Forum logs for 01 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}	[00:00]
mod6	blah blah blah %h	[00:00]
mod6	%h	[00:00]
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fluffypony	good job mod6	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}	[00:02]
mod6	thx fluffypony	[00:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}	[00:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}	[00:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]	[00:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}	[00:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]	[00:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]	[00:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]	[00:07]
BingoBoingo	I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?	[00:09]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: Spondoolies	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?	[00:11]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: seems so	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.	[00:12]
fluffypony	what I mean is	[00:13]
fluffypony	I haven't got one in my hands	[00:13]
fluffypony	:-P	[00:13]
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rithm	go away assbot you are drunk	[00:15]
rithm	!down danilepbarron	[00:16]
rithm	!down danielpbarron	[00:16]
assbot	rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.	[00:16]
rithm	why not assbot	[00:16]
rithm	you suck	[00:16]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?	[00:17]
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danielpbarron	??	[00:17]
mike_c	or, 'someone'	[00:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.	[00:18]
benkay	should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges	[00:18]
benkay	ghash.io?	[00:18]
danielpbarron	!down rithm	[00:19]
assbot	danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.	[00:19]
benkay	nope.	[00:19]
danielpbarron	lol	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.	[00:19]
rithm	would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron	[00:19]
mike_c	these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/	[00:19]
danielpbarron	rithm: no	[00:19]
danielpbarron	rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game	[00:20]
rithm	i just listen now because assbot	[00:20]
rithm	assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.	[00:21]
mike_c	yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.	[00:22]
mike_c	pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.	[00:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"	[00:24]
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fluffypony	AntMiner has an extremely positive perception	[00:24]
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mike_c	112bit's thread: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/antminer-s1-u-s-868-u2-x-500-u-s-8550-bitmain-for-usa-112bit-com.255811/	[00:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]	[00:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]	[00:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}	[00:37]
danielpbarron	has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}	[00:43]
fluffypony	yes, keybase.io	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]	[00:44]
danielpbarron	right, that's what i'm referring to	[00:44]
danielpbarron	what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account	[00:44]
asciilifeform	keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right	[00:45]
danielpbarron	you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting	[00:45]
danielpbarron	the concept can be done independantly	[00:45]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only	[00:45]
fluffypony	so I'm told	[00:45]
danielpbarron	you can	[00:45]
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asciilifeform	how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me	[00:46]
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danielpbarron	lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it	[00:47]
asciilifeform	or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'	[00:47]
danielpbarron	w/e	[00:48]
asciilifeform	of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever	[00:48]
danielpbarron	it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users	[00:48]
danielpbarron	you could issue a twitter revocation message	[00:48]
danielpbarron	your GPG key wouldn't be compromised	[00:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}	[00:49]
danielpbarron	there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)	[00:49]
punkman	nonsense	[00:51]
pankkake	if only namecoin didn't solve all that already	[00:51]
pankkake	perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io	[00:51]
fluffypony	nameco.in ?	[00:52]
danielpbarron	that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now	[00:52]
fluffypony	domain hacks are all the rage	[00:52]
danielpbarron	or was that sarcasm?	[00:52]
punkman	isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?	[00:52]
pankkake	https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake	[00:52]
ozbot	NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID	[00:52]
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pankkake	except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone	[00:53]
pankkake	and (omg) it's decentralized	[00:53]
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danielpbarron	why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!	[00:53]
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danielpbarron	and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site	[00:54]
danielpbarron	i had already reserved id/dpb :D	[00:54]
pankkake	:)	[00:54]
punkman	how big is the namecoin blockchain now?	[00:54]
pankkake	1.8G	[00:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]	[01:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}	[01:10]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/03/25/phoenix-mickey-pit-bull-fate/6879191/	[01:15]
ozbot	Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	ooo look at all the blinking lights	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony that was unexpected	[01:19]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: ikr	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[01:21]
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BigBitz	mircea_popescu !	[01:22]
BigBitz	Where is my assbot trust!	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	assbot trusts no one	[01:23]
BigBitz	DATTRUST.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot BigBitz	[01:24]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz \| Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	there it is.	[01:24]
BigBitz	pesky assbot!	[01:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/elizabeth-raine_n_5227509.html	[01:24]
ozbot	Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics	[01:25]
fluffypony	BigBitz you've had L2 since forever	[01:25]
BigBitz	fluffypony dat L2.	[01:25]
BigBitz	;;rated fluffypony	[01:25]
gribble	You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..	[01:25]
fluffypony	forrizzle	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	such photoshopping	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up	[01:25]
BigBitz	<3	[01:25]
fluffypony	<5	[01:25]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu I did :P	[01:25]
BigBitz	I am +v	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	a ok wd.	[01:25]
BigBitz	ty ty	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	"In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}	[01:25]
fluffypony	[00:25:28] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel	[01:26]
fluffypony	now he'll be famous	[01:26]
BigBitz	Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	lol he has a point.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	there's a 'fetish component'	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]	[01:27]
asciilifeform	some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once	[01:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]	[01:28]
asciilifeform	same idea	[01:28]
ThickAsThieves	does it include proof of hymen?	[01:28]
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asciilifeform	damned if i know, ask the client.	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]	[01:29]
ThickAsThieves	meh	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	actulaly some do.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	in same countries, also get stitching op	[01:29]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe she has butt sex daily	[01:29]
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asciilifeform	'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,	[01:30]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:30]
asciilifeform	antibody-based test.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo	[01:30]
asciilifeform	would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber	[01:30]
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ThickAsThieves	my first gf was such	[01:31]
asciilifeform	as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.	[01:31]
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ThickAsThieves	all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"	[01:32]
asciilifeform	perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."	[01:32]
ThickAsThieves	well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time	[01:33]
ThickAsThieves	my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it	[01:33]
ThickAsThieves	she was ostracized basically	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?	[01:33]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	aty	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'	[01:35]
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JorgePasada	I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes	[01:36]
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fluffypony	JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy	[01:36]
fluffypony	but pankkake hates altcoins	[01:36]
asciilifeform	it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt	[01:36]
fluffypony	he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth	[01:36]
JorgePasada	fluffypony: which ones and why?	[01:37]
asciilifeform	but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	JorgePasada seems a safe bet.	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /	[01:38]
fluffypony	JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)	[01:39]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!	[01:39]
asciilifeform	because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	hehe. peer pressure ftw.	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[01:40]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC	[01:40]
ThickAsThieves	i ended up ditching the peers too	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yea	[01:40]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Proof of Shit	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	holy shit it nearly made 1%	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony explain the idea to me.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!	[01:40]
ThickAsThieves	kobecoin	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	lol tepescoin	[01:41]
JorgePasada	Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?	[01:41]
kakobrekla	correct	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	ty	[01:41]
JorgePasada	Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.	[01:42]
*	fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake	[01:42]
fluffypony	goddamn /me	[01:42]
JorgePasada	the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)	[01:42]
fluffypony	JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it	[01:42]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list	[01:42]
asciilifeform	i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	no rush.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform idem.	[01:43]
JorgePasada	ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?	[01:43]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion	[01:43]
asciilifeform	it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'	[01:43]
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asciilifeform	which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	http://www.wired.com/2014/04/bitcoin_beer/	[01:44]
ozbot	Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin \| Enterprise \| WIRED	[01:44]
BingoBoingo	^^ the20year mrstickball	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	It has been for most of its history.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	that apparently only they know about.	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.	[01:46]
joecool	well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?	[01:46]
joecool	unless you're a sex offender	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah	[01:46]
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joecool	typical ohio resident https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2472256766/Picture_2.png	[01:47]
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asciilifeform	the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/29/us_commando_mission_in_philippines_getting_overhaul	[01:49]
ozbot	U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul	[01:49]
kakobrekla	yes its amazing	[01:49]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	me ♥ mike	[01:49]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon	[01:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	☭.	[01:51]
fluffypony	01f1ee 01f1f9	[01:52]
ThickAsThieves	JorgePosada, but like, who are you?	[01:52]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.	[01:52]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.	[01:53]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?	[01:54]
JorgePasada	ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"	[01:54]
JorgePasada	ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally	[01:55]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange	[01:55]
asciilifeform	shards of the true cross.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.	[01:56]
ThickAsThieves	word	[01:58]
ThickAsThieves	just making sure you arent some kinda crazy	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	everyone wants to fucking push the rope.	[01:58]
BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ok-glass-how-much-do-you-really-cost/	[01:59]
ThickAsThieves	mp i think the20year is in the wot no?	[01:59]
ThickAsThieves	just no one will rate him?	[01:59]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	so you're a fart ?	[02:00]
fluffypony	entreprefart	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.	[02:00]
fluffypony	entreprefeurt	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	i guess so huh.	[02:00]
fluffypony	"They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."	[02:03]
fluffypony	I see	[02:03]
fluffypony	a Google Doc = transparency	[02:03]
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mircea_popescu	first ever transparency.	[02:03]
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fluffypony	HAH HAH	[02:05]
fluffypony	from _mr_e	[02:05]
fluffypony	"I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	thought leader, i can see.	[02:12]
fluffypony	assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"	[02:13]
fluffypony	every time someone says thought	[02:13]
joecool	mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony or leader.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	joecool like which ?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?	[02:14]
BingoBoingo	Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.	[02:14]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: agreed	[02:14]
joecool	mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names	[02:14]
fluffypony	someone pitch it to kako	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	aok	[02:14]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing	[02:14]
joecool	it's the hipster way™	[02:15]
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BingoBoingo	I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	!up napedia	[02:17]
assbot	Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.	[02:17]
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joecool	BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless...	[02:18]
joecool	BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	the curse of success.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	you end up trying to replicate it.	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.	[02:19]
fluffypony	bed time noa, night guys	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	every night, too.	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	Srsly	[02:20]
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Naphex	well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's	[02:20]
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BingoBoingo	Sleep all at once and get it over with	[02:20]
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mircea_popescu	^	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	six hours should be enough for everyone.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/31e6bdedcfbe81dea88919d5c48162c9/tumblr_mxxmb6GLgJ1riu9eco1_500.png	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	that shit's epic.	[02:21]
Naphex	lol	[02:22]
Naphex	strlen for hashing functions	[02:22]
Naphex	thats the joke ;]	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust jorash	[02:24]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash \| Rated since: never	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	my articles are fair and balanced	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/moral-police-your-checking-account-chase-bank-shuts-down-accounts-adult	[02:27]
ozbot	The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers \|	[02:27]
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midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.	[02:29]
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mircea_popescu	atc is handling it way better than the average.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	"profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.	[02:30]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.	[02:31]
mike_c	"every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	not for this reason.	[02:36]
mike_c	bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	let the coin write its own history, what.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."	[02:37]
mike_c	yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	afaik he mines lol.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	%book	[02:41]
atcbot	35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 \| 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	doesn't look worrisome yet.	[02:41]
mike_c	re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.	[02:44]
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mike_c	it was some good quotes from the trial though.	[02:45]
JorgePasada	mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	mike_c definitely.	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.	[02:46]
JorgePasada	mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"	[02:46]
JorgePasada	all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	most kids don't get to. that's life.	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.	[02:47]
JorgePasada	Buyers/speculators are essential to market health	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.	[02:49]
JorgePasada	agent agnostic in what sense?	[02:49]
JorgePasada	I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good	[02:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.	[02:51]
ozbot	A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.	[02:53]
JorgePasada	Following up to here	[02:55]
JorgePasada	It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,	[02:55]
JorgePasada	Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)	[02:55]
JorgePasada	Explain further on that comment	[02:55]
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mircea_popescu	i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	"makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing	[02:57]
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JorgePasada	Yeah	[02:57]
JorgePasada	The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing	[02:58]
JorgePasada	the subjectivity of value	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	more like the preminence of pattern over intent.	[02:58]
JorgePasada	and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside	[02:59]
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mircea_popescu	"if being rich doesn’t buy you freedom of speech, you’re rich in the wrong place and at the wrong time." << not bad.	[03:00]
JorgePasada	That's another way of saying the same thing, or maybe it's the next step down the chain	[03:01]
JorgePasada	either way the point remains that all the further down the chain you can quantify is the pattern	[03:01]
JorgePasada	the intent is at best a guessing game	[03:01]
JorgePasada	and at worst, justification for some terrible shit	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/	[03:01]
ozbot	A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	lol this thing is pretty lulzy.	[03:01]
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JorgePasada	So, then I guess a follow up. Would you say intent has any relevance at all in economics?	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	"BP: discrimination is to say that something is apart from other things. The words and actions against him are isolating, hence discriminatory	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	GS: words against him are isolating? what about the words he said?"	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	circular fucking reasoning at its best. talking to your average schmuck on any topic reduces to doing marriage counselling with idiots, for free.	[03:06]
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BingoBoingo	Well, becoming married to their ideas is part of what makes them idiots	[03:09]
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mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[03:12]
JorgePasada	I'd agree with the statement intentions are worthless in general, and always when applied to the aggregate.	[03:12]
JorgePasada	However in specific, exploring possible intent behind actions and actors on an individual or agent level can be useful.	[03:12]
JorgePasada	The thing people forget is you're always analyzing intent through, at minimum, two very subjective biased filters. 1) Your perspective 2) Their Actions.	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	jordandotdev: You are talking about management nao.	[03:13]
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BingoBoingo	Sorry JorgePasada...	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	JorgePasada useful, if you want ot marry them. not economically .	[03:14]
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JorgePasada	mircea_popescu: Isn't that kind of divorcing the act from the actor?	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	the notion that intent is economically relevant is in no way different from proposing it be medically relevant	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	medicine, the actual kind, was born once people finally realised intent don't enter into it,	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	its niot like the patient "hath brought pox upon himself, for his sins" or anything.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	that's the entire point there, to push economy from its current state of shamanism and alchemy to actual science.	[03:18]
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Naphex	gn o/	[03:21]
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JorgePasada	Yep, and I agree with all of it, especially when applied to the market or any kind of aggregate group. I just think I might have some differing opinions when it comes to the individual level. Trying to think them out and find a better way to articulate what exactly it is I'm thinking.	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcron-statement/	[03:23]
ozbot	April 2014 BTC/RON Statement \| Bingo Blog	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcatc-statement/	[03:23]
ozbot	April 2014 BTC/ATC Statement \| Bingo Blog	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: ^	[03:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0382 = 0.191 BTC [+] {5}	[03:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}	[03:24]
JorgePasada	We're in agreement almost completely. Figuring out the almost is interesting though, and productive. Being wrong is the only way to learn, and if I'm wrong I'd like to know sooner rather than later.	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}	[03:25]
JorgePasada	That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with?	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878484 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}	[03:26]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[03:27]
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JorgePasada	Then again, I'm probably a crazy person :-)	[03:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03899993 = 0.234 BTC [+] {6}	[03:31]
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BingoBoingo	!up Franktank_	[03:34]
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Franktank_	What?	[03:34]
kakobrekla	What what?	[03:34]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: ah, thanks. i will digest.	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	Franktank_: U can talk nao	[03:35]
Franktank_	Ok, was I not able to before?	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	No	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	JorgePasada well there's no economics at the individual level	[03:36]
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BingoBoingo	And when the time tuns out you probably won't be able to again until someone gives you voice again	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla see you broke it.	[03:37]
JorgePasada	mircea_popescu: What about how an individual chooses to allocate their time?t	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	then you're discussing time.	[03:37]
kakobrekla	yes i know :\	[03:38]
kakobrekla	all i got was a neat chan and a bunch of angry people.	[03:38]
JorgePasada	mircea_popescu: I see, I think I'm blurring the lines and blending two separate discussions together. I'll re-read that post later, think about it and get back to you when i've got a more concise version of what it is I'm trying to say.	[03:42]
JorgePasada	in the meantime, work needs doing	[03:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[03:43]
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mircea_popescu	idem, these f.mpif books ain't gonna cook themselves...	[03:43]
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BingoBoingo	!up ComplaintsDept	[03:44]
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csshih	:D	[03:44]
csshih	omg mircea_popescu I sold you 25 btc in 2011	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	csshih ayup	[03:45]
*	csshih cries	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	a sucker is you.	[03:45]
csshih	hahaha :D did you hold?	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[03:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {3}	[03:46]
csshih	why is it that everyone I've sold btc/hardware to has done all the right things and is now wealthy	[03:46]
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mircea_popescu	hehe.	[03:48]
Franktank_	Mircea, have they revoked the ban?	[03:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {5}	[03:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03250567 = 0.3251 BTC [-] {6}	[03:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {5}	[03:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	what ban is that ?	[03:50]
Franktank_	from BTCTalk	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	uh	[03:51]
kakobrekla	so wait before we get this straight	[03:52]
kakobrekla	do you believe that mircea is a chick or a prick wearing lady avatar or ??	[03:52]
Franktank_	Actually I have no idea, I do miss the input of MPOE-PR on the Securities subform.	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	Franktank_: Pictures of mircea_popescu and MPOE-PR here http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/	[03:57]
Franktank_	Ah, thanks for that.	[03:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48101 BTC [-]	[04:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[04:09]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Why Disqus? For SRS?	[04:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48100333 = 1.443 BTC [-] {2}	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097333 = 10.95 BTC [+]	[04:12]
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BingoBoingo	!up sunshyne	[04:15]
assbot	Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.	[04:15]
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kakobrekla	some new faces today eh	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg5356505;boardseen#new	[04:16]
ozbot	Cointerra Bankrupted --- People Asking for refunds..	[04:16]
kakobrekla	but but their logo, its so professional.	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	Logo is important	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/	[04:17]
ozbot	F.MPIF, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00096995 = 19.5445 BTC [-]	[04:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03286 = 0.1643 BTC [+] {3}	[04:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[04:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is still getting the 'are you the gurl' questions. wonder what kind of animal i'll be, in the imagination of audience.	[04:19]
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mircea_popescu	was that what that was ?	[04:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	o look... a palinwordrome.	[04:20]
asciilifeform	this is the kind of thought that makes me wonder, perhaps i'm already in the wood chipper, it just isn't switched on yet.	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, are you at present laying in a metal hopper with blades at you feet and/or head?	[04:22]
asciilifeform	not afaik.	[04:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC	[04:22]
asciilifeform	but we should all be prepared for the kind of treatment mp gets, at the very least.	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	Sure.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	$depth F.MPIF	[04:23]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: []	[04:23]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000000 @ 0.000215']	[04:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4000 @ 0.000215 = 0.86 BTC	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	aaaand so it begins	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	jurov ^	[04:25]
asciilifeform	i confess that i had 'bourbaki' thoughts even when climbing off the plane.	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 75000 @ 0.000215 = 16.125 BTC	[04:25]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I doubt Cardano would get that kind of attention. Loper box might though.	[04:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up akstunt600	[04:27]
assbot	Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.	[04:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 11320 @ 0.000215 = 2.4338 BTC	[04:27]
asciilifeform	can't say i relish the idea of attention	[04:28]
asciilifeform	can't eat it, run engine on it	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 23255 @ 0.000215 = 4.9998 BTC	[04:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07355691 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[04:29]
akstunt600	GPA is buggy as all hell on ubuntu	[04:29]
akstunt600	need to gen a new key for this coin	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	akstunt600: What do you mean?	[04:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1337 @ 0.000215 = 0.2875 BTC	[04:30]
akstunt600	the gpa gtk app	[04:31]
akstunt600	for pgp encryption	[04:31]
kakobrekla	its not just ubuntu	[04:32]
akstunt600	Hmm it used to work fine for me in windows way back when, but that was last year	[04:32]
akstunt600	idk anymore, havnt used windows since	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.85901151 / 211.29665950	[04:33]
gribble	0.00879811121671	[04:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 365000 @ 0.000215 = 78.475 BTC	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	akstunt600: GPA kind always sucked.	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	It is neigh impossible to do good GPG key generation off of the commandline	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[04:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[04:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: All of the GUI tools I tried for Key generation suck by restricting options.	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	The key must be made on the commandline.	[04:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	oh. thing read to me as impossible to use cli to do it.	[04:42]
akstunt600	heh	[04:44]
BingoBoingo	I prolly should have paused to word more carefully, but really the CLI is the only way I've found to adequately keygen with the right options	[04:44]
akstunt600	Well luckily i have used and installed PGP server for an enterprise and used gpg numerous times	[04:44]
akstunt600	So at least i know the orkflow	[04:44]
akstunt600	oh well its just nice to have gui to go off of	[04:45]
akstunt600	I have been in terminal all damn day	[04:45]
ThickAsThieves	grats on the MPIF kickoff	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo now on that we agree.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah looking surprisingly good.	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	akstunt600: Well, the thing is it isn't a deep commandline exercise at all. It's just one where the GUI's hide the good options.	[04:45]
akstunt600	yeah like even to decrypt pub key encrypted messages it was awkward, like that main window should have been the spot to drag and drop msgs to encrypt/decrypt	[04:46]
akstunt600	and then the keys in the menu slector	[04:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03547084 = 0.2838 BTC [-] {8}	[04:47]
akstunt600	I should fix GPA maybe	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	Abandon GPA.	[04:47]
akstunt600	after i get this kicked off	[04:47]
akstunt600	Why others need it	[04:47]
akstunt600	and its cross platform	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	No they don't.	[04:47]
akstunt600	?	[04:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547062 = 0.1419 BTC [-] {4}	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	There are better cross platform tools than GPA if you need GPG.	[04:48]
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BingoBoingo	And a gui	[04:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03547002 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {7}	[04:49]
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akstunt600	maybe seahorse + gpg	[04:49]
akstunt600	oh well ill just use CLI	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	akstunt600: Geany, the Text Editor/IDE is great	[04:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547003 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}	[04:50]
akstunt600	hmmm thats interesting	[04:50]
akstunt600	havnt ever used it	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	;;google geany gpg	[04:50]
gribble	Geanypg - Plugins for Geany: ; Geany : Verify GPG Signature: ; Downloads - Plugins for Geany:	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	;;google geany gpg thedrinkingrecord	[04:50]
gribble	Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks \| Bingo ...: ; PGP/GPG Guide \| Bingo Blog: ; October \| 2013 \| Bingo Blog:	[04:50]
akstunt600	yeah installing from repo now	[04:51]
akstunt600	thanks	[04:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03547797 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {5}	[04:51]
akstunt600	haave been using melt or diff depending on how mig the src trees are, any other recommendations	[04:52]
akstunt600	meld*	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	That I dunno	[04:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03649999 = 0.2555 BTC [+] {7}	[04:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[04:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03939869 = 0.394 BTC [+] {10}	[04:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315002 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}	[04:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03924948 = 0.314 BTC [-] {8}	[04:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03325 = 0.1663 BTC [+] {2}	[04:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[04:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03937424 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}	[04:56]
kakobrekla	BingoBoingo even geany gave me pains	[04:58]
kakobrekla	:(	[04:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000215 = 3.225 BTC	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0339636 = 0.3736 BTC [-] {11}	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: It sucks at encryption without some coaxing. It signs and decrypts fine though. Great for offline machines.	[04:59]
kakobrekla	myea	[04:59]
kakobrekla	got a manul to the coaxing perhaps?	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Not that I can get to reproduce this stuff reliably. ATM I can't encrypt with Geany. I swear I used to be able to.	[05:01]
kakobrekla	:D	[05:02]
kakobrekla	nuff said	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	Decrypting and signing are fine though.	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	At least GPG encryption is perfectly safe to do online.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	well... imperfectly safe	[05:04]
mike_c	hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	the site may read oyur plaintext.	[05:05]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[05:05]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	mike_c is that bad ?	[05:05]
mike_c	that is awesome	[05:05]
mike_c	i was trolling tat before for his footnotes > paragraphs post	[05:05]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c is a footnote warrior	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: By online I mean plugged into the internet. Not typed into a webapp.	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	But... Yeah...	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	I guess I can see concern even with that nao	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	That I typed it.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	:p	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[05:06]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/14W3FR1/plain/)	[05:06]
mike_c	paging kakobrekla: need moar json :) http://bitbet.us/stats/18bCNXjdT2NUjcip6KdbFR5EEFAu3oTgTq/?json	[05:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03154294 = 0.1262 BTC [+] {2}	[05:07]
kakobrekla	alright	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	I really can't wait for S.NSA to buy its own foundry in a decade.	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Give or take another decade	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	me2	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	Doesn't have to be cutting edge at all	[05:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03866663 = 0.116 BTC [+] {3}	[05:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[05:15]
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BingoBoingo	!up akstunt600	[05:22]
assbot	Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.	[05:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00097082 = 16.6981 BTC [+]	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[05:25]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 453.84, Best ask: 456.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 453.85, 24 hour volume: 10630.36591056, 24 hour low: 433.08, 24 hour high: 456.0, 24 hour vwap: 445.231896052	[05:25]
mike_c	kakobrekla, mpex trade socket isn't reporting f.mpif. is that temporary or intended?	[05:27]
*	kakobrekla looks	[05:27]
kakobrekla	i dunno i must investigate	[05:29]
mike_c	ok	[05:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00097333 = 10.4331 BTC [+]	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	!t m f.mpif	[05:31]
assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC)	[05:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4281 @ 0.00097388 = 4.1692 BTC [+]	[05:32]
mike_c	i guess the market has decided on a price!	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	i like the style of mpif, not too big for its britches	[05:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	just the 200 or so btc and that's that	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	low volume PCs	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if I should post past ATC trading statements stripped of commentary.	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	i like the commentary fwiw	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	well how big you gonna make it you know ? 200btc is a respectable sum anyway.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	let it grow over time.	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	til the report i was wondering if you were gonna through more btc at the managers to play with	[05:36]
mike_c	some profit centers could handle more than others (panacea, JD)	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	tbh i think for now everyone's got enough	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	i'd love more pcs rather than more in these pcs atm	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, if anything the limiting factor is that only 5 pcs made sense	[05:38]
asciilifeform	gpg had gui!?!?	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It is bundled with a poor attempt at one named GPA	[05:43]
asciilifeform	S.NSA to buy its own foundry << just came back from taking exact dimensions of new flat. not quite big enough for foundry. gonna have to be when i che guevara with mp in jungle.	[05:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Плюс гаванскую сигарету, / И вот ты уже - Фидель, / Ты - Че Гевара, / Автомат взамен гитары...' (http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=27610 - 'the magic of whiskey')	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[05:47]
kakobrekla	so now that everyone bought into mpif, i bring to you, by popular demand (mostly mike_c really) a losing month for panacea: -1.78%	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	ew	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	So... I bring historical ATC trading results sans commentary	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/so-history-the-first-atcbtc-statement-remember-historical/	[05:49]
ozbot	So… History, the First ATC/BTC statement (Remember Historical) \| Bingo Blog	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	'14 +0.12% +0.01% +0.26% -1.78%	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	you broke it!	[05:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.06474168 = 1.6185 BTC [-]	[05:50]
kakobrekla	lets see may.	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	With this and the ending balances of the Mid April statement, the ATC/BTC thing should be quantable, but hopefully not too quantable.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	what's too quantable?	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ?	[05:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1609 @ 0.00012729 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, I'm wary of letting people know where I think natural Bid and Ask borders for ATC lie and what price I consider the border between sellable and buyable.	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	These things may become more fluid, but...	[05:52]
kakobrekla	anyway, if anyone is looking for comment, april was a bit hectic, 9 trades actually happed, details are here http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/	[05:52]
asciilifeform	'In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.' (zapp brannigan, 'futurama')	[05:53]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/page-22 << check out the expert herps.	[05:53]
ozbot	[SHA256] Altcoin \| Page 22 \| Bitcointa.lk	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: They can see your pieces, even their locations, but... hiding intended next locations is a must normally	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla -56.0 ouch	[05:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0317072 = 0.1585 BTC [+] {3}	[05:56]
benkay	good evening d00d	[05:56]
benkay	d00ds	[05:56]
kakobrekla	yea thats about maxint hit.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	benkay please bear in mind that not everyone on the interwebs is a d00d.	[05:57]
*	asciilifeform wants cupric oxide foundry.	[05:57]
asciilifeform	http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/radioroom/cu-diode/rr-cu-diode.htm	[05:57]
benkay	good evening, diodes	[05:57]
asciilifeform	^ cupric oxide for noobs	[05:57]
benkay	HEY LISTEN IF I WANT TO USE A TRADITIONALLY GENDERED NOUN FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE IMMA GON DO THAT MKAY	[05:57]
benkay	y'all	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	benkay: In that case can't you offer "Sup' Bitches"	[05:58]
asciilifeform	cuprous oxide, to be exact	[05:58]
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benkay	ah, excusemebitch did you just say i can't offer things?	[05:58]
benkay	because lissenherebitch i'm pretty sure i can offer a good dickin	[05:58]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: my first big boy gf was a virgin too and blamed me for turning her into a nymphomaniac	[06:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-]	[06:00]
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benkay	bitch is now whelping for someone else	[06:00]
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mircea_popescu	https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-2	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	this shit's lulzy. like esl angry miner forum	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	"totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"	[06:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03116666 = 0.187 BTC [-] {2}	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-3#entry49818	[06:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[06:03]
asciilifeform	'Two researchers had made a diode with a very thin, heavily doped n-layer. When the diode was reverse-biased to the point of avalanche breakdown, a small fraction of the avalache electrons actually shot through the n-region and into a vacuum. They made this the e-beam source in a CRT and it worked pretty well. I am surprised that it has not, to my knowledge, made it out of the laboratory.'	[06:05]
asciilifeform	('unusual diode FAQ.' http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/componen/diodefaq.html)	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	"Finally, you'll need a source of high heat like an electric hot plate or a propane torch."	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	There have to be better sources of heat.	[06:06]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: he's mine.	[06:06]
benkay	his heart may be blackened with sin, but he's mine ;)	[06:06]
benkay	fluffypony: entrefartner	[06:07]
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benkay	fluffypony: my fartner in this entreprederpship exercise	[06:07]
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mike_c	panacea is back in the game! JD's worst month was -24%.	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Did you see that I posted the ATC trading's first statement stripped of comments?	[06:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up Diablo-D3	[06:09]
assbot	Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.	[06:09]
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Diablo-D3	yo	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	Yo	[06:09]
benkay	hey Diablo-D3 tell me something about grains	[06:09]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: i see it now, yeah	[06:09]
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benkay	Diablo-D3: or maybe brussels sprouts. are brussels sprouts bad for me?	[06:09]
Diablo-D3	benkay: grains are a scam perpetrated by the space aliens that run the FDA	[06:10]
Diablo-D3	srsly	[06:10]
benkay	!b2	[06:10]
benkay	!b 3	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Wheat is the best thing in history, next to corn	[06:10]
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Diablo-D3	brussels sprouts are fine though	[06:10]
benkay	fuck you kakobrekla	[06:10]
benkay	BingoBoingo: you lie	[06:10]
benkay	BingoBoingo: corn likker	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	Corn has the high protein content necessary for whiskey distillery	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmgwmfkCYAANDXZ.png	[06:10]
kakobrekla	benkay ?	[06:10]
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kakobrekla	which part excites you	[06:10]
benkay	BingoBoingo: do please explain how protein is essential in distillation process	[06:11]
benkay	kakobrekla: the infernal space between !b and how many	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	benkay: It gets you all of the nice fusile alcohols, for a better hangover	[06:11]
benkay	fusile alcohols?	[06:11]
benkay	holy crap	[06:11]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: the bloomberg terminal? and it's tracking kraken?? nice.	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	benkay: You know things that are organic an -OH without being ETOH	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	i thought it's hysterically lulzy.	[06:12]
benkay	BingoBoingo: more lectures on topic of organic chemistry plz	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	i mean... let's be massively clueless, after resisting for years	[06:12]
benkay	mike_c: it's trakking kraken and coinbase	[06:12]
kakobrekla	ah that thing benkay , well you know, you can still use the long version !bash $n ;)	[06:12]
benkay	i loled hard hard hard	[06:12]
benkay	!bash $echo butts	[06:12]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo must love sake.	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	benkay: So today's lesson. Codeine's active ingredient is actually morphine if you have a liver.	[06:13]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course, but warm.	[06:13]
benkay	no wait i'm still dumb about the fusile alcohols	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	benkay: So you know how there are alcohols that aren't proper ETOH?	[06:13]
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benkay	no i did not because mechanical engineering in the us apparently doesn't care about ochem	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	benkay: I was a philosophy major.	[06:14]
mike_c	holy shit BingoBoingo, you tore it up in Feb.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	i actually went back to uni for ochem as an adult.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	believe or not.	[06:14]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: And in March-April	[06:15]
mike_c	no wonder you got hired as manager	[06:15]
benkay	asciilifeform: i would too, were the school of hard knocks so much more to my taste.	[06:15]
benkay	*not so much	[06:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07189019 = 0.1438 BTC [-]	[06:15]
BingoBoingo	I've only had one Ochem course... In Highschool.	[06:16]
benkay	mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is" << DO YOU HEAR THIS the20year ?	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	Got highered as a Pharmacy school TA because I knew how to proctor tests.	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	!up the20year	[06:16]
assbot	Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.	[06:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03181816 = 0.35 BTC [+] {3}	[06:16]
benkay	oh yah.	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Honestly programming confounds me more than arranging carbon	[06:17]
benkay	anything, the20year ?	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	mike_c bingo did great but nao kako stole all his cookies	[06:17]
asciilifeform	i highly recommend against (american) uni for undergrad ochem. there, it is used as a 'weedout' test for pre-med kids	[06:18]
benkay	^^	[06:18]
benkay	good luck learning anything but how to memorize the pretty pictures.	[06:18]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: weeded me out properly	[06:18]
asciilifeform	ends up being taught as a compendium of cookbook crap	[06:18]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I never took American uni Ochem. Now... without any uni Ochem I sat on most of the PharmD curriculum. Secret is... TA while doing gradschool in an unrelated field	[06:19]
bitcoinpete	never did get the grignard reaction to fly	[06:19]
asciilifeform	(cookbook being entirely wrong term here - they studiously avoid teaching how to prepare anything useful in actuality)	[06:19]
benkay	;;later tell JorgePasada That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with? << why the fuck do you think i dragged your ass in here?	[06:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:20]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: i invited the yubikey kids here for your amusement https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/461633158836789248	[06:21]
BingoBoingo	Still never learned how to make alcohol out of coal and water, though it includes the proper ingredients.	[06:21]
benkay	wrong direction on the entropy ladder	[06:21]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: you just learned to trade like a dog	[06:21]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Define Just	[06:22]
benkay	BingoBoingo: YOU TRADE LIKE A DOG	[06:22]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: it's a term of endearment	[06:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00097388 = 11.1996 BTC [+]	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	Yes, Like a Magestic Corgi that jumps mountains and has a bunch of Colocos as friends.	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Still, just might require a definition.	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	"just"	[06:23]
benkay	hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes. << mike_c: hanbot also actually, you know, writes.	[06:25]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: cup=half full	[06:25]
mike_c	benkay: yeah, other people (bitcoinpete) should take note.	[06:25]
bitcoinpete	mike_c: used to write sans footnote, kinda prefer this way	[06:26]
mike_c	easier to write perhaps, but not to read :)	[06:26]
benkay	LOGGED UP BITCHES	[06:26]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Maybe there are two cups and the average of the two is "half full" yet the cups can grow to greater volumes.	[06:27]
benkay	oh wait hang on are you all not bitches?	[06:27]
asciilifeform	bitcoinpete: not sure why they should talk to me. instead, they should talk to the poor schmucks who buy the closed turd. and apologize to them.	[06:27]
benkay	two cups one average	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	benkay: We are all someone's bitches	[06:27]
kakobrekla	mp sets the fashion, if i had a blog it would only be footnote but no note.	[06:27]
bitcoinpete	mike_c: think of it as a worthwhile skill to be acquired	[06:27]
bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: lol	[06:27]
benkay	mike_c's talking shit and posting 1/(2 mos)	[06:28]
mike_c	what? i pump out at least one a month	[06:28]
benkay	and don't talk to me about quality nigga i don't buy that shit for half a second	[06:28]
mike_c	i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes	[06:28]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[06:28]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: You must use footnotes the worng way then	[06:29]
asciilifeform	'the attack requires sophisticated tools to extract the encryption keys, making it practically impossible for most people.'	[06:29]
mike_c	plus my posts have pretty graphs and shit	[06:29]
benkay	yeah	[06:29]
benkay	quality or something	[06:29]
benkay	I AIN'T HAVIN IT	[06:29]
benkay	aight fags dinner party commenceth	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes <<< ahahah	[06:30]
benkay	prep for which is all done without my lifting a damn finger	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	what are these footnotes, like car pedals ?	[06:30]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ? // wish granted	[06:30]
benkay	so adieu sweet bitlords	[06:30]
mike_c	enjoy	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	enjoe	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	stop discriminating. not all pleasures in life are female.	[06:31]
asciilifeform	like car pedals << one can buy pedals which emulate keystrokes. i've a set.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there must be a dirty joke re emulation and strokes in there somewhere	[06:31]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm off to mourn kako's rape and pillage of mpif. nn!	[06:32]
asciilifeform	'different stokes for different folks.' (me, explaining stoke's theorem to a noob)	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	benkay notrly my style.	[13:39]
fluffypony	http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-predicts-3-week-theatrical-window-in-future-1201166052/	[13:39]
ozbot	Jeffrey Katzenberg Predicts 3-Week Theatrical Window in Future \| Variety	[13:39]
fluffypony	this is interesting	[13:39]
fluffypony	"I think the model will change and you won’t pay for the window of availability. A movie will come out and you will have 17 days, that’s exactly three weekends, which is 95% of the revenue for 98% of movies. On the 18th day, these movies will be available everywhere ubiquitously and you will pay for the size. A movie screen will be $15. A 75” TV will be $4.00. A smartphone will be $1.99."	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	this is by no means either a prediction or novel.	[13:41]
fluffypony	novel to me - I hadn't thought about content delivery in terms of screen size before	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461817978066329600	[13:42]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: That's choosing what to fuck. ...	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	im so adept at making friends.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony it's older than dirt tho.	[13:43]
fluffypony	meh, I've never bought into the "do what you love" bullshit	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	;;ud smh	[13:45]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smh \| smh. Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice. Sometimes it's ...	[13:45]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: smh	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	that'd be because you're not a hipster.	[13:45]
fluffypony	my very first failed company was an events production house I started with a good friend when I was like 20	[13:45]
fluffypony	the two lessons I learnt from that were:	[13:45]
fluffypony	1. if you go into business with someone who is a good friend there's a high probability of fucking up the friendship, regardless of the outcome of the business venture	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmh5o9pIIAA5kaB.jpg	[13:46]
fluffypony	2. just because you like doing something doesn't mean you can get paid for it or even find clients	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha. hahaha-hahahaha.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	the bestest country in the world, can't get a fucking cab at the airport ?	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	srsly africa, the black people called. they want it back, it's theirs!	[13:46]
fluffypony	lol	[13:47]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade	[13:48]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade \| Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014	[13:48]
fluffypony	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png	[13:49]
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mircea_popescu	"In less than three months the Department of the Treasury will start trimming payments on portions of the $17.3 trillion-plus national debt, with unpredictable – and unstudied – consequences. Acting in violation of legal commitments to purchasers, the Department will chop 30% from interest payments due some foreign holders of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars’ worth of Treasury securities. Pos	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	sible results of this consciously inflicted partial federal default could include mass dumping of bonds by jittery holders, a rise in the rate the government pays for debt service, and undermining the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency."	[13:50]
fluffypony	from now on I'm going to provide measurements "to the nearest poppyseed, may be off by a few twips"	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	im curious how many in the "press" will be calling this a default, and how many will be derping about how it's really just antiracism and ecology.	[13:51]
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mircea_popescu	because well... anyone who fails to call it a default also fails to have a future, in his chosen profession.	[13:51]
numerisTrade	hello	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	hi.	[13:51]
numerisTrade	hello, mircea_popescu	[13:51]
numerisTrade	;;ident	[13:51]
gribble	Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!~numeris@unaffiliated/numeris', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	you're the wywial fellow aren't you ?	[13:51]
numerisTrade	partially yes	[13:52]
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mircea_popescu	lol how does that work ?!	[13:52]
numerisTrade	it's a joint venture with my fellow	[13:53]
fluffypony	dissociative identity disorder?	[13:53]
numerisTrade	currently, I'm wywialm, but this nick is also managed by him	[13:54]
punkman	that's not how this works	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	well tell him that this nick can speak here on the strength of it being used by you, so he shouldn't muck it up.	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	and actually, you really should get him a diff nick, or yourself.	[13:54]
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mircea_popescu	as it is you be just askin' for trouble.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	!up toddf	[13:55]
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fluffypony	numerisTrade: why not just do it the way GlooBoy does?	[13:55]
fluffypony	he has an iTradeBTC account that, in theory, anyone could manage	[13:55]
fluffypony	but his WoT ratings are his own under his nick	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	"Obama joins a high-powered group of celebs to emphasize the vital role men play in preventing sexual assault " < i had no idea presidents are celebrities nao.	[13:55]
fluffypony	he could always nominate someone else to sell for him (and note that in the WoT)	[13:56]
numerisTrade	fluffypony, how to arraange it when two people are engaged? separate WoT ratings? But its the business that should be rated...	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	o, what's teh business ?	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	i didn't realise you had a business.	[13:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7767 @ 0.00097405 = 7.5654 BTC [+]	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile at the twitter lolzfarm :	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	"Robin Klein My week on twitter: 255 New Followers, 5 Mentions, 5.02K Mention Reach, 2 Replies, 15 Retweets.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu @robinklein That's the definition of pathetic you know."	[13:58]
fluffypony	numerisTrade: separate WoT ratings, after a few ratings will it matter? alternatively, leave the numerisTrade nick for trading, and have another IRC session in your personal capacity :)	[13:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32283 @ 0.00097588 = 31.5043 BTC [+] {2}	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmeixjlCIAE0_qV.jpg:large << best korea market prediction services.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	soon to be ipoing on kimcoin	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	!up quantyfikator	[13:59]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5669484/britains-murder-case-against-one-of-irelands-most-important	[14:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07122011 = 0.3561 BTC [-]	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	this is why you do not negotiate, and you do not stop until the enemy is destroyed. not just dead, destroyed.	[14:01]
fluffypony	mad photoshop skillz: http://i.imgur.com/Nb1uRg0.jpg	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, 40 years later...	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony aahahahaha	[14:02]
numerisTrade	mircea_popescu, the business is just starting, according to your MPOE-PR tutorial. Currently we're experimenting with repo trading / secured loans	[14:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.07120634 = 4.486 BTC [-] {4}	[14:02]
numerisTrade	;;view	[14:02]
gribble	#20257 Thu Apr 17 07:20:26 2014 numerisTrade SELL 1.0 Repo transaction / Secured loan @ 477.04 USD (Price is amount of Ripple/Coinbase collateral. See more at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html)	[14:02]
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mircea_popescu	numerisTrade ic.	[14:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00097598 = 12.8829 BTC [+] {2}	[14:06]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: pankkake (and I) were wondering when mpif shares are going to be available?	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	yesterday ?	[14:08]
pankkake	scam	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	!t m f.mpif	[14:09]
fluffypony	not on coinbr	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC)	[14:09]
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mircea_popescu	on coinbr when jurov gets around to it, which should be any time nao	[14:09]
pankkake	I'm surprised a date wouldn't announced in advance either	[14:09]
pankkake	meh…	[14:09]
fluffypony	pankkake: someone should tell Jimmothy so he can warn everyone	[14:10]
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fluffypony	:-P	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what diff does it make ?	[14:10]
pankkake	I want to buy some before there's nothing left, for one?	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	how would that work ? this is a managed asset, it's not supposed to trade much off its nav	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	i can issue an infinity of shares, and will if price diverges upwards.	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	i can destroy all the shares, and will if price diverges under.	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	it's an investment not a forum "ipo"	[14:11]
numerisTrade	fluffypony, the separate IRC session is understandable, but wouldn't it be more difficult to assign trust to numerisTrade, it being some sort of different entity?	[14:12]
pankkake	sure, but it's still annoying	[14:12]
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fluffypony	numerisTrade: there's a solution somewhere in this, I'm just too buggered to figure it out atm :)	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	so far it was selling excitedly at ~1% over nav, then panacea announced losses and it chilled.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony see, anal sex hurts.	[14:13]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: depends on whether or not you're the recipient	[14:14]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2014#651792	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	you gotta be on chan to trade on news.	[14:14]
pankkake	I know, I added a hilight on mpif	[14:14]
numerisTrade	or in general, how a "bitcoin corporation" should be managed?	[14:15]
pankkake	though I wasn't there after, it wouldn't have mattered, since coinbr seems to be manual in every way	[14:15]
numerisTrade	fluffypony, thx anyway :)	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well you could have made an arrangement with anyone with an acct in the interim i guess, but srsly : you won't conceivably be locked out of shares, so. nothing to worry about on that score.	[14:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.48045998 = 14.8943 BTC [-] {9}	[14:16]
pankkake	we'll see	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony of all the people i know that lost their cockthread thing whatever you call it, all lost it to a puckered butthole.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	so... not necessarily.	[14:16]
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fluffypony	numerisTrade: ok here's an idea - you have a mutual note in the WoT from personalnick1 to numerisTrade saying that personalnick1 is a representative of the company. same goes for personalnick2. because the WoT is meant to be interpreted and not viewed as a cumulative score or whatever, anyone trading with you can be told to check the numerisTrade WoT. once the trade is complete you can ask them to rate numerisTrade for the business and rate	[14:19]
fluffypony	you for the interaction.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty much how it works.	[14:20]
pankkake	;;gpg info bitbet	[14:20]
gribble	No such user registered.	[14:20]
pankkake	;;gpg info mpex	[14:20]
gribble	No such user registered.	[14:20]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust mtgox	[14:21]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mtgox: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mtgox \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox \| Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust karpeles	[14:21]
numerisTrade	thanks, fluffypony, great idea! should the numerisTrade WoT account be able to rate personalnick_i as well?	[14:21]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user karpeles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=karpeles \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=karpeles \| Rated since: never	[14:21]
pankkake	;;getrating magicaltux	[14:21]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[14:21]
pankkake	;;rated magicaltux	[14:21]
gribble	You rated user magicaltux on Thu Feb 27 08:13:53 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: ate all the coins.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade yes, you go "Operator of this service"	[14:21]
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fluffypony	numerisTrade: yes exactly - the mutual WoT note is how they can confirm it	[14:21]
numerisTrade	thanks, mircea_popescu	[14:21]
fluffypony	personalnick1 rates numerisTrade "I am one of the operators of numerisTrade", numerisTrade rates personalnick1 "This is one of the operators of this service"	[14:22]
fluffypony	if at any time you sell the company / leave / die / whatever that rating could be updated to reflect that	[14:22]
numerisTrade	ok, I wil apply this.	[14:23]
fluffypony	"Was one of the operators, got hit by a bus"	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	"we wish him a happy valhalla"	[14:23]
fluffypony	lol	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	you know, you never hear much of folkvangr	[14:25]
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fluffypony	;;google folkvangr	[14:25]
gribble	Fólkvangr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Death in Norse paganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Norse Mythology \| Locations in Scandinavia & Germantic Countries:	[14:25]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony odin gets half the dead. freya the other half.	[14:26]
fluffypony	got it	[14:26]
numerisTrade	by the way, would you like to comment the repo trades we offer? http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	well now that i know you do, yes, lol.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	first comment being that blobspot sucks.	[14:27]
pankkake	weird not even a folkvangr in my music library	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade how do you take the collateral ?	[14:28]
pankkake	at least it's not the new style blogspot that requires javascript	[14:28]
numerisTrade	I know, I know. It's just that we didn't want to focus on the website at first	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i know right ? an even split turns through the meta ear of humanity into an 99.99999% - 0% split. goes to show just how cultivated your average human alive is.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	for instance : i would prefer to go live with the goddess of fuck than with some boastful hipster that ~is destined to fail and die~.	[14:29]
numerisTrade	in ripple fiat-denominated IOUs	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	what ?!	[14:29]
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numerisTrade	the purpose of it is to be withdrawable from bitstamp et alia	[14:30]
pankkake	I wasn't aware BitstampEUR existed	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	ok i have to say that is the most obnoxiously stupid thing i heard all year. wtf.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade so if the guy gives you the ripple iou and walks what do you do ?	[14:30]
numerisTrade	it's the bitstamp IOU. I redeem it at bitstamp and exchange to BTC	[14:31]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: the IOU is towards the exchange, so I don't really see the issue	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	oh so only ious issued by bitstamp ?	[14:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00097406 = 21.3319 BTC [-] {2}	[14:31]
numerisTrade	yes, ofc :)	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	what if bitstamp locks your account for engaging in money laundering ?	[14:32]
numerisTrade	then I have a problem	[14:32]
pankkake	well, you can sell/transfer on ripple… actually, ripple is doing the money laundering for bitstamp	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	well, did you check this product you're offering with them ?	[14:32]
numerisTrade	I can convert to TheRock, but if this is locked as well...	[14:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5572 @ 0.00012908 = 0.7192 BTC [+] {4}	[14:32]
pankkake	which is actually why I'm wondering why Ripple is still a thing with those big exchanges	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	pankkake because nobody gave a shit yet because they have bigger fires to put out because nobody uses ripple.	[14:33]
pankkake	that's my guess, but still, weird	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda, yea.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	then again, goxusd used to be a thing.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	then... it went away one day.	[14:33]
pankkake	as with ripple, you can clearly transfer fiat IOUs between accounts, no funny internet money in between	[14:33]
numerisTrade	mircea_popescu, you're right. But there aren't many other possibilities to take collateral	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade but did you check your plan with bitstamp	[14:34]
numerisTrade	If you're asking whether we tried it out, the answer is yes.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	no, whether you went to whoever runs bitstamp and said, "hey, this is what we plan to do, do you see any problems and can we rely on you for it."	[14:35]
numerisTrade	no, not yet. It is a good idea though, thanks.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	well, this points to a structural problem in your business planning process.	[14:37]
numerisTrade	I'm all ears	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	you gotta be able to identify all your stakeholders, and you gotta have at least talked to them.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	but if you fail to even identify them, that's a strategic failure. failure to talk to them compounds operational failure on top of strategic failure and is how "surprises" happen	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	the sort that are surprising to everyone except you know, businessmen.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	moving on : how do you expect to compete with stuff like x.eur (which also gets no volume worth the mention, come to think of it)	[14:38]
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numerisTrade	x.eur is a slightly different product, it's a future, not a repurchase agreement, and so it serves a little bit different purposes (e.g. cannot be used as a secured loan). besides. it's not otc	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	well technically yours is not otc either, it's on ripple.	[14:41]
numerisTrade	so we didn't think of it as a competition actually	[14:41]
numerisTrade	otc as in not standarised and on central order book	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	well that is also a point of strategic failure. because competition it is, definitely : one wanting to short btc can either buy euros for delivery on bc at his option, or enter in your cfd.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	and the unrepresented risk you have here is that if there's two slightly different products addressing roughly the same market,	[14:42]
pankkake	I should write a "price translator" for X.EUR. perhaps combine it with my existing B-C bot	[14:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03129704 = 0.2504 BTC [-]	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	you can easily end up with the traintracks problem	[14:43]
pankkake	though for my use I don't see much of an advantage vs. trading on B-C directly	[14:43]
numerisTrade	in that matter, yes it is.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	that is, what if all the good business flocks to one and all the scammers to the other ?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly what strategic planning for businesses is : "foreseeing" these problems and addressing them.	[14:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[14:44]
numerisTrade	obviously, we're scammed, then :) by the way, thanks for pointing the stakeholder issue	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[14:44]
numerisTrade	traintracks problem? could you explain, please?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	it's an us idiom. old style (esp southern) towns had a "right side of the tracks", where respectable people lived	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	and a wrong side, where mostly the blacks were quartered.	[14:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	preventing such a fate for bitcoin, for instance, has been 90% of all the work of 2012 and 2013	[14:46]
numerisTrade	returning for the while to the competition issue, currently, the main problem is the volume, not too tight competition, as I believe	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake the x.eur has the advantage that being supported by push txn and exchange sigs, you can enter into derivative gpg contracts of infinite complexity and actual otc quality on its basis.	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade but "currently" can not stand as an argument in a strategic matter.	[14:47]
pankkake	well, perhaps, but I can't and don't need those things yet :)	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	whether the bridge is built well or badly is not related to whether it currently rains	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that's fine eh :D	[14:48]
pankkake	nor do I get much lower trade fees on coinbr (0.5 vs. 0.59)	[14:48]
numerisTrade	but you are actually right that x.eur is a good base for otc derivatives	[14:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00097071 = 19.0259 BTC [-] {3}	[14:51]
numerisTrade	you've given us much to think about	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade if you'll stand the statement, i'll say that this has been an illuminating exercise as to the value of higher education. while you're a trained economist and the average forum dweller is a highschool drop-out, you and them are both about equally inept in business. the one difference is that your higher training allows you to understand what i say, and their lack of education denies them same.	[14:52]
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numerisTrade	I'll regard that as a compliment	[14:54]
pankkake	I would have to agree on economists being inept at business. not that it's bad, they can be good economists, it's just another domain	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	pankkake it's more of a "go to college my son, not so you can do great things, but so you may understand why the men doing great things are laughing at you, and laugh with them."	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	the specialisation isn't really all that important.	[14:56]
numerisTrade	nevertheless, it's true that we're still learning	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	well this has been a productive morning. and outside... it's sunny, but rain drops are falling	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ejR01W8fks	[15:01]
ozbot	raindrops keep falling on my head - YouTube	[15:01]
pankkake	so today's big news is that zuckerberg drops the hoodie	[15:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00458548 = 0.2568 BTC [+]	[15:05]
pankkake	also http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-14:08.tcp.asc	[15:06]
fluffypony	lol, pankkake, someone commented on that - "INB4 Technology blogs think they're clever naming this FreeBleed."	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	Affects: All supported versions of FreeBSD.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	cute.	[15:11]
pankkake	and the many OSes which copied that TCP stack	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	which is afaik everyone	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	who wrote their own tcp stack ? netbsd ?	[15:13]
pankkake	I don't think OpenBSD has the same, and nor does Linux of course	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	%t	[15:21]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 116k High: 225 Low: 195 VWAP: 217	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders << that is an option the shareholders take on their own backs.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	someone not reading the logs is making a conscious and deliberate move.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	"I've been a few months there and no problem. If only they allowed btc/usd trading..." uh color me fucking confused. isn't that EXACTLY what bit4x does ?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[15:25]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43373066 BTC	[15:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00096904 = 14.9717 BTC [-] {2}	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	"Perhaps URLs are just destined to be an implementation detail that the next generation of users won’t even know exists. Maybe I was crazy to think that URLs were a permanent part of our culture. Still, I’ll miss the damn things. Let’s pour one out for the URL."	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck perhaps.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	i will burn apple and facebook in urine before i give up the url.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck cares about some shitty us corps already, jesus christ on a popsicle.	[15:29]
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pankkake	they already buried the http(s):// :(	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/tx/6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356	[15:32]
ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction 6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	blockchain is back to that number.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so they like to think.	[15:32]
pankkake	chrome devs even refuse to make it an option	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls << yeah, because to the idiot everything that he doesn't grok is dirty.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well i don't use chrome.	[15:33]
pankkake	no one should, but that's not the point :)	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile yes, they are killing in my logs.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	40% of all traffic or some shit like that.	[15:34]
asciilifeform	FreeBSD << obligatorily mumbles, 'don't blame the mice.'	[15:35]
fluffypony	Google Ultron is a MUCH better browser than Chrome	[15:35]
fluffypony	plus NASA uses it so you know it's good	[15:35]
fluffypony		[15:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.0700174 = 5.1113 BTC [-] {7}	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform blame everyone involved.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	equally, and equal to the entire pot.	[15:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo" << so what happened, her two boyfriends took you around town to party ?	[15:37]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: much worse than that - her dad played tour guide	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	punkman: fluffypony, because someone smart left the keys on the door (on the inside) << were these... gpg keys ?	[15:37]
fluffypony	I'd have loved it if she had two boyfriends who took me out to party, at least I would've had a godo time	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	badoom-tsks	[15:37]
fluffypony	*good	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	your slutometer is clearly broken.	[15:38]
fluffypony	clearly	[15:38]
asciilifeform	wtf, is this 'the onion'? 'urls abolished?' what'd i wake up do	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform welcome to 2023.	[15:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03102422 = 1.0238 BTC [-] {6}	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i once lost my watch. the only one time i lost my watch. i was completely wtf'd as to where i could have put the thing ?! or maybe... justmaybe... some handslight actually got it off me and now i'm never going to hear the end of "o lalala i stole mps watch lalala" whack ?	[15:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.0293048 = 1.9927 BTC [-] {10}	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	so the father of this cute schoolgirl gives me back my watch.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	he had found it.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	he had found it, at their 2nd town appt, where the girl's grandmother lived in the summers, which was atm empty being winter.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	he had found it, on this particular bedside niche hidden spot that's only accessible really if you're lying in bed	[15:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03349828 = 0.737 BTC [+] {7}	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	he had found it, because he was there with his wife... and they...well... they got a little frisky	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	and so...	[15:41]
fluffypony	lol	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	awkward moment ensues, im trying to recall if the girl's 16 even...	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03395502 = 0.3735 BTC [+] {11}	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.029 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03441776 = 0.413 BTC [+] {12}	[15:42]
fluffypony	that must've been a fun convo	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	"Taaki is an Iranian-British free-market anarchist and developer of high-profile bitcoin projects like the decentralized online marketplace prototype DarkMarket"	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	ok that's fucking it. wired is under embargo from now on.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKWITS GET YOUR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF YOUR FUCKING POOP CHUTES AND DO SOME RESEARCH.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony actually it ended there. what was he doing to say.	[15:43]
asciilifeform	wait, that taaki?	[15:43]
asciilifeform	bob the goat-builder?	[15:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+] {3}	[15:43]
fluffypony	cue movie voice over guy: DARK (dark dark dark) MARKET (market market market)	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. wired is below fucking daily mail.	[15:44]
asciilifeform	lol!	[15:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03574998 = 0.429 BTC [+] {12}	[15:45]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the term 'wired' in usa is not always to do with wires. it is also a traditional euphemism for tripping on strong dope.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	"learn the secret nigerian dairy farmers hate : how an Edinburgh mum built a functioning goat out of tooth paste and some wood shavings"	[15:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03674998 = 0.294 BTC [+] {8}	[15:46]
asciilifeform	'mr dope was quite wired, spent three days re-arranging hammers in tool chest'	[15:46]
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fluffypony	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv568AzZ-i8	[15:46]
ozbot	What We Do in the Shadows - Official Trailer - YouTube	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's refreshing to see that a) taaki is continuing his gofer career, because that's what the guy does, much a la gmaxwell : he tries to associate with important projects in the hopes that people with money are stupid enough to go by what fucktarded ragazines publish, and so maybe he can get some.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	this plan isn't working, the guy lived in squalor in 2004 and lives in squalor today and will live in squalor in 2024 too	[15:47]
asciilifeform	seems to contradict the biologists' maxim 'parasite is either fat or dead'	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	but b) that he's fucking moved on from bitcoin and now is reduced to trying to leech geeks a la cody wilson. that's a net positive.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well this one parasite is ugly.	[15:48]
asciilifeform	the little fleas, have smaller fleas, ... etc	[15:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03716666 = 0.223 BTC [+] {6}	[15:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03794999 = 0.3795 BTC [+] {10}	[15:50]
asciilifeform	http://everything2.com/title/I+knew+I+couldn%2527t+build+a+cat	[15:50]
ozbot	I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com	[15:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03881249 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {8}	[15:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738544 = 0.2216 BTC [+] {3}	[15:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03908 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5}	[15:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03946665 = 0.2368 BTC [+] {6}	[15:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC	[15:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03987498 = 0.1595 BTC [+] {4}	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 5000 @ 0.000215 = 1.075 BTC	[15:56]
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random_cat	and here i thought taake was a lame norwegian black metal band	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	"Google reaped both sides of the coin, got money from the advertisers, used the publishers, and didn’t	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	have to pay them a single penny. We were told to go and look into the publishers accounts, and if any	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	publisher had accumulated earnings exceeding $5000 and was near a payout or in the process of a	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	payout, we were to ban the account right away and reverse the earnings back. They kept saying it was	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	needed for the company, and that most of these publishers were ripping Google off anyways, and that	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	their gravy train needed to end. Many employees were not happy about this. A few resigned over it.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	I did not. I stayed because I had a family to support, and secondly I wanted to see how far they would	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	go."	[15:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04004899 = 0.4005 BTC [+] {7}	[15:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[15:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00096659 = 17.7369 BTC [-] {2}	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	The new policy; "shelter the possible problem makers, and fuck the rest" (those words were actually said by a Google AdSense exec) when he spoke about the new procedure and policy for "Account Quality Control".	[15:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096524 = 4.2471 BTC [-] {2}	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	punkman that's actually quite well matched to market signals. i wonder if anyone'll ever investigate these matters. seems sort-of like a probe in gazprom.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	no soviets ever investigate teh crown jool.	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	"It involved skewing data in Google Analytics. They decided it was a good idea to alter the statistical data shown for websites. It first began with just altering data reports for Analytics account holders that also had an AdSense account, but they ran into too many issues and decided it would be simpler just to skew the report data across the board to remain consistent and implement features globally."	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	ok im republishing this shit.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	+why	[16:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850064 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}	[16:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[16:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0295619 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {10}	[16:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02983268 = 0.2685 BTC [+] {9}	[16:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03099998 = 0.248 BTC [+] {8}	[16:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03540211 = 0.177 BTC [-] {4}	[16:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[16:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03947965 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {6}	[16:29]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/	[16:38]
ozbot	The Serious IPO, a moment in the life and times of forum investing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po	[16:38]
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pankkake	that was my thought when I saw the pic	[16:39]
pankkake	they have the same photoshop skillz	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	now someone make a forum account put that shit up there.	[16:41]
pankkake	informationS is usually how I spot French guys writing in English	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	not just french.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	also ex french colonies	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	(aka africa)	[16:42]
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jurov	uh oh mpif is on	[16:49]
pankkake	yeah jurov stop scamming us	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	jurov hai.	[16:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}	[16:50]
jurov	hi mircea	[16:53]
jurov	buying mpif viac oinbr works nao	[16:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 30000 @ 0.000215 = 6.45 BTC	[16:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450424 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	win.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov for a moment there i thought you may be off on something ungodly like i dunno, a 1st may vacatgion or something	[16:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4765 @ 0.000215 = 1.0245 BTC	[16:56]
jurov	no, that was tonight ;D	[16:56]
pankkake	the French are forbidden to work today! it's work day	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 37650 @ 0.000215 = 8.0948 BTC	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4750 @ 0.000215 = 1.0213 BTC	[17:01]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591758.0 who's that	[17:03]
ozbot	PROSLIMBS INC AMAZING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY	[17:03]
asciilifeform	happy w☭rkers' day, compadres.	[17:04]
asciilifeform	jurov: товарищ	[17:05]
asciilifeform	aha slovak	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4628 @ 0.000215 = 0.995 BTC	[17:06]
fluffypony	pankkake: me	[17:06]
pankkake	cool	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	drugi srsly ?!	[17:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03191666 = 0.1915 BTC [+] {6}	[17:09]
fluffypony	NotLambchop is my favourite person on the securities subforum lately	[17:09]
asciilifeform	what's remarkable here ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the part where they call party members bffs ?	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[17:10]
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asciilifeform	and a priest is 'father', no one thinks this odd	[17:11]
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mircea_popescu	actually i do, but anyway.	[17:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03801236 = 0.3041 BTC [+] {8}	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't you find it odd if some othrodox country actually called the priest "cousin" ?	[17:11]
asciilifeform	aye	[17:11]
asciilifeform	anyway, for the noobs, the slavic languages are almost 'plug-compatible,' just gotta bend a few pins.	[17:11]
Apocalyptic	I heard fico likes to be called that way	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	same here. tovarasi was so commie-imbued in romanian it pretty much died out	[17:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878541 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}	[17:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC	[17:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850187 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}	[17:12]
asciilifeform	not a bad occasion to stop and wonder, what ordinary words of today will die the same death.	[17:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03919196 = 0.196 BTC [+] {5}	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02850121 = 0.114 BTC [-]	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	liberal is pretty much dead. libertard will probably survive.	[17:13]
asciilifeform	liberast.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	the only thing that connotes in english is rastafarian	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.039 = 0.156 BTC [-] {4}	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	which are like, the pre-pastafarian pastafarians.	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0285008 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}	[17:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0325714 = 0.228 BTC [+] {7}	[17:15]
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kakobrekla	!up venzen	[17:16]
assbot	Voicing venzen for 30 minutes.	[17:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03257113 = 0.228 BTC [-] {7}	[17:16]
kakobrekla	fyi, you need a voice to speak here	[17:16]
jurov	got it!	[17:16]
venzen	hehe, HeySteve just dropped off	[17:16]
kakobrekla	you can get voiced yourself once you get some wot rating from someone close enough to assbot	[17:16]
venzen	ok, thanks kakobrekla	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	lol the small amount of oppression. the oppressed don't even know about it!	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299666 = 0.198 BTC [+] {6}	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0340005 = 0.136 BTC [-] {3}	[17:17]
venzen	ok, i will hangaround and wait for someone i know	[17:17]
mike_c	that bit4x email is great. "You are not too bright. All Best, Matic"	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299466 = 0.198 BTC [-] {6}	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0340002 = 0.17 BTC [-] {3}	[17:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03333298 = 0.3 BTC [+] {9}	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03319918 = 0.166 BTC [-] {3}	[17:19]
assbot	Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.	[17:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0335428 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {7}	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.00543609 = 0.3207 BTC [-] {4}	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03285 = 0.3285 BTC [-] {2}	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03355708 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {7}	[17:21]
kakobrekla	so HeySteve you know this venzen guy ?	[17:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:21]
mike_c	kakobrekla: pif trades are flowing. thanks.	[17:22]
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kakobrekla	mike_c :)	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033566 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0323501 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {4}	[17:22]
kakobrekla	mike_c btw, i summed the missed ones in a single 470k trade	[17:23]
kakobrekla	so the vol should be correct, just timing a little off	[17:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[17:23]
mike_c	ok. that's not far off from what happened anyway i believe. couple big blocks sold.	[17:24]
fluffypony	mike_c: which bit4x email?	[17:24]
kakobrekla	wha?	[17:24]
mike_c	fluffypony: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652502	[17:24]
fluffypony	tks	[17:24]
kakobrekla	o yeah, we now have venzen here cause of that post, allegedly a friend of heysteve.	[17:25]
kakobrekla	no wot yet, so let see how that goes.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	http://zonadestiri.com/florin-popescu-a-cerut-70-tone-de-pui-pentru-a-le-da-cetatenilor-in-campania-electorala-2012-nitu-i-a-trimis-lui-cazanciuc-referatul-dna-pentru/ << florin popescu guy looks just like fucking karpeles.	[17:26]
fluffypony	lol	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla whichg post ?	[17:26]
kakobrekla	the one mike just linked	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	aok	[17:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC	[17:28]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: do you have a definition of a n00b lying around?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	not voiced here ?	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-] {3}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03150111 = 0.378 BTC [-] {4}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.06474168 = 0.8416 BTC [-] {3}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-]	[17:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00097085 = 5.5338 BTC [+]	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00097085 = 6.1173 BTC [+]	[17:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06867792 = 6.8678 BTC [-] {9}	[17:44]
kakobrekla	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF	[17:45]
ozbot	F.MPIF last 4628@0.00021500	[17:45]
kakobrekla	lol top ask = scam	[17:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.06775852 = 10.8414 BTC [-] {3}	[17:45]
pankkake	reminds me of gold old sandstorm on havelock	[17:46]
kakobrekla	what happened there?	[17:46]
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pankkake	sold all (~100 BTC) in a few minutes and resold at 10× price right after	[17:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07379992 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}	[17:47]
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kakobrekla	who?	[17:47]
pankkake	and that was a fund, too. don't know who	[17:47]
kakobrekla	lolk	[17:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00097104 = 10.4387 BTC [+] {2}	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 200000 @ 0.000215 = 43 BTC	[17:53]
jurov	um...is marketmaker allowed to front run the IPO?	[17:53]
mike_c	ooh, the pif liquidity manager runs a brokerage.	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03599787 = 0.756 BTC [+] {2}	[17:55]
mike_c	that seems like an opportunity for something	[17:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850035 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 40000 @ 0.000215 = 8.6 BTC	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03599787 = 0.216 BTC [+]	[17:56]
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jurov	mike_c: clients can see mpex receipts, so i can't do any straightforward meddling	[17:57]
kakobrekla	anyone can see the your full stat ?	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	he'll be reporting all trades at least	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	!t m f.mpif	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC)	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	holy.	[17:59]
jurov	yes, i'm going to.. but for not i have to seize the opportunity by hand	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	mk ima add another 1mn shares then.	[17:59]
jurov	oh, at the same price?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[18:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 167195 @ 0.000215 = 35.9469 BTC	[18:00]
jurov	lolk.. there goes easy profit	[18:00]
fluffypony	well there's that	[18:00]
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mike_c	um, doesn't that completely change the fund? what would you do with the next 200 btc?	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	it goes to fund assets	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c dump some moar into jdice, for instance.	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	shouldnt mp be listed as a manager?	[18:03]
pankkake	the just-dice one can easily be grown (though profit will not grow exactly linearly)	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	general manager even	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	right	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC	[18:04]
mike_c	seems like if you raise more funds it will turn into the panacea/JD fund. the other pcs can't handle much more capital.	[18:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03669396 = 0.3669 BTC [+] {7}	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i think it varies a lot over time too. for instance, pc4 is currentl;y very little exposed. but as a lot of bets are med term, 6 months, 1 yr	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	the weight of its book will eventually end up significant	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	regarding my previous comments on bingoboingo soliciting trade info from others, i guess i kind of see it as the MPEx as the purported/aspiring to be SRO in the space. in that sense i think the long-term view might be to consider whether this is really a best practice, and further whether this channel would ultimately serve as fair info distribution to shareholders	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	mpif is also not obliged to put ALL its capital into pcs, it can keep a reserve	[18:06]
asciilifeform	in what sense is the channel anything other than public ?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this channel does serve as the info distribution for all bitcoin finance.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	this is so by fiat.	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	it's not a question of whether this is public	[18:06]
asciilifeform	in other news,	[18:07]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/04/nsa-ghostmachine-echobase.pdf	[18:07]
asciilifeform	(long time, no turds!)	[18:07]
fluffypony	awwww	[18:07]
fluffypony	they deleted my PROSLIMBS posts	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	who's they ?	[18:08]
fluffypony	moderators	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	it removes possibility of being a passive investor in any regard, which i suppose is okay with the right support systems in place	[18:08]
fluffypony	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/proslimbs-inc-amazing-investment-opportunity.307614/	[18:08]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:08]
fluffypony	it's still there	[18:08]
ozbot	PROSLIMBS INC AMAZING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY \| Bitcointa.lk	[18:08]
fluffypony	but not on the regular forum	[18:08]
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ThickAsThieves	having to parse this log all day is relatively shitty a requirement, no?	[18:09]
asciilifeform	'what do you mean i have to dip them!'	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how do you mean ?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	why can't oine be a passive investor ?	[18:09]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu he means too many people have voice	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	sorta	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	and that not all info here is relevant	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	so wait, we're letting TOO MANY people talk ?	[18:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17378 @ 0.00097179 = 16.8878 BTC [+] {3}	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	i thought you hated the +m originally >D	[18:10]
pankkake	no, just talk too much :)	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	o that.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005	[18:10]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	well it's not #MPIF	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this is precisely why being a financial professional is... you know... a profession.	[18:10]
pankkake	perhaps the unexisting Trilema TL;DR should also be assets TL;DR	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	if you mean it removes the possibility of expecting to meet the performance of professionals on the budget and investment of an amateur, yes, this is correct.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	also desirable and unavoidalb.e	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	right, so what i meant by support systems for passive investors, might be, having independent investment managers	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	right.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	and stuff like btcalpha.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	ie, exactly how markets work, because it's exactly how sanity requires.	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	sure	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	but back to soliciting trade info	[18:12]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: so why don't we find someone who can spend 2-3 hours a day parsing the logs and making an overview/digest and putting it up, and then put that up on a paywall'd site, the proceeds of which pay their salary?	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	because it's not "we"'s problem	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	^ fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?	[18:12]
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dub	IRC professionalz in hurr	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	how do classify the allowance of the practice of your fund manager soliciting trade info from others?	[18:13]
bounce	didn't we have an expert digester sadly out of a job recently?	[18:13]
fluffypony	dub :)	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what'd he do exactly ?	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	bounce who that ?	[18:14]
FabianB	;;calc 213.15567101*0.9822	[18:14]
gribble	209.361500066	[18:14]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: I don't need a digest, I have the time to parse the forum, but if I get caught up in things I can imagine I simply wouldn't have the time for it on an ongoing, daily basis	[18:15]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: what do you plan to get caught up in, that leaves no possibility of reading log? polar expedition?	[18:15]
*	mircea_popescu wonders what 9822 is	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	<+ThickAsThieves> well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	<+ThickAsThieves> i interpreted it as you forcing things	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	<+ThickAsThieves> yes, it confirmed my suspicion	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?	[18:15]
FabianB	;;calc 100-1.78	[18:16]
gribble	98.22	[18:16]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: ^^	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	FabianB but... ummm	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[18:16]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: just a funny way to make a bid order in f.mpif	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	a) that was for april and b) panacea is like 20%ish of mpif	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	aok	[18:16]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: panaceas -1.78	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	FabianB but mpif already reported no loss from panacea in april.	[18:17]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: it takes me a few hours to catch up when I miss stuff (including reading posted links, researching stuff I don't understand, etc.), I don't always have a few hours loose every day, and you know how it goes once you let it slip for a few days - it's easier to just skip the few days you missed	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	related : May 01 01:46:17 mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.	[18:18]
FabianB	no loss for next month?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	FabianB you expect panacea to lose 1.78 twice in a row ?	[18:18]
FabianB	nah	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	but yeah i get it, you wanted some numbers to put in a formula	[18:18]
FabianB	so mpif invested after the loss?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	i should hope	[18:19]
fluffypony	wth - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg6490402#msg6490402	[18:19]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: yeah, just that, already bought into the big ask and still wanted to have bids below	[18:19]
fluffypony	"Hello. my name Ewelina S. iam from Poland. in 25 of march i make order for Terra miner 2tgh/s for 5.999$ +1.108$ shipping. I am a single mother who raises two children.I borrowed these monay from family and friends for the development of investment btc.At the moment, my financial situation has changed for the worse, and I was forced to resign from the ordered equipment.Please help me recover my money.If I lose these money i dont know what	[18:19]
jurov	well, i now realize my position is a bit problematic, not cause i'm a broker	[18:19]
fluffypony	will happen with my life.I do not have any contact with Ct please HELP"	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07377667 = 0.1476 BTC [-]	[18:19]
jurov	but cause i can implement very slightly flawed mm strategy	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov how do you mean ?	[18:19]
jurov	in order to extract more profit	[18:19]
jurov	for myself	[18:19]
kakobrekla	mpif balance in panacea is 50 btc	[18:20]
thestringpuller	!jd MPIF	[18:20]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43159607 BTC	[18:20]
jurov	or i can be accused to at least	[18:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	jurov how'd it go ?	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	jurov wasnt it addressed that front-running would be a fireable offense?	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves afaik.	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	while you could implement programmatic ways to do so, i'm not sure you could hide the suspicious activity totally	[18:21]
mike_c	i don't think jurov is in a different situation than anyone else. BingoBoingo could trade the markets on his own book, hanbot could place bets with her own money, etc.	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	but you are right on the flipside	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	what if you it looks suspicious, but iisnt an offense	[18:21]
jurov	say, i'd open another anon mpex account and trade the mpif with myself from there	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	how do you defend yourself	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov so you make losses in your pc acct ?	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	or less profit than he might have therwise	[18:22]
mike_c	all the pif managers are on the honor system. i assume suspicious behaviors will result in execution by general manager.	[18:22]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well one's fraud and other's breach of duty of care	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	well theyre both fraud,	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	what i meant was	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	rather than make loss	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	he could skim	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	say he wouldve made 5%	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	and skims it down to 3%	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	it's still front running tho, and pretty visible	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	what if someone frames him	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	how would someone frame him ?	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	well let's change that,	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	what if trades look suspicious	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	how does he defend himself	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	but listen, he maintains the book.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	so he has whatever, an order at 5.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	anyone can go on top of that, at 5.1	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	so why'd this look suspicious ?	[18:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850252 = 0.171 BTC [-] {4}	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	say he front runs selectively how do we prove guilt or innocence	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	actually! this brings a very useful clarification.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov : stay outside of 1% of nav on either direction.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	that's your hard limit.	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC	[18:27]
mike_c	oof. nav is not a spot price..	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	jurov's job gets easier by the minute!	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:27]
mike_c	harder	[18:28]
mike_c	now he needs a good price for nav	[18:28]
ThickAsThieves	harder to profit yes	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it's not, but it's better if it's collared	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov do you follow the logic of this ?	[18:29]
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jurov	well... what if we'll bids/asks both outside nav?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	suppose nav is 1. you don't bid over .99 and don't ask under 1.01	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	then he releases more shares	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	that way you can always be overbid by users, should they want to.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	i won't issue shares unless we're looking at a 105% or something like that.	[18:32]
fluffypony	so when is someone going to fork Altcoin and call it B1tcoin?	[18:32]
jurov	ok, i get it	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 215/213.15	[18:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 9790 @ 0.0000502 = 0.4915 BTC [-] {4}	[18:32]
gribble	1.0086793338	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	i guess this was too far inzone.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 213*1.02	[18:33]
gribble	217.26	[18:33]
jurov	current positions are 200k shares were bought at 215000 (and selling at 29000) + 7BTC	[18:33]
jurov	plus i bought another 167195 shares myself	[18:34]
jurov	*at 21500	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	alrighty, i'll give you a pass on what looks like a ~0.5% loss so far for may :p	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	$depth f.mpif	[18:35]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['10000 @ 0.0002113', '20000 @ 0.00020936', '1000 @ 0.00020001', '100000 @ 0.0002', '1000 @ 0.0002']	[18:35]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '200000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004', '10000 @ 0.001']	[18:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00096862 = 10.1705 BTC [-]	[18:35]
jurov	i don't say the 29k ask is there forever..just till i dust off the bot code	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, mike_c et all : his job is not so bad, he gets a guaranteed 2.5% every time he flips.	[18:36]
mike_c	i don't understand why you want to keep the price so close to NAV. This thing is supposed to make money. that is worth something. if you issue shares until price drops to close to nav than the roi will be piddling.	[18:36]
mike_c	i am confused.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c there are some things conflated in there i don't follow.	[18:37]
ThickAsThieves	so i'll instigate further, what vetting does general manager do for bot software used by managers? basically enough rope to hang themselves?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	first off, why would this thing "make money" other than through nav going up ?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i don't do any, their job.	[18:37]
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ThickAsThieves	mike_c also note that when new shares are released and purchased, it increases nav for everyone	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how ?	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	so early buyers still have incentive	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	well if you sell another 200btc	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	that goes to assets	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	no, i deposited nav to get another mn shares.	[18:38]
jurov	nav per share stays the same	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	213.2whatevetiwas	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	i admit i dont really follow	[18:39]
mike_c	ok. NAV is 100 btc and there are 100 shares. investor projects fund will make 10% this year. He values this highly and is therefore willing to pay 1.06 for a share.	[18:39]
Apocalyptic	finance is hard	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	mike_c ok.	[18:39]
mike_c	this is now over 5% over NAV, so you issue more shares.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	to him.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	he can't overpay by 6%, because i sell to him at 101.5	[18:39]
mike_c	ok, he buys all of it	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	ok.	[18:40]
mike_c	you issue more shares	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	someone else wants to pay over 15 pips or why do i issue more shares ?	[18:40]
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jurov	you updated the price to 21726 ?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes, went out of your bounds. i was at .88% before i enacted the 1% collar for you.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	gave you some space.	[18:41]
mike_c	ok, let's try this. so say this block sells out (the 2nd 200 btc). and now you stop issuing shares.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	(could have given you .5% but imo too narrow, so)	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i won't stop issuing shares.	[18:41]
mike_c	..	[18:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652833	[18:42]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	i'm still lost on how continual issuance of shares doesnt affect NAV	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves because they're issued at nav.	[18:42]
mike_c	that is my point. you are going to keep issuing shares until the ROI drops so low that nobody is willing to pay more than 5% over nav	[18:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03949966 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	mike_c 1.5%	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	so when you say you 'deposit' btc to issue more shares, where does that go?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves into the f.mpif's cash position.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	Cash BTC deposited in http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03969955 = 0.1985 BTC [+] {5}	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850035 = 0.1425 BTC [-]	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	so mpif has 200btc and then sells more shares and gets another 200btc	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	roughly.	[18:44]
jurov	gotta go afk, hope nav won't reach 29000/1.01 in the meantime :D	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	that's 400btc in coffer no?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.015*(1220)	[18:45]
gribble	35.632815554	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	that's 1.5% compounded monthly.	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	i get it now	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	nav doesnt increase so much as "weight" does	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	and weight ~= safety.	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03986749 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {4}	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03999 = 0.2399 BTC [+] {4}	[18:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02918196 = 0.321 BTC [+] {6}	[18:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	mp the link on mpex.co to mpif statements is broken	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	points to smpif category	[18:49]
mike_c	I'm going to try again. Funds can sell at a premium or a discount to NAV. You are basically saying you won't allow this above +/- 1.5%. The only way I can see to do this is to carry a massive cash balance in the fund.	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	if that's what the people want...	[18:51]
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ThickAsThieves	it would place more weight on mp's mgmt role	[18:51]
mike_c	that's what the general manager wants.	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	aty	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how does one follow from the other ?	[18:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]	[18:53]
mike_c	the invested funds will grow. that is worth a premium. cash will not grow. so to keep the premium very small, cash must dominate invested funds.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	but listen. this is an investment fund. its business is to invest. if it does well, it would naturally receive more cash to invest.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	sure, in principle the later investments would attract lower margins than the earlier investments.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	however, this diversification also breeds security.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	so i guess your objection reduces to this not being a high risk/high reward enough for you thing ?	[18:55]
mike_c	no, i don't think so.	[18:55]
mike_c	(i don't think that's my objection)	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	i think we're just getting a grip on it	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	which was probably a large point of the "excercise" of it existing at all ;)	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	well that's why i say	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	exactly :)	[18:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7769 BTC [-]	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	suppose instead of 1.5% (or the initial .88%) i charged 45%.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	now, anyone trying to get into this fund would first have to take a 45% haircut, as mp tax.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	what fucking sense does that make ?	[18:57]
jurov	;;calc 21726/1.01	[18:58]
gribble	21510.8910891	[18:58]
mike_c	it makes sense if the fund is going to return 50%	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	mike_c not imo.	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 21315 *.99	[18:59]
gribble	21101.85	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 21315 1.01	[18:59]
gribble	Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1)	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 21315*1.01	[18:59]
gribble	21528.15	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	jurov : under 21101 and over 21528	[18:59]
jurov	lol we have to agree if it's /1.01 or *0.99	[18:59]
jurov	it's not the same :)	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	lol. ok	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 21315 / 1.01	[19:00]
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gribble	21103.960396	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov : under 21103 and over 21528	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.52398268 BTC to 8`031 shares, 31428 satoshi per share	[19:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]	[19:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	let me make an illustrative working model by what i mean by the size breeds security thing.	[19:02]
jurov	so i can now undercut the 21726 ask? but dunno if that recovers selling fee	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov you can, yes. fee is what, .2%	[19:03]
jurov	;;calc 21726/21528	[19:03]
gribble	1.00919732441	[19:03]
jurov	mhm	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	suppose vpif has 1 pc, with 10 btc. at t=0, the share goes for 100 satoshi.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	at t=1, the sole manager seems to be making a 15% gain	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	now, on model A, the spot tracs this, and the share trades at 115	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	on model B, the spot gets stuck at 101.5 while the capital of the fund swells to 50 btc, of which 10 allocated to pc1.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	at t=2, the sole manager that seemed to have been making a 15% gain runs off with the whole shebang.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	for model A, this is a 115 satoshi/share loss.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	for model B, this is a 20 satoshi per share loss.	[19:05]
mike_c	yes. so this goes back to what i said about the fund will end up carrying a huge cash balance	[19:06]
mike_c	in your example, 80%	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	except this example is 1 pc and mpif has 5, and this example has a shock 15% month, which mpif prolly won't ever have.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	so yes, it will carry cash. not that much, but in fact just about what's usually considered prudent in fiat.	[19:07]
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mircea_popescu	at any rate, nobody went broke holding btc.	[19:07]
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ThickAsThieves	yet!	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	apple for that matter carries billions in cash, so does berkshire, so do all powerful corps.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	cash matters.	[19:07]
mike_c	ok. obviously we will see how it plays out. but mpif will make 15% annually, which may end up meaning a 80% cash balance.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no, because these are per month.	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02893333 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2}	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	if nav is 220 next month, the price goes up for the shares too	[19:08]
mike_c	ok ok. but this then all relies on you having a very good idea what your nav is at a given time.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	mpif may definitely end up with a large cash balance, but this would be a negative commentary on the btc financial space, rather than on mpif itself.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	mike_c well that's the one good argument for increasing the berth there, actually. 1.5% may be too narrow,	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	and it may jump further up, according to what experience will indicate	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	the current value is a best guess value.	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like the mpif general mgr needs to be an active one	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	hey, i read these logs	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	i have, for like... i dunno, a year or two ? BILLIONZ OF LINES!11	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	and will you hawk over hanbot's bet progress and such?	[19:11]
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ThickAsThieves	basically maintain a dynamic nav as best you can	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	note tho that they're my shares, if i sell them under nav... well... tough tits for me.	[19:12]
bounce	so that's why you talk so much. can skip any lines you wrote yourself come log reading time.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	bounce no because most of the time i don't remember what i said	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	then im all like... o wow check out how fucking smart this dood is!	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	and then... o wait. it's... me ? win.	[19:13]
bounce	right in character too. my, there goes my snark.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:13]
thestringpuller	!ticker moolah	[19:13]
assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.	[19:13]
thestringpuller	!ticker moolah	[19:14]
assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.	[19:14]
thestringpuller	!ticker moolah	[19:14]
assbot	Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.	[19:14]
mike_c	one piece i was missing is that you will allow the share price to grow. this is different from many funds that keep their share price constant.	[19:14]
thestringpuller	;;kittylasers	[19:14]
gribble	Error: "kittylasers" is not a valid command.	[19:14]
thestringpuller	;;laserkitty	[19:14]
gribble	Error: "laserkitty" is not a valid command.	[19:14]
thestringpuller	;;laserkitteh	[19:14]
gribble	Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.	[19:14]
thestringpuller	:(	[19:14]
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Naphex	eevening	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	;;laserkitten	[19:15]
gribble	Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	;;laserkittens	[19:15]
gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew	[19:15]
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moiety	i thought moolah was closing	[19:16]
jurov	we can resume waiting for S.MNKY.. oh it got rebranded to S.LIMBS nao	[19:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00013465 = 1.3465 BTC [+] {7}	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.0	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00015292 = 15.292 BTC [+] {31}	[19:19]
fluffypony	who's sir Hassan and who's EricCEO?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	my guess would be goon lurkers here ?	[19:21]
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moiety	I RAPORT THIS TO INTREPOLL. << lol	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	lol any extraditions yet ?	[19:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013923 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {3}	[19:22]
bounce	INTARPOLL ON TO US? OHO NOES	[19:22]
bounce	wonder if that's actually more than one person. before you know it they hit "hero member" and nobody notices anything wrong.	[19:23]
Duffer1	needs Bitcoin Foundation Member avatar	[19:24]
moiety	intrepoll can extradite me if they like	[19:24]
pankkake	if only we could change avatars… :(	[19:25]
Duffer1	i know :(	[19:25]
moiety	owait it doesnt work like how i was thinking	[19:27]
moiety	why did btctalk stop the avatars btw?	[19:27]
fluffypony	moiety: someone exploited a bug in it	[19:27]
bounce	colour me shocked	[19:27]
fluffypony	and instead of spending a small portion of the few thousand BTC donated to fix it	[19:27]
fluffypony	and re-enable avatars	[19:27]
fluffypony	or, you know, use non-shitty forum software	[19:28]
fluffypony	they decided to just switch off functionality	[19:28]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[19:28]
moiety	will the mythical new software ever happen?	[19:28]
kakobrekla	cant be mythical if it happens	[19:28]
fluffypony	moiety: yes. they are reinventing the wheel from scratch for tens of thousands of Dollars, and it is expected to be released by 2025	[19:29]
moiety	been mythical so far	[19:29]
bounce	you never know. next you know they breed a horse that sings	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	well considering they had people like garr and john k holding the coins...	[19:29]
moiety	i see john re-appeared	[19:29]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445	[19:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096501 = 15.3437 BTC [-]	[19:29]
ozbot	Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people	[19:29]
pankkake	:D	[19:29]
fluffypony	where's jurov, he'll enjoy that	[19:30]
moiety	i know someone else that used smf for an altcoin forum, lasted like 2 months before they migrated to other software	[19:30]
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fluffypony	;;later tell jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445	[19:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:31]
pankkake	I stumbled upon http://bitvestor.info/	[19:31]
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Duffer1	;;seen vexual	[19:39]
gribble	vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: ty	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-first-trading-day-of-fmpif/	[19:39]
ozbot	The first trading day of F.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC	[19:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/#comment-99465	[19:43]
ozbot	Let’s do Mark Cuban pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	your site, %blogtitle%	[19:43]
thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo choose a baseball game and we'll go send me a later tell and we'll figure it out	[19:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	pankkake like another forum ?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	!up phish	[19:44]
assbot	Voicing phish for 30 minutes.	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	"Hello mrWDunne please advised real offer is mine hassan wants to only delouse you."	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	aaahahahaha	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:45]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 458.24, Best ask: 460.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 458.03, 24 hour volume: 8861.20016406, 24 hour low: 444.59, 24 hour high: 461.0, 24 hour vwap: 453.600423354	[19:45]
pankkake	well a forum of scams. like that horrific forum about high yield ponzies	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	with this large amount of good quality lulz we should see an uptick in price	[19:45]
asciilifeform	wants to only delouse you... high yield ponzies... << can't help but imagine a prisoner trying to subsist on his own lice.	[19:46]
asciilifeform	then feels robbed, when someone delouses him	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	ew	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	i suppose one could imagine this far away island where the greatest delicacy is pubic hair lice	[19:47]
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fluffypony	I wonder if you could reverse attack those spam comment systems	[19:50]
fluffypony	by having a malicious blogtitle	[19:50]
asciilifeform	there is a great multitude of people who make a hobby of pwning spammers, crapware artists, etc.	[19:51]
asciilifeform	it's about as much fun as catching and eating fleas.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	im sure you can.	[19:51]
fluffypony	have you seen this?	[19:51]
fluffypony	http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html	[19:51]
ozbot	An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://thetruthwins.com/archives/scientists-discover-proof-that-humanity-is-getting-dumber-smaller-and-weaker	[19:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC	[19:53]
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pankkake	fluffypony: https://www.projecthoneypot.org/	[19:55]
fluffypony	tks pankkake, last played around with running a honeypot ages ago	[19:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6026 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {7}	[20:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4103 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1039 BTC [-] {3}	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4005 @ 0.00002532 = 0.1014 BTC [-] {8}	[20:06]
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benkay	https://anarchopapist.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/exit-and-escape-velocity/	[20:12]
benkay	"Though Bitcoin’s value is predominantly speculative at this point, a future in which Bitcoin obtains a high and stable value would allow the creation of new financial contracts and mechanisms; these new arrangements would leave regulations and regulated industries in the dust, left to fight over the tawdry remains of those yet unable to migrate to the internet of money or those unwilling (but soon dead)."	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	what, are we still in 2011 ?	[20:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00096862 = 11.4297 BTC [+]	[20:13]
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benkay	"the future is here, it's just unevenly distributed."	[20:14]
benkay	i'm just highlighting people getting it.	[20:14]
benkay	uptake patterns are interesting etc	[20:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 30650 @ 0.0000253 = 0.7754 BTC [-] {3}	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6346 @ 0.0000253 = 0.1606 BTC [-] {3}	[20:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]	[20:18]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: yeah the flynn effect is reversing a little unfortunately. it's a race now, to advance technology to the point where we'll no longer need to advance it, before we can't do it anymore.	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000966 = 20.0445 BTC [-] {2}	[20:20]
midnightmagic	(unless it's going to stabilize soon)	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	there's no "we"	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	there is no shared anything among people of different intelligence.	[20:21]
midnightmagic	lol @ weird article though, those aren't the reasons as I understood them.	[20:22]
midnightmagic	hah! that people-quiz thing is pretty awesome.	[20:29]
midnightmagic	We have a Canadian guy who goes down there and talks to Americans.. what's-his-face.. Rick Mercer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo	[20:30]
asciilifeform	fuck flynn effect.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	dumbest myth there is	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:33]
*	midnightmagic shrugs.	[20:33]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: You should update the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect	[20:34]
asciilifeform	i'm a sp4mmz0r, remember	[20:34]
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midnightmagic	You are?	[20:35]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: yeah i was officially proclaimed a spamsock on pediwikia	[20:35]
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asciilifeform	existing solely for the purpose of advancing mp's spammade	[20:36]
asciilifeform	or sumthinglikethat	[20:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00291347 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {12}	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096501 = 11.1941 BTC [-]	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	!up multisignaturest	[20:47]
assbot	Voicing multisignaturest for 30 minutes.	[20:47]
*	assbot gives voice to multisignaturest	[20:47]
multisignaturest	i have no idea what is going on	[20:47]
benkay	nor do any of us	[20:47]
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multisignaturest	theres is a an assbot calling me out... something called a mircea+popescu saying !up	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/now-is-time-tomorrow-is-glory-ipo-people.307662/#msg6495740	[20:48]
ozbot	Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people \| Bitcointa.lk	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	can't tell if serious...	[20:48]
multisignaturest	HAHHAHAHAHH	[20:49]
multisignaturest	XD	[20:49]
multisignaturest	AWESOME	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[20:52]
asciilifeform	let's try...	[20:53]
asciilifeform	!up mircеа_рoреscu	[20:53]
assbot	Voicing mircÐµÐ°_ÑoÑÐµscu for 30 minutes.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	lol	[20:53]
asciilifeform	pass!	[20:53]
multisignaturest	!up mircеа_рoреscu	[20:53]
assbot	Insufficient rights, multisignaturest, !up yourself on PM first.	[20:53]
multisignaturest	!multisignaturestartup	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	wait wut	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	magic.	[20:54]
benkay	;;gettrust multisignaturetest	[20:54]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturetest: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturetest \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturetest \| Rated since: never	[20:54]
benkay	;;gettrust multisignaturestartup	[20:54]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturestartup: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturestartup \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturestartup \| Rated since: never	[20:54]
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asciilifeform	!up mircea_popescu	[20:56]
assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.	[20:56]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[20:56]
asciilifeform	lol!!!!	[20:56]
asciilifeform	exercise for alert reader.	[20:57]
Apocalyptic	the question is, can you down someone upped by assbot's L1 trust	[20:57]
asciilifeform	!up mircea_popescu	[20:58]
assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.	[20:58]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[20:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10894 @ 0.00096501 = 10.5128 BTC [-]	[20:58]
asciilifeform	damn, so that works without evil magic.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	nm	[20:58]
mike_c	Apocalyptic: no. kako has this thing working pretty well now.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	freenode is perfectly happy to eat homographs, though.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	which surprised me.	[20:59]
benkay	!up asciilifeform	[21:00]
assbot	Voicing asciilifeform without time-limit.	[21:00]
*	assbot gives voice to asciilifeform	[21:00]
benkay	!down asciilifeform	[21:00]
assbot	benkay, you can't do that to asciilifeform.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	i think this used to work...?	[21:00]
mike_c	it used to work if you upped yourself	[21:01]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03048571 = 0.2134 BTC [+] {2}	[21:01]
benkay	http://i.imgur.com/ahtGcvQ.gif	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00015009 = 0.3003 BTC [-] {2}	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00089999 = 0.45 BTC [-]	[21:02]
mike_c	!t h rent	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00532500 / 0.00583695 / 0.00739958 (639 shares, 3.72980913 BTC), 7D: 0.00532500 / 0.00698735 / 0.00750000 (2411 shares, 16.84651159 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00734936 / 0.00750000 (8205 shares, 60.30151159 BTC)	[21:02]
mike_c	looky there benkay	[21:02]
mike_c	back to 2po price	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 650 @ 0.0009 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2}	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03625 = 0.3625 BTC [-] {2}	[21:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00096501 = 3.2328 BTC [-]	[21:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+]	[21:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 230 @ 0.0009 = 0.207 BTC [+]	[21:05]
benkay	mike_c i'm trying to ship some goddamn software over here mkay?	[21:06]
benkay	quit distracting me with these scams.	[21:06]
mike_c	just ship and fix it later	[21:06]
benkay	sadly that is the pm's attitude on this project	[21:07]
benkay	"how about we don't do things the right way, saving ourselves maybe 800-1200 dollars that we'll need to spend correcting this bad decision in two weeks"	[21:07]
benkay	guy is classic penny wise and pound foolish	[21:07]
mike_c	good pm's are not common.	[21:08]
benkay	i was going to ask why some people are willing to spend more money to fix the bug their shitty prioritization imposes than doing it right in the first place and then i realized 'o yeah most people are stoopid monkeys'	[21:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25199 @ 0.00096781 = 24.3878 BTC [+] {2}	[21:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1515 @ 0.00015013 = 0.2274 BTC [+]	[21:15]
bounce	not everybody understands the implications of their priorisation decisions, or perhaps chooses to ignore them, or even thinks the overall {business,politics(!)} picture looks better	[21:19]
bounce	a valid question is why the guy made exactly these decisions and perhaps how whoever made him project manager came to that decision	[21:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00096987 = 0.3889 BTC [+]	[21:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07354182 = 0.2206 BTC [-] {2}	[21:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00096883 = 3.8259 BTC [-] {2}	[21:26]
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benkay	bounce: he's one of those guys who seems to always prefer the quick hack over spending some time thinking about the problem.	[21:30]
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mod6	ye ole bug in the tcp stack 'eh	[21:30]
*	mod6 rebuilds world	[21:30]
mod6	says that you could just: scrub in all fragment reassemble, but seems better to just patch and be done.	[21:32]
fluffypony	if you have scrub in all in pf you're already a-ok	[21:32]
mod6	yeah.	[21:33]
mod6	i always have that in my pf ruleset, but i need to rebuild anyway :)	[21:35]
mod6	does anyone else remember having to port PF in manually from obsd?	[21:37]
mod6	lol, then finally after like 10 years, fbsd merged it in as a kernel option you can build.	[21:38]
mod6	did anyone here ever use ipfw and feel that pain? i mean, it worked, but it was tricky with that match-first ruleset as opposed to the filtering and match-last system of PF.	[21:41]
mod6	plus then you get the added bonus of like altq+priq.	[21:41]
mod6	<3 PF	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	i kndalike ipfw	[21:41]
mod6	i always thought it was a pain to get it just right. once it worked, it worked good, i mean it did it's job. but i found it more painful for some reason than PF.	[21:42]
mod6	maybe its because i learned on ipfw tho.	[21:42]
mod6	and the first is always the hardest	[21:43]
mod6	:}	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[21:43]
fluffypony	mod6: yeah, I remember pf being all the rage, and switching a couple of boxes from fbsd to obsd because I wanted to use pf	[21:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	in other news,	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p01/image/10.jpg	[21:52]
benkay	what a face	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p02/image/04.jpg	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	there, moar of her mug	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/05.jpg	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/12.jpg	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	should suffice.	[21:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055002 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}	[21:58]
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mike_c	;;calc 0.2 / 0.0075	[21:58]
gribble	26.6666666667	[21:58]
mike_c	3po investors down 26%. go havelol!	[21:59]
mod6	benkay: yeah but just look at her ass!	[22:00]
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mod6	nice rack too @_@	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	"On February 22, 2010, the company approached the city of Phoenix, Arizona with an offer of $10 million to rename the Sky Harbor Airport to Ashley Madison International Airport for a five-year period. Even though the city was in financial trouble, it rejected the offer."	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	tsk tsk. uppity.	[22:08]
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jurov	fluffypony i actually had to look to lulzbourse, if PISS is there.. but sadly, it's shopped	[22:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450066 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}	[22:10]
fluffypony	mad shopping skillz	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	aww	[22:10]
fluffypony	"proslimbs_ink i am not irish. keep working maybe you find a potato. "	[22:12]
fluffypony	lol	[22:12]
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jurov	http://cryptocoinstockexchange.com/ ... cuz bitcoinbourse is too short	[22:17]
ozbot	Crypto Coin Stock Exchange - The Wall Street of Crypto Coins	[22:17]
fluffypony	this guy is a machine	[22:19]
fluffypony	he pumps out shitty sites with IPO PDFs more often than I drink wine	[22:19]
fluffypony	and I drink a lot of wine	[22:19]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=592132.0	[22:19]
ozbot	New Shares listing on Bitcoin Bourse "TCT" Truth Shares	[22:19]
moiety	lol fluffypony i could do with some wine today	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	is it the same dude ?	[22:21]
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jurov	yes, markus	[22:21]
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mircea_popescu	the brick head of the wall street of cryptostuff	[22:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0345002 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {2}	[22:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+] {3}	[22:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03649999 = 0.146 BTC [+] {2}	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031 = 0.155 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.0045 = 0.261 BTC [-] {3}	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	!up Rulother	[22:35]
assbot	Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.	[22:35]
*	assbot gives voice to Rulother	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 161 @ 0.00442232 = 0.712 BTC [-] {2}	[22:35]
Rulother	Thank you	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	my pleasure.	[22:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00440026 = 0.1012 BTC [-] {2}	[22:36]
fluffypony	so	[22:39]
fluffypony	Have you heard about the Oscar Pistorius drinking game?	[22:39]
fluffypony	every time someone goes to the loo you take 4 shots	[22:39]
Naphex	i never understood drinking games	[22:40]
Naphex	just drink	[22:40]
Naphex	you thirsty, drink	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	;;ident kakobrekla	[22:40]
gribble	Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None	[22:40]
Naphex	not drunk enough, drink	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	Naphex gotta get the girls drunk somehow.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	it occurs to me, the sad case of deprived.	[22:41]
Naphex	hehe	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	had the man just been patient, something like mpif would have been exactly right for him. but instead... had to get involved with cypher-whatever it was.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	ruined a reputation, lost a stash, either of these'd have been worth millions in the future.	[22:43]
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Naphex	whom?	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	deprived.	[22:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.293 BTC [-]	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014638 = 0.1464 BTC [-]	[22:45]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/1hjnXfd.jpg	[22:46]
fluffypony	lol	[22:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.1465 BTC [+]	[22:48]
bounce	eh. so. uhm. advert banner: "a highly addictive FREE adult game" under some not-especially-well-done renders of nekkid chixx with pointy ears in leia-bra, sporting wings, or atop a unicorn. what'd they do, raid cghub and sell it as pr0n?	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03400002 = 0.238 BTC [-] {2}	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	what's cghub	[22:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+]	[22:53]
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bounce	oh, looks closed down. wondered why things'd gone br0ked. anyhow, place for sharing 3d computer graphics models.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	but like... 10 years ago no ?	[22:55]
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Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, it's fair to say he deprived himself from a successful future	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i guess so. sucks.	[22:55]
cgcardona_	good morning #bitcoin-assets o/	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	heya aussie.	[22:55]
fluffypony	cgcardona_:)	[22:57]
fluffypony	how goes it?	[22:57]
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cgcardona_	good. just ordered some (admittedly low end) gear for my recording studio project	[22:57]
cgcardona_	https://gist.github.com/cgcardona/52fb48cb857fe8aec577 in case anyone is interested	[22:57]
ozbot	New gear for my Kauai music studio	[22:57]
cgcardona_	i just moved back to kauai from SF and sold all of my gear before I left the city	[22:57]
cgcardona_	so I'm starting over w/ some cheap gear just to get set up.	[22:58]
cgcardona_	how you doing? anything exciting happening?	[22:58]
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jurov	MPIF is selling	[23:07]
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jurov	!up Kushed	[23:08]
assbot	Voicing Kushed for 30 minutes.	[23:08]
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jurov	!up Enky	[23:08]
assbot	Voicing Enky for 30 minutes.	[23:08]
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bounce	what're you recording?	[23:08]
jurov	???	[23:09]
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cgcardona_	my personal music. Here are some of my older songs https://soundcloud.com/cgcardona	[23:10]
cgcardona_	but I'm working on a bunch of new stuff so that's why i ordered the gear	[23:10]
cgcardona_	do you play/record bounce ?	[23:11]
*	bounce recalls "doing internet radio" with a kick mike (nice and low response on the voices), homemade spit filter, a (PA) mixer panel, I forgot what for playing records, and, uh, a couple peecees for the recording and streaming. (winamp on w95 with encoder plugin to icy server on linux, then somethingorother for multicast)	[23:11]
bounce	used to do some band mixing when nominally a student, even did a quick course on it. was kinda fun.	[23:12]
cgcardona_	wow your internet radio setup sounds epic	[23:13]
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mircea_popescu	!up supay	[23:14]
assbot	Voicing supay for 30 minutes.	[23:14]
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supay	thanks for that	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	so who're you ?	[23:15]
bounce	the uplink was 64kbit ISDN back then. I think we split it out on a box on campus with 100Mbit, which was pretty good for ~2000. for (possibly fake, as in from the next room over the pabx) dialin we cut up an old "second ear" on a phone.	[23:15]
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supay	mircea_popescu: Someone who wants to make a lot of money.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	haha okay.	[23:16]
supay	I was told that I could learn a lot from this channel.	[23:16]
supay	So I thought I would watch, and learn.	[23:16]
supay	Who are you mircea_popescu?	[23:16]
cgcardona_	haha.	[23:16]
bounce	good question. :)	[23:16]
cgcardona_	def some wisdom around here for anyone who has ears to listen.	[23:16]
cgcardona_	;;gettrust supay	[23:17]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay \| Rated since: never	[23:17]
*	MobGod (~mobgod@unaffiliated/mobgod) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	im just this guy that keeps naming things after himself in a vain but ultimately doomed hope of surviving thusly.	[23:17]
cgcardona_	you'll lose voice+ after 30 minutes (is that how long it is?) and if you aren't in the wot you can't speak in here supay	[23:18]
cgcardona_	just fyi ^	[23:18]
supay	mircea_popescu: interesting.. looks like I can learn from this chan after all..	[23:18]
supay	cgcardona_: and how would get on the wot?	[23:19]
bounce	five hours old and a cloak. quick work. where're you from? your name's not jenkins by any chance?	[23:19]
supay	no it is not	[23:19]
cgcardona_	supay: here is the highlevel trilema post (sorry MP hope you don't mind me swooping on the link post) http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/	[23:19]
supay	thank you cgcardona_	[23:20]
cgcardona_	that's a good place to start w/ the high level wotupwidit	[23:20]
cgcardona_	supay: no prob. :) glad to help. I can pass the newb crown to you	[23:20]
cgcardona_	:-D	[23:20]
kakobrekla	isnt dat link in the wiki :p	[23:20]
supay	:)	[23:20]
kakobrekla	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation	[23:21]
kakobrekla	it is.	[23:21]
ozbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ links are made for sharing, like womenz.	[23:21]
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cgcardona_	ha	[23:21]
supay	nice blog mircea_popescu	[23:21]
*	ericmuyser (~ericmuyse@162-222-122-201.ip.van.radiant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	$depth f.mpif	[23:22]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['50000 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.0002151', '500 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.000215', '1400 @ 0.00021333']	[23:22]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['99600 @ 0.00021725', '990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '100000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004']	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	ha!	[23:22]
kakobrekla	anyway i still think you should hit the wiki first on your quest, supay .	[23:22]
cgcardona_	yea good advice. kakobrekla is a sage indeed.	[23:23]
supay	alright kakobrekla. will do.	[23:23]
bounce	(here's a herring)	[23:23]
*	MiningBuddy (~msn@unaffiliated/miningbuddy) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:23]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: did you change the price for the new shares to 21726?	[23:23]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah. see logz.	[23:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0728 = 0.1456 BTC [+]	[23:25]
*	mjr_ (~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:25]
*	ChanServ removes voice from Kushed	[23:26]
*	ericmuyser has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[23:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07250035 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}	[23:26]
*	MiningBuddy- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07220302 = 0.2888 BTC [-] {4}	[23:27]
*	ryepdx (~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:28]
benkay	!up ryepdx	[23:29]
assbot	Voicing ryepdx for 30 minutes.	[23:29]
*	assbot gives voice to ryepdx	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07131323 = 2.0681 BTC [-] {7}	[23:29]
*	Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0009712 = 4.079 BTC [+]	[23:32]
*	Enky (~enky@159.20.215.242) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:33]
Naphex	/last mpif	[23:35]
thestringpuller	!last m f.mpif	[23:35]
assbot	Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]	[23:35]
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*	MiningBuddy- (~msn@109.201.154.130) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:38]
benkay	kakobrekla: assbot doesn't seem to like users not authed with the same WoT handle as their IRC nick.	[23:38]
*	assbot removes voice from Kushed	[23:38]
kakobrekla	affirmative.	[23:38]
benkay	is there a workaround?	[23:39]
benkay	kinda unnecessary coupling of freenode and wot	[23:39]
kakobrekla	presently there is no workaround	[23:39]
benkay	!up ryepdx	[23:39]
assbot	Voice for ryepdx extended to 30 minutes.	[23:39]
*	assbot gives voice to ryepdx	[23:39]
benkay	;;ident ryepdx	[23:39]
gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ryepdx', with hostmask 'ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'rye', with GPG key id 680F5108B06DBB77, key fingerprint C901BFF645AF5CD06F58D724680F5108B06DBB77, and bitcoin address None	[23:39]
kakobrekla	except that you /nick back and forward for the voice operation	[23:40]
benkay	so nick to the wot nick and then nick back to your normal nick?	[23:40]
*	benkay is now known as foobutts	[23:40]
foobutts	;;lasers	[23:40]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[23:40]
*	foobutts is now known as benkay	[23:41]
kakobrekla	yea	[23:41]
thestringpuller	how do you do kitten laters?	[23:41]
thestringpuller	;;kitten lasers	[23:41]
gribble	Error: "kitten" is not a valid command.	[23:41]
thestringpuller	><	[23:41]
benkay	ryepdx: didja get kakobrekla's instructions?	[23:41]
*	MiningBuddy has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[23:42]
benkay	nanotube: is there a way to trigger an authentication request from outside irc?	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	nah	[23:45]
supay	so if i just register on bitcoin-otc with a gpg key, I can continue chatting here?	[23:45]
*	assbot removes voice from supay	[23:45]
mike_c	!up supay	[23:46]
assbot	Voicing supay for 30 minutes.	[23:46]
*	assbot gives voice to supay	[23:46]
cgcardona_	til the ;;lasers command	[23:46]
supay	thanks mike_c..	[23:46]
cgcardona_	supay: once you register someone will need to rate you. then you can chat here	[23:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03352746 = 0.1006 BTC [-]	[23:46]
supay	oh, damn.	[23:47]
supay	I don't have any btc to trade to get a rating.	[23:47]
kakobrekla	yes cock sucking time.	[23:47]
cgcardona_	lawl	[23:47]
mike_c	not the only (or even the best) way to get rated	[23:47]
kakobrekla	ops that came out loud	[23:47]
supay	lol	[23:47]
cgcardona_	supay: someone will usually rate a new person a 1 just for the purpose of v+ in here	[23:47]
supay	Oh, okay. Thats nice.	[23:47]
cgcardona_	then what you do w/ that ability to chat is up to you. at which point your wot score could plummet if you're a DB	[23:48]
kakobrekla	mostly depends on first n lines you type into this box	[23:48]
supay	cgcardona_: DB?	[23:48]
supay	kakobrekla: i understand..	[23:48]
cgcardona_	supay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db	[23:48]
kakobrekla	lemme guess, database	[23:48]
mike_c	;;ud db	[23:49]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db \| Diarrhea Bubble. There are 5 different classes of pure, 100% Db's. CLASS ONE- The regular Diarrhea Bubble that someone gets occasionally by eating ...	[23:49]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: db	[23:49]
bounce	mssql? mysql? db2?	[23:49]
cgcardona_	ya know. If you abuse your v+ people will rate you -. That kinda thing.	[23:49]
cgcardona_	that's wot the wots all about	[23:49]
cgcardona_	at least partly wot it's about.	[23:49]
cgcardona_	bounce: mongoDB obviouslyt	[23:49]
supay	lol	[23:49]
cgcardona_	*obviously	[23:49]
asciilifeform	supay: i've never traded btc and people did rate me on some occasions.	[23:49]
bounce	nosql == nodb	[23:49]
asciilifeform	supay: do something useful for somebody.	[23:49]
supay	thats nice..	[23:49]
supay	yeah, okay.	[23:50]
cgcardona_	;;gettrust supay	[23:50]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay \| Rated since: never	[23:50]
benkay	(DoucheBag for those not embedded in the prison)	[23:51]
fluffypony	bounce: you know Coinbase uses mongodb, right?	[23:51]
cgcardona_	gives you confidence doesn't it	[23:51]
fluffypony	so much	[23:52]
*	assbot gives voice to nanotube	[23:52]
nanotube	benkay: nope, irc only.	[23:52]
fluffypony	eventual consistency is great	[23:52]
cgcardona_	acid huh?	[23:52]
fluffypony	in their case eventual = within two weeks	[23:52]
fluffypony	they should get together with BFL	[23:52]
kakobrekla	hi nanotube	[23:52]
nanotube	benkay: also, i see you're talking about irc nick and wot username differences - shouldn't be an issue, the output of 'ident' command includes wot username... so you have both pieces of info.	[23:52]
nanotube	hi kakobrekla :)	[23:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.0009712 = 2.8175 BTC [+]	[23:53]
kakobrekla	yes that is not the issue	[23:53]
cgcardona_	;;ticker	[23:53]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 458.34, Best ask: 459.34, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 458.34, 24 hour volume: 10658.50942672, 24 hour low: 444.79, 24 hour high: 465.88, 24 hour vwap: 456.952838177	[23:53]
kakobrekla	the issue is that private !up would need to take in an argument.	[23:53]
kakobrekla	that would make the design of the whole thing less nice.	[23:53]
nanotube	kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident '	[23:53]
fluffypony	http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/sandisk-4-tb-optimus-ssd-lightning,1-1925.html <- the end of the spinning platter cometh	[23:54]
ozbot	SanDisk Announces 4TB SSDs, 8TB & 16TB SSDs to Follow	[23:54]
kakobrekla	hmm i think i had a good reason regarding that lemme think	[23:54]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: how many write cycles -per cell- now? 10?	[23:54]
nanotube	kakobrekla: then look at gettrust for the wot username...	[23:54]
asciilifeform	(the denser ssd gets, the more flimsy the actual storage cells are made)	[23:54]
asciilifeform	this fact is papered over by 'write-leveling'	[23:55]
kakobrekla	yes it would require 2 separate commands like you said	[23:55]
kakobrekla	then it could work.	[23:56]
kakobrekla	(on the assbot side)	[23:56]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: afaik the nand flash in those drives is ~3k writes per cell	[23:56]
cgcardona_	fluffypony: wow 16 TB.	[23:56]
cgcardona_	crazy	[23:56]
kakobrekla	but is it really a thing worth fixing ?	[23:56]
asciilifeform	3k! pitiful	[23:56]
fluffypony	oh I got it wrong	[23:57]
fluffypony	eMLC NAND is 30k, not 3k	[23:57]
fluffypony	my bad	[23:57]
fluffypony	cMLD is only 5k, but I can live with that	[23:58]

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