Forum logs for 29 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp ACTUALLY understands	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	the suck he will both be free and able to act.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	before that happens there necessarily isn't what either "can" do.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309798 is a much deeper problem than realised. yes, it's true that the adolescents see themselves as peers to the adults. NOT IT IS NOT TRUE THEY ARE. yes it is this false, unfounded identification that drives both DK and the insane notions of the adolescents as to the failures of both "the world" and adults (these two aren't even really different).	[00:40]
assbot	Logged on 28-10-2015 07:29:28; mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren’t forcibly prevented	[00:40]
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mircea_popescu	and now let's enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAHA4Jh5jkw together!	[00:43]
assbot	Urge Overkill - Girl You'll Be a Woman Soon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XAm2Gq )	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell gabrielradio http://dpaste.com/11YCGSW	[00:58]
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assbot	dpaste: 11YCGSW ... ( http://bit.ly/1XAnwAw )	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	i hope that was a n>10k study.	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	Better be	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	Nope, 699	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	"Researchers also recorded how often the 699 study participants - Czech men between the ages of 35 and 65 years old - had sexual intercourse."	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	"The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."	[01:16]
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pete_dushenski	danielpbarron cheers !	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310314 << it's all in the f-bombs	[02:31]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 01:46:22; asciilifeform: (i mean, how the hell does the quoted thread re: intel relate to any of this...?)	[02:31]
pete_dushenski	"the personality trait most strongly correlated with programming ability was not introversion or conscientiousness, but openness: a trait that's related to being creative and imaginative"	[02:34]
pete_dushenski	"A meta-analysis on 19 independent samples (total N = 1695) highlighted that programming aptitude was associated with three personality traits, conscientiousness, openness, and introversion."	[02:35]
pete_dushenski	"In contrast to stereotypical beliefs, programming aptitudes were not associated with socially undesirable traits such as disagreeableness or neuroticism."	[02:35]
pete_dushenski	http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656615300052	[02:38]
assbot	What makes a computer wiz? Linking personality traits and programming aptitude ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na30DL )	[02:38]
pete_dushenski	basically fits the 'obedient, diligent coolies' alf describes in http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/	[02:42]
assbot	Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVn3kX )	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	this admitting there EVEN ARE 1695 programmers out there.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	seems dubious. moreover what happened is, "back in 1965, people could actually code - and those people who could actually code were disagreeable neurotics. 50 years later we turned coding into a sort of welfard subdepartment of the ushs, and now those 'coders' are exactly like the rest of the welfare population : open and conscientious. which is why the line before the tsa anal fingering office consists of middleaged w	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	omen with their panties folded neatly in their hands."	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	science!	[02:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00054823 = 14.6377 BTC [-]	[02:49]
pete_dushenski	lol it could easily be 1695 fresh compsci grads	[02:51]
pete_dushenski	'they don't have any experience but gosh darn are they qualified on paper!'	[02:51]
pete_dushenski	heh. jack baruth riffs off my 'middle class' article : "We inmates of the middle class envy the rich for obvious reasons but we also envy the poor, because they have freedom."	[02:51]
pete_dushenski	though since he's firmly in the middle class, he ends up looking down to the LOWER class in envy	[02:52]
pete_dushenski	via this gongshow of a story, essentially: https://storify.com/public/templates/card/index.html?src=//storify.com/yomike/a-wild-weekend-in-florida	[02:52]
assbot	Storify [Slideshow] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4gXn )	[02:52]
pete_dushenski	upper class too inaccessible, so what's left ? down. down's what's left.	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	"To be in the middle class is to perennially be under threat. But to be the main character of a Dylan or Grateful Dead song is to be poorer, and lower, and free."	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	jack's something of a musician so he's never short of usian 60s-present musical references, most of which are lost on me, but he's still a pretty astute cultural anthropologist	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	lol looking down in envy. that's a good one.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	don't look back in anger (look forward ; and kill someone) and don't look down in envy (look upward ; and kill someone).	[02:57]
phf	i believe tlp has an article on meta-analysis studies	[02:58]
phf	" Programming abilities were quantified using an objective performance test (e.g.,number of errors in the program code); subjective evaluations of individual’s coding proficiency were not included."	[03:00]
pete_dushenski	lol	[03:00]
pete_dushenski	"But how can the author will a meta-analysis to show what he wants it to show? Maybe he could manipulate an individual study, wouldn't a "study of studies" be immune to his dark sorcery? Imagine a study of Prozac vs. placebo in 10000 patients, and Prozac is awesome. Imagine two more studies, each with 6 patients, and Prozac doesn't beat placebo in those. I now have three studies. My meta-analysis concludes:	[03:01]
pete_dushenski	"Prozac was found to be superior to placebo in only a third of studies." Boom-- Associate Professor. When meta-analyses look at only a few studies (e.g. N=4), if even one of them is a poorly designed study you can overwhelm-- or purposely extinguish-- what might actually be a real effect." << this one phf ?	[03:01]
phf	aye	[03:01]
pete_dushenski	from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html	[03:01]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: The Decline Effect Is Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FngU )	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	that's a great article too.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	phf imagine the sort of unredeemable imbecile who imagines "errors in program code" is objective measure of anything.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	like, you know, programming has this closed form solution, it's like solving ax+b.	[03:02]
phf	includes such wonderful papers as Personality predictors of performance in an introductory computer course. (1982), MBTI personality type and student code comprehension skill., Predicting student success in an introductory programming course., The effects of openness to experience on pair programming in a higher education context., Identifying predictors of programming skill.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	this is what they think programming is.	[03:03]
phf	i like this one, Personality and learning FORTRAN. (1985), i almost want to trick that one down	[03:04]
phf	*track rather	[03:04]
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mircea_popescu	late too.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	fortran in 1985 ?	[03:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	pete_dushenski: share a copy?	[03:05]
pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital you CAN handle watching a birth dude	[03:05]
pete_dushenski	copy of...	[03:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	that science direct piece	[03:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	the thing i'm already retching over	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	how's life vulpes_a_hopital ?	[03:06]
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vulpes_a_hopital	slow.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	i bet the woman agrees.	[03:06]
vulpes_a_hopital	oh, we're just discussing the abstract, then?	[03:07]
pete_dushenski	mhm	[03:07]
phf	mircea_popescu: just more academia inbreeding in this "metastudy". only time i saw fortran code is when helping computation chemistry grgrad students code up their models	[03:07]
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pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital how long's the labour been thus far ?	[03:07]
phf	vulpes_a_hopital: http://timo.gnambs.at/sites/default/files/gnambs2015-programming.pdf	[03:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Na5y4H )	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	phf one of the numerous women i proposed marriage to was actually a chainsmoker fortran programmer.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	in the 70s this was an entire subculture i think.	[03:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	mk. well as someone who actually reviews, teaches and issues canings over code, and knows the personalities involved intimately, i'm going to not give a shit.	[03:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	mircea_popescu: what labor.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[03:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	how do you define 'labor'?	[03:09]
vulpes_a_hopital	arbitrary combo of frequency and duration?	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	in what context ? or did i use it somewhere ?	[03:09]
vulpes_a_hopital	a sorry	[03:09]
vulpes_a_hopital	pete_dushenski: what labor.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	well you just made pete's day :D	[03:10]
pete_dushenski	i think it's 5 mins apart	[03:10]
vulpes_a_hopital	howzzat?	[03:11]
vulpes_a_hopital	ah yes, i recall why mircea_popescu was queued up	[03:12]
vulpes_a_hopital	mircea_popescu: you've proposed marriage?	[03:12]
pete_dushenski	and multiple times ?!	[03:12]
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vulpes_a_hopital	i must not understand how this marriage was to have worked.	[03:12]
pete_dushenski	i think our collective leg's being pulled	[03:12]
vulpes_a_hopital	or its some novel broomaaple of a marriage.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital ages 5 to 7 or so, yeah. half my mother's friends!	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	not my damn fault bitchez were crazy hawt.	[03:14]
vulpes_a_hopital	happy to tee it up for you, boss	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	for any 5yos reading b-a : do this. the women love it, and then later they'll be like, in your exams and shit. plus mothering the chicks you actually DONT want to marry.	[03:15]
phf	shoulder pads, a "perm" and yellow cigarette nails? "do you like our owl?"	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	phf nah, no perm.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	but i think you'd get kicked out of the 70s if no shoulder pads.	[03:16]
phf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AXOjlPF0Y	[03:16]
assbot	Deckard meets Rachel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVrf3Y )	[03:17]
vulpes_a_hopital	mircea_popescu: does your absurdly broad knowledge bank have anything interesting on the topic of long pregnancies?	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	nah, rachel looks soft and dumb.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital you know the medieval cases of undelivered babies calcified in the woman and found at autopsy ?	[03:20]
*	vulpes_a_hopital does not	[03:20]
vulpes_a_hopital	how long would those've been?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	lifetime ?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	she just never delivered, died 70 or w/e. who knows when she might have conceived. 20s ? 40s ?	[03:21]
*	vulpes_a_hopital frowns	[03:21]
pete_dushenski	and don't forget pantagruel : 14 months was it ?	[03:21]
pete_dushenski	(not mine, rabelais')	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	that account might be made up :D	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	waiwut	[03:22]
vulpes_a_hopital	udunsae	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	yousundae	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	i always had this suspicion that rabelais was not always sticking to the true objectivity of science.	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	;)	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	although a meta-study conducted in 1999 showed him to be no worse than average	[03:22]
vulpes_a_hopital	n=4 tho	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	more like 4 million.	[03:23]
vulpes_a_hopital	not over nine thousand	[03:23]
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phf	i liked her as chani in dune	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	phf but that role specifically is soft and dumb.	[03:24]
vulpes_a_hopital	how the fuck does chani have a wikipedia article.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	it's pop culture yellowpages.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	what, you thought it was an encyclopedia ?	[03:25]
pete_dushenski	and in other news, "Walmart discontinued the sale of its "Israeli soldier kids costume" and "Sheik Fagin nose" Halloween costumes after facing widespread backlash, including boycott calls on the chain store's Facebook page."	[03:25]
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vulpes_a_hopital	sheik fagin lol	[03:25]
vulpes_a_hopital	walmart as pop culture blender	[03:26]
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mircea_popescu	ahhh life is good	[03:26]
pete_dushenski	gl ben !	[03:26]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHL-0N07rxo << mega-weird china propaganda	[03:27]
assbot	Pay Attention to the 十三五 (shi san wu) - Xinhua News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVsgJx )	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	"Real Men Don't Buy Girls" pretends to be a PSA against child sex slavery. What it really is an effort in rebranding. In this clip, you see Ashton Kutcher. If you had to find 300M Americans to be on a list of "Real Men," and every person in America except for Ashton Kutcher had been eaten by a giant squid, Ashton Kutcher would still not make that list, ever.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	i agree.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	and I don't know any guy in the world who has an extra pack of socks available "just in case." << now you do. chicks (that don't even wear underwear!) carry spare socks and similar stuff around for my convenience. so there!	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32046 @ 0.00054762 = 17.549 BTC [-] {3}	[03:32]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgsoETPe-I << another interesting pro-chinese piece, by south and north carolinians no less !	[03:33]
assbot	When China met Carolina - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVsUqk )	[03:33]
phf	one of the quoted studies only looks at consciousness (for pair programming in class setting), and finds correlation. shouldn't that be removed from the metastudy stats on account of scewing one variable.	[03:36]
phf	but they say	[03:36]
phf	"There are some uncontrolled variables which may have affected the validity of the experimental results. One of these was students’ previous programming experience. We noticed that some of the students who already had a few years of programming experience achieved high scores in their test, but scored somewhat low on conscientiousness. They were strong programmers with appropriate knowledge and know-how of programming as compared with	[03:36]
phf	other students. Being highly conscientious may not be necessarily for these students in order to obtain good academic results in this particular course."	[03:36]
phf	you don't say!	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	this, as ben aptly pointed out the obvious to anyone who ever competently managed, or even sanely lived in proximity of programmers, is an outrageously clueless exercise in reductionism to the point of meaninglessness.	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	Oh, so it wasn't a twee portland meeting of two bicycles	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	"conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.	[03:38]
vulpes_a_hopital	joke's on me. again.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	is the assassin eating cake for breakfast at 11 am with a well oiled, well cleaned rifle in his lap - that he cleans and oils properly, every time, and has, irrespective of howp his profession makes it a dispoasable item - conscientious or not conscientious ?	[03:39]
mod6	vulpes_a_hopital: i've been told first babys take time. hang in there :]	[03:40]
phf	i naively went there to see how exactly they measured "programming aptitude" expecting some bogus methodology involving bug counts, the reality is just so incredibly bad, i'm now tracking original papers purely out of morbid fascination	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	"if he were ~~~truely~~~ conscientious he'd take better care of himself. plus he wouldn't go around killing people." yeah im sure.	[03:41]
vulpes_a_hopital	phf has found his turdpile, will now entomologize	[03:41]
vulpes_a_hopital	ty mod6	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	phf maybe it's time to start a blog.	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell thestringpuller http://qntra.net/2015/10/interview-with-david-francois-on-building-a-real-bitcoin-business/#comment-71537	[03:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:41]
assbot	Interview with David Francois on Building a Real Bitcoin Business \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZOgc1 )	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital seriously, labour under 12 hours is not even uncommon. can start worrying next month.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	o hey i gotta read this.	[03:42]
vulpes_a_hopital	labor under 12 hours?	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	what i mean is. for as long as it stays under half a day it's not even a moderately big deal.	[03:42]
vulpes_a_hopital	thestringpuller: howdja get to france if you couldn't make it to con3?	[03:43]
vulpes_a_hopital	mircea_popescu: again, what labor.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	aren't you a l'hopital to pick up the young vulpes ?	[03:43]
vulpes_a_hopital	myeah, if he ever decides to descend.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	so that labor!	[03:43]
pete_dushenski	lol	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	is he trolling us ?	[03:43]
vulpes_a_hopital	also i ain't even worried yet	[03:44]
vulpes_a_hopital	as labor has yet to begin!	[03:44]
vulpes_a_hopital	just...bored.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	well why;'d you go early ?	[03:44]
vulpes_a_hopital	42 weeks is early nao?	[03:44]
pete_dushenski	water broke early perhaps ?	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know!	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	(quote from actual father, many years ago "dude you will not FUCKING BELIEVE how much water is in there!")	[03:45]
vulpes_a_hopital	so riddle me this: where are the statistics for > 43 week long pregnancies	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know! << Person who has to clean the room?	[03:45]
pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital for first birth, like 20% at least	[03:45]
vulpes_a_hopital	but /where are the statistics/	[03:45]
vulpes_a_hopital	that's a great sounding number	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	vulpes_a_hopital: Baby's prolly going to give pete's a run for the money on size, or already has mommy issues	[03:46]
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pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital i'll get you the name of the book in the morning	[03:46]
pete_dushenski	and the figures	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway. let it be said real women deliver around the time strip clubs close. 6am, that sorta thing	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo no. chance. ben and lady v are markedly smaller parents.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital those don't exist. if she goes over 42.5 or so the doctors usually go in.	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: But if they bake it longer	[03:47]
vulpes_a_hopital	right, and tell pete_dushenski why that is?	[03:48]
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mircea_popescu	maybe he gets triplets :D	[03:48]
pete_dushenski	2 lbs each !	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	dodecuplets!!!	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	12 pounds each	[03:48]
pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital why what is ?	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	it's not his van giving birth BingoBoingo it's his wife.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	I thought that was in November, pretty sure this was his van	[03:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	decline in placental health.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo (archived). << butg no link	[03:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	an apparently healthy baby at 43 weeks may endure labor entirely differently than the 42 weeker, much less the 40 weeker.	[03:50]
vulpes_a_hopital	and there is /no way to predict/.	[03:50]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Fixed, my bad	[03:51]
pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital i'm missing something, not the least of which was that i read 42 and thought "oh, that's term!" lol	[03:51]
vulpes_a_hopital	moreover, because the doctors start insisting on going in at 42.5ish, there are very poor statistics on uninduced labor past 42 weeks or so.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital do yourself a favour and read something else.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	you'll drive yourself nuts.	[03:51]
vulpes_a_hopital	what i'm reading qntra	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	aok	[03:51]
vulpes_a_hopital	i scoped the stats, made my call.	[03:52]
vulpes_a_hopital	now i'm bored.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway. there is respectable research into this, they actually make sense, going in after 42 is the right move.	[03:52]
*	vulpes_a_hopital would love to see it, has been unimpressed so far	[03:52]
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BingoBoingo	Anyways that procedure has at least two millenia of safety behind it. Some women do it to themselves	[03:52]
pete_dushenski	anyone taken #bitcoin-birthing yet ?	[03:52]
pete_dushenski	not that i mind the subject matter..	[03:53]
vulpes_a_hopital	feature bloat, fueled by what consumers have come to expect, << top kek	[03:53]
vulpes_a_hopital	lol pete_dushenski you're blocked as "adult and pornography"	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	i actually like davout's answering style.	[03:55]
vulpes_a_hopital	that use of consensual threw me for a loop	[03:55]
pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital your hospital, canadian banks, what's next !	[03:55]
vulpes_a_hopital	trilema, however, totally ok.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	i can see the logic of htis.	[03:55]
pete_dushenski	weird, same as my buddy at his td office in calgary....	[03:56]
vulpes_a_hopital	"that the fucked up" << attn bingoboingo	[03:56]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu you do ?	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	yes. while it's true that trilema hosts one of the largest porn galleries in the western world,	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	vulpes_a_hopital: Fixed	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	your odds of finging it amonmg all the words are negligible.	[03:56]
vulpes_a_hopital	BingoBoingo: i think you want to insert a [sic] there and not correct the quote.	[03:57]
pete_dushenski	hm. i lack the words in which to cloak my true intention of spreading porn to the four corners of the digital world	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	it was an interview, transcription errors happen	[03:57]
vulpes_a_hopital	ah	[03:57]
vulpes_a_hopital	"rarely amount to any longevity"	[03:57]
vulpes_a_hopital	i'd say "enjoy" but that's just me.	[03:58]
*	pete_dushenski checks contravex word count... 417,967.	[03:58]
pete_dushenski	need moar !	[03:58]
vulpes_a_hopital	this brings up such sweet memories of wandering along the remodeled docks talking to davout about how great of a business paymium was	[03:58]
vulpes_a_hopital	er	[03:58]
vulpes_a_hopital	is	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	no, was is the right verbal form there. it's not tense, it's aspect.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	a frenchman would understand.	[03:59]
vulpes_a_hopital	and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end	[03:59]
vulpes_a_hopital	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 << classic	[04:00]
assbot	So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end << It is at the start	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr. her stuff is still remembered long after everyone forgot wtf gavin is supposed to have done last year.	[04:01]
pete_dushenski	she really set the pr bar	[04:02]
vulpes_a_hopital	BingoBoingo: with the obscurantism!	[04:02]
vulpes_a_hopital	okay so riddle me this	[04:02]
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vulpes_a_hopital	shithub will render markdown, org, jpeg, gif	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	!up kroko2	[04:03]
-assbot-	You voiced kroko2 for 30 minutes.	[04:03]
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vulpes_a_hopital	BUT NOT HTML	[04:03]
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vulpes_a_hopital	https://github.com/edicl/cl-ppcre/blob/master/doc/index.html	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	Heresy	[04:03]
assbot	cl-ppcre/index.html at master · edicl/cl-ppcre · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvNYb )	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital do you have ANY IDEA what's involved in rendering html ?	[04:03]
vulpes_a_hopital	they're rubros, stick it in an iframe	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	ha	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	HAHAHAHAHAHA	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	ooomaygerd.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	if that worked we wouldn' even know what "conscientious" programmer means.	[04:04]
vulpes_a_hopital	further lulz	[04:04]
vulpes_a_hopital	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/edicl/cl-ppcre/master/doc/index.html	[04:04]
assbot	CL-PPCRE - Portable Perl-compatible regular expressions for Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvWuT )	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	that should bother some ppls.	[04:04]
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vulpes_a_hopital	dafuq am i supposed to do	[04:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	write it to a tempfile and crack it open?	[04:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	install the package to read its documentation?	[04:05]
fluffypony	it's annoying as fuck when github renders markdown	[04:06]
fluffypony	especially for Jekyll projects	[04:06]
fluffypony	like I get that it renders README.md, but leave the rest of my files alone	[04:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.0005435 = 20.0552 BTC [-] {3}	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Sobriety on a Wednesday night is weird.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	;;google and there's nothing short as dying that's half as lonely as the south	[04:07]
gribble	Johnny Cash - Sunday Morning Coming Down - YouTube: ; Classic Cash- Johnny Cash - ManinBlack.net: ; South Park Quotes - Eircom:	[04:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	fluffypony: call me when it renders latex	[04:08]
BingoBoingo	vulpes_a_hopital: Which LaTex	[04:08]
BingoBoingo	Gotta pick a subset, or you'll go insane	[04:09]
vulpes_a_hopital	BingoBoingo: eeeeeeeeeee	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[04:12]
gribble	Error: That's all, there is no more.	[04:12]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 305.26, vol: 29103.54531666 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 298.649, vol: 10092.94027 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 305.86, vol: 27487.13828773 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 310.0, vol: 3.84156741 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 317.578584, vol: 57620.95010000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 299.0, vol: 154.35587978 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 295.056, vol: 158.6084734 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[04:12]
gribble	310.53204778	[04:12]
pete_dushenski	in other nyooz, "The police department in Anderson, north of Sacramento, announced this week that it plans to equip and train its force of 20 officers with the weapon, also called nunchuks, as a new means to detain uncooperative suspects while “limiting injuries”."	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	was in the logs.	[04:19]
pete_dushenski	my bad	[04:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00054336 = 16.2736 BTC [-] {3}	[04:22]
pete_dushenski	in other nyooz that actually is, "Google has teamed up with three Indonesian telecommunications companies to expand Internet access in that country using solar-powered balloons."	[04:23]
pete_dushenski	maybe not what you'd want to annouce of 'dc dirigible on the loose' day	[04:23]
pete_dushenski	"The project sends solar-powered balloons 16,000 feet (5,000 meters) into the air to deliver Internet access through radio frequency signals to antennae connected to buildings on the ground. The balloons use algorithms to find the best winds to carry them along their charted course."	[04:24]
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vulpes_a_hopital	re announcement maybe	[04:29]
vulpes_a_hopital	http://www.wired.com/2013/08/googlex-project-loon/	[04:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OZP0hw )	[04:29]
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pete_dushenski	vulpes_a_hopital that'd be the one.	[04:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/04/hop_with_russell_brand.html << rather interesting.	[04:42]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Hop, With Russell Brand: A Life Lesson For 4 Year Olds ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcBeY )	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	Where have you ever heard the words, "by the power vested in me?" That's right, it's a domestic partnership, a marriage of sorts, and rather than try and un-pc figure out which one's the girl and which one's the boy simply observe that person B finds actualization by completely subsuming his own identity into the business of person A, who in turn gets the leisure time to pursue other interests (like drumming.) That,	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	my fellow 4 year olds, is an American fairy tale.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	so the plan, if we lend credence to tlp's interpretation, and if we believe the data to be illustrative, is EXACTLY http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/#selection-81.0-81.481	[04:43]
assbot	The idea for a great film... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcErm )	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	but EXACTLY. minus, of course, the violence, the act of will. a negotiated, agreed upon, "by the power" deal.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	curious if it works.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	"0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child. This is axiomatic. No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes." Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.	[04:49]
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punkman	https://www.nobilified.com/	[05:13]
assbot	Nobilified \| We paint your face on history! ... ( http://bit.ly/20c3COt )	[05:13]
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mircea_popescu	!up stefek99	[05:19]
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stefek99	Why I was voiced? What does it mean?	[05:19]
stefek99	(I very rarely use IRC)	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	it means that you can say things.	[05:19]
punkman	https://www.instapainting.com/blog/company/2015/10/28/how-to-paint-10000-paintings/	[05:23]
assbot	How Do You Paint 10,000 Paintings a Month? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCKK4V )	[05:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/05/how_to_write_a_college_applica.html << wow. now this is a valuable tidbit : "Still don't see it? There's a very good chance that the only person who will ever read your college essay is 25 years old.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	II.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	In every college admissions website, they are referred to as "Admissions Officers." While I didn't assume they were in the military, I suppose I did assume they were... old. er.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	And some are, I guess, there's got to be an Admissions Dean in the building somewhere. But the average applicant is writing an essay that he thinks an adult with a suit and three kids would want to read. Instead, it's probably being read by someone who can't wait for the new iphone and still bites their nails. Ten grand says they think Jon Stewart is "a freakin' political genius.""	[05:26]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: How To Write A College Application Essay Or Personal Statement ... ( http://bit.ly/20c5mY0 )	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many kids actually earnestly trying to play that lottery know this is going to be the case and write to that audience (barristas)	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	"hool teacher to determine the curriculum's rigor. But the samples also tell something about the readers. "I had one essay that said how awful Twilight was"--the essay was about damaging themes of female submissiveness in the series--"and I was like, 'Admit her!' " says Melissa Faulner, a 2006 grad on the committee."	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	so very damaging, the themes of female submission. to otherwise unemployable, wasted-life-is-only-a-matter-of-time 13yo girls trapped in 25something female bodies.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	they damage the protective shelling they secreted!	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	" They don't give his age, they give a physical description. Media-- and The New Yorker is probably the wost offender of this-- offers a physical description of their subject as a code about their character in exactly the way the media would never allow a regular person to do." <<< right, because it's not about anythihng but trying to misrepresent themselves as powerful. the only reason random derp can't say "nigger"	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	in the restaurant is so that random fishwrap can say "upscale neighbourhood" like it means something.	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	this is, incidentally, a fundamental point to be considered for those inclined to interact with the scum (aka, non-qntra reporters), a point which that seduction expert (i don't recall which one but was in the logs - something about how he went on a "live" show where the 5 dollar audience bood him on cue) : you do want to control their codes. because you must project your own ownership of reality, and of their sorry pe	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	rsons. they might write IN the washington post, but for as long as they write ABOUT you they write FOR you. so they can write whatever they want, but they do NOT get to write "upscale neighbourhood", or, as tlp's apt example goes "If they profiled me it woudl start, "Wearing a disheveled undershirt clutching a rock..." and leave it to you to make an objective assessment (="drunkard, likely unbalanced.")".	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	and if they won't not let you, if they won't be EAGERLY complicit in your control of "their" codes, you punish them.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	badly.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	(which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	this one single thing is about 130% of what -the best of the best!- pr does, so let's put pete_d on notice about it.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/college%20essay.PNG :D	[05:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RCLJ5o )	[05:43]
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mircea_popescu	"There is something presumptuous, not to mention deluded, about a print magazine that no one reads claiming that a movie no one will see is a peerless window into something anyone can access anytime they want."	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	win.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	"Ponder that flippant run-on sentence for its hidden truth. Who judges whom? What are the criteria for becoming a judge? It's not popularity; nor the sophistication of the staff and writers; or the insight of a director. In the hierarchy of authenticity and truth, which one is at the top? Why can Variety call someone "internet obsessed" but no one can call Variety a "comic book" which, as I am about to show, it is	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	?"	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	they CAN. and they should. the reason they don't has a lot to do with that peerless question of "what would tlp do if he individuated".	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	stop playing with the toys ? likely, but not necessarily. stop thinking the toys were actual things ? definitely, foundationally.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	while there's nothing wrong with a 20yo playing with a dollhouse in her hoisiery, there IS something very very wrong with a 20yo that actually thinks of dolls as if they were people. or that "animals have rights too!", which is exactly a proxy for that.	[05:52]
davout	i haz an article	[06:14]
davout	an interenet celebraritee is me	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	eh, that's nothing.	[06:15]
davout	ugh, stop your micro-aggressing	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	until butthurt somethingawfulers add your name to the list of the various idiots you either personally sunk or otherwise frontrun the sinking of, you've not really made it!	[06:16]
davout	well, i do have a june something 2011 video going around where i, i essence, tell karupuresu he has no fucking clue how to run an exchange :D	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	there is hope for you!	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	but did you even get banned from fetlife irl or something ?	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	brigading is a prerequisite to celebrity!	[06:20]
davout	i did get demoted by theymos from my mod position for basically calling him a derp. i think that counts!11	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah there is hope for you.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	o wait you're no longer oppressing alt-language tards/noobs over at tardtalk ?	[06:25]
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davout	nah, bad_duck is doing it now	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	well... can't be 16 forever.	[06:29]
davout	anyway, i had a look around yesterday about deterministic signatures, and didn't find anything regarding the official cult position	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?	[06:29]
davout	nah, i was trying to figure out exactly, at what points should sane software accept user-generated entropy	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	this is actually an excellent question.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	i want to add a reference to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-09-2015#1278807	[06:31]
assbot	Logged on 18-09-2015 20:57:58; mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either	[06:31]
punkman	davout, here's a thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948829	[06:32]
assbot	Logged on 08-12-2014 23:27:03; punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.	[06:32]
davout	punkman: i shall read it, tyvm	[06:32]
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davout	mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong	[06:33]
davout	in the sense that, if you depend on it for 'generating' random numbers, as opposed to simply behaving like a strictly deterministic machine, you're fuxxored	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah. you know what's wrong ? that you want to fuck it, is what's wrong. sadly, there's not going to be any solution to people wnating to fuck their computers.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	so we're stuck figuring out the rng issues.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever.	[06:34]
davout	i want to fuck my computer?	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	you do.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	you are NOT content with it being a simple calculator. it gotta wear fucking heels and lipstick for you.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	you want to play fucking games and whatnot.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	you want to fuck your computer, that's all there is to it.	[06:35]
davout	lolwut	[06:36]
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mircea_popescu	i'm actually serious, tho it sounds pretty nutty.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	the usecases for "computer" precludes the calculator model, let's put it this way.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not judging anyone for wanting to fuck their box. i understand the impulse, and hey, it beats trying to fuck your station wagon. or mains socket.	[06:38]
davout	you're the one doing the freudian slips tho	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	probably. where ?	[06:40]
davout	the box thing	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	why do you suppose it is we don't all run dos ?	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	"not good enough". really ? not good enough for what ? "networking!!1". o ?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	"sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."	[06:42]
davout	i'm not saying that being a calculator should be the alpha and omega of computing, just that for crypto purposes it's probably better to not think of a RNG as something acceptable	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	well, acceptable or not im pretty much persuaded it's something that must be in there.	[06:43]
davout	the RNG in the computer?	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	but the more interesting question is twinfold : a) why would you not think of a calculator as the omega of computing and b) what would be the omega of computing then ?	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	b) is obviously "a girlfriend that's also god". of course.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah the rng.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	(also, the RNG content of a computer is not strictly found in a box labeled such).	[06:45]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, all this aside : digging out the whole rng story is a huge hot core of useful, important inquiry.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	insist.	[06:47]
davout	i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	or, for that matter, only one kind of state.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[06:48]
davout	mebbe	[06:49]
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mircea_popescu	"most hot chicks, in order to be hot, copy something a celebrity wears; remember the Rachel-do? No problem, they look hot in it; but their delusion is that they are referencing Jennifer Aniston and not the millions of other women with the exact same haircut, i.e. that they draw their identity only from the celebrity's identity-- "This look really says me!" Yet sit along the wall of the bar and the conclusion is inevi	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	table: yes, you're hot, but you don't look like Rachel, you look like the other hot chick right next to you. And, bafflingly, you did it on purpose."	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	globalization's a thing. market competition is a thing. there will be always a dominant type of anything.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	and generally, the more power, the more power law.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	the reason there existed ten thousand types of typewriter and exactly one ibm xt is that typewriters suck.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	"That's the difference between Wikileaks and the regular press. For the reporter, climate change is not a scientific question, or else it wouldn't matter what cables get released. It's a political one, in which competing narratives are bolstered by circumstantial evidence and appeals to authority and control of the debate." << epic. from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/05/3_important_things_about_the_n.html	[06:59]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: 3 Important Things About The New Wikileaks Controversy ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDHYew )	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".	[07:02]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310480 << substitute 'human compiler' for 'programmer' and suddenly it all makes sense...	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 06:35:59; mircea_popescu: "conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.	[10:43]
asciilifeform	yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious'	[10:44]
asciilifeform	see also my old article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388	[10:44]
assbot	Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWqkWp )	[10:44]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay.	[10:47]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 03:35:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to	[10:47]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310341 << dan mocsny got there first. (along with prolly every single fella who took the pill, knowing the secret of the why.)	[10:49]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 04:14:23; BingoBoingo: "The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."	[10:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it	[10:50]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:18; mircea_popescu: "0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child. This is axiomatic. No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes." Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.	[10:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310644 << goes great with mircea_popescu's 'everyone thinks he's a baron now' thing	[10:51]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 08:10:57; punkman: https://www.nobilified.com/	[10:51]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310695 << basic idea: go and try to actually TEST, e.g., gpg key generator. as in, deterministically. this is nontrivial - gotta saw off the entropy collector and replace with something.	[10:55]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:27:34; mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?	[10:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310702 << i don't regard the subject as a box of mysteries.	[10:57]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:04; mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.	[10:57]
asciilifeform	see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2013#391471	[10:57]
assbot	Logged on 25-11-2013 03:41:29; asciilifeform: the essential, non-negotiable property of an rng suitable for crypto is that its output must not be readily available to the enemy.	[10:57]
asciilifeform	there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.')	[10:59]
asciilifeform	that's pretty much it.	[10:59]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again..	[11:01]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:47; davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong	[11:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310723 << your thinkpad is faster than half of the machines in the room from which i'm posting. but 'workstation' has specific meaning.	[11:02]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:35; mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?	[11:02]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310724 << MP DOES NOT WRITE SOFTWARE	[11:03]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:46; mircea_popescu: "sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."	[11:03]
asciilifeform	how much of his life does mircea_popescu spend waiting for compiles? for numbers to crunch? and i specifically mean WAITING FOR A MACHINE not for a human operator to get his shit together	[11:03]
asciilifeform	~this~ is part of what 'workstation' means. minimizing the hours of your life BURNED waiting for a cpu.	[11:04]
asciilifeform	the other half of what it means is NUKING as much as possible of the share of your life spent waiting for your hands to move viewports around, and the like.	[11:05]
asciilifeform	this means a ROOM full of displays if you can swing it	[11:05]
asciilifeform	and the requisite hardware to drive it.	[11:05]
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asciilifeform	i still recall the days when a developer would spend an hour a day WAITING FOR REBOOTS	[11:07]
asciilifeform	because the box COULD CRASH	[11:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ^ THIS is why not msdos.	[11:07]
asciilifeform	if for no other reason.	[11:07]
asciilifeform	though perhaps this is a good time to remind people that a sane computer would look quite like an msdos box in some ways	[11:08]
asciilifeform	e.g., if you can have 48 'cores' there is NO REASON TO HAVE A SCHEDULER	[11:09]
asciilifeform	just populate them with whatever needs to be running, ever. preferably at boot.	[11:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310745 << i read this piece but do not grasp how it relates to my position on *leaks	[11:10]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:59:49; mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be tr	[11:10]
thestringpuller	;;later tell ben_vulpes via a series of tubes	[11:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:10]
asciilifeform	(which is, roughly, that the 'leaks' thus far are 1% good stuff - e.g., the ANT catalogue, the ECI directorates list, and that's pretty much IT - while the remainder is 9 parts cheapo operational garbage to 1 part deliberate disinfo)	[11:11]
asciilifeform	nothing in there about 'context'.	[11:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310734 << dingdingding winner	[11:19]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:46:02; davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer	[11:19]
asciilifeform	a ~workstation~ is one particular kind. and it means different things to different people, yes.	[11:20]
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asciilifeform	e.g., to walk the blockchain, verify a raid array 24/7 in a loop, handle six parallel compiles; store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set; etc.	[11:21]
asciilifeform	it is not, i will note, essential that all of these things happen on the ~same~ cpu	[11:22]
asciilifeform	but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.	[11:23]
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davout	"store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set" <<< i thought emacs could generate bach fugues	[11:24]
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vulpes_a_hopital	davout: http://overtone.github.io/	[11:27]
assbot	Overtone - Collaborative Programmable Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEbaSH )	[11:27]
vulpes_a_hopital	wankery aside, it's a nifty interface to the engine	[11:27]
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vulpes_a_hopital	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310756 << perhaps i lose sight of what it is to "be rich", but all one must do is...not send the kids off to socialist day camp.	[11:29]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:47:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it	[11:29]
davout	vulpes_a_hopital: lol nice, the cheatsheet is like 4 pages long !1	[11:30]
vulpes_a_hopital	davout: learning to play that software is a pretty long journey	[11:31]
davout	looks like it	[11:31]
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phf	hipster programmer, hates github, goes to github to read package documentation	[12:03]
phf	vulpes_a_hopital: edi weitz's code only recently got its own github repos when others took over the maintenance (mostly to ensure that it can be packaged into quicklisp). but a canonical place for cl-ppcre (and a handful of other lisp packages for doing "modern" programming) is http://weitz.de/lisp.html	[12:06]
assbot	Edi Weitz - Common Lisp code ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSL9D8 )	[12:06]
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davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310797 <<< its gay if panels are touching. i think you could hardly consider parts actually isolated from each other if they're in physical proximity	[12:20]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 14:20:46; asciilifeform: but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.	[12:20]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310803 << last i heard, this costs money.	[13:28]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 14:27:14; vulpes_a_hopital: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310756 << perhaps i lose sight of what it is to "be rich", but all one must do is...not send the kids off to socialist day camp.	[13:28]
ascii_field	(supposing that you're not a mexican peasant who can harness them to the plough when they're six y.o.)	[13:28]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310811 << if your shit is all plugged into the same mains breaker without isolation transformers you're equally incestuous...	[13:36]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 15:17:46; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310797 <<< its gay if panels are touching. i think you could hardly consider parts actually isolated from each other if they're in physical proximity	[13:36]
ascii_field	in other nyooz, for mircea_popescu et al, https://i.imgur.com/YHdmZTP.jpg	[13:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NDgUfT )	[13:37]
davout	ascii_field: agreed	[13:38]
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davout	so today, i had a customer complain by e-mail that he had trouble getting in front of everyone in the order book, and that it was a bad experience	[13:42]
davout	because some bot kept... getting in front of him	[13:42]
davout	"ohai, i'm trying to do X, and i get frustrated because someone automated X and is therefore doing it better than me, pls to change the rules accordingly"	[13:43]
pete_dushenski	rage against the machine (tm) (r)	[13:43]
pete_dushenski	'they took ur jobs !'	[13:44]
davout	"In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market. They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"	[13:46]
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punkman	davout: do the bots rapidly cancel orders?	[13:59]
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pete_dushenski	davout: reminds me of the 'market researchers' in http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/	[13:59]
assbot	What the market is and what it isn’t. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDjm6j )	[13:59]
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davout	punkman: not really	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	'if a market isn't fair and equally distributive for all participants, it's not a market'	[14:01]
davout	pete_dushenski: lol, nice new pic!	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	davout: i think your besuited linkedin pic subconsciously inspired it	[14:03]
davout	#b-a is getting all corporate and shit I guess	[14:03]
pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field	[14:03]
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pete_dushenski	davout: as long as we don't all have to wear ibm blue corporate suits and plain white shirts ;)	[14:04]
pete_dushenski	and in further 'let's all get along mkay'/'#b-a attitude is mean' news, some more lulzy comments in my direction from that (not so) random car blog :	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	"Pete seems to think that by attacking any and everything that many people hold dear, he is showing himself a free thinker who is exposing hypocrisy. But I think jz78817 provides a much clearer and simpler explanation of the behavior: total @ss-holeness, used as a defense mechanism for a total inability to get along with most, if not all, people."	[14:06]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b25	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	"And if Pete’s ego gets fueled by what he might consider success in waging his “social experiments” amongst your other followers, I would expect that, like bad money driving out good, too much Pete D will result in a decline in participation by others who manage to take different viewpoints, and disagree, while not finding it necessary to insult each other, people’s countries, their religions, the attrac	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	tiveness of their children, and any and every other thing that might qualify as a button to press."	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	"To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."	[14:07]
davout	which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"	[14:07]
ascii_field	since pete_dushenski is awake, i suppose i ought to try to explain to him whatever it is that he doesn't seem to grasp re: my being a slave.	[14:07]
pete_dushenski	davout: thus, facebook was born	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: shoot	[14:08]
ascii_field	let's start with the basics	[14:08]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 <<< because obviously the team will happily be my personal army and not simply take my gf and point at me laughing	[14:08]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."	[14:08]
ascii_field	how did pete_dushenski arrive at the notion that i was ~not~ a slave ?	[14:09]
pete_dushenski	davout: lol commenter dood can't even imagine such a thing !	[14:09]
ascii_field	is it because i get to post weird shit on the net ?	[14:10]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: never said you weren't, just that perhaps you're an upper class slave ?	[14:10]
ascii_field	newzflash: sometimes slaves are permitted their slave derpitudes in their cabins on plantation.	[14:10]
ascii_field	there is no such thing as 'upper class slave'	[14:10]
ascii_field	today i am permitted things, tomorrow - perhaps not	[14:10]
davout	ascii_field: after reading a bit about ancient rome i have to disagree	[14:10]
ascii_field	roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.	[14:11]
ascii_field	;;later tell BingoBoingo https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/95069240?trk=vsrp_jobs_cluster_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A168653501446058347732%2CVSRPtargetId%3A95069240%2CVSRPcmpt%3Ajobs_cluster << add to the balloon story	[14:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20dsTHZ )	[14:11]
davout	it was explicit, but i'd be curious to hear more about how it's in effect different	[14:12]
davout	other than today's slavery being implicit	[14:12]
ascii_field	davout: this is how: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-10-2015#1305374	[14:12]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2015 16:54:16; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305362 << nobody abolished slavery, ever. but a few generations of ascendant industrial degenerates ~did~ find a way to dispense with the parts they disliked - the ones where you have to actually care for your pets	[14:12]
davout	that doesn't mean there's no hierarchy among slaves	[14:13]
ascii_field	there can be no ~stable~ hierarchy among them.	[14:14]
ascii_field	master can lower any slave into pederasty when he likes.	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	there can be no stable hierarchy. anywhere.	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	anytime.	[14:15]
davout	this.	[14:15]
ascii_field	idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable	[14:16]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00007458 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b32	[14:16]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: but you're not both slaves, nor both masters	[14:17]
ascii_field	well yes	[14:17]
ascii_field	my point is that 'anytime anywhere' is fucking nonsense	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	no one's saying that there isn't a fair degree of stability inter-class, rather intra-	[14:17]
ascii_field	some hierarchies are geologically stable.	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	that's a different argument than 'all slaves are low class slaves'	[14:18]
pete_dushenski	there are gradations in all things, classes idem	[14:18]
pete_dushenski	which is why some slaves become free-men, some don't	[14:19]
ascii_field	the basic idea in being a slave,	[14:19]
ascii_field	is that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL	[14:19]
ascii_field	over what happens to you.	[14:19]
punkman	relevant draft by nntaleb https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50282823/employee.pdf	[14:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NDlqey )	[14:19]
davout	ascii_field: you do have a fair level of control i'd say	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: you see that this would be a largely, if not completely, personal assessment ?	[14:20]
ascii_field	no.	[14:20]
ascii_field	it is a pretty objective thing.	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	yes, if someone has life and death control over you	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	as in, bullet	[14:20]
davout	and note that i'm extremely unqualified to speak on the subject, but it seems to me that as long as you behave, you don't get beaten up	[14:20]
ascii_field	or as in can't-make-rent	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	can't-make-rent means foodstamps and midnight line-ups at walmart	[14:21]
ascii_field	davout: ANY TIME i can end up in the position of having to do ANYTHING, how the fuck is this so hard to grasp	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	not death	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	'but it feels like death'	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	^wouldn't be terribly objective now would it	[14:22]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?	[14:22]
pete_dushenski	in the material. breathing+heart beating = life.	[14:22]
davout	ascii_field: i guess i fail to see how, unless at gun point obv.	[14:22]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: being places in a position where you can no longer meet your WoT obligations differs from death how ?!	[14:22]
ascii_field	*placed	[14:22]
pete_dushenski	this is no different than the position of the 'master' y'know	[14:23]
pete_dushenski	upper class too	[14:24]
ascii_field	wt	[14:24]
ascii_field	f	[14:24]
ascii_field	are you on lsd, pete_dushenski ?	[14:24]
pete_dushenski	one of us is !	[14:25]
davout	lol	[14:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52937 @ 0.00054589 = 28.8978 BTC [+] {2}	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_eth << heh. ginormous dead cat bounce.	[14:32]
assbot	Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwg1O )	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	never surrender !	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/ << 10 points in 10 games. right on track for upset in 82 game season.	[14:33]
assbot	BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (12%) on Yes, 1.41 B (88%) on No \| closing in 3 months 3 days \| weight: 73`290 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t )	[14:33]
pete_dushenski	may be of interest to gabrielradio^	[14:34]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell gabrielradio have you seen this one ? http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va	[14:34]
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assbot	Insarcinati-va! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwGoP )	[14:34]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell funkenstein_ http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/28/how-to-tell-if-youre-middle-class/#comment-34086	[14:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:35]
assbot	How to tell if you’re middle class. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwNAS )	[14:35]
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mircea_popescu	o look, a log.	[14:36]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310643 << yin and yang.	[14:38]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:35; mircea_popescu: that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.	[14:38]
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BingoBoingo	ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-brings-destruction/#comment-71640	[14:40]
assbot	Billion Dollar Blimp Brings Destruction \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20dxLwP )	[14:40]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310668 << on notice is me :)	[14:41]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 08:33:50; mircea_popescu: (which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)	[14:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310749 << not to mention hotter. I suspect the next step, 5th wave feminism, will consist on rounding up some men and making them pull barges for this benefit.	[14:47]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:42:07; asciilifeform: yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious'	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310752 << the two can coexist. and he IS a coccooned girl in many aspects	[14:48]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:44:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay.	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	ANd Google Fiber Dissapoint its first city: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article41746446.html	[14:49]
assbot	Google Fiber apologizes for outage at World Series start, cites server problems \| The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/20dzcLS )	[14:49]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/10/interview-with-david-francois-on-building-a-real-bitcoin-business/#comment-71571 << should would enable stupid? or let him reread the article a few times until he finds the link.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	this "if only i won a war - then i'd be adult, which means with women, too" thing boys keep doing doth not work irl. yes, he's adult, he pays bills. he has all the weird of a 15yo girl in relation to the one year older "WHORES!!!! SLUTS!!!!" as in for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/06/an_education.html	[14:49]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: An Education ... ( http://bit.ly/20dzaU1 )	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	omaigerd anyone who would invite a 16yo into life is a psychopath!!1. which really masks "omaygerd being 16 is so fucking scary!111" which he can't confront. because 15. but maybe next summer, after camp...	[14:50]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: I put it there	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: excellent use of 'lemma' and 'palea' ;)	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	lol. tsp workin hard!	[14:51]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: unless your intel folks told you something i don't know about tlp - his life is a pisspot because he lives and works in usaschwitz being veterinarian to the cattle, rather than because he fails to properly grasp the mechanics of 16 y.o. gurlz...	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	not grasp it. live it.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	there is a difference.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	i grasp flight and lo can not fly, either	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	is this because i live in argentina, where no one flies ?	[14:52]
ascii_field	what does this 'live it' look like in practical engineering terms ?	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	is it because i eat the tainted food of argentines, who are the sort of people who don't fly, and probably for a reason ?	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	if only i had better food! like say blue food. who hid all the blue food ?	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field live it looks like nothing in "practical, engineering terms" of people who do not, for that very reason. what does a mechanism that will allow you to step on the moon look in practical terms, of chairs and stacking strategies ?	[14:53]
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ascii_field	^ this is precisely what i was trying to say !	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	so then there we go!	[14:54]
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Garmin	thanks for the up	[14:56]
pete_dushenski	Garmin: are you a gps-bot ?	[14:56]
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mircea_popescu	sure.	[14:56]
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Garmin	nope, ima human meat bot lol	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310758 << speaking of which, i would ~love~ to find thatarticle where i explain that's the problem of fertility and marriage, that society can't afford to pay these delusional baronets what it used to pay the actual ones to mount woman.	[14:58]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:48:58; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310644 << goes great with mircea_popescu's 'everyone thinks he's a baron now' thing	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	dja recall it ascii_field ?	[14:58]
pete_dushenski	Garmin: and what brings your meatness here this fine day ?	[14:59]
ascii_field	most recently in one with 'insanity' in the title iirc	[14:59]
shinohai	Don't believe him, Garmin resides in my radio	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310760 << would be VERY useful to fuzz the shit out of it, and actually we'd be doing this if gpg weren't slated for removal. trivial to instrument, replace /urand with a counter and let it run and compare the output.	[14:59]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:53:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310695 << basic idea: go and try to actually TEST, e.g., gpg key generator. as in, deterministically. this is nontrivial - gotta saw off the entropy collector and replace with something.	[14:59]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: in your gabrielradio ?	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field no months ago. maybe year+	[15:00]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i have done this, fwiw.	[15:00]
ascii_field	and many other things.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	to any notable result ?	[15:00]
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ascii_field	if i had a notable result, i might have posted it, no?	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	makes two of us.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	all the work and expense that goes into not saying anything at all...	[15:01]
ascii_field	as it is, nobody gives a fuck about 'i have done this' and this is proper.	[15:01]
Garmin	pete_dushenski < is tricked by shinohai meat bot AI =)	[15:01]
ascii_field	99.9% of what i do - never mentioned	[15:01]
ascii_field	because why?!	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	i do better than that, because sex.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	but still, 80% ?	[15:01]
*	ascii_field doesn't post the sex either	[15:01]
ascii_field	except perhaps for that endoscope pic	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	same reason ?	[15:02]
ascii_field	aha!	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	kay hehe.	[15:02]
ascii_field	why share the things that compress so well with prior art.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310766 << the problem is wider than just "what's a good rng" or even acceptable conceptually "As rng". such as, "why is one there ?"	[15:03]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:57:12; asciilifeform: there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.')	[15:03]
ascii_field	iirc i discussed this at great length	[15:03]
ascii_field	(re: how rng-ness is not a mathematical property of the bits, etc.)	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	right	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	and we will be discussing it at length in the future.	[15:03]
ascii_field	for some reason some people find the idea a very tough nut	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	rng is imo least understood part of the box. a sort of equivalent of magnetism in physics.	[15:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310772 << then what's trilema!	[15:05]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 14:00:48; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310724 << MP DOES NOT WRITE SOFTWARE	[15:05]
ascii_field	rng is merely ~one~ way to perform the function that it is for	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	it's not fucking hardware, is it ?	[15:05]
ascii_field	trilema is text.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	what is this "text" ?	[15:05]
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ascii_field	hssssshsh.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	yeees ?	[15:06]
ascii_field	khhhh.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	it is my fault you use words like fucking Vogue ?	[15:06]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Google Fiber Dissapoints First City to Host Service - http://qntra.net/2015/10/google-fiber-dissapoints-first-city-to-host-service/	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	bbl	[15:06]
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ascii_field	'text' doesn't need to satisfy a compiler.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	the ~ reason ~ "programming" decayed into its present shape IS THAT there is no difference to be had.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	this sort of thing is what i MEAN when i say "understand rng".	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	nobody "in computing" seems to have understood or even wanted to think about "wtf is this text"	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field then trilema isn't text.	[15:08]
ascii_field	let's do the basics then/	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	let's.	[15:08]
ascii_field	can describe 'text' as a program as well. simply with much larger valid phase space.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	and what is "larger"	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	is this a hilbert hotel sort of faux larger ?	[15:09]
ascii_field	no	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	did you count alphs ? do you have a definition of alephs ?	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	do not speak to me without backing, for i will eat your words.	[15:10]
ascii_field	simply that is is a program for a certain kind of apparatus, where the instructions correspond to throwing glyphs on a display	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	a "kind" ? what kind.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	computers are a kind now ?	[15:11]
ascii_field	the kind that takes octets and turns'em into glyphs ?	[15:11]
ascii_field	(e.g., a vt100)	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	you mean, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310768 ?	[15:12]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 13:58:56; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again..	[15:12]
*	BingoBoingo kinda with alf in that Trilema text kinda needs compiled after reading to really be understood.	[15:12]
ascii_field	before any of this, it was a 'program' for an ibm selectric	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	octets ftr simply means "numbers under 256". as if.	[15:12]
ascii_field	originally sextets, iirc	[15:12]
ascii_field	(64 hammers)	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	what, if you arbitrarily chunk content into "humbers under 256" you've now done something ?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	is 1 an octet ?	[15:13]
ascii_field	nope	[15:13]
ascii_field	but 000001 is.	[15:13]
ascii_field	rather 00000001	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	o i see. nominalism gonna save you from the buttrape ?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	"by the power invested in me i hereby call him my 00000boyfriend! all is well now!"	[15:14]
ascii_field	what 'nominalism', it's a physical recipe to make the correct hammer fall	[15:14]
ascii_field	because apparently it is 1948 again and we need to	[15:14]
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ascii_field	https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/b4/1f/75b41f41ad261cb7da8cf40e749ae99c.jpg << the original octets.	[15:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20dFB9E )	[15:16]
ascii_field	(those in question.)	[15:17]
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ascii_field	http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/07b_creed_444.jpg << and where to put it.	[15:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20dFVoZ )	[15:18]
ascii_field	recall the thread about the line feed characters ?	[15:18]
ascii_field	we are still emulating the vt100, which in turn emulated this simple machine, telex.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	hey, you wanted it to be 1948 again	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	remember ?	[15:19]
ascii_field	aha	[15:19]
ascii_field	though telex existed in the 30s, there are nazi examples preserved	[15:19]
ascii_field	so we can go there if we like. or to van kempelen's musical boxes if we must.	[15:19]
ascii_field	1700s	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	what, definition by example ?	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	that's how we got in the fucking mess in the first place, if that's all you wqanna do how about we just microsoft.	[15:20]
ascii_field	what would a mircea_popescu-spec definition look like ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	dude if i knew i'd know and say something.	[15:21]
ascii_field	and what better example can there be of illustration of the concept of 'program' than a music box ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	forget illustrating	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	i thought you wanted to proceed correctly.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	rather than the quick new jersey hacks	[15:21]
ascii_field	what is missing ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	provable, yes ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	you could start with having actual definitions.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to illustrating what you see of the world with examples.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	the problem of examples (symbols, generally, whichy is what they are) is that everyone looking at them understands their own thing.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	whichy is how "EVERYONE" loved obama in 2009 and everyone hated him in 2011.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	what, he changed ?	[15:22]
ascii_field	what's wrong with, e.g., 'program' == 'sequence of symbols, each of which corresponds to one particular action'	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	that then you want to exclude trilema.	[15:23]
ascii_field	and yes, this is a kindergarten summary, and yes, if somebody pays for it, i can go and teach 'theory of computation' where we do 'symbol', 'language', 'formal automaton', etc. as rigorously as we want	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	for starters.	[15:24]
ascii_field	to rigor mortis if we like	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	wait, you're going back to the old paradigms ?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	again : if you're willing to do that TO BE SAVED from adversity in the field, why even bother taking the field! just continue the paradigm.	[15:24]
ascii_field	we can do any isomorphism we want - wanna do church numerals?	[15:24]
ascii_field	peano arithm?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dude. maybe we do. do you know ?	[15:24]
ascii_field	depends what kind of nut we want to crack, no ?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem we have a good idea of that, either.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	damned thing keeps changing, we started wanting to fix bitcoin	[15:25]
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mats	http://uk.businessinsider.com/riksbank-increasing-qe-in-sweden-2015-10	[15:41]
assbot	Riksbank increasing QE in Sweden - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/20dK38k )	[15:41]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Judge Orders Dotcom Begin Extradition Defense Monday - http://qntra.net/2015/10/judge-orders-dotcom-begin-extradition-defense-monday/	[15:49]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Game Bug Makes 12 GB RAM Required on Windows 10 - http://qntra.net/2015/10/game-bug-makes-12-gb-ram-required-on-windows-10/	[16:05]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Illinois Universities Follow State in Credit Rating Freefall - http://qntra.net/2015/10/illinois-universities-follow-state-in-credit-rating-freefall/	[16:27]
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BingoBoingo	Fiat world is really suffering today	[16:51]
jurov	BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional?	[16:51]
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thestringpuller	jurov: the character or the game?	[16:54]
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jurov	the game, so it deserves qntra mention	[16:55]
thestringpuller	the game is unplayable on windows	[16:55]
thestringpuller	cause it isn't optimized for PC	[16:55]
jurov	if it had linux port, it could excessively swap or crash the kernel via gpu turd, too	[16:56]
jurov	so you said every failed port is now qntrable?	[16:56]
thestringpuller	good point. dunno.	[16:57]
jurov	and saying that vuln in truecrypt management utility makes whole thing "fatally flawed to an unusable extent" is...	[16:58]
jurov	just an artistic licensa	[16:59]
jurov	*licence	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth << check it out, a wikipedia article that's not terrible.	[16:59]
assbot	Monomyth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1inc1fV )	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	mostly on the grounds of being 100% stolen from cambell and co, but anyway.	[16:59]
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jurov	if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	gotta start somewhere tho.	[17:06]
jurov	guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	can't hurt.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	Campbell: "Atonement consists in no more than the abandonment of that self-generated double monster—the dragon thought to be God (superego) and the dragon thought to be Sin (repressed id). But this requires an abandonment of the attachment to ego itself, and that is what is difficult. One must have a faith that the father is merciful, and then a reliance on that mercy. Therewith, the center of belief is transferred o	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	utside of the bedeviling god's tight scaly ring, and the dreadful ogres dissolve. It is in this ordeal that the hero may derive hope and assurance from the helpful female figure, by whose magic (pollen charms or power of intercession) he is protected through all the frightening experiences of the father's ego-shattering initiation. For if it is impossible to trust the terrifying father-face, then one's faith must be ce	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	ntered elsewhere (Spider Woman, Blessed Mother); and with that reliance for support, one endures the crisis—only to find, in the end, that the father and mother reflect each other, and are in essence the same. The problem of the hero going to meet the father is to open his soul beyond terror to such a degree that he will be ripe to understand how the sickening and insane tragedies of this vast and ruthless cosmos are	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands—and the two are atoned."	[17:07]
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ascii_field	jurov: intel's rootkit unfortunately in no way qualifies as nyooz	[17:13]
ascii_field	now, if, e.g., jurov dusted off his electron microscope & reversed the blob, ~that~ could be nyooz	[17:13]
jurov	oh, i have electron microscope?	[17:14]
ascii_field	supposing!	[17:14]
ascii_field	the interesting bit is that the 'me' turd is not encrypted in the usual sense of the word	[17:15]
ascii_field	but merely compressed - with an unknown dictionary (the latter, in mask rom)	[17:15]
ascii_field	conceivably one could determine the actual instructions executed by the me coprocessor with dpa	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	now that would be news.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	publish that, let me get my money's forth for all the "bulletproof" bs qntra is on.	[17:16]
ascii_field	if someone pays for this to happen - it will happen. right here on my desk	[17:16]
ascii_field	but it's a bit thick for 'after dinner hack.'	[17:16]
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jurov	how much?	[17:16]
ascii_field	more than anyone wants to pay for this.	[17:17]
jurov	what if S.NSA would wish to?	[17:17]
ascii_field	i'd put together a formal quote if i had the least reason to think anyone seriously were asking.	[17:17]
ascii_field	jurov: we're talking about 6 mo. to a year of full time wizardry.	[17:18]
ascii_field	approximately.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field what does it cost to happen iyo ?	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	ah so like 50k sorta thing ?	[17:18]
ascii_field	no fewer than 100k.	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	6 months, tax free, self directed costs more than one year, pre tax, have to commute sort of job ?	[17:19]
ascii_field	costs same.	[17:19]
ascii_field	i must also point out, out of ordinary scientific integrity, that there could be no guarantee of finding buried treasure in that blob.	[17:21]
ascii_field	could be that it is merely a placeholder.	[17:21]
jurov	btw, sounds weird to me that no one'd pay 100k to try for such potential treasure	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	obviously this is a discussion at the wrong end of "everything costs more and takes longer" type of process.	[17:21]
ascii_field	or makes use of further, inner obfuscations yet unknown.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov why ?	[17:22]
ascii_field	it is a discussion of a very unlikely thing. i can't picture why anybody would order this.	[17:22]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional? << Dollars sunk into broken software.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	you are essentially going "i wonder why nobody at the all-girls catholic school is willing to have sex in exchange of footage of other girls in the shower".	[17:23]
BingoBoingo	if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game << This has to go "bigger"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	wh ythe fuck would they ?! they need to see another cunt like you need a hair in your yoghurt	[17:23]
BingoBoingo	guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself << Please do.	[17:23]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu is correct	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	all the derps that this'd be interesting to are essentially on the same side of the same market : wanna make money (sex) out of their "skillz" (having a cunt)	[17:24]
jurov	at least china would be doing it, no?	[17:24]
ascii_field	china has own r.e. folks.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	again - everyone to whom this would be useful has own re folks.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	whether they're any good or this good or good i nany sense is aside, and really not the point.	[17:27]
ascii_field	aha!	[17:28]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu gets it!	[17:28]
ascii_field	and ~now~ possibly he also gets why i am chained to my meatwot	[17:28]
ascii_field	and expect to starve when it gives out.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	fancy that i do not.	[17:29]
ascii_field	you almost grasped it	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	think : how come i get it ?	[17:29]
ascii_field	notice that nobody who needs something expensively reversed needs strangers for anything	[17:29]
ascii_field	or am i mistaken that you noticed this, earlier.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	i'm niether china nor korea nor etc.	[17:29]
ascii_field	because intel squad ?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	but HOW COME ?	[17:30]
ascii_field	or possibly out of general grasp of the mechanics	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	see, why didn't I starve once my original meatwot gave out ?	[17:30]
ascii_field	because meatwizard.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	how come i wasn't even there for that event ?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	oh i see. in a world of lizzards and wizzards, what's a girl to do!	[17:31]
jurov	mircea_popescu: you have had something expensively reversed?	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	on occasion.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	most recently, yesterday.	[17:32]
ascii_field	but - unsurprisingly - he has his own people for this.	[17:32]
ascii_field	in the same way as he has the intel dept, mircea_popescucoin squad (whoever maintains that 0.6-compat. thing), etc.	[17:33]
ascii_field	this is all entirely reasonable.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the important thing here being that it is not even expensive. it's free. for me. which is a large part of the problem - medieval knights didn't get paid in cash nor did they pay cash for the fees.	[17:35]
ascii_field	free in the way your flat is ?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	capitalism works well, but is not well suited to the tasks that feudalism requires.	[17:35]
ascii_field	or didja have a gurl do it, or what.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it is complicated.	[17:35]
ascii_field	if you ever feel like explaining, i promise to listen.	[17:35]
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ascii_field	in case n00bz are reading this: nobody pays 100 tonnes for a reversing gig to some unknown for the same reason all 'assassination markets' are usg hoaxes	[17:37]
jurov	i never meant it that way	[17:37]
ascii_field	jurov: out of curiosity, what did you have in mind ?	[17:38]
jurov	i understand there must be a pool of scientists, as staff or in wot that must be reassigned to this	[17:38]
jurov	which pool must first exist in some form	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.	[17:39]
jurov	O.o	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[17:39]
jurov	why it cannot happen such that mossad goes to tel aviv university and places an order?	[17:40]
ascii_field	it could	[17:40]
ascii_field	but i don't work in either.	[17:40]
ascii_field	nobody invited me there.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov why can't it happen you go to neighbour's wife and place an order ?	[17:41]
ascii_field	^	[17:41]
jurov	nonsense	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[17:41]
jurov	how is that comparable<	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	not how this works. if you wanna call it nonsense, show where it doesn't work.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	all you need is a point.	[17:41]
jurov	what you describe would be mossad going to german uni	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	and how do they know this ?	[17:42]
jurov	mossad has files on all the professors?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	maybe "german" is next apt building.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	so what if it does ?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	stalker has files on all the celebs, does that mean they're sexually intimate now ?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	(i suppose the deeply lame situation of secret servicemen in this regard has escape all notice prior ?)	[17:43]
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ascii_field	jurov: one of the things to understand is that a, e.g., 100k r.e. job is really a transaction in ~silence~ far more so than in the deliverable as conceived of in this hypothetical.	[17:45]
ascii_field	see the old 0day market threadz, for instance.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	well no, this is not even the angle here.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	one of the major wins of /me style b-a governance is that it actually nulls THAT ENTIRE silence cost bs. it's in the logs.	[17:46]
ascii_field	who the hell would pay for 100k reversing only to have the result made public ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	(and yes, cwcd, not possible w/o bitcoin, gpg, people involved, an actual infrastructure)	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i did not say nor was it implied that i'll make it public. merely that it is had.	[17:47]
ascii_field	you did say 'nulls the entire silence cost bs' ?	[17:47]
ascii_field	or am failing to grasp what this means	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	there's a difference between getting to see the koh i noor and knowing lord x owns it. or, to quote popfictionikia, "Another consideration was education. Before the late 1950s and the advent of the stately home business, very few working-class people had seen the upstairs of these great houses; those that had were there only to clean and serve, with an obligation to keep their eyes down, rather than uplift them and be	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	educated. "	[17:48]
ascii_field	i'm not sure there ~is~ a difference re: e.g., an 0day	[17:48]
ascii_field	can't prove ownership without giving it away.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	no. but in THE CASE WE'RE DISCUSSING	[17:48]
ascii_field	in that case likewise.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	obviously no tool works for any purpose in any context.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	actually, the thing is more valuable once known to exist.	[17:49]
jurov	i'm utterly lost on the sexual metaphor, but if mircea says no one is going to look closely to intel's silicon except under threat of death, i gotta believe him	[17:49]
ascii_field	but how is it to be known to outsiders ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	do you grasp this or want me to model it ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	jurov i am actually saying something very much like that, yes.	[17:49]
ascii_field	now i'm also lost	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field outsiders are utterly a red herring. there exist no outsiders. reddit might as well not exist and everyone else reads the logs.	[17:50]
ascii_field	so idea is, mircea_popescu pays to have the koh-i-noor dug up, the fact of this matter is chronicled in the logz, and anyone who's anyone is to simply believe ?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	let me model it for you then.	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	situation a) item is shown theoretically to possibly exist ; situation b) item is alleged to physically exist in vaults of lord X.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	in situation a, the value of item is to be calculated theoretically ; in situation b, the value of the item is "a little less than it costs me to get one myself". and it is VERY practical. because yes, you MUST keep up with the Xs.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	and so therefore, going from a to b actually increases the market value of item. through a process known as "creating a market".	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	the equivalent approach is to say item acquired a new property in going from a to b. in both it's the same thing, but in b it is also an exclusive good	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	whereas nobody can exclude another from possession of a theoretical item.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	and that extra property means extra moneys.	[17:53]
BingoBoingo	* ascii_field stands up ears << /me imagines https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d8/ab/16/d8ab1625fc56226793fe649e7f1b2177.jpg	[17:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M0aMM3 )	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	and now with exaples : aluminum is a theoretical metal.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	the first box, gifted to napoleon, has no value (!= is worthless)	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	the NEXT box has a price. would napoleon have paid that for his box ? never.	[17:55]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: didja ever see the teaspoons ?	[17:56]
ascii_field	or the little Al pyramid on washington's monument?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	neither.	[17:56]
ascii_field	same idea though.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:57]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: more of http://www.brockettsfilmfauna.com/images/Mammals-Birds/SIBERIAN%20LYNX%20HEAD%20SHOT.jpg	[17:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M0b6uh )	[17:58]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Aha	[17:59]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: back to the conundrum, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311225	[18:00]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 20:43:37; mircea_popescu: well no, this is not even the angle here.	[18:00]
ascii_field	what ~was~ the angle ?	[18:00]
ascii_field	also would like to understand http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311201	[18:01]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 20:37:02; mircea_popescu: not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	the angle here is that 6 months is a waste of time/resources in the present configuration to go chase that thing. pure scheduling matter, yes, it's valuable, no we can't fill the larder with brontosaurus.	[18:01]
ascii_field	this - yes.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	and im not sure what's to be explained of the latter.	[18:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11680 @ 0.00054248 = 6.3362 BTC [-]	[18:04]
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thestringpuller	Blythe Masters and The Fiat Puppets acquire blockchain SDK company: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3qpesp/blythe_masters_digital_asset_holdings_acquires/	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	o wait, the dude that failed to get tenure at j p morgan university ?	[18:14]
ascii_field	chick	[18:15]
thestringpuller	this chick who claims invented CDO's	[18:15]
thestringpuller	to have invented*	[18:15]
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mircea_popescu	i thought the winkletoss twins invented cdos	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	you sure she didn't invent facebook ?	[18:15]
thestringpuller	me too	[18:15]
thestringpuller	i guess I'm confused	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah, plox to not insult the derps. gotta reference them correctly, whenever it's one of those idiots it should be "Blythe Masters, who claims to have invented Facebook", or "Erin Twinkletoss, who claims to have invented CDOs" etc.	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	gotta give the public context for the news!	[18:17]
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mircea_popescu	it was erin was it ? or taylor ? what was the guy's name ?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	or wait. is this also a she ?	[18:17]
thestringpuller	Cameron and Tyler	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's tyler.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	did the cameron one get a sex change ? or is that the wachowski	[18:18]
thestringpuller	that's wachowski	[18:19]
thestringpuller	larry wachowski is now lana wachowski	[18:19]
thestringpuller	;;google lana wachowski	[18:19]
gribble	Lana Wachowski - IMDb: ; The Wachowskis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Lana Wachowski Reveals Suicide Plan, Painful Past in Emotional ...:	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	well... zhe still has time.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	cameron makes a great girl name.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	could marry cameron diaz, they could go to conferences as cameron & cameron diaz-tinkletoss	[18:19]
thestringpuller	you're on a roll now!	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	In other news: http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/gail-pennington/archdiocese-warns-of-dangers-in-exorcism-live/article_f0ddc4d9-2b2d-5f5e-83c6-cdcdce29b5ae.html	[18:21]
assbot	Archdiocese warns of dangers in 'Exorcism: Live!' : Entertainment ... ( http://bit.ly/20e7Bdg )	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	do you rthink they got paid for that ?	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	mebbe?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	"10 year study of inpatient kids: 44% got antipsychotics. Is that a lot? Yes. It's a lot."	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	hot damned ?! seriously ? almost half ?!	[18:21]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what self-respecting психушка serves up something other than neuroleptic ?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	You can wrack your brain trying to figure this out or blame the usual suspects, but the answer is right there in the article:	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	"Variables associated with antipsychotic use [included] male gender, age 12 years and under, being nonwhite, and a length of stay 13 days or longer."	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	You'll observe that none of those words is "diagnosis" or "severity."	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	The cause of these high levels of medications is so simple you'll recoil from the truth of it, but pour yourself a drink and take it like a man: the kids showed up. That's it. The kid is in front of you and you have to do something, now, that results in an acute change. Not better grades 4 years out, or less sadness over the teen years; change the sleep tonight, make the kid less hyper now, and when it "stops working	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	" you can up the dose or change the med.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field seems it's not even it.	[18:23]
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ascii_field	nobody canceled the good ol' chemical straightjacket	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	"When a kid is presented to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist is pressured, obligated, to do something pharmacological. If a psychiatrist looked a single parent a joint away from a nap right in the eye and said, "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" that doctor will get his head handed to him by parent or by lawyer. Justice will be done, you negligent elitist."	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder how much of this is jenuine and how much mere malingering.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	obviously i have no us clinical experience. i also have an apparent inability to represent how this'd work. seriously, doctor says "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" and the parent argues the point ? with the doctor ? just.... how ?	[18:25]
ascii_field	say a fella at butugychag stuffs his boot full of ammonal and blows off his toes, to avoid work detail in the quarry	[18:26]
ascii_field	is that 'real' or malingering ..?	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it"	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	rrrrrheally ?!?!	[18:26]
ascii_field	but he's not mengele. he's an assistant.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	no, he's mengele.	[18:26]
ascii_field	'inject this blue paint in the eyes of this here 100 prisoners before you clock out'	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	i have no objection to anyone who ever prescribed neuroleptics in virgins to be taken straight off to death row.	[18:27]
ascii_field	they do 5 y.o. and possibly below, now	[18:27]
ascii_field	in fact i'm pretty certain that it is happening as we speak a floor or so below where i sit	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	should be part of the test. no sexual history, no meds.	[18:28]
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ascii_field	tlp's point, i think, was precisely that he isn't mengele and if he won't vivisect the screaming prisoner, he'll take his place	[18:29]
ascii_field	and somebody else - will.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	the mengele who knows he's doing wrong anf the mengele who "doesn't" are both mengele.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	there is no "resistance through culture", you don't get to tell me "hey i knew all along X was a scam, i just promoted it ironically"	[18:29]
ascii_field	yes, 'following orders' defense failed at nuremberg	[18:30]
ascii_field	but on the other hand, they didn't hang all of germany	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	well most of it was dead. they however, you will note, RAPED THE REMAINDER.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	for a good few years.	[18:30]
ascii_field	aha.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	this is how education works, in cunts.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	the sort that go "oh wait, i was just ... being a woman"	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	fine, be a woman over there then.	[18:31]
ascii_field	point in making the distinction was to divide whom it makes sense to feed to giant squid, and whom - to 'reflash firmware'	[18:32]
ascii_field	this also calls to mind mircea_popescu's article about the fat train riders	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[18:33]
ascii_field	becoming mengele's assistant, or tlp, or me - is a product of a long series of 'bad life choices'	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must be.	[18:34]
ascii_field	none of which, taken individually, are necessarily '~the~ losing move'	[18:34]
ascii_field	just as no individual 'big mac' made the fat fella what he is	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	word.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	"so then... big macs are bad but hey i gotta eat and this one is not that bad right ?" sure.	[18:34]
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ascii_field	as, i think, was discussed in old thread,	[18:35]
ascii_field	a great many folks in this jail have literally no choice but to eat 'big mac' or die.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	life's worthless in and of itself.	[18:36]
ascii_field	(it does not follow that they must eat 5,000 cal/day of them)	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	if that's the choice, waht choice is there ?	[18:36]
ascii_field	sorta what i tried to explain to pete_dushenski earlier today.	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it" << "Standard of care"	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/map%20of%20psychiatry%20today.jpg << interesting worldmap	[18:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20ea1ss )	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	So what if the kids end up fucked in adulthood by a couple months or years of neuroleptic induced hyper-prolactinemia, telling the parents they suck would make the doctor the "uncaring monster" to the rest of the system	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no. standard of care is specificallty made to resist this, by the few people that are old enough to not want to soon have to explain it. the standard is "as practiced by reasonable minority"	[18:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Aha. You assume this is a medical system and not a medium of social control.	[18:39]
ascii_field	actually in usa 'standard of care' is now this.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field obviously, as the people in question die.	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	Dead, retired, gone	[18:40]
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ascii_field	has mircea_popescu ever read the memoir of general piotr grigorenko ?	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	Or ridden out on the rail by crowds	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	have not.	[18:41]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: prolly highest ranking псиxушка victim.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	ah aha	[18:41]
ascii_field	'В подполье можно встретить только крыс' << mega-b00k. 'in the underground one meets only rats.'	[18:41]
ascii_field	http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/grigorenko/index.html	[18:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RCWq7O )	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	o look, online.	[18:42]
ascii_field	because ru!	[18:42]
ascii_field	aaaaanyway he describes his whole life, but i note him here for featuring the 'sane old generation' of shrinks who did not go along.	[18:42]
ascii_field	and because of whom he remained alive.	[18:42]
ascii_field	and in reasonable possession of most of his wits.	[18:42]
thestringpuller	http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=31&art_id=162657&sid=45464435&con_type=3 << hey kidnpping for bitcoin. this channel is good at predicting da-future	[18:43]
phf	conversation keeps arriving to the same point that the solution to local maximum is death. tlp makes those conclusions in "how to not be a narcissist", but then fails to see how it applies to himself with his own mengel situation. or to quote orr from catch-22 "How can he see he's got flies in his eyes if he's got flies in his eyes?"	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	i am kinda expecting to see "behavioural doping" or somesuch. if industrial pollutant is so cheap/abundant it actually creates an ecological problem, it is obviously only a matter of time before the large amts of discrete data (google db, cctv db, etc) are meshed together with substance dictionary to create optimized diets for advertising.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	"we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"	[18:44]
ascii_field	phf: i'd not be surprised if he 'solved' himself already.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	phf "death". http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311123 and prev.	[18:45]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 20:05:19; mircea_popescu: completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands—and the two are atoned."	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	this is principally why women [used to] have an advantage over men. they actually experienced socially mandated death, to their benefit. it was the system which produced usable old bitties of the sort that kept say the jews alive.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	kinda what the eleusine mysteries for instance tried to provide as a public good.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	why the church ever caught on in god forsaken wastes such as those inhabited by the ru speaking folk. etc.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	(yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)	[18:48]
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ascii_field	laas ?	[18:51]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311386 << this is sop! since, idk, 1950s ?!	[18:51]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 21:42:20; mircea_popescu: "we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"	[18:51]
ascii_field	ever smell a new high-end laptop ?	[18:52]
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pete_dushenski	smells like car ?	[18:52]
ascii_field	nope	[18:52]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:53]
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ascii_field	(assuming pete_dushenski is thinking of the usual formaldehyde 'smell of new car')	[18:53]
pete_dushenski	general plastic voc off-gassing	[18:53]
ascii_field	then no.	[18:53]
ascii_field	specially-made perfumes.	[18:53]
ascii_field	not so much in fashion now as before	[18:54]
ascii_field	(sony was a frequent offender)	[18:54]
pete_dushenski	it's a testament to their branding efforts that sony electronics make me think only of recent james bond movies	[18:54]
pete_dushenski	when's the last time you say a sony laptop irl ?	[18:54]
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ascii_field	pete_dushenski: when i was cleaning my shed.	[18:55]
ascii_field	'vaio' circa 1998.	[18:55]
ascii_field	or rather the pieces of six or so of'em	[18:55]
pete_dushenski	aha. and in wild ?	[18:55]
ascii_field	in the wild - can't recall.	[18:55]
ascii_field	long ago.	[18:55]
*	pete_dushenski remembers that vintage of vaio for being incredibly spendy	[18:55]
pete_dushenski	and sleek !	[18:56]
ascii_field	l0l you actually bought'em new ?~!	[18:56]
ascii_field	but yeah, the ones with the blue battery	[18:56]
pete_dushenski	never bought. too young. and out of my price range.	[18:57]
pete_dushenski	admired the design ? and specs ? yes.	[18:58]
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phf	vaio was the last laptop you could jack into cyberspace with	[18:59]
pete_dushenski	this was when pentium badly outperformed ppc. intel easily had +30% clock speed.	[18:59]
ascii_field	https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qJiI0Wk63-Pgu6gUocN1PZbJFA0=/1020x0/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2818214/03_pcg505.1391682320.jpg << it	[18:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20ecOls )	[18:59]
ascii_field	i still miss these things.	[18:59]
ascii_field	believe or not, linux WORKED !!	[19:00]
ascii_field	yes, with lid suspend mode!	[19:00]
ascii_field	and sound card. etc.	[19:00]
phf	i had a picturebook, one of the c1 models	[19:00]
ascii_field	and FUCKING LINUX not ubuntu.	[19:00]
ascii_field	http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385716/sony-vaio-iconic-pcs-photo-essay << historical interest re: the series	[19:01]
assbot	A look back at Sony's iconic VAIO computers \| The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/20ed3gt )	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310777 << i probably have the fewest displays in b-a huh	[19:01]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 14:03:07; asciilifeform: this means a ROOM full of displays if you can swing it	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310786 << he, like you, propose that they are not "true"	[19:02]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 14:08:24; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310745 << i read this piece but do not grasp how it relates to my position on *leaks	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	in the efficacious sense of truth.	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310831 << this is very amusing specifically because of the relation to eulora and its bots.	[19:09]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 16:44:39; davout: "In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market. They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	!up Namworld	[19:10]
-assbot-	You voiced Namworld for 30 minutes.	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 << lolwut ?	[19:11]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."	[19:11]
Namworld	Ah, didn't even have to auth	[19:11]
Namworld	I got an email. I get it the game development has progressed	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	the proof that reddit is not the problem, i guess. random reddit nobody knows about waiting in the wings, to maybe one day be the reddit derps know about.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	Namworld how's life been treatin ya ?	[19:12]
Namworld	Coinroll hasn't seen as much development as I would have liked, but jurov and wao are now on it.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310848 << more like "state promised us that if we smoke the pipe all will be fine. well... pipe is going out and what is this!11"	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:20; davout: which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"	[19:12]
Namworld	Otherwise, relatively well.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[19:13]
Namworld	I don't mind testing the game whenever I have some free time.	[19:15]
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BingoBoingo	... << more like "state promised us that if we smoke the pipe all will be fine. well... pipe is going out and what is this!11" << I refer to this phenomena as Shrem's Bong	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	lel	[19:18]
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Namworld	jurov, you never talked much about this	[19:23]
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pete_dushenski	;;nethash	[19:27]
gribble	457174667.081	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	Namworld well, install it, ima make you an account then.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310853 << you don't understand how for great justice works. they have to be supporting cast in his movie because otherwise it's microracist.	[19:30]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:06:26; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 <<< because obviously the team will happily be my personal army and not simply take my gf and point at me laughing	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.00054236 = 23.1317 BTC [-] {2}	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310863 << strange that this should be possible.	[19:32]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:09:03; ascii_field: roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310874 << word.	[19:33]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:01; pete_dushenski: there can be no stable hierarchy. anywhere.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	stable hierarchy is for horses.	[19:33]
pete_dushenski	'never step into the same river twice' (tm)	[19:34]
pete_dushenski	'unless you're a horse' (tm)	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310877 << eventually i'ma die, and that'll be that.	[19:35]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:50; ascii_field: idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310888 << let me explain something to you. slave had some old bitties over for coffee, recounted the story to me. they wanted to know if she's married or has a man. she said no. i suggested she should have said he died in the war. "what war ?" "you know, the war". and then we joked about how it'd play from there, and eventually it came to me the thing to say to prevent fu	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	rther unwated inquiry is, of course, "that;s inappropriate". except... how do you say this in spanish.	[19:37]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:17:00; ascii_field: is that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	answer : you do not. which takes us right to the reason most people do not learn a foreign language, or enjoy interacting with people whose language they do not speak.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	as far as average person is concerned, their safety from being, eg, raped, is built entirely out of their belief in the magical power of a construct like that. it is not meaningful, but magical, in that it projects will and controls "the universe".	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as there's no spanish equivalent, what's to keep some dudes from busting into your house and taking all your holes on the kitchen table ?	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	same thing that prevents them anywhere else, obviously. but the subconscious does not really comprehend locks, or rifles, or anything so complex it needs a factory.	[19:39]
Namworld	okay...	[19:39]
Namworld	It looks like it starts	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	it does however understand magic. especially because magic specifically exists as a result of the subconscious' poor grasp of everything.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	Namworld ok 1 sec	[19:39]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld http://dpaste.com/0T03XD6	[19:42]
assbot	dpaste: 0T03XD6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNzank )	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	but other than this, to continue the prev thread, no, you do not have control, in the sense that there isn't a magical write-protect bit you set or unset at your will and unless you've unset it nothing can ever affect you.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	it's often seen as a problem in idiots who imagien they can keep bitcoin at bay by saying (in some magical correct form, i guess) that "i do not agree" or "i am not inviting this devil in my house" or whatever. "that is not how debates work", what have you.	[19:45]
diana_coman	I'd have though it was much simpler than that mircea_popescu: most people don't like learning.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310905 <<< in that it's called marriage.	[19:46]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 17:19:56; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	diana_coman but why wouldn't they ? children love it.	[19:46]
pete_dushenski	even the established ~concept~ of regicide demonstrates the limited nature of 'control'	[19:46]
diana_coman	because they already have automated patterns ("learnt") on which they can operate in familiar situations	[19:46]
diana_coman	hence they don't like the unfamiliar, full stop	[19:47]
diana_coman	children basically have nothing	[19:47]
diana_coman	so yes, they love learning, of course	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	diana_coman quite exactly. "this wand doesn't even vibrate, what use is it!"	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	"well... it's not a vibrating wand, it's a firebolt wand" "CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT!"	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.	[19:48]
diana_coman	well, come to think about it: children ask "what is that?" all the time and guess what do they get mainly as answer	[19:48]
diana_coman	an explanation or experience of what the damned thing IS	[19:49]
diana_coman	OR	[19:49]
diana_coman	the name of it	[19:49]
diana_coman	?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	the name of it thing is correct however.	[19:49]
diana_coman	it is correct but not really sufficient	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	if it is not sufficient child will ask again	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	they ask how babies are made, do they get a story or a demonstration ?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	"oh but story is not sufficient"	[19:49]
diana_coman	well, no, not really, listen	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	well... for now it'd better be	[19:49]
diana_coman	they ask what is that and what is the other	[19:50]
diana_coman	and every time they get...a name	[19:50]
diana_coman	so they will logically derive at the same time	[19:50]
diana_coman	that the name is what things are	[19:50]
diana_coman	if it's not called a tree	[19:50]
diana_coman	it's not a tree anymore!	[19:50]
diana_coman	your problem above	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	do you trick your kid any ?	[19:50]
diana_coman	yes	[19:50]
diana_coman	it's fun anyway :D	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	well, that takes care of that. but otherwise, yeah.	[19:50]
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Namworld	ok, voicing myself	[19:52]
Namworld	I could see accidents happen with those 2 features combined	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	which ?	[19:52]
Namworld	[18:46] <+mircea_popescu> next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	lol. nah, it'll just create a market for carpal tunnel potions.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	win-win	[20:00]
Namworld	I meant a different kind of accident, but sure	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs	[20:02]
Namworld	Hmm, maybe I'm too stupid to enter a password... but this doesn't seem to work.	[20:03]
Namworld	I tried both email and username with that password	[20:03]
shinohai	!s "revolutionary laser shaver"	[20:03]
assbot	0 results for '"revolutionary laser shaver"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22revolutionary+laser+shaver%22	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	Namworld lemme see 1sec	[20:04]
hanbot	Namworld btw check out #eulora	[20:04]
pete_dushenski	!s kickstarter	[20:07]
assbot	246 results for 'kickstarter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kickstarter	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	^lazr was on there	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311393 << as in the sung notes ?	[20:15]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 21:46:21; mircea_popescu: (yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	literacy as a service / baptism as a service	[20:16]
shinohai	thx pete_dushenski .... might buy a few hundred, duct tape them together and melt the white house	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu aha.	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	shinohai if you could buy them, sure	[20:18]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311529 << by all indications, it was ~actually~ with a red-hot nichrome wire.	[20:31]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 22:59:54; mircea_popescu: iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs	[20:31]
asciilifeform	but he decided, for some chumpatronic reason, to pretend that it is a 'leaking fiber'	[20:31]
asciilifeform	and it wasn't beard, but the hair on his arm.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	(his beard remained attached)	[20:32]
asciilifeform	eventually the thing earned the rare distinction of being a sufficiently outrageous fraud to be... booted off 'kickstarter.'	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	vaguely reminds me of the dude nubbins prosecuted, with the "hand made" laser etched wood clunks	[20:33]
asciilifeform	wood collector !	[20:33]
asciilifeform	l0l	[20:33]
asciilifeform	was kinda the opposite	[20:34]
vulpes_a_hopital	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310818 << if you've swallowed the spittoon of east coast usthink, the alternative could only be "private school", which yes—"if you have to ask" is "expensive"	[20:34]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 16:25:51; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310803 << last i heard, this costs money.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	vulpes_a_hopital: the alternative is either 'home school' or be an outlaw	[20:34]
vulpes_a_hopital	otherwise, the kids have a mother, and if she can't outperform the daycare you dun fukked up.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	and keep the spawn in your cellar	[20:34]
vulpes_a_hopital	what outlaw.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	(if anyone notices you have them, and they aren't taking the usg exams, you will have problems)	[20:35]
vulpes_a_hopital	there are seven year olds wandering my neighborhood at all hours of the day. unattended.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	try 14 y.o.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	where i live, there are even vans, marked 'truancy police'	[20:36]
asciilifeform	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/DC_Police_Truancy_and_Curfew_enforcement_vehicle.jpg	[20:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M3XtOg )	[20:37]
asciilifeform	of course, vulpes_a_hopital could paint his son brown and make sure he learns correct sp pronounciation - then he will be left alone.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaah truancy police omfg	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	and the kids don't burn them up ?	[20:39]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:39]
asciilifeform	how would i know, i don't drive one of these things	[20:39]
shinohai	In popular culture, known as "Paddy Wagons"	[20:39]
asciilifeform	but i've seen it at work	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	it is inconceivable that they exist.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	shinohai: 'paddy wagon' refers to all policewagen as a class	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	if i had kids there and they wanted money i would go "you can't have a penny until all those atrocities have been burned down"	[20:40]
asciilifeform	'black maria' to brits	[20:40]
asciilifeform	black raven, in sov world	[20:40]
asciilifeform	but in usa - white!	[20:40]
asciilifeform	pr0gr3ss!!111.	[20:40]
shinohai	In Southern culture they use the term to exclusively refer to vans that haul off truants ....	[20:41]
shinohai	At least in Atlanta	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	"Scholars have questioned the validity or usefulness of the monomyth category.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	According to Northup (2006), mainstream scholarship of comparative mythology since Campbell has moved away from "highly general and universal" categories in general.[13] This attitude is illustrated by e.g. Consentino (1998), who remarks "It is just as important to stress differences as similarities, to avoid creating a (Joseph) Campbell soup of myths that loses all local flavor."[14] Similarly, Ellwood (1999) stated "	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	A tendency to think in generic terms of people, races ... is undoubtedly the profoundest flaw in mythological thinking.""	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	anyone wants to know what happens if one dares END a field ?	[20:41]
asciilifeform	at any rate, in practice the thing never shows up unless there's a gang of chimps making a public mess.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	answer : a bunch of ustards will swoop in, pretending the field didn't end and insisting field enders are badmkay and raceys on top of everything	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	"This model has very poor grantmanship value"	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	"Others have found the categories Campbell works with so vague as to be meaningless, and lacking the support required of scholarly argument: Crespi (1990), writing in response to Campbell's filmed presentation of his model characterized it as "...unsatisfying from a social science perspective."	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	there's a "social sciences perspective" now, and i'm supposed to believe it is != granstmanship.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	pet: 'like many systematicists, campbell overstates the universality of his patterns'	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	funny, that objection is in the wikipedia verbatim	[20:44]
asciilifeform	srsly?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	editor Alan Dundes dismisses Campbell's work, characterizing him as a popularizer: "like most universalists, he is content to merely assert universality rather than bother to document it. […] If Campbell's generalizations about myth are not substantiated, why should students consider his work?"	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	not unlike the ridiculous view of field grunts that hey, they know better than the chief of staff what's what, antin-intellectual "social scientists" a la dundes would like best an unsystematic AND UNSYSTEMATIZABLE "science"	[20:46]
vulpes_a_hopital	lol dafuq indeed	[20:46]
asciilifeform	pet: 'he's a popularizer, but not an especially good one, vs. an expert - would you call carl sagan or r. dawkins experts?'	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	because - obviously - it pays the best. from the perspective of the horde of chimps wishing to be professors of nothing in particular just as long as professors.	[20:46]
vulpes_a_hopital	cop stopped me and three friends skating in a church on a day off from school	[20:46]
vulpes_a_hopital	"what are you doing?"	[20:46]
vulpes_a_hopital	"skating!"	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pet could just come over argue her stuff herself!	[20:46]
vulpes_a_hopital	"shouldn't you be in school?"	[20:47]
vulpes_a_hopital	"uh, no?"	[20:47]
vulpes_a_hopital	"well okay then."	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:47]
vulpes_a_hopital	and re problems in your world people can have problems for using linux	[20:47]
vulpes_a_hopital	get /out/, man	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	this is whyte priviledge	[20:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: pet: 'i dontwanna, busy reading about alexander hamilton'	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	kaythen	[20:47]
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vulpes_a_hopital	asciilifeform: this might trip a bit or two for you	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g154914-d156146-Reviews-Whyte_Avenue-Edmonton_Alberta.html << real place !	[20:48]
assbot	Whyte Avenue (Edmonton, Alberta): Address, Point of Interest & Landmark Reviews - TripAdvisor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXThfa )	[20:48]
vulpes_a_hopital	there is a skate park cum day care in my neighborhood	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital there's a bar cum laundromat somewhere in ohio	[20:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	no kid under 19 with a skateboard within twenty blocks of the thing is ever EVER bothered by the cops	[20:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	mircea_popescu: yeah we have one too	[20:49]
asciilifeform	'used book & food shop'	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	ok, let me try and win this.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	there is, in this town, a place where they sell food by the pound. and you can get a pound of cooked shrimp for ~2 dollars.	[20:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	great pickup spot if you like socializing with people who a) do their own laundry and b) have it done somewhere far away from their place	[20:49]
vulpes_a_hopital	why would you eat $2/lb cooked langostinas	[20:51]
vulpes_a_hopital	sounds like a cheap ticket to food poisoning	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	better than anything they got in wash dc!	[20:53]
vulpes_a_hopital	pretty low bar.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	ok. there's a gym - and - peluqueria combo.	[20:55]
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vulpes_a_hopital	a but harnessing customers output to reduce the electrical bill has gotta be beyond any argentine	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	https://web.archive.org/web/20150319183556/http://partialobjects.com/2011/06/staggering-thought-of-the-day/ nb.	[20:56]
assbot	Staggering Thought of The Day \| Partial Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUgfv )	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital it'd be so great tho, Cuckolds' Gym and Hair Salon.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	only accept couples, make the dudes work butt off on stationary to power wifey hair dryer.	[20:57]
vulpes_a_hopital	ahahaha	[20:57]
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pete_dushenski	power hair dryer + tv + smartph0ne charger	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	make a uniform for working out, too	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	something demeaning, maybe a la borat.	[20:59]
pete_dushenski	borat over-the-shouler g-string in prison black and white stripes	[20:59]
pete_dushenski	complete with prisoner number over breast	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	a choice of either that or the same in hot pink, or rainbow.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	ironically, this would prolly be a killer business in portland.	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	with built-in anal dildo	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[21:00]
vulpes_a_hopital	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ	[21:00]
assbot	Olympic Cyclist Vs. Toaster: Can He Power It? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUIdN )	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	vulpes_a_hopital do what the usg does : differential leverage.	[21:00]
vulpes_a_hopital	for perspective.	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	dildo makes costume too much fun ?	[21:00]
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vulpes_a_hopital	differential leverage?	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	ie, he has to provide 3% of the wattage, "we'll match your output 30:1!"	[21:01]
vulpes_a_hopital	ehehe	[21:01]
vulpes_a_hopital	http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/portable-devices/novena-a-laptop-with-no-secrets << tell me stan, where's the scam in this one?	[21:01]
assbot	Novena: A Laptop With No Secrets - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUTpv )	[21:01]
vulpes_a_hopital	fpga aside, we've done the fpga thread to death	[21:02]
asciilifeform	'his death aside, how's his health ?' (tm) (r)	[21:03]
asciilifeform	and i see a 'freescale arm'	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	speaking of costumes, i've pulled off the most magical trio for the family for this halloween : papa is the beplaided farmer, mama the milky moo-cow, baby the curious calf !	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	'not that women are cattle' (tm)	[21:03]
asciilifeform	'Another advantage was Freescale’s policy of distributing a very detailed reference manual covering most of the chip’s real estate without requiring a nondisclosure agreement.' >> 'most' ?!	[21:03]
vulpes_a_hopital	ding ding ding	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	and on that bombshell, i'm off for a night out !	[21:04]
vulpes_a_hopital	pete_dushenski is the joke there that the girl's the one working?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you took your wife out on the town dressed as a cow ?	[21:04]
vulpes_a_hopital	my halloween costumes for the next seven years are all cock themed	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	lol will explain more later gents, gotta jet	[21:04]
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vulpes_a_hopital	dictopus cocktopus, the octopus with cock tentacles in a toga	[21:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	a cock-shaped rocket	[21:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	etc	[21:05]
asciilifeform	aaand then we get to where they put modern systemdized linux on the thing, etc.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	snore.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	but... why ?	[21:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	gonna try to get kiddo dressed as a sperm for at least one	[21:05]
vulpes_a_hopital	does it actually need the d, asciilifeform?	[21:06]
asciilifeform	'A Laptop With No Secrets' << lies even in the title	[21:06]
asciilifeform	vulpes_a_hopital: forget about 'needs'	[21:07]
asciilifeform	speaking of what the authors see as sop	[21:07]
vulpes_a_hopital	and so 'what other eldritch horrors lurk'?	[21:08]
asciilifeform	whole thing is an elaborate exercise in delusionism	[21:08]
asciilifeform	and imho uninteresting.	[21:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	wait but what if we put mats trimmed down linux on it	[21:08]
vulpes_a_hopital	i think i can see the smoke from here	[21:09]
asciilifeform	vulpes_a_hopital: it's essentially a pogo with a buncha weird turds welded on...	[21:09]
asciilifeform	go, put.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/dilbert%20vs%20jezebel.jpg	[21:11]
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phf	i was at bunnie's talk (the guy behind novena) at 2005 toorcon, the subject was hardware r.e. and it covered the end to end process of discovering and extracting something like intel's rootkit from the die. the approach is to remove the outer plastic cover from the chip using some form of etching, image the exposed circuit with increasily higher resolution devices culminating with electron microscope and then figure out what the	[22:25]
phf	different parts of the silicon do, where the relevant parts are located and what might be strategies for getting to them. unfortunately there was no video, but i found the slides for the curious log readers https://infocon.org/cons/Black%20Hat/Black%20Hat%20DC/Black%20Hat%20DC%202007/Presentations/JoeGrand_HardWare_Hacking/Papers/Die%20Analysis/bunnie-hackingsilicon.pdf	[22:25]
phf	i think back then he was still at MIT so had access to useful hardware and free time, he'd probably reversing intel die for the lulz, but now he's in Singapore with presumably reduced resources, doing "open" hardware.	[22:30]
phf	some u.s. maker group did an interview at his singapore workshop in 2012, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7WVF5UfnA	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	interesting.	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/why_we_are_terrible_at_math_an.html	[23:07]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Why We Are Terrible At Math (And Reading Comprehension) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFjJwu )	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	"and what that means, and so everyone thinks he's progressing just fine; only to reach a later point when his clever shortcut is too primitive to work. Now suddenly you have a 6th grader who appears to falling behind. But he was never really caught up. I suspect that this almost entirely explains Americans' universal hatred of word problems."	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	check it out, tlp knows about word problems.	[23:07]
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mircea_popescu	"I'm told that the system of the day is "Everyday Math." I have no idea what that is, but my worry is that every system of teaching is designed not to maximize learning, but to facilitate the teaching."	[23:11]
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gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311696 << dpa is far more likely the answer, rather than imaging	[23:15]
assbot	Logged on 30-10-2015 01:23:25; phf: i was at bunnie's talk (the guy behind novena) at 2005 toorcon, the subject was hardware r.e. and it covered the end to end process of discovering and extracting something like intel's rootkit from the die. the approach is to remove the outer plastic cover from the chip using some form of etching, image the exposed circuit with increasily higher resolution devices culminating with electron micro	[23:15]
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asciilifeform	after - i find it quite impossible.	[23:16]
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asciilifeform	'The problem is that as long as he completed the worksheet, you wouldn't know there was a problem with doing math until it was way too late. If the kid is clever in other ways-- say, fast at finger counting-- he could easily convey the impression that he understands how to add 2 digit numbers, and what that means, and so everyone thinks he's progressing just fine; only to reach a later point when his clever shortcut is too pr	[23:18]
asciilifeform	imitive to work.' << this IS what school IS.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	how many people ~understand~ ANYTHING AT ALL ?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	per the not-merely-finger-tricks definition of the word.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/why_we_are_terrible_at_math_an.html#comment-17994 << woah, a non-retarded comment on tlp's www...	[23:23]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Why We Are Terrible At Math (And Reading Comprehension) ... ( http://bit.ly/20eGjUf )	[23:23]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310664 << Dick Masterson? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115020	[23:30]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 08:32:51; mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, a fundamental point to be considered for those inclined to interact with the scum (aka, non-qntra reporters), a point which that seduction expert (i don't recall which one but was in the logs - something about how he went on a "live" show where the 5 dollar audience bood him on cue) : you do want to control their codes. because you must project your own ownershi	[23:30]
assbot	Logged on 29-04-2015 00:43:55; danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, that guy is a wimp. that kinda situation doesn't have to end so poorly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM	[23:30]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310709 << what about 'machine' ? although I do name my computers after women of the Bible	[23:31]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 09:32:26; mircea_popescu: calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever.	[23:31]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311251 << I feel as though this is a concept I have recently experienced in Eulora	[23:32]
assbot	Logged on 29-10-2015 20:50:56; mircea_popescu: and so therefore, going from a to b actually increases the market value of item. through a process known as "creating a market".	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron nah was some nick thing.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	and yes, eulora is a FABULOUS econ lab.	[23:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00054345 = 22.7706 BTC [+] {2}	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in fairness, math is an AWFUL example for this matter. because, well, in honesty a "simple" notion such as the notion of a number is still patently ununderstood by the species altogether. and for that matter minimal effort to even comprehend it starts with what, frege ? a coupla centuries ago ?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, stuff that isn't math, such as whatever, "ecology" don't even HAVE concepts, at all	[23:36]
asciilifeform	frege, peano, church, et al.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing there to understand.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	so... the expectation that there'd be understanding happening in school is not unlike the expectation that there'd be salvation happening at the brothel.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	salvation does not happen.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	but it once was the case that people carried through life a ~useful~ concept of what they were ~doing~ when working those columns	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	but the notion of useful is predicated on society.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	yes at some point going to college was useful. this BECAUSE at that time people lived in a society that allowed for it	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	ie, no upwards mobility and a solid understanding of the value and importance of inequality.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm << obligatory	[23:38]
assbot	The Feeling of Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScHrm1 )	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	now there's plenty of mobility but no upwards, and plenty of inequality but no understanding thereof.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	blaming a college / all colleges / anyone for this is rank nonsense.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	anyone?!	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	anyone.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	what, martians came, did it, left ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	not even.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	there was no deed.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	malthusian degringolade ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[23:39]
*	asciilifeform can see it	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	there is just the stopping of some deeds.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	"an end to opression" aka "you're not even worth beating up"	[23:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00054477 = 25.6587 BTC [+]	[23:42]
asciilifeform	nobody but thoroughbred tards ever bought into the 'end to oppression' claptrap	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	yea well	[23:45]
asciilifeform	(it was really engineered to distract the easily-distracted from their entirely genuine serfdom, e.g., rent existing)	[23:45]
asciilifeform	so what if paycheque is given to the schmuck for ten minutes 'to keep it warm' and then goes right back. at least he wasn't beat up in grade school !	[23:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00054093 = 32.7263 BTC [-] {3}	[23:49]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311697 << almost forgot to point out: this generally won't read a modern rom, certainly not a 16nm one that was built by folks who didn't want it read. you need an ion beam machine and much sweat, to strip away the layers.	[23:58]
assbot	Logged on 30-10-2015 01:23:25; phf: different parts of the silicon do, where the relevant parts are located and what might be strategies for getting to them. unfortunately there was no video, but i found the slides for the curious log readers https://infocon.org/cons/Black%20Hat/Black%20Hat%20DC/Black%20Hat%20DC%202007/Presentations/JoeGrand_HardWare_Hacking/Papers/Die%20Analysis/bunnie-hackingsilicon.pdf	[23:58]
*	asciilifeform suspects that in the vast majority of cases, getting the rom contents via humint is cheaper	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104933 @ 0.00054497 = 57.1853 BTC [+] {2}	[23:59]

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