Forum logs for 27 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough. [00:02]
mircea_popescu it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time. [00:02]
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decimation mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities [00:05]
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mircea_popescu options are rarely the way to go for something like that. [00:06]
decimation well these days bonds and stocks trade as one [00:06]
decimation because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false' [00:06]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: congrats [00:17]
nubbins` ty [00:17]
nubbins` still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm [00:18]
asciilifeform nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain [00:18]
asciilifeform on just about any reasonable unix [00:18]
asciilifeform and i mean all of it [00:19]
nubbins` hm, i'll cheggidout [00:19]
asciilifeform nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with [00:20]
asciilifeform nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there [00:20]
asciilifeform as just another 'package' [00:20]
decimation asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc [00:21]
asciilifeform the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing) [00:21]
asciilifeform decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot [00:21]
decimation not that this would be of any use to the target audience [00:21]
decimation aye [00:21]
asciilifeform decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab [00:21]
asciilifeform but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire' [00:21]
decimation wait do you mean argentina or #b-a [00:22]
asciilifeform the former [00:22]
asciilifeform (just as example) [00:22]
* asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term [00:22]
nubbins` spent much time in a foreign country? [00:23]
asciilifeform nubbins`: yes, 22 years. [00:23]
decimation asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab [00:23]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost. [00:24]
decimation oh a full chip fab? [00:25]
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asciilifeform chip fab and army [00:25]
asciilifeform and pet economy to feed the two. [00:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore [00:28]
asciilifeform sumthinglikethat [00:28]
asciilifeform but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best [00:28]
decimation well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility [00:29]
asciilifeform not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening' [00:29]
decimation defensibility [00:29]
* assbot gives voice to nubbins` [00:29]
nubbins` dat off-brand battery [00:29]
asciilifeform island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it. [00:29]
decimation eh, kinda [00:29]
decimation the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected [00:30]
decimation if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed [00:30]
asciilifeform 'tomahawk' [00:30]
asciilifeform much cheaper [00:30]
nubbins` asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me [00:31]
decimation cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft [00:31]
asciilifeform decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934 [00:32]
assbot Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance. [00:32]
asciilifeform (summary: defence doesn't work) [00:32]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you [00:33]
decimation the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness [00:35]
mircea_popescu entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people... [00:44]
mircea_popescu it's like being in a campus [00:44]
mircea_popescu decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool [00:45]
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decimation aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next [00:46]
mircea_popescu if you do that you will lose money. [00:46]
mircea_popescu who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013 [00:47]
decimation well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate [00:47]
decimation there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs [00:47]
mircea_popescu if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa. [00:47]
mircea_popescu this is very time-invariant. [00:48]
decimation yeah that's a fair point [00:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important. [00:49]
decimation well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights [00:49]
mircea_popescu you have to sink the ship befroe it fires. [00:49]
mircea_popescu after, what's it gonna do. [00:49]
decimation declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial [00:50]
mircea_popescu this is a nude declaration of war. [00:50]
nubbins` 2000! [00:50]
nubbins` my sides [00:50]
mircea_popescu and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ? [00:51]
decimation no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident [00:51]
mircea_popescu it doesn't. sits at 2050 miles and waves. [00:51]
decimation can do until it runs out of fuel [00:51]
mircea_popescu what, plutonium ? [00:51]
decimation the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides' [00:52]
asciilifeform decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk [00:53]
nubbins` this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity [00:53]
asciilifeform decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt [00:54]
asciilifeform nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them. [00:54]
decimation it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth [00:54]
asciilifeform decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources. [00:55]
asciilifeform not as in 'numbers in account' [00:55]
mircea_popescu this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red. [00:55]
asciilifeform esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up [00:55]
mircea_popescu yeah... that'll work... [00:55]
decimation heh [00:55]
asciilifeform ^ [00:55]
decimation it did 'work' for a few hundred years [00:56]
asciilifeform pre-aircraft [00:56]
mircea_popescu right. but you're in the wrong hundred. [00:56]
mircea_popescu see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS [00:56]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't bother with the island. [00:56]
decimation okay, if not an island? where ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu here. [00:56]
nubbins` [Unicode crap removed] [00:57]
decimation hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate [00:57]
asciilifeform it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class. [00:58]
asciilifeform last i checked, there were no teleporters. [00:58]
mircea_popescu i dun get it. [00:58]
mircea_popescu what is this objection ? [00:58]
decimation where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific [00:59]
asciilifeform objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter' [00:59]
mircea_popescu why does locale matter ? [01:01]
mircea_popescu decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab [01:01]
mircea_popescu rather than "build his own" [01:01]
asciilifeform and trust the product from fraud ? [01:01]
asciilifeform and have item fabbed on winblows tools ? [01:02]
mircea_popescu the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own" [01:02]
mircea_popescu much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts. [01:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care. [01:02]
* asciilifeform very confused [01:02]
mircea_popescu have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest". [01:02]
asciilifeform how does this 'solve' [01:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each [01:03]
mircea_popescu so ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders". [01:04]
mircea_popescu very substantially different. [01:04]
asciilifeform so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu who is different from where. [01:04]
asciilifeform and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required. [01:04]
mircea_popescu THIS works for who. [01:04]
mircea_popescu no argument. [01:04]
mircea_popescu but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab" [01:06]
mircea_popescu i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies" [01:06]
nubbins` oh ho [01:06]
mircea_popescu did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ? [01:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day' [01:06]
nubbins` duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech [01:07]
decimation except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all [01:07]
mircea_popescu decimation depends on the code. [01:07]
asciilifeform and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu and so it will. [01:07]
decimation and achieve substantial yeild [01:08]
mircea_popescu decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it. [01:08]
mircea_popescu even better than 99% yield. [01:08]
asciilifeform cuckoldry doesn't work on everything. [01:08]
mircea_popescu buy the duds, "sell them for scrap" [01:08]
decimation how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one? [01:08]
mircea_popescu most of them, anyway. [01:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, it does. [01:08]
mircea_popescu decimation buy them for scrap ? [01:09]
mircea_popescu they ARE garbage are they not. [01:09]
asciilifeform this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run. [01:09]
decimation wait, I thought they were 'dual use' [01:09]
mircea_popescu decimation the plant not the boards. [01:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do tell ? [01:09]
nubbins` asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front [01:09]
nubbins` and another in bangor [01:09]
mircea_popescu (and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here) [01:09]
decimation well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees [01:10]
asciilifeform just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island... [01:10]
mircea_popescu (just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e) [01:10]
mircea_popescu decimation so ? [01:10]
asciilifeform no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical [01:10]
decimation literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run [01:10]
asciilifeform of each -layer- [01:10]
mircea_popescu decimation so ? they know it failed. [01:11]
mircea_popescu what now ? [01:11]
decimation why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units [01:11]
mircea_popescu huh ? [01:11]
asciilifeform the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large. [01:11]
mircea_popescu what, they do the melting down in house ? [01:11]
decimation absolutely they do [01:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above. [01:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so [01:12]
mircea_popescu decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away [01:12]
nubbins` now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too? [01:12]
mircea_popescu and if they don't presently... [01:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` wut ?! [01:13]
asciilifeform i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware [01:13]
mircea_popescu the word bribe was in there. [01:13]
asciilifeform in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a [01:13]
asciilifeform or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way [01:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, point being : we don't construct a new earth. [01:14]
mircea_popescu we repurpose the extant one. [01:14]
mircea_popescu sorry to disappoint the settlers. [01:14]
decimation even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization [01:14]
mircea_popescu right [01:14]
asciilifeform i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron [01:14]
asciilifeform could probably come up with a fab. in time... [01:15]
mircea_popescu but CHEAPER THAN ISLAND [01:15]
decimation that's not obvious to me at all [01:15]
mircea_popescu really ? [01:15]
decimation how much do you think pitcairn island costs [01:15]
mircea_popescu here we go again with this nominalist fallacy. [01:15]
asciilifeform decimation: it may as well be in center of washington [01:15]
asciilifeform decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you. [01:15]
asciilifeform or which 'cost' was spoken of [01:16]
mircea_popescu you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want [01:16]
decimation in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters [01:16]
mircea_popescu how much does midway cost ? [01:16]
mircea_popescu it's self governing like ukraine is self-governing. [01:16]
decimation obviously usg aint' selling [01:16]
decimation (midway is a nature preserve now) [01:16]
asciilifeform also recall the 'seastead' thread [01:16]
mircea_popescu decimation uk fashion, this [01:16]
asciilifeform (there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg) [01:17]
mircea_popescu how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1 [01:17]
asciilifeform *to sea [01:17]
nubbins` sealand! [01:17]
decimation george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest [01:17]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papah%C4%81naumoku%C4%81kea_Marine_National_Monument [01:20]
assbot Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD ) [01:20]
mircea_popescu lol [01:21]
decimation " It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana." [01:21]
asciilifeform wai wat [01:22]
decimation and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law [01:22]
decimation asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway [01:23]
asciilifeform it also owns europe [01:24]
asciilifeform what of it [01:24]
decimation perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia [01:25]
asciilifeform ... and do what on it? [01:26]
asciilifeform you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea [01:26]
asciilifeform it doesn't buy you sovereignty [01:26]
asciilifeform or autarky [01:26]
mircea_popescu i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers [01:29]
asciilifeform and likes to imagine that there is a place to go [01:29]
asciilifeform where there is something more to do than dig own grave [01:29]
decimation aye [01:29]
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BingoBoingo where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat [01:31]
BingoBoingo i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race [01:32]
mircea_popescu aha [01:32]
asciilifeform ^ [01:32]
mircea_popescu maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats" [01:32]
asciilifeform this also. [01:32]
mircea_popescu nobody proposes toi, you know, move to mongolia [01:33]
mircea_popescu or kansas. which would be more practical. [01:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think for a minute [01:33]
asciilifeform the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people- [01:33]
asciilifeform boat is a machine for being poor without having to endure poor people. [01:33]
mircea_popescu but it's empty. [01:33]
mircea_popescu fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? [01:33]
mircea_popescu go to novosibiirks and walk. [01:33]
mircea_popescu you have any idea how deserted it gets ? [01:34]
asciilifeform if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty. [01:34]
BingoBoingo fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle. [01:34]
asciilifeform in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean. [01:34]
mircea_popescu no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone. [01:34]
mircea_popescu in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown. [01:35]
asciilifeform perelman, possibly could. [01:35]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [01:35]
mircea_popescu and no, vicinty would not get less empty. [01:35]
mircea_popescu police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY [01:35]
mircea_popescu where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place. [01:35]
asciilifeform aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ? [01:36]
asciilifeform usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place [01:36]
mircea_popescu you wisah to grow cocaine on your island ?! [01:36]
asciilifeform as a hypothetical [01:36]
asciilifeform litmus test, so to speak, of sovereignty [01:36]
mircea_popescu srsly ? [01:36]
asciilifeform or nukes, if you like [01:36]
mircea_popescu well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely. [01:36]
asciilifeform can you work on a plausible thermonuke in your kingdom? if yes, then sovereign. [01:37]
mircea_popescu between tashkent and fuckwascalled [01:37]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol. [01:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwVyci ) [01:38]
mircea_popescu notice anything ? [01:38]
mircea_popescu "o, is that an airport ?" "no, it's a mall." [01:38]
asciilifeform road for tanks [01:38]
asciilifeform and airstrip when it wants. [01:39]
asciilifeform at any rate, i must confess that i've forgotten what kind of puzzle all of this was intended to be a solution to. [01:40]
asciilifeform if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein [01:41]
mircea_popescu it was merely my curiosity as to "why island" [01:41]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/03/paypal-settles-with-us-for-sanctions-violations/ [01:42]
assbot PayPal Settles With US For Sanctions Violations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwWnls ) [01:42]
mircea_popescu which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves. [01:42]
mircea_popescu lawl. [01:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people' [01:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ? [01:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2} [01:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people. [01:43]
mircea_popescu to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity. [01:43]
asciilifeform specially-selected other people. but otherwise yes [01:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly. [01:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem. [01:44]
asciilifeform i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu' [01:44]
mircea_popescu but merely because yo ucan buy something... [01:44]
mircea_popescu i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ? [01:45]
mircea_popescu spray some on door. [01:45]
asciilifeform people with limited imagination actually dream of attainable things [01:45]
asciilifeform believe or not! [01:45]
mircea_popescu cheaper things that also do not work could be had... [01:45]
asciilifeform i know, it's mind-boggling [01:45]
asciilifeform 'here have this brick' [01:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034997 [01:45]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto [01:45]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:46]
mircea_popescu by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler. [01:46]
mircea_popescu that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable. [01:46]
* asciilifeform thought that this was well-known. [01:47]
mircea_popescu well you never know. [01:47]
asciilifeform http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed. [01:49]
assbot A Film Unfinished: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA ) [01:49]
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asciilifeform 'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' ' [01:50]
asciilifeform ^ crock'o'shit [01:50]
asciilifeform the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end. [01:50]
asciilifeform between them and the black-marketeers, enough to feed a regiment. [01:50]
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mircea_popescu myeah. [01:51]
asciilifeform why did the author of the article find it necessary to insert this howler, i wonder [01:51]
asciilifeform 'never existed' [01:51]
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nubbins` yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope. [02:01]
mircea_popescu because he thinks he knows thing, asciilifeform [02:02]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/maripostas/ << here, exact same problem. [02:02]
assbot Maripostas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx0iP3 ) [02:02]
mircea_popescu read the clerk in shop part. [02:02]
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BingoBoingo WTF they hash their inventory? [02:16]
mircea_popescu de facto. [02:24]
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mircea_popescu turn HerpenStock Ultra Plus into Herpnstk Ult P [02:25]
mircea_popescu it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless [02:25]
BingoBoingo lol [02:31]
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mircea_popescu http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60691727.jpg [03:35]
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felipelalli Guys, I just wrote an article about BTCJam: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/btcjam-e-genericos-nao-use/ [03:42]
assbot BTCJam e genéricos: não use | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgoLjc ) [03:42]
felipelalli Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu [03:42]
felipelalli I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later. [03:44]
mircea_popescu http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. [03:44]
assbot Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTc5Mf ) [03:44]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/27/lets-do-health-care/ [03:55]
pete_dushenski wd on the logs today gents! [03:57]
pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073280 << if #b-a ever had a tagline, this'd be it. [04:00]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline. [04:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach. [04:00]
mircea_popescu overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart" [04:00]
mircea_popescu which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad. [04:01]
mircea_popescu in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine. [04:02]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days. [04:03]
mircea_popescu chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism. [04:03]
pete_dushenski i can see that. [04:04]
mircea_popescu o hay p [04:04]
pete_dushenski hey! [04:04]
pete_dushenski the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles [04:05]
pete_dushenski so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc. [04:05]
mircea_popescu i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision [04:05]
pete_dushenski if one is to ascribe any purpose to it [04:06]
pete_dushenski other than "do this to prove your faith" [04:06]
mircea_popescu i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself, [04:06]
pete_dushenski right. like not eating delicious pork. [04:07]
pete_dushenski prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc. [04:07]
mircea_popescu pork's not *that* great. [04:07]
mircea_popescu lobster tho. fucking insanity. [04:07]
pete_dushenski eh really ? shellfish does't do it for me [04:07]
pete_dushenski pulled pork and bacon though... yum! [04:08]
pete_dushenski though not "canadian back bacon" [04:08]
pete_dushenski that shit's weird. [04:08]
mircea_popescu "Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao dólare e +6,44% em bitcoin." [04:09]
pete_dushenski either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern. [04:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-] [04:09]
pete_dushenski and not the least bit supported by history [04:09]
mircea_popescu gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc. [04:09]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. [04:11]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:11]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol [04:17]
pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074043 << a trillion ain't what she used to be. [04:18]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire' [04:18]
pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074075 << jamaicans next door ? [04:19]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people... [04:19]
mircea_popescu not even. [04:19]
mircea_popescu i think they just burned like a bale orsomething. [04:20]
pete_dushenski maybe their hair ? [04:20]
pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074080 << taleb has his 'black swan horizons universa etf' [04:22]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013 [04:22]
mircea_popescu nah nah [04:22]
mircea_popescu was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options [04:22]
mircea_popescu had some success... in the 90s. [04:22]
pete_dushenski question: what makes a fund 'secular' ? [04:23]
mircea_popescu in this case i just meant, long term. [04:24]
mircea_popescu it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess. [04:25]
mircea_popescu "secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business" [04:25]
pete_dushenski aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me [04:26]
pete_dushenski turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways! [04:26]
pete_dushenski either way, ty. [04:26]
mircea_popescu in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine. [04:27]
pete_dushenski this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society" [04:28]
mircea_popescu but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg [04:30]
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mircea_popescu ;;google secularisation [04:30]
gribble Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: ; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: [04:30]
pete_dushenski gotcha [04:31]
mircea_popescu introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg [04:34]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ? [04:40]
mircea_popescu the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ? [04:40]
pete_dushenski in a "under-bridge stencil" sort of way, i suppose ;) [04:42]
mircea_popescu :p [04:43]
pete_dushenski bon soir b-a! [04:48]
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cazalla friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg! [04:51]
mircea_popescu is it any good ? [04:57]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization [05:06]
mircea_popescu aha [05:07]
mircea_popescu unity engine huh. [05:07]
mircea_popescu but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal. [05:07]
mircea_popescu More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon [05:10]
mircea_popescu ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders. [05:10]
mircea_popescu ahaha epic. [05:10]
mircea_popescu the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much. [05:11]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [05:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 247.18, vol: 7891.78309607 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 244.851, vol: 11191.44133 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.64, vol: 37085.93177561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 9.59607962 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.52017, vol: 190089.18580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.89158, vol: 13.25006486 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 248.929, vol: 49.522709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [05:36]
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danielpbarron you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses [13:53]
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nubbins` who'd sell them though? [13:54]
trinque danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place [13:54]
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nubbins` this would be like restaurants selling USD. [13:54]
trinque instead of the "btc for latte" situation [13:54]
Chillum credit cards started as dining cards [13:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically. [13:55]
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Chillum it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea [13:55]
Chillum through food [13:55]
trinque that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin [13:55]
danielpbarron sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail? [13:55]
trinque nothing's stopping you [13:55]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically. [13:55]
mircea_popescu Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card. [13:56]
Chillum the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin) [13:56]
danielpbarron the majority of my snail mail is credit card spam [13:56]
Chillum people won't like the changing value though [13:56]
mircea_popescu by then, not much room for value to change TO [13:56]
danielpbarron that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses" [13:56]
funkenstein_ they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either [13:56]
mircea_popescu why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ? [13:56]
danielpbarron things will be priced in satoshi, not bitcoin [13:56]
mircea_popescu because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ? [13:57]
mircea_popescu neah. just... size. [13:57]
Chillum it is not stable [13:57]
Chillum it is just commonly used as a reference [13:57]
funkenstein_ big ships never sink, it's well known [13:57]
Chillum lol [13:57]
mircea_popescu well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like [13:57]
mircea_popescu as it's not changing [13:57]
Chillum yup [13:57]
felipelalli felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect. [13:57]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads. [13:57]
mircea_popescu felipelalli so go for it [13:58]
funkenstein_ how to sink the shit is the question then [13:58]
* mircea_popescu building hawala on top of hawala since 2011! [13:58]
mircea_popescu i dunno funkenstein_, this stinker's a floater >D [13:58]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: :) [13:59]
felipelalli Have you guys read the article? [13:59]
Chillum the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink [13:59]
danielpbarron felipelalli, i have [13:59]
funkenstein_ rising tUSD [13:59]
felipelalli danielpbarron: makes sense? [13:59]
danielpbarron yep [13:59]
felipelalli the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community. [14:00]
felipelalli a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public. [14:01]
mircea_popescu felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question. [14:01]
mircea_popescu ;;seen brendafdez [14:04]
gribble brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. [14:04]
nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/ [14:04]
assbot What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLslL ) [14:05]
danielpbarron chicken cordon bleu is pretty simple [14:06]
nubbins` http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-05-22/how-japan-helped-ease-the-rice-crisisbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice [14:06]
assbot How Japan Helped Ease the Rice Crisis - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLFoT ) [14:06]
nubbins` cooking most things is... pretty simple [14:06]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that. [14:06]
danielpbarron hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs [14:07]
danielpbarron felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower [14:08]
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felipelalli danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it. [14:08]
felipelalli the ugly truth! [14:08]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/i5zd2hT.gif [14:08]
nubbins` ^ dat lane change [14:09]
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danielpbarron felipelalli, have you heard of mpex and bitbet ? [14:09]
felipelalli mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember. [14:09]
felipelalli ah yes!! I use it. [14:10]
felipelalli well, I used in the past* [14:10]
danielpbarron so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam [14:10]
felipelalli it's fun to play sometimes. [14:10]
felipelalli danielpbarron: yes!! :) [14:10]
mircea_popescu nubbins` actually, pork wellington imo. [14:10]
mircea_popescu it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too! [14:10]
nubbins` i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while [14:10]
nubbins` aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand.... [14:11]
mircea_popescu it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin. [14:11]
mircea_popescu mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven [14:11]
mircea_popescu there's literally nothing you can fuck up in there. [14:11]
felipelalli The irony: soon after I published my article in the Brazilian community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=m6BTX292 [14:12]
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felipelalli Making spam in our group. [14:12]
mircea_popescu obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know. [14:12]
nubbins` http://np.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/30g1nh/found_this_in_my_sisters_closet_while_helping_her/cps3dik [14:13]
assbot Inigo93 comments on Found this in my sister's closet while helping her move. What is this hook looking thing for? ... ( http://bit.ly/19pN4vF ) [14:14]
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mircea_popescu aaahgahaha [14:14]
mircea_popescu share the sister. [14:14]
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nubbins` :D [14:14]
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nubbins` "i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha [14:15]
felipelalli ahhahahahahaha [14:16]
mircea_popescu !up qntranet [14:16]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy [14:16]
mircea_popescu "put it back in" [14:16]
nubbins` ^^^ [14:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it [14:16]
BingoBoingo ^ [14:16]
nubbins` it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it. [14:16]
mircea_popescu so you know, if it's all gross don't eat it. [14:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington! [14:17]
mircea_popescu i tihnk that must be an insider joke [14:17]
nubbins` tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up [14:17]
Adlai BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles? [14:17]
Adlai in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html? [14:17]
nubbins` so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not [14:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` besides, if you're worried use beef [14:17]
mircea_popescu then it literally does not matter. [14:17]
nubbins` nod [14:17]
mircea_popescu "i've seared it, haven't i ?!" [14:17]
nubbins` TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P [14:17]
mircea_popescu you can't really do that in a dough seal. [14:18]
nubbins` not w/o making a steam vent, hey [14:18]
nubbins` yeah, i'mma try this. [14:18]
nubbins` i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science [14:18]
nubbins` time to up my game [14:18]
BingoBoingo Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow [14:19]
nubbins` haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days. [14:19]
mircea_popescu nubbins` sauteed mushrooms if you have em [14:19]
mircea_popescu thin sliced portobello... [14:19]
Adlai so like this((footnote)), for example? [14:19]
nubbins` mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms [14:19]
nubbins` then whole works in oven [14:19]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Yeah [14:19]
mircea_popescu Adlai no, like this ((footnote)) [14:20]
mircea_popescu needs the leading space [14:20]
nubbins` after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze [14:20]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you want them thin slices. [14:20]
nubbins` headiest pan sauce ever [14:20]
mircea_popescu for wellington i mean [14:20]
nubbins` a [14:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for [14:20]
nubbins` i do have some huge portobellos here [14:20]
* nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too [14:21]
nubbins` plastic bag is meh [14:21]
mircea_popescu wine not vinegar. [14:21]
nubbins` you know i don't marinate with either? [14:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` btw, you ever had pleurotus ? [14:22]
nubbins` nope [14:22]
nubbins` oh, oyster mush. yeah. [14:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. [14:23]
mircea_popescu also works well for this purpose. [14:23]
mircea_popescu actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus... [14:23]
nubbins` chanterelles grow wild here [14:23]
nubbins` should go foraging [14:23]
mircea_popescu it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy. [14:23]
nubbins` there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating [14:24]
mircea_popescu o yeah. or that one how's it called, midget's trumpet [14:24]
mircea_popescu brb [14:24]
mircea_popescu craterellus cornucopioides [14:24]
nubbins` C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8) [14:24]
mircea_popescu aha! [14:24]
mircea_popescu dja get the black chanterelle in canada ? [14:25]
BingoBoingo Can never go wrong with Morels [14:25]
nubbins` hmm i haven't seen em [14:25]
nubbins` but that's not to say they don't grow here! [14:25]
nubbins` <--city boy [14:25]
mircea_popescu should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows [14:26]
nubbins` we do have birch [14:26]
mircea_popescu little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them [14:26]
nubbins` i've prolly walked on them :D [14:26]
mircea_popescu but they're very tasty and even age well [14:26]
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chetty << seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over [14:27]
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mircea_popescu what happened to it / [14:27]
chetty nothing but now I am drooling for wellington [14:28]
nubbins` wrap it in a pancake. [14:28]
mircea_popescu haha tomorrow is another day! [14:28]
nubbins` anyway back to where this began [14:29]
nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/ [14:29]
assbot What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxlRET ) [14:29]
nubbins` Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make? [14:29]
nubbins` look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF. [14:30]
nubbins` just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor. [14:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2} [14:30]
nubbins` listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner. [14:30]
mircea_popescu maybe he should lie about dinner too. [14:30]
nubbins` namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her [14:31]
nubbins` one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out [14:31]
nubbins` lel, +1. [14:31]
mircea_popescu nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying [14:31]
mircea_popescu they're just excited your lips are moving. [14:31]
mircea_popescu (if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi. [14:32]
nubbins` another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it [14:32]
mircea_popescu then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".) [14:32]
nubbins` "Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place." [14:32]
nubbins` hahaha [14:32]
nubbins` don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"? [14:32]
mircea_popescu "mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen" [14:33]
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mircea_popescu "no mom, i mean use it for cooking" [14:33]
mircea_popescu "you can cook ?!" [14:33]
mircea_popescu "well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!" [14:33]
mircea_popescu funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff. [14:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-] [14:39]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client [14:41]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text [14:41]
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nubbins` too troo [14:43]
nubbins` anyway, got it done ;/ [14:44]
mircea_popescu !up CartmanGoon [14:44]
-assbot- You voiced CartmanGoon for 30 minutes. [14:44]
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ben_vulpes this, ftr, is why i use gmail. [14:44]
ben_vulpes the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious. [14:44]
mircea_popescu because it sucks but it's free ? [14:44]
ben_vulpes nono, they come pre-compromised. [14:45]
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mircea_popescu ah k [14:45]
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nubbins` Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux. [14:49]
nubbins` heh what. [14:49]
* nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy [14:50]
mike_c Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better. [14:51]
mike_c no? maybe a stretch. [14:52]
nubbins` sorry [14:52]
nubbins` hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find [14:53]
mircea_popescu krapf cheese [14:54]
mircea_popescu ok, that's chuckleworthy [14:54]
mircea_popescu so argentina called for a general strike. [14:55]
mircea_popescu because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government. [14:55]
mircea_popescu i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright. [14:56]
mircea_popescu not like anyone has a real job anyway. [14:56]
mike_c i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day [14:57]
mircea_popescu somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out [14:57]
mircea_popescu after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita. [14:57]
mircea_popescu which ? [14:57]
mike_c "how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth" [14:57]
mircea_popescu this is so eerily apt. [14:57]
mike_c apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :) [14:58]
mircea_popescu it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies. [14:58]
mike_c hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy [14:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next. [14:59]
mircea_popescu only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse. [14:59]
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mircea_popescu but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion. [15:01]
mircea_popescu except perhaps hungary or soemthing. [15:01]
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mircea_popescu but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate. [15:05]
mircea_popescu because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?! [15:05]
mircea_popescu the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward. [15:06]
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mircea_popescu if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?! [15:06]
Adlai BingoBoingo: can i use <pre>? [15:08]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Sure [15:08]
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Adlai (it's not listen in the tags below the comment box) [15:08]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment? [15:09]
Adlai article [15:09]
Adlai re: Tomáš Jiřikovský [15:09]
BingoBoingo Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do [15:09]
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mircea_popescu "Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk [15:11]
mircea_popescu is Eva Bartošová hot ? [15:11]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-w1VHQ4q0 kinda not. [15:11]
assbot MEDIÁCIA namiesto súdu - Mgr. Eva Bartošová - mediátorka.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu6ExN ) [15:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron? [15:13]
ascii_field i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model [15:14]
mircea_popescu i dunno. [15:14]
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ascii_field 1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm) [15:14]
mircea_popescu atm prices are about 2-300% inflated, easy. [15:14]
mircea_popescu for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made. [15:14]
mircea_popescu they wouldn't have it any other way. [15:14]
ascii_field y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson [15:15]
mircea_popescu i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades. [15:15]
mircea_popescu "letting" ? cmon. [15:15]
ascii_field 'letting' as in 'live and let die' [15:15]
mircea_popescu right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy. [15:16]
mircea_popescu why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu anyway brb [15:16]
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BingoBoingo why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!! [15:21]
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ascii_field the 150k might be a deal [15:22]
Adlai BingoBoingo: how's this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fgLwuvLj [15:23]
ascii_field if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr [15:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxo2ID ) [15:23]
ascii_field (try that in ohio!) [15:23]
BingoBoingo Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason [15:27]
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Adlai cazalla: can you? [15:28]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio [15:28]
Adlai it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me [15:28]
Adlai F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla [15:29]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly [15:29]
* ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him [15:30]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: I'd take Argentina [15:30]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features? [15:30]
Adlai mmmaybe? [15:30]
BingoBoingo Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing. [15:32]
Adlai BingoBoingo: how's http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5XQavzhB [15:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu7WsJ ) [15:32]
BingoBoingo Oh, that worked much better [15:33]
Adlai BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough [15:35]
BingoBoingo Adlai: What word is w|% supposed to be? [15:37]
BingoBoingo third word in the piece [15:38]
Adlai where does that appear? [15:38]
mike_c right after the second word. [15:38]
Adlai ah. "who'se" [15:38]
Adlai er, who's [15:39]
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* Adlai blames hanewin [15:39]
BingoBoingo Seems more likely a fancy quote problem [15:40]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read? [15:42]
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ascii_field wai wat [15:44]
ascii_field where [15:44]
Adlai ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff [15:44]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: In Adlai's piece [15:44]
Adlai "Czech FINCEN equivalenti " [15:44]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Just email it to me unencrypted. [15:44]
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ascii_field financial-analytical-directorate ? [15:46]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because [15:46]
ascii_field aha [15:46]
Adlai BingoBoingo: sent [15:47]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls [15:49]
Adlai how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it [15:49]
BingoBoingo works [15:50]
ascii_field http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/manual/manual.html << therealbitcoin folks - study it [15:53]
assbot The Buildroot user manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9jHO ) [15:54]
* mod6 looks [15:55]
mod6 bro you type fast [15:55]
BingoBoingo Adlai: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ [15:56]
assbot Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9pPF ) [15:56]
ascii_field mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship [15:56]
Adlai "by Bingo Boingo"? [15:56]
BingoBoingo dammit, will fx [15:57]
mod6 ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :) [15:57]
Adlai thx [15:57]
* Adlai dogwalk [15:57]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: item 9 [15:58]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: missing line break [15:58]
Adlai BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through [15:59]
Adlai bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? [15:59]
BingoBoingo bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao [16:00]
Adlai sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links [16:01]
Adlai s/a link/version/ [16:02]
BingoBoingo email link version pls [16:02]
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thestringpuller scoopbot ain't doin it's job again? [16:07]
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cazalla Adlai, decrypted fine for me [16:09]
Adlai blame bingo :P [16:10]
cazalla thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P [16:10]
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danielpbarron i think he got lost in a netsplit [16:12]
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danielpbarron or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order [16:16]
nubbins` i'm stalled out on buildroot [16:16]
nubbins` dem missing dependencies [16:16]
nubbins` not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host [16:17]
BingoBoingo ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature [16:17]
BingoBoingo Sorry, good signature [16:19]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package [16:23]
assbot Board support package - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub083 ) [16:23]
mats http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/03/27/breaking-sheep-marketplace-owner-arrested/ [16:23]
assbot Breaking: Sheep Marketplace Owner Arrested - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub1cf ) [16:23]
mats another amateur pwned [16:24]
nubbins` am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^ [16:24]
Adlai mats: qntra just covered this! [16:24]
mats o [16:25]
Adlai :P [16:25]
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BingoBoingo More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin [16:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxrnaq ) [16:26]
thestringpuller cazalla: MP thinks it is. [16:27]
thestringpuller !s scoopbot working [16:27]
assbot 5 results for 'scoopbot working' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot+working [16:27]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/5N9dLKz.png [16:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrsuX ) [16:29]
nubbins` lel @ 3rd photo on top [16:29]
nubbins` my sides. [16:29]
danielpbarron they got the same size bewbs [16:30]
BingoBoingo That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy [16:31]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/GPQNTok [16:34]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrCCx ) [16:34]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:39]
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ascii_field nubbins`: yes, it's a board pkg. [16:39]
ascii_field nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style [16:39]
nubbins` oo [16:40]
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ascii_field https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15463 << l0ltr0n1c [16:41]
assbot #15463 (Tor deals poorly with a very large number of incoming connection requests.) [16:41]
trinque +cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think [16:45]
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trinque would be trivial to crap one together [16:45]
danielpbarron what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? [16:47]
trinque https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks-contrib/blob/master/src/tenyksfeeds/main.py << there someone rewrite scoopbot in an afternoon [16:48]
assbot tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub [16:48]
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nubbins` <+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right? [16:49]
nubbins` "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income" [16:49]
nubbins` bbl [16:49]
trinque >wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency [16:50]
trinque >deserves whatever happens next [16:50]
ascii_field http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes << mega-l0l!! [16:56]
assbot CA Dem Warns Global Warming Will Make Women Prostitutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxsvLc ) [16:56]
ascii_field ^ mircea_popescu [16:57]
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trinque ascii_field: holy shit the video [16:57]
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trinque it's some rapper guy wit bitches [16:57]
trinque to say nothing of california using less water, eh? [16:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+] [17:12]
trinque this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad... [17:13]
trinque no coin in that box you fucks :D [17:13]
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punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg [17:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuqQ2 ) [17:18]
ascii_field wat [17:18]
punkman I dunno [17:18]
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nubbins` my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel! [17:21]
nubbins` i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go [17:23]
trinque oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today [17:24]
trinque amazon uber alles [17:24]
nubbins` nb [17:25]
trinque got the cheapest shipping too [17:26]
nubbins` didja get the purple or blue [17:32]
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funkenstein_ anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? [17:34]
nubbins` still pulling blocks [17:36]
nubbins` danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his [17:39]
danielpbarron i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point [17:40]
funkenstein_ i got 280k and counting [17:40]
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danielpbarron the version i'm running is not the latest release though [17:41]
nubbins` i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything [17:41]
funkenstein_ there is no "getpeerinfo" [17:41]
* nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough [17:42]
BingoBoingo FU AP Styleguide trying to kill sportswriting https://twitter.com/tschmedding/status/581470736654737409/photo/1 [17:43]
assbot Whoa. /APStylebook revamps sports, brings from 1950s to 2010s. /hashtag/ACES2015?src=hash http://t.co/W3jPZHneYv [17:43]
mod6 <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install. [17:43]
funkenstein_ mod6, thanks good to hear it [17:44]
mod6 can you do me a favor? [17:44]
funkenstein_ and you have put some sample TXs through it? [17:44]
funkenstein_ sure [17:45]
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mod6 do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build? [17:45]
mod6 i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address. [17:45]
mod6 yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link. [17:45]
mod6 (i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm) [17:45]
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funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 [17:46]
assbot dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxw0kR ) [17:46]
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nubbins` mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality [17:46]
nubbins` i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post [17:47]
mod6 here it is funkenstein_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R [17:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxwlnL ) [17:49]
mod6 shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary [17:50]
mod6 nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it. [17:50]
funkenstein_ whee look at that, cooking with gas [17:51]
nubbins` k [17:51]
mod6 yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it. [17:51]
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danielpbarron https://archive.today/http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 [17:52]
assbot http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F21ePe ) [17:52]
funkenstein_ if it was useful i could test on fedora [17:52]
mod6 so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps. [17:53]
funkenstein_ hmm i didn't get my debian box to build [17:53]
mod6 oh thanks danielpbarron [17:53]
mod6 what debian? (we test on deb6) [17:53]
funkenstein_ debian8 [17:53]
mod6 ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it. [17:53]
funkenstein_ but likely the issue is my build environment [17:53]
funkenstein_ i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test [17:54]
mod6 well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it! [17:54]
nubbins` re: fedora, why not! [17:54]
funkenstein_ i'll give it a go :) [17:54]
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funkenstein_ speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable [17:58]
funkenstein_ request for comment : 2crow.org [17:58]
nubbins` hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link [17:59]
nubbins` nah, i'm just kidding. [17:59]
funkenstein_ nah I add that in later nubbins ;) [18:04]
thestringpuller nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border [18:04]
thestringpuller says, "But it was funny." [18:04]
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funkenstein_ hmm builds proceeding. funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64 [18:13]
nubbins` what do you mean [18:14]
nubbins` oh, sorry [18:14]
nubbins` parse error [18:15]
ascii_field ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight [18:15]
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funkenstein_ the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ [18:15]
assbot xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1F23wxR ) [18:15]
nubbins` like you said, what's a wallet without rng [18:15]
ascii_field the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc. [18:15]
BingoBoingo Seems prudent to excise it [18:16]
ascii_field like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with [18:16]
BingoBoingo Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that [18:16]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: tell that to beavis >> http://s965.photobucket.com/user/TimeCaptured/media/saw1.png.html [18:17]
mike_c but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained? [18:20]
* ascii_field would maintain it [18:21]
mike_c does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version? that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches [18:21]
ascii_field mike_c: would like to cut some footprint [18:22]
mike_c i thought it was like 5.5mb. [18:22]
ascii_field mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort [18:22]
ascii_field mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply. [18:22]
punkman we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway [18:22]
ascii_field ^ [18:22]
mike_c yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch. if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?) [18:23]
mike_c ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable? or just easier to fit on smaller arch. [18:24]
ascii_field mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom [18:24]
ascii_field but more general principle [18:24]
mike_c ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on. [18:24]
ascii_field smaller -> more auditable. [18:24]
nubbins` hmm [18:25]
ascii_field but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide [18:25]
punkman maybe add my mining-snip patch too [18:25]
nubbins` suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet? [18:25]
ascii_field punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?) [18:25]
nubbins` short-term [18:25]
ascii_field or i suppose you could... [18:25]
nubbins` make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim [18:25]
nubbins` in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch [18:26]
nubbins` included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz [18:26]
mike_c short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device. [18:26]
nubbins` (/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra" [18:26]
mike_c serendipity will prevail [18:26]
mike_c of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait. [18:27]
nubbins` ^ +1 [18:27]
nubbins` 8) [18:27]
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Adlai ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase [18:33]
nubbins` what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big? [18:37]
ascii_field Adlai: yes i remembered [18:39]
ascii_field nubbins`: selectable [18:40]
ascii_field nubbins`: little-endian by default [18:40]
nubbins` i'll stick with that [18:40]
ascii_field (most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian) [18:40]
nubbins` you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere? [18:40]
ascii_field nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way [18:41]
ascii_field ideally will wrap this up tonight [18:41]
nubbins` lovely [18:41]
ascii_field i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon. [18:41]
nubbins` finally got buildroot nut cracked here [18:42]
nubbins` s/make menuconfig/make nconfig [18:42]
ascii_field so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init [18:42]
ascii_field and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp [18:42]
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nubbins` !up ascii_field [18:42]
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ascii_field all else - works [18:42]
ascii_field (hardware-wise) [18:43]
ascii_field did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc) [18:43]
nubbins` i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward [18:43]
ascii_field nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work [18:43]
ascii_field that is, i have the marvell config flags set [18:44]
ascii_field but no devices appear for them [18:44]
ascii_field anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up [18:44]
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ascii_field otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious [18:44]
ascii_field i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel. [18:45]
trinque flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes" [18:45]
ascii_field trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03 [18:46]
trinque ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was [18:46]
ascii_field trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know. [18:46]
ben_vulpes anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah [18:47]
trinque ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs? [18:47]
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ascii_field trinque: not from memory, no [18:48]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not [18:48]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches [18:48]
ben_vulpes the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project. [18:49]
assbot xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nkay4G ) [18:49]
ben_vulpes oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already? [18:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2} [18:49]
ben_vulpes i kid, i kid. [18:49]
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ben_vulpes short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will? [18:50]
mike_c didn't you just say you would? [18:50]
ben_vulpes "pogo variant" [18:50]
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mike_c oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list. [18:51]
ben_vulpes but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating [18:51]
ben_vulpes yeah, it's down at 12 [18:51]
ben_vulpes 'cause needs discussion. [18:51]
ben_vulpes on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there? [18:52]
ben_vulpes on the other hand - what else is one going to do? [18:52]
mike_c uh, run a pogo [18:52]
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ben_vulpes cant' use a pogo to send btc [18:53]
mike_c right. that's what one is going to do with a wallet. [18:53]
Chillum I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014 [18:53]
Chillum compiling now [18:54]
mike_c the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc [18:54]
ben_vulpes mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet. [18:54]
ben_vulpes yeah, "could". [18:54]
ben_vulpes someday. [18:54]
ascii_field suggestion - we #ifdef it. [18:55]
mike_c (and double the test matrix) [18:55]
ascii_field much as i despise #ifdef [18:55]
trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039405 << there's the one, 777 boeing hax keywords yay [18:55]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 06:35:11; asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies ! [18:55]
mike_c thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet. [18:56]
ascii_field mike_c: not quite [18:56]
mike_c it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start [18:56]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary? [18:56]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance' [18:56]
ben_vulpes the latter i don't care too much about. [18:56]
mike_c to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo [18:57]
ben_vulpes ah [18:57]
ben_vulpes fuck it, ship it. [18:57]
mike_c that's what i said :) [18:57]
ben_vulpes "overengineering is like cocaine" [18:57]
funkenstein_ you could make an SPV node with no wallet [18:57]
ben_vulpes funkenstein_: what. [18:58]
funkenstein_ it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :) [18:58]
ascii_field self-propelled vehicle? [18:58]
ben_vulpes "simple payment verification" [18:58]
ascii_field waat [18:58]
ben_vulpes is that the headers-only thing? [18:58]
ben_vulpes bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_ [18:59]
ascii_field fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw [18:59]
ascii_field !s fucksaw [18:59]
assbot 0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw [18:59]
ascii_field waaaat [18:59]
ascii_field ;;google fucksaw [18:59]
gribble America's Greatest University Demonstrates 'Fucksaw' For ... - Gawker: ; Amazon.com: Fuck Saw Adapter: Health & Personal Care: ; JT's Stockroom - Fuck Saw: [18:59]
ben_vulpes anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks. [19:00]
ben_vulpes rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first [19:01]
ben_vulpes pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving. [19:01]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing [19:01]
ben_vulpes bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list. [19:02]
funkenstein_ mod6: build error on a fedora box: dpaste.com/28E8Z9X [19:02]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ? [19:02]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail. [19:02]
ascii_field Aha [19:02]
funkenstein_ what are bastard blocks? [19:02]
ben_vulpes blocks with no chain ancestry. [19:03]
ben_vulpes they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills. [19:03]
ben_vulpes naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain [19:03]
ben_vulpes (if i read the cee pee pee correctly) [19:04]
ben_vulpes anyways, i must off. [19:04]
funkenstein_ thanks, i will read up [19:04]
ascii_field http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html << reading material [19:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL ) [19:04]
danielpbarron i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos [19:06]
danielpbarron because of the bastards [19:06]
funkenstein_ so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet? [19:10]
funkenstein_ *but we aren't ready for them yet? [19:10]
ascii_field danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines [19:10]
danielpbarron i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo [19:12]
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funkenstein_ i set a script with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab [19:12]
danielpbarron that'll probably be the shipped sollution [19:13]
funkenstein_ has anyone tried btcd the go node? [19:16]
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trinque felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me [19:19]
trinque !up felipelalli [19:20]
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felipelalli no worries! [19:20]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074727 <<< my money is on her never to return here [19:29]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez [19:29]
mike_c did she ragequit? [19:30]
cazalla mike_c, not that i know of [19:31]
cazalla but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent [19:31]
mike_c hehe. always a good way to make someone leave. "here's some work" [19:32]
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BingoBoingo ;;seen brendafdez [19:34]
gribble brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. [19:34]
cazalla maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see [19:34]
BingoBoingo Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America [19:35]
Chillum damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours [19:35]
Chillum bitcoin-0.10.0 that is [19:36]
trinque pogo plug...er.. plugged. [19:40]
trinque I'll turdel it this evening [19:40]
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danielpbarron i think he'll come back [19:46]
danielpbarron we are facebook friendz [19:46]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [19:47]
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trinque danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions? [19:48]
trinque found [19:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2} [19:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla mine too. [19:50]
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danielpbarron heh i was just updating that, trinque. -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt [19:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? [19:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe ) [19:51]
danielpbarron i added tftp instructions [19:51]
mircea_popescu better than turning them into congresswhomen [19:51]
trinque danielpbarron: thanks! [19:51]
trinque I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too [19:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either. [19:52]
danielpbarron as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection [19:54]
trinque danielpbarron: https url to enable ssh doesn't work [19:55]
danielpbarron on what? [19:55]
danielpbarron my site? [19:55]
trinque when replaced with http it farts out html saying use https [19:55]
trinque nah the pogo [19:55]
Chillum yay I got bitcoind running [19:56]
danielpbarron did you put your ip address in there? [19:56]
trinque heh yes I did [19:56]
trinque and got html back with http:// [19:56]
ben_vulpes Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0? [19:56]
Chillum is that not the latest version? [19:57]
danielpbarron what do you mean "doesn't work" ? trinque [19:57]
trinque danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via https [19:58]
trinque only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing [19:58]
trinque not 443 [19:59]
danielpbarron curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start"; [19:59]
danielpbarron you're doing this ? ^ [19:59]
trinque yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin [19:59]
mircea_popescu Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters. [19:59]
danielpbarron trinque, what does your pogo look like? [20:00]
trinque it's the pink logo one [20:00]
trinque I'll check the hardware rev [20:00]
danielpbarron it looks like this? -> http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/13/Pogoplug_Series_4_35099306_04_1_610x458.jpg [20:01]
trinque POGO-V4-A3-01 [20:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxH5SU ) [20:01]
trinque yup [20:01]
danielpbarron also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet [20:01]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075019 << have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? [20:01]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin [20:01]
Chillum mircea_popescu: what would you recommend? [20:02]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin foundation releases. [20:02]
mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/ < [20:02]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur ) [20:02]
trinque danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available? [20:03]
Chillum looks legit... [20:03]
danielpbarron trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate [20:03]
ben_vulpes Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste? [20:03]
danielpbarron i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something [20:04]
danielpbarron i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on [20:04]
Chillum I prefer all flash websites [20:04]
trinque hm, well hardware rev's in the logs [20:04]
Chillum (kidding) [20:04]
trinque I'll see what the software rev is on th inside [20:04]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075044 << this entire "explained income" bs is bs. [20:06]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income" [20:06]
mircea_popescu who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. [20:06]
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ben_vulpes in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. [20:06]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075058 << 19yo virgin angry at school because it could not possibly be his fault he's not getting any ? [20:07]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 20:13:48; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg [20:07]
trinque danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo [20:08]
trinque pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP [20:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit. [20:08]
trinque rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked [20:08]
danielpbarron lol [20:08]
trinque might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot" [20:08]
trinque :D [20:08]
trinque otherwise reboot it [20:08]
danielpbarron okie doke [20:08]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075064 << so far being on apple is such a blessing for nubsy [20:08]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go [20:08]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS [20:08]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM [20:09]
ben_vulpes !raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice [20:09]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you know they fucked ben affleck. [20:09]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I [20:09]
assbot The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxI6KI ) [20:09]
mircea_popescu i mean mutt damon [20:09]
ben_vulpes matt derpin [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4} [20:10]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075082 << confirmed. [20:11]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install. [20:11]
mircea_popescu jurov mixed ? [20:11]
jurov mixed up [20:11]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075089 << i've never used anything in the 7 branch or later. nor do i intend to ever do. [20:12]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link. [20:12]
jurov http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ vs http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/ [20:12]
assbot Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBb ) [20:12]
assbot Czech Ministry Fingers Heist Suspect | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBf ) [20:12]
jurov it's the same incident [20:12]
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trinque the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe [20:13]
mircea_popescu jurov oh it is ? send an update/errata/we wouldja [20:15]
jurov only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash [20:16]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075117 << the problem with automated escrow is that well... it doesn't actually work too well as a principle. you need a human in the loop, basically. [20:17]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org [20:17]
mircea_popescu kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill. [20:18]
BingoBoingo ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support. [20:20]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075157 << you can't mine w/o wallet. [20:20]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?) [20:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu except no girls ther ? [20:21]
mircea_popescu sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia. [20:21]
mircea_popescu they got all the right mental furniture for it. [20:21]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075218 << one is going to use pogo as god meant it, proxy for walleted bitcoind. [20:24]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do? [20:24]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza. [20:24]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075224 << even a stock bitcoind, hobbled to ONLY talk to your local pogo. [20:24]
assbot Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc [20:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it. [20:25]
mircea_popescu it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything. [20:25]
mircea_popescu even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris. [20:25]
BingoBoingo Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair [20:26]
mircea_popescu "so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!" [20:26]
mircea_popescu speaking of history : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/strategic/treaty_of_westphalia.html << westphalia likbez. [20:27]
assbot The Treaty of Westphalia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BuEov0 ) [20:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra? [20:30]
mircea_popescu doubt he's worth the attention. [20:30]
mircea_popescu maybe once he's arguing in court or somethign [20:31]
mircea_popescu (but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty" [20:31]
mircea_popescu who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.) [20:32]
asciilifeform asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? << the lulzy part was the bureaucrat, not whoring in the abstract [20:35]
asciilifeform i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on << afaik the backdoor works on all released pogov4 [20:36]
asciilifeform who the fuck explains their income ? in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes. [20:36]
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asciilifeform ... you can't mine w/o wallet << wallet doesn't need to be local [20:39]
asciilifeform (can be on separate machine) [20:39]
mircea_popescu kinda contorted but i guess [20:39]
asciilifeform ... westphalia likbez << even where i went to school it was taught, as a foundational gadget of the (pre-ww1) civilized world... [20:40]
mircea_popescu in a sense. [20:41]
asciilifeform (amerikan school! palmer & colton was the quick'n'dirty book, plus period sources) [20:41]
mircea_popescu (this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.) [20:42]
* asciilifeform went to a slightly odd school, not entirely representative of usa [20:42]
mircea_popescu you actually went to school there ? [20:42]
asciilifeform aha [20:43]
asciilifeform from 3rd grade up, even [20:43]
mircea_popescu ic [20:43]
asciilifeform (not secret) [20:43]
asciilifeform last 4 years was in a kind of quasi-public one where you get in by exam (these still exist) [20:43]
trinque I went to one of those [20:44]
trinque "magnet school" [20:44]
asciilifeform not mircea_popescuing gymnasium by any measure, but considerably less lame than the off the shelf fare [20:44]
mircea_popescu it doesn't sound all that bad. [20:44]
mircea_popescu "Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon [20:45]
mircea_popescu strations: [20:45]
mircea_popescu The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus. [20:45]
mircea_popescu John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door." [20:45]
asciilifeform theoretically qualified the kids for admission to eu unis [20:45]
* asciilifeform did not uses this [20:45]
asciilifeform *use [20:45]
* mircea_popescu approves of northwestern. [20:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bailey is infamous for an epic grudgewank centered around his book, 'the man who would be queen' [20:47]
asciilifeform a treatise on transsexualism [20:47]
mircea_popescu because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ? [20:47]
asciilifeform as for the fucksaw, it was, iirc, made from a genuine reciprocating saw! [20:47]
asciilifeform brilliant concept, cheap & effective. [20:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha how'd you know. [20:48]
asciilifeform a real ripper of a book, too [20:48]
mircea_popescu mywah. [20:48]
asciilifeform mega-recommended. [20:48]
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nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total [20:55]
asciilifeform ^ in total << before picked up ? [20:56]
asciilifeform or what, quit on his own ? [20:56]
nubbins` <+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses! [20:56]
asciilifeform and i'll add that the real 'explaining' happens after they take your money, all at once [20:57]
asciilifeform 'tell us why you should see this dough again?' [20:57]
asciilifeform 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' [20:57]
trinque got stock debian on my pogo [20:57]
trinque this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions [20:58]
asciilifeform trinque: tried turdel ? [20:58]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks [20:58]
trinque asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there? [20:58]
trinque and then add a uboot entry for it? [20:58]
asciilifeform trinque: if you replace whatever kernel you have now, on whatever kind of drive, with it - it will boot [20:58]
asciilifeform carries own rootfs [20:58]
trinque ah neat [20:58]
nubbins` <+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up. [20:58]
asciilifeform trinque: don't flash turdel into your nand [20:58]
asciilifeform it'll be difficult to replace it [20:59]
trinque k [20:59]
nubbins` as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade [20:59]
asciilifeform i didn't build mtd utils in there [20:59]
nubbins` which the government received, processed each year [20:59]
trinque asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry [20:59]
asciilifeform it's a turdel not a kernel for good reason [20:59]
asciilifeform (for one thing, source not posted yet) [20:59]
trinque heh [20:59]
asciilifeform deliberately self-contained. you don't need to add cmd params to it [20:59]
asciilifeform or have a root partition [20:59]
nubbins` trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup [21:00]
nubbins` for boot order [21:00]
nubbins` if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too [21:00]
asciilifeform ^ until we overwrite it [21:01]
nubbins` ^ [21:01]
trinque yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here [21:01]
asciilifeform the real battlefield build will write over the nand [21:01]
trinque as per http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html [21:01]
assbot Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) [21:01]
asciilifeform though theoretically we will be using only a tenth or so of the room [21:01]
nubbins` you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc? [21:01]
nubbins` trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following [21:02]
nubbins` right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present [21:02]
asciilifeform if screwing with uboot, leave at least 1sec in the boot delay timer [21:03]
trinque nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me [21:03]
asciilifeform saves much headache if you want to turn the knobs again from serial console because b0rk3d boot media [21:03]
mircea_popescu 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start. [21:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is not a prisoner [21:03]
asciilifeform in usgbankschwitz [21:03]
mircea_popescu "i [21:04]
mircea_popescu "i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that." [21:04]
* asciilifeform would also like an atomic zeppelin [21:05]
asciilifeform but not everyone can have. [21:05]
asciilifeform (cannot argue against it being a mighty fine thing!) [21:05]
mircea_popescu ;;google all we need is love [21:05]
gribble Ricki-Lee - All We Need Is Love - YouTube: ; All You Need Is Love - YouTube: ; Beatles - All You Need Is Love Lyrics | MetroLyrics: [21:05]
asciilifeform more to the point, 'yellow submarine' [21:06]
mircea_popescu im not sure we're all homo enough to live on the same submarine [21:06]
asciilifeform l0l true [21:07]
* asciilifeform recalls some 'dark future of hello kitty' (tm) novel with 'gay pill' [21:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125226 @ 0.00025811 = 32.3221 BTC [-] {2} [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45874 @ 0.00025191 = 11.5561 BTC [-] [21:09]
asciilifeform http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron [21:11]
assbot The Guardian issues clarification on Whisper privacy scandal that wasn't such a scandal after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0IRLT ) [21:11]
asciilifeform 'The fallout from The Guardian investigation, which started while the newspaper was exploring an editorial partnership with Whisper, was hugely disruptive for the California startup, drawing the scrutiny of the U.S. Senate and leading CEO Michael Heyward to suspend parts of its editorial team.' [21:11]
mircea_popescu so basically, scam got called out originally [21:15]
mircea_popescu but then they figured out that when it comes to newspaper content, they got no alternative [21:15]
mircea_popescu and so... [21:15]
asciilifeform -suspend parts of its editorial team-. [21:17]
asciilifeform the honest men - now starve. [21:17]
asciilifeform (or wait tables, if lucky) [21:17]
asciilifeform the pliant muppets - fat, fatter. [21:17]
mircea_popescu they went to bat for the wrong ceo. [21:18]
asciilifeform where does the 'right ceo' live, l0l [21:18]
mircea_popescu in any case, gotta admire how narrowly the chumpatron works. [21:18]
mircea_popescu how does this thing advertise itself in wikipedia ? (and yes, that's what wikipedia is, usg-pravda) [21:18]
mircea_popescu Whisper has become popular on college campuses,[7] with usership at several large universities throughout the United States, including Pennsylvania State University, Arizona State University, University of Florida, Ohio State University, and University of Texas at Austin. [21:18]
asciilifeform pediwikia [21:19]
mircea_popescu because totally. it worked for facebook, right ? [21:19]
asciilifeform elementary honeypot [21:19]
mircea_popescu college campuses! we got them! that's the criteria! [21:19]
mircea_popescu "but maybe you deliberately are claiming this because you think it's the criteria ?" [21:19]
mircea_popescu *blank stare* [21:19]
asciilifeform buffett's algorithm - or ask any insect exterminator - zap'em young. [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137688 @ 0.00025091 = 34.5473 BTC [-] {3} [21:24]
Chillum advertising on Wikipedia?? unheard of! [21:26]
thestringpuller ^- that brings some vivid imagery. [21:28]
Chillum point me to the spammer and I will block them! [21:28]
thestringpuller VC's are like the new crack dealers. [21:29]
thestringpuller These kids get addicted to their crack-money, and then depend on it. Next thing you know you're coinbase or reddit begging for 500mn. [21:30]
thestringpuller Sucking the USG dick. [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78346 @ 0.00024852 = 19.4705 BTC [-] [21:30]
thestringpuller https://medium.com/backchannel/inside-the-deep-web-drug-lab-9718cd0fe504 [21:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0002569 = 9.2484 BTC [+] [21:33]
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trinque pogo's not a bad little device, surely not for the price [21:34]
trinque asciilifeform: where does turdel expect to find storage? [21:36]
trinque for the blockchain [21:36]
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nubbins` turdel expects nothing yet [21:36]
trinque I'll wait on that then, until my usb serial thing comes [21:36]
nubbins` hey, your choice. the more eyes the better [21:37]
nubbins` worth figuring out the tftp setup, flasing the pogo, etc [21:37]
trinque thought was that having that would help me test [21:37]
trinque I can be useful without? [21:37]
trinque does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole? [21:38]
trinque I figure otherwise if it gets stuck somewhere my best feedback is going to be "eh well, didn't go?" [21:39]
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nubbins` well, you got through the qnology post, right? [21:39]
nubbins` http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html [21:39]
assbot Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) [21:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70526 @ 0.00024764 = 17.4651 BTC [-] {2} [21:39]
nubbins` debian up and running on it? [21:39]
trinque yeah [21:39]
nubbins` ok, how 'bout tftp [21:39]
decimation re: us 'college' http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bernie-sanders-2016-loan-fraud/2015/03/27/id/634817/ < " The wife of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist who is aligned with the Democrat Party, may have committed loan fraud and almost drove a small college into financial ruin, according to a report." [21:40]
assbot Report: Did Bernie Sanders' Wife Commit Loan Fraud? [21:40]
nubbins` most sane package managers should have a tftpd that you can install on your local machine [21:40]
trinque yeah I understand tftp [21:40]
trinque what are you guys using to watch it boot if not netconsole or the usb serial thing? [21:40]
trinque or are you just waiting for it to come up, then telnet-ing in? [21:41]
nubbins` so you interrupt the boot sequence w/ nc [21:41]
nubbins` then tftp the turdel blob over [21:41]
trinque ah this is in dpb's writeup [21:41]
nubbins` the first thing you have to do is update the boot sequence on your pogo [21:41]
nubbins` http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html [21:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlzzZr ) [21:42]
nubbins` start with the fw_setenv bits down bottom [21:42]
trinque k [21:42]
nubbins` "tftp server ip" is your desktop [21:42]
nubbins` wait, hold on now [21:42]
nubbins` i fucked this up last time. [21:42]
nubbins` fw_setenv "bootcmd='run boot_tftp'" <<< this needs to be modified [21:42]
nubbins` change that to: [21:42]
nubbins` /tmp/fw_setenv bootcmd 'run boot_tftp; run bootcmd_mmc; run bootcmd_usb; run bootcmd_sata; run bootcmd_pogo; reset' [21:43]
nubbins` that way if tftp boot fails, you're not bricked [21:43]
trinque cool [21:44]
nubbins` right. so once you get that done, you start up netcat on your desktop [21:44]
nubbins` $ nc -lu 6666 & [21:44]
trinque sweet, uboot does it [21:44]
trinque that's what I was wondering, whether I'd be blind during boot [21:44]
nubbins` $ nc -u 6666 [21:45]
nubbins` then just power cycle the pogo and watch the show [21:45]
nubbins` you'll see the 10-second countdown, hit enter [21:45]
nubbins` then Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet [21:46]
nubbins` Pogov4> bootm 0x800000 [21:46]
nubbins` at which point it immediately boots into the turdel, give it a bit, then telnet into it [21:46]
nubbins` when you're done, killall nc [21:46]
nubbins` http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,14,14 [21:47]
assbot Use netconsole to troubleshoot uBoot without a serial cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAqsY ) [21:47]
nubbins` if you manage to telnet into the turdel, pastebin some shit to prove it :D [21:48]
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nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn [21:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAHfA ) [21:48]
decimation http://www.computerworld.com/article/2902310/toshiba-announces-industrys-densest-3d-flash-memory.html < " With the 3D NAND chips, which started shipping Thursday, solid-state drives (SSDs) with more than 10TB of storage are just around the corner, according to Brian Shirley, vice president of memory and technology solutions at Micron. " [21:49]
assbot Toshiba announces industry's densest 3D flash memory | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK6uo0 ) [21:49]
decimation good thing, given the size of the blockchain [21:49]
mircea_popescu Chillum point me to the spammer and I will block them! << the whole thing exists principally as an advertising venue for a certain set of nonsense. [21:49]
mircea_popescu such as... whisper. [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105070 @ 0.00024754 = 26.009 BTC [-] [21:49]
* mircea_popescu meanwhile looked at hostmask. [21:49]
Chillum as a wikipedia admin I agree there is a lot of spam, though that is not the reason for its existence [21:50]
mircea_popescu well, take this with a grain of salt, so it may add digestion [21:50]
mircea_popescu but : the thinking here is that google putting wikipedia at top of search results is neither algorithmic nor coincidental. [21:50]
Chillum It is because we are linked so much [21:51]
mircea_popescu while it doesn't amount to conspiracy, it factually functions as one. flows driectly from confirnation bias. [21:51]
mircea_popescu mno, google doesn't either follow links or care about the results since years ago. [21:51]
Chillum Not sure what you mean by whisper [21:52]
mircea_popescu the certain (worthless) app was being discussed earlier re the guardian piece [21:52]
Chillum oh, well that article is a pile of crap. [21:52]
mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075528 [21:52]
assbot Logged on 28-03-2015 00:06:57; asciilifeform: http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron [21:52]
mircea_popescu specifically ? [21:53]
Chillum but Wikipedia is barely aware of its existence [21:53]
decimation Chillum: I once tried to edit a climate-change related article on wikipedia, my changes were immediate reverted by william connolley [21:53]
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Chillum well that is a controversial article [21:53]
Chillum you would need to participate in the debate on the talk page [21:53]
mircea_popescu Chillum mind that what i said was, "in the article whisper made on wikipedia to advertise itself, which is what wikipedia is principally used for, they depict themselves as so and so, because that's what they perceive is aspiration-able" [21:53]
Chillum we discourage people from writing about themselves [21:54]
Chillum pretty hard to stop though [21:54]
mircea_popescu right. [21:54]
Chillum right [21:54]
mircea_popescu impossible to stop. anything anyone wants to talk about is themselves. [21:54]
Chillum we can't stop nuts from showing up all day with crazy theories either [21:54]
mircea_popescu but the fact that it has to be stopped in the first place says something. [21:54]
mircea_popescu haha showing up where ? [21:55]
Chillum on Wikipedia [21:55]
decimation wikipedia is the ultimate do-achracy [21:55]
decimation nobodies can camp all day on an article and 'win' if they revert/revise quickly enough [21:56]
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trinque nubbins`: helps if you disable your firewall on local machine [21:57]
trinque :D [21:57]
nubbins` heh. [21:57]
mircea_popescu lol [21:57]
mircea_popescu he's from apple. wut firewall ? [21:58]
trinque mircea_popescu: they've got a nice pretend one with a fence icon, I'm sure [21:58]
mircea_popescu is it white ? [21:58]
mircea_popescu does it have a really short cable ? [21:58]
* trinque misses the reference [21:59]
mircea_popescu for a while i-somethings came with very short power cables, you could pay 20 bux or something for a human sized one. [21:59]
mircea_popescu because their primary market was w/e, rabbits or something. [21:59]
trinque oh, indeed [21:59]
trinque now only one cable, probably still short [22:00]
* trinque boots a turdel [22:00]
mircea_popescu i never said this before, because i didn't want to jinx it, but [22:00]
mircea_popescu i am fucking shocked they've not yet made square section cables [22:00]
mircea_popescu strikes me as exactly the sort of apple-esque innovationitivity. [22:00]
Chillum 3d flash memory looks pretty awesome [22:00]
* Chillum drools at 10tb solid state drive [22:00]
mircea_popescu o wow, you actually churning that much data ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot Chillum [22:03]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/Chillum | http://w.b-a.link/user/Chillum [22:03]
jurov when square cables twist(inevitably), it is very visible and it looks bad [22:03]
mircea_popescu jurov so make them out of dried panda tears so they don't twist. [22:03]
Chillum movies, tv, music [22:03]
mircea_popescu !rate Chillum 1 wikipedia [22:04]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d153043aa0511b3b [22:04]
Chillum (all legally bought of course" [22:04]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Chillum.1:fe02b9a13c2f6575aa1d01aa90703ea5ff5fdf144a166dc8d1aac9869a5e8361 [22:04]
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Chillum thanks [22:04]
mircea_popescu Chillum i have a coupla tb of movies girls prepped for me that i keep meaning to sometime see [22:05]
mircea_popescu must have been there since 2012ish [22:05]
jurov how much can 10tb of legal content cost? dat's like, 200 blurays [22:05]
jurov *legally purchased copyrasted content [22:06]
mircea_popescu i thought bluray was like 30gb [22:06]
jurov 300 then. better yet. [22:06]
mircea_popescu In January 2007, Hitachi showcased a 100 GB Blu-ray Disc, consisting of four layers containing 25 GB each. [22:07]
mircea_popescu nm. [22:07]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> he's from apple. wut firewall ? <<< o.O the same firewall that obsd uses, smarty [22:07]
mircea_popescu right. [22:07]
* nubbins` shrugs, points to evidence [22:08]
* mircea_popescu ignores evidence, eats the points. [22:08]
nubbins` hey! [22:09]
decimation pfsense, yes, another apple thing shamelessly ripped by apple [22:09]
decimation err, bsd thing [22:09]
nubbins` not pfsense but PF [22:09]
decimation aye, pfsense is the distro right? [22:10]
nubbins` (what else'd you expect a BSD mutant to use?) [22:10]
decimation what bsd used before pf [22:10]
trinque nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/25ESNNY [22:11]
assbot dpaste: 25ESNNY: pogo turdel_with_telnet.gz, by trinque ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKa81b ) [22:12]
decimation ipfw to be specific [22:12]
mircea_popescu you know there's going to be children named turdel because of you people. [22:12]
danielpbarron pfsense is a freebsd user-friendlier interface for OpenBSD's PF [22:12]
trinque asciilifeform: turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here [22:12]
decimation apple didn't move to pf until 10.7 [22:12]
nubbins` trinque haha wd, another one in the club [22:13]
nubbins` decimation +1. they used fbsd firewall before that [22:13]
mircea_popescu "before turning off the obsd firewall, apple used to turn off the fbsd firewall" [22:13]
decimation none of which was prominently displayed on their marketing or specs [22:13]
nubbins` well, y'know. they also don't advertise that it comes with tftp [22:14]
mircea_popescu decimation dude why the hate, they were just taking from those hacker kids and giving back to the business community! [22:14]
decimation one of the reasons why I won quote-of-the-year last year :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 [22:14]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKayV6 ) [22:14]
nubbins` or the thousand other BSD userland utils. [22:14]
mircea_popescu the clown cars still cracks me up [22:15]
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decimation it's true, because you are on bsd but you never know what is behind the bulkhead [22:15]
decimation although I would say that the folks at macports do a pretty good job of porting sane unix to osx [22:16]
trinque brew = you're gonna have a bad time [22:16]
trinque written with the rubyfuck whimsy that prioritizes cute names over clarity [22:17]
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nubbins` pouring bottle! [22:17]
trinque tapping keg! (winks at camera) [22:17]
nubbins` heh. [22:17]
nubbins` brew aint so bad [22:17]
decimation yeah I tried brew once, after about 15 minutes I ditched that shit [22:17]
trinque that guy "why" was a good fly zapper [22:17]
nubbins` maybe i'll do up a keg for 0.5.3.1 ;p [22:18]
trinque nubbins`: dunno, I could have laid into 'er too hard, but I've had to nuke my brew install > two hands amount of times [22:18]
nubbins` i nuked mine 3-4 times before i even started to understand wtf i was doing [22:19]
trinque probably makes more sense after you map the whimsy to useful symbols [22:19]
nubbins` just think of it as apt-get with weird terminology [22:19]
trinque it has a use-flags-esque thing [22:20]
trinque I like that. [22:20]
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mircea_popescu very vaguely lulzi wikipedia drama : apparently they have some sort of "did you know that..." advertising shtick. [22:40]
mircea_popescu one of the items in there was at some point that after [[Melina Perez|Melina]] ''(pictured)'' stripped [[Torrie Wilson]] in a bra & panties match at '''[[The Great American Bash (2005)]]''', referee [[Candice Michelle]] stripped Melina and herself as well? [22:40]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what this is, except iirc godaddy had a candice michelle doing some random sluttery in their bangbros inspired style. [22:40]
decimation lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/indiana-law-denounced-as-invitation-to-discriminate-against-gays.html?_r=0 < this article could have been in krokodil [22:41]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee04lY ) [22:41]
mircea_popescu however! an admin (bedford) launched in a very... naggumesque, so to say rant, on some blog or something. myspace profile ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu and as a result, mega huge shitfest, because how can he say things like feminazi and pms [22:41]
mircea_popescu "Bedford, if you really wrote that, I ask you to resign your adminship. I have no opinion right now if such a request is legitimate based on policy, or precedent. I only know you've lost my faith in your ability to act in a reasonable and impartial manner. And if you didn't write it, you need to find out who is impersonating you on myspace, because they're making you look really, really, really bad." [22:41]
mircea_popescu and soon enough jimbo himself [22:41]
decimation lol [22:42]
mircea_popescu *I have desysopped him. This is not even a close call. He's so far over the line of the conduct - both onsite and offsite - that I expect from admins that nothing short of a full and complete apology for his behavior and a retraction of his comments will do. Additionally, he will have to stand for re-election if he dares. As for me, I would never vote for someone with this kind of behavior in his history." [22:42]
mircea_popescu this is VERY amusing, seeing how child porn is in jimbo's history. [22:42]
decimation note the meanings of the words "reasonable" and "impartial" [22:42]
mircea_popescu right ? [22:42]
decimation "say what the fuck we want you to say when we want you to say it" [22:42]
mircea_popescu somehow factual unpleasantness does not belong in the soi dissant encyclopedia. [22:42]
Chillum what this place has more gossip than my mom's bridge games [22:42]
mircea_popescu you have no idea! [22:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, i declare myself suitably amused. [22:43]
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decimation "Marc Benioff, the chief executive of Salesforce.com, a technology company with a major presence in Indiana, announced that he would cancel all company events in the state." [22:44]
decimation "Jeremy Stoppelman, the founder of Yelp, which publishes online reviews of businesses, issued a warning to states like Indiana that “it is unconscionable to imagine that Yelp would create, maintain, or expand a significant business presence in any state that encouraged discrimination.”" [22:44]
decimation ideally Indiana will hold the line and become silicon valley free [22:44]
mircea_popescu oh, and, from the previous source, [22:44]
mircea_popescu "This type of combativeness and unseemly behavior is nothing new from Bedford. I suggest a request for user conduct be filed. I am also declining to post this from my account: I am a person of color who edits under my real name, lives close to Bedford and fears harassment or violence. I do not enjoy playing this card, but I grew up in the South and have good reason to fear Confederates and their ilk. 202.155.167.221 (t [22:44]
mircea_popescu alk) 01:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)" [22:44]
mircea_popescu so im guessing they de-op indiana now ? [22:44]
decimation exactly [22:44]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/pem5j [22:45]
assbot Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee0JE2 ) [22:45]
decimation "Gen Con, a convention for game enthusiasts that draws nearly 60,000 people a year to Indianapolis, threatened to relocate its event out of state." [22:45]
mircea_popescu interestingly enough, yelp's failure to matter in indiana is ascribed as a fault of indiana. [22:45]
decimation heh yeah [22:45]
decimation as if any of these fuckheads would voluntarily step foot in a non-maritime state [22:45]
mircea_popescu nubbins` notbad.jpg. cazalla awake ? [22:46]
asciilifeform trinque: where does turdel expect to find storage << nowhere. you can manually mount sd and usb. (sata not yet working) [22:46]
mircea_popescu decimation what did indiana do ? [22:46]
cazalla mircea_popescu, about to step away in a few mins, what's up [22:46]
mircea_popescu other than being named badly, like that baseball team or w/e. [22:46]
mircea_popescu cazalla nubbins` link above. border cracked entropy gen. [22:46]
asciilifeform does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole << nope [22:47]
decimation "An Indiana law that could make it easier for religious conservatives to refuse service to gay couples touched off storms of protest on Friday from the worlds of arts, business and college athletics and opened an emotional new debate in the emerging campaign for president." [22:47]
asciilifeform trinque: but you can telnet to it! [22:47]
nubbins` if only it was USER AUDITABLE. [22:47]
asciilifeform (once it boots) [22:47]
nubbins` asciilifeform <+nubbins`> http://imgur.com/a/pem5j [22:47]
assbot Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1eOk ) [22:47]
decimation that's all the detail nyt gives on the matter before proceding on a krokodil-esque rant [22:47]
mircea_popescu decimation hopefully they rename it to obamana [22:47]
decimation heh [22:47]
mircea_popescu there is precedenstalingrad! [22:47]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i'll take a look soon [22:48]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ... tftpd that you can install on your local machine << try 'atftp' under gentoo [22:48]
asciilifeform then tftp the turdel blob over << not the correct way to use tftp. you leave the demon going, pointed at your build image [22:48]
asciilifeform then fully automatic [22:48]
nubbins` cazalla call the customs agents "notorious" if you can, they seized an ounce of salvia off me once [22:48]
mircea_popescu decimation "an indiana law that could" is apparently the politburo approved reference. [22:49]
nubbins` asciilifeform oh hey you're right, lel. [22:49]
mircea_popescu apparently these oh-so-edumancated kids forgot how to cite laws. [22:49]
nubbins` do i even posix-compliant os? ;p [22:49]
nubbins` asciilifeform i was mixing the fw_setenv and the one-off directions ;/ [22:50]
mircea_popescu https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568 << there it is, anyway. [22:50]
decimation http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/text-indianas-religious-freedom-law/70539772/ [22:50]
assbot Here it is: The text of Indiana's ‘religious freedom’ law ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1KvW ) [22:50]
decimation "Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; [22:50]
decimation and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest." [22:50]
decimation damn I can feel the hate that drips from that text [22:50]
asciilifeform 10tb solid state drive << flash still disposable. [22:51]
mircea_popescu especially as it provides injunctive and declaratory relief + damages. [22:51]
asciilifeform don't believe the lies of 'never dies.' [22:51]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, still dies, but that's alot of graveyard [22:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the general home use of "large ssd" is mostly that, drop some pirated films on it, watch them never. [22:51]
Chillum all hard drives die. At least solid state dies in a more predictable fashion with wear levelling [22:51]
mircea_popescu for this, fl;ash is uniquely adequate. [22:51]
asciilifeform 10tb of legal content << i have easily 10TB of -generated- contents, and none of it is film or audio [22:52]
Chillum asciilifeform: It is just hundreds of copies of the block chain [22:52]
decimation it's hilarious that a law that essentially says "congress shall make no law concerning religion" is the epitome of racisis [22:52]
Chillum most sensible countries limit government's effect on religion and religion's effect on government [22:53]
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decimation of course, especially in states where it's expressly forbidden [22:53]
asciilifeform ... turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here << congrats! [22:53]
asciilifeform not that i expect it to fail on any pogo. but it'sa pons asinorum [22:54]
mircea_popescu decimation i thought racis is when you beat up black dudes and chauvinist is when you beat up gay dudes. did they meanwhile merge to the shorter easier to pronounce one ? [22:54]
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decimation if the sv crowd is making a distinction it's news to me [22:55]
decimation from my corner of usia "chauvinist" implies "hate women" [22:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... child porn is in jimbo's history << wai wat? l0l! [22:56]
Chillum did he go to the wrong summer camp? [22:57]
mircea_popescu i thought it was being inflexible with self-actualisation delusions. be it gayness, being a dragon or anything else. if derp says he can shit moons and you point and laugh... a chauvinist is you. [22:57]
decimation ;;dict chauvinist [22:58]
gribble wn: chauvinist n 1: a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind 2: an extreme bellicose nationalist [syn: {chauvinist}, {jingoist}, {jingo}, {flag-waver}, {hundred-percenter}, {patrioteer}] [22:58]
decimation sure I'll buy it [22:58]
* Adlai drinks and ircs; is this some right of passage or wut [22:58]
Adlai asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of [22:59]
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decimation rainbow tables w/select salts :) [22:59]
danielpbarron i haven't had a drink in a while [22:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ancientstuff, before coming up with his current chumpatron he was doing the sort of thing bitpay guy is trying to bury [22:59]
Chillum asciilifeform: You have experience with those Cardanos? How do they output? Can they be hooked to a serial port? [22:59]
mircea_popescu he... makes them. [22:59]
Chillum nice [22:59]
mircea_popescu see s.nsa discussions [23:00]
decimation mr. lifeform is the designer and manufacturer of them - the use usb [23:00]
asciilifeform asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of << was, at one point. molecular dynamics crud. [23:00]
asciilifeform ... Can they be hooked to a serial port? << if you are thinking of the rng discussed in last week's thread (a component of cardano, not yet released machine) it is an analogue device with a ttl schmidt trigger out [23:01]
asciilifeform 0 to supply voltage. [23:02]
danielpbarron while on subject, what is the intended use case for the cardano? and by that I guess i mean, is it supposed to be used with MPEx? or more like a perfect forward secrecy thing? or can it be both? [23:02]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: it is intended for pretty much anything -but- mpex [23:02]
asciilifeform (unless you're stupendously loaded and don't mind shelling out 30 btc if you ever pull 'zap' trigger) [23:02]
Chillum I have no need, but once I own one I know a need will present itself [23:02]
Chillum 30btc? [23:03]
decimation price of a seat on mpex [23:03]
Chillum ah [23:03]
asciilifeform 'Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents' << entirely unsurprising. 'how're we to know that it isn't full of crystal meth?!1111' [23:07]
jurov tbh, "mycelium" "entropy" souds like some suspicious chemical [23:08]
asciilifeform in the end, products like this will have to ship either 1) by charter courier and/or 2) with tamper-sensitive omnidirectional video/audio/gps/inertial nav recorder [23:09]
asciilifeform (2) will be a cherished item, costly and mailed back'n'forth by typical owner and vendors [23:09]
jurov (3) by pigeons [23:10]
asciilifeform (i discussed several possible designs in past threads. basic principle is that a private key is destroyed upon the first sign of handling, and a secondary spare key signs every subsequent frame of recording. frames prior to this can be believed with some confidence if device arrives) [23:10]
asciilifeform jurov: or mechanical 'pigeon' [23:11]
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decimation apparently usg courts have ruled that 'exit' searches are legal [23:11]
jurov mechanical pigeons have radar signature, susceptible to gps jamming and whatnot [23:12]
Chillum regulars pigeons have radar signatures too [23:12]
asciilifeform jurov: you'd be surprised at the minimal radar cross section necessary to get anyone's attention [23:12]
asciilifeform nobody sits and audits eagles. [23:12]
mircea_popescu lol asciilifeform could write a tv show [23:12]
mircea_popescu SF Bitcoin! [23:12]
mircea_popescu jurov it does, at that. [23:12]
asciilifeform 'the way to predict the future is to invent it' (TM) [23:12]
decimation yeah civilian radar is designed to work with transponders [23:12]
decimation not non-cooperative targets [23:13]
Chillum some airports have bird radar, so don't fly around those [23:13]
asciilifeform let them begin to audit eagles. [23:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, i posit your 2) is rank nonsense. you can either not care what happens to the package, or own the infrastructure. [23:13]
asciilifeform 'heighten the contradictions', bankrupt the idiots [23:13]
mircea_popescu this case where you care and make the package enforce your law against the natives is nonsense. [23:13]
decimation maybe eagles should be subject to border search too [23:13]
Chillum F-15E Strike Eagle vs normal eagle [23:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: again with your habituation to the atomic dirigible [23:13]
mircea_popescu even if you're visiting the stone age from 2500 ad. [23:13]
mircea_popescu they'll find a way to crack your steel drum open with dinosaur bones. [23:14]
asciilifeform let'em spend money searching for way to crack drum and not show up on youtube. [23:14]
mircea_popescu on what youtube dood. their youtube ? [23:14]
asciilifeform the headsoff youtube [23:14]
asciilifeform if necessary [23:14]
mircea_popescu anyway : you may be right re dirigibles, maybe. but i posit it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with fucking. [23:15]
asciilifeform purpose is as much to drive the enemy mad faster, as to preserve any cargo [23:15]
asciilifeform 'harassment weapon' [23:15]
mircea_popescu specifically, when one is looking to get laid, the correct strategy is to keep looking until one runs into a similarly minded bit of tail [23:15]
mircea_popescu NOT to try and devise a magical wand that makes arbitrary bits o' tail similarly minded. [23:15]
mircea_popescu well maybe like that. thos ounds pretty golden-toilety. [23:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: golden-toilety << not necessarily [23:16]
asciilifeform ultimately doesn't need to be any more complicated than a typical 'pNohe' [23:16]
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asciilifeform not proposing to craft this personally, mind you [23:16]
asciilifeform but putting the idea out. [23:16]
asciilifeform for archaeologists. [23:16]
mircea_popescu lol k. [23:16]
mircea_popescu undata is strictly gay for spacestation hikes and alf is putting out for archeologists. [23:17]
asciilifeform let'em pass bans against 'recording servant of the king' [23:17]
asciilifeform and then try to prove that the toaster you sent does so [23:17]
mircea_popescu notgonna bother proving. [23:17]
asciilifeform because it has a somewhat glossy pinhole [23:17]
mircea_popescu also, by the time things are in that rut, cheaper to bribe agents than to fight the tech war. [23:17]
decimation asciilifeform: they already have many such bans [23:17]
decimation 'two-party consent' [23:17]
decimation actually it would be amusing for a robber to sue you for recording him without permission [23:18]
asciilifeform probably happened [23:18]
decimation or more precisely, the state to charge you [23:19]
mircea_popescu i know of case robber suing because he hurt himself falling through hole in roof he made [23:19]
Chillum I don't think you have an expectation of privacy while robbing [23:19]
decimation Chillum: that's now how the wiretap law is worded [23:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more than one case in usa [23:19]
mircea_popescu but, france [23:19]
asciilifeform one even including a power saw [23:19]
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asciilifeform that burglar decided to play with [23:19]
asciilifeform for no particular reason, in some schmuck's garage [23:19]
Chillum anyone can sue for any reason, the question is how successful were they? [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00026369 = 28.2676 BTC [+] {3} [23:21]
mircea_popescu you gotta hire a laywer right ? [23:21]
mircea_popescu so that successful. [23:21]
Chillum that is not a high... bar [23:21]
decimation anytime lawyers are involved everyone except lawyers loses [23:21]
Chillum to hire a lawyer you need money and... just money [23:22]
mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/06/09/yes-jimmy-wales-there-is-a-right-to-be-forgotten/ << pando throwing a shitfit. "how dares anyone say i am what my history rather than my narrative!11" [23:22]
assbot Yes, Jimmy Wales, There Is a Right To Be Forgotten | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxX57w ) [23:22]
mircea_popescu Chillum maybe. this is not exactly so, much like to get a plumber is not just a matter of money. [23:22]
Chillum right to be forgotten? [23:22]
mircea_popescu depends where you live, how famous you are etc. [23:22]
mircea_popescu Chillum idiotic eu concept. let's make up rights maybe people vote for us. [23:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the thread where i posited that being a kiddie diddler is a prime grade qualification for becoming a usg stooge (on account of having a ready jail string to be pulled by) ? [23:23]
Chillum there are lawyers with standards and there are lawyers who will take any paid job [23:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't say ?! [23:23]
asciilifeform probably a higher qualification than having attended harvaprinceyalebridge [23:23]
Adlai what's a kiddie diddler? [23:23]
Adlai as in 'hacker'? [23:23]
mircea_popescu probably somehow who rearranges kids [23:23]
mircea_popescu with his cock [23:23]
Adlai like the young master s [23:23]
Chillum blackmail and covert ops have gone hand in hand historically [23:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform subreason i linked that is, check out jimbo mouthpiece for google. ALSO not algorithmic, exactly. [23:24]
Chillum but there are agents and there are assets [23:24]
asciilifeform who is surprised. [23:24]
Chillum being an agent is having a job, being an asset is being property [23:24]
asciilifeform agent is the fella who recruits assets. [23:25]
asciilifeform this is known to schoolchildren [23:25]
asciilifeform although i suppose in different cultures there might be other names [23:26]
mircea_popescu Chillum hey, how did you end up in here ? [23:26]
Chillum nubbins` said the converstation was better here [23:26]
* nubbins` shrugs helplessly [23:26]
nubbins` was i right? [23:26]
Chillum oh ya, meeting of the minds [23:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg. [23:27]
mircea_popescu ok... [23:28]
asciilifeform let's suppose we are satisfied with a leisurely 100km/hr transit. [23:28]
decimation lol [23:28]
asciilifeform 84 hr. voyage [23:28]
mircea_popescu what flies 100km/hr ? either 16 or 600. [23:28]
asciilifeform out of my arse i pull a 250 watt engine. [23:28]
asciilifeform ;;calc 84*250/400 [23:28]
gribble 52.5 [23:28]
asciilifeform kg of LiMnO2 cell [23:29]
Chillum regarding pigeons: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 [23:29]
assbot RFC 2549 - IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxY2gf ) [23:29]
asciilifeform did i miss anything ? [23:29]
mircea_popescu Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater. [23:29]
asciilifeform (payload, naturally; wings; extra) [23:29]
decimation asciilifeform: that's not a small pigeon [23:29]
Chillum diversity is the key to assholery [23:29]
asciilifeform but not a 'boeing' either [23:29]
asciilifeform or even a 'cessna' [23:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform electric batteries are a joke. [23:29]
asciilifeform more like an andean condor. [23:29]
decimation well, it's probably close to a cessna [23:29]
mircea_popescu gasoline is this 1.5mw battery. [23:29]
decimation yeah why batteries [23:29]
asciilifeform burning gasoline gives off heat signature [23:29]
asciilifeform and noise [23:29]
mircea_popescu are you building a flying submarine ? [23:30]
asciilifeform electric - no louder than a drill [23:30]
Chillum RFC 2549 is my favourite RFC [23:30]
mircea_popescu this is what i get for not letting him build pogo cnc [23:30]
decimation make it a turboprop and you can fly up to predator altitutde [23:30]
mircea_popescu now he wants to build a dynamo submarine [23:30]
decimation less air resistance, too far to hear [23:30]
mircea_popescu one day this guy is going to make us sorry we mocked yekudsky [23:30]
mircea_popescu or w/e harry potter fanfic guy's name is [23:30]
asciilifeform anyway, placed here for the enjoyment of the gentlemen t3rr0r1st3z [23:31]
mircea_popescu pop quiz : do terrorists also prefer blondes ? [23:31]
Chillum if you want to stay in the air a long time go for a lighter than air drone [23:31]
asciilifeform Chillum: gigantic radar cross section [23:31]
jurov 50kg battery means 5m3 helium blimp [23:31]
asciilifeform Chillum: the most effectual lift gas, H2, is about 1g/litre [23:31]
asciilifeform calculate necessary envelope of gas! [23:31]
asciilifeform for anything worthwhile as payload [23:31]
asciilifeform and power source. [23:32]
asciilifeform you get a 'goodyear blimp' [23:32]
asciilifeform try hiding that as a 'bird.' [23:32]
Chillum I suppose if you made an aluminum skin like the hindinburg [23:32]
decimation asciilifeform: solar powered aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse#Solar_Impulse_2_.28HB-SIB.29 [23:32]
assbot Solar Impulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1wEp5 ) [23:32]
asciilifeform ^ yes, famouse [23:32]
asciilifeform there is one quite like it hanging in a museum here. [23:32]
mircea_popescu actually what i'd really like to see would be a truely flying microfibre machine. [23:32]
decimation aye [23:32]
asciilifeform again, huge cross-section [23:32]
mircea_popescu think 100sqft of "plastic foil" [23:32]
decimation they are flying around the world with the new model [23:32]
mircea_popescu that actually flies, sorta like a manta [23:32]
Chillum just get some radar, go into the desert and figure out what can hold hydrogen but does not absorb or reflect radar [23:33]
decimation 236ft wingspan [23:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i designed, on paper, such a thing. ionic lift. [23:33]
Chillum hydrogen itself will be more transparent than air [23:33]
mircea_popescu tiny microprocessor/sensors to graps its situation [23:33]
asciilifeform needs power source about 100x denser than LiMnO2 [23:33]
decimation " 4 × electric motors powered from solar cells and 4 x 41 kWh lithium-ion batteries (633 kg), providing 13 kW[19], electric motors (17.4 HP) each" [23:33]
asciilifeform ;;google ion lifter [23:33]
gribble Ionocraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; LIfter/Ion Craft, Biefeld Brown Effect, Part 4 - YouTube: ; How Ion Propulsion, Lifters and Ionocrafts Work - YouTube: [23:33]
mircea_popescu and contraction somehow to make it move. [23:33]
mircea_popescu that'd be a kickass robot. [23:33]
Chillum high voltage on those ion lifters [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not straight up like that. a flexible foil that exploits atmospheric randomness [23:34]
mircea_popescu ie, slides according to heat layers. [23:34]
decimation ;;calc (52.5/633)*236 [23:34]
gribble 19.5734597156 [23:34]
Chillum keep in mind that in addition to radar they are looking for signal emissions [23:34]
decimation ^ 19ft wingspan for your 52 kg batteries [23:34]
decimation cessna [23:34]
Chillum an ion lifter would stick out like a sore thumb [23:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: heat layers << as birds do ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu yes but imagine a superthin bird. [23:34]
mircea_popescu "like plastic bag in ocean" more apt. [23:34]
Chillum you could always just fly between mountains [23:35]
mircea_popescu a plastic bag never reaches the bottom, it is ground into mush before. [23:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one of my intended applications for waveguide motor was to make ornithopter transition from joke to practical [23:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you could make the waveguide very flat and tiny [23:35]
mircea_popescu it would prolly work for this application [23:35]
asciilifeform arbitrarily thin [23:35]
asciilifeform any conductor can be it. [23:35]
mircea_popescu tho electrostatic may be better [23:35]
Chillum an ornithopter would work fine on Titan [23:35]
Chillum or in the fictional Mars/Barsoom [23:35]
Chillum (not the real Mars though) [23:36]
jurov mircea_popescu: iirc there is medusa-like contraption that was considered most efficient way to keep heavier tha air machine afloat [23:36]
jurov can't find the link [23:36]
mircea_popescu i recall that. something in that vein, yes [23:36]
Chillum did anyone see the Ted talk where they had a hummerbird model flying? [23:36]
mircea_popescu the newer polymers hold a lot of promise for strength etc [23:36]
asciilifeform at any rate, we know precisely what machine ought to look, weigh, and function like. [23:36]
asciilifeform ordinary bird. [23:36]
Chillum humming bird size, flapping wings, a blur [23:36]
asciilifeform say, canada goose. [23:36]
Chillum you could put a neural control system on a real bird [23:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform really more like a manta that's an acre and goes in air. [23:37]
asciilifeform ^ no longer fits the 'not distinguishable from actual bird except at visual contact range' bill, does it. [23:38]
asciilifeform brb [23:38]
jurov if can be done transparent [23:38]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater. << this is prob more accurate [23:38]
jurov but it'd need to avoid rain at all costs, i guess [23:38]
Chillum there are plenty of weather balloons out there. They don't follow flight plans. A large balloon would not be too out of place [23:39]
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Chillum you can steer by changing altitude [23:39]
Chillum super low power [23:40]
decimation there's folks who make a hobby of locating radiosondes [23:40]
decimation http://www.blackcatsystems.com/software/radiosonde-decoder.html < one example [23:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxZPSp ) [23:41]
Chillum radio hacking is cool [23:42]
jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_citFkSNtk [23:42]
assbot Festo AirJelly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy02oP ) [23:42]
Chillum it is not that hard to setup a software defined radio to track the transponders of aircraft nearby [23:42]
decimation Chillum: yes the popular tool is the rtl 2832 chip on a usb connected to software that decodes mode-s transponder emissions [23:43]
Chillum On another topic I am trying to hack my router(without looking up how to, figuring it out is the fun part) [23:44]
Chillum I found references to a uart in the firmware [23:45]
Chillum hopefully I can pop busybox or something [23:45]
nubbins` check out openwrt if you get stuck [23:49]
Chillum that is cheating [23:52]
Chillum I want to hack the OS that is on it now [23:52]
Chillum get root access [23:52]
Chillum get doom running [23:52]
Chillum insecurity in routers is a real problem. Most homes have a router that can be hacked by anyone who connects over wifi. From there they can packet sniff [23:53]
Adlai cf http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html [23:57]
assbot Internet Census 2012 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1C7Mv ) [23:57]
Chillum I have found software from 2002 on my router [23:59]
Chillum DLINK likes to keep code a long time [23:59]
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  1. braindamage`s avatar
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    braindamage 
    Monday, 28 September 2020

    another bare one.

  2. Mircea Popescu`s avatar
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    Mircea Popescu 
    Monday, 28 September 2020

    Also a wayward <pre.

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