The nigger homeowners and other niggers
As you possibly imagine, the previous article on the problem of too much money has created a lot of debate. All this debate had little to do with the article's main topic, capital misallocation and its unavoidability under a fiat money system. This honestly does not surprise me, it being a complex topic that will need more sinking in and thinking about before much is to be said in retort. The debate went instead to the use of the term "nigger" in the expression "nigger homeowners".
And now for something completely different :
Her : Anyway, so. Very nice illustration of the problem. I think it's great.
Me : >DHer : And I totally understand the complainers' point of view. I mostly understand yours, however.
Me : I totally don't, the problem actually are nigger homeowners.Her : It's not just "charged". It's...if you must champion this, it's going to overshadow any other thing you do. MPEx will be in shadow. Your writing will be in shadow. All of it, because that word is THAT big of a deal.
Me : Only for idiots. Nobody counts what niggers think, and nobody counts what idiots think. This is like saying "you know... in Japan all they'll notice is how tall people are in this sketch". Um... yaok.
Her : It's not a matter of whether your readers are rich or poor, American or otherwise. You are not in a small percentage. You are alone.
Me : Still makes no difference. Those people do not matter. This also means they can be as many as they want. Adding more people to stupidity doth not buy it any respectability.Her : I don't think you're grasping what I'm saying.
Me : So try again.Her : Why would you run a stock exchange or write articles in this world? You are basically hoisting the Nazi flag and insisting people look beyond it to take you seriously, because it's just a flag. And you're not doing it once. You're doing it nearly every time you publish an article.
Me : Articles I write because I have something to say. An exchange I run because I need one.Her : Actually, maybe I don't understand your point of view after all.
Me : Maybe you don't.Her : "Nobody counts what niggers think, and nobody counts what idiots think." < what is that?
Me : Statements of fact.Her : I mean, are you using the word to prove that it's just a word and people should get over it, or are you actually prejudiced against black people and you've adopted that word to describe them unilaterally? Sometimes I think I can tell it's the former. When you say things like that, though, I'm not sure.
Me : Looky. Black people are something like half a billion individuals now living, and many trillions already deceased. It's a fenotype resulting from the interplay of certain genes.Her : Right.
Me : I do not believe that there's a genetic basis for merit, in humans, unless you mean very specifically defined merit, such as "can run longer" (blacks can), "can swim better" (blacks can't), "can take sun" (blacks can) etc.Her : Right, agreed.
Me : It is unfortunate but it is also true that through most of the history of the people with this fenotype, their methods of social organisation failed, their civilisational output was nil and their cultural output a shade above that (but not actually nil, I was just yesterday gleeing in delight over reading on the entire Jamaican sincretism of xtianity, with the loas etc). It is improper to link this ample historical failure to any individual of the recognisable fenotype. It is arguably improper to even discuss the identity of an individual as a given in these terms. It's my belief that the identification is mostly a cultural process. One's not born black. One becomes black, through interaction. Mostly with their black parents, of course, but nevertheless, kids not being parented anymore by their parents (but the tv, records, etc) results in plenty of white skinned black people. It is certainly NOT improper to link the historical failure of the fenotype to the fenotype. So, any discussion of black people can not avoid the fact that they sucked. This is a fact. It is their own, proper but impersonal responsibility. It is on their head. Just like the British can be proud for having created an empire, the black can be ashamed for having failed to do anything other than sell each other as slaves. This cultural export of theirs to the civilised world finally failed, after causing no end of trouble to everyone, including a major civil war. Now, any random Brit today has scarce merit or dismerit in the historical British Empire, and just so any black person today has scarcely any merit in the...Her : So basically, if I have this right, what you're saying is that when you use the term nigger you're referring in fact to people of any given actual fenotype who happen to have adopted the various failures you associate with black people in terms of cultural, civilizational, and social organizational history.
Me : Which is indeed what I do. Nigger homeowners in that article does not mean "black people", such as a successful lawyer. It does mean NIGGER people, such as a pureblood Irish protestant dood who has not the ability to manage a fucking mortgage.Her : Do you actually not grasp that this does not come through at all? Or do you just not care?
Me : I just do not care.Her : I mean seriously... how is someone supposed to know this?
Me : It is every reader's job to either get the words right or seek help.Her : Without asking you as I do?
Me : So ask me, rather than fucking TELL ME!Her : But how would someone reasonably....
Me : How is it alright to start TELLING ME because YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND.Her : This doesn't seem like a complicated hoop to you? I mean, for me, I get it. A hoop for me. But for the general fucking public? What chance do they stand?
Me : Who.Cares.Her : Well, I guess I do ;/
Me : Why ? This is what elitism means. I frankly, honestly and no matter how profoundly do not care. Not one wit.Her : Well... I care about truth.
Me : Hey, me too.Her : There's a lot of it on your blog. Why you'd so nicely explain something like the problem of too much money and then leave everyone in the dark about this term kinda baffles. But hey, it's your content, I'm not going to should.
Me : I am actually thinking of publishing this dialogue. Seems pretty instructive, neh ?Her : Yes. The idea that black people have failed as you've described could use some fleshing or substantiation though. I mean failed compared to what, who is "successful"?
Me : EXACTLY! Nobody is fucking successful for fuck's sake. The history of mankind is the history of our failures. They have to be noted, examined in the harshest light and discussed. It's the fucking point. And they are OUR failures. Not somebody else's. Not something "the blue boogyman" made us do or did to us.Her : Well then discuss it! Why just use the (by now term of art for people who do not share your thoughts on this AT ALL but instead have historically been all zomg let's kill and humiliate black people because we're mystically better than them) term? This point, which is actually interesting, is going to waste.
Me : Yes, yes, I'm publishing this brb.
So there you have it. And now back to your regularly scheduled righteous indignation over the unknown, presumed, squarely misunderstood, not-quite-understood and all the rest of that good stuff that makes y'all so much better than people who say "nigger". Ya know ?
Monday, 26 November 2012
What I find funny is that many people do understand the distinction you had to flesh out. The nigger word has been overused on 4chan and other bastions of internet culture, and it is a long time since it came to mean more than just a negro person. Just like faggot means something different than gay.
Monday, 26 November 2012
There's a thin but vanishing sliver of people old enough to have been mentally disturbed by the "social advances" of the 80s but too old to comprehend the revolution of social media in the 00s. As such...
Monday, 26 November 2012
Such as 'jewed' or 'jewing' do not necessarely imply the action was carried by an actual jew but by someone who resembles.. fuck, last century till nein nein nein?
Calling some white trash a nigger is a problem, mostly because nigger = black and they tend to screw pretty much stuff, like english language, getting a job, gun laws, etc etc. So of course the best thing we can do is to supress media and delegate laws or make lots of community colleges of nurses and now dey has education tho <3.
I suppose the best you can do is just to call it stupid. Although it's funny how anti/racial flames screw up arguments and make excellent propaganda, like for politics.
Monday, 26 November 2012
And now for something completely different
Monday, 26 November 2012
@Vexare Can not tell if unintentional parody or just serious.
@anon Lolz.
Tuesday, 27 November 2012
I'm reminded of this somehow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8
Tuesday, 27 November 2012
Yeee-ah!
Tuesday, 27 November 2012
Good going!
Your definition of the word 'nigger' is exactly what I grew up with. I in fact had a black Nanny that used it a lot to describe people of all colors that behaved badly.
Tuesday, 27 November 2012
And I thought 4chan invented something. A well...
Wednesday, 28 November 2012
Not sure if you can't see intentional or really just a troll.
Maybe the confusion arises from linguistics: the term for black was actually 'negro', of 'negroid' race, of nigger behavior; so as we have romanian tigan which declines into tiganie, gypsy-like behavior, as in stereotype gypsy. Which makes more sense?
The highest, probably unintentional because geography, distinction was made by frenchmen.. gitan boheme, although it's intention is to express sort of an positive behavior, like in 'fuck the system'.
Wednesday, 24 April 2013
Why not use another word with out racist connotations then to denote lazy, stupid behavior? You're just a smug troll looking for a reaction OR you are more likely a ultra-racist dirtbag trying to justify your beliefs.
Wednesday, 24 April 2013
Right. Because people who don't give a shit about whatever preoccupies you can't possibly exist. Everybody loves Ray.
Wednesday, 24 April 2013
Chief Roy of da Ppl States doesn't sound too bad.
Thursday, 23 October 2014
Saying Africans sold each other into slavery is no more relevant than saying Europeans did the same for thousands of years, or fought wars amongst themselves, etc.
Implying displaced Africans consciously chose their behavior among a set of options in a new cultural atmosphere is similarly naive and ignorant of historical and environmental realities, irrespective of the possibility of such by their descendants.
Do you even _Guns, Germs, and Steel_?
Thursday, 23 October 2014
And all this because GDV says so ? Or simply because logic.
(No idea what that Germs&Steel thing is, but I imagine some sort of US-style "book".)
Thursday, 23 October 2014
GDV and who created this Obola virus that africa seeks to inflict on the pale persons of Earth?