Forum logs for 01 Dec 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
rdponticelli I want the signed recipt of my F.GIGA.ETF holdings, locked [00:00]
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rdponticelli I don't share my key ;) [00:01]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli deposit and whine at me. [00:02]
rdponticelli But I would like to know if it would be a problem later to reactivate my account... << mircea_popescu? [00:02]
Namjies hmm, how many shares do you have? [00:03]
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Namjies I always wondered who had all the other shares. [00:03]
Namjies So basically, make a signed request [00:04]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: So, not too troublesome? [00:04]
rdponticelli Namjies: I have around 115000 [00:04]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli well, moderately. [00:05]
rdponticelli You have a large holding too, right? [00:05]
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Namjies I have over half all of them I believe. [00:06]
Namjies 566000 [00:06]
rdponticelli Are you doing something to claim them? [00:07]
Namjies Probably going to ask Gigavps for them. Probably won't do much tho. [00:07]
Namjies It would be practical if Mircea signed us a message about the amount held after trading is alted, before erasing data. [00:09]
Namjies But I recall he's not interested in doing any extra task at all in relation to anything due to GLBSE closing down. [00:11]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: The etf will be delisted tomorrow? Or today when everything clears? [00:11]
rdponticelli Namjies: We can "pool" our claim [00:12]
mircea_popescu soon at any rate. [00:13]
Namjies Nah, not sure pooling claims is a good idea. [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6325 @ 0.00052393 = 3.3139 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6325 @ 0.00052393 = 3.3139 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00052454 = 5.4075 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00052454 = 5.4075 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052156 = 1.2231 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00052142 = 6.6976 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0005202 = 7.6209 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00052142 = 6.6976 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00052003 = 4.7271 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0005202 = 7.6209 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3013 @ 0.00051977 = 1.5661 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00052003 = 4.7271 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10502 @ 0.00051933 = 5.454 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3013 @ 0.00051977 = 1.5661 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00051933 = 4.2362 BTC [-] [00:13]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: And will we keep the proof on our accounts of our holdings or it will it be erased? [00:14]
Namjies Erased. [00:14]
Namjies All signed transaction records are kept however. [00:14]
mircea_popescu hm [00:14]
Namjies But I don't think Mircea would fetch those for you. [00:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google conversation discarded as worthless [00:14]
gribble Conversation Discarded as Worthless pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; scrap - definition of scrap by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: ; Love Shack Compassion Ministry: [00:14]
mircea_popescu see that first link rdponticelli [00:15]
Namjies what? Love shack from a church? That 3rd link looks suspicious. [00:17]
Ukto ah HAH [00:18]
Ukto alright.. so I did a sweet setup [00:18]
Namjies ? [00:18]
Ukto I set things for the API to be on a subdomain (so I can move it to its own server if things get hefty) [00:19]
Namjies API for? [00:19]
Ukto BF [00:19]
rdponticelli Yeah, already read it, mircea_popescu [00:19]
rdponticelli But I don't agree with some of the points and I'm willing to try keep the link with giga... [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051962 = 1.2185 BTC [+] [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00051933 = 10.6229 BTC [-] [00:22]
mircea_popescu thing is you don't actually have a link with giga. [00:22]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: I would need to deal with whoever had the shares for you, too. Could you send him my way? [00:23]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:23]
rdponticelli Well, I would like to chat with giga about that... [00:24]
mircea_popescu by all means [00:26]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: Wouldn't you tell me who he is either? [00:26]
mircea_popescu giga ?! [00:27]
jurov didn't anyone notice a problem with s.mpoe? [00:27]
jurov there are 1e18 buy/sell orders [00:28]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: No, whoever was holding the glbse shares for the etf [00:28]
mircea_popescu bah bs [00:28]
rdponticelli btw, withdrawal requested [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00052043 = 3.7471 BTC [+] [00:29]
jurov whoever is buying/selling 18`446`744`073`709`529`088 of S.MPOE, raise your hand [00:30]
smickles I thought it way you [00:30]
mircea_popescu lol [00:30]
smickles that bot you're braggin' about [00:30]
burnside that's awesome [00:31]
jurov indeed i am testing modifications, but my stats are pretty normal [00:31]
burnside yo, MP, are the assbot posts here all of the MPEx trades? or just some portion of 'em? [00:32]
smickles anyone who wants to short s.bvps b/c rg is awol and they haven't put out a P&L statement in months, I have a little over 2k shares available to lend [00:33]
jcpham as long as the duct tape holds [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052453 = 1.23 BTC [+] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2355 @ 0.00052485 = 1.236 BTC [+] [00:33]
jcpham smickles do i need to call rg [00:33]
jcpham ...on the phone [00:34]
smickles jcpham: well, I can't get a word from him or grubles about the financial reports, or what rg meant about merging bitvps with his boss [00:34]
jcpham see i don't even know what that means [00:35]
smickles for a week or so [00:35]
mircea_popescu burnside should be all [00:35]
jcpham i know grubles has been awol for some time now [00:35]
jcpham months [00:35]
smickles i mean, he's been paying the dividend (a day late sometimes), but consistantly [00:36]
smickles but the reports just stop some months ago [00:36]
mircea_popescu jcpham i recall talking to him this month [00:36]
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burnside things are pretty quiet then on the satoshidice [00:36]
jcpham last time i spoke to rg on the phone [00:37]
smickles so he's not exactly living up to all of what's in the contract [00:37]
jcpham he said grubles had been awol to him [00:37]
Ukto making a sweet api doc display.. [00:37]
Ukto making a sweet api [00:37]
burnside I want to get some. :) [00:37]
Ukto gonna check whos naughty or nice [00:37]
jcpham seems like you guys know more than me [00:37]
jcpham if it is an emergency i can call him [00:37]
smickles 22:36 < burnside> things are pretty quiet then on the satoshidice <<< are you kidding, have a look at blockchain's front page, most are SD txns scrolling by [00:38]
Ukto you talk to rg on the phone? [00:38]
jcpham once [00:38]
burnside smickles, I meant with the share trading. =P [00:38]
* Ukto has talked to coingenuity a few times [00:38]
jcpham my vps wasn't working [00:38]
jcpham i tracked him down [00:38]
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smickles burnside: ah, ok. well, it's higher volume than typical for s.dice [00:39]
jcpham communications were established [00:39]
jcpham he knows where i work and my office number [00:39]
jcpham i know his cell [00:39]
smickles jcpham: i dunno if it's an emergency, just not ideal [00:39]
Ukto liek everything else, my OCD ia cuasing me to go extreme on the api docs. :P [00:39]
Ukto including testing [00:39]
jcpham yeah i see the worry [00:39]
smickles Ukto: api docs? just follow after nefario and make 99% of the api secret [00:39]
burnside I'm gonna have to get an MPEx acct I think [00:39]
smickles burnside: i've never regretted getting mine [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052455 = 1.2301 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13795 @ 0.00052485 = 7.2403 BTC [+] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00052523 = 0.1891 BTC [+] [00:40]
burnside what other good stuff is on there? [00:40]
smickles burnside: the best stuff is the options [00:41]
jurov ^ this [00:41]
burnside yeah, nowhere else you can get that [00:41]
burnside that I know of anyway [00:41]
Ukto smickles: I already commentated on that [00:41]
jurov burnside, and bonds, but they are sold by email [00:42]
jcpham how about as long as my vps is online everything is fine [00:42]
jcpham so just /whois jcpham [00:42]
jcpham if you get no response, bitvps is fubar [00:42]
smickles you don't need an account to do the mpbor things ("bonds") [00:42]
burnside what are the good bonds? [00:43]
mircea_popescu let's dig this up [00:43]
mircea_popescu burnside http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 [00:43]
smickles burnside: it's just one bond, to fund mircea_popescu's option bot [00:43]
mircea_popescu read that story [00:43]
smickles burnside: also, note that it doesn't fit a 'letter for letter' definiton of an IRL bond [00:44]
smickles woah, when did blockchain switch their logo? [00:44]
burnside cool, I'll check it out [00:45]
jurov burnside, and they are not insured, after all :p [00:45]
smickles the 'oc' form a little bomb now [00:45]
burnside heh, I didn't mean buy insurance btw [00:45]
burnside I meant that an agreement with mpex would be good insurance [00:45]
burnside ;) [00:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17761 @ 0.00052523 = 9.3286 BTC [+] [00:45]
mircea_popescu well... "insured", they have a clear revenue/loss model [00:45]
mircea_popescu which is pretty much unique afaik. [00:45]
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Namjies What guarantee do we have that the unkown proxy who held Gigamining shares for you won't claim them for himself alone? I think that's the biggest concern with the fact shares are dropped on your part. [00:48]
smickles ;;time [00:49]
gribble 02:49 PM, November 30, 2012 [00:49]
smickles ;;ticker [00:49]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58112, Best ask: 12.58115, Bid-ask spread: 0.00003, Last trade: 12.58112, 24 hour volume: 24654.39650294, 24 hour low: 12.42423, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.55466 [00:49]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [00:49]
gribble 12.51 [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052072 = 1.2211 BTC [-] [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10363 @ 0.00052043 = 5.3932 BTC [-] [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052504 = 1.2312 BTC [+] [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00052523 = 0.7243 BTC [+] [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20818 @ 0.00052937 = 11.0204 BTC [+] [00:53]
Namjies When I trust someone, my trust doesn't extend further to the people they trust. [00:54]
Ukto .j #swagger [00:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00337442 = 0.6749 BTC [+] [00:56]
smickles heh burnside ^ there's you s.dice action [00:56]
Azelphur I've been sitting on S.Dice since the IPO [00:58]
Azelphur and never looked at my account [00:58]
mircea_popescu Namjies it's really an artefact rather than a legitimate concern. how do we know yahoo mail isn't claiming them for themselves for that matter. [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052047 = 1.2205 BTC [-] [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116 @ 0.00052043 = 0.0604 BTC [-] [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23539 @ 0.00051926 = 12.2229 BTC [-] [00:58]
burnside whoo hoo [00:59]
Azelphur seems like I have 38.68 BTC in S.DICE shares, not bad [00:59]
Azelphur what was the IPO value of them? [01:00]
burnside I think 0.0032? [01:00]
mircea_popescu ya [01:00]
Azelphur ah, so pretty much the same [01:00]
burnside if you have enough, it's not bad [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052925 = 1.2411 BTC [+] [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26772 @ 0.00052937 = 14.1723 BTC [+] [01:01]
Azelphur yea I don't think the dividends are paying out amazing amounts, I only have 1.13 btc balance xD [01:01]
Azelphur and 11.5k shares [01:01]
burnside I think once the ipo sells out they'll work their way up [01:02]
Azelphur lol ipo still not sold after all this time [01:02]
burnside no, I read they're in second tranche [01:02]
Azelphur ah [01:02]
Namjies How can you claim such absurdities? The one holding the gigamining shares for you may very well have given his BTC address to GLBSE and then simply get an affidavit notified to that effect. If he doesn't consult a lawyer and just get it notified, it will only cost him a few dollars. [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00052937 = 5.0078 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14934 @ 0.00053292 = 7.9586 BTC [+] [01:02]
burnside the total shares in the IPO is only 10% of the company shares [01:03]
burnside so the dividends get pretty dilluted before they get to you [01:03]
Namjies And for 1000 Gigamining shares, it's about 10 BTC or 120 USD per week that has been accumulated. [01:03]
Namjies That proxy could very well make a few easy BTC by claiming them. [01:04]
burnside still, I think it'd be a good add for my bitcoin portoflio [01:04]
burnside portfolio... [01:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052666 = 1.235 BTC [-] [01:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00052648 = 5.6886 BTC [-] [01:04]
Namjies S.DICE pays about 1% per month. [01:04]
Azelphur I can't wait for GLBSE to pay out, gonna be awesome :D [01:04]
Namjies I already got paid, fortunatly. [01:05]
Azelphur yea, I'm waiting for SS [01:05]
Namjies I need the data now. [01:05]
Azelphur yea, the data specifically [01:05]
burnside It'll be nice to put it all behind us [01:05]
Azelphur I got ~500btc in SS [01:05]
Azelphur gonna get paid :D [01:05]
Namjies That's a hefty amount. [01:05]
Azelphur indeed [01:06]
burnside yeah, no wonder you're so excited. [01:06]
burnside heh [01:06]
burnside I would be too. :) [01:06]
burnside I've been really worried about what to do with my bond holders for LTC-MINING. [01:06]
burnside I hated having my ass hanging out waiting for Nef to get his act together. [01:07]
smickles Azelphur: well, no list from nefario here :| [01:07]
Azelphur yea [01:07]
Azelphur smickles: :( [01:07]
burnside and I only had a small fraction of the exposure giga does. :( [01:07]
burnside I'm sure I'll be one of the last to get the list, I was a pretty small fish [01:07]
Namjies Well, I integrated my WHMCS cart with my template. How does it look? https://clients.namworld.net/clientarea.php [01:08]
Azelphur nice [01:08]
smickles Azelphur: ya know, i cant get the linux version of tf2 to work with my video driver, i tried to upgrade, but the newer drivers don't seem to work [01:08]
Azelphur smickles: what card [01:08]
smickles 68XX iirc [01:09]
Azelphur so ATI [01:09]
Azelphur hmm [01:09]
smickles ya [01:09]
Azelphur are you using radeon or proprietary [01:09]
smickles proprietary [01:09]
Azelphur try using radeon, it actually worked on my laptop under radeon [01:10]
smickles the one that shipped with 12.04 [01:10]
Azelphur 12.04 doesn't ship with proprietary [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053258 = 1.2489 BTC [+] [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00053292 = 4.5591 BTC [+] [01:10]
smickles that's the only option i have, maybe i did something weird [01:10]
Azelphur go into the hardware drivers dialog and uninstall all ati things [01:11]
Azelphur then try it [01:12]
smickles i may as well give it a shot :) [01:13]
Azelphur :) [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00053292 = 8.0471 BTC [+] [01:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053073 = 1.2446 BTC [-] [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00053065 = 2.3349 BTC [-] [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00052761 = 9.3123 BTC [-] [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00052648 = 0.8924 BTC [-] [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20087 @ 0.00052627 = 10.5712 BTC [-] [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00053292 = 2.1855 BTC [+] [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00053401 = 7.4227 BTC [+] [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 612 @ 0.00053435 = 0.327 BTC [+] [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053405 = 1.2523 BTC [-] [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27877 @ 0.00053435 = 14.8961 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00053455 = 6.9224 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00053495 = 2.6646 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15152 @ 0.00053498 = 8.106 BTC [+] [01:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052182 = 1.2237 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5705 @ 0.0005215 = 2.9752 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052859 = 1.2395 BTC [+] [01:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31105 @ 0.0005286 = 16.4421 BTC [+] [01:52]
nanotube kuzetsa: well, because my implementation uses gpg, the plugin's called gpg. :) [01:54]
nanotube kuzetsa: that said, you can use pgp whenever you need gpg, with gribble. i.e., pgp eauth works just as well as gpg eauth. :) [01:55]
smickles ;;pgp info [01:58]
gribble (gpg info [--key|--address] ) -- Returns the registration details of registered user . If '--key' option is given, interpret as a GPG key ID. [01:58]
smickles :o [01:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052153 = 1.223 BTC [-] [01:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3155 @ 0.0005215 = 1.6453 BTC [-] [01:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052838 = 1.2391 BTC [+] [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.0005286 = 11.3623 BTC [+] [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22037 @ 0.0005291 = 11.6598 BTC [+] [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8123 @ 0.00053498 = 4.3456 BTC [+] [02:12]
jurov did anyone get any data in "exercises" part of mpex jsonstat reply? [02:16]
jurov i had some options to autoexercise but they were worthless, so they just vanished without trace [02:18]
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mircea_popescu jurov i think month ends in ~40 minutes [02:20]
mircea_popescu o nm it already went [02:20]
jurov lol you live in CET nao [02:20]
mircea_popescu a ok! lol. [02:21]
smickles mircea_popescu: what was the final #? [02:21]
mircea_popescu # ? [02:22]
jurov i think he meant btcusd [02:22]
mircea_popescu 12.52 [02:23]
smickles :) [02:23]
mircea_popescu everyone please check out teh exercise. [02:24]
jurov so it's supposed to send nothing if exercises result was 0? [02:25]
mircea_popescu well yes. if option is worthless it just goes away [02:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18397 @ 0.00052521 = 9.6623 BTC [-] [02:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14103 @ 0.00053498 = 7.5448 BTC [+] [02:26]
Lyspooner you should charge for expiration [02:26]
jurov me or mircea? [02:26]
Lyspooner most derivative exchanges charge a fee for exercise or non-exercise [02:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00338428 = 0.3384 BTC [+] [02:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4300 @ 0.00338447 = 14.5532 BTC [+] [02:26]
jurov i do charge 0.5% fee. mpex charges nothing iirc. [02:27]
mircea_popescu i might eventually, but for now... let the people enjoy. [02:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052173 = 1.2235 BTC [-] [02:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0005215 = 4.7196 BTC [-] [02:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00338405 = 5.4145 BTC [-] [02:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00336802 = 10.7777 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00337956 = 7.0971 BTC [+] [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 72 @ 0.00338447 = 0.2437 BTC [+] [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00339999 = 3.8284 BTC [+] [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0005267 = 2.8969 BTC [+] [02:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052156 = 1.2231 BTC [-] [02:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12590 @ 0.0005215 = 6.5657 BTC [-] [02:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00051926 = 1.6315 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00051922 = 6.8018 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.00051921 = 6.0062 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00051921 = 3.7689 BTC [-] [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 382 @ 0.00051903 = 0.1983 BTC [-] [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00051903 = 7.3702 BTC [-] [02:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00051903 = 0.8824 BTC [-] [02:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6563 @ 0.00051903 = 3.4064 BTC [-] [02:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00051899 = 13.9608 BTC [-] [02:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3416 @ 0.00051888 = 1.7725 BTC [-] [02:57]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpoe-november-2012-statement/ [03:08]
mircea_popescu mpoe/mpex results are out. [03:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12834 @ 0.00051888 = 6.6593 BTC [-] [03:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00051884 = 4.7038 BTC [-] [03:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005206 = 1.2208 BTC [+] [03:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7655 @ 0.00052078 = 3.9866 BTC [+] [03:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052058 = 1.2208 BTC [-] [03:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12005 @ 0.00052078 = 6.252 BTC [+] [03:20]
jurov i was thinking the dividend will be bigger, forgot that you have to pay interest on the bonds [03:22]
mircea_popescu ya, was a huge outlay this month [03:22]
mircea_popescu well, in comparative terms at least. [03:23]
jurov haha actually my experiment to issue options funded by loan ended up similarly [03:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 1000000000 @ 0.00000043 = 433.9709646 BTC [03:29]
mircea_popescu how's that ? [03:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051887 = 1.2168 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2134 @ 0.00051884 = 1.1072 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00051881 = 2.2309 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0005188 = 6.926 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0005186 = 6.7937 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051829 = 7.9039 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00051782 = 3.573 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00051755 = 0.9316 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00051753 = 17.596 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00051734 = 19.8659 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3499 @ 0.00051699 = 1.8089 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27826 @ 0.00051652 = 14.3727 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0005164 = 8.0042 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00051626 = 11.9514 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00051624 = 5.627 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00051594 = 5.4948 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45912 @ 0.00051567 = 23.6754 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13938 @ 0.00051553 = 7.1855 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25215 @ 0.00051553 = 12.9991 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00051552 = 16.342 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00051546 = 7.1907 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051543 = 1.1339 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00051542 = 9.9476 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0005153 = 6.2052 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00051528 = 8.5279 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00051527 = 3.4781 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00051509 = 5.563 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27720 @ 0.00051486 = 14.2719 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00051448 = 7.2542 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00051427 = 10.1054 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00051425 = 14.6047 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051416 = 15.6305 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00051408 = 3.5986 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00051401 = 9.9718 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00051401 = 11.925 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00051399 = 5.2427 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00051389 = 10.175 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00051369 = 3.8527 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15789 @ 0.00051365 = 8.11 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10995 @ 0.00051351 = 5.646 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00051349 = 13.7102 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00051333 = 11.6013 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051317 = 13.9582 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7085 @ 0.00051307 = 3.6351 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12332 @ 0.00051297 = 6.3259 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00051294 = 13.6955 BTC [-] [03:31]
mircea_popescu eee [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00051288 = 9.8217 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2618 @ 0.00051287 = 1.3427 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15932 @ 0.00051287 = 8.171 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00051267 = 4.4602 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12163 @ 0.00051259 = 6.2346 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052077 = 1.2212 BTC [+] [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00052078 = 5.0021 BTC [+] [03:37]
smickles so mircea_popescu, the mpoe bot would've made about 2kbtc if not for the cost of borrowing btc? [03:38]
smickles funny, it feels like the mpbor holders lost btc, somehow, b/c the charged too high of interest [03:39]
smickles but they only lost some principal, and received a 9.9% interest payment, right? [03:41]
smickles or do i need to reread the terms [03:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051261 = 1.2021 BTC [-] [03:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7937 @ 0.00051259 = 4.0684 BTC [-] [03:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3173 @ 0.00051247 = 1.6261 BTC [-] [03:43]
mircea_popescu they lost ~4.x% on principal and made 9.9% cash upfront [03:44]
mircea_popescu it worked sort of like a miner bond, this month, except they didn't lose 10% on capital and made 3% in dividends [03:44]
mircea_popescu but the other way around [03:45]
mircea_popescu of course not that many miner bonds that pay 2k btc a month either, so... yeah. [03:46]
smickles heh, so they are eating into their own principal a bit. that's a little humorous [03:51]
mircea_popescu i think it's actually quite a good safeguard [03:56]
mircea_popescu you can deposit a bond and go climb the hymalaya, knowing that if mpoe starts to underperform you get your bond sent back little by little. [03:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051956 = 1.2184 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9581 @ 0.00051987 = 4.9809 BTC [+] [03:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 719 @ 0.00051987 = 0.3738 BTC [+] [04:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10381 @ 0.00052 = 5.3981 BTC [+] [04:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051399 = 1.2053 BTC [-] [04:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26977 @ 0.00051399 = 13.8659 BTC [-] [04:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9284 @ 0.00051385 = 4.7706 BTC [-] [04:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051797 = 4.4027 BTC [+] [04:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051418 = 1.2058 BTC [-] [04:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00051385 = 3.0882 BTC [-] [04:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00051385 = 1.596 BTC [-] [04:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00051247 = 7.4052 BTC [-] [04:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19972 @ 0.00051247 = 10.2351 BTC [-] [04:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00051248 = 1.0962 BTC [+] [04:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.00051248 = 4.0286 BTC [+] [04:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6605 @ 0.00051247 = 3.3849 BTC [-] [04:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6209 @ 0.00051228 = 3.1807 BTC [-] [04:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3575 @ 0.00051221 = 1.8312 BTC [-] [04:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00051222 = 1.6903 BTC [+] [04:35]
smickles dammit mircea_popescu you know what this means? [04:35]
mircea_popescu ? [04:35]
smickles remember when I said that I ought to put some btc towards the mpbor @ 25%? [04:36]
smickles I would've gotten it this month, no? [04:36]
mircea_popescu yup [04:36]
mircea_popescu pushed it to 25% lmao [04:36]
smickles :| [04:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051967 = 1.2186 BTC [+] [04:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8778 @ 0.00052 = 4.5646 BTC [+] [04:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31739 @ 0.00052078 = 16.529 BTC [+] [04:37]
smickles mircea_popescu: ok, so for next time: I need to remember to put in a bid and lay down the btc before the end of month turnover [04:39]
mircea_popescu they only count for full months. [04:39]
mircea_popescu you have 48 hours to get in the current one. [04:39]
smickles hmm [04:40]
smickles i had forgotten about the grace period [04:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051226 = 1.2012 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00051222 = 3.4319 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6005 @ 0.00051221 = 3.0758 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052076 = 1.2212 BTC [+] [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9654 @ 0.00052078 = 5.0276 BTC [+] [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00052282 = 4.8366 BTC [+] [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052265 = 1.2256 BTC [-] [04:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3264 @ 0.00052282 = 1.7065 BTC [+] [04:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052393 = 1.2286 BTC [+] [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10785 @ 0.0005236 = 5.647 BTC [-] [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8070 @ 0.00052169 = 4.21 BTC [-] [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5882 @ 0.00339999 = 19.9987 BTC [+] [05:21]
Ukto finally homer [05:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052605 = 1.2336 BTC [+] [05:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12234 @ 0.00052615 = 6.4369 BTC [+] [05:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00052879 = 4.4947 BTC [+] [05:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00052908 = 2.392 BTC [+] [05:27]
smickles homer? [05:28]
Ukto took the eldest out to his fridya night thing [05:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052176 = 1.2235 BTC [-] [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12279 @ 0.00052169 = 6.4058 BTC [-] [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0005159 = 2.3731 BTC [-] [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00051548 = 8.493 BTC [-] [05:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051555 = 1.209 BTC [+] [05:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00051548 = 3.5336 BTC [-] [05:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052795 = 1.238 BTC [+] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00052824 = 5.1239 BTC [+] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3855 @ 0.00052908 = 2.0396 BTC [+] [05:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051549 = 1.2088 BTC [-] [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00051548 = 4.0305 BTC [-] [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00051545 = 2.0618 BTC [-] [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17436 @ 0.0005149 = 8.9778 BTC [-] [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00336802 = 5.052 BTC [-] [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00333051 = 8.6593 BTC [-] [06:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052822 = 2.4298 BTC [+] [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2022 @ 0.00052767 = 1.0669 BTC [-] [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052884 = 1.2401 BTC [+] [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28074 @ 0.00052908 = 14.8534 BTC [+] [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00052929 = 13.8145 BTC [+] [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1093 @ 0.00052949 = 0.5787 BTC [+] [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005279 = 1.2379 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5305 @ 0.00052767 = 2.7993 BTC [-] [06:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00052873 = 3.6218 BTC [+] [06:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005289 = 1.6396 BTC [+] [06:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00052859 = 7.2945 BTC [-] [06:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00052859 = 9.9375 BTC [-] [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5273 @ 0.00052767 = 2.7824 BTC [-] [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5327 @ 0.00052317 = 2.7869 BTC [-] [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052859 = 1.2395 BTC [+] [07:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15429 @ 0.00052867 = 8.1568 BTC [+] [07:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2226 @ 0.0005289 = 1.1773 BTC [+] [07:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052321 = 1.2269 BTC [-] [07:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18155 @ 0.00052317 = 9.4982 BTC [-] [07:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052879 = 1.24 BTC [+] [07:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13074 @ 0.0005289 = 6.9148 BTC [+] [07:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281 @ 0.00052949 = 0.1488 BTC [+] [07:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052342 = 1.2274 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7918 @ 0.00052317 = 4.1425 BTC [-] [07:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00052141 = 8.8118 BTC [-] [07:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00051641 = 2.5821 BTC [-] [07:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00051641 = 8.1335 BTC [-] [07:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00051751 = 8.3759 BTC [+] [07:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052291 = 1.2262 BTC [+] [08:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00052308 = 1.4944 BTC [+] [08:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12198 @ 0.00052928 = 6.4562 BTC [+] [08:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052188 = 1.2238 BTC [-] [08:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1855 @ 0.00052153 = 0.9674 BTC [-] [08:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00052153 = 1.1849 BTC [-] [08:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00052035 = 3.0066 BTC [-] [08:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052258 = 1.2255 BTC [-] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20673 @ 0.00052272 = 10.8062 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00052348 = 9.4488 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5382 @ 0.00052419 = 2.8212 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21772 @ 0.00052419 = 11.4127 BTC [+] [19:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1346 @ 0.00052419 = 0.7056 BTC [+] [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00052422 = 2.5949 BTC [+] [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 654 @ 0.00052509 = 0.3434 BTC [+] [19:12]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [19:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48002, Best ask: 12.48003, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.48002, 24 hour volume: 16081.47869182, 24 hour low: 12.46000, 24 hour high: 12.68778, 24 hour vwap: 12.57870 [19:13]
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asa1024 lol EB [19:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1839 @ 0.00330905 = 6.0853 BTC [+] [20:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 911 @ 0.00334688 = 3.049 BTC [+] [20:22]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/dragons-tale-a-bitcoin-linux-mmorpg/ [23:00]
mircea_popescu i made 150 btc today with that, suffer. [23:01]
mircea_popescu cry. [23:01]
Diablo-D3 did someone say bitcoin linux mmorpg? [23:03]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: I should make some sort of bitcoin powered game [23:04]
mircea_popescu i did yeah [23:04]
mircea_popescu and that may be a good idea Diablo-D3. [23:04]
Diablo-D3 be like [23:04]
Diablo-D3 GIANT FUCKING SPACE SHIPS [23:04]
Diablo-D3 IN SPACE [23:04]
Diablo-D3 and only a tiny subset of them penis shaped. [23:04]
* Diablo-D3 stares at nasa [23:04]
Diablo-D3 >galonsized herbivore variant [23:05]
Diablo-D3 but I love giant tits :< [23:06]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: so what Ill have to do is [23:06]
Diablo-D3 finish seaking [23:06]
Diablo-D3 that language of mine that focuses on large scale data processing [23:06]
mircea_popescu or that. [23:07]
Diablo-D3 well, for example [23:08]
Diablo-D3 look at minecraft [23:08]
Diablo-D3 its in java [23:08]
Diablo-D3 it was written by someone who didnt know how to wring every last bit of performance from java [23:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00052627 = 7.3062 BTC [+] [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3396 @ 0.00052643 = 1.7878 BTC [+] [23:09]
Diablo-D3 arguably, even if it was written by me, it may still be a fucking pig [23:09]
Diablo-D3 because you just cant win there [23:09]
Diablo-D3 now, lets say he wrote it with seaking [23:09]
Diablo-D3 or really, lets say I wrote it with seaking because notch is a fucktard when it comes to coding [23:10]
Diablo-D3 it would scale across as many machines as you could feed it [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 439 @ 0.00334688 = 1.4693 BTC [+] [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 461 @ 0.00337971 = 1.558 BTC [+] [23:10]
mircea_popescu so go ahead. [23:13]
mircea_popescu btc games is certainly a good line to be in. [23:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 507 @ 0.00052404 = 0.2657 BTC [-] [23:13]
Diablo-D3 seriously like [23:13]
Diablo-D3 you know those extra sexy top500 things they keep doing like porno photo spreads of? [23:13]
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Diablo-D3 seaking would eat those for breakfast and have room for more [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1439 @ 0.00337971 = 4.8634 BTC [+] [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00339999 = 3.2266 BTC [+] [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-] [23:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00339999 = 7.14 BTC [+] [23:27]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.59668103 = 596.681 BTC [-] [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-] [23:31]
jurov Diablo-D3, there's some theory around that full bitcoin client itself will need to be parallelized to be able to keep with tx volume [23:31]
Diablo-D3 jurov: probably not [23:32]
Diablo-D3 not the way that I was discussing above [23:32]
Diablo-D3 you could pretty much do what I already do with diablominer [23:32]
Diablo-D3 infact, gpus would be massive overkill [23:32]
pigeons diablominer is the new python [23:32]
Diablo-D3 lets say you had the tx volume of the entire planet [23:32]
Diablo-D3 thats what we do in a year in an hour. [23:33]
Diablo-D3 or hell, in a minute [23:33]
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Diablo-D3 several billion tx a day [23:33]
Diablo-D3 a 7970 would be overkill for the math part. [23:33]
Diablo-D3 you could process and verify the entire day's chain in a few minutes if you parallelized it as much as possible on a 7970 [23:33]
jurov yes? then someone should do that... the initial blockchain sync is painful and it's supposedly cpu bound [23:35]
Diablo-D3 jurov: no [23:35]
Diablo-D3 its IO bound [23:35]
Diablo-D3 because bdb is fucking retarded and not meant to handle 2gb of data [23:35]
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Diablo-D3 thats already been fixed, it just hasnt shipped yet [23:36]
Diablo-D3 0.8 will ship with leveldb (google's kv store thats basically as fast as kyoto cabinet) [23:36]
Diablo-D3 (seriously, kv stores just arent getting any faster) [23:37]
Diablo-D3 if you have unlimited network and disk IO [23:37]
Diablo-D3 0.8 will sync the chain in like 3 hours [23:37]
jurov oh okay, i mixed it up... [23:37]
Diablo-D3 I think sipa or gmaxwell said they can load an already existing dbd chain into leveldb in 15 minutes [23:38]
Diablo-D3 jurov: now [23:38]
Diablo-D3 once we have that fixed [23:38]
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Diablo-D3 where disk io is no longer a problem because bdb is fucktarded [23:39]
Diablo-D3 cpu is next [23:39]
Diablo-D3 but, as I said, we simply dont generate enough tx to matter [23:39]
Diablo-D3 unless you have bitcoind on a rpi or something stupid like that, its not an issue [23:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 775 @ 0.00052652 = 0.4081 BTC [+] [23:40]
Diablo-D3 now, if you do, you're still somewhat fucked [23:41]
Diablo-D3 theres no opencl for the gpu that rpis have [23:41]
jurov i'm actually thinking to procure some lean server for that purpose, already ruled rpi out cause of tight memory [23:42]
Diablo-D3 yeah, like [23:42]
kakobrekla man, an engineer would do a better pr job than josh does [23:42]
Diablo-D3 I wouldnt use rpi now because I use p2pool [23:42]
Diablo-D3 and that just isnt happening [23:42]
jurov next on list is via nano, with their sha256 instruction support [23:42]
Diablo-D3 jurov: nope [23:43]
Diablo-D3 isnt worth it [23:43]
jurov but maybe ecdsa is bigger problem... [23:43]
Diablo-D3 vias do about 1mhash/sec [23:43]
Diablo-D3 doing it on the x86 core itself you get more than that. [23:43]
jurov you say atom then? [23:43]
Diablo-D3 neither [23:44]
Diablo-D3 I'd go with an amd fusion [23:44]
Diablo-D3 the newest ones with the GCN GPU [23:44]
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jurov i'm a bit confused bitcoind has opencl support... or the fusion has such a good x86 computation power? [23:46]
Diablo-D3 bitcoind in the future will have opencl support [23:47]
Diablo-D3 fusions are good cheap cpus. [23:48]
Diablo-D3 bitcoind rapes memory bandwidth [23:48]
Diablo-D3 atoms and nanos dont have it [23:48]
Diablo-D3 previous gen fusions use dual channel ddr3-1333, new ones I think are 1600 or 1866 [23:48]
Diablo-D3 and its not like they use a lot of power [23:48]
Diablo-D3 they dont [23:48]
Diablo-D3 and with two ddr3 slots, you can throw 8gb of memory in [23:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10039 @ 0.00052323 = 5.2527 BTC [-] [23:49]
jurov good to know [23:49]
Diablo-D3 that means caching the entire chain and having another 6gb free. [23:50]
Diablo-D3 actually sorry [23:50]
Diablo-D3 you can throw 16gb in [23:50]
Diablo-D3 it just gets expensive putting that much in [23:50]
Diablo-D3 although the next box Im building Im putting 32 in, so heh [23:50]
Diablo-D3 jurov: basically, bitcoind will have what it needs by the time we need it [23:51]
Diablo-D3 so if it comes to the point we need to parallel verify incoming tx on gpus, we will [23:51]
Diablo-D3 that'll be the day where every tx in the world is done using bitcoin. [23:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00052652 = 6.0439 BTC [+] [23:51]
jurov okay. just that i was talking with someone who did a thesis on that [23:53]
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jurov and he was convinced that network speed will be the first bottleneck [23:53]
jurov have to wait till he finishes it to see the exact reasoning [23:54]
jurov so from there i derived maybe it will be necessary to loadbalance the processing, like high intensity HTTP is done now [23:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14208 @ 0.00052732 = 7.4922 BTC [+] [23:55]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-] [23:56]
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jurov ^^^ should have bought some bonds.. but dunno what happens to btcusd now [23:57]
mircea_popescu grace period is 48 hours, you still got a little time. [23:58]
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