Forum logs for 30 Apr 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.000725 = 10.9113 BTC [-] | [00:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.302 BTC [-] | [00:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.302 BTC [-] | [00:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.305 = 22.185 BTC [+] | [00:03] |
rikur | http://bitbet.us/bet/337/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-may-1st/ should be resolved as first miners have already been delivered and they are within +-10% of advertised specs (5.5 GH/s (+- 10% running variance)) | [00:04] |
ThickAsThieves | if so, then the July one is also resolved | [00:06] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 98 @ 0.00338 = 0.3312 BTC [-] | [00:13] |
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rikur | ThickAsThieves: agreed | [00:19] |
rikur | both should be resolved | [00:19] |
rikur | I only have a small vote on the May one :) | [00:20] |
rikur | very risky bet, but seems like it paid off | [00:20] |
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ThickAsThieves | it will be debated surely | [00:23] |
ThickAsThieves | not sure which side I would lean toward | [00:24] |
ThickAsThieves | they do appear to have shipped more than just testing units | [00:24] |
ThickAsThieves | they use more power than originally anticipated | [00:24] |
ThickAsThieves | but the bet says "advertised specs" | [00:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.3045 = 13.045 BTC [-] | [00:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3049 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | you know in retrospect... that aethero post | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.305 = 11.745 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
ThickAsThieves | and does not limit when those specs can be advertised | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not even sure what's the take away. the dazzling display of paranoia | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3075 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3099 = 2.6198 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
ThickAsThieves | it was probly just a diversion | [00:25] |
deadweasel | it's really thick on that post. somebody is using too many drugs. | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.30997 = 13.0997 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | or the fact that bitcoin "businesses" and "infrastructure" are so shitty someone could end up with the impression he's being targetted | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | whereas they just naturally fail to work | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.30998 = 13.0998 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.312499 = 3.9375 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.3199 = 39.597 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.32 = 3.96 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.32 BTC [+] | [00:26] |
deadweasel | an unhealthy dose of paranoia and a shitty infrastructure = ranting and raving. | [00:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.32475 BTC [+] | [00:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 36 @ 0.00328 = 0.1181 BTC [+] | [00:28] |
savetheinternet | hey dumbasses | [00:28] |
savetheinternet | how are you all doing tonight | [00:29] |
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jurov | fine till you arrived | [00:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.199 = 0.398 BTC [-] | [00:30] |
ThickAsThieves | it's "Dumas" | [00:34] |
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dub | mircea_popescu: I got a distinctly manic response from him when I asked his wife about the legality of her internet bakery | [00:35] |
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rikur | ThickAsThieves: the product page has never mentioned any wattage, just GH/s. I pre-ordered products twice and never saw wattage mentioned anywhere, so if you ask me the No voters are just coming up with excuses. | [00:37] |
dub | mircea_popescu: this was 6 months or so back, I assumed there was a train wreck coming at that point | [00:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 1.9011 = 26.6154 BTC [-] | [00:39] |
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ThickAsThieves | rikur, I could swear that there used to be power specs on the page, also that the advertised GHs used to be higher for some products | [00:40] |
ThickAsThieves | however even if so, what's advertised now, is still techincally meeting the terms of the bet text | [00:41] |
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ThickAsThieves | as it does not specify which specs advertised would be used | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | i think it was said a thousand times that a. specs are hash and power and b. the specs at the time of the bet count | [00:41] |
ThickAsThieves | its not said in the bet | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | it is, inasmuch as it doesn't say otherwise. | [00:42] |
ThickAsThieves | does that mean if specs were changed in the advertisment before the newer bets, that those specs will be referred to? | [00:43] |
FabianB_ | !t m S.MPOE | [00:43] |
kakobrekla | they were advertising 1gh/w | [00:43] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067147 / 0.00070786 / 0.00073602 (795906 shares, 563.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00064 / 0.00069667 / 0.00073762 (2506507 shares, 1,746.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00069187 / 0.00073891 (10333478 shares, 7,149.47 BTC) | [00:43] |
kakobrekla | big time | [00:43] |
kakobrekla | you cant go around that | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves which do you mean ? | [00:43] |
ThickAsThieves | not sure when they changed teh advertised specs | [00:44] |
jborkl | they, since last year- have advertised 1gh/w | [00:44] |
ThickAsThieves | but if a bet was made after that | [00:44] |
jborkl | only recent changed | [00:44] |
ThickAsThieves | then should not those specs be used | [00:44] |
ThickAsThieves | made = created | [00:44] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: you can check the internet archive for the webby around the time the bet was made, no difference at all IIRC | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | well, since now bfl is not only a scammy piece of shit on all the other counts, | [00:44] |
ThickAsThieves | and how do we determine what date the specs advertised were changed | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | but also on the count of altering specs | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | i would guess only bets clearly specifying it would be allowed. | [00:44] |
jborkl | I do not have a bet at all | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | at the time these bets were allowed bfl hadn | [00:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.32000001 = 0.64 BTC [+] | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | 't pulled this particular dirty trick yet. | [00:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.32 = 5.76 BTC [-] | [00:45] |
jborkl | but to me it would be clear that the specs are failed for the bet | [00:45] |
ThickAsThieves | rikur you are wrong | [00:45] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm pretty sure specs changed | [00:45] |
jborkl | the Jala is much faster than specd and uses much more power | [00:45] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: just check the internet archive | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | fascinating what people are willing to say for a dime thi. | [00:45] |
ThickAsThieves | no thanks | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | rikur you are lieing and you know it, stop already. | [00:45] |
ThickAsThieves | wayback machine sux | [00:46] |
ThickAsThieves | its only marginally useful | [00:46] |
ThickAsThieves | particularly on dynamic pages | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/pXyy3.pngand | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/5MBoA.png | [00:46] |
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rikur | ThickAsThieves: you apparently don't know how the wayback machine works | [00:47] |
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ThickAsThieves | more that i dont care | [00:47] |
ThickAsThieves | but sure | [00:47] |
ThickAsThieves | you got me | [00:47] |
rikur | mircea_popescu: sorry but no I | [00:48] |
rikur | m not :) | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | quite clearly stated on their own forum. release specs : jalapeno 4.5 at 4.5 ; single 60 at 60 mini 1500 at 1500 | [00:48] |
ThickAsThieves | rikur did you look at those images mp just linked? | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | it's in the screenshot and ffs everyone knows it already. | [00:48] |
kakobrekla | also says _FINAL_ spec | [00:48] |
rikur | But I hope whoever resolves it really goes through the arguments and doesn't just pick one on a whim | [00:48] |
ThickAsThieves | i do think them changing the specs advertised is sneaky | [00:49] |
ThickAsThieves | and would find it amusing if that turned the bet | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves ya, well, bitbet isn't betsofbitcoin | [00:49] |
jborkl | it also is running at 5.8 gh on average - so it fails at 5gh bet also | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | also, rikur, it is not in your best interest to rush bet resolution | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | just in case BFL fixes the specs | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | and meets original claims | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | more obviously | [00:50] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: those posts are from last year, when the bet was created the product page only advertised GH/s. | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | what are they doing anyway, 28 gh/s at 150w or ? | [00:51] |
ThickAsThieves | prove it | [00:51] |
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jborkl | Jalapeno is doin 5.8 and approx 30w | [00:51] |
kakobrekla | rikur so you would have been ok with a box of gpus? | [00:51] |
ThickAsThieves | also, its likely that the forum posts stille xist | [00:51] |
ThickAsThieves | or are quoted | [00:52] |
ThickAsThieves | is a forum post an advertisement? | [00:52] |
kakobrekla | http://i.imgur.com/pXyy3.png | [00:52] |
kakobrekla | this is. | [00:52] |
ThickAsThieves | it does say "announcem,ent" | [00:52] |
kakobrekla | ... | [00:53] |
rikur | but not advertisement :) | [00:53] |
rikur | http://web.archive.org/web/20130404210143/https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage/5-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html | [00:53] |
kakobrekla | ofc is advertisment | [00:53] |
kakobrekla | its their forum | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | why does someone care about the 4 april 2013 snapshot ? | [00:53] |
rikur | That's the oldest Jalopeno page on wayback machine, it's after the bet but hey, it's better than nothing. Do you have a product page that has wattage mentioned anywhere? Didn't think so :p | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | so wait wait. | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | it | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | 's after the bet but hey ? | [00:54] |
ThickAsThieves | ^ | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | Y and 11 others followed you | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | dude i'm hot stuff. | [00:54] |
kakobrekla | well you can see the jalapeno went from 1 usb cable | [00:54] |
kakobrekla | to 2 usb cables | [00:54] |
rikur | mircea_popescu: please show me a single product page link that has wattage mentioned, from any date. If you don't have one, I think the April 4th link is valuable :) | [00:54] |
kakobrekla | to usb cable and a brick | [00:54] |
rikur | kakobrekla: has nothing to do with performance though :) | [00:55] |
jborkl | mircea_popescu, it is running at 5.8 -from very reliable sources - so the bet is a fail | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | so you think the link is valuable, good for you. | [00:55] |
kakobrekla | it has | [00:55] |
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kakobrekla | peformance is gh/s/w | [00:55] |
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rikur | jborkl: wrong, the advertised performance was with +-10% variance and the bet said that it has to be +-10% of that | [00:55] |
deadweasel | also, it should not crap out in two weeks time.. | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl tbh, the +- there is to be construed in their favour. at least this hash, no more than this wattage sort of thing. | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | accually | [00:56] |
deadweasel | that will be interesting... which bfl catches fire first? | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | the case was not in the 10% | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think they'd count as failed for overdelivering | [00:56] |
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kakobrekla | case is much bigger | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | peformance is also density | [00:56] |
rikur | kakobrekla: size of a unit has nothing to do with performance, don't be silly | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | sure | [00:56] |
jborkl | oh, I would have rear the bet +- of 5gh or we | [00:56] |
jborkl | read | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | your boatload of bfl jalapeno has arrived : http://www.imageblog.co.nz/images/20111018014140_failboatrena.jpg | [00:57] |
kakobrekla | rikur they failed on so many levels you can just pick one favourite | [00:57] |
ThickAsThieves | ta-da https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/117-announcement-bfl-asic-release-specifications.html | [00:57] |
jborkl | well, it was supposed to warm coffee also, it failed there also | [00:58] |
kakobrekla | yep. | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves rikur still thinks the web archive is valuable. | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | "Power figures are +/- 10% of those listed while we finish optimizing our power subsystem." << that's where the 10% came from im pretty sure. | [00:58] |
ThickAsThieves | rikur, what say you: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/117-announcement-bfl-asic-release-specifications.html | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | as in, whoever put the bets in trying to match whatever bfl was claiming at the time | [00:58] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: that's not an an advertisement. Forum moderators claims/behaviour can't be used against a company in court. | [01:00] |
rikur | It's not just in case of BFL, but for any forum posts | [01:00] |
ThickAsThieves | what does court have to do with it | [01:00] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: they're the ones that eventually solve conflicts | [01:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4749 = 4.749 BTC [+] | [01:01] |
mircea_popescu | the account is called BFL_office ;'/ | [01:01] |
rikur | I might sue bitbet.us over this for sure :) | [01:01] |
mircea_popescu | bwahaha | [01:01] |
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ThickAsThieves | ad·ver·tise·ment [ad-ver-tahyz-muhnt, ad-vur-tis-muhnt, -tiz-] noun | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | 1. a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, etc. | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | 2. a public notice, especially in print. | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | 3. the action of making generally known; a calling to the attention of the public | [01:01] |
rikur | mircea_popescu: it only costs <300$ and I would win more bitcoins in this case, so it would be worth a shot | [01:01] |
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mircea_popescu | rikur http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/O/OrganizedPseudolegalCommercialArgumentLitigant.aspx | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | that's the term of art. | [01:02] |
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rikur | mircea_popescu: thanks, but I know my rights well enough | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | the problem would seem to be you imagine much more than you know. | [01:03] |
rikur | sure | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | rikur, your only argument is that the bet does not state what date of advertisement would be used, and you already see where mp lies on that | [01:03] |
rikur | ThickAsThieves: nope, my argument is that the product page has never advertised wattage and I know this since I've ordered from them twice. | [01:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.00343999 = 0.0103 BTC [+] | [01:04] |
ThickAsThieves | your anecdotal experience is not a factor | [01:04] |
rikur | thus wayback machine | [01:04] |
kakobrekla | where you ordered it from and what you have read has nothing to do with what they stated | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | it's not just up to MP tho, he has a crew that decided the resolution | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | so cross your fingers | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | or tamper the jury pool | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | or stop | [01:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.679 = 1.358 BTC [+] | [01:05] |
rikur | no like I said I just hope that they realy look into the arguments properly and take their time to resolve it in a fair way | [01:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.4571 = 8.2278 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | they will | [01:06] |
kakobrekla | or sue, obviously | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | betty sue | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | peggy sue | [01:06] |
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ThickAsThieves | a boy named sue | [01:06] |
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kakobrekla | btw, i just revived https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.msg1979975#msg1979975 | [01:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+] | [01:08] |
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ThickAsThieves | <+AssetBot> [Cado.AvalonB3] 1 @ 0.05000000 = 0.05000000 [+] | [01:16] |
ThickAsThieves | and you thought people were overpaying for blades | [01:16] |
ThickAsThieves | that is 1/11000 of an Avalon | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea what that is. | [01:16] |
ThickAsThieves | it's an asset on BitFunder | [01:17] |
ThickAsThieves | guy is breaking up 3 Avalons on order into 33000 shares | [01:17] |
kakobrekla | hey hey i got proprietary rights on that syntax | [01:18] |
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kakobrekla | scam. | [01:18] |
ThickAsThieves | talk to Jezz | [01:18] |
ThickAsThieves | Jezzz? | [01:18] |
ThickAsThieves | i dunno, i think thats the guy who runs the BF bot | [01:18] |
kakobrekla | say no more! | [01:19] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;calc 33000 * 0.05 | [01:19] |
gribble | 1650 | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | bwahahaha what ? | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | eh get out. | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | sales started at .03 tho | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | so not AS bad | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | but still | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | two hundred grand for three avalons ? what is this, sparta ? | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | horrible | [01:20] |
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mircea_popescu | what are avalons anyway, 60 gh ? | [01:20] |
jborkl | 88 | [01:21] |
ThickAsThieves | shit i'm so stupid, I shouldve boght AM blades amd then IPO'd at 10x | [01:21] |
ThickAsThieves | derp | [01:21] |
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kakobrekla | yeah douches do that. | [01:21] |
kakobrekla | or maybe is just peoples maff | [01:22] |
kakobrekla | not sure on this one | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | so wait. | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 88 * 3 / 1650 | [01:22] |
gribble | 0.16 | [01:22] |
ThickAsThieves | i think this is also evidence that a split share AM asset would do well | [01:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.4729 = 5.6748 BTC [+] | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | srsly ? 0.16 gh/btc ? | [01:23] |
ThickAsThieves | no joke | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 1650 * 142 / 88 / 3 | [01:23] |
gribble | 887.5 | [01:23] |
ThickAsThieves | https://bitfunder.com/asset/Cado.AvalonB3 | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | 900 dollah PER GH ?! | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | this is more than gpus wtf. | [01:23] |
ThickAsThieves | oh you have to pay elec + 1% mgmt fee too | [01:23] |
kakobrekla | ztex fpga roughly | [01:23] |
jborkl | not smart investment | [01:23] |
jborkl | to say the least | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves well i'm not even counting the usual scammy " X % of shares are reserved for management" with sliding X | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | that's par foer the course | [01:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.000725 = 7.5038 BTC [-] | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla 80-100 mh/s gpus are about 70-100 bux neh ? | [01:25] |
kakobrekla | less | [01:25] |
kakobrekla | 50 bux is 250 mhash or so | [01:25] |
ThickAsThieves | you can get a 7970 for like 340 | [01:25] |
ThickAsThieves | $ | [01:25] |
ThickAsThieves | which does about 680/s on litecoin (more profitable) | [01:25] |
kakobrekla | 5770 is 250 at ~50 bux | [01:25] |
kakobrekla | at 110w | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | insanity. | [01:26] |
ThickAsThieves | ignoranity | [01:26] |
benkay | or you can buy a rack of gpus in a 6u mount from Elemental Technologies | [01:27] |
benkay | stick it someone else's data center | [01:27] |
benkay | their bread and butter is on-demand transcoding, so they may know what's up w/r/t box design | [01:27] |
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benkay | i'm about 1/10th of the way into talking my way into free development boxes from them | [01:28] |
benkay | which i will ship to iceland | [01:28] |
benkay | and generate bitcoins from geothermal power | [01:28] |
benkay | or litecoins w/e | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75883.msg1978571#msg1978571 | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't this look more like a snowdick ? | [01:29] |
benkay | wee bit lumpy | [01:29] |
benkay | my sample size for comparison isn't statistically valid tho | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | "Mircea Popescu once again demonstrates his utterly superior intellect: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ < Deep insight, prescience. Relentless logic." | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | ok, which one of you is this ? | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | not me, but I do love the word prescience | [01:31] |
unbalanced_ | Not I, but good post man! | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | this is a fine example of why you shouldn't take twitter seriously. | [01:32] |
dub | 250mh from 5770? | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | also i hope nassim taleb reads that and gets all pissed off. | [01:32] |
dub | i was lucky to break 200 and running so hot they barf after a few hours | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | ya but you're not cool enough. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | also not running on geopornal thewor. | [01:33] |
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benkay | geopornal thewor | [01:37] |
benkay | geonormal tower | [01:37] |
benkay | log-normal grower | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | fogdood. | [01:38] |
benkay | dello? this is hog. | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | bwahayha | [01:38] |
Scrat | pig benis | [01:38] |
benkay | penistower power! | [01:38] |
Chaang-Noi | im a goat! | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | kengay. | [01:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.45711 = 4.5711 BTC [-] | [01:41] |
benkay | Pope Mercey | [01:41] |
benkay | fuck | [01:41] |
benkay | Pope Mercy | [01:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.93 BTC [+] | [01:42] |
benkay | that's actually not a bad name for an ultradom like you | [01:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.46 = 2.76 BTC [+] | [01:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4724 BTC [+] | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | the pope, the antipope and the mercypope | [01:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4724 = 2.8344 BTC [+] | [01:45] |
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jurov | and its rota | [01:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00072792 = 4.6587 BTC [+] | [01:47] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-] | [01:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.901 BTC [-] | [01:50] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4601 = 2.7606 BTC [-] | [01:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.47239 = 3.3067 BTC [+] | [01:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47239 BTC [+] | [01:54] |
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inhies | well | [01:56] |
inhies | lets hope the july bet gets closed soon :) | [01:56] |
inhies | "Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win - in such cases bets are closed and paid early instead. " | [01:57] |
jurov | btw just got a "why hammering nails with microscope" idea | [01:58] |
inhies | seems like it should be closed early assuming the verdict is yes, the latest deliveries count | [01:58] |
jurov | why casascius coins aren't charged after successful delivery only? | [01:58] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.45651 = 4.5651 BTC [-] | [01:59] |
jurov | no trouble with insurance and btc rate then... | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | i think they also have gold content no ? | [01:59] |
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jurov | the 1btc ones do not.. and the 5btc only plating | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | ah ok | [02:00] |
Chaang-Noi | 5btc is solid nickle | [02:00] |
Chaang-Noi | 25 btc is plating | [02:00] |
Chaang-Noi | 10 btc is silver | [02:01] |
Chaang-Noi | and the 1000 btc is gold | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | wait, 1k btc is gold ? | [02:01] |
Chaang-Noi | the 25 btc is gold plated | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | 1k btc = what, 100 oz fine gold / | [02:01] |
Chaang-Noi | 1000 btc coin is solid gold .999 i has one | [02:01] |
Chaang-Noi | its 1 oz | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | ia but what, 1 ounce ? lol k. | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | so tghen still irrelevant, jurov's point stands | [02:01] |
Namworld | 1 oz of gold, + 1000 BTC key | [02:01] |
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Chaang-Noi | he has gold plated bars at 100 500 and 1000 | [02:01] |
Namworld | Inside it | [02:01] |
Namworld | The coin itself is irrelevant, almost | [02:02] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah, an oz of gold? fuck that lol | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld making the coin's value 99.9% btc | [02:02] |
Namworld | Pretty much | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | ironic | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | here's this fine gold coin | [02:02] |
Namworld | I'll take it wooden for all I care. | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | the gold in it is pretty much irrelevant. | [02:02] |
Chaang-Noi | i did buy it when btc was worth much less than now | [02:02] |
Namworld | Like, the sticker and key would burn in a fire anyway | [02:02] |
Namworld | So why not a polished wooden coin? | [02:03] |
Namworld | Stylish | [02:03] |
Chaang-Noi | i have a bunch of the 10 btc silver ones and got them when 10 btc = an oz of silver | [02:03] |
Chaang-Noi | my coins are in a 2 hour rates fire proof safe. no fire lol | [02:03] |
Namworld | Firefighters take their sweet time, fire burns for 2.1 hour | [02:04] |
Namworld | Hmm... do fireproof rating applies to content burning? | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld polished hardwood is pretty much impossible to catch on fire anyway | [02:05] |
Namworld | Because plastic would melt way before burning | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | actually some plastic is thermosetting. it never melts. | [02:06] |
Namworld | Yeah, idk what casascius uses... | [02:07] |
jurov | biodegradable cellophane? | [02:07] |
jurov | :D | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | whale mucus | [02:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.469899 = 4.2291 BTC [+] | [02:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2675 BTC [-] | [02:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.266 = 2.532 BTC [-] | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | fun fact of the day : chemically, cellophane, rayon and cellulose are polymers of glucose | [02:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4565 = 4.565 BTC [-] | [02:10] |
Namworld | Whale mucus? Why not ambergris? "Keeps that fresh Bitcoin smell longer than the competition!" | [02:10] |
dub | at a guess I'd say he uses recycled mcdonalds burger wrappers | [02:10] |
Chaang-Noi | yup | [02:10] |
dub | which he will have in plentiful supply | [02:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.469899 BTC [+] | [02:11] |
Chaang-Noi | namworld a house almost never burns for more than 30 mins, there is no way that safe will get damaged | [02:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4699 = 2.3495 BTC [+] | [02:11] |
Chaang-Noi | well the coins | [02:11] |
Chaang-Noi | the only plasic on the coins is the holograms | [02:11] |
benkay | namworld are you really counseling someone to dial down their fire insurance? | [02:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.013001 = 1.3001 BTC [-] | [02:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.469899 BTC [-] | [02:13] |
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Chaang-Noi | lol i dont think iv ever seen anyone type out ambergris or even know someone who knew what it was | [02:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4565 = 4.565 BTC [-] | [02:21] |
Chaang-Noi | namworld how do you know so much about whale vomit? | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | i know what it is. | [02:21] |
Chaang-Noi | such a silly thing to know wh? | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | cause it's like very expensive | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | and also used in perfumery | [02:21] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah it is | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | so that's two good reasons. | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | also he's canadian, thus weird. | [02:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4698999 = 2.3495 BTC [+] | [02:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4699 BTC [+] | [02:22] |
Chaang-Noi | i bet the have a lot of whales in canada | [02:22] |
Chaang-Noi | maybe that is why | [02:22] |
dub | I hear theres some moosecock in space atm | [02:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4698999 BTC [-] | [02:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4699 = 2.3495 BTC [+] | [02:24] |
Chaang-Noi | i slept 4 hours last night... if that... | [02:24] |
Chaang-Noi | getting up before the sun is weird to me | [02:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.456001 = 4.56 BTC [-] | [02:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [+] | [02:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COG.F] 2 @ 2.4999 = 4.9998 BTC [+] | [02:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19987 BTC [-] | [02:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1999 = 0.7996 BTC [+] | [02:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00072792 = 1.3103 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 466 @ 0.00073999 = 0.3448 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.00073999 = 7.0551 BTC [+] | [03:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1766 @ 0.00074202 = 1.3104 BTC [+] | [03:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00074004 = 2.1831 BTC [-] | [03:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074202 = 3.7101 BTC [+] | [03:19] |
dub | hrm AM offline on guild | [03:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-] | [03:20] |
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dub | ;;nethash | [03:20] |
gribble | 78723.6093007 | [03:20] |
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mircea_popescu | and yet... | [03:22] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-] | [03:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4651 = 0.9302 BTC [+] | [03:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4651 BTC [+] | [03:39] |
kakobrekla | https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/632-getting-ready-april.html#post9395 | [03:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4749 = 1.4247 BTC [+] | [03:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [+] | [03:40] |
dub | lol | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1924 BTC [-] | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 6 @ 0.1923 = 1.1538 BTC [-] | [03:40] |
mircea_popescu | 2weeks | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.1922 = 0.5766 BTC [-] | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2168 BTC [+] | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 17 @ 0.000651 = 0.0111 BTC [+] | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/commissars-want-to-destroy-lrc.html this is distinctly insane. | [03:41] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000679 = 0.0679 BTC [+] | [03:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00081 BTC [+] | [03:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0008 = 0.008 BTC [-] | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/329033253124190208 | [03:43] |
kakobrekla | :p | [03:43] |
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kakobrekla | Then stop demanding hard and fast timeframes for things that we can't give hard and fast timeframes for. Simple as that. I say multiple times "We aren't sure when |
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kakobrekla | 20x and that describes the past 6+ months. Like I said earlier in this thread (or maybe it was another one) - the timelines were doled out long before I came on board with BFL. I have worked with what I was handed for this product cycle. Future product cycles, assuming I have | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | the final authoritative say in the matter, will not contain shipping dates or definitive timelines. The one and only answer to "When?" is "When it's done." If you get something other than that from me on future product cycles, you'll either get it by that date or I have been | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | overridden in my stance of not providing dates. I fully realize this statement will probably sneak up and bite me in the ass at some unspecified future date due to reasons I can't possibly imagine at the moment. | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | fuck me | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | lmao spam! | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | myea | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | twas a bit much | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | stop demanding things in exchange for your money | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | this is bitcoin! | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://freemarketincome.com/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | repost my article, get the site name wryng | [03:47] |
mircea_popescu | priceless. | [03:47] |
peterl | polymedia? there should be a good joke in there somewhere ... | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | i guess there must be | [03:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1991 = 0.3982 BTC [+] | [03:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.47498 = 4.7498 BTC [-] | [03:50] |
mircea_popescu | so a little ago i used a flavoured condom to buttseks. the girl is now claiming she can taste teh flavour. | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | isthispossible.jpg | [03:53] |
kakobrekla | taste the flavour by licking what? | [03:55] |
mircea_popescu | not by licking anything. | [03:55] |
taub | ... gox should offer volume discounts based on $ value | [03:55] |
taub | not btc | [03:55] |
taub | i hate them so much :( | [03:56] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu did you also give her a vodka filled tampon? | [03:58] |
thestringpuller | btw mircea_popescu your april 2013 MPOE report was empowering... | [03:58] |
mircea_popescu | mno | [03:58] |
mircea_popescu | o ? | [03:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2501 BTC [+] | [03:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-] | [03:59] |
thestringpuller | You really rallied the troops in that one. | [03:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4651 = 0.9302 BTC [-] | [04:00] |
thestringpuller | could you elaborate this statement a little more: Unfortunately the hordes of get-rich-quick noobs allied with the howling incompetence of so called .exchanges. have prevailed | [04:00] |
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mircea_popescu | that entire max keiser & co meets mtgox lag episode | [04:01] |
thestringpuller | but are you saying it's a war against the speculators? | [04:01] |
mircea_popescu | speculation is one thing. | [04:01] |
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mircea_popescu | this idiocy where "We all believe the US is the best in the world therefore it is because we agree" programme is not speculation, it's marauding stupidity. | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin is a right phenomena. it's natural enemy is the left. this means the horde of like minded lemmings. | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | this is the meaning of "decentralised". | [04:03] |
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taub | [04:06] | |
taub | Loss : -2`320.17106571 BTC | [04:06] |
taub | ouch :( | [04:06] |
thestringpuller | enemy of the left? | [04:07] |
thestringpuller | you mean socialism in general? | [04:08] |
taub | enemy of the collectivists | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | anyone who expects solutions to problems come from the group is left. | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | anyone who expects solutions come from the individual is right | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | that's pretty much the whole story there. | [04:09] |
thestringpuller | but even you depend on a group for mpex...non? | [04:09] |
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thestringpuller | or am I viewing this from a confused viewpoint? | [04:09] |
ThickAsThieves | but but what about groups of individuals? | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | i think so. how do i depend ? | [04:09] |
dub | why use condom? | [04:10] |
kakobrekla | we all depend on blockchain ;) | [04:10] |
dub | what point in cornholing if it aint bareback | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | You depend on MPOE-PR for you PR. You have a board of directors you refer to for advice as quoted here: "Unfortunately the hordes of get-rich-quick noobs allied with the howling incompetence of so called .exchanges. have prevailed" it is implied this "we" is a collective. | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | oops | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | dub pff. i always use condoms. | [04:11] |
dub | prude | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | quoted here: "We.ve been working hard taking apart and examining the price model" | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | take 2 | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller but what's one to do with the other ? | [04:11] |
dub | so an occaisional UTI results. deal with it | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | dub hehe i am dealing with it. | [04:11] |
dub | take your vitamins | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: I misquoted I'm sorry. I meant the latter. | [04:12] |
thestringpuller | "We've been working hard..." is the key phrase | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller no i get that part. but what's me having a board / employees to do with the group mindset ? | [04:12] |
thestringpuller | Don't you all have to agree? Don't you bounce ideas off each other? Or is that still technically individualism? | [04:12] |
taub | those groups are formed voluntarily | [04:13] |
thestringpuller | When I think of pure individual contribution I think of people like Tesla. | [04:13] |
taub | it's not a "everyone has to do their share or else" kinda deal | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | but what's "pure individual contribution" to do with anything ? | [04:13] |
ThickAsThieves | i think mp's point may be when individuals release power of problem solving to a group | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | listen, there's kids sitting togetgher in a class. this is ideologically neutral. | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | there's kids working on the same homework. this is also ideologically neutral. | [04:13] |
ThickAsThieves | or maybe rely on group thought? | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | if those kids were to go to the teacher and say "We're not doing our homework and you can't punish us cause you'd hacve to punish the whole class", that's socialist bs. | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | yet this is the "solution" of idiots since forever. | [04:14] |
deadweasel | http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/Bitcoin.php | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | in the case at hand, "we will all buy btc and the price can only go up because of it and so we will all become millionaires" | [04:14] |
ThickAsThieves | but that rgument seems to be used quite often by the right | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | they were going to pull themselves up by their own pants. | [04:15] |
taub | using it already deadweasel :) | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | well inasmuch as it is used it's fakeright | [04:15] |
taub | hope their live trading gets rolled out soon | [04:15] |
deadweasel | how do you like it? | [04:15] |
kakobrekla | its gonna suck | [04:15] |
taub | its good, very stable stream | [04:15] |
kakobrekla | its gonna be as bad as mtgox | [04:15] |
taub | well yes, it's just a link to mtgox | [04:15] |
kakobrekla | exactly | [04:15] |
kakobrekla | thats why its gonna suck | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [04:16] |
kakobrekla | gigo | [04:16] |
taub | but its easier to trade directly off the charts than to log into the site and enter the order every time | [04:16] |
deadweasel | use goxtool | [04:16] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu isn't that a different issue altogether, as you state in your fact, "You can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" | [04:16] |
thestringpuller | faq* | [04:16] |
thestringpuller | WOW | [04:16] |
taub | somehow buying doesnt work on there for me | [04:16] |
thestringpuller | can't type today | [04:16] |
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mircea_popescu | where's the difference | [04:17] |
dub | sierra should lease an API/socket feed | [04:17] |
deadweasel | did you put in the api key? gox --add-secret= | [04:17] |
deadweasel | goxtoo* | [04:17] |
deadweasel | l | [04:17] |
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taub | yea, i can sell, but the buy function doesn't work dunno | [04:17] |
deadweasel | balls | [04:17] |
deadweasel | oh well. i don't trade enought to purchase charting sfotware. but i want it. | [04:18] |
dub | have you got permissions set in gox? | [04:18] |
dub | deadweasel: can you run the native feed without paying? | [04:18] |
taub | yes, the window for order entry doesn't appear | [04:18] |
deadweasel | using windows? | [04:18] |
taub | putty | [04:18] |
thestringpuller | i'm using putty too | [04:19] |
deadweasel | ya, change to xterm r6 | [04:19] |
dub | dont use putty | [04:19] |
deadweasel | i forget the settings tab | [04:19] |
dub | use kitty | [04:19] |
deadweasel | ^ even bettah | [04:19] |
deadweasel | but if you're already running putty, i know how to fix the keyboard fkeys issue. | [04:19] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: there is no difference is there? The group came up, with Max Keiser as their defacto leader, "We can pull ourselves up by our belts", whereas that is a physical impossibility, yet people believed it anyways because other people "said it was so". No? | [04:19] |
dub | kitty is putty | [04:20] |
dub | putty is no longer maintained | [04:20] |
taub | i'm already using some putty variant with clickable urls | [04:20] |
deadweasel | then feed that kitty and putt it across the room! | [04:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00072615 = 3.776 BTC [-] | [04:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.000725 = 1.6675 BTC [-] | [04:21] |
taub | doesn't work in kitty :[ | [04:24] |
thestringpuller | Good news mircea_popescu: "Facebook Is Losing Millions Of Users In The US And Other Mature Markets" | [04:24] |
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nospinzy | I WONDER WHY | [04:26] |
nospinzy | cause all the narsasists have taken over | [04:26] |
taub | okay i got it working deadweasel, had to change the keyboard settings, ty | [04:26] |
nospinzy | and making people rage quit | [04:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [+] | [04:27] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [+] | [04:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.4588 = 2.9176 BTC [+] | [04:27] |
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ThickAsThieves | how doe facebook lose users anyway? people actually take the time to close accounts? | [04:27] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1978520#msg1978520 | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | good q. | [04:28] |
nospinzy | analytics | [04:28] |
nospinzy | you can see how many people come to your website... | [04:28] |
nospinzy | its pretty basic | [04:28] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [04:29] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: |
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thestringpuller | lol | [04:29] |
thestringpuller | ThickAsThieves: people go inactive, someone not logging in for X time is considered the same as losing a user to the social media world. | [04:30] |
thestringpuller | as it depends on an active user base | [04:30] |
ThickAsThieves | then they should just comment on user activity | [04:30] |
ThickAsThieves | not user loss | [04:30] |
ThickAsThieves | but i get it i guess | [04:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-] | [04:32] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: idea: the gold in the casascius coin is a TEOTWAWKI "backup." | [04:32] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [+] | [04:35] |
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mircea_popescu | well it'd have to be the end of PART of the world then | [04:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2799 = 2.5598 BTC [-] | [04:38] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: new idea. 7.62x39mm round with built-in BTC chip. | [04:38] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: for those who await the lead, rather than the gold, standard. | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | dude copumpkin is a twitter badass. check out what he dug up | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/sexism-definition/ | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | Sexism is both discrimination based on gender and the attitudes, stereotypes, and the cultural elements that promote this discrimination. Given the historical and continued imbalance of power, where men as a class are privileged over women as a class (see male privilege), an important, but often overlooked, part of the term is that sexism is prejudice plus power. Thus feminists reject the notion that women can be sexis | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | t towards men because women lack the institutional power that men have. | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | also they reject e=mc2 as a sexed equation, | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us. | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ho hum. there's a whole dark underworld of this crud, esp. in the U.S.; and the perpetrators are often salaried academics and their flunkies. | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | salaried pseudoacademics | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | doing whatever "social sciences" a la women's research or w/e | [04:43] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: actual academics mostly went extinct after ww2. (you'll meet the occasional one, preserved, like the occasional panda still alive in some zoo) | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | i am currently pining all hopes of universalist humanity on the taleb fellow | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | he's been doing off the deep end superbly on twitter. | [04:44] |
dub | kweli | [04:44] |
dub | ? | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | o look, she retweeted me too. dense is she. | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | dub nassim taleb | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/328902329015353345 sample | [04:45] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: on the death of academia: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html (moldbug) | [04:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.236 = 4.944 BTC [-] | [04:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2351 BTC [-] | [04:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.23505 = 2.4701 BTC [-] | [04:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.23505 = 2.4701 BTC [-] | [04:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [-] | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | aww grad school. poor modlbug | [04:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.202 = 6.01 BTC [-] | [04:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-] | [04:47] |
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orkaa | hah, nassim | [04:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-] | [04:47] |
dub | https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/c0.17.180.180/s160x160/24919_388859208374_202563_a.jpg heh | [04:47] |
orkaa | i'm reading one of his books | [04:47] |
orkaa | yeah, this one | [04:47] |
orkaa | black swan | [04:47] |
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mircea_popescu | he's a clever fellow. | [04:48] |
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orkaa | yep, i like how he's questioning everything | [04:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.459 BTC [+] | [04:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.45989998 = 2.9198 BTC [+] | [04:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.46496 = 5.8598 BTC [+] | [04:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.46498 = 4.3949 BTC [+] | [04:50] |
kakobrekla | is he really questioning everything? | [04:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19021 BTC [-] | [04:52] |
mjr___ | i loved antifragile | [04:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19011 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.17005 = 5.8503 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.17 = 5.85 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
mjr___ | it just felt so refreshing | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.16914 = 9.3531 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
kakobrekla | o hey mjr | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.167 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
mjr___ | hey guys | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.165 = 5.825 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.164 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.152 = 21.888 BTC [-] | [04:53] |
kakobrekla | where have you been, you missed like 5 dudes rolling by on their skateboards announcing new exchanges | [04:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.152 BTC [-] | [04:54] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.1511 = 8.0577 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
mjr___ | kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy | [04:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.151 = 2.302 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.150101 = 11.501 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.1501 = 11.501 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
mjr___ | but i can't help but laugh after our convo in romania lol | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | he sounds like permafriendzoned | [04:55] |
kakobrekla | WTF really?! | [04:55] |
kakobrekla | poor guy | [04:56] |
mjr___ | i am not joking | [04:56] |
mjr___ | he's cool, he's in nyc | [04:56] |
kakobrekla | you met him? | [04:56] |
mjr___ | yeah | [04:56] |
kakobrekla | when | [04:56] |
mjr___ | we were talking about working together, but couldn't get the equity to work... | [04:56] |
mjr___ | he already had prior investors etcf | [04:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.13205 = 5.6603 BTC [-] | [04:56] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [-] | [04:56] |
kakobrekla | hm | [04:56] |
mjr___ | they are opening sometime this summer i think? | [04:57] |
mjr___ | but mostly focusing on the shorting/margin side, from what i know...jaron from coinsetter | [04:57] |
grubles | im selling my mpex account | [04:57] |
grubles | if anyone is wanting one | [04:57] |
grubles | there are no assets in it | [04:57] |
grubles | it is mostly to get out of paying the ridiculous 30 btc fee | [04:58] |
mjr___ | https://kirillwashere.com/galleries/set-miami-april-25/photos/13384 <--- why i love and hate america | [04:58] |
kakobrekla | mjr___ are they using gox or what | [04:58] |
mjr___ | grubles, how much? | [04:58] |
mjr___ | also...how would you guarantee you won't retain the key? | [04:59] |
mjr___ | kakobrekla: not sure, but we just got market data working and order flow | [05:00] |
mjr___ | Gods and Monsters by Lana Del Rey | [05:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.000725 = 20.3363 BTC [-] | [05:05] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.13 = 2.26 BTC [-] | [05:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [-] | [05:15] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.24 = 14.88 BTC [+] | [05:20] |
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grubles | mircea_popescu, | [05:26] |
grubles | you around broseph | [05:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2489 BTC [+] | [05:30] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.25 = 3.75 BTC [+] | [05:31] |
dub | hrm, got an ex specops buddy traveling to italy next week, should get him to pay alberto a visit | [05:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [+] | [05:36] |
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mircea_popescu | yeh | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | grubles sup | [05:48] |
mjr___ | mircea_popescu: hey what up | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | nothing much | [05:50] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: you are one of my favorite people | [06:26] |
thestringpuller | if I bring you women can I hang out with you in Romania? | [06:26] |
thestringpuller | :D | [06:26] |
thestringpuller | I need a vacation... | [06:26] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2597 BTC [+] | [06:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2599 BTC [+] | [06:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.26 = 3.78 BTC [+] | [06:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+] | [06:38] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [06:43] |
grubles | y u laffin | [06:44] |
grubles | asicminer price? | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | the guy and his women | [06:45] |
grubles | he is offering you women | [06:45] |
grubles | why must you laugh | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | im just that sorta guy. | [06:46] |
grubles | what, homo? | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | no homo | [06:51] |
thestringpuller | so deal, 3 women for 1 night stay? | [06:51] |
thestringpuller | lololol | [06:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-] | [06:52] |
thestringpuller | (it feels like medieval times) | [06:52] |
grubles | you can stay at my place if you have 3 women | [06:53] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.679 = 1.358 BTC [+] | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | where you gonna find 3 womenz. | [06:57] |
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grubles | strip bar | [06:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkYdUgl3-M&feature=player_embedded | [06:59] |
grubles | mircea is yes homo | [07:00] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: I will go to a mall, and promise 18 year olds louis vatton bags in exchange for me introducing them to mircea_popescu | [07:00] |
thestringpuller | doesn't take a solution like MPEX to get da ladiez | [07:01] |
grubles | they have malls in romania? | [07:01] |
grubles | i figured romania was like a walmart parking lot | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | Vat on! | [07:02] |
grubles | with the rich elite having RVs parked there for weeks | [07:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+] | [07:02] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22 | [07:08] |
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joecool | not too big in nigeria | [07:11] |
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thestrin1puller | waa | [07:17] |
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thestringpuller | ;;seen mircea_popescu | [07:19] |
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thestringpuller | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly2167CprO1rnabkso1_1280.jpg | [07:22] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22%2C%20obama&cmpt=q | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | soon we'll cross obama. | [07:30] |
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KRS-1 | he can go to hell | [07:36] |
KRS-1 | and he is a degenerate | [07:37] |
KRS-1 | thats all. | [07:37] |
KRS-1 | for now. | [07:37] |
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mircea_popescu | "I dont know if something like this has been talked about but im sure it has crossed peoples minds. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | Why doesnt someone open an online bitcoin bank? It could have a nice online interface" | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller totally. a nice interface. | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | it would be a website that's a bank and has a nice interface. whatcouldpossibly.pdf | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | we could call it blockchain.info | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15528424 = 155.2842 BTC [-] | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | o hey. | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | $avg ^oix | [17:09] |
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mircea_popescu | hm what was it | [17:10] |
jborkl | or we could call it mpex | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | $price ^oix | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck | [17:10] |
ThickAsThieves | !ticker m ^OIX | [17:10] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [17:10] |
ThickAsThieves | $avg | [17:10] |
mpexbot | ThickAsThieves: 142.03 | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl no because interface. | [17:11] |
jborkl | oh, I like the interface | [17:11] |
jborkl | very simple | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | $vwap ^oix | [17:11] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 191.28391806 high: 197.76214913 low: 59.0473661 volume: 639 btc: 153.26152721 30 day: no data | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl it's not nice! stop trolling da reddit folk! you're a jerk! | [17:11] |
ThickAsThieves | How does the bot handle options it buys? Does it ever excercise, or try to resell? If it excercises, does it wait for a certain % of profit? | [17:11] |
jborkl | I missed something here, lol | [17:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+] | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | my sarcasm :D | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | whoa nelly. | [17:12] |
ThickAsThieves | thats the 4th sell | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | what srsly ? | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | hey, somebody | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | 's taking some serious positions. | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves the bot always tries to resell. that's why it always quotes both ends. | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | it sometimes exercises. | [17:13] |
ThickAsThieves | so couldnt the bot just excercise these new puts and close this guys position | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | it could, yes. | [17:13] |
ThickAsThieves | odd | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [17:14] |
mircea_popescu | ;;netstat | [17:14] |
gribble | Error: "netstat" is not a valid command. | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | odd that he would sell those puts | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | not odd that the bit would ex | [17:14] |
jborkl | mostly put - this month put 320,s | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | bot* | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | [09:52] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25537321 = 1255.3732 BTC | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | [09:56] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25521432 = 1255.2143 BTC [-] | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | [10:05] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25457896 = 1254.579 BTC [-] | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | [10:11] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+] | [17:14] |
mircea_popescu | those are the max | [17:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.1543468 = 154.3468 BTC [-] | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [17:15] |
ThickAsThieves | those are already in the money right? | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 320 / 2.255 | [17:15] |
gribble | 141.906873614 | [17:15] |
ThickAsThieves | so why sell those puts to the bot | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | whoa look at this! | [17:15] |
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mircea_popescu | so sold puts short, their break even is ~142, so also sold calls short at 143 | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | basically this is an insured long play. | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | $vwap O.USD.P320T | [17:16] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: O.USD.P320T 1 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 7 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 30 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | $vwap O.USD.C143T | [17:16] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T 1 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 7 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 30 day: average: 0.18907858 high: 0.275176 low: 0.1543468 volume: 5375 btc: 1016.2973877 | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | heh. i bet you there's two more sets of 143 on the pipe. | [17:16] |
jborkl | this months 143c price is only .15? | [17:16] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [17:17] |
ThickAsThieves | thats someone selling to bot | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl bid side. | [17:17] |
jborkl | oh yeah, nm | [17:17] |
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mircea_popescu | so basically if price stays over 143 makes money on the puts, if goes a little under makes money on the calls to somewhat compensate. | [17:17] |
ThickAsThieves | except that bot could close him before he does | [17:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15465646 = 154.6565 BTC [+] | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | whiplash can be a serious problem for this position, so i guess it implicitly is a bet against whiplash | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | course... the bot could be closing him the other way too, ie, to protect itself. and since whiplash can go both ways | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose technically it's a bet that the bot closes correctly. | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | for an unspecified value of "correctly" | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | i shoulda out bid the bot for the calls if i wanted some | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | :/ | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | the golden rule of mpex is "it always pays to have positions in the book" | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | as the veterans can tell you. | [17:20] |
jcpham | derp | [17:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 100 @ 0.15465646 = 15.4656 BTC [+] | [17:21] |
ThickAsThieves | there | [17:21] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [17:21] |
jcpham | http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/02/path.shtm | [17:23] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/439/bitcoin-bigger-/ | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | haha check out this one | [17:24] |
jborkl | it it clear what the puts were opened for now | [17:27] |
ThickAsThieves | thats a big dump | [17:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 48 @ 0.152 = 7.296 BTC [-] | [17:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 852 @ 0.14277256 = 121.6422 BTC [-] | [17:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 35000 @ 0.00100005 = 35.0018 BTC [-] | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | well then | [17:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [-] | [17:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00099999 = 2 BTC [-] | [17:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+] | [17:28] |
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ThickAsThieves | SR is shut down | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | somewhat temporarily | [17:30] |
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mircea_popescu | o ? | [17:30] |
error4733 | ;;goxlag | [17:30] |
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gribble | MtGox lag is 56.21932 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.112662887817 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | apparently site is under attack | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | and tor cant protect it without a change | [17:31] |
error4733 | every1 on BlackMarketreload :) | [17:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.33479993 = 0.6696 BTC [+] | [17:32] |
ThickAsThieves | selling all those puts doesnt fit with this big dump though, right? | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [17:33] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.12000, Best ask: 140.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.63000, Last trade: 140.75000, 24 hour volume: 44073.82016531, 24 hour low: 137.45000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 143.02747 | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | heh. not rly. | [17:33] |
jborkl | I think I have it figured out, and it is pretty damn smart. If not, I am going to do it | [17:35] |
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mircea_popescu | jborkl do what ? | [17:35] |
jborkl | What I think they are doing .. | [17:36] |
ThickAsThieves | [10:34] |
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ThickAsThieves | lemme see | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | the sell the puts | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | buy calls | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | dump the btc | [17:37] |
mircea_popescu | nah cause sold both | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | ah | [17:37] |
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ThickAsThieves | is the goal to stabilize the price? | [17:38] |
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ThickAsThieves | if selling both, he wants neother to be profitable for the buyer | [17:39] |
ThickAsThieves | neither* | [17:40] |
ThickAsThieves | is that a safe assumption? | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bcstats | [17:40] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 233918 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10612270.0477 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.31919 | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | nanotube ^ E7 :D | [17:40] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i would imagine his thinking is that price is going up, so sold the puts, and in the case it goes a little under has the calls to pay him | [17:41] |
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ThickAsThieves | so the dump is coincidence? | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | well probably. | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, the puts/calls could be coincidence | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | ie, two diff people doing it at the same time | [17:42] |
ThickAsThieves | too many coincidences in that case, imo | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | i think in the future bitcoin will make THE BEST detective/mystery stories | [17:44] |
ThickAsThieves | not that superstition is the best financial strategy | [17:45] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm just glad i got some affordable calls | [17:45] |
ThickAsThieves | probly a sign that i'm the sucker in the room... | [17:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8999 BTC [+] | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | $depth O.USD.C143T | [17:47] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T Bids: ['400 @ 0.155', '1000 @ 0.14212607', '1000 @ 0.14212607'] | [17:47] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.30647073', '1000 @ 0.30647073'] | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno, everyone seems to want them | [17:47] |
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ThickAsThieves | FF | [17:48] |
ThickAsThieves | (fast fingers) | [17:48] |
ThickAsThieves | what kind of collateral is need to write puts like that | [17:50] |
ThickAsThieves | or is it done by peeps with credit accounts | [17:50] |
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mircea_popescu | thousands of btc and who knows, maybe. | [17:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.8601 = 18.601 BTC [-] | [17:56] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00319322 = 1.1176 BTC [-] | [18:02] |
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ThickAsThieves | i assume more btc was paid to the seller, than the amount he has up for collateral? | [18:07] |
ThickAsThieves | my idea is that the moves dont have so much to do with price movement, as accumulating more total btc | [18:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.274 BTC [-] | [18:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-] | [18:09] |
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ThickAsThieves | okay, suppose the actor actually represents a great majority of the highest 5000btc of the bid book on Gox. Couldn't he sell those puts, dump 5000btc into mostly his own bids, driving price lower so he can now buy more btc at the new lower price? As long as he doesnt sell so low that he triggers the bot to excercise, he would be leveraging the btc to get more btc | [18:12] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu how do you write so quickly | [18:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.000725 = 1.74 BTC [-] | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | you write like a research paper worth of words a week | [18:14] |
ThickAsThieves | this theory is obv half-baked, just thinking out loud | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | ThickAsThieves: it's reasonable but the issue is the puts | [18:15] |
thestringpuller | right? | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | only if price drops too low | [18:15] |
thestringpuller | yea but even then you can get whiplash like mircea indicated | [18:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4689 BTC [+] | [18:16] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe that depends on how large of a manipulator the actor really is | [18:16] |
ThickAsThieves | if they can deal in 5000btc of puts, odds are they are a pretty big deal | [18:16] |
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thestringpuller | i think you underestimate the sensitive of the market panicking during "moves" | [18:19] |
ThickAsThieves | there are other holes in my theory though | [18:19] |
thestringpuller | sensitivity* | [18:19] |
ThickAsThieves | like why fluff the bid book in this case | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller i have a spare pair of hands | [18:19] |
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ThickAsThieves | none if i'm wrong | [18:20] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: so you have four arms to finger four girls simultaneously | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | but the collateral you post is ALWAYS going to be more than what you get selling. | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller totally :D | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, i'm an intellectual. we write. | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | but some actors have credit accounts no? | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | we read, we write, we process information. modern day mentats. | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yeah. | [18:21] |
thestringpuller | I try to write, but it's difficult to care. | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | so in that case collateral is nil | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | well, if you withdraw from a margined account it goes to cover margin first. | [18:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.289 BTC [+] | [18:21] |
thestringpuller | in the sense it's difficult to find the right words | [18:21] |
ThickAsThieves | ah | [18:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.271 BTC [-] | [18:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-] | [18:21] |
thestringpuller | dude I think we're gonna see a bear assembly soon | [18:22] |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 10000 | [18:22] |
gribble | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 1351903.9426 USD and would take the last price down to 132.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 135.1904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 22.9025 seconds | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | [18:22] | |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 20000 | [18:22] |
gribble | A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 2637090.8720 USD and would take the last price down to 125.1100 USD, resulting in an average price of 131.8545 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.7641 seconds | [18:22] |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 30000 | [18:22] |
gribble | A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 3865234.4410 USD and would take the last price down to 121.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 128.8411 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.3863 seconds | [18:22] |
ThickAsThieves | dont worry, your answers make my theory totally wrong | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.msg1985011#msg1985011 epic man. | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | just... epic. | [18:23] |
thestringpuller | :P | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | also thestringpuller, you can finger two girls with one hand | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | fingerbangonomics | [18:24] |
thestringpuller | I've tried too hard. | [18:24] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^OIX | [18:29] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [18:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 24 @ 0.000679 = 0.0163 BTC [+] | [18:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.0051 = 0.0408 BTC [+] | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187730.0;all | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | i find it incredible how much time this person has. | [18:36] |
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ThickAsThieves | me too | [18:37] |
ThickAsThieves | i gave up following the whole usagi thing | [18:37] |
ThickAsThieves | anything that takes that much explaining can't be good | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | absolutely. | [18:38] |
jborkl | all that for 100 oz of silver? so 16 btc market cap :/ | [18:41] |
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mircea_popescu | tyeah | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | people somehow miss on this. options trade on mpex today ? 10k btc or w/e | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | usagi silve fund total nominal value ? 16 btc. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 10000/16 | [18:46] |
gribble | 625 | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | takes 625 usagis a day. | [18:46] |
jcpham | http://jcph.am/2013/04/30/tuesday-music-trio/ | [18:47] |
jcpham | listen to some music and forget about bitcoin | [18:47] |
jcpham | especially the third one | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | there's three bitcoins ? | [18:47] |
ThickAsThieves | truffles, no one had to justify bitocin to me | [18:47] |
jcpham | yes only three bitcoins left | [18:48] |
jcpham | act now. limite supplies. | [18:48] |
ThickAsThieves | not what i said | [18:49] |
ThickAsThieves | also, context | [18:49] |
jcpham | that's a lot of usagis | [18:49] |
ThickAsThieves | english is not my first language | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | what srsly ?! | [18:50] |
ThickAsThieves | kidding | [18:50] |
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jborkl | numa numa was just on the radio | [18:50] |
jborkl | requested for mp | [18:51] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [18:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.8601 = 7.4404 BTC [-] | [18:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | no worries, i know i can be a little loose with my words | [19:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7149 @ 0.000725 = 5.183 BTC [-] | [19:09] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/ | [19:12] |
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jborkl | I just went to BTCjam , never go there | [19:19] |
jborkl | filter by otc - no listings | [19:20] |
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Girlfawkesy | what about the gox listings? | [19:25] |
Girlfawkesy | not that I think this is a good idea | [19:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [-] | [19:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 5 @ 0.30452304 = 1.5226 BTC [+] | [19:34] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24061 BTC [-] | [19:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2406 BTC [-] | [19:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231021 BTC [-] | [19:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.23102 = 6.1551 BTC [-] | [19:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.23091 = 3.6927 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2255 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.2254 = 9.8032 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.225325 = 2.4507 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22523 = 2.4505 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.225 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.217 = 2.434 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-] | [19:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [+] | [19:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471699 BTC [+] | [19:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-] | [19:39] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24001 BTC [+] | [19:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.P143T] 2 @ 0.49662084 = 0.9932 BTC [-] | [19:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 15000 @ 0.00100005 = 15.0008 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+] | [19:51] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [+] | [19:53] |
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mircea_popescu | 27s Litecoin followed you 49s Devcoin followed you 1m Namecoin followed you 1m | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | PPCoins followed you 1m Bitcoin followed you | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck | [19:56] |
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Girlfawkesy | you forgot about feathercoins, the latest craze | [20:00] |
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mircea_popescu | well they forgot about me | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | i just got massfollowed by all the coinz | [20:03] |
Girlfawkesy | too many coins, its a problem | [20:06] |
jcpham | matonis linked this forbes article full of DPR quotes | [20:10] |
jcpham | i've been readinf or some time now | [20:10] |
jcpham | http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/04/29/collected-quotations-of-the-dread-pirate-roberts-founder-of-the-drug-site-silk-road-and-radical-libertarian/3/ | [20:11] |
jcpham | there's a lot. he reads half adult/half child | [20:11] |
jcpham | like peter pan | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | i saw some this morn in my digest | [20:13] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't too impressed. | [20:13] |
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jcpham | i'm not going to be surprised to find out SR is run by a kid | [20:15] |
jcpham | if/when that day comes | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | like 16 ? yeah. | [20:15] |
Framedragger | well, SR used to run a mysqld with debugging mode enabled, so each time there was a DB error (and there were quite a few), users would get a specimen of the system's internals. | [20:17] |
Framedragger | the internals seemed like a default LAMP stack to me. but afaik this has changed. well if they're a kid, they are surely learning to scale their infrastructure/business etc. :) | [20:17] |
benkay | death is a downside cost of war? i thought it was a cheap way to get rid of excessively violent youths... | [20:17] |
benkay | heh. | [20:18] |
benkay | @ lamp stack | [20:18] |
Framedragger | but yeah, the agorist sentiments are at a relatively naive level if i may say so. but hey.. :) | [20:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1602 = 0.6408 BTC [-] | [20:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.1601 = 0.8005 BTC [-] | [20:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.16 = 0.48 BTC [-] | [20:19] |
Framedragger | yeah, i'm quite sure that at least it used to be apache + mysql + php, probably with default configs on a default ubuntu or sth. :) | [20:19] |
benkay | how many times has sr been hacked? | [20:19] |
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Framedragger | i only recall one (really) major security breach, pwd / pwd hashes stolen etc. it was a long time ago, probably in its LAMP infancy days | [20:20] |
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Framedragger | they hired folks to harden security / rewrite things | [20:21] |
jcpham | http://nashx.com/About | [20:21] |
jcpham | looks more interesting | [20:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.000725 = 6.8513 BTC [-] | [20:24] |
Framedragger | nice one | [20:25] |
Framedragger | "The amount you risk should be twice the amount you're trading in order to keep the deal in Nash equilibrium." | [20:25] |
Framedragger | coolcool, actually looks interesting / i get the idea | [20:25] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.1991 = 1.3937 BTC [+] | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | he was here a fewe days ago discussing it. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;eauth mircea_popescu | [20:36] |
gribble | Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0d7b2025f98ee246e08189ba63da58a91aa92dc3142a56e80c32a778 | [20:37] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate Girlfawkesy 1 my btc-e broker. | [20:37] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Girlfawkesy has been recorded. | [20:37] |
jcpham | http://pastebin.com/skGagP0X | [20:38] |
jcpham | something about OVH and bitcoin site | [20:38] |
jcpham | and brute forcing a password function | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell davout you seen http://pastebin.com/skGagP0X ? | [20:39] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:39] |
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jcpham | looks pretty big | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | yah | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31498 @ 0.000725 = 22.8361 BTC [-] | [20:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00072153 = 8.9109 BTC [-] | [20:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2137 @ 0.00072 = 1.5386 BTC [-] | [20:41] |
error4733 | haha mp i'm sur davout saw that :) | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | error4733 i think it's likely too, but you know, just in case. | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | if he didn't and nobody said anything cause sure he did... sucks to be him lol | [20:42] |
jcpham | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632479 | [20:42] |
jcpham | http://forums.ovh.net/showthread.php?p=548183 | [20:43] |
topace | !ticker m s.dice | [20:43] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00315598 / 0.0032441 / 0.00343999 (6603 shares, 21.42 BTC), 7D: 0.0023263 / 0.00295439 / 0.00349938 (39083 shares, 115.47 BTC), 30D: 0.0012 / 0.00311033 / 0.00439999 (940537 shares, 2,925.39 BTC) | [20:43] |
topace | !ticker h sdice | [20:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.32000000 / 0.322025 / 0.33480000 (40 shares, 12.88099987 BTC), 7D: 0.27500001 / 0.30852573 / 0.33480000 (633 shares, 195.29678962 BTC), 30D: 0.12500000 / 0.31325339 / 0.44969999 (6343 shares, 1986.96624734 BTC) | [20:44] |
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jcpham | TL;DR: Here's what happened. When a password reset is submitted, the user receives a random URL by email containing a random 21 letter string. The algorithm used was bad, so the random string could be brut-forced. | [20:45] |
jcpham | The OVH team researched 3 years of password changelogs and found 3 customers who had been brute-forced that way, all in the "bitcoin community" | [20:45] |
jcpham | sorry i wanted to make sense of what i read | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [20:47] |
imsaguy | because the bitcoin community typically has the maturity of a 12 y/o | [20:47] |
imsaguy | "Here, hold all of my precious" | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | no, because the btc community has more money than all the internet combined. | [20:47] |
jcpham | these cloud hoster will continually be infiltrated | [20:47] |
jcpham | *hosters | [20:47] |
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jcpham | most likely that isn't going away | [20:48] |
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mircea_popescu | yea | [20:48] |
imsaguy | anytime you put something in the cloud, you're risking it | [20:48] |
jcpham | run a bitcoin based business on some rented platform -> get hacked | [20:48] |
imsaguy | there's something to be said about physical security | [20:48] |
jcpham | in this world, yes | [20:48] |
imsaguy | the minute you give that up.. you'll be hosed | [20:48] |
jcpham | for sure | [20:48] |
imsaguy | its just a matter of time | [20:48] |
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mircea_popescu | We have been in contact with these clients but the quality of our exchanges did not allow us to get enough information that would help reveal an vulnerability on our side. Our developpers have in a completely independant way found the issue mentionned above, and only then have we realised that there was a link between our flaw and these 3 customers. We certainly have something to learn here about the best way to ensure | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | dialog with clients about this kind of issue. | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | this is some decent pr ovh has going. | [20:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1 = 0.9 BTC [-] | [21:00] |
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Framedragger | ovh is typically not really good with client communication (personal limited experience) | [21:00] |
benkay | all that said, there's no guarantee that owning your own boxes gets you anything | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | more generally, there's no guarantee. | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | also on the long term we're all hosed | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | in the burial way. | [21:03] |
benkay | so have some damn fun! | [21:03] |
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Framedragger | in the entropy way, too.. | [21:04] |
Framedragger | benkay: sure, unless you / or your hire really know(s) what you/they're doing. running bitcoind under multiple layers of virtualization/isolation (e.g. bsd jails + virtualbox + chroot) is a start | [21:04] |
Framedragger | at the very least, that way you at least may attempt to evaluate your risks, possible attack vectors etc. not with cloud hosting / whatever - parts of the hosting infrastructure remain hidden from the client (or their implementations). which generally sucks when somebody discovers that times have changed and some of those hosted machines are now storing highly valuable assets | [21:06] |
Framedragger | if you're going to run bitcoind on a $30 Kimsufi rented server with root password reset capabilities in your 'customer control panel', you're gonna have a hard time | [21:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.25396 = 8.7777 BTC [+] | [21:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4815 @ 0.00071954 = 3.4646 BTC [-] | [21:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00072491 = 1.921 BTC [+] | [21:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00072623 = 6.5615 BTC [+] | [21:16] |
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KRS-1 | lol this is madness today compared to lately | [21:18] |
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benkay | what's the madness, KRS-1? | [21:19] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvPdgkD5LA8 lol | [21:20] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+] | [21:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+] | [21:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15531 @ 0.00072623 = 11.2791 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
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KRS-1 | oh just saying how the buy/sell order volume is there but then pulled back and then there again | [21:29] |
KRS-1 | its been pretty quiet til today, a bit more movement..maybe madness was overdoing it a bit | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [21:29] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.88697, Best ask: 137.12099, Bid-ask spread: 0.23402, Last trade: 137.12100, 24 hour volume: 53204.21184346, 24 hour low: 136.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.41656 | [21:29] |
KRS-1 | This is a pretty good song | [21:31] |
KRS-1 | Is that one dude in the background you? | [21:31] |
KRS-1 | lol | [21:31] |
thestringpuller | what's causing the drop? | [21:33] |
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thestringpuller | I feel like the bondholders saw the puts that were sold to the bot and dropped the price... | [21:35] |
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thestringpuller | CONSPIRACY | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25399 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.254 = 6.27 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [21:38] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.31001, Best ask: 135.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 135.40000, 24 hour volume: 54369.04427953, 24 hour low: 135.48000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.29665 | [21:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.255 = 12.55 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.259999 = 25.2 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.26985 = 2.5397 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
thestringpuller | tiberiusiv: what do you even do in bitcoinland | [21:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.27 = 8.89 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27195 = 2.5439 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
thestringpuller | so you do nothing? | [21:39] |
thestringpuller | COOL | [21:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27795 = 2.5559 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
thestringpuller | Can I invest in you? | [21:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2997 = 3.8991 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2998 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.29998 = 5.1999 BTC [+] | [21:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.29999 = 3.9 BTC [+] | [21:40] |
thestringpuller | tiberiusiv the man who criticizes without any credentials | [21:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.3 = 11.7 BTC [+] | [21:40] |
thestringpuller | intellectualism to the extreme! | [21:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.3 = 39 BTC [+] | [21:40] |
thestringpuller | you must be the smartest person I know! | [21:40] |
KRS-1 | u mad tiberiusiv | [21:41] |
KRS-1 | y u mad brah | [21:41] |
thestringpuller | ;;gribble tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!! | [21:41] |
gribble | yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? | [21:41] |
KRS-1 | dun be mad brah | [21:41] |
thestringpuller | ;;tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!! | [21:41] |
KRS-1 | seriously...u mad? | [21:41] |
thestringpuller | ;;later tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!! | [21:41] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [21:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29999 BTC [-] | [21:41] |
thestringpuller | ;;later tell tiberiusiv I have 75 btc now liquid. Soon I will have a few hundred as things grow. | [21:42] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [21:42] |
thestringpuller | ;;later tell tiberiusiv You are a poop who has no rational statements to use because you'd rather be accusatory rather than contribute anything of value to society, like a greedy American addicted to the allure of wealth. | [21:43] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [21:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+] | [21:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+] | [21:43] |
thestringpuller | :D | [21:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.30999 BTC [+] | [21:43] |
thestringpuller | he's not pokceting coins dude | [21:45] |
thestringpuller | they pay out pretty much the same dividends every month... | [21:45] |
thestringpuller | MPOE doesn't keep any cash on hand | [21:46] |
thestringpuller | It lost bondholder money | [21:46] |
thestringpuller | not any money of it's own | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178535.0 | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | betbtcnow.com ? never heard of it. | [21:46] |
thestringpuller | so your point is bondholders put up capital, .23~ loss per coin | [21:47] |
thestringpuller | = scam | [21:47] |
thestringpuller | proof of faking trades? | [21:47] |
thestringpuller | anonymous shareholders != scam | [21:48] |
thestringpuller | dude you're making bs claims with no evidence | [21:49] |
thestringpuller | in terms of faking tarades | [21:49] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowder is up 1500% | [21:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2884 @ 0.00072623 = 2.0944 BTC [+] | [21:50] |
thestringpuller | because it's not? | [21:51] |
thestringpuller | how? | [21:51] |
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thestringpuller | dude MPOE doesn't hold capital | [21:52] |
thestringpuller | so he won't run out of money | [21:52] |
thestringpuller | dude the bondholder list is huge | [21:53] |
jcpham | apparently someone just sent 40 btc to SD in -otc and lost it | [21:53] |
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thestringpuller | because you're full of shit | [21:53] |
jcpham | hurrr | [21:53] |
thestringpuller | it amuses me how accusatory you are | [21:54] |
Framedragger | ouch re: 40btc | [21:54] |
thestringpuller | i'm far from broke? | [21:54] |
jcpham | tiberiusiv how can i make money | [21:54] |
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jcpham | fine ignore me | [21:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.003625 BTC [+] | [22:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 99 @ 0.003625 = 0.3589 BTC [+] | [22:03] |
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benkay | thestringpuller: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ | [22:07] |
benkay | mircea is 68K of 84K in bondholder capital | [22:07] |
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benkay | only 80.9% | [22:08] |
benkay | and this month, only 6.4 kbtc in bonds were sold | [22:09] |
benkay | but at 12.5% | [22:09] |
benkay | that's a pretty steep rate | [22:09] |
benkay | needs to be, to induce people to put up bonds that are almost guaranteed to take huge writedowns | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | benkay only 6.4 in bonds were needed. | [22:11] |
deadweasel | projected expenses, right? | [22:11] |
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benkay | how is necessary bond capital determined? the bot says "I want to underwrite bonds!" and then does so? | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | retroactively. looks how much exposure it had at the point it had the most exposure. | [22:13] |
benkay | nobody's modeling anything | [22:17] |
benkay | nobody's writing this shit up | [22:17] |
benkay | it's just a bunch of opionions flying back and forth on irc | [22:17] |
benkay | you have a claim | [22:17] |
benkay | so, what would be a good metric for evaluating this claim? | [22:18] |
Framedragger | "lawless romania" haha right | [22:18] |
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xire | dun dun dun dun dun da da | [22:19] |
xire | here in romania, we make own rules | [22:19] |
Framedragger | kinda need citations to support these claims, only because ISPs do not prosecute scriptkiddies there does not mean much | [22:19] |
Framedragger | to actual studies operationalizing such terms as (lol) 'fraud capital' :) | [22:20] |
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Framedragger | i can also buy a cop in my hometown, though not sure of price :P | [22:21] |
xire | tiberiusiv, what country are you from? | [22:21] |
deadweasel | tiberiusiv: eat my cock, welcome to ignore for the 5th time this month. | [22:21] |
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Framedragger | lol, did you read the article you linked to mate, it doesn't really say anything apart from mentioning the keywords that matched your google query | [22:24] |
deadweasel | tiberiusiv doesn't take anything in, he merely spews outward | [22:24] |
Framedragger | "But outside these run-down flats, the streets are full of expensive, fast cars that are a marked contrast to their surroundings. [same in many countries, saw that in sarajevo, etc] The hackers like to show off their wealth and power with these high-powered vehicles, which they race through the streets at night. [this does not follow from the prev sentence" | [22:25] |
Framedragger | not sure why i'm responding though :( | [22:25] |
jcpham | so tiberiusiv do you know mircea_popescu | [22:25] |
jcpham | i'm curious about your motivations | [22:25] |
jcpham | normally people are vocal about this sort of thing have some one else pulling the strings, so to speak | [22:26] |
jcpham | so it seems odd, unfounded, not genuine. | [22:26] |
deadweasel | thestringpuller!!! it's you! | [22:26] |
jcpham | not really. fuck him | [22:26] |
jcpham | i don't know him | [22:26] |
deadweasel | ^ | [22:26] |
deadweasel | ditto | [22:26] |
jcpham | but i am curious about your motivations | [22:26] |
jcpham | at this point | [22:27] |
jcpham | are you sure about that? | [22:27] |
jcpham | i'm going to believe you for now i guess | [22:27] |
benkay | what about s.dice? is that a scam as well? | [22:27] |
deadweasel | bitcoins at any price over 8$ are a scam, go tell #bitcoin-anal about it | [22:27] |
jcpham | but your outspoken nature on romanians is highly suspect | [22:27] |
benkay | so are MP's on "niggers" | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | pfff. | [22:28] |
benkay | just elbowing you | [22:28] |
jcpham | smh | [22:28] |
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mircea_popescu | so bitcoin is a scam or what | [22:28] |
benkay | sdice is an awesome example of what happens in economies that think they're unregulatable | [22:29] |
jcpham | i think it might be a scam mircea_popescu | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham brb gotta post on my blog. | [22:29] |
jcpham | oh wait tiberiusiv said it isn't a scam now | [22:29] |
jcpham | i thought it was a scam a minute ago | [22:29] |
jcpham | my mistake. | [22:29] |
jcpham | totally | [22:29] |
jcpham | can i be a scam too? | [22:30] |
jcpham | will you tell people | [22:30] |
jcpham | super | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | wait what ? | [22:31] |
jcpham | how many bitcoins do i need to posses to own a "few" | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | im confused. | [22:31] |
jcpham | what's the arbitrary number | [22:31] |
jcpham | that makes me cool | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham 13, as established by uppittytortilla | [22:31] |
jcpham | i got that | [22:31] |
jcpham | toattally in the cool kids club | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | k send them to me now | [22:31] |
jcpham | psssh | [22:31] |
jcpham | scammer | [22:31] |
benkay | FOAR TEH BONDS | [22:31] |
jcpham | romanian scammer | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | send them to me or you don't go to the supernode. | [22:31] |
jcpham | fuck | [22:32] |
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jcpham | i need it for Helsinki | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | 1sendhereorelsenosupernode1254 | [22:32] |
jcpham | 1.5 class suernode | [22:32] |
rigacrypto | anyone knows a good bitcoin trading channel ? | [22:32] |
jcpham | not this one | [22:32] |
dub | #bitcoin-spacedicks | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | rigacrypto this but romanians aren't allowed so. | [22:33] |
jcpham | 1-2 btc is not a percentage of my total ealth | [22:33] |
jcpham | i do percentages | [22:33] |
dub | jcpham is a semenair | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | 1-2 btc is FIDDY PERCENTAGES | [22:33] |
jcpham | dub what?!? thaere's semen in the air!>!?! | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | of your total poverty | [22:33] |
jcpham | hundredaire | [22:34] |
jcpham | popping cola bottles | [22:34] |
rigacrypto | anybody shorting bitcoins ? | [22:34] |
jcpham | i don't even think i can link you to wallet i controll with a lot of coins | [22:34] |
jurov | you naughtaires | [22:34] |
jcpham | sorry to disappoint | [22:34] |
rigacrypto | what's your entry point and when do you plan to close the position ? | [22:34] |
deadweasel | drinkin' tap water | [22:35] |
jurov | rigacrypto: here ppl prefer mpoe options as "entry points" | [22:35] |
jcpham | shorting? like long term shorting | [22:35] |
jborkl | pfft , I won't use a 1.5 supernode | [22:35] |
jborkl | only 1.49 or better | [22:36] |
jcpham | or just short term- shorting like today | [22:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [-] | [22:36] |
rigacrypto | long term. never fight the bots | [22:36] |
jcpham | wow | [22:36] |
rigacrypto | @jurov: ok | [22:36] |
jcpham | but the bots are the market | [22:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32701996 BTC [+] | [22:37] |
jcpham | i have a hard time planning anything for more than afew hours | [22:37] |
rigacrypto | the market is made of hype-controlled people | [22:37] |
jcpham | or hype-producing people... | [22:37] |
rigacrypto | analyze the hype cycle and you can guess the market | [22:37] |
jurov | and rigacrypto, my ex-boss asked me the same some time ago | [22:37] |
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jurov | the best answer around was "don't buy bitcoins at all" | [22:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3211 BTC [-] | [22:38] |
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jcpham | rigacrypto i couldn't stay short for more than a few hours | [22:38] |
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jborkl | the hype circle jerk is in -otc and I would'nt stick micrea-popescus dick in that shithole of a channel | [22:38] |
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rigacrypto | a better strategy: long when it's low and short when it's high :D | [22:39] |
jcpham | they are talking about btcjam loans still | [22:39] |
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jurov | rigacrypto: right now it is low or high? | [22:39] |
jurov | a million bitcoins question :D | [22:39] |
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rigacrypto | at 160, my entry point, it was high; I wonder the same thing now :) | [22:39] |
jcpham | i still think we're correcting to 4 digits | [22:39] |
jborkl | i think right now there is one buyer and one seller | [22:40] |
jcpham | might take 9 months | [22:40] |
jcpham | though | [22:40] |
jurov | let's divide us to bulls, bears and boars and vote | [22:40] |
benkay | on what timeframe, jurov ;) ? | [22:41] |
jurov | medium short-to-long term | [22:41] |
dub | rigacrypto: there is #bitcoin-analysis but its turning into -otc | [22:42] |
rigacrypto | the dumber the better. good proxy for market sentiment | [22:43] |
rigacrypto | otc it is then | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | gl. | [22:43] |
jurov | oh, then there's btc-e trollbox (but it's mostly about ltc) | [22:44] |
dub | how is ltc doing, any panic from the looming lukepocalypse? | [22:46] |
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jurov | no change recently | [22:47] |
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jurov | hovering above 0.03 btc | [22:47] |
jurov | i hope that attack coincides with mtgox launch...for moar drama | [22:48] |
benkay | attack? | [22:49] |
jurov | benkay, luke-jr promises to 51% litecoin | [22:49] |
benkay | nice | [22:50] |
benkay | why? | [22:50] |
jurov | supposedly it users scrypt wrongly and prone to fpgas | [22:50] |
dub | because alt coins are bad | [22:50] |
dub | and bitcoin needs more drama | [22:50] |
benkay | let's all waste the one asset we never get more of | [22:51] |
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jurov | maybe bitcoin became sentient AI and hates competitors and it's hungry for drama | [22:52] |
jurov | and miners are his minions | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | [22:52] | |
mircea_popescu | i guess in the end he'll attack ppcoin or something | [22:53] |
dub | kinda surprised he hasnt | [22:53] |
jurov | iirc ppcoin uses merged mining with btc | [22:54] |
dub | no it doesnt, or he would have | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | cuz attacking a coin is great for your rep | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | look at how much we adored the devs after the bitcoin fork | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:55] |
dub | there will be some ideological resason that makes sense only to the type of person that would rape his wife with his four kids in the bed next to them | [22:55] |
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jcpham | i'd help luke 51% litecoin | [22:56] |
jcpham | for sure | [22:56] |
jcpham | when does that happen | [22:56] |
jcpham | because i can? | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | it's the productive thing to do | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | wednesday after lent. | [22:56] |
jcpham | litecoin has no value | [22:56] |
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jcpham | other than to hedge against bitcoin | [22:56] |
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mircea_popescu | dub pix ? | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | thus attacking litecoin has value? | [22:56] |
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jcpham | it's neat and all....and that's a neat value | [22:56] |
jcpham | but sort of pointless | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-92985 | [22:57] |
ThickAsThieves | making an attack even more pointless | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | is that tibby ? | [22:57] |
jcpham | ThickAsThieves so i should quit now? | [22:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073864 = 4.2841 BTC [+] | [22:58] |
jcpham | i hate litecoin because i missed the pump and dump | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | let the kids have their fun i say | [22:58] |
jcpham | during $260 bitcoins | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham you know what ? i missed it too | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | bought them cheap sold like 25% of the way up | [22:58] |
jcpham | jeez it was epic | [22:58] |
dub | mircea_popescu: I can answer that question:- because bitcoin | [22:59] |
ThickAsThieves | i thought i was all fancy selling my litecoins at like .026 | [22:59] |
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ThickAsThieves | then it kept going | [22:59] |
jcpham | they got up to like $10 or something right | [22:59] |
jcpham | maybe 5$ | [22:59] |
ThickAsThieves | .04+ i think | [22:59] |
jcpham | way too much | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | dub which q are you answering ? | [22:59] |
ThickAsThieves | all questions | [22:59] |
dub | why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/ | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | a a. myeah. | [23:00] |
jcpham | omg mircea_popescu | [23:00] |
jcpham | i already clowned on him in -otc | [23:00] |
jcpham | talk about a 1st owrld problem | [23:01] |
jcpham | his house looks fine | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | no dude. | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | must spend 200 btc to add a balcony. | [23:01] |
jcpham | retarded | [23:01] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [23:01] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.01000, Best ask: 137.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 137.87980, 24 hour volume: 60555.46093699, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 140.33742 | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | (i had no idea wtf he's doing at the time of writing, but anyway) | [23:02] |
ThickAsThieves | nice spread | [23:02] |
jcpham | it's a laughable forum post | [23:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+] | [23:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [23:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [23:07] |
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mircea_popescu | ah finally! | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | ;;eauth mircea_popescu | [23:25] |
gribble | Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8689fa94da1f1eb79f997983fc12ba991db3bad46a67ddd64eae7819 | [23:26] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | win. | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | it works here too now. | [23:26] |
Framedragger | oh, nice. | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | "The difference between the Valley and Eastern Europe is that in the Valley spammers get VC funding. Also, the spam is beautifully designed." | [23:29] |
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KRS-1 | p33r for now i have j00 key | [23:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
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Luke-Jr | jurov: eh, when did I promise that? | [23:48] |
jurov | lemme check | [23:49] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+] | [23:51] |
jurov | Luke-Jr: okay, seems you "just" | [23:51] |
jurov | spread a rumor | [23:51] |
Luke-Jr | also won't be me doing it | [23:52] |
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kakobrekla | a followup https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.msg1988722#msg1988722 | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | lmai | [23:56] |
kakobrekla | is like | [23:56] |
kakobrekla | id code it 10 years ago | [23:56] |
kakobrekla | : | [23:56] |
kakobrekla | (when i was 15) | [23:57] |
kakobrekla | maybe id do a better job | [23:57] |
kakobrekla | even. | [23:57] |
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mircea_popescu | ya i was thinking, yet anoither kid with php doing an exchange. | [23:58] |
kakobrekla | well, its not the phps fault, just cause some idiots drive into a wall cars are not inheritly bad | [23:59] |
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