Forum logs for 30 Jan 2017
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA3B179BB42F3A0ADE007B1DE8AFBCDC17B08E3BCBA4B073B9492FBDF7CDC653 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...6739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.186.114.170 (ssh-rsa key from 212.186.114.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (212-186-114-170.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) | [00:42] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA3B179BB42F3A0ADE007B1DE8AFBCDC17B08E3BCBA4B073B9492FBDF7CDC653 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1675...0733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.186.114.170 (ssh-rsa key from 212.186.114.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (212-186-114-170.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) | [00:42] |
| adlai: | ben_vulpes: literally nothing: "If a defpackage form appears as a top level form, all of the actions normally performed by this macro at load time must also be performed at compile time." | [01:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | looked nutty, ty asciilifeform adlai | [01:21] |
| adlai: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-jan-2017#2224681 << it's in more than one volume of taocp, but "discusses" is a drastic overstatement. he just gives a few "port the aforementioned binary algorithm" exercises. if you're still curious - it's in "Seminumerical Algorithms" | [01:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-07 23:33 gabriel_laddel_p: also, if you could locate the precise knuth book where he discusses balanced ternery, and then find me a warez copy, that would be useful | [01:22] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | !!rate adlai -10 0/10 on homework. Reposts known information in an attempt to appear useful | [01:50] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/AMks2/?raw=true | [01:50] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | !!v 133C6F826EB544F8CB0A159F0A216E4491D9D56EE21251A43B3B5B57BB1771C7 | [01:51] |
| deedbot: | gabriel_laddel_p rated adlai -10 << 0/10 on homework. Reposts known information in an attempt to appear useful | [01:51] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Incidentally, I have a copy of that volume and don't need a link. | [01:53] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | For those who don't read everything, here is the message adlai either ignored or cribbed. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598753 | [01:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-07 23:40 netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: first part of your request is basic google search : https://www.google.fr/search?espv=2&biw=2131&bih=998&tbm=bks&q=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&oq=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&gs_l=serp.3..30i10k1.2454.6331.0.6536.14.13.1.0.0.0.327.1357.10j2j0j1.13.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..1.6.461.HHB-vlpZ1EQ | [01:54] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | A task for anyone who has the time: people have recently (re?)discovered that when you run visible light into a "nanomaterial" with a "grating" whose components are less than the wavelength of light, you get interesting effects. | [01:59] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6290/1190 | [01:59] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Are these effects generalizable across all types of EM wave? | [01:59] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | If not, why? | [01:59] |
| * adlai | should start a collection of these | [02:33] |
| netmonk: | http://ec.europa.eu/smart-regulation/roadmaps/docs/plan_2016_028_cash_restrictions_en.pdf | [04:28] |
| netmonk: | cash restriction proposal from European commision | [04:28] |
| netmonk: | In view of the development of cryptocurrencies and the existence of other means of payments ensuring | [04:47] |
| netmonk: | anonymity, an option could be to extend the restrictions to cash payments to all payments ensuring anonymity | [04:47] |
| netmonk: | (cryptocurrencies, payment in kinds, etc.). | [04:47] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609736 << paywall | [10:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-30 06:59 gabriel_laddel_p: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6290/1190 | [10:04] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw metamaterial lens was promised years ago | [10:05] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that reduction to practice is nontrivial. | [10:05] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852751 | [10:07] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Debian Bug report logs - #852751 | [10:08] |
| asciilifeform: | [cryptkeeper] Sets the same password "p" for everything independently of user input' | [10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | netmonk hey, it worked so well for india... and moreover socialist "europe" SO VERY MUCH wants to be just like india that i'm not at all surprised. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform lol sounds about right. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | the above being the ENTIRETY of "usg cyberwarfare capacity" by the way. that it got idiots (schneier, koch, weimer etc), to write software that sets p as password everywhere independent of user input and then ten million imbecile lusers to use that "because it's what everyone does" where everyone is so defined to exclude everyone sane. | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | supposedly this is an achievement, dunno. | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | that and overflows. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | overflows are pretty much that. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, be that as it may, overflows are actually republic/other fiats speciality. it's how the usg gets owned in general. | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i submit the "fappening" is a fine example of how the usg-ustards close coupling works in practice, because it is. so : usg got all sorts of idiots, including for instance dreamer asset sarah schneider, to take pics of their ass and put on usg.apple cloud. like so : https://rektcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sarah-schneider-naked-2.jpg | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | she did this, no matter how stupid, because usg told her to and when usg says, she does, no matter how stupid. this is the core of her identity, she's not a woman, or a person, or a mother, or anything. she's, first and foremost, good soviet and anything else to the degree there's space (and usg tells her to). | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | then the republic owned the usg.apple platform known as "the cloud" and published her naked ass. and the ustards, to quote, "https://archive.is/0E16N Even if it is her and something gets leaked let's give her and everyone listed the respect to their privacy. Though on this subreddit I'm sure it goes without saying." https://archive.is/0E16N#selection-1687.1-1701.166 | [10:44] |
| asciilifeform: | did i sleep through announcement from obummer where '50 percent off tax if you post yer arse and you're a hot chick' ? | [10:44] |
| asciilifeform: | how did usg 'told her to' | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i was in the situation room" hillaric clinton's case was no different just that in the case of that old hag / usg asset nobody is interested in ass. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform "gotta use smartphone". | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | how did "islam" tell woman to wear shit on her face ? | [10:45] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik smartphone caught on ~because~ lusers like taking photos of own arse rather than imposed so that such. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then, this exact idiocy repeats itself time and again. 1. usg.apple tells ustards to use $item-which-sets-all-passwords-as-p-independent-of-user-input 2. ustards do. 3. republic owns them, and puts them to whatever use more adequate to their tard genes, such as fap fodder, lulzcow, whatever. 4. the usg comes up with a color of your bits "goes without saying". | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the whole comedy, and it's playing again and again and again and again. republic decides us elections ? usg claims putin did it! | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | hurr durr. | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform recall the discussion re apple/"apple" recently ? | [10:47] |
| asciilifeform: | which one? | [10:47] |
| asciilifeform: | we have one maybe every other day | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | usg does not exist and is not held here to signify anything but the "collective abject idiocy" aka "the female mind" aka "the community consensus" etc. it is specifically NOT the case that there exists something even vaguely in the vein you think of (ie, a powerful and directed, self-conscious usg, the "lizard hitler" or such) | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594878 << there. | [10:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-31 18:18 mircea_popescu: "apple", does it make it better if it's "apple" in quotes ? | [10:49] |
| asciilifeform: | 'conscious usg' consists of 1) the weapons systems that still, in some fashion, work 2) the folx servicing them. | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | no weapons systems work. | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | and nobody services them. | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | this was 1990s. 25 years change things. | [10:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that it will not be long to wait, to find out which, if any, work. | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | !#s deterrent | [10:50] |
| a111: | 16 results for "deterrent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deterrent | [10:50] |
| * asciilifeform | brb, teatime | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606632 | [10:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-25 16:10 asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US urged Britain to keep Trident blunder secret. Obama administration ‘feared missile failure put American nuclear deterrent at risk’.' | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. there do exist utterly imbecile "revolutionaries" and "Activists" in the vein described for instance by that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 article. but these are not either powerful or self-conscious. | [10:57] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | they have all the self-determination of the average ferret : if you keep hens in a henhouse it will try and sometimes succeed to get in and suck blood off a few of them. that's it and that's all. there's no ferret poetry, no ferret philosophy, no ferret tools even. exactly like in the case of any orcs, if you see them wearing armor or wielding actual weapons as opposed to "random shit they found in their immediate surrounding | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | s" you know there's a human somewhere helping them. because they, on their own power, are not capable. monkeys, entirely. | [10:58] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/muri_metasurfaces/publications/metalenses-visible-wavelengths-diffraction-limited-focusing-and < full text | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609748 << quantum effects! | [11:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-30 15:05 asciilifeform: i suspect that reduction to practice is nontrivial. | [11:20] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: i get 'connection refused' | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: there is ~always 'a human somewhere helping them'. recall the sakharov thread. | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | not that i've seen. | [11:26] |
| asciilifeform: | or, more recently, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584061 | [11:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: japan got buldozed chiefly because of the utterly immoral attitude of thinking people at the time. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | amusingly the whole "he's black so of course he knows what he's doing" thing in the 70s (which yes, was an actual thing in the heads of all the retarded jew princesses, sarah schneiders of their time both felt they're personally insufficient and imagined they can find the missing parts on their own) | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | is a fine example in this vein. womenz keep looking around for men, can't find any. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it is with the orcs, and so it is with all the inferior life. | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's necessarily more abundant than what it lacks and it does after a fashion shamble about looking for a head to screw on | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | BRAAAAINZZZZZ | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ...for a head to screw on ? or instead for a lion to skin and wear the skin ? | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | from the perspective of the dogvomit these aren't meaningfully different. | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | consider obummer, the long-awaited, at last found, 'black head' | [11:29] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAQmF5V2M2c2ZSRDg/view?usp=sharing | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ty gabriel_laddel_p , loads | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: you really oughta get an actual box to put these on | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | (and for other warez in general) | [11:30] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: Yep. Over CLIM-beirc-wotnet, eventually. | [11:31] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: were you involved with the experiment described in this link ? any thoughts on replicating same in jungle conditions ? | [11:31] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: I was not. And presently have no ideas as to how this would be done in jungle conditions. | [11:32] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | I wonder how hard it would be to "brain parasite" a community college.. | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: dunno that electron beam nanofabrication happens at typical 'community college' | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | and didntcha already infiltrate stanford ? do it there. | [11:34] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | ftr, I was asking if there are comparable effects at EM frequencies other than visible light. I presently have no use for said technology, though it would be fun to replicate. | [11:36] |
| asciilifeform: | or hm, nm, you need atomic layer epitaxy rig. you will need to infiltrate a semiconductor fab. | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude, fun is for rich people. go work. | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: you can test this with bare hands. a metamaterial for long waves is also known as... ordinary waveguide. chandra bose made these in 1890s! | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: i recommend to take the advice of mircea_popescu ! in the sense where it is a waste of brain cycles to , past certain point, design 'atomic dirigible' if you haven't with what to make it, and have no foreseeable approach to it | [11:40] |
| asciilifeform: | the best that can be had from such work is to leave behind 'davinci's notebook' | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | not anymore. that worked then because relatively rare written production. | [11:42] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, modern 'davinci's notebooks' drown in liquishit. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's an overproduction of written material today writing something of that nature is exactly akin to braying in the public market. it helps no one and degrades a scarce resource. | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | consider the difficulty of getting thinking folx to so much as consider al schwartz's parity violator. | [11:43] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: I'm not designing an atomic dirigible. I'm catching up on all the learning I've forsaken over the past four years to build Masamune. Yes, the eventual goal is to make a lispm, but it isn't as if I'm skipping meals to do CPU design. | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: 'catching up on missed learning' would look more like, say, working through exercises in feynman, say | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | rather than salivation over cutting-edge chemistries | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol fabulous, he's dropped that to find a deeper fold to retreat into. who's gonna tell him he's wasting his time NAO BITCH!!!1 | [11:45] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Dropped what? | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude, just because you're male doesn't imply you should try and emulate ascaris lumbricoides. | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | gabriel_laddel_p you're going the wrong direction. you don't need something MORE abstract to dick around with. | [11:46] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | I'm still confused about what I dropped. | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: actually i somehow assumed that you wanted the metalens so as to enable chip microphotography in kitchen conditions | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | (i.e. without electron microscope) | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | it seemed like the obvious reason. | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609827 << what's this ? | [11:47] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-30 16:43 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm not designing an atomic dirigible. I'm catching up on all the learning I've forsaken over the past four years to build Masamune. Yes, the eventual goal is to make a lispm, but it isn't as if I'm skipping meals to do CPU design. | [11:47] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell BingoBoingo plox to PM regarding possible submission when available thx | [11:48] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [11:48] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | mircea_popescu: me not dropping anything? | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a contradiction. | [11:48] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | I was adding support for shapefiles and svgs earlier today because the "base layer" of masamune is complete, and I can now rely on it to grow with me moving forwards. | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | o you were ? | [11:50] |
| trinque: | hmph! | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | gabriel_laddel_p: out of curiosity, how did you go about this? (wrote svg parser from scratch? ...or welded on heathen crapola?) | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | and why svg? why not own vector graphics format, made of sexpr ? | [11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform incidentally i fully expect whoever does the graphing work to end up with the core of what will be tmsr sexpr svg in the end. | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | speaking of which phf you still working on that ? | [11:55] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | http://imgur.com/a/g1Dod | [11:55] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: I'm updating an incomplete svg parser someone else wrote + tying it to open government datasets. | [11:56] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | .svgs are essentially paths you can feed to CLIM:DRAW-POLYGON* | [11:56] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | shapefiles are heathen nonsense, but it turns out they can be easily converted to json, which CL has plenty of parsers for. | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | mkay. i don't think this is working out for me. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rated gabriel_laddel_p | [11:59] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 at 2016/12/01 18:38:14 << Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rate gabriel_laddel_p -1 turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head. | [11:59] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8JXSw/?raw=true | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!v 28C3E30ED398C25E1278E3DA033B40FB223310615BBD27A87B3E2512D89559BB | [12:00] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu updated rating of gabriel_laddel_p from 1 to -1 << turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head. | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | in other shitwares, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2015-October/msg00047.html | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | 'The usual advice given on the forums now is just to start Gimp running and then leave it alone - don't even touch the keyboard or the mouse, just get up, walk away and go do something else for at least an hour.(Yes, really!) When you come back, Gimp will probably be up and running and you will then have no further problems.' | [12:09] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | mircea_popescu: ? | [12:09] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | mircea_popescu: Would you mind explaining why what I'm doing constitutes "banging my head"? | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mb1.png http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mb2.png << finally found practical use for thermocamera: fast search for bad caps.. | [12:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol, well done alf | [12:32] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, http://www.rigelcorp.com/fiberoptic.htm << i dun think i can make'em cheaper than this. | [12:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ anyone test this particular part ? | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform nope | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | how did you find it anyway ? | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p review your record. what have you made that i currently use ? useful means useful, and you're not it. that you're not it in spite of allegedly being capable rather than because incapable does not speak in your favour but on the contrary. | [13:18] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. | [13:18] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: yandex iirc. | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | found also others but that one is cheapest. (though could, now that i think about it, be cheaper still if it omitted the max232 and just spoke raw ttl 0-5v instead of proper rs232.) | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ah, no, i did test it. the converter is cheap, which means cheap. low q optics. | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: the application i am considering does not call for ultra-sensitive optics, though. 'normal people' use fiber to talk over multiple km. in my case -- a few metres, max. | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | perfectly adequate for even 10 meter long lines. i dunno why in my head it was "multikm" | [13:21] |
| asciilifeform: | also apparently toslink comes with ~terrifyingly~ bad receivers, they have too much jitter to work with raw unprocessed rs232, need a manchester encoder. | [13:22] |
| asciilifeform: | and also they have large (comparatively) plugs, which means a ~1cm hole in shield enclosure. | [13:22] |
| asciilifeform: | better imho to use standard fiber and screw jacks, as seen in linked item. | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're going to do this, better use led epoxy'd into laser cut (or sharp exacto knife cut) fibers. | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | then you only need hole as big as the fiber. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | you don't need laser for 'few metres' | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, but if you have it already. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ftr i have nfi what gimp these people use, but it does not sound like anything i ever used. | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mac | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well. | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | the best advice for mactard is to walk away from the box for an hour, a day or ideally forever. | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | https://shop.mikroe.com/click/interface/fiber-opt-33v << finally, what i had in mind. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ with schematic. | [13:47] |
| * asciilifeform | bought a set, will test and post result. | [14:05] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: top sekret project? | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: just obvious line of inquiry | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | tested a 'BUD Industries' cast aluminum and elastic conductor gasket rf box , recently, incidentally. | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | worx great. | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | (most elementary test: place pnojes, and other small but reasonably powerful rf-emitting gadgets inside, and try and connect to'em) | [14:07] |
| * asciilifeform | idly wonders if at the end of this experiment he will end up with physically ~same box as what mircea_popescu made. | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems to be going that way. | [14:24] |
| asciilifeform: | oddly enough, the biggest conundrum in 'make a microwaveable comp' seems to be... the power switch | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | so far best i can think of is a third fiber (on top of usual rx and tx) connected to phototransistor and power fet. | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | runner up is reed switch and magnet. | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | there is also mercury tilt switch, then entire unit becomes own power switch | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | but has down-sides, can waste battery during transport. | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | and will probably get the owner gassed immediately in any airport. | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | (picture what this'd look like on xray) | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | a... bomb. | [14:47] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, stereotypical, 'not even trying to be subtle' bomb | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | probably adequate even for the automated image recognition nonsense to ring the bell. | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | (ever see the test boxes the scanner vendors include ? they're more or less this, iron box with battery, wires, mercury switch...) | [14:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up walter_ | [14:56] |
| deedbot: | walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | betcha you couldn't even ~mail~ this gadget, much less take on airplane. | [14:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | walter_: Who is your daddy and what does he do? | [14:56] |
| walter_: | I quite didn't expect that question | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up walter_ | [15:03] |
| deedbot: | walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. | [15:03] |
| walter_: | Hi all. Thanks for the +v. Missed this channel. | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and who might you be ? | [15:03] |
| walter_: | right now I'm a trilema.com reader wondering why this: http://trilema.com/robots.txt | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~google "ia_archiver" | [15:04] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: Alexa's Web and Site Audit Crawlers – Alexa Support: <https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200450194-Alexa-s-Web-and-Site-Audit-Crawlers> ia_archiver user-agent / bot - BotReports.com: <http://www.botreports.com/i/iaarchiver.shtml> ia_archiver : to block or not to block? - Alternative Search ...: <https://www.webmasterworld.com/forum16/921.htm> | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. because piece of shit. | [15:04] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 ?? | [15:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads? | [15:05] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577755 | [15:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-05 14:07 mircea_popescu: in which vein, register a key first. | [15:06] |
| walter_: | mircea_popescu, I would ban that too, but looks it also affects archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://trilema.com/* | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | that is a benefit. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | archive.org belongs the same place wikipedia.org belongs. | [15:07] |
| walter_: | the USA? | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | same place the written record left by the hittite empire went. | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | they call it lethe. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a river down south. | [15:09] |
| walter_: | "the Lethe flowed around the cave of Hypnos and through the Underworld, where all those who drank from it experienced complete forgetfulness" | [15:10] |
| walter_: | sorry not sure I understood | [15:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | Are you sure? | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | he just said he's not sure | [15:12] |
| walter_: | I'm too stupid for the puzzle. What's wrong with archive.org? | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | run by terrorists. i prefer archive.is | [15:18] |
| walter_: | I'm archiving important stuff recently, and noticed trilema.com responses do not contain Last-Modified header. Is it on purpose? | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | not really | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | though trilema articles don't actually change. do you mean the root ? or the comments ? | [15:30] |
| walter_: | any page | [15:31] |
| walter_: | e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah ' what i'm asking is, are you trying to get a signal when there's new comments ? because otherwise trilema articles do not change. | [15:33] |
| walter_: | oh, no. I'm using wget to save websites locally. It relies on Last-Modified to know if it should re-download the page. | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it shouldn't. | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up walter_ | [15:34] |
| deedbot: | walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. | [15:34] |
| walter_: | but it does, because the header is missing | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so is it buggy then ? | [15:35] |
| walter_: | from HTTP and wget perspective, I'd say yes | [15:36] |
| walter_: | but this is so common in the internet to ignore Last-Modified that you could argue ) | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | your tool i mean. since it's redownloading when it shouldn't. | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | if a website doesn't provide "last modified", is it logical to assume that it never changes or that it just changed ? | [15:38] |
| walter_: | there's no way to tell | [15:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if a girl is passed out, is it logical to assume she's not into getting laid, or that she's really wet for you, or also no way to tell ? | [15:38] |
| walter_: | I'd say the proper way would be for articles to "change" when new comments are added, so the page would be re-downloaded | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem would be that because of how the theme works with the recent comments thing all articles "change" whenever a new comment is added/ | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno. in truth the maintenance of mp-wp is a bit in the air right now but if you want to make a patch by all means. | [15:54] |
| walter_: | oh I get it now. There's a "recent comments" section that ruins the idea | [15:54] |
| walter_: | since its dynamic content | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | kind-of. | [15:55] |
| walter_: | I'm afraid I cannot patch a PHP website. I can only suggest that it gains the ability to respond Last-Modified, perhaps at the cost of removing the dynamic section (should be fine as a separate page) | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ok, but what's that do. | [15:56] |
| walter_: | that would allow to optimize syncing of local website copy with the origin | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | no i mean, the suggesting. | [15:57] |
| walter_: | oh.. nothing I guess | [15:57] |
| walter_: | what I'm thinking is how to efficiently replicate and update a copy of a website, to protect from e.g. somebody taking down the site, and banning archive.is in my country | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, run a wget, you have the whole list of articles conveniently given in archives. | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | then burn it on a cd or such | [16:00] |
| walter_: | right. That's what I'm doing usually. The problem is updating for new articles. The "sync" takes thousands of HTTP requests | [16:01] |
| walter_: | I usually add delays to not overload the server, so it runs quite long | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | there must be some way to tell wget to not get files you already have. | [16:02] |
| walter_: | there is | [16:02] |
| walter_: | its doable even without Last-Modified | [16:02] |
| walter_: | but not as good ofc | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not just the recent comments headers change daily also. | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: iirc there is only 'no-clobber' | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | which isn't quite it, iirc it still fetches (why? nfi) the unwanted files. | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483213 << the last wget thread. | [16:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-16 01:12 mircea_popescu: they're on a different domain, as per wordpress idiocy. and wget is apparently written by imbeciles. | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh i c | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | quite typical opensores proggy. | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i guess in desperation bash script to curl for trilema.com/2016/ and then hit each article once. | [16:07] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/LANB0 | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Impeachment is gaining ground because it is the only way to get him out, and because Republicans are already deserting this president in droves, and because the man is psychiatrically incapable of checking whether something is legal before he does it.' | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | unlike bahamas, of course | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | who had the da lie before the supreme court. | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | "the tax that's not a tax" very psychiatrically sound. | [16:09] |
| asciilifeform: | 'They are running for cover on how to kill ObamaCare without killing patients or Republican re-election hopes.' | [16:09] |
| asciilifeform: | lulzy piece. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is safe to say the non-sanctioned republican party wll spend the remainder of its short, unappy life running for an ever more evanescent cover. | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | which isn't particularily surprising, who the fuck actually wants kerry or mccain. | [16:10] |
| trinque: | so, it's gaining ground because an online "petition" ? | [16:12] |
| trinque: | great job, huffpo | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | don't tell me you don't understand "how the world works". | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're gonna say it as if it's fact on the basis of the hordes of idiots they spawned not being capable of distinguishing fact from writ from fiction. if it catches on good if not the "democrat" socialist horde has no memory anyway, so they'll be right there next week importantly sprouting a novel ream of nonsense. as if it were fact as if they mattered. | [16:13] |
| trinque: | by now "we did it, reddit!" has leaked into every other rag on the net | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | then walter_ is gonna ask me about standards, apparently on the basis of his impression that such a thing as standards can even exist without l1 signing off. | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | and, of course, no matter what fucking happens, http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | because, of course, "Sepan los nacidos y los que van nacer que nacimos para vencer y no para ser vencidos." | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | and bla bla. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | incredible that we're still stuck fighting the fucking spanish. won't these idiots just go die already ? they fucked up an empire five centuries ago they're still here looking for gifted empires to fuck up. | [16:20] |
| asciilifeform: | in other heathenlulz, http://litecoinblockhalf.com/segwit.php | [17:48] |
| * asciilifeform | somewhat astonished that litecoin still exists | [17:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: BBQcoin to my knowledge still "exists" | [17:52] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/01/reminder-hussein-bahamas-banned-iraqi-refugees-by-executive-order-in-2011/ << Qntra - Reminder: Hussein Bahamas Banned Iraqi Refugees By Executive Order In 2011 | [17:53] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: still emits blocks regularly..? | [17:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Don't care enough to look | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | republic of china also still exists! | [18:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | But the shitlords at the UN took their seat away and gave it to the Chicoms! | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [18:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | Diesel piss injector fluid https://i.redditmedia.com/SMPez8fdNyAiv6Hm8DGnZXbNlvEGMYa1bJYj9MkpMwI.jpg?w=1024&s=3f037d128b77330e4d2b5457e7468484 | [19:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | going to bounce logs.bvulpes.com a few times here shortly | [19:12] |
| asciilifeform: | !~later tell danielpbarron your www is down ? | [19:16] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [19:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: for a few days now, i think he's waiting for me to cough a mp-wp up | [19:17] |
| asciilifeform: | aah | [19:19] |
| danielpbarron: | yz | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron: | sorry about that, but all of my posts are archived.is'd if you need something in particular | [19:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | (maint over) | [19:24] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F48F4BA0B89F3E84569480B01FA33F546777F7755B42719B1AFBF70F96BF4444 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1651...8113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.222.228.149 (ssh-rsa key from 176.222.228.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown CZ ST) | [20:43] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F48F4BA0B89F3E84569480B01FA33F546777F7755B42719B1AFBF70F96BF4444 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1357...2489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.222.228.149 (ssh-rsa key from 176.222.228.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown CZ ST) | [20:43] |
| * ben_vulpes | waves at asciilifeform | [20:49] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-28#1609084 << http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-1-31#5d50b877-ab20-45e2-a046-58727868025f | [20:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-28 04:46 asciilifeform: or nm, just drops 'actions' | [20:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | pheexd. | [20:51] |
| trinque: | oya? | [21:00] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: neato | [21:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque puzzlingly enough subclassing logbot and defining an ircbot-connect :after method to add the relevant hook (ctcp-action-message, in case anyone is looking for cl-irc action message hooks later) did not result in a hook landing in the connection object that the message-dispatcher would poop into | [21:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | so the patch is currently sitting in logbot code | [21:11] |
| trinque: | dunno why an :after wouldn't work | [21:14] |
| trinque: | there's an :around but it's politely calling call-next-method | [21:14] |
| trinque: | I don't think I'd want to subclass for that though, whole thing just needs to fart raw protocol lines into the db | [21:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | no disagreement on that point. | [21:16] |
| simonpenner: | so what all bitcoin stuff do you all get up to here | [21:18] |
| simonpenner: | since I'm noticing this trend | [21:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow that was a broken question. try again ? | [21:18] |
| asciilifeform: | from the dept. of wtf : https://www.adacoin.io/Home/pageContent/introduction | [21:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other news opengl managed to break my machine. gooo team gui! | [21:19] |
| asciilifeform: | this has gotta be the most elaborate heathen shannonization of the l0gz to date | [21:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: wowee | [21:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | ada /and/ cardano? | [21:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | "why don't they like us yet?!" | [21:19] |
| asciilifeform: | and who knows wat else | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i think we should just stop playing now, dat usg is just too competent. | [21:20] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently!! | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | suspicious lack of pr0n though. | [21:20] |
| ben_vulpes: | > NAN BILLION TOTAL ADA EXCHANGED BY NOW | [21:20] |
| asciilifeform: | i can't picture this being the only one , also | [21:20] |
| asciilifeform: | ZILLION GOSSIPD EXCHANGED!! | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i like the font. | [21:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | nanananananananan | [21:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | WATMAN | [21:21] |
| trinque: | where's the upward inflecting graph? hacks | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i also like the game development <-> apple / google arrow schematics. | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think it has potential. | [21:22] |
| ben_vulpes: | my dong has potential | [21:22] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: i don't have the appetite for the protocol-level patch atm | [21:22] |
| asciilifeform: | wonder if this was kako's Seekrit Project | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes your dong actually has offspring what. | [21:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | i thought that was an ice cream shop | [21:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: moar spawn, moar potential | [21:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: nah that was pre-braindamage kako | [21:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a good point | [21:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: i briefly looked at https://github.com/jorams/birch but it smells like new | [21:24] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey hey hey lbj: | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://cardano.io | [21:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | lolwtf | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | 'A decentralized network system fully-utilizing Blockchain in every aspect, aims at solving current difficulties faced by key cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, preventing from frauds and money-laundering, ID management and being a mediator with taxing/administrative system in various countries. | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | In this network system, Blockchain is used for managing development and release of game applications, players matching, game fairness and payment function.' | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | there is so much js on that page my poor computer cannot cope | [21:26] |
| trinque: | ben_vulpes: I'd rather get some gossipd work rolling than put any more effort into hugging the IRC turd tighter | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | scrolling at three frames per second! | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: aye, witcha | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | the odd surgical cut ain't so bad | [21:26] |
| trinque: | we could implement the stuff ircbot actually uses in cl-irc as one macro, a socket, and a ping/pong loop | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: it's optimized for crapplepad | [21:26] |
| trinque: | but, works | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: where it renders beautifully | [21:27] |
| asciilifeform: | brain-melting. | [21:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | this is a crapbook! | [21:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | no man js like that is never optimized | [21:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | it is always cobbled together out of five different wordpress themes and four javascript libraries | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ^ | [21:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | i recently saw a wp plugin also pull some near-mb of jsolade in to serve a modal | [21:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | *present* a modal | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | which one is the modal again ? | [21:28] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate, if somebody feels like a bit of exercise -- would be hilarious, to learn whothefuck, and wai | [21:28] |
| asciilifeform: | and eulora.io when | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform nobody because why not. you're welcome. | [21:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu delivers. | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's also a band which thinks it's tmsr and other such things. there is, as previously mentioned, a small island thinks itself "the republic of china". | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | way of the usg. | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a "ukraina" which does ~same as the "us army" does, ie steiner angriffs every other day. | [21:30] |
| asciilifeform: | polish government in exile!!1111 | [21:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | which reminds me, i had a dream last night, mosul had been actually conquered by teh coalitioderacy of dounces and they were rebuilding it. | [21:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | in kansas. | [21:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | living arab museum! complete with sectarian warfare! | [21:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | put it a mile down the road from the amish | [21:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | wcgw (tm) (r) | [21:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. the locals were kinda wtf, why does there have to be an "artificial river" ie this muddy trench and they gotta wear weird clothes | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | "but whatever, benefits are ok, i got dental..." | [21:32] |
| asciilifeform: | hey there's already williamsburg. | [21:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | renn fair derps could work the gate for food | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | nobody could speak arabic but "they had been told" by a politruk it's ok to go blawhahelabalawala while waving arms in air | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | so they mostly did | [21:33] |
| asciilifeform: | (18th c. theme park) | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yeah i think this was mostly dreamscape reinterpretation of my one time at some renaissance faire. | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: ever hear the ru they 'speak' in american films? | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i always wanted to know, who came up with that. | [21:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, you should hear the latin they speak at "ivy league" "classics". | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | unfortunately i have | [21:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly same person came up with both. | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | blawhahelabalawala! | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | hey it was on trilema.io!!! | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | must be tru. | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think the trilema.io is actually trilema.com or something. | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | nope? | [21:36] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a null it seems | [21:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh ? im sure there was something | [21:36] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate, Unknown Hero wins asciilifeform's bronze trololol'o'today medal | [21:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | "First, we're releasing a database migration tool that lets you migrate data from your Parse app to any MongoDB database" << oh that's kind of you | [21:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | "our developer finger trap didn't work at all, so we're going to get you stuck in this other one" | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Parse' ? | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform: | wassat | [21:39] |
| ben_vulpes: | near as i ever figured out, some heinous mishmash of "totally not localstorage" and "mongo" "in the cloud" | [21:39] |
| ben_vulpes: | "db for mobile apps" | [21:39] |
| ben_vulpes: | i mean what, a rest api can't be *that* damagingly expensive for a well-funded sv startup | [21:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | and if it is, compiling libpq into your app and generating keys client side is trivial | [21:40] |
| * mircea_popescu | imagines how sad things would have been if the computers of the 1990s were tablets instead. | [21:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | blech | [21:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: it's all inane insider baseball from the gilded cage | [21:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | > insider babble | [21:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | anyways, survived train ride without rupturing bladder. now to sea of dopamine, ttyl | [21:41] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i actually had an msdos tablet | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | i shit thee not | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | 'ncr penpad', from dumpster | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | was it any good ? | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | it got me into badhabit of 'comp in bed' | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | so in that sense, terrible | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | otherwise spiffy. 20MB hdd! | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform: | b&w lcd, 640x480 with reflector (no lamp) | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform: | 386 20MHz iirc. | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform: | sufficed for plenty of things. | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | https://randoc.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/ncr-3125/ << heeere we go | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | photo. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | that thing was ~glorious~. | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | esp to a kid who never even saw a laptop close-up | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can see it | [21:55] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/30/business/the-executive-computer-what-a-more-powerful-pen-based-computer-can-do.html << vintage propaganda re subj | [21:58] |
| asciilifeform: | lulzily, the only i/o was... laplink! | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had a ~9 lb laptop cca 1995 that could almost play master of orion | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing sucked. | [22:04] |
| asciilifeform: | games were a ~nonstarter on old lappies, dualscan lcd! | [22:34] |
| asciilifeform: | 'snail trail' | [22:34] |
| asciilifeform: | btw i nearly forgot, that pen box had 100% STEEL case | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | hence the astonishing weight | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | where do i buy a steel lappy nao? | [23:46] |
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