[17:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 567 @ 0.007395 = 4.193 BTC [+]	[17:55]
mjr_	hi all	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7620 @ 0.00067716 = 5.16 BTC [+]	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 830 @ 0.00067717 = 0.5621 BTC [+]	[17:58]
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*	mircea_popescu contemplates issuing jurov a multi-billion btc fakestat just to mess with him	[18:01]
jurov	meh, already happened twice. just with options instead of btc	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	a, back in the early beta days	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	i recall.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	well ok then!	[18:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066257 = 2.863 BTC [-]	[18:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7512 @ 0.00066253 = 4.9769 BTC [-]	[18:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P260T] 322 @ 0.49173352 = 158.3382 BTC	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [+]	[18:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.85 = 10.2 BTC [+]	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066576 = 2.8767 BTC [+]	[18:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8290 @ 0.00066599 = 5.5211 BTC [+]	[18:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006626 = 2.8631 BTC [-]	[18:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1099 @ 0.00066254 = 0.7281 BTC [-]	[18:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8901 @ 0.00066254 = 5.8973 BTC [-]	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12496 @ 0.00066253 = 8.279 BTC [-]	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12403 @ 0.00066081 = 8.196 BTC [-]	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00066581 = 1.3982 BTC [+]	[18:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1765 @ 0.00066081 = 1.1663 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8235 @ 0.00066 = 5.4351 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1765 @ 0.00066 = 1.1649 BTC [-]	[18:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2435 @ 0.00065961 = 1.6062 BTC [-]	[18:47]
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smickles	god damn	[18:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065962 = 6.5962 BTC [+]	[18:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5565 @ 0.00065961 = 3.6707 BTC [-]	[18:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1385 @ 0.00065961 = 0.9136 BTC [-]	[18:52]
smickles	I just realized that I paid 33~ btc for one year of this vps back when btc was around 4 bucks	[18:52]
gigavps	smickles, what's wrong?	[18:52]
gigavps	o, yeah	[18:53]
gigavps	that sucks	[18:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00065961 = 6.8599 BTC [-]	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not really a loss is it.	[18:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2221 @ 0.00066581 = 1.4788 BTC [+]	[18:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4286 @ 0.00066599 = 2.8544 BTC [+]	[18:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2024 @ 0.00066599 = 1.348 BTC [+]	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0006763 = 4.1931 BTC [+]	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9270 @ 0.00067717 = 6.2774 BTC [+]	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3406 @ 0.0006773 = 2.3069 BTC [+]	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00067729 = 6.7729 BTC [-]	[19:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0006773 = 3.3526 BTC [+]	[19:00]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: yeah, it's more about the disconnected thought of 'what if I had that btc now'	[19:03]
smickles	especially if you condider what I got for what value i gave up at the time	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ya but still... at the time btc still was 4 bux	[19:05]
smickles	heh, i guess there was ambiguity in that last line of mine	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-greatest-smartphone-app/	[19:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6194 @ 0.0006773 = 4.1952 BTC [+]	[19:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7151 @ 0.00067789 = 4.8476 BTC [+]	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00067259 = 5.717 BTC [-]	[19:22]
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Bugpowder	can i get a hells yeah?	[19:23]
Bugpowder	;;ticker	[19:23]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 20.01826, Best ask: 20.08896, Bid-ask spread: 0.07070, Last trade: 20.01826, 24 hour volume: 91960.08171071, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.72764	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00067259 = 3.7329 BTC [-]	[19:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066001 = 2.8519 BTC [-]	[19:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3239 @ 0.00066 = 2.1377 BTC [-]	[19:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067768 = 2.9283 BTC [+]	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2449 @ 0.00067789 = 1.6602 BTC [+]	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8730 @ 0.0006779 = 5.9181 BTC [+]	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066026 = 2.853 BTC [-]	[19:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6761 @ 0.00066 = 4.4623 BTC [-]	[19:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5518 @ 0.00065987 = 3.6412 BTC [-]	[19:28]
mjr_	back above 20	[19:28]
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Bugpowder	on the weekend	[19:30]
Bugpowder	no fresh cash deposits	[19:30]
Bugpowder	BULLISH	[19:30]
Bugpowder	:-P	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 48 @ 1 = 48 BTC [+]	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 20.08903, Best ask: 20.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09097, Last trade: 20.08903, 24 hour volume: 91978.23757009, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.72608	[19:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0079 BTC [+]	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20 @ 0.0006779 = 0.0136 BTC [+]	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3330 @ 0.00068004 = 2.2645 BTC [+]	[19:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6670 @ 0.00068004 = 4.5359 BTC [+]	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068005 = 2.9385 BTC [+]	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5360 @ 0.00068006 = 3.6451 BTC [+]	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	okays, seems the echo is resolved as well.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	what an eventful day.	[19:39]
mjr_	do bitcoins remind anyone else of kongbucks?	[19:39]
mjr_	maybe we might see burbclaves in my lifetime lol	[19:40]
evoorhees	hey all	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 re-doing that would be a worthy exercise	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	may 2012 is right before s.dice started to move, among other things	[19:41]
evoorhees	SD dividend is about to launch	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	heya!	[19:42]
evoorhees	DONE	[19:43]
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mircea_popescu	MPEx ‏@MPEx1	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	S.DICE paid a total dividend of 2`000.73731948 BTC to 10`000`000 outstanding shares. #dividend #bitcoin #btc #stocks	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla assbot gotta do dividends again	[19:45]
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ShaTwo	evoorhees: Congratulation! Amazingly done!	[19:47]
mjr_	Very very nice evoorhees	[19:48]
evoorhees	thanks guys	[19:49]
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mjr_	so great to see such a success story...and i think the future looks even brighter	[19:49]
evoorhees	I think the most exciting thing is that this rediculous numbers will get the attention of established gambling sites, and they will no longer ignore bitcoin	[19:49]
mjr_	yes exactly	[19:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: working on it	[19:50]
ShaTwo	They got my attention a few months back...	[19:50]
ShaTwo	When they were not even as big.	[19:50]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but most BTC users will ignore the results, even more firmly than they ignored Shamir's.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform good, then i can point out why the theory is nonsense on fresh data.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	and most btc users matter in the sense most los angeles self-styled actresses matter.	[19:51]
mjr_	this is like the matrix...i can only imagine (if the asics turn out to be widespread) just how many petaflops we will reach	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	petaflops is really a measure of floating point computation	[19:53]
mjr_	this is the biggest distributed computing project in human history i imagine	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	sha hashing is integer computation	[19:53]
mjr_	yes	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	the two aren't really all that interchangeable	[19:53]
mjr_	yeah	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	we just do it because we're very lazy	[19:53]
mjr_	terahashes is what matter	[19:53]
mjr_	but it is nice to see how this compares to boinc or seti@home etc	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	nice is one way to put it. from what i've seen in sa's digests, it burns some people	[19:54]
mjr_	how would the cray titan do at hashing?	[19:54]
mjr_	and i don't really care about sa...	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	not very well.	[19:55]
mjr_	rationality says i bet with my money and they bet with theirs...the outcome will be objective	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	what, you're at war or something ?	[19:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: care to say why the theory is nonsense?	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.875 = 4.375 BTC [+]	[19:56]
mjr_	huh? not at war...but when two people disagree, they bet on the outcome, the winner wins...in pure rational economics...which this isn't	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	not worth it on the old data set. get a fresh one.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ now that's true	[19:56]
mjr_	well, its overly simplified, but yes, if btc hits a thousand or even 40 we objectively chose correctly	[19:57]
mjr_	and they objectively didn't	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	20 is actually good enough already.	[19:57]
mjr_	i agree	[19:57]
mjr_	but i don't think they would be able to be as smug at 40....	[19:58]
mjr_	i don't see how they could talk about it at all	[19:58]
mjr_	without being extremely mad at themselves for understanding bitcoins, but then choosing to reject	[19:58]
mjr_	that's the sad part is that they know more about it than a lot of users	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	not everyone is profit motivated.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	in fact, most people who spend a lot of time on forums aren't.	[19:59]
mjr_	good point...	[19:59]
mjr_	also a great point	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	if they were, they'd do real work rather than the sort of boring nonsense that lends itself to foruming	[19:59]
mjr_	but even in matters of debate	[19:59]
mjr_	which they do care about	[19:59]
mjr_	the real world bears out theories or doesn't	[19:59]
mjr_	so their theory will look stupid (moreso than now)	[19:59]
mjr_	and that is something they would care about	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	not really. there's not an objective standard of proof, especially not for people who aren't interested in seeing certain result sets.	[20:00]
mjr_	i guess...	[20:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00067641 = 7.6434 BTC [-]	[20:00]
mjr_	it is very insular, and they probably won't look at any data that disagrees with their preconceived notion	[20:00]
mjr_	what is the command here to look at sdice bid/ask?	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	if you read through it appears obvious what the actual problems they identify with bitcoin are	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	"fygm", for instance, is quite telling.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	they dislike the fact bitcoin will necessarily bring down the welfare state.	[20:02]
mjr_	yeah, they conflate "people like to scam people" with "bitcoin is an instrument of scamming"	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	this is a valid criticism, it will. as long as they don't want this to happen, bitcoin is and will remain a bad thing.	[20:02]
mjr_	they must not have ever heard of bernie madoff	[20:02]
mjr_	oh, bitcoin will be very bad for some people	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	right.	[20:03]
mjr_	i thought the argument was "will it succeed", the results of it are different for each person	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	so then, those very people will say bitcoin is very bad. no surprise.	[20:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0079 = 0.079 BTC [+]	[20:03]
mjr_	i think banks will not like it very much, nor would governments if taken to its logical conclusion...	[20:03]
mjr_	but i don't think that means it won't succeed	[20:03]
mjr_	i would take it seriously, and i would adapt	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	ya well.	[20:04]
mjr_	i think snowcrash is going to be somewhat of a prophecy at this point lol	[20:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066535 = 2.875 BTC [-]	[20:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00066524 = 23.1171 BTC [-]	[20:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129 @ 0.00066411 = 0.0857 BTC [-]	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	!ticker s.dice	[20:04]
assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.	[20:04]
jurov	congrats satoshidice	[20:05]
mjr_	that book touches a lot of interesting points, but i think it's tamest assertion is that a country is only as strong as it's monetary supply	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.007148 / 0.00737178 / 0.007395 (143373 shares, 1,056.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00731861 / 0.00749999 (574974 shares, 4,208.01 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00487004 / 0.0075 (6619114 shares, 32,235.38 BTC)	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	im fascinated at the relative lack of movement.	[20:05]
mjr_	wish i had bitcoins now	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	apparently nobody was holding for div time	[20:05]
jurov	how comes i unexpectedly received something and the address points to http://bitbet.us/bet/131/btc-will-have-a-new-highest-price-in/ ?	[20:05]
jurov	that bet isn't closed	[20:05]
mjr_	4 days i will be ready to invest	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	jurov did you use same addy for other bets?	[20:05]
jurov	maybe, i don't remember, but only this one was found.	[20:06]
Bugpowder	same lack of movement last div too	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder very institutional-like investors i guess	[20:07]
mjr_	buy and hold is usually the best strategy	[20:07]
mjr_	(assuming you invest in companies you believe in)	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	this is true.	[20:07]
mjr_	has anyone read antifragile?	[20:08]
mjr_	i'm not finished with it, but i think so far that it is very interesting when looked at through the eyes of a bitcoiner	[20:08]
mjr_	and i would be extremely interested to know what Taleb Nassim thinks about btc	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	hey, ask him. i'd be interested too.	[20:10]
mjr_	in fact, i wonder if universa capital (his investment fund) would be interested lol	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	give them a call.	[20:11]
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mjr_	http://www.universa.net/ just read the front page...i think i might have better luck with email...though i am pretty sure i'll get filtered out quickly	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066682 = 2.8813 BTC [+]	[20:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5179 @ 0.00066696 = 3.4542 BTC [+]	[20:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3339 @ 0.00066696 = 2.227 BTC [+]	[20:15]
jurov	i did not notice the "Open" choice is by default on bitbet search	[20:16]
jurov	yup, made 1BTC on asic non-delivery bet	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	wd.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	was a tough one to close that.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1498765#msg1498765 this is sorta funny.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 who told you to get involved with avalon baby.	[20:18]
jurov	reminder for people who want to bet on/against asics and don't have mpex account: https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-E	[20:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00739499 = 8.874 BTC [-]	[20:22]
mjr_	why are people doubting delivery? i'm just curious, i thought the first ones already were delived...	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	evoorhees do you suppose something like a 100% win address for sdice would be a good idea ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ they sent two prototype units.	[20:23]
mjr_	ah ok	[20:23]
mjr_	so they may not have ramped up production as much as previously thought	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6711 @ 0.00067226 = 4.5115 BTC [+]	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00066438 = 0.4578 BTC [-]	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	o hey, apparently ineedausername resurfaced, and is paying his gippt thing in full.	[20:24]
evoorhees	mircea... that's kinda interesting	[20:27]
evoorhees	you mean for promotion or what?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	no. for mixing.	[20:28]
evoorhees	how would that help SD?	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	you send X btc, you receive 9x% of x back 100% of time	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	you take your rake.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	possibly make it so that inputs sent to that addy are NEVER 0conf'd and as a result they never receive back anything based on the same inputs.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	you've got by far the best mixer out there, might as well use it as such	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	(course people can do it already by just playing)	[20:30]
evoorhees	not sure I'd want to advocate it as a mixer	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	just a thought.	[20:31]
evoorhees	it's a good though	[20:31]
evoorhees	thought*	[20:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00067641 = 1.4881 BTC [+]	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1840 @ 0.00068006 = 1.2513 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0006803 = 5.2043 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00068032 = 1.8369 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2560 @ 0.00068038 = 1.7418 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.875 = 6.125 BTC [+]	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.88 = 2.64 BTC [+]	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	dude srlsy ?	[20:45]
JohnGalt1337	somebody just got robbed	[20:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3632 @ 0.00066438 = 2.413 BTC [-]	[20:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4468 @ 0.00066412 = 2.9673 BTC [-]	[20:53]
jurov	Our many and talented graphical artists are hard at work refining the abyssal beauty that is MPEx.co, and I dare not interrupt them.	[20:57]
jurov	^^mircea, do you use gremlins?	[20:57]
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jurov	*use/employ	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	pixies	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1209 @ 0.00737449 = 8.9158 BTC [-]	[21:12]
jurov	now am really curious what will reddit say to it all: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17rjzk/mpex_this_is_what_we_mean_by_bitcoin_will/	[21:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.007395 = 73.95 BTC [+]	[21:13]
Bugpowder	reddit is truly full of morons	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	noo !?	[21:15]
jurov	perhaps. but someone might get the point.	[21:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 40 @ 0.79 = 31.6 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.79 = 15.8 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.79 = 3.16 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.79 = 10.27 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5532 @ 0.00066412 = 3.6739 BTC [-]	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2868 @ 0.00066411 = 1.9047 BTC [-]	[21:18]
Bugpowder	http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/02/98-asic-choices-avalon-update.html	[21:18]
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smickles	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mpex-tech-stuff/#footnote_0_45984 makes the fee i paid worth it :)	[21:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.79 = 3.95 BTC [-]	[21:23]
evoorhees	sorry noob question here...	[21:25]
evoorhees	why are havelock shares of SDICE 0.79?	[21:25]
evoorhees	are they sold in batches of 100?	[21:25]
jurov	yes they are	[21:25]
evoorhees	question answered, thanks :)	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	course i guess topace hasn't been on in a little	[21:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [-]	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	and he's run out of shares driving the price up	[21:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0079 BTC [+]	[21:28]
jurov	ironically, most actively maintained/arbitraged passthrough is the litecoin one, run by deprived	[21:28]
jurov	through coinbr :D	[21:29]
jurov	he moves stuff almost every day	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	deprived is really very competent/active	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	not sure why he sits put in ltcs.	[21:33]
mjr_	really nice article on reddit mircea_popescu	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	a ty	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	so upvote	[21:34]
mjr_	no account	[21:35]
mjr_	but i can change that	[21:35]
mjr_	hold on	[21:35]
jurov	snatches the article away	[21:36]
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mjr_	upvoted	[21:37]
mjr_	specifically about database locking	[21:37]
mjr_	i'm not sure i understood how you were fixing that issue	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [-]	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	the how wasn't actually explained.	[21:38]
mjr_	ah ok	[21:38]
mjr_	that makes sense then that i didn't understand it...i have to deal with databases a lot and they can be a pain	[21:39]
mjr_	specifically because of locking issues...	[21:39]
mjr_	also, how would dedicated circuits play into what you were talking about re: phishing	[21:39]
mjr_	i mean, the endpoints are fixed, and don't most banks rely on them, in colocations and carrier hotels?	[21:40]
jurov	dedicated circuits???	[21:40]
mjr_	we get our market data through instinet and sfti...but it is not really over the internet	[21:40]
mjr_	everything goes through a physical point to point connection	[21:40]
mjr_	dedicated circuit...maybe metro ethernet in some cases	[21:41]
mjr_	but typically it is a /29 subnet mask...only 2 addresses anyway	[21:41]
jurov	i don't think mpex will be able to afford laying fiber even to biggest customers in near future	[21:41]
mjr_	lol	[21:42]
mjr_	not have to lay fiber	[21:42]
mjr_	host in a data center where you can cross connect to other people	[21:42]
jurov	but that's tailored to HFT. and MP is quite anti-HFT.	[21:43]
mjr_	just curious, because most big markets and banks do that...so i don't know how phishing can interfere in those cases, obviously customer on online banking website is vulnerable	[21:43]
mjr_	kinda...i think it is mostly for reliabilty and just plain access	[21:43]
mjr_	for example, if you want arca market data...you have to get it from somewhere and typically you do that through a circuit	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ a dedicated circuit is vulnerable to splicing	[21:44]
mjr_	yes true	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	in principle, there's two ways to handle things :	[21:44]
mjr_	but not with the same ease as phishing typically	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	either secure the conduit, message agnostic, or secure the message, conduit agnostic.	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	everyone is currently doing the former. i am doing the later	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	and i say it's the Right Thing.	[21:44]
mjr_	well when put that way, conduit agnostic is very much prefferd	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	https is securing the conduit, ignoring the message. so is dedicated circuit. so is everything done currently pretty much	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	no wonder it doesn't work.	[21:45]
mjr_	yes	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	now, fiber is slightly bettert as a secure conduit, esp if you have quantum verifiers	[21:45]
mjr_	do you think you could build encryption into the nic card and switch/router?	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	(which are epensive tho)	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	but in general, you can't secure a cable.	[21:45]
mjr_	LOL yes they certainly are	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	i would expect that encryption stays with the person.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	see the next article on the blog about something along those lines.	[21:46]
mjr_	yes, i just mean that typically pgp is not the easiest thing for most people	[21:46]
mjr_	i agree completely that encryption is vital	[21:46]
mjr_	and i think you are doing things the Right Way	[21:46]
mjr_	sometimes the Right Way is also the Hard Way, though, and even though it's well worth the value, adoption rate is important, so making the Right Way easier would be nice	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	but that's tailored to HFT. and MP is quite anti-HFT. << im not anti hft. im anti stupidity, which is mostly phantom orders.	[21:47]
mjr_	yes very true	[21:48]
mjr_	i was going to ask about speed of executions...	[21:48]
jurov	mircea, good clarification.	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00066716 = 3.0689 BTC [+]	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	no argument that this is kinda hard, but not so sure it's for a good reason	[21:49]
mjr_	jurov: and if he was against HFT why would he provide API? it's practically the only use for it, besides building a pretty front end (although maybe you mean a slow bot?)	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	i mean... oral sex seems the HARD THING,	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	esp if you're a 1950s housewife	[21:49]
mjr_	yes changing attitudes is tough	[21:49]
mjr_	but inevitable	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ the problem with hfts isn't that they're fast. it's that they retroactively change time.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	as in... this order "wasn't really there sorry".	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	that's bs.	[21:49]
mjr_	total bs, and i don't know how you would do that	[21:50]
mjr_	if you get the ack back...its real	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	ya well give me an example of a hft getting crossed by retail lol.	[21:50]
mjr_	and most exchanges won't bust that trade for you	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	actually, let me dig out this instructive example	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpex-and-the-hft-problem/	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	mostly for the quote	[21:50]
mjr_	my favorite usage of HFT was the guy who used the speed of light to his advantage	[21:51]
mjr_	ie. it would take 11ms for any information from NY to reach Chicago	[21:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 738 @ 0.007395 = 5.4575 BTC [+]	[21:51]
mjr_	so he would have a bot place orders at a very specific time, and then in chicago have orders in place to take advantage of the move he just caused	[21:51]
mjr_	he literally knew the future, because he caused it	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[21:52]
mjr_	admittedly only 11ms into the future but in HFT that can be enough	[21:52]
mjr_	quantum arbitrage LOL	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	sounds like stuff to write novels with	[21:54]
mjr_	yeah, by the way	[21:54]
mjr_	your implementation of the solution is already in place	[21:54]
mjr_	ie. delayed cancels	[21:54]
mjr_	dark pools can be very specific about how long you have to wait b4 canceling	[21:55]
mjr_	on one that we use, it's 30 seconds	[21:55]
mjr_	they can also limit which symbols you can use, how much volume, everything	[21:55]
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mjr_	in exchange for being able to bypass the bots and in fact the whole order book	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	something lik that, yes	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	how much do they charge ?	[21:56]
mjr_	depends...	[21:56]
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mjr_	many times it's around $1 per 1,000	[21:56]
mjr_	with the most expensive being $2.50	[21:56]
mjr_	or somewhere around there	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, i lay no claim to genius on the "not instacancellable" part. ffs it's beyond obvious.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ a, no fixed fee to be included ?	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	many darkpools do charge a seat fee.	[21:56]
mjr_	hmmm....you have to negotiate that with the company, and that is usually on a company level of interaction	[21:57]
mjr_	ie. your company offers you access to these routes	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah,	[21:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1464 @ 0.007395 = 10.8263 BTC [+]	[21:57]
mjr_	that is the specific area where my company shines...	[21:57]
mjr_	at least somewhat	[21:57]
mjr_	prop trading can't really work without access to liquidity pools	[21:58]
mjr_	good fill rates, cheap fees	[21:58]
mjr_	even though i think scalping is almost dead	[21:58]
mjr_	thanks to something known as "toxic order flow"	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	it dies, it comes back	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	it's like a zombie	[21:58]
mjr_	hahaha	[21:58]
mjr_	what also was interesting is that our system is built by romanians	[21:59]
mjr_	so much respect to the education system there in regards to math and science	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	5 points (69% like it)	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	9 up votes 4 down votes	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	i like how that thing is getting upvoted into a frenzy	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	but reddit keeps it at 5	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.0098 = 0.098 BTC [-]	[22:00]
mjr_	yeah	[22:00]
mjr_	;;help	[22:01]
gribble	The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/	[22:01]
mjr_	!facts	[22:01]
mjr_	ok...	[22:01]
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mjr_	two questions, are signup fees accounted for in mpoe, and can you transfer your positions from a broker back to mpex	[22:06]
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smickles	yes and yes	[22:07]
mjr_	thanks	[22:07]
mjr_	that is an awesome model	[22:07]
jurov	mjr_, do you already decided on referral?	[22:07]
smickles	well, technically, the fee goes to mpex, but it gets paid to s.mpoe shareholders	[22:07]
mjr_	mirceau_popescu: also, I love how you mention NYSE as underdog	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ if you mean accounted for as in, passed ti shareholders, yes. there's a special line in the monthly reports.	[22:07]
mjr_	cool	[22:08]
mjr_	that's what i meant	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	and as to the brokers, you have to ask them, but most everyone does it.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	not doing it pretty much means bucket shop/fraud	[22:08]
mjr_	because it would be awesome to be able to contribute to a business that you are invested in...signing up helps your actual investment	[22:08]
mjr_	well, i really look forward to wider acceptance, and hopefully larger holdings for me...	[22:09]
smickles	if only a little	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ that's the ide	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	a	[22:09]
mjr_	Amadeo Giannini i would like to be like this guy	[22:09]
mjr_	and start lending	[22:09]
mjr_	set up a table on the docks and hand out money	[22:10]
mjr_	it worked out ok for him...	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	not that easy tgo	[22:10]
mjr_	yeah	[22:10]
mjr_	i think what will have to happen is that you will have to use current practices, but denominate loans in btc	[22:11]
malaimo	since you guys are talking about mpex architecture: would be cool to make withdrawals more automated, e.g. as on the exchanges	[22:11]
smickles	hmm, sounds spooky	[22:13]
mjr_	can you not automate that using the API?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	malaimo i have my doubts about that.	[22:14]
smickles	all withdrawals are manually approved	[22:14]
smickles	malaimo: if you want instant withdrawal, used a broker who provides that	[22:14]
jurov	wow, there actually is one?	[22:15]
smickles	I'm sure there is/are for relatively small amounts	[22:15]
jurov	in coinbr case it's possible but far from guaranteed	[22:16]
smickles	yeah, much depends on the broker's 'off mpex float'	[22:16]
smickles	or the availability of cheap shortterm loans	[22:17]
mjr_	has anyone really started using the advanced bitcoin features?	[22:18]
gesell	i think google is starting to seriously throttle my all my google code since i put the arbitrage spreadsheet on reddit :/	[22:19]
smickles	which ones? mjr_	[22:19]
gesell	grr	[22:19]
mjr_	third party arbitration	[22:19]
mjr_	contracts etc	[22:19]
mjr_	that could be used to form a trust service (maybe against the founding goals, but still, could be useful)	[22:19]
mjr_	like for example...i don't think i have ever read one negative article about mpex or mirceau_popescu	[22:20]
smickles	i think there are a few things which use the m-of-n signature txns, but i've not seen any of the contracts or conditional sends	[22:20]
jurov	they aren't directly supported by satoshi client	[22:20]
smickles	etc	[22:20]
mjr_	so i would say most people would trust him	[22:20]
smickles	< mjr_> like for example...i don't think i have ever read one negative article about mpex or mirceau_popescu <<< lolwut?	[22:20]
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mjr_	the closest i ever read was sock puppet on SA..but that wasn't even really saying anything bad	[22:21]
mjr_	ie. no one has ever said he scammed them	[22:21]
mjr_	that i've read on a forum	[22:21]
mjr_	maybe chats i missed here, but i would say he has the equivalent of AAA credit within bitcoin	[22:21]
smickles	there are people who're pissed about the way f.giga.etf went	[22:21]
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mjr_	ok, i missed that discussion	[22:22]
smickles	but, yeah, most to all of the 'bad' about mpex/mircea is that mpex looks ugly	[22:22]
smickles	or 'i don't understand why you use gpg'	[22:22]
mjr_	lol, maybe should do more research, but still...within bitcoin who would have the highest "credit rating"	[22:23]
smickles	in not so nice words	[22:23]
mjr_	lol, thats one of my favorite parts of it	[22:23]
mjr_	mpex UI	[22:23]
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mjr_	look at reddit	[22:23]
mjr_	craigslist	[22:23]
mjr_	sometimes too much html5 and flash animations just get annoying	[22:23]
mjr_	ooh rounded corners and drop shadow	[22:24]
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mjr_	a lot of current websites are very much "form over function"	[22:24]
smickles	the f.giga.etf issue was basically, that the original gigavps asset stopped, and people thought that the mpex listing would take action to acquire the new gigavps	[22:24]
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mjr_	what was that company doing? an etf of what?	[22:25]
smickles	and mircea felt that taking action to acquire a new asset when the original one dissolved was outside of the f.gigga.etf contract	[22:25]
smickles	(it wasn't really an etf)	[22:25]
smickles	more like a single asset fund	[22:25]
mjr_	oh ok, i was going to say, i don't see the real point of an etf at the moment	[22:25]
mjr_	within bitcoin, there are only a few legit publicly traded companies you can buy all of them yourself	[22:26]
smickles	mircea's a bit of a word anarchist sometimes	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00067024 = 3.8874 BTC [+]	[22:26]
mjr_	oh by the way...i found the url to the site that i want to get to start taking bitcoins...	[22:26]
mjr_	options168.com	[22:26]
mjr_	one of my friends binary options ideas	[22:27]
mjr_	at the end of the day it's very similar to satoshidice (in the sense of expected value, house cut)	[22:28]
mjr_	not in the sense of using the block chain for randomness	[22:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.0098 = 0.8722 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 895 @ 0.00737449 = 6.6002 BTC [-]	[22:29]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 12 @ 0.0099 = 0.1188 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 373 @ 0.00737449 = 2.7507 BTC [-]	[22:32]
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mjr_	mirceau_popescu: upon furthor thought, i think that what you have set up IS the equivalent of a circuit...ie. you can verify communication between you and someone else, but i don't think it could work as a broadcast type message (i may be wrong) if i wanted it to take multiple hops, i would be vulnerable to MitM and phishing right?	[22:35]
mjr_	because only you can make sense of the message, since the message is encrypted...or am i mixing up my OSI model here :)	[22:36]
mjr_	ie PGP works for a point to point conversation, but if you want to make it routable you have to provide more info to the network (not actual content, but destination etc)	[22:37]
mjr_	is this how VPN would work too? unless i'm mistaken, i believe a VPN is encrypted (or can be)	[22:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00066716 = 3.6027 BTC [-]	[22:41]
maximian	more confused knuckle draggers over at Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17rae6/satoshi_dice_has_almost_tripled_since_its_ipo/	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00066715 = 1.0007 BTC [-]	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4680 @ 0.00067014 = 3.1363 BTC [+]	[22:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067194 = 2.9035 BTC [+]	[22:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9399 @ 0.00067229 = 6.3189 BTC [+]	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	l;alala	[22:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066737 = 2.8837 BTC [-]	[22:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00066715 = 0.1861 BTC [-]	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	o hey, im being discussed :D	[22:50]
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makomk	malaimo markedathome maximian midnightmagic mircea_popescu mjr_ mod6 molecular	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ : if i wanted it to take multiple hops, i would be vulnerable to MitM and phishing right? << wrong	[22:50]
mjr_	they couldn't read the message, but theyt could disrupt it	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	take for instance mpex db dump : http://mpex.co/db_dump.php	[22:51]
mjr_	right?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	go ahead, download it.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	what diff does it make ? you don't have the key for it.	[22:52]
mjr_	yes true	[22:52]
mjr_	and i took a look	[22:52]
mjr_	can't do anything with it	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	so now. if i want to talk to all the users on mpex, i could just post a long file, made out of bits, each encrypted with a user's signature.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	everyone would only get his own, causwe that's the only one he can decrypt	[22:53]
mjr_	yeah	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	conduit is completely irrelevant	[22:53]
mjr_	true	[22:53]
mjr_	thanks for the explanation	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	this is why you can always trust a mpex "phisher"	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	all he can do is proxy	[22:53]
mjr_	well that is what i meant...what if he doesn't pass on the messsage?	[22:54]
mjr_	or in other words why would he	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	then you know it's not mpex	[22:54]
mjr_	yes, true	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	that's all really.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	but i don't see many people bothering, no. there's no benefit	[22:54]
mjr_	i think it is a clean and very secure system	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	i think so too.	[22:54]
mjr_	a lot easier than managing vpn's	[22:54]
mjr_	but do those address the issue of people being able to securely send messages?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah. this would not be feasible if i tried to do it like it;'s currently done in the fiat finance world.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	but there's a BIG lesson in here. think about it : i have technoklogy that allows me to do what they do much cheaper.	[22:55]
mjr_	yes, true	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10821 @ 0.00066715 = 7.2192 BTC [-]	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.00066565 = 0.1857 BTC [-]	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get that last q.	[22:55]
mjr_	well that is what i love about this community, very grass roots	[22:56]
mjr_	bottom up planning	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2735 @ 0.00067229 = 1.8387 BTC [+]	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15 @ 0.00067504 = 0.0101 BTC [+]	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	smickles http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17rjzk/mpex_this_is_what_we_mean_by_bitcoin_will/c887zpp	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	thats some prime hatin' right there :D	[22:56]
mjr_	ah i had one other question/issue that i wanted to throw out here	[22:57]
mjr_	in instances like takin a cab or paying for fast food	[22:57]
mjr_	one to ten minutes for approval is not feasible...	[22:57]
mjr_	and obviously maybe it can't be applied to everything	[22:58]
mjr_	but is there any discussion on that subject?	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3294 @ 0.00067505 = 2.2236 BTC [+]	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4306 @ 0.00067504 = 2.9067 BTC [-]	[22:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1406 @ 0.00067505 = 0.9491 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00067516 = 4.4209 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00067653 = 2.1311 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1596 @ 0.00067746 = 1.0812 BTC [+]	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ yes. it mostly consists of my pr pointing out it doesn't work and people glazingvoer.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134024.msg1493309#msg1493309	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	most recent example	[23:03]
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smickles	< mjr_> in instances like takin a cab or paying for fast food << in situations like that, some feel it is save enough to accept 0 confirmations	[23:06]
smickles	also, there is one of those 'advanced' features you mentioned earler to solve this	[23:07]
jurov	smickles, not really. that would be akin to city transportation not giving a fuck about security of chip cards	[23:07]
mjr_	thanks smickles, i thought that was a very nice response	[23:07]
smickles	basically, you can create at tx which is for a significant amount (say 10 btc), but only gets approved in small in small bits, (say .1 btc)	[23:08]
mjr_	and good link mirceau	[23:08]
mjr_	i think that is also very true	[23:08]
JohnGalt49ers	you don't need to rely on confirmations when your coins are stored at an exchange	[23:08]
smickles	there are a lot of details, but you can safely accept the small bit part without any confirmation at all	[23:08]
smickles	even unbroadcasted (less than 0 confirms)	[23:08]
mjr_	cool	[23:08]
smickles	it's only been done as 'proof of work', so far as i know tho	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	smickles, not really. that would be akin to city transportation not giving a fuck about security of chip cards << which they don't.	[23:09]
JohnGalt49ers	bitcoin can change ownership without transactions within the blockchain	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	course the hidden thing in all of this is that if mpex scales worth a shit everyone can just do push transactions.	[23:10]
smickles	JohnGalt49ers: like via private key transfer? (what I was talking about is more complicated, and a lot more secure than that. I'll see if i can find the link)	[23:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00067162 = 8.2609 BTC [-]	[23:10]
jurov	with badly done 0-confirmations we'll inevitably end up in credit card territory - everyone will pay for the fraud	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17rae6/satoshi_dice_has_almost_tripled_since_its_ipo/ ahaha this is sweet.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	owner is an asshole!!1	[23:11]
JohnGalt49ers	you have a nice reputation ;)	[23:12]
gesell	anyone got issues getting to google?	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00733364 = 4.4002 BTC [-]	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	it's funny tho, why am i an asshole	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	people get so wrapped up in their own mind	[23:13]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17rjzk/mpex_this_is_what_we_mean_by_bitcoin_will/ also gets some lulz	[23:14]
smickles	i think this is what i was talking about https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_7:_Rapidly-adjusted_.28micro.29payments_to_a_pre-determined_party	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	"the "shares" that MPEx has that it lets you buy and then sell ... how did they get them, and what exactly are these shares?"	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	heavily philosophical too	[23:14]
smickles	lolwut?	[23:15]
JohnGalt49ers	yeah that's more sophisticated then what I had in mind	[23:15]
gesell	explain to them that gpg, command line foo and mpex design should be percieved like the days when the internet filled up with idiots... we'd still stick to vms to have some peace of mind from it all	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	"o noes, but nobody can get on mpex!1"	[23:16]
mod6	oh gno!	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	im on the other side of it, trying to hold the doors down lol	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	nobody can get into mpex to the tune of 10 ppl a day or some shit	[23:16]
maximian	"oh my god, MPEx is the geekiest stock exchange I've ever seen. you have to send commands via command line? no web interface?" << this is actually what attracted me to mpex!	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	maximian i think a few people	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway if mod6 evergets the iphone app out that'll be funny	[23:17]
mod6	:D	[23:17]
smickles	hmm, i don't recall that article being much about race	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	dude if you don't launch soon ima start sending escorts to your door at like 2am	[23:18]
mod6	iphone app someday, android version soon	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	topless	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	and drunk.	[23:18]
mod6	haha	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066569 = 2.8764 BTC [-]	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3421 @ 0.00066565 = 2.2772 BTC [-]	[23:18]
mod6	that might help	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	smickles i think racist is what pinkos call people who call them pinkos	[23:18]
mod6	one thing im gonna work on today is wrapping up json stat stuff. but then i gotta get that encryption stuff wrapped up.	[23:18]
mod6	next version -- might be using bccapi maybe.	[23:19]
mod6	we'll see what works	[23:19]
pizzaman1337	mod6: iphone app for what?	[23:19]
mod6	its for MPEx	[23:19]
pizzaman1337	oh, nice	[23:19]
*	mircea_popescu just realised he's such an old man, confuses iphone and android liberally.	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1277 @ 0.00733364 = 9.3651 BTC [-]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2231 @ 0.007395 = 16.4982 BTC [+]	[23:19]
mod6	i have a ton of work done already for an Android version. its called BitOTTer... http://www.bitotter.com	[23:20]
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mod6	but.. its kinda rough with some of the encryption stuff - and making sure someones private key is secure is a challenge.	[23:20]
mod6	which leads me to mircea_popescu's thing that he posted on trilema about the eyescan2pgpkeys	[23:21]
pizzaman1337	encrypt it?	[23:21]
mod6	pretty l33t there, verdad?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	innit!	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	course asciilifeform is all no! you must use geiger counters!	[23:22]
mod6	pizzaman1337: yup, i've implemented a way... i started off trying to do some other ways, like a keystore, etc.. but that didn't work out.	[23:22]
pizzaman1337	mod6: just curious, how do you plan on monetizing that? (if at all)	[23:22]
mod6	ate up a bunch of time too, now the code reads in the private key, will ask the user for a passphrase to encrypt the private key with, then that will be used to decrypt when needed to read in the priavte key upon launch. this will be a different passphrase that is used with the PGP private key itself, of course.	[23:23]
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jurov	why all the trouble? just use throwaway key. scan iris, pay 30 bucks, trade on teh mpex. problem solved.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	3. Conclusions	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	Depending on BFL's shipping schedule, the network hashrate could be from ~ 120 Thps to ~ 290Thps, with Difficulty reaching between 15 and 40 million before mid May.	[23:23]
mod6	jurov: ;)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	dudes sit around writing that shit on their blogs	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	but do they trade x.idiff ? no they don't.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	sheesh.	[23:24]
mod6	pizzaman1337: it'll be availble through the MPEx affiliate program.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov ikr?	[23:24]
jurov	yes right	[23:24]
smickles	max diff at may's close is 220,868,234,397	[23:26]
smickles	or wait, what's the current diff	[23:26]
smickles	;;bc,diff	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	3mn	[23:26]
gribble	2968775.3320751	[23:26]
smickles	194,561,660,163	[23:26]
smickles	that's the max	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	https://www.bitcoinasic.net/	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	whoa nelly!	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	the azns were canadians from iraq!	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	"We're Open	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	All of the firmware and software we develop for our devices are completely opensource."	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	no github link. completely open. brain fell out.	[23:28]
smickles	minimum diff is 2968775	[23:28]
smickles	lol, copypast fail	[23:29]
smickles	minumum diff is 45	[23:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00067162 = 4.7685 BTC [+]	[23:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320 @ 0.00067229 = 0.2151 BTC [+]	[23:34]
mod6	I've never quite understood why people feel so but hurt about the website. I mean, its really just a formality. It doesn't even need a website! lol	[23:38]
mod6	http://memegenerator.net/instance/34241156	[23:38]
mod6	haha, *butthurt	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	im seriously thinking of eventually taking the website off entirely.	[23:39]
mod6	I mean, it exists as a way for people to go, "Oh hey! It exists!"	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	pretty much	[23:39]
mod6	but, it is totally not required.	[23:39]
mod6	ya	[23:39]
mod6	:)	[23:39]
jurov	also that would fall nicely into the plan to tell noobs coinbr is all there is, mpex is the old version	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	course, since i was gonna have to pipe orders in somehow	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	and have a gateway	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	80 made the most sense	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	and if you're gonna have webserver up anyway...	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	might as well	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	lol jurov prepare for drama	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	this avalon thread is so full of win	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	even giga is trolling them	[23:41]
mod6	TROLL HARDER!	[23:41]
mod6	lol	[23:41]
kakobrekla	url	[23:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00067229 = 2.7564 BTC [+]	[23:41]
mod6	oh and MOAR CAPZ too	[23:41]
mod6	JUST CUZ	[23:42]
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maximian	Just looking at the Jan s.dice statement. 1.2M BTC in handle is stunning… wow!	[23:45]
maximian	the whole thing is what, two guys and a server?	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	if that.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	no but in seriousness, they're pretty smart guys, survived the recent doublespend attacks that wiped a few of the betting people	[23:47]
maximian	this should be evoorhee's full time job… he's going to be fabulously rich	[23:47]
maximian	yeah, bright and competent	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	it may become that, who knows.	[23:48]
JohnGalt49ers	I took 6k from him	[23:49]
JohnGalt49ers	$	[23:50]
error4733	please you'r welcome this month again	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	took as in, gambled ?	[23:50]
JohnGalt49ers	yes, 7 btc to 500 something	[23:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 988 @ 0.0079 = 7.8052 BTC [+]	[23:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.008 = 0.096 BTC [+]	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	this is so weird...	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	pre-dividends, crickets.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	dividends paid, people start buying	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	why not buy 6 hours earlier get divs too ?!	[23:52]
JohnGalt49ers	weird indeed	[23:53]
maximian	amateurs who don't get the whole dividends thing?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	maybe yea	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	there were some reasonable blocks bought on mpex pre-divs	[23:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.765 = 3.825 BTC [-]	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.7567 = 6.8103 BTC [-]	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.760001 = 7.6 BTC [+]	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [-]	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 37 @ 0.7567519 = 27.9998 BTC [-]	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.7567 = 3.0268 BTC [-]	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.7567 = 4.5402 BTC [-]	[23:58]
evoorhees	yeah I don't know why people would wait to buy until after the dividend lol	[23:58]
evoorhees	you're doing it wrong	[23:59]
malaimo	maybe to pick up some "cheap" shares from people who want out after the most recent dividend...	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	except nobody sold	[23:59]

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