Forum logs for 31 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55328 @ 0.00050771 = 28.0906 BTC [+] {2}	[00:05]
danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/TempleOS << hacked?	[00:15]
assbot	Terry A. Davis (@TempleOS) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OyqCEd )	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	Now that is absolutely impossible to tell.	[00:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29044 @ 0.00050041 = 14.5339 BTC [-] {2}	[00:21]
danielpbarron	from the Isaac Newton sin list >> 16. Having uncleane thoughts words and actions and dreamese	[00:22]
trinque	I celebrate my unclean dreams as gifts from the subconscious.	[00:26]
mats	o_O	[00:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45377 @ 0.00050041 = 22.7071 BTC [-]	[00:27]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Those are called "freelapses"	[00:28]
asciilifeform	nah reads like good ol' terry davis	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	^	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Wb2/CIA.html	[00:38]
assbot	The Temple Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1OyrybH )	[00:38]
thestringpuller	!gettrust evoorhees	[00:44]
assbot	Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up nickeeem	[01:00]
-assbot-	You voiced nickeeem for 30 minutes.	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	Can Drag be for kids? The Commedia Rapunzel Thinks So << this from the same people throwing a fit about 9 yo girls in make-up / leotards / whatnot.	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	Noah News Update: Interstate 55 is now on the bottom side of the Meremac river	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Don't you know. In WaPo land only 9 year old boys get makeup.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00049988 = 45.4391 BTC [-] {2}	[01:19]
BingoBoingo	http://fossforce.com/2015/12/getting-libreoffice-write-thing/#comment-16433	[01:20]
assbot	Getting LibreOffice to Do the Write Thing \| FOSS Force ... ( http://bit.ly/1IFaWN9 )	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/ssuma1.html << motherfucker are the chinese tedious.	[01:21]
assbot	Chinese Cultural Studies: Sima Qian Ssuma Ch'ien: Two Biographies, from The Records	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8551885&cid=51210679	[01:24]
assbot	Debian Founder Ian Murdock Has Died - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IFbkeP )	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	"I'm a bad person, but I've never bullied anyone to suicide for using the N-word. This is the first real-life lynching by the progressive liberal movement, and you might as well own it."	[01:25]
*	mircea_popescu orders derpy server to create 4096b rsa key	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	server finishes the process in... 0.5 seconds.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	clearly openssh is ftw.	[01:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48903 @ 0.00049923 = 24.4138 BTC [-] {2}	[01:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i dont think even my rng gives 4096*typical-miller-rabin-retries bits of entropy in 0.5s	[01:38]
asciilifeform	but i hear /dev/zero is nice & fast.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly. it'd seem OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips does not actually utilize entropy to generate keys.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	uses mebbe 32 bits of it and then prng.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	this IS fips.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	says right on the motherfuckin box	[01:40]
asciilifeform	enj0y	[01:41]
*	asciilifeform back to bed	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm not the one that puts this shit on their boxes o.O	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i'm just paying for teh professional services.	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68070 @ 0.00049808 = 33.9043 BTC [-] {3}	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	yum upgrade openssh	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	No Packages marked for Update	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	fucking logical. because why the fuck would something work.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	(ie, rhel "backports" "fixes" so that you CAN'T actually get the latest version. or whatever, 5.3 bs is their idea of a latest version in this environment)	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	rpm -qa --last\|grep "ssh"	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	openssh-server-5.3p1-112.el6_7.x86_64 Sat 19 Dec 2015 06:29:07 PM UTC	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	openssh-clients-5.3p1-112.el6_7.x86_64 Sat 19 Dec 2015 06:29:06 PM UTC	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	openssh-5.3p1-112.el6_7.x86_64 Sat 19 Dec 2015 06:28:22 PM UTC	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	libssh2-1.4.2-1.el6_6.1.x86_64 Sat 19 Dec 2015 06:28:16 PM UTC	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	fucking useless bs.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	not that i'd use key material there generated for any purpose. BUT it's worth pointing out yet another way computers a) don't work and b) can't be fixed.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	in other news,	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	meh nm.	[02:00]
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BingoBoingo	that's a change	[02:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153300 @ 0.00049958 = 76.5856 BTC [+] {6}	[02:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94950 @ 0.00049569 = 47.0658 BTC [-] {5}	[02:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00050754 = 13.8305 BTC [+] {2}	[02:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81322 @ 0.00049502 = 40.256 BTC [-] {5}	[03:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18628 @ 0.00049469 = 9.2151 BTC [-]	[03:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24722 @ 0.00049468 = 12.2295 BTC [-] {3}	[03:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62828 @ 0.00049441 = 31.0628 BTC [-]	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00049947 = 12.1621 BTC [+]	[03:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00049441 = 2.917 BTC [-]	[04:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up STRML	[04:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00049421 = 46.3322 BTC [-] {4}	[04:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66089 @ 0.00049413 = 32.6566 BTC [-]	[04:37]
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BingoBoingo	!up copypaste	[04:53]
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copypaste	http://qntra.net/2015/12/paxful-gets-desperate/ lulz	[04:58]
assbot	Paxful Gets Desperate, Priced Out Of Bitcoin \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtRn6I )	[04:58]
copypaste	I never quite understood the purpose of this "company"; founded in USA yet ignoring USG rules to transfer quantities of $1 using Bitcoin	[04:59]
copypaste	I thought for sure this "company" was only founded to capitalize off some Backpage headlines	[04:59]
copypaste	I didn't think its relevance would continue until now	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	It's only relevant now because its flavor of stupid got loud.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	But yeah. It likely can't live in its niche at any price.	[05:01]
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copypaste	Indeed; it reminds me of BitInstant, and we all knew how that went	[05:02]
copypaste	It's incredible how foolish these people are, unable to learn from history, and founding their Bitcoin "businesses" in USG territory	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	Right. Charlie really hung on his bong for that one.	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	The serious problem is their insistence on touching USG money	[05:03]
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copypaste	Indeed, and incorporating in the US, and further making it everyone else's problem that they exist in such poverty that the ability to transfer funds one satoshi at a time is a make-or-break for the business	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	Incorporation seems to be the big dose of poison there.	[05:05]
copypaste	At least Charlie laundered millions of dollars, they'll be going to jail over 50 cups of coffee and some $1 prostitution ads	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	To be fair charlie also single dollars at a time too. He even for a while did the fucking SMS deal that bills a phone company.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	Blockchain.info integrated that one from bitinstant at one point	[05:07]
copypaste	lol	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	How the fuck do you not attract all of the attention doing that.	[05:07]
copypaste	You have to be a complete fool to think that the regime with the most strict "money laundering" laws would allow that to continue for any amount of time	[05:08]
copypaste	I had no idea they were using that SNS system	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	At the point you partner up to an SMS payment network you're asking for the telecom regulators to plumb your butt on top of everyone else	[05:08]
copypaste	Indeed, and most definitely they fradualently applied for the SMS payment network	[05:09]
copypaste	Those things are usually constrained to ring tones and so on	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Well, these are the things you learn having visited the bitinstant website in August 2012	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	yeah	[05:09]
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BingoBoingo	brb	[05:11]
copypaste	"a. Important: Do not mention bitcoin to the teller as banks are reluctant to work with bitcoin and may deny the deposit with no reason why.	[05:11]
copypaste	Surely, this will go well for everyone involved.	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	That actually used to be SOP among -otc traders	[05:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30020 @ 0.00049406 = 14.8317 BTC [-] {2}	[05:23]
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copypaste	BingoBoingo: yes, because -otc has a WoT. Paxful has empty promises and a GUI.	[05:25]
BingoBoingo	Well, apparently didn't always work out for everybody	[05:25]
copypaste	I'm sure Bitcoin-averse bank branches will soon catch on to the computer nerds walking in and all depositing cash to the same account, no?	[05:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124500 @ 0.00049687 = 61.8603 BTC [+] {3}	[05:27]
copypaste	And if one lets it slip what of the others ?	[05:27]
copypaste	A business based on lying to your partners is sure to fail; just a WoT suspends the failure by not letting any moron join in on the fun of transacting	[05:27]
*	justanotheruser is now known as gentoognuhurd	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	pretty muh	[05:29]
*	BingoBoingo still astounded that after playing music on computers for 11 years he still only managed to find cmus in 2015	[05:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65750 @ 0.00049385 = 32.4706 BTC [-] {3}	[05:47]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell mod6 So far President Hussein Bahamas claims to not have plans to bomb Missouri levees to save Cairo crack houses, though he "might have to" https://archive.is/o0wyJ	[05:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:48]
assbot	Corps of Engineers not planning on opening Missouri floodway : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTGFcp )	[05:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00049464 = 14.9381 BTC [+]	[06:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7764 @ 0.00049377 = 3.8336 BTC [-]	[06:21]
BingoBoingo	!up Quent	[06:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145300 @ 0.00049363 = 71.7244 BTC [-] {3}	[06:27]
Quent	thanks	[06:28]
Quent	you guys in favour of blocksize increase now in the Bitcoin Unlimited style?	[06:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00049358 = 35.3897 BTC [-]	[06:30]
Quent	hmm, guess america is asleep huh so should prob come back in the evening	[06:30]
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BingoBoingo	Still in favor of no hard forks ever	[06:31]
BingoBoingo	!up ith	[06:31]
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ith	So guys. I know you've been playing tricks on me. Care to tell me why all the receipts I get are saying 2015, and my computer clock says 2015, when it's actually 2017????!!!	[06:32]
ith	Thank you.	[06:32]
punkman	it's actualy 1832	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	Sorry, you have a >2LSD error code ith	[06:33]
ith	No, it is not. Please tell me the truth	[06:33]
Quent	BingoBoingo, aren't softforks hardforks?	[06:33]
ith	You know that I am not lying	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	Quent: Not at all	[06:33]
ith	It IS 2017. Please explain what you are doing to me	[06:33]
Quent	as in, any change by a softfork effectively hardforks older clients	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	Quent: They really don't. The test is whether or not node sealed in concrete without admin port needs chiseled out or not	[06:34]
Quent	for example, BingoBoingo, you can softfork bip101 or whatever bip... you can soft fork anything really	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	You really can't soft fork BIP 101	[06:34]
Quent	and that's according to gmaxwell...	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	Block gets rejected	[06:34]
ith	GIVE ME AN ANSWER	[06:35]
ith	It is important!	[06:35]
Quent	I quote gmaxwell "anything can be implemented by a softfork"	[06:35]
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Quent	you just make it super complex to jump through a lot of hoops...	[06:35]
ith	And you gave me the same >2LSD code answer last year. Please explain yourself	[06:35]
Quent	but, conceptually as well, if an older node considers the new rules to be just noise the older node is effectively forked off...	[06:36]
punkman	ith, you are on a time soft-fork, you need to find way back to 1832	[06:36]
BingoBoingo	Quent: Oh no. The new stuff is the noise	[06:36]
ith	And I'm sure you will give the same answer again /next/ year about >2LSD	[06:36]
ith	punkman: you aren't making any sense	[06:36]
Quent	yes, but the network is accepting the new stuff, therefore the network has forked you off	[06:36]
Quent	softforking seems to me to simply be a deceptive way for miners to rule and the network have no say...	[06:37]
ith	"time soft-fork, 1832"	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	But because the "network" accepts new stuff doesn't mean I have to	[06:37]
Quent	like with SW, you can not upgrade all you want, but if everyone else does, and especially if the miners do, then you are forked off if not upgraded	[06:37]
ith	Where is the Japanese guy?	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	Quent: Nah, the special segwit transactions are noise until proven otherwise	[06:38]
Quent	BingoBoingo, yes, but it is just you who is not accepting it and that makes no difference whatever to yourself or the network	[06:38]
ith	mircea_popescu: why don't you help me out with this	[06:38]
BingoBoingo	!down Quent	[06:39]
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BingoBoingo	!down ith	[06:39]
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punkman	ith, there are many forks, some people are at year 1437, you claim to be in 2017, but I'm telling ya 1832 is where it's at	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[06:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.28, vol: 6532.86020264 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 422.245, vol: 7059.99027 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 421.08, vol: 23373.03992812 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.09 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.25098, vol: 43890.20740000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 419.36001, vol: 71.99322948 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 432.669599989, vol: 33.15629168 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[06:46]
gribble	423.54280074	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00049358 = 20.5329 BTC [-]	[06:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00049358 = 18.4352 BTC [-]	[07:02]
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BingoBoingo	!up ith	[07:04]
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BingoBoingo	ith: Current interest rate is 33.8% monthly	[07:05]
ith	When did it get raised up from 0.25%? (whatever bond interest rate that is, which was previously 0%)	[07:05]
ith	And isn't the 0.25% yearly? What happened to get it switched to monthly?	[07:06]
ith	My news is two years out of date :	[07:06]
ith	or delayed two years, rather	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	rectal squeeze	[07:07]
ith	What's going on with the economy in the US? and who is the current US president?	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	no to both	[07:08]
ith	So you're not going to fill me in	[07:09]
ith	You're just going to keep me locked up, here?	[07:09]
BingoBoingo	There's no economy or president	[07:09]
ith	I see. Totally chaos down there? Civil war? Anarachy?	[07:10]
ith	Total*	[07:10]
ith	Anarchy* lol	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	yes	[07:10]
ith	How did that start?	[07:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99200 @ 0.00049464 = 49.0683 BTC [+]	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	unknown	[07:11]
ith	Well if there's no president, how are things working in the United States? What's life like for a person down there?	[07:11]
ith	No president, no economy. That can't be a good time	[07:12]
BingoBoingo	they aren't, not too bad actually	[07:12]
ith	Hmm	[07:12]
ith	How did the president go down, or fail to get elected / come into office?	[07:13]
BingoBoingo	brb, gotta chase a womp out of the garden	[07:13]
ith	lol	[07:13]
ith	But what happened to get rid of the president, though? And which president was -- what -- booted out?	[07:14]
ith	or impeached?	[07:14]
ith	Trump seemed to be a half decent contender. Did he actually get elected?	[07:19]
ith	People are screwing with me from down stairs right now -- you know that right? -- when you just decided to run off out to the garden...	[07:22]
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ith	Strange people. Bad people.	[07:23]
ith	Evil people.	[07:23]
ith	When do I get put back on the /live/ internet, and not this two year out of date thing?	[07:26]
punkman	do you know thenewdeal fellow?	[07:27]
ith	I don't know. What's his real name? I don't think I've chatted with him on IRC	[07:28]
ith	Perhaps you'd care to answer some of the questions above that I put to BingoBoingo?	[07:29]
ith	It would be appreciated, if you're willing	[07:30]
punkman	we don't have Trump in 1832, sorry	[07:30]
ith	I see	[07:30]
ith	BingoBoingo: ping	[07:33]
BingoBoingo	Womp's not gone yet, just stopped back inside to get an axe	[07:35]
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punkman	what's a womp	[07:35]
BingoBoingo	!up punkman You know the minivan sized furballs that are a pestillence on the North America continent during our as opposed to ith's current epoch	[07:36]
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BingoBoingo	!up ith	[07:36]
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ith	Buffalo?	[07:36]
BingoBoingo	sharpe teeth	[07:36]
BingoBoingo	*sharper	[07:36]
ith	Elk?	[07:37]
ith	Bears?	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	More legs	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	brb, gotta take this womp out while I still have a back door	[07:37]
ith	Okay	[07:37]
ith	I'm going to have to disappear in about 30 minutes. Any answers to the above questions would be appreciated when you're back	[07:39]
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punkman	!up NewLiberty	[07:42]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell ith You'll find out once these things reach your time.	[07:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:42]
ith	What the heck does that mean?	[07:42]
ith	I can't stay stuck two years in the past	[07:44]
punkman	you can buy cheaper bitcoins two years ago	[07:44]
BingoBoingo	7 legs, lots of teeth, but very slow. Well the seventh isn't technically a leg...	[07:45]
punkman	furry proboscis?	[07:45]
ith	That's true, and I thought of that... however the problem is that to get me those coins, they would have to compromise the wallet I'd use to receive them, and my computer would stay compromised	[07:45]
ith	I don't know of any animals that have six legs	[07:46]
BingoBoingo	punkman: other end of the torso	[07:46]
ith	Someone let me out of this prison you put me in	[07:47]
ith	And please answer the above questions	[07:47]
ith	:\|	[07:47]
BingoBoingo	punkman: And not a tail either, other side of the perineum	[07:47]
ith	How did the US come to not have a president?	[07:50]
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BingoBoingo	long story involving monsanto, obesity, biodiesel, and cuckolding	[07:52]
ith	I downloaded a porn video from a site specializing in making people cuckold a week or so ago. I need more information please. It would have to have been serious. How did the president leave office?	[07:53]
punkman	you should write that BB	[07:53]
ith	Who controls the military now?	[07:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49643 @ 0.00049493 = 24.5698 BTC [+] {2}	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	Military? more like drug gangs	[07:54]
ith	What about Texas? What's going on with them? They were opposing the New World Order	[07:55]
BingoBoingo	flooded	[07:55]
ith	By what?	[07:55]
BingoBoingo	you don't want to know	[07:56]
BingoBoingo	You can't handle this time	[07:56]
ith	What happened to InfoWars?	[07:56]
BingoBoingo	happened to what?	[07:57]
ith	Hmm.	[07:57]
ith	I don't have much time, and I might not get the chance to speak again. Why don't you give me some information that I can use while I'm here? I could be cut off tomorrow	[07:58]
ith	or dead	[07:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00049358 = 15.1282 BTC [-] {2}	[07:58]
punkman	why would anyone kill you ith?	[07:58]
ith	Was Trump elected? Did he take office. If he did, how and why did he leave office?	[07:59]
ith	punkman: Bad people surround me.	[07:59]
ith	They don't like me, I'm afraid. I'm too good	[07:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00049717 = 3.3808 BTC [+]	[07:59]
ith	And too intelligent. And too unwilling to go along with their plans (for the New World Order, and the like)	[07:59]
BingoBoingo	ith: You should be safe for some time if you avoid plus sized models and ginko tree pollen	[08:00]
ith	How do I know where I might come into contact with ginko tree pollen?	[08:00]
punkman	ith, should send your bitcoin to BB for safekeeping	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	generally near ginko trees is where you'd encounter it	[08:01]
ith	I have about $40 worth of bitcoin, given it's current price on my two years out of date internet	[08:01]
ith	I don't think we have any of those around here, thankfully	[08:01]
punkman	!up adlai	[08:02]
*	assbot gives voice to adlai	[08:02]
ith	I could buy a bit more, but that's risky. I might be throwing my money away	[08:02]
ith	They might kill me if you don't give me more information	[08:03]
ith	I don't want to die	[08:03]
ith	Why won't you help me :(	[08:03]
punkman	download a copy of the logs, lots of info there	[08:04]
ith	The copy I'll get will be from 2015, and this is 2017 so I wouldn't learn anything I don't already know	[08:04]
BingoBoingo	duck fat is a going to be a safe investment, it can repel pat	[08:04]
ith	Everything except this chat is from two years ago	[08:04]
-mist-	[Festive new year global notice] As we start to see the New Year in in more populated timezones, festive wallops and globals appear on the horizon. Join the new-year fun in #freenode-newyears. Or don't. I'm not the police.	[08:05]
ith	you could email me a copy of the logs if you wanted to	[08:05]
punkman	I don't have anything past 2015 either	[08:05]
ith	Damnit	[08:05]
ith	BingoBoingo: what about you. You seem to have newer information	[08:06]
ith	Please.	[08:06]
*	assbot removes voice from ith	[08:06]
BingoBoingo	You don't want to know. Don't think and just start making Opium latex condoms	[08:06]
BingoBoingo	ith: Stop PM'ing me. Fine what happens is you die in a shitstorm. Literally. You were on the toilet at 0 flush.	[08:10]
BingoBoingo	!up ith	[08:10]
*	assbot gives voice to ith	[08:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47457 @ 0.00049717 = 23.5942 BTC [+]	[08:10]
ith	I don't want to die in a shit storm, though. How can I avoid that?	[08:10]
BingoBoingo	Poop outside.	[08:11]
ith	Sigh. Would you kindly email me those logs? I can't get them myself	[08:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00049947 = 4.2954 BTC [+]	[08:11]
ith	And I apparently don't have friends, and my movements are tracked 24 / 7 so I can't access an uncompromised computer to get on the current internet	[08:12]
ith	I'm stuck here :\|	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	I can't because we stopped calling them logs after 0 flush out of respect.	[08:12]
ith	What is "0 flush"?	[08:12]
ith	I need those logs.	[08:13]
ith	And I've got about 4 minutes left :P	[08:13]
BingoBoingo	ith: You remember http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357128	[08:13]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 10:50:44; BingoBoingo: long story involving monsanto, obesity, biodiesel, and cuckolding	[08:13]
BingoBoingo	It happens in the pipes	[08:14]
ith	What are you referring to? _what_ happens in the pipes?	[08:14]
BingoBoingo	0 flush	[08:14]
ith	And what is that?	[08:14]
ith	0 day?	[08:14]
ith	holocaust?	[08:15]
BingoBoingo	The most horrid biological distaster in history. We were too greedy. Too careless.	[08:15]
ith	So a bio false flag, then...	[08:15]
ith	And then what?	[08:15]
BingoBoingo	We can out of oil and phosphorous so instead of drilling and mining the ground, we stopped processing sewage and started mining it.	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	This lead to 0 flush	[08:16]
ith	And how many people died as a result of this disaster?	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	Some industrial processes were never meant to exist so close to each other.	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	Every single one on a toilet at a time. "They" emerged at 0 flush	[08:17]
ith	Well I'd love to stay and chat about this further. Thank you for making the end of my day a bit better, anyway. I'm afraid that I have to leave now. Be back tomorrow evening. See you and thank you all for chipping in to unravel this mystery!	[08:18]
ith	Goodbye	[08:18]
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BingoBoingo	!up adlai	[08:36]
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*	adlai vanishes behind a cloud of keyboard dust, kicked up from furious typing	[08:46]
*	shinohai imagines adlai as a digital dibbuk ....	[08:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13596 @ 0.00050032 = 6.8024 BTC [+]	[08:51]
*	adlai suggests, for con-venience, linking http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/ from http://qntra.net/about/	[08:52]
assbot	Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY9tv0 )	[08:52]
assbot	About \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvMjTr )	[08:52]
BingoBoingo	I'll get to it next revision of all that	[08:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26457 @ 0.00050032 = 13.237 BTC [+]	[08:55]
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shinohai	https://redd.it/3yw5cz <<< LOLOLOL	[09:05]
assbot	What if Bitcoin Core becomes a major altcoin after a fork? : bitcoin_uncensored ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrDNVD )	[09:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00050086 = 6.962 BTC [+]	[09:10]
adlai	pff, "The real problem is if Bitcoin whales choose Core"... the real problem is not getting stepped on by elephants	[09:14]
adlai	this has been known to cause severe maiming, dismemberment, unconsciousness, retardation, and worst of all, loss of bitcoins	[09:15]
adlai	!up punkman	[09:17]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Difficulty Rises 11.16% Adding A New Digit At 103,880,340,815 - http://qntra.net/2015/12/difficulty-rises-11-16-adding-a-new-digit-at-103880340815/	[09:18]
shinohai	In the morning ass department ... https://i.imgur.com/AKvhhrw.jpg	[09:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RaIfZF )	[09:18]
adlai	shinohai: porn is off-topic unless you shangohai it into tumblr	[09:24]
shinohai	And you are suddenly chatroom content manager?	[09:24]
adlai	also, real porn tends to have fewer clothes, unless it's phashion porn	[09:24]
adlai	no, i'm just suddenly self-voiced...	[09:25]
*	adlai hands the content curation baton back to shinohai	[09:25]
adlai	(this is basically the secret to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-09-2015#1287814 )	[09:25]
assbot	Logged on 29-09-2015 19:37:55; jurov: cargocult masonry aside, i surmised they invented structured discussion, i.e. it was clear at all times whose turn is to speak	[09:25]
adlai	years later to be reinvented by one japanese neckbeard who loved to gamble but hated paying a cut to the statehouse	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/a7SuymU.jpg	[09:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RaJoR0 )	[09:27]
*	adlai pushes to the stack of someday blog posts: "10 reasons why arbitrageurs should sell the ride and rent a bike"	[09:30]
adlai	fits right between "how to kill dictators on bitbet" and "why scalpl only trades on mpex"	[09:32]
*	adlai is frankly disappoint that so many people are so waltzy with basshar	[09:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51986 @ 0.00050086 = 26.0377 BTC [+]	[09:33]
adlai	lol, protip for those who like to live dangerously: send with joinmarket, but winnings to originating address. 1/N chance you get your money back, or you made a nice donation to phungibility providers	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00050273 = 30.5157 BTC [+] {3}	[09:38]
BingoBoingo	lol	[09:39]
*	adlai should really do a blog post explaining how "tinder for coinjoin" works, but then he'd be executed for blatand shillery	[09:40]
adlai	!s from:thestringpuller blog	[09:40]
assbot	42 results for 'from:thestringpuller blog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Athestringpuller+blog	[09:40]
*	adlai got his answer, returns to irl universe etc	[09:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74365 @ 0.00049929 = 37.1297 BTC [-] {5}	[09:51]
BingoBoingo	!up dub	[09:52]
*	assbot gives voice to dub	[09:52]
adlai	;;later tell danielpbarron what's the least you'd be willing to pay for an "mpex shuffle" generator?	[09:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:54]
adlai	!s mpex shuffle	[09:55]
assbot	2 results for 'mpex shuffle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpex+shuffle	[09:55]
adlai	preferably set to background music, some sorta psytrance blockchain radiomabobber	[09:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00050364 = 34.5497 BTC [+] {3}	[10:09]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hey, let me know when it'd be a good time to do the 128-256gb ram upgrade.	[10:24]
BingoBoingo	Much server	[10:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1356966 << alf has a theory that all these low effort "law breaking" things exist as usg-run operations to find and document wreckers.	[10:25]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 07:57:10; copypaste: I never quite understood the purpose of this "company"; founded in USA yet ignoring USG rules to transfer quantities of $1 using Bitcoin	[10:25]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah, the bottleneck for what phuctor does is ram, so whatcha gonna do.	[10:26]
BingoBoingo	I'm going to enjoy watching big numbers like this get tossed around.	[10:26]
*	BingoBoingo typing from machine with 256 GB of persistent storage	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1356977 << you don't understand. jail in the us is actually better accommodations than what most of the world enjoys.	[10:27]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 08:03:42; copypaste: At least Charlie laundered millions of dollars, they'll be going to jail over 50 cups of coffee and some $1 prostitution ads	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	it costs n times the LIFETIME AVERAGE INCOME of the world's poorest billion to keep a dude in jail for a year.	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	and fuck, it has air conditioning.	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	Except in Louisiana	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	do you realise that with temperatures in the 30s and humidity over 5000% i spend about 100w per sq ft to keep the terrariums livable	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	yet about half this city uses... fans ?	[10:29]
BingoBoingo	dayum	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 100 * 24 * 2 * 30	[10:29]
gribble	144000	[10:29]
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mircea_popescu	there you go, 144kWh per sqft, that's over 70 MWh for a two girl apt.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	and then people derp about mining being eco-unfriendly./	[10:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66579 @ 0.00050096 = 33.3534 BTC [-] {3}	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo damned things set at 21 throughout. it has not yet happened i've seen it reach 21 yet, anywhere. shittiest unit sucks 3kw to try and fail.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	it's a fucking soup out there. (turns out cooling humid air is way more energetically demanding than cooling dry air. who knew!)	[10:32]
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BingoBoingo	Are you sure you have enough compressor?	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	i think i have enough compressor to oppress a horse.	[10:33]
BingoBoingo	Have you tried vacation?	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	oh, we're gonna talk about the MWh an atomic dirigible burns ?	[10:35]
BingoBoingo	Away from river, closer to penguins	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i like it here. instead of "full nudity for all visitors. house rules." "what ?!??!" it's "full nudity for all visitors. house rules." "oh thanks god!"	[10:36]
BingoBoingo	lol	[10:38]
adlai	!v assbot:adlai.rate.anduck.1:0473b62d19bbb27c9f51d26fc6dcba01ebe4c2e1ebf6677b3d594b098ab39f1a	[10:38]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for anduck with note: dude seems to honestly care for my mental health, wants me to stop trolling #b-a	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	lol are you gonna be saved bb ?	[10:39]
BingoBoingo	I have no idea yet	[10:42]
*	adlai goes on vacation, it's good for the soule	[10:42]
*	BingoBoingo has spent the entire week safely on high ground	[10:43]
*	adlai vaped on a high chair while yuval cohen did the jazz thing, !rate him 10/10 would listen again	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	here's a fun tidbit i forgot to mention in the dedicated article : out of ~278k female profiles (which really seem to be the total of the meat of okcupid, ie, women under 30) there is exactly NO actual female 180 cm or over. a buncha trannies but those obviously are not female.	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	the intersection between "suprmodel" and "okcupid" turns out to be nil.	[10:46]
adlai	what if they're s/fe//?	[10:47]
adlai	or does transitioning mean you are now a gender-free androgynee	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	dumbgendered, to go with the mayogendered.	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, "transitioning" means you're an injured-whatever you were born.	[10:48]
adlai	injured, with extreme prejudice	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	an ox is not a "transitioning" cow. it's an injured bull.	[10:49]
adlai	donkey-gendered	[10:49]
adlai	er sorry, mule	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	once some chick fucks an octopus AND CONCEIVES we're in mule territory.	[10:49]
*	adlai has some japanese magazines to sell you!	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway. lo and behold, most of the womenz trying to date online have a god damned reason for it! behind a monitor, nobody knows you're short!	[10:50]
*	adlai goes back to browsing p2sh.info while fantasising about scorched-chain miner defection	[10:50]
adlai	lol, even the donation address is a bounty in favor of sedition	[10:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88200 @ 0.00049736 = 43.8672 BTC [-] {4}	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	here's one for phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-n7YfRKqc	[10:55]
assbot	France Gall - Computer Nr3 (Live 1968) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0tN85 )	[10:55]
adlai	http://qntra.net/archives/ !?	[11:03]
assbot	Archives \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYsi4V )	[11:04]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski get an actual Archive page for the Contravex already	[11:04]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:04]
BingoBoingo	adlai: That's a mystery	[11:04]
BingoBoingo	Ah works now	[11:05]
adlai	not from over here! but yes from archive.is... wtf	[11:05]
BingoBoingo	if you click the navbar link	[11:05]
adlai	you know you've had too much to think when computers start breaking from contact merely digital	[11:05]
adlai	https://archive.is/5rSjf works, snapshat just now, http://qntra.net/archives/ - doesn't!	[11:06]
assbot	Archives \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0uhLm )	[11:06]
assbot	Archives \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYsi4V )	[11:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357021 << if we could plox not voice this idiot again until he does enough reading to get out of so-dumb-unintentional-trolling-and-it's-not-even-funny ghetto kthx.	[11:16]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 09:31:13; Quent: BingoBoingo, aren't softforks hardforks?	[11:16]
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BingoBoingo	Sure	[11:16]
adlai	he could just read the margin notes, that's why they're there.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357092 << i was just skimming through the unflushed toilet, trying to discern if any ACTUAL PEOPLE had anything to say during all the braying of NON PEOPLE, ran into punkman, lolled.	[11:18]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 10:25:27; punkman: do you know thenewdeal fellow?	[11:18]
*	adlai remains in the so-dumb-intentional-trolling-and-i-made-myself-laugh-that's-all-the-difference	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	!rate adlai -1 actually it's time to shut up.	[11:18]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2dd7a8aade305961	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.adlai.-1:0fa48cb748629fa46745f8cd9b2972541cc1408dde31d976415bca5b1869b678	[11:19]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for adlai with note: actually it's time to shut up.	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot adlai	[11:19]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=adlai \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/adlai/	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes asciilifeform jurov if you'd kindly consider whether the noise is worth it i'd be grateful kthx.	[11:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00049868 = 19.8973 BTC [+] {3}	[11:19]
adlai	!v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:0421af1115e7485bf7f6ea575152d9366302c2228e79bd6d0252bc963348033e	[11:21]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: pretty much the only guy who tells me when to shut up	[11:21]
shinohai	!rate adlai -1 Perhaps one day science will discover a cure for verbal diarrhea.	[11:22]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6919df6602129ae4	[11:22]
shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.adlai.-1:577e9b5f9dec54bf911e4373613796d92596268f5a4c210066e5c24e346fbcb0	[11:23]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for adlai with note: Perhaps one day science will discover a cure for verbal diarrhea.	[11:23]
shinohai	There, I did my part.	[11:23]
adlai	!v assbot:adlai.rate.shinohai.-1:08af796f1e38afd8cbc76c78ef1a7e3a97c960b254344bab68251dc5e97ad851	[11:24]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for shinohai with note: perhaps one day shilling will discover a cure for liquid asset leakage	[11:24]
*	adlai does his... or is this not how the wot works?	[11:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31280 @ 0.00050003 = 15.6409 BTC [+] {2}	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	o look, BingoBoingo and shinohai found some chicks too tall to be on okcupid!	[11:31]
BingoBoingo	seriously	[11:31]
shinohai	What can I say, I'm a legs guy.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	in direr news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/4d90cc15c0bec19d20658897086ff331/tumblr_nwqkb9FuU11rdc5oto1_500.gif	[11:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JLnJJ0 )	[11:34]
deedbot-	[Qntra] 2015 In Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/12/2015-in-bitcoin/	[11:43]
BingoBoingo	^ Let me know in the comments if I missed anything	[11:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24303 @ 0.00050341 = 12.2344 BTC [+]	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	i guess technically speaking there is no such thing as "downward volatility".	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	"volatile downtrend" if you want.	[11:49]
BingoBoingo	ty, fixed	[11:57]
BingoBoingo	Also qntra archives page should work consistently now	[12:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73300 @ 0.00050294 = 36.8655 BTC [-] {3}	[12:17]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357250 << any time	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 13:22:20; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, let me know when it'd be a good time to do the 128-256gb ram upgrade.	[12:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357259 << talking about what something costs in usaschwitz is rather tricky	[12:27]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 13:25:58; mircea_popescu: it costs n times the LIFETIME AVERAGE INCOME of the world's poorest billion to keep a dude in jail for a year.	[12:27]
asciilifeform	(see the 'turkey-buying dollar' thread)	[12:27]
BingoBoingo	Alright took the opportunity to chop on qntra a bit. Page loading should be still faster.	[12:27]
asciilifeform	guard is paid $x, he - like every other working stiff in usaschwitz - goes back and spends $x-epsilon on housing racket and tax	[12:27]
asciilifeform	'american is never given money, he is merely shown it and allowed to hold in his hands for a spell to be reminded that it exists'	[12:28]
asciilifeform	so to speak of it ~costing n times avg income on the planet~ or whatnot, is misleading, because the circulatory loop is closed	[12:29]
asciilifeform	the prison guard (or whoever else) cannot take the salary and spend it on N slaves in the turd world	[12:30]
*	adlai wonders re: median Bitcoin income	[12:30]
asciilifeform	adlai: 0	[12:30]
adlai	brb bullshitting it off trb financial statements	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	Enablers https://i.sli.mg/EYMto2.png	[12:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1YUaXP6 )	[12:31]
adlai	well naturally i'm capping the sample set at positive amounts of satoshi... if you're too stupid to make money, you don't have negative income. you are funemployed.	[12:31]
asciilifeform	let's put it this way, if $firm were to put N additional zeroes in front of my wage, and landlord put the same number of zeroes in front of my rent, does this make any practical difference ?	[12:31]
asciilifeform	(answer: yes! to the tax collector! he gets nonlinearly moar)	[12:32]
adlai	don't forget the lobbyist who asymptotically restores linearity	[12:32]
asciilifeform	adlai: read the hypothetical again. the net money to spend remains same	[12:33]
asciilifeform	at least in effect.	[12:33]
*	adlai redefines "lobbyist" as "collector of sales tax on tickets to the democracy theatre"	[12:34]
asciilifeform	the high wages in usa come simply from the sheer volume of bezzle sloshing around, and don't actually buy anything interesting (the lack of shit rivers in the streets has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of zeroes in front of the decimal point)	[12:36]
asciilifeform	e.g., zimbabwe has many more significant zeros, but also more turd	[12:36]
asciilifeform	so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su	[12:37]
asciilifeform	usaschwitz prisoner - even in the Big Zone ('freedom') - is rarely fed actual bread, or even clean water	[12:38]
asciilifeform	eats synthetic sludge.	[12:38]
asciilifeform	like most of his countrymen.	[12:38]
adlai	Soylent Cream is [actually good for] People!	[12:38]
asciilifeform	adlai: what's 'funemployed' ?	[12:38]
adlai	it's when you're not employed, but still having fun	[12:39]
adlai	state commonly encountered among open source programmers, homeless alcoholics, and the mentally retarted	[12:39]
*	asciilifeform bbl.	[12:40]
adlai	take care.	[12:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00049754 = 5.8625 BTC [-]	[12:47]
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copypaste	indeed mircea_popescu, but you're missing the point; it's worth more to USG to have people that run services like Paxful out of the equation than the costs of putting them in jail	[13:07]
copypaste	it happened to bitinstant, coin.mx, and so on; i see no reason to think why it won't happen to Paxful just because the dollar amounts are on average smaller	[13:08]
copypaste	you're digging your own grave by incorporating there and partnering with companies that all agree to prevent "money laundering", then in the next breath telling your clients to lie to those companies in order to transact	[13:09]
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mircea_popescu	well sure.	[13:34]
*	adlai squares the triangle, stabilising the tripod with the most obvious omission: children	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well sure. i was discussing the "what is taxpayer billed" angle.	[13:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00050232 = 21.4993 BTC [+]	[14:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64700 @ 0.00050344 = 32.5726 BTC [+] {4}	[14:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.0005005 = 18.2182 BTC [-] {3}	[14:21]
BingoBoingo	So qntra website should be even faster still than it was the last time I said it got faster here in channel. Please let me know if it is not.	[14:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202150 @ 0.00050605 = 102.298 BTC [+] {5}	[14:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00050718 = 19.3094 BTC [+] {2}	[14:36]
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thestringpuller	damn BingoBoingo	[14:58]
thestringpuller	this slow as a mollassus	[14:59]
thestringpuller	jk	[14:59]
thestringpuller	qntra is the fastest loading website	[14:59]
thestringpuller	on my bookmarks	[14:59]
thestringpuller	Reminds me of some dumb redditard who was like "This webpage on reddit is 8 megs and I loaded it in 1 second. Blocks should be bigger!" << I was like you're proud of that nonsense?	[15:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00049754 = 7.289 BTC [-]	[15:02]
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shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/6QOdXb1.jpg	[15:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NXmrfz )	[15:12]
*	assbot gives voice to punkman	[15:14]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357217 did a fake punkman show up, not in my logs	[15:15]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 12:15:20; adlai: !up punkman	[15:15]
adlai	!up for an !up leaves the rhyme unfinished	[15:18]
adlai	bot/assbot): You voiced for for 30 minutes.	[15:18]
thestringpuller	punkman: do you not have your nick locked by nickserv?	[15:19]
punkman	sure	[15:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17322 @ 0.00050048 = 8.6693 BTC [+]	[15:19]
adlai	so uhm, mircea_popescu tells me to shut up so i did,wandered over to fuckerbergia, troll around a bit, then this happens: http://i.imgur.com/rNWRjU3.png	[15:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NXngoL )	[15:22]
adlai	those (the edits) are hebrew for "like satoshi himself", and "btw he's a gypsy"	[15:22]
thestringpuller	so evoorhees blasts litecoin with https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ then goes on to found shapeshift.io ...	[15:22]
thestringpuller	did I miss something?	[15:22]
*	adlai is not a racist, also not qualified to fight such misinformation... just fyi	[15:22]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357368 "force them to clean folds and give massages" win	[15:23]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 15:29:00; BingoBoingo: Enablers https://i.sli.mg/EYMto2.png	[15:23]
punkman	"She divorced Edward Halverson and returned to using her family name after he was convicted of hitting her with a frying pan during a domestic argument in 2008. Edward Halverson is serving three to 10 years in state prison."	[15:26]
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thestringpuller	BitGo says: "My personal view at this point is that it's more important that we successfully accomplish an intentional hard fork"	[15:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109333 @ 0.00050725 = 55.4592 BTC [+] {3}	[15:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14235 @ 0.00050884 = 7.2433 BTC [+]	[15:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20465 @ 0.00050989 = 10.4349 BTC [+] {2}	[15:36]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357422 <<< word	[15:36]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 18:20:32; thestringpuller: so evoorhees blasts litecoin with https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ then goes on to found shapeshift.io ...	[15:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4878 @ 0.00050287 = 2.453 BTC [-]	[15:39]
thestringpuller	!up assbot	[15:41]
thestringpuller	oops	[15:41]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_rear	[15:41]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_rear	[15:41]
ascii_rear	ty thestringpuller	[15:42]
ascii_rear	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357391 << relationship of usg with the penny-ante criminal caste is quite like that of gamekeeper and deer. see also mega-classic 'hitler's table talk.'	[15:43]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 16:05:45; copypaste: indeed mircea_popescu, but you're missing the point; it's worth more to USG to have people that run services like Paxful out of the equation than the costs of putting them in jail	[15:43]
adlai	uhh, isn't SOP crystal clear? eric gets a visit, doesn't want to shrem away a single day, so he sets up a "money laundering tool" which tracks IPs and uses 0conf to scam its lemmings	[15:43]
ascii_rear	aha	[15:43]
adlai	reddit is overflowing with shills telling people "exchange -> wallet -> other wallet -> electrum -> exchange -> shapeshift -> exchange ->etc"	[15:44]
*	adlai leaves the role of electrum to the alert/paranoid reader	[15:44]
*	adlai has a shapeshift.io shirt, got for phree in miami (aka GarzaConf), wears it ironically because he's such a hipster	[15:45]
ascii_rear	adlai in usa often ?	[15:45]
adlai	someday it'll be worth more than eric's head on a platter	[15:45]
shinohai	!unrate adlai	[15:45]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a26deac33f7f53eb	[15:45]
adlai	ascii_rear: only when people buy my ticket, or sell me a lisp machine	[15:45]
ascii_rear	adlai: let's say you buy that machine. how do you intend to take it home ?	[15:46]
adlai	i don't.	[15:46]
adlai	there is a use for such things which does not require them leaving the greater DC area	[15:46]
shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.unrate.adlai:2a69c144f0d22304b713b0183bb11a4eebb07b6a75348e1620d823351402b295	[15:46]
assbot	Successfully unrated adlai	[15:46]
*	adlai is speaking, of course, of arbitrage	[15:47]
ascii_rear	adlai: buy cheap sell dear ?	[15:47]
ascii_rear	not so many takers for these, who don't already have one.	[15:47]
*	adlai like any srs trdr does not reveal both source and destination in the same breath	[15:47]
ascii_rear	this is not a rembrandt, after all, but a mass-produced item	[15:47]
ascii_rear	sorta like a 'ford t'	[15:47]
adlai	sure.	[15:47]
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*	adlai hasn't given you btc yet... gotta make sure the taker takes as well	[15:47]
adlai	if it's still on the block, and in working order, then i'll get in touch with him.	[15:48]
ascii_rear	also if adlai wants to be a serious broker in lispm, he ought talk to dave schmidt and not me	[15:48]
adlai	shinohai: why'd you brigade me but not liquidassets ?	[15:48]
shinohai	I was busting your balls adlai	[15:49]
adlai	brokers deal with volume, sometimes arbitrage opportunities only exist for a single trade.	[15:49]
ascii_rear	these are quite like a ford t	[15:49]
ascii_rear	with the exception that you can get parts for the ford t	[15:49]
ascii_rear	hence a single, solitary lispm is rather like a solitary mig-29	[15:49]
ascii_rear	won't last terribly long.	[15:50]
*	adlai suddenly recalls being told to shut up, this is excellent advice!	[15:50]
adlai	!v assbot:adlai.rate.shinohai.-1:f5edf6ad4b11b3db91af0e76eb03b41c7fdcbe1b8570f638485f9777a69cf0d9	[15:51]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from -1 to -1 with note: thinks it's a fucking game	[15:51]
adlai	ascii_rear: I'm not kidding about buying it, please let me know if it's in working order.	[15:51]
shinohai	sigh	[15:51]
ascii_rear	adlai: i will	[15:52]
*	adlai would also be curious to hear how ascii_rear recommends transporting it [within the greater DC area] such that it remains in working order	[15:54]
ascii_rear	adlai: only by car	[15:55]
ascii_rear	preferably one with nice luxury suspension	[15:55]
adlai	what about a shitty rental? remember, i may be wealthy enough to buy a ford t, but i'm too poorfag to register my own keyid	[15:56]
ascii_rear	once you power it, satisfied, and wheel it away, all bets are off	[15:56]
*	adlai opens a "lispm crashes upon or before delivery to end-buyer" bitbet, funds Yes (as a self-promotion stunt)	[15:59]
adlai	re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has a little value purely as a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."	[16:03]
adlai	ie, it has zero value as a backup blockchain, because it's all the same code, only with fewer fixes and more "it wasn't broken, why did you fix it?"	[16:03]
adlai	there's roughly one blockchain i'm aware of which DOES have positive-epsilon backup-value, and it's not fucking woodcoin	[16:03]
*	adlai shuts up again,alert reader can (apply #'adlai #&environment) themselves	[16:04]
ascii_rear	adlai: this thread is good sober adlai	[16:04]
ascii_rear	if there were moar of this, possibly folks wouldn't unrate	[16:05]
*	adlai lets sober adlai pick it up, someday. maybe on his sober blog, although the drunk one is much likelier to see the light of day phirst...	[16:07]
thestringpuller	what does ascii_rear imply?	[16:08]
thestringpuller	rear of spaceship?	[16:08]
ascii_rear	rear (vs front)	[16:08]
adlai	!s from:thestringpuller blog	[16:09]
assbot	42 results for 'from:thestringpuller blog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Athestringpuller+blog	[16:09]
thestringpuller	what are you looking for adlai lol	[16:09]
thestringpuller	my tumblr blog is stale	[16:10]
adlai	you seemed to also be on the verge of starting one, maybe i misread.	[16:10]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_rear	[16:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23651 @ 0.00049847 = 11.7893 BTC [-]	[16:13]
thestringpuller	adlai: slowly but surely. the theme is mainly done but have to do more wordpress-y things which i do enough of at work as is...	[16:14]
*	adlai half-continues the altkoin thread: "Rejection reason: Coinmarketcap is not a usable resolution source. Please resubmit with a reliable source for such data if you can." << does anybody nominate more reliable sources?	[16:15]
*	adlai can't find one, maybe needs new glasses	[16:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44071 @ 0.00049847 = 21.9681 BTC [-]	[16:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00049833 = 10.4151 BTC [-] {3}	[16:21]
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ascii_rear	in other non-nyooz,	[16:40]
ascii_rear	http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=491	[16:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlLmn )	[16:40]
ascii_rear	^ 'personal analogue computer'	[16:41]
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ascii_rear	http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_big.php?n=2369 << the examples in the manual involve neutron kinetics in reactor	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	mod6 ascii_rear et al. : the following are the various snippits of error messages from my most recently attempts at 99997k on debian 7 : http://dpaste.com/3SPWKDN.txt : any help is much appreciated.	[16:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlT5d )	[16:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlQqd )	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	https://i.imgur.com/6QOdXb1.jpg << traditionally, that's what call girls are for.	[16:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NXmrfz )	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	recent*	[16:41]
ascii_rear	pete_dushenski: what are you building with ?	[16:42]
shinohai	:D	[16:42]
ascii_rear	and for what machine	[16:42]
pete_dushenski	ascii_rear: was following recipe here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-12-2015#1350145	[16:43]
assbot	Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: anyway, for pete_d and anyone else who might have encountered difficulty with trb or fears they might : it's actually rather painless. 1. you create an account on a server ; 2. you cd /home/account_name ; 3. you create a .wot directory (mkdir .wot) ; 4. you put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc ; 5. you download the rotor script (curl deedbot.org/bui	[16:43]
pete_dushenski	and lemme check the specs of the machine...	[16:43]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller> BitGo says: "My personal view at this point is that it's more important that we successfully accomplish an intentional hard fork" << yes, it would be important for their self-validaiton. just like every pimply teenager is right in suspecting that the most important thing they could be doing for their own maturity is actually bedding a woman already.	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	!up ascii_rear	[16:44]
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shinohai	pete_dushenski: is this a 32 bit machine?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless - they're not young men, fated to one day be mature men. they're worms. not caterpillars. worms. fated to NEVER be anything but worms.	[16:44]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: can you paste the output of `uname -a`	[16:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00050995 = 23.9422 BTC [+]	[16:45]
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pete_dushenski	shinohai: 64 bit	[16:48]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i was thinking the other day. bitcoin just has scammers. just as the world is filled with worms. pirateat40 was very low IQ scammer. then mt. gox tried to hide a little better not by alot.	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: Linux [name] 2.6.32-042stab108.8 #1 SMP Wed Jul 22 17:23:23 MSK 2015 i686 GNU/Linux	[16:48]
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thestringpuller	so scam after scam continues, and we finally get this new class.	[16:48]
ascii_rear	pete_dushenski: there's weird shit in your PATH	[16:48]
ascii_rear	we may have to add whatever this thing is to the rotten linuxen list	[16:49]
thestringpuller	You once said, "More scammers, the more trustworthy the legitimates become", but I see less real business to scam ratio	[16:49]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: heh. make that 32 bit. this is why, children, you measure twice and cut once !	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? fuck that.	[16:52]
pete_dushenski	i'll give it another go with a proper 64 bit os	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	there is nothing special about pirate other than the fact that theymos, and gigavps, and grubbles and EVERYONE ELSE kept pushing him.	[16:52]
shinohai	ah ha! mod6 gave me some material on 32 bit builds around here somewhere.	[16:52]
ascii_rear	!b 4	[16:52]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0NCJGTZ.txt )	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing remarkable about mtgox other than the facrt that merck, and vessenes, and gavin and theymos and ver and who have you kept pushing it.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	the actual crystal ball involved is just a bauble. could have been any random other item,	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	it's these scumbags that are the problem, the meni rosenfelds and etc of the world.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	forget about looking where the scam troop tries to direct your gaze and instead look at the man pointing.	[16:53]
ascii_rear	at the root of the league of scumbags is the tacit nod of usg	[16:54]
mod6	pete_dushenski: are you trying to build rotor+TEST2 on i686? (sorry, i'm kinda coming in the middle of this convo.)	[16:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00049729 = 13.6755 BTC [-]	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_rear which is why mp keeps going Hey SEC... fuck you.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	!s SEC from:mircea	[16:54]
assbot	228 results for 'SEC from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=SEC+from%3Amircea	[16:54]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357522 << FYI step 1 is mistake #1	[16:55]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 19:41:17; pete_dushenski: ascii_rear: was following recipe here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-12-2015#1350145	[16:55]
ascii_rear	in the sense where usg could have burned down gox ages before it died on its own, but see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-11-2015#1322048	[16:55]
assbot	Logged on 11-11-2015 17:42:47; ascii_field: 'Now the Sirens have a still more fatal weapon than their song, namely their silence. And though admittedly such a thing has never happened, still it is conceivable that someone might possibly have escaped from their singing; but from their silence certainly never.' (ol' franz k.)	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	it didn't die on its own.	[16:56]
pete_dushenski	mod6: looks like that's what i WAS doing. taking a crack from another angle now (debian 8 x86_64 bit)	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	it died over the kicking and screaming pile of the aforenamed and more, flying to japan to "Save it" and etc.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	nor did pirate "die on its own"	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	nor will fucking wuille die on his own.	[16:57]
mod6	pete_dushenski: ah ok. cool then, but yeah, shinohai was right, there /are/ i386/i686 steps available - although, i think I haven't updated them since V became a thing.	[16:57]
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shinohai	Hence why I can't remember where I put said steps now xD	[16:59]
pete_dushenski	mod6: cool thanks. i'll let you know how this test goes :)	[16:59]
mod6	alright cool. mind if I ask which rotor+TEST2 script you're using?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357485 << re-reading my lines from 2013 is always a fun endeavour	[17:01]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 19:00:53; adlai: re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has a little value purely as a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."	[17:01]
mod6	pete_dushenski: you may want to try out trinque's latest changes	[17:02]
*	mod6 digs up	[17:02]
pete_dushenski	mod6: i'm using deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh	[17:02]
*	mod6 looks	[17:03]
mod6	aha, this is /my/ latest one.	[17:04]
mod6	which should work fine for you.	[17:04]
mod6	(on x86-64)	[17:04]
mod6	trinque's had some subtle changes	[17:04]
mod6	mainly just to unbury the static binary once built.	[17:05]
shinohai	Also, thanks mod6 for help with signing script the other day, works like a charm now.	[17:05]
mod6	shinohai: that's awesome =]	[17:07]
mod6	you're welcome	[17:07]
mod6	pete_dushenski: here you go: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351958	[17:07]
assbot	Logged on 24-12-2015 16:58:10; trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir	[17:07]
mod6	either should work fine for you. try trinque's if you hvaen't started the build yet. otherwise, np.	[17:08]
adlai	mircea_popescu: how many times do i have to tell you, dad, stop treating me like a child!	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	nuts huh.	[17:09]
adlai	toys in the attic	[17:09]
ascii_rear	wtf?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	psychodramaz.	[17:09]
adlai	it's a pink floyd thing	[17:09]
adlai	;;google pink floyd the wall the trial lyrics	[17:10]
gribble	The Trial lyrics - The Wall Lyrics - Pink Floyd Lyrics: ; PINK FLOYD LYRICS - The Trial - AZLyrics: ; Pink Floyd - The Trial Lyrics \| MetroLyrics:	[17:10]
pete_dushenski	mod6: cheers. i'll give trinque's a shot since i haven't started the build just yet. just populating .wot atm.	[17:12]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_rear	[17:15]
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mod6	pete_dushenski: awesome, let us know how it goes.	[17:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00051 = 31.518 BTC [+] {2}	[17:29]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: Mebbe if you WoT'd the guy actually talk to him before joining a rate frenzy? << I rated him based on multiple btc purchases, all of them went smooth. I haven't seen/talked to him for many moons. People change.	[17:31]
adlai	hmm. is there a way to `!rated somebody me` so assbot tells how they rated me?	[17:36]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? << this is why goat et. al pumping pirate have vanished from existence.	[17:36]
adlai	thestringpuller: pls to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=someday#sometime << your response	[17:37]
assbot	Logged on 01-01-1970 00:00:00; :	[17:37]
*	adlai apologizes in advance for telling people what to do, i realize that's frowned upon when you're an Outsider (tm) (s) (r) ~~~	[17:37]
adlai	why, you ask? context.	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	and in today's random what the fuck! https://k1.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/175x5/650x479/0/11173367338413991822.jpeg	[17:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TssOLQ )	[17:41]
ascii_rear	wai wut	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's becoming a meme.	[17:42]
ascii_rear	nobody other than mircea_popescu (and napoleon?) ever rode on a horse in egypt ?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	so i thought!	[17:42]
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*	adlai preps the leaflets: "When was the last time anybody actually verified the seals on Napoleon's tomb? All seven of them!?"	[17:45]
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adlai	!up ascii_rear	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	"assbot gives it to ascii in the rear"	[17:45]
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ascii_rear	hey how else would it be called 'assbot'	[17:46]
ascii_rear	'smith & wesson rechargeable police broomstick'	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050862 = 14.2922 BTC [-]	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	mod6 ascii_rear i have the pubkeys in .wot and also in /root/.gnupg/pubring and yet i'm still getting "can't check signature: public key not found" (http://dpaste.com/3416RC7.txt)	[17:54]
ascii_rear	root??	[17:54]
ascii_rear	and wtf	[17:54]
ascii_rear	dsa/?!!!	[17:54]
ascii_rear	and that's not mine	[17:55]
pete_dushenski	lolk	[17:55]
ascii_rear	59C36319 is... who?	[17:55]
shinohai	didja /home/user/.wot ?	[17:56]
ascii_rear	!s 59C36319	[17:56]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: i did	[17:56]
assbot	1 results for '59C36319' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=59C36319	[17:56]
ascii_rear	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219684	[17:56]
assbot	Logged on 31-07-2015 19:15:19; ben_vulpes: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319	[17:56]
ascii_rear	buildroot.	[17:56]
*	pete_dushenski reading	[17:56]
pete_dushenski	ascii_rear: ah. bingo.	[17:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57768 @ 0.00051005 = 29.4646 BTC [+]	[17:58]
ascii_rear	pete_dushenski gonna set up a node ?	[18:02]
pete_dushenski	yuppers	[18:02]
ascii_rear	neato	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	good fer you.	[18:03]
*	ascii_rear still thinks it could be interesting to set up a number of publicly identifiable (version patch) nodez and watch the enemy reaction	[18:04]
ascii_rear	https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/sec06/tech/shah/shah.pdf <<>> http://dpaste.com/0J0E2WD << interesting oldie	[18:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1mTMnCb )	[18:10]
assbot	dpaste: 0J0E2WD ... ( http://bit.ly/1mTMnCf )	[18:10]
ascii_rear	circa '06	[18:10]
ascii_rear	'This paper introduces JitterBugs , a class of inline interception mechanisms that covertly transmit data by perturbing the timing of input events likely to affect externally observable network traffic. JitterBugs positioned at input devices deep within the trusted environment (e.g., hidden in cables or connectors) can leak sensitive data without compromising the host or its software. In particular, we show a practical	[18:12]
ascii_rear	Keyboard JitterBug that solves the data exfiltration problem for keystroke loggers by leaking captured passwords through small variations in the precise times at which keyboard events are delivered to the host. Whenever an interactive communication application (such as SSH, Telnet, instant messaging, etc) is running, a receiver monitoring the host’s network traffic can recover the leaked data, even when the session o	[18:12]
ascii_rear	r link is encrypted. Our experiments suggest that simple Keyboard JitterBugs can be a practical technique for capturing and exfiltrating typed secrets under conventional OSes and interactive network applications, even when the receiver is many hops away on the Internet.'	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah, certainly a major concern.	[18:13]
ascii_rear	artificial side channels are old hat at this point	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	loose-couplings in general, in all cases.	[18:14]
ascii_rear	but the schoolbook demo is lulzy	[18:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051007 = 26.0646 BTC [+] {2}	[18:15]
mod6	pete_dushenski: root@enchante:/home/tevye# ./build-bitcoind-151224.sh << if you made /home/tevye/.wot -- run this as 'tevye', not root.	[18:25]
mod6	!v ascii_rear	[18:25]
assbot	Invalid verfication string.	[18:25]
mod6	!up ascii_rear	[18:25]
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ascii_rear	ty mod6. re: 'jitterbug', could be interesting to wire up some consumer keyboards to a thing that fakes a press for each key and determines time-to-signal-on-the-wire.	[18:25]
ascii_rear	dollars to doughnuts you will find a signal at some point.	[18:26]
ascii_rear	the reason for this is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-12-2015#1336785	[18:26]
assbot	Logged on 05-12-2015 04:20:16; asciilifeform: (afaik publickeyization of stego is an unsolved megapr0bl3m)	[18:26]
ascii_rear	'It is widely believed that 0.1 seconds is about the limit for the response time for a user to feel that the system is reacting instantaneously [32]. Therefore in practice, the window size will have to be smaller than that. Our own experience with the Keyboard JitterBug shows that 20 ms is a perfectly acceptable window size and this amount of added lag for each keystroke is effectively unnoticeable by the user.'	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck sends passwords over the wire one character at a time is beyond the scope of this discussion/	[18:32]
ascii_rear	ssh.	[18:33]
ascii_rear	or rather, ssh ~over ssh~	[18:34]
ascii_rear	as in, where you pass terminal input to a process on a remote box	[18:34]
ascii_rear	thinkaboutit	[18:34]
*	adlai does this routinely, is he even stupider than he thought?	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	you type passwords into a remote box ?	[18:34]
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ascii_rear	most sysadmins end up doing this at some point	[18:34]
adlai	rarely, but ssh-over-ssh? all day, every day.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[18:35]
adlai	the inner session is opened from direct access to relay box.	[18:35]
*	adlai does roughly 2/3 of his #b-abble via irc-over-ssh-over-ssh	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	i dunno who'd use password-based ssh. then again that paper is from a decade ago.	[18:35]
ascii_rear	even keyed ssh often includes a password	[18:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00049706 = 40.1624 BTC [-] {7}	[18:36]
ascii_rear	(for the key)	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	you want two locks on the box ?	[18:36]
ascii_rear	afaik most folks encipher ssh key (for just the same reason as btc hotwallet)	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	afaik most folks copy/paste passwords, but that's besides the point.	[18:38]
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*	adlai has typed a btc hotwallet password into ssh-o-ssh, for canarification	[18:42]
ascii_rear	adlai: see the 'glass cannon' thread	[18:43]
*	adlai searches for it, finds just before first log mention - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125824	[18:44]
assbot	Logged on 08-05-2015 23:15:54; mircea_popescu: same reason intel's fundamentally unconcerning : all greedy algorithms are vulnerable to other greedy algorithms. that's what it means.	[18:44]
adlai	totally unrelated, yet... this is why i work on scalpl, and why nobody else cares about scalpl.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	the only thing that'd be interesting there is discovering a supply chain attack.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	which... if the chinese aren't doing it already, it's because they're kinda too slow for this world.	[18:45]
ascii_rear	mircea_popescu: i'd expect to find it in chinese iron with american firmware (e.g., apple keyboard)	[18:45]
*	adlai doesn't understand the glass cannon's purpose	[18:46]
ascii_rear	adlai: a glass cannon is a proverbial weapon that can be used exactly once.	[18:46]
adlai	hm. maybe i do? yeah... i was misinterpreting it as a weapon which reveals its usage. headful of canaries...	[18:46]
ascii_rear	(how many times can you use, e.g., a pill against rsa ?)	[18:47]
ascii_rear	each shot had better net you some serious win	[18:47]
ascii_rear	ergo a 'canary' fueled with 0.5 btc is an exercise in self-delusion	[18:48]
adlai	glass cannons are perfectly reusable if you reinforce the firing station, syncronize your shots with other noise (aka soldiering 101)	[18:48]
ascii_rear	adlai: familiar with ww2 story of the bombing of coventry ?	[18:48]
adlai	hmm. it's not all self-delusion... it means, "this target is worth more than X btc"	[18:49]
*	adlai did not mention X!	[18:49]
adlai	goon with the trigger finger might be greedier than his boss	[18:49]
adlai	see Karl Mark IVce etc	[18:49]
ascii_rear	i thought the whole reason behind adlai getting depressed and taking to dope was that he couldn't get enough coin to properly try scalpel	[18:49]
adlai	!b 9	[18:50]
assbot	Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/23S49BB.txt )	[18:50]
*	adlai knows some people who'd kill for $mpexAcct	[18:50]
ascii_rear	aha	[18:50]
adlai	they, at least, have not fucked y boxen.	[18:50]
adlai	(also, an exercise in financial mathematics, for the truly alert lurker - how many times larger a bankroll than $mpexRegistrationFee-$mpexReferralFee do you need for registration to be rational?)	[18:51]
*	adlai gueesstimates 22 mil btc, but has not yet done the math	[18:52]
ascii_rear	adlai: have you read my ancient piece re: mpex ?	[18:52]
adlai	what do i look like, a bunch of text? i have eyes as well.	[18:52]
adlai	don't get me wrong, there is definite noise to be reduced, aka - money to be made. but the question is more "how much money do you need, to earn back the registration fee before your grandchildren die"	[18:53]
*	adlai repeats, for the less-alert lurkers: my +v is a testament to the fact that money can be made on mpex.	[18:53]
adlai	notice how much mircea hates me... he scratches, he moans, he bleeds! but the thorn - remains.	[18:54]
adlai	maybe i'm just an elaborate plot device, myself...	[18:54]
ascii_rear	iirc mircea_popescu (and damn near everybody) isn't terribly fond of clutter in the logz from depressed folks screaming on the stake	[18:55]
ascii_rear	e.g., i could go on about the kind of things that happen to me at $firm but I DONT	[18:56]
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adlai	yeah, that's why they tell me to shut up, and when i'm not too drunk to read, i do.	[18:56]
adlai	!up ascii_rear	[18:56]
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ascii_rear	ty adlai. my advice is to try for high snr	[18:56]
ascii_rear	that way folks actually pay attention	[18:57]
ascii_rear	even yearz later, reading the logz	[18:57]
adlai	ty ascii_rear . i'll close this babble with my response to mircea_popescu's "-w mode": https://github.com/adlai/TenHundredBitsOfMoney	[18:59]
assbot	adlai/TenHundredBitsOfMoney · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMuQkv )	[18:59]
ascii_rear	adlai: i think we did this before ?	[19:00]
ascii_rear	mircea_popescu had an article about simple text stego	[19:00]
adlai	yes, the PGP-w mode.but PGP stego only needs to work for ~2 people, whereas btc stego should work for 21M.	[19:01]
ascii_rear	problem with all stego is that it runs exactly counter to standardization	[19:01]
ascii_rear	fundamentally.	[19:01]
*	adlai is thinking not of the day when you can't get your tx to the chinaman, but rather of the day when he can't return you your receipt	[19:01]
ascii_rear	standardized/public stego scheme is merely a waste of bandwidth.	[19:02]
adlai	sure, that's why it's tongue-in-cheek... so nobody will take it seriously, nor waste time censoring people saying words over social media.	[19:02]
*	adlai leaves it there. someday if he picks up the meth pipe instead of the tankard, he'll whip together a PoC... or if he found the shot glass instead, he'll find his way to https://xkcd.com/simplewriter/ and tell people how he thinks they should build the system for passing computer money through the words that are said most often.	[19:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JMvz4U )	[19:04]
adlai	re: snr... i realize it's an Unsolved Problem, and in precisely the same way that "racism works", it makes sense to triage text by the mouth it whenced; but "the opposite of stupid is not wrong"	[19:10]
adlai	anybody making half a bitcent on bitbet knows this.	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35169 @ 0.00049562 = 17.4305 BTC [-] {2}	[19:22]
adlai	ascii_rear: oh wait. remember "reveal themselves as tyrants"? that is the value of a ~public~ btc stegotron, esp. one which flows through 'media'	[19:23]
ascii_rear	the reveal happened already.	[19:24]
adlai	does Bitcoin not Exist?	[19:24]
*	ascii_rear isn't entirely sure that it Exists	[19:25]
ascii_rear	exists - yes	[19:25]
ascii_rear	Exists? nfi	[19:25]
adlai	do would-be tyrants other than USG not lurk in the shadows, waiting to replace them?	[19:25]
adlai	think of a public btc stegotron as a probe for "safe space"	[19:25]
ascii_rear	wai wut	[19:26]
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adlai	!up ascii_rear	[19:26]
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adlai	let's say there's a channel, #bitcoin-words, where blocks are broadcast stegodoodically. freenode lets it live. ditto for the hashtag, and the subreddit... but facebook suddenly closes down accounts that spam such words, even in private groups.	[19:27]
ascii_rear	what'll it be, 100MB posts of crud ?	[19:27]
adlai	(one of the oft-repeated defenses of facebook among meatspace 'anarchists' is that they don't censor private groups, because nobody complains)	[19:27]
adlai	yep.	[19:28]
ascii_rear	they'll be censored because 100MB of crud	[19:28]
ascii_rear	which nobody wants	[19:28]
adlai	imgur deals with far worse...	[19:28]
adlai	and really, it's only 144MB daily, times the concealment factor	[19:28]
ascii_rear	mno	[19:28]
adlai	twitch deals with... how much?	[19:28]
ascii_rear	multiply by whatever the bloat factor of the stego is	[19:28]
adlai	concealment factor = bloat factor	[19:29]
adlai	this is for broadcast. find your miner some other way	[19:29]
adlai	anyway, it's an idea, stupid one at that... i have better ones to defend.	[19:29]
adlai	better theorems to prove :)	[19:29]
ascii_rear	incidentally usg is obsessed with image stego	[19:30]
ascii_rear	(the hunt for, rather)	[19:30]
ascii_rear	since the bush era, even	[19:30]
ascii_rear	a boatload of folk are paid for, more or less, just this	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	notice how much mircea hates me... he scratches, he moans, he bleeds! but the thorn - remains. << dude stop being derpy. you're not the only or the first guy to have made or lost money on mpex. it has nothing to do with anything else.	[19:30]
*	adlai is off to defend precisely this theorem, but not with words on IRC.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	you happen to be the sort of misfortunate fucktard that grew up among idiots rather than parents, and as a result are way too fixated on experimentally verifying this hierarchy thing and way too fascinated by the female "oh may gawd what if i sell myself short".	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	forget the stupid shit, you're just some nobody that'll soon die, just like everyone else. you have no intrinsic value or importance, just like everyone else. you have no opportunities, you have no chances, there's nothing to manage. go do something useful already.	[19:32]
adlai	how exactly am I shorting myself?	[19:32]
ascii_rear	incidentally does adlai behave like this in the .il army ?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	so much fucking packaging and meta-packaging for, in the end, ~ a hundred pounds of organic turd.	[19:32]
ascii_rear	what happens to a fella who 'experimentally verifies hierarchy' there	[19:32]
adlai	ascii_rear: you can ask my superiors, who incidentally are all on their way to various CS degrees, and periodically ping me (not meni,and not mircea)with their dumb questions about bitcoin... someday maybe they'll even show up here.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	well he did get kicked out didn't he ? or what was the story ?	[19:33]
adlai	different hierarchy.	[19:33]
ascii_rear	i don't recall adlai getting drummed out	[19:34]
*	adlai is not a fan of directed acyclic graphs, where humans are concerned... age has improved his patience, but teen-adlai was really bad at this	[19:34]
adlai	ascii_rear: apparently the MPIA got hold of my diploma	[19:35]
ascii_rear	l0l wut	[19:35]
adlai	exactly, there is none (the latter, that is)	[19:35]
*	adlai blames it on the parents, because that's what mircea_popescu said!	[19:35]
ascii_rear	max planck institute for astronomy ?!!	[19:36]
adlai	freenode academy for crackpot shillery.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	captive in this "let's go out" "omaigerd i have so many questions and stuff i gotta say about it and and" "nevermind" "WAIT WAIT HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT TO ME!11" bullshit 16yo females are supposed to have outgrown.	[19:37]
ascii_rear	i thought it was just logorrhea	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	seems well structured to my eyes, in this cyclic pattern.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	guy gotta defend his bower, because totally, we're collecting blue items over here, that's what we're doing.	[19:39]
ascii_rear	i see this mainly among folk who never learned to interact with their environment in a mechanical way, and are stuck playing strictly by talking to people	[19:39]
ascii_rear	but adlai is a literate fella and seemingly oughta know better	[19:39]
ascii_rear	ergo i recommend less dope, perhaps	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	literacy is no defense against stupidity.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	that's the thing. education is mere power. stupidity is drive. the two have almost nothing in common.	[19:40]
ascii_rear	there is organic stupidity; there is also the exogenous kind	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway, perhaps because i've broken the stupid in too many slavegirls, or perhaps for whatever other reason, but the pattern's obvious to me. guy gets a shot at working on mpex, blows it, out of dedication to protecting a certain identity flaw. has shot at b-a voice, blows it, out of same. will continue to blow everything in same manner for same reason indefinitely.	[19:41]
adlai	there is also miscommunication, exacerbated by the limitations of ascii (give or take a unicode page)	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	yes, there is also miscommunication. like you know, exactly how noise on the channel breaks the jitterbug.	[19:41]
*	adlai shorted his identity to hell, that's not what he's defending...	[19:42]
ascii_rear	i'm kinda curious what ~is~ adlai defending	[19:43]
adlai	i'd put a youtube link to "ideas are bulletproof", but conjuring assbot is noisier than letting people google/recall for themselves.	[19:43]
ascii_rear	my understanding is that he suffered from general-purpose depression on account of not being mircea_popescu - something that happens to most folks here periodically	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	eh that's just plain silly.	[19:44]
ascii_rear	well for a long time he posted interesting lispisms, etc. and then it was suddenly... Vexual	[19:45]
*	adlai wishes it were that simple, the solution for such is even in the logs! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-12-2015#1348638	[19:45]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 19:04:29; asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in the mirror; if you notice that you are not a mircea_popescu,	[19:45]
adlai	perhaps "depression" or "vexual" are not as monochrome as prices on a ticker.	[19:46]
ascii_rear	adlai: shorthand for 'nobody can make sense of wtf this fella is on about'	[19:46]
ascii_rear	fwiw i normally try	[19:46]
adlai	(nor "dope", but that really is too long a story, and resides "in another castle")	[19:46]
ascii_rear	i even (be astonished!) talk to vexual.	[19:46]
ascii_rear	if cats could speak, i would speak to cats.	[19:47]
ascii_rear	(but not homo redditicus.)	[19:47]
*	adlai has Come To Expect (tm) that nobody here shares any of the context which he relies upon, and henceforth [tries] to say pure signal, supported by maximal context, devoid of humor... it's less fun but let's give it a try	[19:47]
ascii_rear	idk i like to think that i grasp some of this context	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	adlai may also be the first humorless jew i ever saw.	[19:48]
adlai	so say we all.	[19:48]
adlai	to trivialize the bulletproof idea which survives[1] long after i'm devoiced, whether by shifting social fashion, failed trades, or failed biology:ⁱ	[19:51]
ascii_rear	adlai: which idea ?	[19:52]
ascii_rear	can we have the idea plox?	[19:52]
adlai	Markets -- while -EV for animals, idiots, and the tone-deaf -- are positive-sum for people who play in tune.	[19:53]
ascii_rear	adlai: this is an old idea, among, e.g., poker players	[19:54]
*	adlai is not talking about 'manipulation', which doesn't exist anyway... that's a fiat fiction	[19:54]
ascii_rear	unless i misunderstand	[19:54]
ascii_rear	(unrelatedly, http://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/25/601b55e7-2c2b-11e4-9e6a-00505685119a/resize/1170x878/39572d42055bb7343015774fcf00cb2d/r-blue.png )	[19:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22Bdna3 )	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	new york right ?	[19:54]
adlai	hmm. honestly, i'm not enough of a poker player to tell (see what i did there?) how this extends to card games.	[19:54]
ascii_rear	( and http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/25/5f3c948f-2c2b-11e4-9e6a-00505685119a/resize/1170x878/1c2cc75d58a9792e63174cd81357265a/n-875f510b0d515f7f42077a1bde7c4ccd.jpg )	[19:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22BdnHi )	[19:54]
*	adlai is talking about markets where people trade one thing for another, and some people try to arbitrage across time or space	[19:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77304 @ 0.00049595 = 38.3389 BTC [+] {2}	[19:55]
adlai	among fiat finance professionals, voicing this idea invariably results in devoicing.	[19:55]
ascii_rear	well sure. market moves money from 'stupid pockets' to 'smart pockets'	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	this is a common delusion of the young. you will notice, nevertheless, that in general funds underperform.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	market has its own definition of stupid and it's never socially palatable.	[19:56]
ascii_rear	no shit	[19:56]
*	adlai points back to the key word: 'trivialize'	[19:56]
adlai	this is a blog post, dissertation, or life's work... not ten hundred words on irc.	[19:56]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_rear	[19:57]
thestringpuller	when did bitcoin-assets become shark tank?	[19:57]
adlai	!up ascii_rear	[19:57]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_rear	[19:57]
adlai	ascii_rear: please prefix porn with "in other news", i almost didn't click!	[19:58]
ascii_rear	l0l	[19:59]
ascii_rear	have some moar, http://www.lowpoly.com/keyboard/tipro_staggered_800.jpg	[19:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22BdF0T )	[19:59]
adlai	somehow, chix with dix doesn't cut it for me	[19:59]
ascii_rear	moar still, http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f64/keyboards-at-teknisk-museum-dansk-t11407.html	[20:00]
assbot	[Photos & video] Keyboards at Teknisk Museum Dansk • deskthority ... ( http://bit.ly/22BdH8I )	[20:00]
ascii_rear	(the standard among connoisseurs appears to be - keyboard you can break a skull with. but i say you oughta be able to break a DOOR)	[20:01]
adlai	ascii_rear: so, re:poker... my guess is that once i'm more familiar with poker, and know how to Win(tm) at it, i'd analogize "positive-sum poker" to penny stock games pretty much 1:1	[20:01]
ascii_rear	and it shouldn't take more than 1-2 blows	[20:01]
adlai	but i lack experience in both fields to make a stronger statement.	[20:01]
ascii_rear	adlai: there are no 'positive-sum' things on planet3, you gotta burn something (or push somebody out of a sunbeam) to run	[20:02]
adlai	but they're all positive-sum, because "feel like a trader"	[20:02]
adlai	the planet as a whole is positive sum, except for brief instances that give enough of an artistic experience that they're worth more than the sunlight they obscure	[20:03]
*	ascii_rear bbl	[20:03]
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*	adlai wonders what the "SLUT XXX" key does... `!s "other news"` perhaps?	[20:04]
adlai	( https://i.imgur.com/GaI8mdC.jpg courtesy of asciilifeform's last link)	[20:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22Be4QK )	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00049562 = 14.5464 BTC [-] {2}	[20:18]
shinohai	http://trannyart.us/images/tranny-art-6.jpg /me thought this was ur gurl http://trannyart.us/images/tranny-art-6.jpg	[20:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22BfydR )	[20:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/22BfydR )	[20:22]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357842	[20:23]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 22:57:51; adlai: somehow, chix with dix doesn't cut it for me	[20:23]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: b-a became shark tank around the time kevin o'leary left cbc's dragon's den :P	[20:23]
pete_dushenski	!rated mod6	[20:23]
assbot	You have not rated mod6.	[20:23]
pete_dushenski	!rate 3 mod6 co-chair of trbf. gentleman.	[20:24]
assbot	3 is not registered in WoT.	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	!rate mod6 3 co-chair of trbf. gentleman.	[20:24]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/49feb75b92cbe172	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mod6.3:ecaf0cac8db3e64cbde65c7cae7c4bdd755719b7604214178db50f9ae402f346	[20:25]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: co-chair of trbf. gentleman.	[20:25]
*	adlai revives-by-mention the thread about "wot poker", wondering what the purpose / whence the pleasure of poker-over-plaintext... most importantly, what tells!?	[20:27]
adlai	for the purposes of this discussion, anything webby/graphic short of a pgp-signed livestream is roughly equivalent to plaintext	[20:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00049562 = 14.7695 BTC [-]	[20:33]
danielpbarron	WoT poker just needs to be like Eulora, in that they only way to play is by first being in the WoT	[20:37]
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danielpbarron	adlai> what's the least you'd be willing to pay for an mpex shuffle generator? << 10k coppers	[20:38]
*	adlai only accepts satoshis (or finished product produced by expenditure of time, cutting out the middleman codeslinger), but apparently there are brokers around	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	good day, tourists	[20:40]
danielpbarron	coppers can be turned into satoshi, although it's not really worth making a transaction over 0.0001 worth	[20:40]
adlai	still, even for people you know personally. isn't computerized interaction too low-dimensional to allow for interesting leakage in a poker game?	[20:40]
danielpbarron	i don't understand the question	[20:41]
ben_vulpes	more relevantly to the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion?	[20:41]
danielpbarron	WoT addresses collusion	[20:41]
danielpbarron	poker designer just needs to serve up well shuffled cards and move the chips around	[20:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00049938 = 4.7441 BTC [+] {2}	[20:42]
danielpbarron	players can sniff out cheaters	[20:42]
ben_vulpes	and how to arbitrate?	[20:42]
ben_vulpes	"danielpbarron sez ur cheeting, out witcha"?	[20:43]
danielpbarron	more like, "i think you're cheating, so i won't sit at any tables with you"	[20:43]
danielpbarron	and make public note via assbot	[20:43]
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*	ben_vulpes can dig	[20:47]
*	adlai is not talking about collusion, but the reason people play poker to begin with: to feel like a poker player (leaving aside the money aspect)	[20:47]
adlai	"most" poker players will lose money, and that's fine. but the few that win it, will have no noobs to fleece, if nobody shows up after a couple games.	[20:48]
danielpbarron	there is plenty of online poker going on, it just isn't in a WoT	[20:50]
mod6	hey thank's pete_dushenski	[20:50]
mod6	*thanks	[20:50]
mod6	which reminds me... i gotta update my wot ratings one of these days.	[20:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00049945 = 6.9174 BTC [+] {2}	[20:51]
ben_vulpes	adlai: d'you intend to do something about the snr complaints?	[20:52]
pete_dushenski	mod6: my pleasure. thank you as well :)	[20:55]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell asciilifeform subkeys ruining someone's day?	[20:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:55]
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phf	hehe, gall looks pretty fucked up in that video	[20:58]
adlai	ben_vulpes: no, i have a death wish and can't translate sarcasm into text.	[20:59]
*	adlai may be noisy at times, but he's not an idiot.	[20:59]
adlai	danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? i'm trying to guage viability... plaintext WoT poker is a weekend project, for me or any lurker looking for one.	[21:01]
mod6	happy new year tmsr~	[21:02]
adlai	ben_vulpes: so, see, that's a tricky question. some people have told me that small offers are noise, and i intend to do roughly zero to address that complaint, because mpex accepts them, so they're signal. if you're asking about psychobabble - of course, although i'll use my judgement, which has been known to differ from that of other people.	[21:02]
adlai	damnit mod6, isn't that a fiat thing? someday trb should fix the calendar, too	[21:03]
adlai	but thank you for reminding me:	[21:05]
mod6	well, time doesn't matter.. it's in the logs.	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.	[21:09]
ben_vulpes	you know where the void is, and the invitation to scream into it probably won't close any time soon.	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	hail satan, smoke meth, write c etc.	[21:10]
*	adlai cat >/dev/random	[21:14]
adlai	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SFFJ0D.txt	[21:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NY6kyD )	[21:19]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:19]
*	adlai pushes to the blog-stack: "Version String Malleability Considered Harmful"	[21:20]
shinohai	Happy New Year ben_vulpes o/	[21:23]
ben_vulpes	hola shinohai	[21:23]
shinohai	Qye hay de bueno? >.>	[21:23]
ben_vulpes	nada.	[21:24]
ben_vulpes	all is void	[21:24]
pete_dushenski	i'm off for the evening. happy 2016 b-a !!!	[21:25]
shinohai	o/ pete_dushenski enjoy your trb node!	[21:25]
adlai	congratulations pete_dushenski !	[21:25]
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ben_vulpes	http://bikeportland.org/2015/12/30/activists-place-traffic-cones-to-improve-safety-of-bike-lane-along-new-orange-line-max-171493 << cascadians taking road rules into their own hands	[21:27]
assbot	Activists use traffic cones to improve safety of bike lane along new Orange Line MAX - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1mU0urn )	[21:27]
shinohai	@ ben_vulpes when you have time some evening I have a very crude bash script I would like you to help me improve.	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	gpg-gram and paste it to me, i'll get to it eventually	[21:29]
shinohai	kk	[21:30]
ben_vulpes	may as well just gpg-gram it to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get to code review before me	[21:31]
*	ben_vulpes amazed to be doing this in b-a now	[21:31]
ben_vulpes	fwiw the rules are simple	[21:31]
ben_vulpes	set -xeu	[21:31]
ben_vulpes	jam discrete bits of side-effect into functions	[21:32]
*	adlai knows bash better than he'd like, would rather have ben_vulpes fix it	[21:32]
ben_vulpes	pass args to functions for anything that might change ever	[21:32]
adlai	isn't this why satoshi spent two years funemployed? so ben_vulpes could have some coin again?	[21:33]
ben_vulpes	for big bash shit (heaven help you) have a single file with the project functions exported, and smaller scripts that import that file and then call the relevant functions	[21:33]
ben_vulpes	shinohai: savvy?	[21:33]
*	ben_vulpes lives in usa, will likely never own coin	[21:34]
shinohai	I like small, so I prefer bash whenever possible.	[21:34]
ben_vulpes	shinohai: anyways i have some time right now so choppa choppa	[21:34]
shinohai	I'm drinking so it may take me a minute to gpg	[21:35]
ben_vulpes	if its onerous skip it	[21:35]
shinohai	I assure you it isn't anything worth all that lol	[21:36]
ben_vulpes	well then skip it	[21:36]
ben_vulpes	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/30/really-rich-people-are-suddenly-paying-quite-a-bit-more-in-taxes/ << http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4tk8aP0s1qdpcoso1_1280.png	[21:36]
assbot	Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more in taxes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABE )	[21:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABO )	[21:37]
*	adlai loves this "I don't own any BTC"-poker... if your paranoia is that bad, you should expatriate.	[21:37]
adlai	(it happens in zion as well, meni is the only guy who owns any btc and everybody else is starving for donations and 'investment' in their shartups)	[21:39]
ben_vulpes	terrorist, extirpate thyself	[21:39]
mats	hes in wot, can buy whenever he pleases	[21:43]
adlai	meni!?	[21:45]
adlai	meni has a) meatwot probably larger than this place ever got (though who knows what the future may hold), and b) no need to ever buy anymore, these days he only sells, or loses them over a game of chess	[21:46]
mats	idk who meni is -- am talking about ben_vulpes	[21:54]
adlai	the main problem with buying btc is not whence, but s/ce//	[21:54]
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ben_vulpes	if you're long and have regular income, dollar-cost-averaging isn't the worst thing in the world.	[22:03]
ben_vulpes	of course one misses out on all the traderfeelz	[22:03]
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*	adlai raises the SNR a little, by "leaking" the address of the local 'bitembassy's ATM: 1DdfiZffjxNypZ6NbLuMP3w84vfzXfxiqc	[22:10]
adlai	lots of DCAs stick a few bills there every week... and a bunch of suspicious types show up with QR code photos to buy obscene amounts with some lame story about online poker	[22:10]
ben_vulpes	what, it only has one?	[22:11]
ben_vulpes	is that its send-from or send-to?	[22:11]
adlai	both. it gets funded periodically, and drains itself down. hot wallets ftw	[22:14]
adlai	(it's a one-way Lamassu, eats bills in return for a QR)	[22:14]
danielpbarron	adlai> danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? << I think it might be fun to play poker in Eulora, in a casino built brick by brick by noob labor	[22:23]
*	TRS80_ (shinohai@ny1.hashbang.sh) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:24]
shinohai	$up TRS80_	[22:24]
shinohai	$game	[22:24]
shinohai	!up TRS80_	[22:24]
*	assbot gives voice to TRS80_	[22:24]
shinohai	$game	[22:24]
TRS80_	shinohai: Donate:1uckyHF7bPLqMhdv3yPtqRu7wE4HrCsaZ, The unique hash for this game is, d4673f586242f70f12e08572c531ff3ad7c572601a64f47123a7a3e213efcada -, Minimum bet is (1 mBTC). Good Luck!, [ 2 ❤ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ J ♣ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , [ T ❤ ] , Rank for your hand is: 6066, Dealing a new hand..., The board:, [ A ♠ ] , [ 6 ♣ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ A ♦ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , Player 1's cards:, [ 8 ♠ ] , [ T ❤ (2 more messages)	[22:24]
shinohai	$part	[22:25]
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adlai	!rated shinohai	[22:25]
assbot	You rated user shinohai on 31-Dec-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: don't hae the player, hae the gae... and don't ever let'em catch you slippin'..	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52443 @ 0.00049955 = 26.1979 BTC [+] {2}	[22:25]
*	adlai awaits S.POKE	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208857 @ 0.00049515 = 103.4155 BTC [-] {7}	[22:26]
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mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000188.html	[22:37]
assbot	[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZDOsAp )	[22:37]
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mod6	;;bc,stat	[23:12]
gribble	Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.	[23:12]
mod6	;;bc,stats	[23:12]
gribble	Current Blocks: 391196 \| Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 \| Next Difficulty In: 1923 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes, and 22 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[23:12]
mod6	;;ticker	[23:15]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 429.3, Best ask: 429.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 429.45, 24 hour volume: 20264.31002025, 24 hour low: 412.5, 24 hour high: 432.59, 24 hour vwap: None	[23:15]
mats	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23c_1451561257	[23:38]
assbot	LiveLeak.com - Extraordinary FSA special forces training ... ( http://bit.ly/1mmYc3V )	[23:38]
mats	'extraordinary'	[23:38]
shinohai	Adobe Flash lel	[23:40]
mats	chromium loads as html5 vidya	[23:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131520 @ 0.00050342 = 66.2098 BTC [+] {3}	[23:49]
shinohai	Last time I tried chromium it was memory hog	[23:57]
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