Forum logs for 27 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2} [00:00]
mike_c ;;calc .00006 / .000575 [00:00]
gribble 0.104347826087 [00:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3} [00:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7} [00:03]
mircea_popescu HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ? [00:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the ` is silly anyway [00:09]
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nubbins` YOU'RE SILLY [00:10]
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ThickAsThieves lol [00:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4} [00:16]
nubbins` p liked the shepherd's pie i made [00:16]
nubbins` "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said [00:17]
nubbins` she suggested i write a book [00:17]
mircea_popescu everyone likes fucking people who cook well [00:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3} [00:25]
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benkay "u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here." [00:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2} [00:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+] [00:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2} [00:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+] [00:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+] [00:46]
nubbins` mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho [00:47]
ThickAsThieves Official Neo Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5394823#msg5394823 [00:48]
mike_c hm. ok, i'll check it out [00:48]
nubbins` "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." [00:48]
ThickAsThieves some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there [00:49]
ThickAsThieves like half the pics really lol [00:49]
kakobrekla why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal [00:52]
ThickAsThieves to annoy i guess [00:53]
ThickAsThieves my question would be, why is there a merchant copy [00:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3} [00:53]
mike_c how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope? [00:54]
nubbins` record keeping! [00:54]
nubbins` OH WAIT [00:54]
ThickAsThieves rope has infinite hit points [00:54]
nubbins` but srs, paper trail [00:54]
ThickAsThieves so print a daily report? [00:54]
nubbins` same reason voting machines have printouts [00:54]
ThickAsThieves hourly? [00:54]
nubbins` (do they?) [00:54]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [00:54]
nubbins` i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada [00:54]
kakobrekla rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do [00:54]
ThickAsThieves voting isnt even standardized [00:55]
nubbins` voting in usa seems like a mess [00:55]
nubbins` by design [00:55]
nubbins` to enable fraud [00:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC [00:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3} [00:58]
ArsKisS http://bitcoinful.com/post/77908378925/hitler-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash [00:58]
kakobrekla yes i was afraid of that. [00:59]
kakobrekla when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash [00:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2} [01:00]
nubbins` when will my palm divorce my face [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005999 = 0.144 BTC [+] [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+] [01:01]
mircea_popescu "The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight." [01:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what / [01:01]
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mircea_popescu don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand [01:03]
mircea_popescu and failed at it. [01:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00598 = 2.99 BTC [-] [01:04]
ThickAsThieves hmm? [01:04]
mircea_popescu cypriots can not currently use euros to pay taxes ? [01:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC [01:05]
ThickAsThieves it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce [01:05]
ThickAsThieves ah the placement of only is what;s confusing [01:05]
mircea_popescu he means "to only use euros to pay" ? [01:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1322 @ 0.00055 = 0.7271 BTC [-] {2} [01:06]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_2Ofv1L9CU [01:06]
ozbot Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube [01:06]
ThickAsThieves thx [01:06]
nubbins` yes [01:06]
ThickAsThieves i'll get it fixt [01:06]
nubbins` to only use euros [01:06]
nubbins` s/only/solely [01:07]
nubbins` "...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions" [01:07]
mircea_popescu well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu "can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues" [01:08]
nubbins` yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions [01:08]
Vexual wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau [01:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+] [01:09]
kakobrekla in which hole? [01:09]
mircea_popescu !b 3 [01:09]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1663645/plain/) [01:09]
nubbins` glory [01:09]
mircea_popescu how long had you been saving that one k ? [01:10]
nubbins` he has it on trigger [01:10]
kakobrekla lol i didnt [01:10]
nubbins` okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about [01:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00599999 = 0.27 BTC [+] [01:11]
nubbins` mark is chronologically the first gospel [01:11]
nubbins` not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies. [01:11]
nubbins` they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says: [01:11]
nubbins` “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing. [01:12]
nubbins` AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK. [01:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} [01:12]
ThickAsThieves blasphemy! [01:12]
nubbins` centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections [01:12]
mircea_popescu not particularly novel this you know ? [01:13]
nubbins` so they tacked on an ending to it [01:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.061687 = 0.3701 BTC [+] {3} [01:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2} [01:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} [01:13]
nubbins` new to me ;) [01:13]
mircea_popescu kinda xtianity 101 in actual academia. [01:13]
nubbins` sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead [01:13]
Vexual anrthropology? [01:13]
mircea_popescu history of religion too. [01:14]
nubbins` vexual, math [01:14]
mircea_popescu there's about four different humanities paths that end up there [01:14]
ThickAsThieves anyone have thoughts on LASIK? [01:14]
ThickAsThieves will i go blind at 60? [01:15]
nubbins` anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here [01:15]
nubbins` (fwiw, math can be studied as either) [01:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i know some chicks that got it. [01:15]
Vexual lasers in the eye is never good tat [01:15]
ThickAsThieves never? [01:15]
nubbins` i have a few friends who tried lasik [01:15]
nubbins` they say they wish they'd done it years before [01:16]
ThickAsThieves my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it [01:16]
ThickAsThieves she's 20/15 now [01:16]
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nubbins` yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now [01:16]
mircea_popescu women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses. [01:16]
nubbins` http://heddalettuce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nana_mouskouri1.jpg [01:17]
ThickAsThieves meh [01:17]
ThickAsThieves hehe [01:17]
ThickAsThieves contacts work too [01:17]
mircea_popescu yeah but contacts are a bitch. [01:17]
ThickAsThieves but i dont wear thos eeither [01:17]
ThickAsThieves yep [01:17]
asciilifeform everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break? [01:17]
nubbins` bummer [01:17]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPRZ9S-qbI [01:18]
ozbot Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube [01:18]
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TomServo asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode? [01:24]
asciilifeform TomServo: maybe [01:24]
asciilifeform i distinctly recall reading it on paper though. [01:25]
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TomServo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA [01:26]
ozbot Time Enough at Last - YouTube [01:26]
TomServo Yeah, it really stuck with me. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywK1QVNuNU [01:28]
ozbot Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube [01:28]
mircea_popescu check it out, emma stone playing bitcoin. [01:28]
TomServo asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable [01:29]
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ThickAsThieves not available in my country [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+] [01:33]
wao-ender lol that show [01:33]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you gotta be kidding me [01:34]
TomServo no kidding [01:34]
ThickAsThieves http://screen.yahoo.com/emma-stone-monologue-nerds-love-000000328.html [01:34]
ozbot Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen [01:34]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438818270381355008 [01:34]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KLdTeXC4Kb Emma ... [01:34]
mircea_popescu im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter [01:35]
mircea_popescu and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything. [01:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2} [01:37]
wao-ender damnit [01:39]
wao-ender I just found great place to organise finest Bitcoin *meetup* https://www.facebook.com/352009638172552/photos/pb.352009638172552.-2207520000.1393457939./381744045199111/?type=3&theater [01:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599999 = 0.144 BTC [+] [01:40]
ThickAsThieves golf in Bratislava? [01:40]
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wao-ender well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group. [01:44]
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mircea_popescu the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers. [02:00]
mircea_popescu i hope i covered them all. [02:01]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ? [02:03]
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mircea_popescu i love belgrade [02:05]
mircea_popescu you ever been ? [02:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering? [02:06]
mircea_popescu surely. [02:06]
mircea_popescu the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is [02:06]
mircea_popescu and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007 [02:07]
mircea_popescu roads on average better than massachusetts anyway [02:07]
asciilifeform i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane [02:07]
asciilifeform (what's left of it) [02:07]
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mircea_popescu aha [02:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: obligatory on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jAmL-rfXU [02:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife. [02:09]
mircea_popescu kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka. [02:09]
mircea_popescu in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more. [02:09]
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mircea_popescu "if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health." [02:12]
mircea_popescu dude not everyone on twitter is retarded! [02:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599999 = 0.198 BTC [+] [02:14]
ThickAsThieves "Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm" [02:15]
mircea_popescu "please care about our shitty website" [02:15]
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asciilifeform re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine) [02:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform generally, all. [02:17]
mircea_popescu i used to do it for sport. [02:17]
asciilifeform drag americans to see real life? [02:17]
mircea_popescu possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me [02:18]
mircea_popescu "just these other schmucks" [02:18]
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asciilifeform lol [02:18]
asciilifeform imported mugger? or homegrown american [02:19]
mircea_popescu then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me [02:19]
mircea_popescu i have no idea, prolly local. [02:19]
mircea_popescu some random mutt [02:19]
ThickAsThieves "Sure. Just outlining that @twobitidiot is a friend of #bitcoin. His leak seems no more self-serving than @BTCFoundation" [02:19]
ThickAsThieves biglols! [02:19]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves they're new. [02:19]
ThickAsThieves ok ok [02:20]
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ThickAsThieves i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again [02:21]
mircea_popescu i thought occupy was that. [02:21]
ThickAsThieves nah [02:21]
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ThickAsThieves senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before [02:22]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:22]
ThickAsThieves i hope they have troll spray [02:22]
mircea_popescu do senators even know what reddit is ? [02:22]
ThickAsThieves theyll have no choice [02:23]
mircea_popescu i mean... it's like a truck right ? [02:23]
ThickAsThieves reddit is already demanding an AMA [02:23]
asciilifeform the toilet attached to the 'series of pipes' [02:23]
mircea_popescu someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA. [02:23]
ThickAsThieves you should do an AMA [02:23]
mircea_popescu "Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix" [02:23]
mircea_popescu "Was it your wife" [02:23]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:23]
the20year2 thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk [02:23]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms, [02:24]
ThickAsThieves you need to work on your brand bro! [02:24]
ThickAsThieves so reddit can sum you up in 5 words [02:24]
mircea_popescu do oyu mean my band or my brand ? [02:24]
ThickAsThieves i'm cool with either [02:24]
mircea_popescu o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier [02:25]
mircea_popescu and also strategy pointers from some webmaster [02:25]
ThickAsThieves i saw hehe [02:25]
ThickAsThieves take them suits down a notch [02:25]
ThickAsThieves too many buttoned buttons [02:25]
mircea_popescu twss. [02:25]
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mircea_popescu no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS [02:26]
mircea_popescu was less than the shit i wore. [02:26]
mircea_popescu i had 18 things on! [02:26]
ThickAsThieves see that's branding [02:26]
ThickAsThieves you get it [02:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what were you wearing, plate mail? [02:26]
mircea_popescu sounds more like medieval knighting [02:26]
ThickAsThieves Mircea Popescu Slave-Driving Billionaire Benevolent 18-piece Suit Aficionado [02:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt [02:27]
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mircea_popescu there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man. [02:27]
ThickAsThieves shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there [02:27]
mircea_popescu whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes. [02:27]
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asciilifeform that's... 5 ? [02:28]
mircea_popescu "Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:" [02:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls... [02:29]
asciilifeform complex supports and fulcrums << codpiece ?! [02:29]
mircea_popescu o btw [02:29]
mircea_popescu Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players [02:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns! [02:30]
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MisterE thought we were going to have a lot more volatility yesterday than we did [02:31]
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MisterE seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox [02:31]
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mircea_popescu "Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH" [02:35]
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Bugpowder Is Mark actually using the I forgot the password defense? [02:38]
ThickAsThieves where? [02:38]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:38]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 593.0, vol: 48924.47505468 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.93, vol: 32765.22516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.0, vol: 37428.61558769 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.07, vol: 363.66288534 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.06265, vol: 14593.70900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.870330844 [02:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting re: serbo-croatian 'urban dictionary' - http://iraan.livejournal.com/426330.html [02:38]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder gotta play the entire book. [02:39]
mircea_popescu when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it. [02:39]
benkay Bugpowder: sauce? [02:39]
asciilifeform 'ruska joga' (russian yoga) - to drink and fall asleep in amazing positions [02:39]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:39]
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Bugpowder so fucking funny [02:40]
Bugpowder On the plane back to LA [02:40]
asciilifeform or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.' [02:40]
Bugpowder Time to work on my mtgox address analysis again. [02:40]
mircea_popescu albanian tourism lol [02:40]
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mircea_popescu Боснийская пирамида ya right lol. [02:41]
asciilifeform they actually have this pyramid-shaped oddity there, i'm told [02:42]
asciilifeform tourist trap [02:42]
mircea_popescu i never heard of it [02:43]
asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanagi%C4%87_pyramid_hypothesis [02:43]
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mircea_popescu "В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига" [02:43]
asciilifeform lol [02:44]
mircea_popescu this is possibly the mother of all false friends. [02:44]
mircea_popescu they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh. [02:44]
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mircea_popescu Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard. [02:45]
asciilifeform 'Украинец' (ukrainian) - infected usb stick. [02:45]
kakobrekla not just a tourist trap, some people are real belivers [02:45]
mircea_popescu amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement. [02:45]
asciilifeform american 'cat's meow' [02:45]
kakobrekla i have seen them with my own eyes and ears. [02:45]
asciilifeform (where this expression came from, i never knew) [02:45]
jurov http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-cybercrime-databreach-idUSBREA1O20S20140225 [02:46]
ozbot 360 million newly stolen credentials on black market: cybersecurity firm [02:46]
jurov gpx seelling out? [02:46]
jurov *gox [02:46]
kakobrekla gox has only 1 mil [02:46]
jurov ic [02:47]
mircea_popescu in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa [02:48]
asciilifeform neat! [02:49]
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asciilifeform now that you sounded it out, i'm pretty sure i heard it as a kid somewhere. [02:49]
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mircea_popescu bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that. [02:50]
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mircea_popescu amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard" [02:51]
mircea_popescu on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s [02:51]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them [02:52]
ozbot Singura limba care pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:52]
asciilifeform seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language [02:52]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics" [02:53]
ozbot Grafia istorica a limbii romane pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really. [02:54]
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asciilifeform this post was... a call to throw out 'euro' keyboards? [02:55]
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kakobrekla if you say write ass you speak and read as it is written, i say serbian [02:58]
kakobrekla lol ass. as. [02:58]
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mircea_popescu pretty much [03:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid [03:00]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s. [03:01]
mircea_popescu back then it plugged into a XT [03:01]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu nah, you havent seen serbian subs. [03:02]
mircea_popescu you mean sandwiches ? [03:02]
mircea_popescu or like subtitles ? [03:02]
kakobrekla no [03:02]
kakobrekla yes [03:02]
mircea_popescu if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl) [03:03]
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kakobrekla anyway, that shit is hilarious. [03:04]
mircea_popescu i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie [03:04]
kakobrekla dont blame you [03:04]
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Bugpowder BREAKING: Full Mt. Gox story coming... (self.Bitcoin) [03:48]
Bugpowder submitted 24 minutes ago by twobitidiot [03:48]
Bugpowder I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up. [03:48]
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benkay well with who else would they be acting? [03:48]
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mircea_popescu lol he finally got through the trilema posts ? [03:50]
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asciilifeform from the dark depths of the lulz mines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/26/boeing_black/ [03:53]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [08:09]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [08:09]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [08:09]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438891752079249408 [08:20]
ozbot Twitter / CharlieShrem: Can I bet on myself? "Charlie ... [08:20]
mircea_popescu shrem encounters a dilemma. [08:20]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [08:20]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful, [08:24]
mircea_popescu specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking. [08:24]
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mircea_popescu if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't. [08:24]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly." [08:26]
mircea_popescu and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ? [08:26]
mircea_popescu i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? [08:26]
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Apocalyptic http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/ [08:53]
ozbot The Two-Bit Idiot [08:53]
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Apocalyptic the last entry published minutes ago sums up the events [08:55]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there. [08:56]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part [08:57]
Apocalyptic also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise [09:00]
jurov Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Manager, Business Development Division [09:00]
jurov ..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships [09:00]
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mircea_popescu "This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too." [09:03]
mircea_popescu you're still better off reading -assets. [09:03]
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Apocalyptic I'm not arguing that :) [09:03]
mircea_popescu hehe [09:03]
mircea_popescu well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing. [09:04]
mircea_popescu guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent. [09:04]
Apocalyptic he said something about consulting his lawyer first on reddit [09:04]
mircea_popescu yeah because that costs money. [09:04]
benkay twobit whatever? [09:05]
mircea_popescu every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ? [09:05]
Apocalyptic gives some self-importance illusion [09:06]
mircea_popescu i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong. [09:06]
jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzbhg/bitstamps_bank_refused_to_open_me_a_bank_account/ i'd like to highlight davout's peformance here instead [09:06]
mircea_popescu say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like. [09:07]
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mircea_popescu he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives [09:07]
mircea_popescu and he can't even name a band [09:07]
mircea_popescu but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop [09:07]
mircea_popescu baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop [09:07]
mircea_popescu bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers". [09:07]
mircea_popescu the music rich people listen to. [09:08]
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benkay har [09:09]
benkay my lawyer has one job: keep my ass outta trouble. [09:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that. [09:09]
copumpkin benkay: the rest of you is fair game? [09:10]
benkay man fuck twitter [09:10]
benkay such import over 140 characters [09:10]
* copumpkin goes to sleep [09:10]
benkay every derp face crafting their derpy 140 char dropping for the internet [09:10]
mircea_popescu benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research" [09:10]
benkay bah [09:11]
benkay and humbug to boot [09:11]
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mircea_popescu i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with [09:11]
mircea_popescu "coffeeinneusseur" [09:11]
mircea_popescu "chief colorist at large" [09:11]
benkay mircea_popescu imma ragequit at you [09:11]
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davout good morning! [09:11]
mircea_popescu Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist. [09:12]
mircea_popescu davout hai [09:12]
mircea_popescu basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations. [09:12]
mircea_popescu you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ? [09:13]
mircea_popescu and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ? [09:13]
mircea_popescu really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/ [09:14]
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benkay hey davout tunes? [09:16]
benkay also who's making odds on when mp hires a twittr troll? [09:17]
twizt lol [09:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive. [09:17]
benkay a fuck it has an e these days [09:18]
mircea_popescu the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin, [09:18]
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mircea_popescu coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points. [09:18]
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mircea_popescu and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm [09:19]
mircea_popescu cheaper, faster, safer and overal better. [09:19]
mircea_popescu so i have no idea what gives in there. [09:19]
B007 benkay: implying he hasn't hired a troll for irc and twitter already [09:19]
benkay pathologies of the welfare state? [09:19]
mircea_popescu benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head. [09:19]
benkay perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated [09:20]
mircea_popescu they don't have ai that good. [09:20]
benkay there are shortcuts [09:20]
benkay given thread, here are 10 replies. select one. [09:20]
mircea_popescu no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it. [09:20]
mircea_popescu i start sifting the data and spot patters [09:20]
mircea_popescu so far not spotting much tho. [09:21]
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mircea_popescu basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous. [09:21]
mircea_popescu i can attack both with the same math. [09:21]
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benkay enlighten me, oh sage [09:22]
mircea_popescu well but as to which part ? [09:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589999 = 0.3177 BTC [+] [09:22]
benkay okay, i'm an idiot! [09:22]
mircea_popescu yw. [09:22]
benkay like i'm five [09:22]
mircea_popescu o i thought you had got it lol. [09:22]
benkay no no you see i am actually retarded [09:23]
benkay plus these logs are a thing for posterity [09:23]
mircea_popescu ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums. [09:23]
mircea_popescu you write code to do this. [09:23]
benkay or some subset thereof. [09:23]
mircea_popescu an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using. [09:23]
mircea_popescu side channel attack ? win. [09:24]
mircea_popescu at large volumes, all data generation is key generation. [09:24]
benkay so timing's the obvious side-channel, what others have you looked at? [09:24]
mircea_popescu a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce. [09:25]
benkay and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?! [09:25]
mircea_popescu i'd be surprised if i were the only one. [09:25]
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benkay timing's obvious, though. what other axes tend to show patterns in these problem spaces? [09:27]
mircea_popescu well obviously i'm not discussing that. [09:27]
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mircea_popescu if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D [09:27]
benkay i thought you got out of the consulting game! [09:27]
benkay let a kid joust, mp [09:27]
benkay ain't no harm innit [09:27]
mircea_popescu i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again. [09:28]
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benkay hey so i did this talk on lisp tonight [09:31]
jurov "consultant for troll activity data mining" [09:31]
benkay and WHAT DO YOU FUCKING KNOW [09:31]
benkay at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot [09:31]
benkay errybody's all "hey benkay benkay what ams a bitcoin eh?" [09:31]
benkay i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke [09:32]
mircea_popescu benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias. [09:32]
mircea_popescu most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs" [09:32]
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mircea_popescu every geek worships devs. [09:33]
mircea_popescu cause you know, in geek space the dev is god. [09:33]
benkay ya well there's a reason there's basically no technical literature on the company site [09:33]
mircea_popescu kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare. [09:33]
benkay uh [09:34]
benkay those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines? [09:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543 [09:35]
mircea_popescu the soviets also printed their own usd. [09:35]
mircea_popescu nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied. [09:35]
mircea_popescu benkay i meant culturally not economically. [09:35]
mircea_popescu kinda clear how economy works. [09:35]
benkay i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit' [09:36]
mircea_popescu i am 12 and what is sarcasm ? [09:36]
benkay it's pretty sad man [09:37]
mircea_popescu sadgasm. [09:37]
benkay dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money" [09:37]
benkay me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! [09:37]
benkay dudes foot the bill for the whole night [09:37]
benkay none of the nerds are willing to step within ten feet of them [09:37]
mircea_popescu lol. [09:37]
benkay i don't fucking get it [09:38]
mircea_popescu didn't i just say that above re twitter ? [09:38]
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mircea_popescu :D [09:38]
benkay i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol [09:38]
benkay climbing el capitan with proto-burners, pre-burning man [09:39]
benkay everyone else is going on about something in python lib 3 [09:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less. [09:39]
benkay I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER [09:39]
mircea_popescu does 30k buy me three young sluts ? [09:39]
mircea_popescu benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery. [09:40]
benkay i ain't nobody's anything. [09:40]
mircea_popescu careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy. [09:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599998 = 1.2 BTC [+] [09:41]
benkay everyone knows i'm only peripherally interested in technology as a tool to make shitloads of money. [09:41]
benkay expectations is well-managed. [09:42]
benkay hyphens is well-deployed. [09:42]
benkay my shit is TIGHT. [09:42]
benkay if undercapitalized. [09:42]
mircea_popescu what for, to buy a senator ? [09:42]
benkay to prototype subsea mining drones [09:43]
mircea_popescu and robot nucular subs ? [09:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00549899 = 0.2749 BTC [+] {6} [09:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] [09:43]
benkay pff subs [09:43]
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mircea_popescu subs are cool. [09:44]
jurov benkay IPO it on havelock , like DEEPMINING [09:44]
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benkay manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make? [09:44]
mircea_popescu you missed the robot part ? [09:44]
mircea_popescu a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available. [09:45]
benkay fine fine [09:45]
jurov until someone hacks it [09:45]
mircea_popescu it never needs to surface [09:45]
mircea_popescu and it can communicate on mpex protocol. [09:45]
benkay (but for the record robotic does not exclude manned) [09:45]
jurov lol [09:45]
mircea_popescu hehe [09:45]
davout benkay: uploading [09:46]
mircea_popescu anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot. [09:46]
mircea_popescu aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes. [09:46]
jurov LAUNCH|caliber|qty|target [09:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.16230094 = 1.1361 BTC [-] [09:46]
mircea_popescu lolz [09:47]
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mircea_popescu benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub. [09:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00599998 = 0.528 BTC [+] [09:47]
mircea_popescu it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish [09:47]
mircea_popescu and it just makes more of itself. [09:48]
benkay kombucha armaments [09:48]
mircea_popescu then one day, they emerge [09:48]
mircea_popescu i think we have a decent sf novel premise here. [09:48]
benkay i thought we agreed "no grey goo"! [09:48]
mircea_popescu nono, these never run amok. [09:49]
mircea_popescu they just disciplinedly reorganise the world. [09:49]
B007 i know someone who'll write it [09:49]
mircea_popescu i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin [09:49]
mircea_popescu there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit. [09:49]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, in the depths... [09:49]
B007 lol [09:49]
mircea_popescu soon enough the uk falls into the see [09:50]
mircea_popescu sea* [09:50]
B007 wot [09:50]
mircea_popescu because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it [09:50]
mircea_popescu because pretty crystals. [09:50]
benkay hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes? [09:50]
mircea_popescu various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is. [09:50]
mircea_popescu the subs care, deeply. [09:50]
mircea_popescu benkay notrly ? [09:50]
benkay single stage to orbit with an air-breathing rocket [09:51]
mircea_popescu o o that. yeah heard of it [09:51]
benkay skylon and nautilus [09:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00084193 = 25.6368 BTC [-] {2} [09:52]
benkay 2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust [09:52]
mircea_popescu how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ? [09:53]
benkay with an inflated launch tube duh [09:53]
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benkay emerging nearly tangent to the surface [09:53]
mircea_popescu butwait. [09:54]
mircea_popescu nonono. [09:54]
benkay *shooop* exit opens 50ms before nose of vehicle breaches *shoop* closes behind vehicle [09:54]
mircea_popescu the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth [09:54]
mircea_popescu ensures it does not emerge to surface. [09:54]
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benkay weight one end so as it hangs down super deep [09:54]
mircea_popescu i think you don't take my meaning. consider : [09:55]
mircea_popescu let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure. [09:55]
benkay also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane? [09:55]
mircea_popescu pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall [09:55]
mircea_popescu Stw defines weight of the entire thing [09:55]
mircea_popescu Wtet defines pI - pE [09:56]
benkay pI = pE, tho [09:56]
mircea_popescu then why's it buoy ? [09:56]
benkay it's not [09:56]
benkay why would it be? [09:56]
mircea_popescu then how does it climb 4 miles ? [09:56]
jurov it can be supported by external buoys [09:56]
mircea_popescu cause you're launching it from the ocean floor. [09:56]
benkay it's an inflated tube, yo [09:56]
jurov but really, what would be filled by? [09:56]
mircea_popescu ... [09:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1050 @ 0.00018514 = 0.1944 BTC [+] {2} [09:57]
mircea_popescu you want to make a tube 4 miles long ? [09:57]
mircea_popescu in WATER ? [09:57]
benkay no what i want to do is go fuck my girl [09:57]
benkay peace [09:57]
mircea_popescu good idea. [09:57]
mircea_popescu use your inflatable tube. [09:57]
jurov you'd get, like, supercritical (almost liquid) co2 at that pressure [09:57]
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jurov just building 4km high tower would be much easier [09:59]
jurov on the land, i mean [09:59]
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jurov and he wonders why devs hate him [10:03]
jurov spouts infeasible idea on them [10:03]
jurov and then goes away like "okay imma fuck" [10:03]
mircea_popescu B007 who'll write it ? [10:04]
mircea_popescu jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him. [10:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599998 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2} [10:08]
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B007 mircea_popescu: im not here any more, i left long ago [10:08]
mircea_popescu lolk [10:09]
mircea_popescu so where are you ? [10:09]
B007 idk [10:09]
B007 my sister likes writing novels [10:09]
B007 sci fi [10:09]
mircea_popescu well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here. [10:09]
B007 lol k [10:10]
B007 in your twitter pic...WHAT IN THE BAG? [10:11]
mircea_popescu chocolate, clothes... [10:11]
mircea_popescu we were either coming from or going to the beach [10:12]
davout ;;later tell benkay https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbbwomroz8l51p0/Cellissimo.zip [10:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:12]
mircea_popescu what are these gypsy muzaks [10:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1063 = 0.5315 BTC [+] [10:14]
davout nah, some cello assortment [10:14]
davout i start hooking them on the soft stuff before moving on the hardcore, expensive stuff [10:14]
mircea_popescu this sounds familiar. [10:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00084766 = 21.7849 BTC [+] [10:15]
B007 you made the SEC hang out on irc - lol [10:15]
B007 I have to look at the logs.. [10:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10679999 BTC [+] [10:16]
mircea_popescu everyone has to look at the logs all the time [10:18]
mircea_popescu it's the only tenet of the assets faith [10:18]
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davout should get printed out and sold like a bitcoin almanach [10:21]
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B007 only 365 revisions per year! [10:21]
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davout i'm sure if you print out the previous year for use in N+1 it'd still be useful to some! [10:22]
mircea_popescu nubsy was doing something like that. [10:22]
mircea_popescu of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw. [10:22]
davout fitting it on thshirts :D [10:22]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` ^ [10:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:22]
jurov that would be a tech feat, fitting so much data there [10:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00084798 = 17.4167 BTC [+] {2} [10:27]
jurov but i have an idea, put bash quotes on tshirt as qr codes [10:27]
jurov nubbins, imma get 10% of that [10:27]
mircea_popescu o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log. [10:28]
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mircea_popescu the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss [10:29]
mircea_popescu this method vastly overstates it. [10:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084851 = 3.0546 BTC [+] [10:33]
davout i'd be really curious to see some verified numbers [10:34]
jurov using that method they could have easily lost more than total btc in circulation [10:34]
jurov at least something to be remembered for [10:34]
mircea_popescu davout it never was audited. [10:34]
mircea_popescu that part is true. [10:34]
InfiniteRadio_ Shirts are great...i put "Justin Bieber stole my girlfriend" on 25 shirts and sold em all for $20 on my campus...although my "I don't care about pizza...i only care about parties" didn't do so hot....broke even though with the biebs [10:35]
mircea_popescu jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall [10:35]
mircea_popescu they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange [10:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] {2} [10:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2} [10:35]
mircea_popescu about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012. [10:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} [10:35]
davout yeah, probably not, would still be curious about the results of some sort of forensic financial audit [10:35]
mircea_popescu InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that / [10:36]
jurov everything is possible with enough fractional "reserve" [10:36]
davout the polish exchange was 17k iirc [10:36]
InfiniteRadio_ This was @ OCC back in 11 [10:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06167978 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {2} [10:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10200002 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2} [10:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2} [10:36]
mircea_popescu davout at the time they were throwing money around [10:36]
davout pretty much [10:37]
mircea_popescu i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection [10:37]
mircea_popescu you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost) [10:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18022 @ 0.00084603 = 15.2472 BTC [-] [10:37]
davout i'm also kinda wondering whether it'll be a 100% haircut on BTC for everyone, or some lower number [10:39]
mircea_popescu "everyone" ? [10:40]
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jurov he prolly means all gox users [10:42]
davout yup [10:42]
davout my account there is empty since 2011 [10:42]
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mircea_popescu everyone takes a 100% loss. [10:44]
mircea_popescu mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators. [10:44]
mircea_popescu the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue [10:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4965989 = 9.932 BTC [+] {5} [10:44]
davout that, i believe, is one of the most plausible scenarii [10:44]
mircea_popescu and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency. [10:45]
davout oh yeah, i forgot about the trademark [10:45]
mircea_popescu which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex [10:45]
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mircea_popescu but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out. [10:45]
jurov u sure no one has trademarked "mircea popescu" ? [10:45]
jurov or "mpex" [10:46]
mircea_popescu you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof. [10:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00084863 = 22.9147 BTC [+] {3} [10:46]
davout i'm not sure the bitcoin trademark is worth that much [10:47]
davout i'm pretty sure the "goxxed" term is worth more xD [10:47]
davout imagine all the goxxed goodies you could make [10:47]
mircea_popescu lol [10:47]
davout thinkgeek would be all over it [10:47]
jurov http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4810:ry2ygn.1.1 go there, search for mpex [10:47]
jurov there's something [10:47]
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davout "introducing the goxxed dildo, can get in, but with its spikes, IT CAN'T GET OU!!1" [10:48]
jurov coinbr gets no results o/ [10:48]
jurov "For example, the search term *DOG* ..." lmaooooo [10:49]
mircea_popescu jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations. [10:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00541111 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {3} [10:50]
davout i don't know how it works in other countries, but in france when you trademark sthg, you must also specify the scope in terms of activity the trademark is to be used in [10:51]
jurov yes, it's there, too [10:51]
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jurov however, it remains to consideration whether retardation is "pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious disease" [10:51]
mircea_popescu davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc. [10:52]
mircea_popescu for instance [10:52]
davout good to know! [10:52]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/ [10:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599998 = 0.3 BTC [+] [10:54]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/432923293687885824 aaahhh [10:55]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Btw fatso @MagicalTux : recall ... [10:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00599998 = 0.978 BTC [+] [10:55]
jurov so, you have yor bases covered... but if you started developing retardation treatment drops, i'd be concerned a bit :D [10:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599998 = 0.198 BTC [+] [10:57]
mircea_popescu jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name [10:57]
mircea_popescu mebbe i call them... Burnside [10:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00085114 = 16.6423 BTC [+] [10:58]
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dexX7_ mircea_popescu: did you receive any offering for gox? [10:59]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ hm ? [10:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for. [11:01]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [11:01]
dexX7_ there are those rumors that multiple investors were contacted to bailout/buy gox etc. [11:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00084967 = 16.4394 BTC [-] [11:03]
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mark0v whats the latest conspiracy theory on GOX coins?? [11:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084915 = 12.7373 BTC [-] [11:13]
mircea_popescu yes, they were/ [11:13]
jurov mark0v: just check the twobitidiots blog [11:14]
mark0v doesnt really say where the coins are [11:14]
mark0v i.e. lost cold storage, stolen, etc [11:14]
mark0v no news on where the actual coins are yet... [11:14]
mark0v blockchain is publically auditable, we need the withdrawl logs [11:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [11:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+] [11:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] [11:18]
mircea_popescu mark0v http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#534574 [11:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] [11:19]
mircea_popescu you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs. [11:19]
mircea_popescu it's a good idea to read the logs. [11:19]
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mark0v mircea_popescu: so, they were speculating with depositors coins and making acquisisions with them? [11:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] [11:23]
mark0v at $10/coin... which was stupid because as the price rises, they'd never be able to buy back coins to pay investors back [11:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+] [11:25]
dexX7_ the crisis paper also states a miss of 55 mio usd [11:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00599 = 0.2276 BTC [-] [11:26]
mark0v seems like there was a hack early on, and everything since then has been an attempt to make back coins by speculating [11:27]
cazalla i can't help but hope the coins are gone for the benefit of myself [11:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+] [11:27]
mark0v lost cold wallet would be best (rather then some theives having it) [11:27]
cazalla yup [11:27]
cazalla i don't own enough so the removal of 750k would at least push me up a notch albeit a small nudge [11:28]
jurov http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329 [11:30]
ozbot Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog [11:30]
jurov there's also this from krakens ceo [11:30]
dexX7_ is there any publickey to pubkeyhash converter online? [11:30]
jurov if you insist [11:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [11:31]
cazalla jurov: he needs to replace that i know that feel image with http://i.imgur.com/Zt2EIOa.jpg [11:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21720 @ 0.00085125 = 18.4892 BTC [+] {3} [11:35]
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markov latest rumor is that Karpeles lost the key to the wallet [11:41]
mircea_popescu markov for a long, long time. [11:42]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents [11:43]
mircea_popescu (this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers") [11:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+] [11:43]
mircea_popescu part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows [11:44]
markov mircea_popescu: how could he be so stupid to lose the keys???! [11:44]
mircea_popescu part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls. [11:44]
mircea_popescu markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said. [11:44]
markov like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this idiot?? [11:44]
mircea_popescu they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011. [11:44]
dexX7_ ah right [11:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00599 = 0.5092 BTC [+] [11:44]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis. [11:45]
dexX7_ "5.5 mio held by dhs, 5 mio held by coinlab" [11:45]
mircea_popescu afaik coinlab is really in the red. [11:46]
mircea_popescu ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox. [11:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00085312 = 16.4072 BTC [+] [11:46]
dexX7_ lol [11:46]
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markov whats an0 spec? [11:47]
markov why is bitcoinbuilder > 0 ?? [11:48]
markov current rate is 20:1 [11:48]
dexX7_ "high risk, very high reward" [11:48]
mircea_popescu markov http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ [11:49]
mircea_popescu and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website [11:49]
markov it should probably be goxASSETS/goxLIABILITIES which is what account holders will receive during the bankruptcy [11:49]
mircea_popescu anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website [11:49]
goxxed I bought >600 goxbtc during the last hours. I'm convinced it will be one of the best investments of 2014 [11:49]
mircea_popescu goxxed what did you pay for it ? [11:49]
goxxed avg 0.08 [11:50]
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markov mircea_popescu: the same could be about MPex though... 'just some website' [11:50]
davout still quite expensive imo [11:50]
mircea_popescu markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else. [11:50]
mircea_popescu thats why we have the wot and on it goes. [11:50]
markov bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything [11:50]
mircea_popescu discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour [11:50]
mircea_popescu i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that. [11:51]
dexX7_ goxxed: do you expect some kind of miracle where thousands of coins appear out of nowhere? [11:51]
markov goxxed: say goodbye to your 50 BTC. you cant be serious! [11:51]
mircea_popescu pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket [11:51]
davout four days ago i'd mebbe have paid 20~30 BTC [11:51]
goxxed interview with bitcoinbuilder founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Wg6Adi3z0 [11:51]
markov goxxed must be trolling [11:51]
dexX7_ much more fun than lottery [11:51]
davout now. a couple at most [11:51]
markov bitcoinbuilder founder interestingly converted all his btc he made from fees into goxcoins [11:51]
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mircea_popescu dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way [11:52]
markov "I had no inside knowledge of the situation at mtgox and am truly shocked at the current state of their affairs. I personally have over 8,000 GOXBTC and $400,000 USD locked in their system, and am still converting all "real" BTC trading fees from the site to GOXBTC, and I will never sell any personal GOXBTC via this site. " [11:52]
mircea_popescu course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story. [11:52]
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mircea_popescu markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ? [11:53]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families" [11:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+] [11:53]
markov mircea_popescu: link? [11:54]
dexX7_ faq [11:54]
dexX7_ afaik [11:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/25/scho-f25.html you'll love the names. [11:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 850 @ 0.0055 = 4.675 BTC [11:54]
markov mircea_popescu: i despise communism. that website is clearly reporting FUD [11:55]
mircea_popescu markov clearly. [11:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3309 @ 0.00085312 = 2.823 BTC [+] [11:55]
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markov its quite a shame that i have nearly 300 goxBTC [11:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00599 = 0.7188 BTC [+] [11:56]
markov i guess ill just gamble on just-dice to make them back [11:57]
mircea_popescu > . < [11:57]
dexX7_ sounds like a solid plan [11:57]
mircea_popescu solid like pixiedust. [11:58]
jurov markov i'd rather recommend coinroll [11:58]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhd4HUhCMAAxKQy.jpg:large [11:58]
markov i trust dooglus [11:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.005989 = 2.6112 BTC [-] [11:59]
mircea_popescu teh ukraine is going well. [11:59]
markov is that where you're from mp? [11:59]
mircea_popescu nope. [11:59]
jurov no we're just living near borders [11:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2920 @ 0.00599 = 17.4908 BTC [+] {3} [12:00]
jurov in worst case, we can expect millions of refugees [12:00]
markov bulgaria? [12:00]
mircea_popescu markov timisoara, romania [12:01]
jurov and i'm in slovakia [12:01]
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markov l33t. you guys must be one of the few intelligent people left in the eastern european countries [12:01]
mircea_popescu jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it [12:01]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse [12:01]
mircea_popescu least of all the ukrainians themselves [12:02]
jurov dunno, they're making some preparations here [12:02]
jurov maybe someone really thinks putin will pull it [12:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 401 @ 0.0055 = 2.2055 BTC [12:03]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhclSE7IQAADU3K.jpg:large [12:03]
mircea_popescu oops [12:03]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/SergeiShoigu/status/438975883597348864 < if anyone cares. [12:03]
ozbot Twitter / SergeiShoigu: Welcome to my official Twitter ... [12:03]
markov robert scoble in toronto>? [12:04]
jurov markov: quite many intelligent people returned from the west, living here is okay for them [12:06]
markov eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud [12:06]
jurov how that relates? [12:06]
mircea_popescu markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english [12:07]
jurov at least our banks have solid e-services [12:07]
markov here be dragons? [12:07]
mircea_popescu yeah. [12:07]
mircea_popescu "people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil! [12:08]
markov jurov: good point, they're probably employed the best exploit guys ;) [12:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00085292 = 31.7713 BTC [-] {2} [12:17]
mircea_popescu http://82.99.29.187:443/file/wzbdxg?type=shared-window&item=png [12:19]
mircea_popescu meanwhile teh yuan is moving [12:19]
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markov so you guys think karpeles lost keys rather then a hack? [12:23]
mircea_popescu ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband [12:24]
mircea_popescu good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs. [12:24]
jurov markov that does not matter [12:24]
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jurov i'm certain karpeles did ask them to help, too [12:26]
mircea_popescu sure. [12:26]
mircea_popescu and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us. [12:27]
mircea_popescu basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose. [12:27]
mircea_popescu it's beyond the fucking pale. [12:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37472 @ 0.00085488 = 32.0341 BTC [+] {3} [12:29]
twizt man i just went on youtube [12:31]
twizt and saw a scientology ad [12:31]
ArsKisS poor you [12:31]
twizt i wonder how much it would cost to promote satanism [12:31]
mircea_popescu some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd [12:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.509 BTC [+] [12:33]
mircea_popescu so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ? [12:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00595002 = 0.1309 BTC [-] [12:34]
twizt lol [12:34]
twizt where do they draw the line [12:34]
BingoBoingo Wait, Roger Ver still has some affiliation with Blockchain.info after his $50 blowup? http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77960201159/roger-ver-denies-any-inappropriate-involvement-with-mt [12:34]
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mircea_popescu since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs : [12:37]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1665537/ [12:37]
ozbot dpaste: #1665537 [12:37]
mircea_popescu feb 2013/aug 2012 [12:37]
chetty "inappropriate" now thats a weaselword [12:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to [12:38]
mircea_popescu and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now. [12:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, lettuce have some fun. [12:39]
BingoBoingo Oh, post-Gox Bitcoin is more interesting already [12:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00085569 = 39.319 BTC [+] {3} [12:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50979439 = 1.0196 BTC [+] {2} [12:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1318 BTC [+] [12:45]
markov mircea_popescu: apparely roger ver has 250,000 btc [12:46]
mircea_popescu yaya. [12:46]
mircea_popescu apparently mtgox was the cat's tits, [12:46]
mircea_popescu untill suddenly it wasn't anymore [12:46]
mircea_popescu and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot. [12:46]
mircea_popescu lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic. [12:48]
markov .. [12:49]
markov whos kat walsh? [12:49]
mircea_popescu a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade [12:50]
mircea_popescu lucky for them, they never got sued. [12:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] [12:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599 = 0.2097 BTC [+] [12:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+] [12:55]
ArsKisS neobee pretty hot [12:57]
ArsKisS now you can remove the walls, folks [12:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00085043 = 20.0276 BTC [-] {2} [13:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-] [13:06]
bitcoinpete howdy from bruxelles! [13:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008533 = 2.3892 BTC [+] [13:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00599 = 1.6473 BTC [+] [13:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] [13:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [+] [13:14]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/ [13:15]
ozbot The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete [13:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.11437691 = 2.9738 BTC [-] {7} [13:15]
bitcoinpete I'm just going to leave this here. It's about trust, greed, idealism, and Snake. [13:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.10600342 = 2.5441 BTC [-] {5} [13:16]
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the20year1 http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329 [13:29]
ozbot Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog [13:29]
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jurov the20year1: i usually search in logs before posting [13:34]
jurov it's there [13:34]
mircea_popescu the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it. [13:34]
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mircea_popescu !t h cbtc [13:43]
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ThickerThanThiev just read thru this gox stuff [14:02]
ThickerThanThiev so basically gox gave all the exhcnage leaders head's up to sell [14:03]
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ThickerThanThiev aawful [14:03]
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mircea_popescu will be fun to watch the unwinding of it. [14:05]
mircea_popescu Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of “mean state infringing on people’s rights”. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi [14:05]
mircea_popescu The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they’ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that’s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning “ideas”. It won’t wash. [14:05]
mircea_popescu stuff from 2012ish [14:05]
dexX7_ i bet this 10k sell on bitstamp was related to this [14:05]
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thickasthieves my thoughts pretty much too [14:07]
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thickasthieves the story of where this reached isn't done, and more than gox will go down for acting on it's insolvency [14:08]
thickasthieves its [14:08]
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MisterE Hmm, just about time to get back in [14:08]
ThickAsThieves also, like, even if you did make sure to sell all your coins first, how could you not leak this info to the public sooner? [14:08]
MisterE ride it back up to 600 [14:08]
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ThickAsThieves secondmarket may be the most exposed [14:09]
ThickAsThieves as it seems they were approached [14:09]
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MisterE whats ths? [14:10]
MisterE sounds scandalous [14:10]
dexX7_ were they obligated to leak such info? isn't this stuff kinda confidential? [14:11]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [14:11]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.98, vol: 26161.04056450 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.2, vol: 22395.6107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 19715.43458074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.51, vol: 236.24374416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 571.6896, vol: 8316.85200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.774361582 [14:11]
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ThickAsThieves i dont know the legality [14:12]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao [14:12]
ThickAsThieves no [14:12]
mircea_popescu what do i do here, play ? [14:12]
ThickAsThieves i mean how gox approached people for a bailout [14:12]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive" [14:12]
ThickAsThieves i'm talking about off-gox markets [14:13]
mircea_popescu you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go [14:13]
mircea_popescu "hey, mtgox is fucked" ? [14:13]
mircea_popescu that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does. [14:13]
ThickAsThieves like Bitstamp selling 25k btc after Mark walks out the room or such [14:13]
mircea_popescu that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell. [14:14]
ThickAsThieves this also has added greed element [14:14]
mircea_popescu recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ? [14:14]
ThickAsThieves insider trading at its finest [14:14]
mircea_popescu insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ? [14:14]
ThickAsThieves right [14:14]
mircea_popescu people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok" [14:14]
mircea_popescu the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox. [14:15]
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Apocalyptic what's funnier is some people are so in denial up to the point they're even doubting mtgox is missing coins, at this very moment [14:16]
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MisterE how far up your ass does your head have to be to think that [14:17]
Apocalyptic "but it's speculation, at this point we can't be sure" i don't even... [14:17]
mircea_popescu derp. [14:18]
mircea_popescu welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year. [14:18]
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dexX7_ the stuff was not only leaked to investors/exchanges, but also to the press. or it was leaked to the press from one of them.. i'm not sure right now where i read it, but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014. [14:19]
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mircea_popescu maybe find it. [14:20]
Apocalyptic " but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014." it's in the business plan [14:21]
ThickAsThieves the business plan had no juicy info really [14:21]
ThickAsThieves unless something was able to be gleaned from the financial page [14:22]
wbaw it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it [14:22]
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ThickAsThieves or, the ones that were interested in the plan were the ones who then unearthed the dirtier truth [14:22]
ThickAsThieves obv you dont buy a mtgox without seeing the coins [14:23]
wbaw well, the plan looks pretty illegal to my uninformed opinion [14:23]
mircea_popescu wbaw http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 [14:23]
dexX7_ wall street journal. no paywall: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ytb3o/japans_authorities_decline_to_step_in_on_bitcoin/cfnk8nz -- "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees." [14:23]
ThickAsThieves i'm referring to the business plan [14:23]
ThickAsThieves not the crisis one [14:23]
Apocalyptic it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it // sounds reasonable [14:23]
dexX7_ this was before the crisis paper went public [14:23]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere. [14:24]
dexX7_ yea [14:24]
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ThickAsThieves look china wants to mimic bitcoin http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/what-happens-if-china-widens-the-yuans-trading-band/ [14:25]
ThickAsThieves this volatily thing, we like! [14:25]
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ThickAsThieves "In the past week, the People’s Bank of China has been trying to inject more two-way volatility into yuan trading by guiding the currency lower, an effort Chinese officials and analysts say is aimed at paving the way for widening the yuan’s trading band sometime this year." [14:26]
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ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/more-flexible-yuan-is-low-hanging-fruit-of-financial-reforms/ [14:26]
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mircea_popescu too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway [14:30]
MisterE man that log archive is handy! [14:32]
MisterE fuckload of good info [14:32]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [14:33]
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ThickAsThieves this BitcoinPete guy, he new? or is he someone we know with a new name? [14:33]
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MisterE he came yesterday [14:34]
dexX7_ and the log is against the freenode channel guidelines! [14:34]
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dexX7_ no logging without warning in the channel topic :p [14:34]
MisterE omg get the #freenode police heh [14:35]
ThickAsThieves isnt it linked in the topic? [14:35]
MisterE yea [14:35]
ThickAsThieves ;;topic [14:35]
gribble http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [14:35]
ThickAsThieves derp [14:35]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves he's new-ish [14:36]
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mircea_popescu dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies. [14:37]
mircea_popescu the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own [14:37]
mircea_popescu not that the chan itself can't be logged. [14:37]
dexX7_ ah [14:37]
MisterE fyi I loge everything [14:37]
Duffer1 goodmorning B-A [14:37]
mircea_popescu many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev [14:37]
dexX7_ i know [14:38]
mircea_popescu most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies. [14:38]
dexX7_ i'm fine with anyway [14:38]
mircea_popescu you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore [14:38]
MisterE I fucking hate text mesaging [14:38]
mircea_popescu MisterE tell me about it [14:38]
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ThickAsThieves oh earlier you made a statement about Hearn & Co being destitute, got link? [14:38]
dexX7_ hi duffer [14:38]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrxp0/bitcoin_core_development_falling_behind_warns/ iof you must [14:39]
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ThickAsThieves "Say what you like about Google, but it isn’t an easy place to get hired at. The entrance interviews are notoriously tough, and it is a highly desired employer – which makes Mike Hearn’s departure all the more notable." [14:40]
ThickAsThieves lulz [14:40]
mircea_popescu derp. [14:40]
Apocalyptic derp² [14:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp" [14:41]
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ThickAsThieves there was a time i really wanted to work there, I poured over job listings for a few weeks and never saw one thing I wanted to do [14:41]
mircea_popescu "now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11" [14:41]
mircea_popescu how about you know, sucking an onion. [14:42]
ThickAsThieves pored [14:42]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/scirper [14:43]
ozbot Aer Turris (scirper) on Twitter [14:43]
mircea_popescu how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ? [14:43]
usaoscoin turns out twobitidiot is a crypto insurance seller [14:45]
usaoscoin http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2s8k/who_is_2_bit_idiot_why_does_he_get_these/cfpzqaf [14:45]
mircea_popescu usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik. [14:45]
ThickAsThieves "Auroracoin is now featured on http://coinmarketcap.com/ It is in 7th place overall, or 5th place if non-mineale coins are excluded." [14:45]
usaoscoin minion, lol [14:45]
ThickAsThieves how is it that bs can get listed but not ATC... [14:45]
ThickAsThieves i'm no good at this greasing palms thing [14:46]
mircea_popescu well what do you call it ? [14:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ? [14:46]
ThickAsThieves well i at least care in that it's representing scams as things with actual value over things that aren't [14:47]
ThickAsThieves look at this shit http://coinmarketcap.com/ [14:47]
ThickAsThieves Aururacoin at $45m [14:47]
dexX7_ with about 2 mio page views per day x_x [14:47]
ThickAsThieves it's a pre-mined handout coin [14:47]
Apocalyptic lots of kids playing with alts yes [14:47]
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Duffer1 i'm curious how they're going to hand it out [14:47]
Duffer1 mail printed priv keys to everyone in iceland? [14:48]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage. [14:48]
mircea_popescu kids need their rumspringa room. [14:48]
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dexX7_ Duffer1: as far as i know there is some kind of "claim portal" website [14:49]
ThickAsThieves Duffer1 there is a public list of all Icelanders I believe [14:49]
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ThickAsThieves maybe this will be the things that teaches them it was a bad idea too [14:51]
mircea_popescu yaright. [14:51]
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dexX7_ http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 ... there was one surprising part: "I have already written to regulators once on the now-closed Silkroad ... That is why more than a handful of countries, and their banking systems, have cautioned against the use of Bitcoin." - if this is true, he seems to have some influence? [14:55]
ozbot SENATOR CALLS FOR BITCOIN BAN - Business Insider [14:55]
kakobrekla oh my [14:56]
kakobrekla http://charlieshrem.com/?p=24 [14:56]
ozbot Charlie Shrem | Something’s Not Right On The Mountain of Gox [14:56]
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ThickAsThieves dexX7_ yeah right [14:59]
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ThickAsThieves "There was no evidence that hundreds of thousands of coins were missing when Roger Ver made the so-called “hostage” video six months ago." for reference: http://imgur.com/gHrMX1y [15:03]
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ThickAsThieves really the dude is in a constant state of nervousness, maybe he did know [15:04]
ThickAsThieves shrem is stupid [15:05]
dexX7_ he wanted to buy a lot of goxcoins in the -otc thread [15:05]
ThickAsThieves coins can't be maybe-recoverable [15:05]
ThickAsThieves they are gone [15:05]
ThickAsThieves deal [15:05]
kakobrekla dexX7_ did he? urlpls? [15:06]
dexX7_ hmm mom [15:06]
mircea_popescu yeah eyah he was saying so [15:07]
mircea_popescu the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather. [15:07]
dexX7_ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5111950#msg5111950 [15:07]
ozbot MTGOX <-> BTC BID/ASK [15:07]
dexX7_ didn't see the update till now [15:08]
dexX7_ but it's telling [15:08]
azi` you guys think there is any chance folks will get their stuff from gox? [15:09]
mircea_popescu no. [15:09]
azi` like some company buing gox and stuff [15:09]
mircea_popescu no. [15:09]
kakobrekla the below reply from reptil guy is golden [15:09]
mircea_popescu o hey reptil stil around ? [15:09]
kakobrekla yes [15:09]
kakobrekla alive a kickin [15:10]
kakobrekla and [15:10]
azi` which one is it [15:10]
azi` sherem? [15:10]
mircea_popescu anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months [15:10]
pankkake why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt? [15:10]
dexX7_ azi`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5114894#msg5114894 [15:11]
azi` idk, some guys are known for making bad business descisions i suppose [15:11]
kakobrekla i dunno what statement sturles made, but reptil sez he was privileged, sturles says he lost 90% [15:11]
mircea_popescu because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith [15:11]
mircea_popescu and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction. [15:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11241 @ 0.00086715 = 9.7476 BTC [+] [15:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599958 = 0.198 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC [15:12]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox" [15:12]
dexX7_ but there was already a statement like "japan does not care, because it's btc" [15:12]
jurov btc-e just croaked too? [15:12]
mircea_popescu pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness. [15:12]
dexX7_ 502 [15:12]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much. [15:12]
jurov isee [15:13]
Duffer1 what's the extent of Ver's involvement w/ blockchain.info? is it angel investor only or does he have a more active role? [15:13]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request [15:13]
mircea_popescu theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified. [15:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 640 @ 0.000505 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {3} [15:14]
Duffer1 interesting [15:14]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0 [15:14]
ozbot MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info [15:14]
kakobrekla that one was lulzy [15:15]
mircea_popescu so it was. [15:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00599958 = 0.342 BTC [-] [15:18]
ThickAsThieves BitcoinPete deleted my comment [15:20]
ThickAsThieves oh well [15:20]
mircea_popescu uh [15:20]
mircea_popescu usure it's not just some approval thingee ? [15:21]
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ThickAsThieves i saw it loaded on the page [15:21]
ThickAsThieves but maybe only a local temp thing [15:21]
pankkake wordpress shows it after you post, even if it is waiting for approval [15:21]
mircea_popescu right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears [15:22]
pankkake yes [15:22]
ThickAsThieves word [15:22]
pankkake " Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles will be found dead by the March 20th" lol [15:22]
mircea_popescu da fuck is that [15:22]
pankkake rejected bitbet [15:22]
mircea_popescu scared me for a second [15:22]
cazalla assassination markets here we come [15:23]
mircea_popescu not quite yet. [15:23]
pankkake there's the tor one [15:23]
pankkake doesn't have him yet [15:23]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ [15:23]
ozbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD [15:23]
mircea_popescu this doesn't look so great anymore does it. [15:23]
pankkake mtgox *or* bitstamp [15:24]
ThickAsThieves $10k was a bit high [15:24]
mircea_popescu no i am aware, but even so. [15:24]
BingoBoingo I dunno I think it looks better now [15:24]
ThickAsThieves maybe $3k [15:24]
mircea_popescu btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh. [15:24]
dexX7_ 30-11-13 20:40 - yes: 57 btc, no: 42 btc ... hehe [15:25]
cazalla wish i got in earlier on http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ [15:26]
dexX7_ kinda like "exchangers are faking volume!1" [15:26]
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ThickAsThieves hmm the bitbet mod in the comments says any exchange with 1000btc vol will do if others are dead [15:27]
ThickAsThieves seems uncharacteristic of bitbet [15:27]
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ThickAsThieves http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/ [15:29]
ThickAsThieves hehe [15:29]
ozbot WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine [15:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [15:30]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936 [15:32]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Yes dears, we know. For a while ... [15:32]
ThickAsThieves forgive me for retweeting every other tweet :) [15:33]
mircea_popescu lol [15:34]
ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/438791244345774080 [15:34]
ozbot Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @ethereumproject How about DERP? [15:34]
mircea_popescu that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters [15:34]
mircea_popescu ahaha [15:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-] [15:34]
mircea_popescu meanwhile behind the coca cola courtain, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/kaley_v_united_states_terrible_supreme_court_decision_lets_the_government.html [15:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599956 = 0.24 BTC [-] [15:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3575 @ 0.00018499 = 0.6613 BTC [-] [15:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017284 = 1.7284 BTC [-] {9} [15:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00086659 = 4.5063 BTC [-] {2} [15:38]
mircea_popescu "why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway." [15:39]
ThickAsThieves “the grand jury is the total captive of the prosecutor who, if he is candid, will concede that he can indict anybody, at any time, for almost anything.” [15:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC [15:39]
ThickAsThieves ethereum's slogan: the only limit is your imagination [15:40]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:40]
ThickAsThieves such limitations [15:40]
diametric much freedom [15:40]
mircea_popescu well in their case it is true [15:41]
mircea_popescu of course, this would be the lower bound limit. [15:41]
mircea_popescu the upper bound is about fiddy bux [15:41]
ThickAsThieves i wonder how their raise went [15:42]
ThickAsThieves i cant find it [15:42]
dexX7_ didn't happen yet afaik [15:42]
ThickAsThieves they used to have a countdown on the homepage [15:42]
mircea_popescu hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ? [15:44]
mircea_popescu i vaguely recall something around xmas [15:44]
mircea_popescu was it xmas 2015 ? [15:44]
dexX7_ yea, but it was removed [15:44]
ThickAsThieves Vitalik said: [15:44]
ThickAsThieves "We are seriously worried that if we offer a small cap then some large investor will simply gobble it up all at once, and then we'll basically have Ripple. Judging by the response we have gotten so far, we realized that it is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that some whale with 200000 BTC sitting around will decide that Ethereum just might be the right coin to throw 10% into, and [15:44]
ThickAsThieves we need to work around such a possibility. If no whales come onboard on such a scale, then we will have a small market cap to start off anyway." [15:44]
ThickAsThieves more delusions [15:44]
dexX7_ lol [15:44]
mircea_popescu ahahahaah [15:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'. [15:45]
mircea_popescu you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud. [15:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00590005 = 5.9001 BTC [-] {9} [15:45]
jurov they got delusion mircea might be interested and crapped their pants [15:45]
ThickAsThieves i think he knows [15:45]
mircea_popescu apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain [15:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0008653 = 32.4488 BTC [-] [15:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599894 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2} [15:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00476 = 0.1238 BTC [-] [15:48]
ThickAsThieves btc-e is back btw [15:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50932853 = 3.5653 BTC [+] {6} [15:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-] [15:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 266 @ 0.00590015 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {2} [15:51]
Duffer1 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/internet-guffaws-at-senators-quixotic-proposal-to-ban-bitcoin/ [15:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00483252 = 1.4498 BTC [+] {9} [15:52]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 who signs ? [15:53]
Duffer1 ? [15:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00488371 = 2.4419 BTC [+] {4} [15:53]
ThickAsThieves they quote erik and some random [15:55]
ThickAsThieves much funnier retorts were tweeted than thos equoted [15:55]
mircea_popescu if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar [15:55]
mircea_popescu like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos [15:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] [15:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00591611 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {3} [15:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00489999 = 0.49 BTC [+] {3} [15:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5099999 = 1.02 BTC [+] [15:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00589999 = 1.062 BTC [-] {2} [15:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00589999 = 0.4366 BTC [-] {2} [16:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0008653 = 40.1067 BTC [-] [16:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5099999 = 2.55 BTC [+] [16:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00539122 = 26.9561 BTC [-] {55} [16:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099999 BTC [+] [16:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] [16:09]
mircea_popescu so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes. [16:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1002 @ 0.00501789 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {11} [16:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] [16:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] {2} [16:11]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.msg5379477#msg5379477 lol [16:11]
ozbot List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses [16:11]
pankkake why even trade those things that are far from tested [16:12]
pankkake why is the first step always to create an altcoin [16:12]
mircea_popescu ill tell you why [16:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+] [16:13]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-bitcoin-mtgox-japan-idUSBREA1Q0I520140227 [16:13]
ozbot Japan says any bitcoin regulation should be international [16:13]
mircea_popescu because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival [16:13]
mircea_popescu because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback [16:13]
mircea_popescu making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact. [16:14]
mircea_popescu this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government [16:14]
pankkake I'm trying to guide my parents out of the distorsion by the way… not working at all :( [16:14]
mircea_popescu of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before. [16:14]
pankkake interestingly, my mother, employed by the government and historically a socialist, is probably less blinded [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0047512 = 0.9502 BTC [-] [16:17]
chetty Even the brain dead are starting to notice something is wrong pankkake [16:18]
pankkake it's self delusion, it's a psychological issue mostly [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00568196 = 0.2841 BTC [-] {2} [16:22]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, too much cruft in logs to make it worth sorting thru for publishing [16:22]
nubbins` even in bash [16:23]
chetty denial is a stage of grief [16:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11733276 = 0.352 BTC [+] [16:23]
nubbins` jurov, wouldn't you rather your pgp fingerprint printed on a shirt in same-color ink tho? ;D [16:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` jus messin with ya [16:23]
nubbins` messing with my dreams! [16:24]
jurov nubbins`: that's too dorky even for me [16:24]
nubbins` heh [16:24]
jurov oh, you did the dick surgery tees? i can't find them [16:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00086593 = 13.8895 BTC [+] {2} [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC [16:25]
nubbins` yeah, sec [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51975 = 1.0395 BTC [+] {2} [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00564999 = 0.2203 BTC [-] {2} [16:26]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/mOiUWOS << that's the tester, can't find any pics of actual tees [16:26]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [16:26]
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jurov i have urology exam scheduled, but no way that would arrive on time [16:27]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/zRqQ0ls [16:28]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [16:28]
nubbins` urologist would just get real on ya ^ [16:28]
nubbins` i think we only have small and medium left anyway [16:28]
jurov wao-ender: you don't want one for gf? :D [16:29]
wao-ender lol [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0008635 = 6.5626 BTC [-] [16:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.523 BTC [+] [16:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524699 = 1.5741 BTC [+] [16:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5247 BTC [+] [16:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00493709 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {5} [16:33]
davout such surgery [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167978 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2} [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10160001 BTC [-] [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00494731 = 0.4947 BTC [+] {3} [16:34]
nubbins` so cut [16:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 618 @ 0.00057075 = 0.3527 BTC [+] {2} [16:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1016 = 0.2032 BTC [-] [16:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52479733 = 7.872 BTC [+] {2} [16:35]
davout many pain [16:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00564999 = 0.3164 BTC [+] {2} [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] [16:37]
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ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [16:41]
gribble Current Blocks: 288118 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3794274722.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.23937 [16:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524999 = 1.575 BTC [+] [16:42]
ThickAsThieves gonna be a another nailbiter http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ [16:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524 = 1.572 BTC [-] [16:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] [16:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00581326 = 0.4186 BTC [+] {3} [16:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00574999 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3} [16:48]
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chetty http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-bitcoin-mt-gox-20140227,0,6907789.story#axzz2uWqaE2uJ [16:49]
ozbot Let investors ride out bitcoin's booms and busts - latimes.com [16:49]
mircea_popescu not bad [16:49]
kakobrekla what the shit [16:50]
kakobrekla http://www.auroracoin.org/? [16:50]
ozbot auroracoin [16:50]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it. [16:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11729617 = 1.4076 BTC [-] {4} [16:51]
kakobrekla ah [16:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00578998 = 0.8106 BTC [+] {3} [16:53]
mircea_popescu http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx530c25bd.jpg << how little do they know [16:54]
ThickAsThieves kako https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/439019328441438208 [16:54]
kakobrekla i think you fucked up tat, you should do 100% premine next time. [16:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086684 = 29.5592 BTC [+] [16:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.524999 BTC [+] [16:55]
mircea_popescu can you even do 100% premine ? [16:56]
kakobrekla why not? [16:56]
ThickAsThieves well [16:56]
ThickAsThieves how do you maintain the ledger? [16:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [-] {3} [16:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] [16:56]
kakobrekla but with network txes ofc [16:57]
kakobrekla you can arbitrarily add those if ya wanna [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00577999 = 0.5086 BTC [-] [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0621 = 0.1242 BTC [+] [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10160001 = 0.2032 BTC [+] [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] [16:58]
mircea_popescu still new blocks will have a reward neh ? [16:58]
kakobrekla not if you do a 100% premine [16:58]
kakobrekla :p [16:58]
mircea_popescu but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward [16:58]
kakobrekla until its less than 1 satoshi? [16:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06246363 = 0.6871 BTC [+] {2} [16:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1131 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+] [16:59]
mircea_popescu can it even be < 1 satoshi ? [16:59]
mircea_popescu not afaik [16:59]
kakobrekla afaik it goes to 0 [16:59]
ThickAsThieves core devs will save us either way [17:00]
mircea_popescu afaik it goes to 1 [17:00]
pankkake I think the reward is rounded, and it should end up rounded to zero [17:01]
pankkake not that it will matter [17:01]
pankkake doge will save us anyway [17:01]
kakobrekla atc if not doge [17:01]
Jere_Jones Bitcoin is setup so that the coin generation will go to 0. Rewards will come from transaction fees. [17:01]
ThickAsThieves The Year 3000 Bug [17:01]
kakobrekla and vitalik if not atc [17:01]
pankkake atc goes to zero too [17:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10610101 BTC [-] [17:02]
pankkake but bernankoin doesn't! [17:02]
mircea_popescu i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so [17:02]
ThickAsThieves i s that when core devs learn to read the code? [17:03]
jurov maybe sooner... btc can easily have Y2038 bug [17:03]
nubbins` honestly [17:03]
nubbins` i'm starting a list [17:03]
Jere_Jones https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply [17:03]
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nubbins` of "graphic designers" who can't be fucked to do their jobs properly [17:03]
Jere_Jones Block 6930000 will have 0 new coins. [17:04]
jurov in 2038 it overflows and starts issuing million btc per block [17:04]
jurov yay [17:04]
nubbins` some guy in a band contacts me to print some CD inserts [17:04]
dexX7_ http://live.reuters.com/Event/Janet_Yellens_Congressional_testimony this woman was listed in the letter of the "ban bitcoin senator" ... is this related? [17:04]
ozbot Janet Yellen's Senate Banking Committee Testimony | Reuters.com [17:04]
nubbins` he sends along the whole re:re:re:re:re:re:re: email chain from his designer, where i find out he paid this person $250 to design a couple of shitty inserts [17:04]
nubbins` and they're not even the right size. [17:04]
nubbins` how bad do you have to be at your job to not even bother researching the dimensions of the thing you're making? [17:05]
ThickAsThieves lol nubbins` good luck [17:05]
kakobrekla http://yanukovychleaks.org [17:05]
nubbins` i'm not fixing it, just told him [17:05]
ThickAsThieves gd is the new blue collar derp job [17:05]
nubbins` it really is [17:05]
ThickAsThieves that and "producer" [17:05]
nubbins` he wants to pay a "graphic" "designer" to make something, he can pay them to fix their mistakes [17:05]
nubbins` seriously, the back CD insert is a centimeter and a half too short. [17:06]
ThickAsThieves reflect the adjacent centimeter and send a proof [17:06]
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ThickAsThieves or stretch it, even more likely to be approved [17:07]
ThickAsThieves of course your sould will die a little [17:07]
ThickAsThieves soul* [17:07]
nubbins` nah, i'm not being paid to dick with graphics, i'm being paid to print them [17:07]
nubbins` no free lunch [17:07]
kakobrekla lemme slander it for you [17:07]
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Duffer1 dexX7 not likely [17:09]
Duffer1 dexX7 but she is vice chair of the federal reserve so if she mentions bitcoin at all it would likely be interesting [17:10]
ThickAsThieves you'll see yellen's name all over the place she's the new fed chair [17:10]
ThickAsThieves white dove, they call her [17:12]
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ThickAsThieves they also love calling her "dovish" [17:12]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? << depends on the exact sense wanted. [17:16]
asciilifeform if the 'seal' is connected to a burglar alarm, and a tripped alarm means a platoon of soldiers showing up in 30 sec., then sure. [17:16]
asciilifeform and even then it's not a sure bet. [17:17]
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mircea_popescu i don't get it tho [17:19]
mircea_popescu epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything. [17:19]
mircea_popescu either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up. [17:19]
mircea_popescu what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ? [17:19]
asciilifeform the seal is for inspectors. the epoxy is there against the 'owner.' [17:19]
mircea_popescu but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item [17:20]
asciilifeform it is so i need a shoebox full of these phones, rather than 1 or 2, to extract whatever turd may be of interest therein. [17:20]
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asciilifeform presumably the whole thing isn't potted [17:20]
asciilifeform there are 'sim' sockets, and antennae [17:20]
asciilifeform and perhaps other connectors [17:20]
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mircea_popescu i guess it'd have to be [17:21]
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asciilifeform their open declaration 'this priceless gem must never fall into the hands of the public' is simply begging for it. [17:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: potting in epoxy is so very '70s [17:23]
asciilifeform it went out of style, as i understand - because it mostly just annoys people [17:24]
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asciilifeform the Votrax voice synth that unix 'speak' utility was meant for, was, if i recall, potted [17:25]
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asciilifeform it was a cheap trick management insisted on, somewhat like modern copyprotection [17:25]
asciilifeform not that it can't be used to some effect - ibm crypto card had potting with a kind of conductive mesh, that when broken would lose SRAM [17:27]
asciilifeform and if i recall, some current anti-personnel mines have the detonator and anti-handling device (gyro) 'potted' in the main charge. [17:27]
asciilifeform main problem is: unless you (owner) personally wrapped the mesh and poured the epoxy, the device is a 'jail not a castle' [17:28]
asciilifeform because you then do not know what is inside. [17:28]
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asciilifeform you (on the outside) are in the jail. [17:28]
asciilifeform 'are you inside or outside of a klein bottle?' [17:28]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does... [17:36]
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ThickAsThieves https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-02-27-Letter-to-Senator-Manchin.pdf [17:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here [17:37]
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mircea_popescu (methylene chloride) [17:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'state of the art' is epoxy poured over a widget having bridges made of conductive epoxy, with ordinary epoxy poured over [17:38]
asciilifeform that dissolve together [17:38]
mircea_popescu i guess. [17:39]
asciilifeform this is not a show-stopper, it just means that you need to work at it. [17:39]
asciilifeform (hence shoebox full of identical victims) [17:39]
mircea_popescu if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy... [17:40]
mircea_popescu but anyway. [17:40]
asciilifeform i think their 'hopes' rest with the price tag [17:40]
asciilifeform and controlled supply chain [17:40]
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mircea_popescu and for the annals of twitter lolz : [17:41]
mircea_popescu Julian Sanchez @normative · 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo … [17:41]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women. [17:41]
mircea_popescu Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate. [17:41]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean. [17:41]
mircea_popescu Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really. [17:41]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then. [17:41]
mike_c mircea_popescu: you mind if we crib your screenshots to start a screenshot page on eulorum? [17:43]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/zJ15xMh [17:44]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [17:44]
* nubbins` chuckles [17:44]
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mircea_popescu mike_c not rly [17:46]
mircea_popescu course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey... [17:46]
mike_c k. they will be credited to trilema. [17:46]
mircea_popescu apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought [17:46]
mike_c yeah, that is the hope [17:46]
mircea_popescu you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh [17:47]
mircea_popescu i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually. [17:47]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ? [17:47]
nubbins` milkless saqs [17:47]
nubbins` those aren't tits, it's a nutsack with nipples [17:48]
mircea_popescu hm [17:48]
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mircea_popescu omfg my spam [17:49]
mircea_popescu had special characters [17:49]
mircea_popescu doesn't show in the log [17:49]
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nubbins` noooo [17:49]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how tough it is to compile on linux [17:50]
mircea_popescu not very. [17:51]
jurov depends [17:51]
jurov i gave up [17:51]
mircea_popescu but you all use iphones or w/e [17:51]
mircea_popescu jurov o srsly ? what happened ? [17:51]
jurov segfault and no debug symbols [17:51]
jurov so i embarked on compiling crystalstuff [17:51]
jurov and failed [17:51]
nubbins` which CS? [17:52]
nubbins` i used 2.1 latest snapshot [17:52]
jurov i tried both latest and the revision chetty gave me [17:52]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: TBF most of the trouble i had was related to osx-specific code [17:52]
nubbins` what sort of problems did you run into w/ your compile? [17:53]
mircea_popescu jurov cs failed the compile ? [17:53]
jurov yes. gentoo does have cs 2.0 and it compiles, maybe sometime i'll research by what magic [17:53]
nubbins` i think 2.1 is required [17:53]
jurov i just had enough [17:53]
jurov nubs yes thats the problem [17:54]
mircea_popescu yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface [17:54]
mircea_popescu cause no cs [17:54]
jurov then i noticed cs shipped with eulora 0.0.1 links dorectly to ati proprietary driver [17:54]
nubbins` CS itself requires a bunch of libraries to be installed, but the report produced at the end of ./configure lists what's there and what's not [17:54]
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mike_c i tried a couple different versions of ati drivers but can't stop segfaulting either. [17:54]
nubbins` ah [17:55]
nubbins` this macbook has, i think, nvidia [17:55]
jurov just don't know what to dowith it [17:55]
nubbins` nod [17:55]
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nubbins` i gave up compiling earlier versions, decided i had a vested interest in getting this to work, buckled down [17:56]
chetty looks like upgrading my development system threw a few curves :( [17:56]
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nubbins` jurov FWIW there's a ton of info out there on random CS compilation issues from older versions, some of it is still relevant [17:57]
nubbins` just a bit of a slog sorting through the error logs etc [17:58]
jurov yes i found some, killed few hours with no avail [17:58]
mike_c we need eulora to run easier to boost ATC prices! [17:58]
nubbins` mike_c: what?! [17:58]
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mike_c haha [17:59]
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chetty there is a #crystalspace channel might get some help there [17:59]
nubbins` WAIT FUCK IT'S A WIKI THAT WON'T WORK [17:59]
jurov ok, some other day [17:59]
mike_c luckily i control the database :) [17:59]
nubbins` ;D [17:59]
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mircea_popescu so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ? [18:00]
nubbins` pascale runs ubuntu, i might take a stab at it over the weekend [18:00]
jurov just do ldd on the .so, you'll see [18:00]
nubbins` meantime, i need to figure out why my keyboard input doesn't get redirected to the gui [18:00]
nubbins` just shows up in the terminal window from which the gui is launched [18:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you on x ? [18:01]
nubbins` yep [18:01]
mircea_popescu this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation [18:01]
nubbins` mouse clicks get picked up [18:01]
nubbins` wait, sorry [18:01]
mircea_popescu any x app can pick the kbd [18:01]
nubbins` i'm not on x [18:01]
mircea_popescu oh [18:01]
mircea_popescu well what are you on ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu o wait you had osx ? [18:02]
nubbins` nod [18:02]
mircea_popescu did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do [18:02]
nubbins` x on osx is called xquartz (gets launched when i run gimp, inkscape, etc) [18:03]
nubbins` but when i run ./psclient from terminal, gui window opens up without the help of xquarts [18:03]
nubbins` *xquartz [18:03]
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kakobrekla http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo [18:04]
ozbot GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide | World news | theguardian.com [18:04]
nubbins` i know nothing of the internals involved there, tho [18:04]
nubbins` more research needed [18:04]
nubbins` fyi, i'll be buttering you up for more stock warrants if i end up maintaining osx releases ;D [18:05]
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bitcoinpete ahoy [18:08]
nubbins` avast [18:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla YES [18:09]
mircea_popescu that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log! [18:09]
kakobrekla lol. [18:10]
mircea_popescu can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu rather than whole line failing ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu it's driving me nuts [18:10]
kakobrekla no clue [18:10]
kakobrekla lol [18:10]
kakobrekla ill take a look at some point [18:10]
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bitcoinpete now I understand why ThickAsThieves was asking about me... [18:11]
bitcoinpete He read my last blog and left a comment because I mentioned Neo [18:11]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/#comments [18:11]
ozbot The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete [18:11]
Duffer1 ya saw that hehe [18:11]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ? [18:12]
kakobrekla already 4 articles on that blog, not bad [18:12]
mircea_popescu ah i see not. [18:12]
kakobrekla more than i ever produced. [18:12]
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nubbins` bitcoinpete lel [18:13]
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bitcoinpete Maybe I didn't need to mention Neo… but it's been hyped enough of late. Makes the article seem up with the times. [18:14]
mike_c don't back down! [18:14]
mircea_popescu eh dun sweat it. [18:14]
bitcoinpete I'm not, I understand the implication I made [18:15]
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mike_c that's what comments are for anyway, to debate the post. TaT got his word in. [18:15]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:15]
bitcoinpete mmhmm [18:16]
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bitcoinpete I've got another article in the pipeline about patience [18:18]
nubbins` http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/1616201/quebec-language-police-target-store-owners-facebook-page [18:18]
ozbot Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page - Slashdot [18:19]
pankkake ils sont fous ces québécois [18:19]
nubbins` oui ;( [18:20]
nubbins` j'ai vécu au Québec pour un été [18:20]
nubbins` endroit étrange [18:21]
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Apocalyptic nubbins speak french heh [18:21]
Apocalyptic +s [18:21]
nubbins` i'm canadian [18:21]
nubbins` obv [18:21]
nubbins` you only speak one language?! [18:21]
Apocalyptic I speak 4 [18:22]
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nubbins` and french isn't one of them? [18:22]
nubbins` :0 [18:22]
Apocalyptic it is, why ? [18:22]
nubbins` not sure where your "heh" came from :D [18:23]
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Apocalyptic was just genuinely surprised [18:23]
nubbins` ah [18:23]
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mike_c ^ bitcoinpete drives down neo stock [18:23]
nubbins` anyway, pankkake might argue that i don't speak "french" at all [18:23]
nubbins` but a bastardized derivation thereof [18:23]
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bitcoinpete mice_c ha! ce n'est pas ma faute! [18:24]
mircea_popescu wait is it french day again ? [18:24]
Apocalyptic seems like it [18:25]
nubbins` non [18:25]
bitcoinpete it is in bruxelles [18:25]
nubbins` ANGLAIS SEULEMENT SVP [18:25]
bitcoinpete my god their french is lovely here [18:25]
asciilifeform re: 'GCHQ intercepted webcam images' << goes great with the well-known fact that most laptop cameras have software-controlled activity lights. [18:25]
mircea_popescu maybe not so well known [18:25]
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asciilifeform (this is one of those things that actually costs something, and is in no conceivable case an accident) [18:25]
mike_c http://eyebloc.com/ [18:25]
ozbot Eyebloc Webcam Cover - Webcam Blocker as Seen on Shark Tank [18:25]
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nubbins` eyebloc prevents your lid from closing [18:26]
nubbins` why not use a sticker? [18:26]
asciilifeform why not open the damn thing up and unplug it [18:26]
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mike_c cuz consumerism [18:26]
pankkake so you can remove it, I guess [18:26]
nubbins` open up a macbook? what are you, new? ;( [18:26]
asciilifeform it's virtually always an ordinary usb device with a non-standard plug [18:26]
nubbins` pankkake: piece of tape with a piece of paper in the middle of the sticky side [18:27]
nubbins` AS SEEN ON SHARK TANK [18:28]
nubbins` AS SEEN ON TV [18:28]
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nubbins` do they even have a product? i can't find it amongst all the SHARK TANK logos [18:28]
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asciilifeform incidentally, winblows camera trojans are old hat. [18:29]
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mircea_popescu gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow. [18:30]
wao-ender v0v, that krym politics [18:30]
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wao-ender there will be referendum for autonomy? [18:30]
mircea_popescu ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker, [18:30]
mircea_popescu how much did the author make from rights so far ? [18:31]
nubbins` $20 [18:31]
mircea_popescu more [18:31]
bitcoinpete 1 million [18:31]
mircea_popescu less [18:31]
asciilifeform 1k [18:31]
mircea_popescu more [18:31]
nubbins` 50k [18:31]
mircea_popescu right [18:31]
nubbins` cheated ;( [18:31]
mircea_popescu 4 questions. smartypants. [18:31]
mircea_popescu awww [18:31]
mircea_popescu fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore [18:32]
asciilifeform i think that's close to the exact sum, in modern usd, that tolkien was paid for his books. [18:32]
mike_c "The cartoon marks a notable moment in the history of the Internet. Once the exclusive domain of government engineers and academics, the Internet was now a subject of discussion in general interest magazines like The New Yorker." [18:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn [18:32]
mike_c bitcoin is already there i guess [18:32]
thestringpuller why you hatin' on harry potter? [18:33]
nubbins` in bitcoin, nobody knows you're a derp [18:33]
thestringpuller is that really necessary? [18:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0053 = 0.6625 BTC [-] [18:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy. [18:33]
benkay hey thestringpuller i found your new shoes [18:34]
benkay strin [18:34]
nubbins` nothing wrong with pulp [18:34]
benkay http://www.zumiez.com/dc-villain-le-wheat-black-slippers.html [18:34]
ozbot DC Villain LE Wheat & Black Slippers at Zumiez : PDP [18:34]
nubbins` consider that HP inspired a generation of kids to fall in love with books [18:34]
nubbins` that's a net positive [18:34]
asciilifeform i recall reading that H.P. was sort of like mtgox [18:35]
asciilifeform in that it was picked for the 'slot' by media mouthpieces [18:35]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:35]
mircea_popescu i dunno that it "did" anything [18:35]
mircea_popescu it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way [18:35]
benkay hp was great in that it gave pretty 13 year old girls something different to run their mouths about [18:35]
asciilifeform there is this old custom in the u.s., of 'crowning' some nobody [18:36]
mircea_popescu different than what ? [18:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done [18:36]
benkay lacrosse at our school [18:36]
mircea_popescu rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars. [18:36]
benkay probably mtv elsewhere [18:36]
asciilifeform $1b is never given to a nobody, it is only lent. [18:36]
asciilifeform just like lottery winners [18:36]
Apocalyptic unless it's in bitcoins [18:37]
asciilifeform it eventually comes back to where it must, like water [18:37]
benkay even so, Apocalyptic [18:37]
MisterE http://thingsthatarecheaperthanwhatsapp.tumblr.com/ [18:37]
ozbot Things that are cheaper than whatsapp [18:37]
bitcoinpete LHC, whoa [18:37]
benkay i soliloquized on the benefits of the gox coins ending up in the hands of humans who undertsand how coins work instead of gox' or their customers last night [18:38]
benkay went over like a charm [18:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00086839 = 30.3068 BTC [+] {3} [18:38]
mike_c if only gox traded bernankoin those poor souls could be made whole. [18:38]
Apocalyptic benkay, you may have a point [18:39]
asciilifeform MisterE: re: 'things cheaper than' << think about what would happen if the folks with the funny money actually bought 38 million cows or whatnot [18:39]
asciilifeform it's rather like the $MAXINT account on gox [18:39]
mike_c but the cow dealer might not take most of the money in facebook stock like whatsapp did. [18:40]
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benkay Apocalyptic: i'm a bit of a pariah among locals in bitcoin right now due to the glee i exhibited over the past 4 months in their demise. my only consolation is that the derps will turn over, as they do here. it just seems to be slower around here, mostly i think 'cause people lack any sort of hustle in these parts. [18:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation [18:40]
kakobrekla the only thing you can do with that much cow is ipcc extortion [18:40]
mircea_popescu so as to inflate away the property rights acquired [18:41]
benkay Apocalyptic: of course, saying "you don't deserve your coins" yields a quick ticket to the edge of the desert [18:41]
asciilifeform more mundanely, the money would buy perhaps 10,000 cows. [18:41]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8l85yDkWy1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [18:42]
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benkay nerds :( [18:45]
benkay "a naked lay-dee!" [18:45]
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mircea_popescu mhm. [18:46]
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benkay jurov mircea_popescu you are both right as always about physics stuffs [18:49]
benkay but! [18:49]
benkay actually no buts [18:49]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:49]
mircea_popescu what did i do nao [18:49]
benkay .bait [18:49]
ozbot http://assets.tumblr.com/images/copyright_500.png [18:50]
kakobrekla such asset [18:50]
mircea_popescu what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be [18:50]
benkay "licker of new penises" [18:50]
jurov mircea_popescu: it was the inflatable dick stretching to sea floor [18:51]
mircea_popescu o ic [18:51]
mircea_popescu so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores [18:51]
mircea_popescu ie the camwhores that do voice customer support. [18:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005205 = 0.1562 BTC [-] [18:51]
asciilifeform 'phonewalla' (as described in film 'slumdog millionaire') [18:52]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu I've looked at the code that calculates the max coinbase out and it does indeed calculate a subsidy of 0 for blocks 6930000 and greater. I can explain it line by line if you like. [18:52]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ? [18:53]
Jere_Jones Yes [18:53]
mircea_popescu well then i give [18:53]
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pankkake you can already make a block with 0 now [18:54]
Jere_Jones ConnectBlock is the function that verifies a block. It only ensures that the value out of the first transaction is not greater than a calculated value. One would expect 0 to not be greater than. [18:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00495599 = 3.0975 BTC [-] {3} [18:54]
jurov lol mining such blocks would be a good way to rile everyone up [18:55]
mircea_popescu i got nothin'! [18:55]
Jere_Jones That would destroy coins since the fees would disappear. [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086493 = 2.9408 BTC [-] {2} [18:55]
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Jere_Jones Wow. Extrapolating that to absurd means you could destroy every single bitcoin. The blockchain could have a grand total of 0 satoshis spendable. [18:57]
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Jere_Jones I imagine that long before that could happen there would be some code added to ensure the coinbase adds up to the fees in order to prevent that. [18:58]
benkay Jere_Jones: would you link somewhere near this in the source? [18:58]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't be 0, [18:58]
mircea_popescu it'd be current total base [18:58]
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Jere_Jones benkay https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1093 [18:59]
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Jere_Jones The not greater than check is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1738 [19:00]
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mircea_popescu >>= is that right bitshift ? [19:02]
asciilifeform yes. [19:02]
Jere_Jones yes. 0 fill bitshift [19:02]
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mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded. [19:05]
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jurov when did it invade eastern europe? [19:06]
asciilifeform jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War [19:06]
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asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mark_in_Arkhangelsk_RU.JPG [19:09]
asciilifeform epic translation fail [19:09]
asciilifeform 'English: Mark V female tank in Arkhangelsk' [19:09]
benkay http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/normcore-fashion-trend.html [19:11]
mircea_popescu lol [19:13]
pankkake benkay: burn them all [19:13]
mircea_popescu anyway : janet yellen yields to trilema [19:14]
mircea_popescu "fed has no authority in btc" [19:14]
bitcoinpete boom [19:15]
benkay no but wait she doesn't matter we must consult the forumoracles [19:15]
benkay (buttcoin fumaroles) [19:15]
mircea_popescu yeah right, who is she [19:15]
mircea_popescu hasn't even done an ama or anything. [19:15]
benkay yeah gosh doesn't she know bitcoin is a people power movement? [19:16]
benkay never going to get anywhere with this elitest fiat attitude... [19:16]
nubbins` people power [19:17]
bitcoinpete speaking of the fed, mircea_popescu, I've been looking for that line in the logs about the world having its Zimbabwe moment from 2010-2014 and not even knowing it. That's classic. Do you remember when it was or have a link? [19:17]
nubbins` PPLP [19:17]
asciilifeform in other news, 'flir' camera for the proles. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454119,00.asp [19:17]
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nubbins` ppl(W/T) [19:17]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962 [19:18]
bitcoinpete gratzi [19:18]
benkay asciilifeform: my limited intel sez flir's having a hard time [19:18]
benkay ergo consumer devices? [19:18]
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asciilifeform $1k longwave IR viewers are old hat [19:19]
asciilifeform plenty of electronics hobbyists own them [19:19]
asciilifeform usually 10x10 pixels or so, but that's enough to find thermal faults [19:20]
nubbins` http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/ [19:20]
nubbins` lel [19:20]
ozbot WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine [19:20]
nubbins` i think she meant to say "that purports to be from our staff", but w/e [19:20]
nubbins` also, -1 for tip address at bottom of article [19:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936 [19:21]
nubbins` haha [19:21]
mircea_popescu the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold. [19:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5449 = 1.0898 BTC [+] [19:24]
Korbman anybody from the US get a call from the SEC today / recently? [19:25]
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kakobrekla arent you from HL? [19:26]
Korbman on HL, yes, but it wasn't about me they wanted to talk about [19:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086792 = 4.7736 BTC [+] {2} [19:27]
Duffer1 ukyo/burnside? [19:27]
Korbman SatoshiDice and MPEx [19:28]
Duffer1 fascinating [19:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 164 @ 0.00476003 = 0.7806 BTC [+] [19:28]
nubbins` huh. interesting! [19:28]
Korbman indeed, and surprising [19:28]
Apocalyptic huh indeed [19:28]
Duffer1 vorhees and popescu then [19:29]
Apocalyptic next thing we know they're coming to Timisoara [19:29]
nubbins` twist: they're hosting the conference [19:29]
mike_c what did they want to know? [19:29]
Apocalyptic haha nubbins` [19:29]
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Duffer1 probably if they had US customers/investors [19:29]
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* nubbins` pops corn [19:29]
Korbman they were wondering if I held any shares of Dice on MPEx, who any PT operators were, and if I received payments (dividends) [19:30]
Korbman Duffer1: my thoughts exactly [19:30]
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Duffer1 they're in for an unpleasant time if they thing their cock size will impress Mircea lol [19:31]
Duffer1 think* [19:31]
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mike_c did they seem to be aware that dice is no longer listed? [19:31]
Duffer1 did they ask you not to mention anything Korbman? [19:32]
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nubbins` Duffer1, SEC lurks here, so i hope not [19:33]
Korbman mike_c: seemed that way, but they didn't divulge much on what's going on [19:33]
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Korbman Duffer1: there wasn't any explicit indication that it was to be private [19:33]
Duffer1 i see [19:34]
Korbman or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P [19:34]
Apocalyptic good answer [19:34]
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* nubbins` divests [19:35]
Duffer1 welcome SEC, say hello [19:35]
nubbins` Duffer1: cock size, maybe not. extradition order, maybe so. [19:35]
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deadweasel lol, how do you think romania would respond to such? [19:35]
nubbins` http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/three-members-of-international-cyber-fraud-ring-extradited-from-romania-to-the-united-states [19:35]
ozbot FBI — Three Members of International Cyber Fraud Ring Extradited from Romania to the United States [19:35]
nubbins` ^ that's how [19:35]
deadweasel well shit [19:35]
Apocalyptic one mircea is among them [19:36]
nubbins` last name [19:36]
BingoBoingo Eh, There's always Somalia [19:36]
Apocalyptic true [19:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` derp. [19:36]
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nubbins` hey, all i do is opine and link [19:36]
nubbins` "The Bucharest Appeals Court ordered the extraditions of Mircea, Pieptea, and Simion on February 2, 2013. The defendants were subsequently transported to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned on March 27, 2013." [19:37]
mircea_popescu aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ? [19:37]
nubbins` seems so [19:37]
mircea_popescu ya they were [19:37]
mircea_popescu As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th [19:37]
mircea_popescu e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships. [19:37]
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nubbins` anyway, point is that if the usa wants to extradite someone from a foreign country and provides even a tenuous reason for doing so, there's no reason to think said country won't comply [19:39]
asciilifeform so much for sovereignty? [19:39]
nubbins` hm, would the verb be "intradite" in that sense? is that even a word? [19:39]
nubbins` asciilifeform, what are you, new? [19:39]
nubbins` ;( [19:39]
mircea_popescu it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory. [19:39]
asciilifeform although it is possible that Ro gave them up voluntarily [19:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol [19:40]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: they extradited a canadian national a couple of years ago who mailed marijuana seeds from canada to the usa [19:40]
Duffer1 what circumstances would allow for an extradition [19:40]
nubbins` that's hardly even a crime here. previous record for harshest punishment was a $200 fine. [19:40]
KRS-One o7 sturles teh goxcoin billionaire [19:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that may be canada's problem [19:40]
mircea_popescu fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really [19:41]
benkay aight davout you got another? [19:41]
nubbins` may be your problem soon enough [19:41]
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nubbins` but like i said, all i do is opine and link :) [19:41]
mircea_popescu sure, why not. [19:41]
mircea_popescu i' [19:42]
mircea_popescu ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it. [19:42]
nubbins` gives you an excuse to wear a suit [19:42]
nubbins` ;D [19:42]
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mircea_popescu and publicly humiliate people. [19:42]
mircea_popescu supposedly i'm good at that. [19:43]
nubbins` "your honor, the prosecution cannot bear the continued humiliation, and therefore withdraws all charges" [19:43]
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mircea_popescu now that'd suck. [19:44]
mircea_popescu you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise. [19:44]
nubbins` well yeah, nothing would get resolved! [19:44]
mircea_popescu "your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree" [19:44]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/RtCUqDy [19:44]
ozbot Woman in Scotland fills out the wrong form on TripAdvisor. Is now ranked 87 o [19:44]
chatquack Is https://bitbook.biz/ dead? :( [19:45]
Duffer1 never heard of it [19:45]
chatquack ...sports betting site... [19:45]
chatquack Was, anyway... [19:45]
BingoBoingo chatquack: Maybe, official story is prolongued DDoS, wouldn't be their first [19:45]
chatquack Ahhh ok! [19:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it. [19:46]
chatquack I wanted to see how that tennis match turned out. [19:46]
mircea_popescu not a negotiable thing. [19:46]
BingoBoingo chatquack: Not very confident in them going forward. [19:46]
chatquack That makes me a sad panda. [19:47]
mircea_popescu got a lot there ? [19:47]
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chatquack Naw... Just a few cents [19:47]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPnBs5TwD4 [19:47]
ozbot Performance By Chesty La Rue and Chow Mein From Harlettes Monster Mash 7 - YouTube [19:47]
mircea_popescu amateurz/noobz/lulz [19:48]
mircea_popescu o and boobz. [19:48]
chatquack Ha! Monster mash [19:48]
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chatquack Is she drinking gin? [19:49]
mircea_popescu water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember. [19:49]
chatquack mmmmmm ta ta's [19:49]
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chatquack oh, looks like a jager bottle [19:50]
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Duffer1 i look forward to the SEC comedy hour, have they set a date/time MP? [19:53]
ThickAsThieves so SEC probly pursuing Erik [19:53]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 next week sometime. [19:53]
mircea_popescu and i set the dates. [19:54]
Duffer1 ^.^ i hope i'm awake for it [19:54]
kakobrekla tat or MP, but we will see that if and when SEC joins the chan [19:54]
Duffer1 why Erik though s.dice was sold [19:54]
Apocalyptic would definitely be popcorn time [19:54]
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nubbins` ugh, someone was chewing bubble gum the other day and it reminded me of Jager bombs [19:55]
nubbins` almost threw up [19:55]
chatquack ugh [19:55]
ThickAsThieves maybe because/how/whether SDICE was sold [19:55]
mircea_popescu myeah. [19:56]
kakobrekla but the proceeds ended up on gox, so there. [19:56]
Duffer1 did blockchain buy it or is that a partnership? [19:56]
mircea_popescu lol [19:56]
Duffer1 ver has shilled for gox before.. [19:56]
mircea_popescu poor sec people tbh. [19:56]
mircea_popescu i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning, [19:57]
asciilifeform incidentally, now might be a good time to learn that russian passport can (if certain laws currently under consideration pass) be had for about 300K usd. [19:57]
mircea_popescu before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't, [19:57]
mircea_popescu now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems [19:58]
mircea_popescu being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in. [19:58]
dexX7 now is the time to tell. were you the unknown buyer of sd? ;) [19:58]
mircea_popescu nah. [19:58]
mircea_popescu what, that was actually a thing ? [19:59]
dexX7 "nah i won't tell" or "nah, i was not"? [19:59]
mircea_popescu i'd have announced it if i was. [19:59]
mircea_popescu nah i was not. [19:59]
Duffer1 that's part of my question yesterday, can there physically exist a bureaucracy capable of "regulating" bitcoin? [19:59]
dexX7 well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly [19:59]
mircea_popescu someone srsly thought i was ? [19:59]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine [19:59]
Duffer1 i can't imagine the amount of resources it would take [19:59]
mircea_popescu by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on. [20:00]
Duffer1 but even then if the miners disagree with that group... [20:00]
mircea_popescu that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on" [20:00]
mircea_popescu miners can;t disagree with that. [20:00]
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ThickAsThieves well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly /// was a guess between me and Occam [20:01]
ThickAsThieves although Occam forgot to tell me an even more likely buyer was Erik [20:01]
Duffer1 so are they going to offer you a job then MP? [20:01]
mircea_popescu how are they in the position to offer me a job ?! [20:02]
diametric haha some idiot bought USD$5,000 worth of Goxbtc yesterday morning [20:02]
mircea_popescu what do i get paid in, usg stock ? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves King of US [20:02]
dexX7 as self proclaimed regulator of teh bitcoins [20:02]
Duffer1 from their perspective they might believe they are i mean [20:02]
mircea_popescu but i dun wanna be king of us. [20:02]
ThickAsThieves Kinf of the Werld? [20:02]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working [20:02]
ThickAsThieves g [20:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves well you want somnthing [20:03]
mircea_popescu that's the catch lol [20:03]
mircea_popescu i don't. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves when'd your funeral? [20:03]
mircea_popescu hm ? [20:03]
ThickAsThieves lame joke, ignore [20:04]
mircea_popescu ya but what does it mean [20:04]
ThickAsThieves nothing to live for [20:04]
ThickAsThieves kill urself [20:04]
ThickAsThieves when is funeral [20:04]
ThickAsThieves you already beat the game [20:04]
ThickAsThieves now do hard mode [20:04]
mircea_popescu lol [20:05]
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mircea_popescu what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl [20:05]
mircea_popescu just a lot moar zen. [20:05]
mircea_popescu but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ? [20:06]
mircea_popescu cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see [20:06]
mircea_popescu "your honor, may i just say derp" [20:06]
ThickAsThieves no fun hunting dudes out of the spotlight [20:06]
ThickAsThieves they are headhunting bitcoin jesuses first [20:06]
mircea_popescu oic. [20:07]
ThickAsThieves maybe a bitbet "Bitcoin Apostles Sacrificed" At least 12 Bitcoin Talking Heads Get Charged in 2014 [20:08]
Duffer1 SEC if you're here there's a guy named Ken Slaughter operating somewhere in the U.S. midwest in desperate need of your attentions [20:08]
asciilifeform wake me up for the televised impalements. [20:09]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do [20:09]
Duffer1 indeed [20:10]
mircea_popescu not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e [20:10]
mircea_popescu and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline [20:11]
asciilifeform lol [20:11]
mircea_popescu so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit. [20:12]
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Duffer1 I wonder if they need a consultant, I accept bitcoin [20:13]
Duffer1 and lambos [20:13]
ThickAsThieves theyll have lambos to unload after they get through all the exchanges i guess [20:14]
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Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.0 [20:15]
ozbot Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others [20:15]
nubbins` i guess he wrote that in a text editor and then pasted it, hey? [20:16]
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diametric more of this guy [20:17]
diametric we should try to convince him we're all popescu [20:17]
diametric this channel is nothing but popescu, all day, errday. [20:18]
mircea_popescu it isn't ? [20:18]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.msg5409053#msg5409053 [20:18]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:18]
ozbot Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others [20:18]
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mircea_popescu for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011 [20:18]
mircea_popescu also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow [20:19]
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mircea_popescu ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck [20:19]
mircea_popescu but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff [20:19]
mircea_popescu am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ? [20:19]
Duffer1 sorry i've only been around since july ish [20:20]
mircea_popescu this is 2010-2011 stuffd [20:21]
mircea_popescu so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus. [20:21]
mircea_popescu he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio [20:21]
mircea_popescu studio as in, apartment. [20:21]
mircea_popescu together with his mentally retarded boyfriend [20:21]
mircea_popescu mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode [20:22]
mircea_popescu just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards. [20:22]
mircea_popescu that show was called the bitcoin show. [20:22]
mircea_popescu and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin [20:22]
mircea_popescu which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something. [20:22]
mircea_popescu http://buttcoin.org/the-fucked-up-people-of-bitcoin-and-bruce-wagners-predictable-thoughts-on-rape [20:23]
ozbot The fucked up people of bitcoin and Bruce Wagner's (predictable) thoughts on rape. - Buttcoin - The [20:23]
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mircea_popescu butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama. [20:23]
asciilifeform so, where's that coin now? [20:23]
mircea_popescu well... possibly in thailand. [20:23]
asciilifeform if unspent, sort of speaks against the 'no such thing as taint' hypothesis [20:23]
kakobrekla it ended up on gox [20:23]
mircea_popescu the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand [20:23]
mircea_popescu because child prostitutes are cheap there [20:23]
mircea_popescu it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot. [20:24]
mircea_popescu obviously nobody went, but still. [20:24]
kakobrekla yes that show was as terrible as it gets, sponsored by mtgox. [20:24]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it [20:24]
kakobrekla yes [20:24]
mircea_popescu yeah it's now coming back to me [20:25]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I << sample. [20:26]
ozbot The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube [20:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york [20:26]
mircea_popescu the shop went under. [20:26]
mircea_popescu it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that [20:26]
kakobrekla aha tradehill also sponsored them [20:27]
kakobrekla at least the linked ep. [20:27]
kakobrekla i guess gox gave up by ep 12 [20:28]
asciilifeform reminds me of an incident, many years ago, when i snarfed what what supposed to be a warez copy of a text on the programming language 'ruby'. turned out to be renamed 'ruby.avi', a cheap porn, entitled 'Ruby Breaks her Sybian.' [20:28]
mircea_popescu carpevm ahahaha [20:28]
mircea_popescu jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic [20:29]
mircea_popescu mezegrill that was it yea [20:29]
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kakobrekla o fuck me [20:30]
mircea_popescu noty [20:30]
kakobrekla i checked ep 1, no gox, ep 31, gox is sponsor [20:30]
mircea_popescu lol true professionals, tradehill. [20:31]
kakobrekla they sponsored him after they saw how shitty it is. [20:31]
mircea_popescu ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing [20:31]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit [20:31]
kakobrekla :D [20:31]
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benkay retail shops only start taking bitcoin when they're already circling the drain. [20:35]
benkay same story with the local 'bitcoin meetup' and its location. [20:35]
nubbins` KofC? [20:35]
benkay nubbins`: wat [20:36]
mircea_popescu benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure [20:36]
nubbins` knights of columbus [20:36]
mircea_popescu 2,111 views check that shit out. [20:37]
nubbins` like the legion, but different somehow [20:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be [20:37]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?" [20:40]
mircea_popescu ahaha [20:40]
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mircea_popescu i kinda miss the old days [20:40]
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mircea_popescu yayaya! [20:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/ [20:42]
mircea_popescu their last show is the shtylman show! [20:42]
kakobrekla o roman [20:42]
ThickAsThieves REMINDER: AM1, AM100, and the SMG passthrough will all be controlled by Havelock by March 1st, 2014. The underlying ASICMINER shares are already in the process of being transferred to 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd --- AMFund@havelockinvestments.com --- All AM1,AM100, and SMG(PT) transfer requests and related support requests should be sent to the Havelock from now on. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu (for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster) [20:42]
mircea_popescu worth a read. [20:42]
nubbins` so a friend of mine works at a pharmacy [20:42]
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nubbins` there's a big shortage of ritalin in canada right now [20:42]
nubbins` friend says work is "interesting" these days [20:43]
mircea_popescu aha ? [20:43]
nubbins` lots of strung-out freaks causing trouble [20:44]
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nubbins` apparently certain brands are better than others for snorting [20:44]
mircea_popescu people use ritalin as cocaine /> [20:44]
nubbins` yyyyyyyup. [20:45]
mircea_popescu but... why [20:45]
mircea_popescu "Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long." [20:45]
mircea_popescu ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ? [20:45]
mircea_popescu is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ? [20:46]
nubbins` guy definitely thinks monsters lurk in the shadows [20:46]
nubbins` regarding the "why" of snorting rits, it's because they're cheap as fuck [20:46]
mircea_popescu but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested [20:46]
mircea_popescu or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long [20:46]
ThickAsThieves he thinks youre thermos too [20:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos. [20:46]
nubbins` ritalin is one of the most abused prescription drugs in north america [20:47]
mircea_popescu nubbins` but it doesn't do anything [20:47]
nubbins` ...? [20:47]
mircea_popescu what the fuck does it do ? [20:47]
nubbins` it lights you up like a fucking christmas tree. [20:47]
mircea_popescu isn't it a depressant / [20:47]
nubbins` no, it's a stimulant [20:47]
mircea_popescu wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?! [20:48]
nubbins` calms kids down because it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them sit still [20:48]
ThickAsThieves it's how they do [20:48]
ThickAsThieves give hyper kids cocaine [20:48]
nubbins` when you snort it, tho, it makes lasers shoot out your eyes [20:48]
mircea_popescu uh [20:48]
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nubbins` well. i should say, it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them pay attention [20:49]
mircea_popescu o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine [20:49]
nubbins` nod [20:49]
asciilifeform https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=crtvw&reqid=1775455900212504529 [20:49]
ozbot CID 4158 Conformer [20:49]
asciilifeform vs [20:49]
asciilifeform https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=status&reqid=92713312008789119 [20:49]
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mircea_popescu so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument. [20:50]
asciilifeform just about any fast-acting dopamine reuptake inhibitor can substitute for cocaine [20:50]
mircea_popescu i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go. [20:50]
mircea_popescu basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first. [20:51]
ThickAsThieves oh snap! [20:51]
ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/ [20:51]
ozbot Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ [20:51]
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mircea_popescu "Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. " [20:51]
mircea_popescu perfect. [20:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D [20:52]
ThickAsThieves oh sorry [20:52]
nubbins` certain brands of ritalin are apparently better for snorting than others; the tell-tale sign of abuse is when a customer at the pharmacy asks what brand of ritalin they carry [20:52]
ThickAsThieves htought there's be more hype [20:52]
nubbins` occasionally, but not often, it's accompanied by a story about how such-and-such a brand gives them a rash, etc [20:52]
asciilifeform somebody teach these folks to dissolve & recrystallize. [20:52]
ThickAsThieves fuck is wrong with my brain [20:52]
ThickAsThieves i type like i have wires crossed [20:52]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves try ritalin [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform too much like work. [20:52]
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mircea_popescu wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security." [20:53]
nubbins` ^ lel [20:53]
nubbins` ikr? [20:53]
ThickAsThieves it wasnt me! [20:53]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone. [20:53]
asciilifeform phun phact: in the late '80s-early '90s, ussr had a meth problem - but most of the users brewed their own [20:53]
nubbins` smear campaign from topace [20:53]
asciilifeform because people had actual education [20:53]
nubbins` ;p [20:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem [20:53]
mircea_popescu because they don't. [20:53]
ThickAsThieves how do you put a shareholder in a security anyway? [20:53]
nubbins` mp, +1 [20:54]
nubbins` what this boils down to is that a well-educated populace is a populace that abuses high quality drugs [20:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt) [20:54]
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asciilifeform 'Lowest Pilotage' (pun on russian expression 'highest pilotage', meaning a trick performed by a true master of some craft) [20:55]
mircea_popescu i think i was at some performance of this thing [20:55]
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asciilifeform performance?! [20:56]
mircea_popescu yaya. [20:56]
mircea_popescu this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003 [20:56]
mircea_popescu in romania [20:56]
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mircea_popescu you know how middle class bitches get [20:56]
mircea_popescu all cultural and whatnot. [20:56]
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asciilifeform cultural!? [20:57]
asciilifeform woah [20:57]
mircea_popescu totally. [20:57]
BingoBoingo http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html [20:58]
ozbot The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Purpocylpse [20:58]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there. [21:00]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed. However now will the ratchets get their crunk on. [21:01]
ThickAsThieves who's fawn in here moiety? [21:01]
Duffer1 he talks like mircea [21:02]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_1.html [21:03]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income [21:03]
mircea_popescu probably worth a read since we're on it [21:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ? [21:04]
ThickAsThieves i could swear i saw her handle switch from Fawn once [21:04]
ThickAsThieves but my brain is glitchy [21:04]
Duffer1 "This is why you can't have nice things. Ever." maybe PR? lol [21:05]
ThickAsThieves fawn is someone posting lately in threads relevent to us [21:05]
mircea_popescu what is this sorcery [21:05]
ThickAsThieves thats what i'm trying to suss [21:06]
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Duffer1 the person you linked with the Rarities ref [21:06]
BingoBoingo http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2013/10/somabots-transform.html [21:06]
ozbot The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM [21:06]
mircea_popescu Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They aren’t meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because you’ll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough. [21:07]
mircea_popescu loller [21:07]
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ThickAsThieves dick [21:07]
mircea_popescu it is what it is, innit ? [21:08]
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nubbins` it's true, cough syrups should taste like goat anus [21:10]
ThickAsThieves i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again [21:10]
nubbins` phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better [21:11]
mircea_popescu "One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? " [21:11]
mircea_popescu actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s [21:11]
mircea_popescu it actually cured her. [21:12]
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thestringpuller lol bitcoin-assets on sizzurp [21:13]
thestringpuller benkay got dat drink in his cup [21:13]
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ThickAsThieves anyone can help me with syntax for pympex to transfer shares? [21:17]
mircea_popescu PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100 [21:18]
ThickAsThieves thx [21:18]
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ThickAsThieves nope [21:21]
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ThickAsThieves unknown coman 'oush' [21:21]
ThickAsThieves push [21:21]
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ThickAsThieves hmm i see a 'plain' command for sending strings as is [21:23]
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nubbins` better test it first ;D [21:25]
ThickAsThieves didnt work [21:25]
ThickAsThieves i'll get my friend to help i guess [21:26]
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jurov ThickAsThieves: it should be uppercase [21:29]
ThickAsThieves nope [21:29]
ThickAsThieves mpex PUSH [21:29]
ThickAsThieves uknown command [21:30]
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jurov can you show whole commandline (with redacted data if needed) [21:30]
jurov ? [21:30]
ThickAsThieves normally the syntax is such [21:33]
ThickAsThieves mpex stat [21:33]
ThickAsThieves mpex withdraw addy amount [21:33]
ThickAsThieves etc [21:33]
ThickAsThieves just spaces between parameters [21:33]
jurov NOPE [21:33]
ThickAsThieves maybe i'm not using pympex? [21:34]
ThickAsThieves it's a linux console [21:34]
ThickAsThieves my partner set up for me [21:34]
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ThickAsThieves "To change default settings edit ~/.mpex/config.yaml" [21:34]
jurov ah that isn't pympex [21:35]
ThickAsThieves someone here made it [21:35]
jurov did you try passing 'PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100' as parameter ? [21:35]
ThickAsThieves i forget who [21:35]
ThickAsThieves i did [21:35]
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jurov note the quotes, wont work without [21:35]
mircea_popescu this has been quite customer-support-y so far. [21:35]
mircea_popescu have you tried turning it off and on again ? [21:35]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:35]
ThickAsThieves the commands i normally use work fine [21:36]
ThickAsThieves just never did a xfer before [21:36]
mircea_popescu maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ? [21:36]
ThickAsThieves looks that way [21:36]
jurov maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed [21:36]
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mircea_popescu i could see a case for disabling push [21:36]
mircea_popescu for a specialist implementation [21:37]
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cads I wish I had access to shapeways' production statistics [21:38]
cads I can't imagine this part will have sold much: https://www.shapeways.com/model/1496035/doge.html?li=productGroup&materialId=26 [21:38]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.shapeways.com/model/1567569/banana-doge.html?li=related-items-ext&materialId=26 [21:39]
ozbot Banana Doge by kspaho on Shapeways [21:39]
ThickAsThieves dildoge [21:39]
Duffer1 http://www.businessinsider.com/yellen-on-bitcoin-2014-2 [21:39]
ozbot Yellen On Bitcoin - Business Insider [21:40]
Duffer1 dexX7 ^ [21:40]
ThickAsThieves yer even later than me [21:40]
mircea_popescu lol the later festival. [21:40]
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dexX7 well done @ yellen hearing [21:43]
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dexX7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7VDnU99fg oh wow ... lol [21:43]
ozbot Banana Doge 3D-Print - YouTube [21:43]
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greenspan_fan hey are we talking about command line programming [21:56]
greenspan_fan here's a great way to solve version control problems [21:56]
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greenspan_fan git add -A;git commit -m "YOLO"; git push origin master --force [21:56]
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mircea_popescu this is all proprietary finance shit [21:58]
mircea_popescu it never saw the inside of a git [21:58]
greenspan_fan you don't use version control? [21:58]
greenspan_fan also I'm kidding, the above kinda defeats the purpose of git [21:59]
mircea_popescu not me, it's his thing [21:59]
greenspan_fan looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one [22:00]
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mircea_popescu i thought we just established it ain't. [22:01]
mircea_popescu I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it [22:02]
mircea_popescu works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. [22:02]
mircea_popescu The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th [22:02]
mircea_popescu e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid. [22:02]
mircea_popescu ok i love this article/author. [22:02]
asciilifeform last psych? [22:02]
asciilifeform this one's a classic [22:02]
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mircea_popescu indeed. [22:03]
greenspan_fan kinda disturbed to find out all of you read TLP as well... [22:03]
mircea_popescu i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with the tool [22:03]
mircea_popescu course with or without that the system's movin' that way [22:03]
asciilifeform incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was [22:04]
mircea_popescu this is true, but unindicative. [22:04]
mircea_popescu the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too. [22:04]
greenspan_fan http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html [22:04]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% [22:04]
greenspan_fan my favourite one [22:04]
mircea_popescu soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff. [22:04]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ? [22:05]
mircea_popescu early bbs. [22:05]
mircea_popescu people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's [22:05]
mircea_popescu and also heard of chtulhu [22:05]
mircea_popescu fancy that! [22:05]
greenspan_fan that's garbage stuff though [22:05]
mircea_popescu culture is garbage. [22:05]
greenspan_fan no one reads anymore, and yet here you all are [22:05]
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greenspan_fan like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world [22:06]
mircea_popescu dun dun dun [22:06]
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greenspan_fan it's blowing my mind, bro [22:07]
mircea_popescu "The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. " [22:07]
greenspan_fan http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/my_name_is_michael_bay_and_i_j.html [22:07]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend [22:07]
greenspan_fan http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/08/district_9.html [22:07]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: District 9 [22:07]
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greenspan_fan on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones [22:08]
greenspan_fan "So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks" [22:08]
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mircea_popescu "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and... [22:19]
mircea_popescu ejhehe [22:19]
mircea_popescu You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave. [22:20]
mircea_popescu see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight. [22:20]
greenspan_fan "you are the 98%, and you are too slow" [22:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman. [22:21]
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greenspan_fan you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think [22:22]
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greenspan_fan what's interesting (and Taleb hits on this as well) is that people are generally really poor at evaluating power-law types of extremes [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it may be the case. [22:24]
mircea_popescu any basis offered ? [22:24]
asciilifeform wish i could remember [22:24]
greenspan_fan so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other [22:24]
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greenspan_fan but it's irrelevant because most of the money isn't in the hands of those people [22:25]
asciilifeform personally i suspect that TLP is a bourbaki. [22:25]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone. [22:25]
greenspan_fan the writing style's too consistent [22:25]
mircea_popescu that's not necessarily an argument. [22:26]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98% [22:26]
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asciilifeform for all i care, tlp is a martian. [22:26]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan what ? [22:26]
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greenspan_fan mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something [22:28]
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greenspan_fan c.f. alinsky's rules for radicals [22:28]
mircea_popescu the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu or do you mean in terms of agency ? [22:29]
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Duffer1 be both - soylent green [22:30]
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greenspan_fan yeah, in terms of resources, not in terms of agency [22:31]
greenspan_fan because you wouldn't be part of that mass if you had real agency [22:32]
mircea_popescu well in terms of resources who te fuck cares. [22:32]
greenspan_fan "Everyone who gives himself a master was born to have one" [22:32]
mircea_popescu if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there [22:32]
mircea_popescu that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal. [22:32]
mircea_popescu the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine. [22:33]
greenspan_fan yeah but I mean, people are more effective than that [22:33]
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greenspan_fan they can be put to different efforts [22:33]
mircea_popescu are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ? [22:33]
asciilifeform if coal knew how to talk! [22:33]
greenspan_fan nope [22:33]
mircea_popescu what's this, trojan arguing ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu if no agency, then no efficiency. [22:33]
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greenspan_fan just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them [22:34]
mircea_popescu yeah, it totally worked for mtgox [22:34]
mircea_popescu and for bitfloor [22:34]
mircea_popescu and for glbse [22:34]
mircea_popescu and etc [22:34]
greenspan_fan well I mean agency in the "standing athwart the bow of history" levels of agency [22:35]
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greenspan_fan the problem with those places is they were run by idiots [22:35]
mircea_popescu "agency" is a term of art. [22:35]
mircea_popescu well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them. [22:35]
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greenspan_fan like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right? [22:36]
mircea_popescu i don't employ idiots. [22:36]
greenspan_fan still [22:36]
mircea_popescu no still. i really don't. [22:36]
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greenspan_fan so you're saying that everyone who works for you is universally equally good at everything [22:36]
mircea_popescu no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements. [22:37]
greenspan_fan yeah, I'm not saying everyone should be an automaton [22:37]
mircea_popescu you are, yes. [22:37]
mircea_popescu "if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county " [22:38]
mircea_popescu this isnt starcraft. [22:38]
greenspan_fan look at the history of the world [22:38]
mircea_popescu ok. [22:38]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79o09GAwT1qci6pfo1_500.jpg [22:38]
greenspan_fan how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else? [22:38]
mircea_popescu none. [22:38]
greenspan_fan that seems like an insane position to take [22:39]
mircea_popescu but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe. [22:39]
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greenspan_fan it's true, I've only read books on history in english [22:39]
mircea_popescu just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics. [22:39]
mircea_popescu in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit. [22:40]
greenspan_fan weren't you arguing the other day that they're still there regardless? [22:40]
mircea_popescu who they [22:40]
greenspan_fan the matrices, as a form of description [22:40]
mircea_popescu sure, but a different "there" [22:40]
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greenspan_fan so what I'm saying is that having 1000 people who listened to leaders was a necessary (but not sufficient) condition to launch some revolutions [22:41]
mircea_popescu the entire view is broken. [22:41]
greenspan_fan how so? [22:41]
mircea_popescu pretty much every which way. [22:42]
greenspan_fan tell me, and I'll strive to correct it, insofar as such is possible [22:42]
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mircea_popescu for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going, [22:42]
mircea_popescu and i don't particularly care. [22:42]
mircea_popescu wherever it ends up youl [22:42]
mircea_popescu l expost facto call it "a revolution" [22:42]
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mircea_popescu and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed. [22:42]
greenspan_fan maybe it was an overdramatic example [22:42]
mircea_popescu maybe. [22:42]
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greenspan_fan (to make an analogy w/ physics once again) leadership is like a drift velocity for particles undergoing brownian motion [22:43]
mircea_popescu no, it's not [22:44]
mircea_popescu because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people. [22:44]
greenspan_fan it's an analogy [22:44]
mircea_popescu well it's a degeneratology at best. [22:44]
greenspan_fan obviously people have their own directions and goals etc. [22:44]
mircea_popescu well so then ?! [22:44]
mircea_popescu "suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless. [22:45]
mircea_popescu see how the brick sinks ?" [22:45]
greenspan_fan but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc. [22:45]
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mircea_popescu so you like to think. [22:45]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so. [22:45]
greenspan_fan so I have observed [22:46]
mircea_popescu right. [22:46]
greenspan_fan to bring it back to my understanding of TLP's point, it's that society's "power" (in some loosely defined sense) is distributed according to a power law [22:47]
greenspan_fan and in fact, it's a decent enough model [22:47]
mircea_popescu statistically. [22:47]
mircea_popescu once you try to particularize it it breaks down [22:48]
greenspan_fan the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people [22:48]
greenspan_fan to a first approximation, more or less [22:48]
mircea_popescu i see no value in this approximation. [22:48]
mircea_popescu it's about as good as holy water. [22:48]
greenspan_fan yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does [22:49]
mircea_popescu max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's. [22:49]
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mircea_popescu philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did. [22:50]
Duffer1 define success - he successfully scammed a lot of people, TaT didn't [22:50]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind. [22:51]
greenspan_fan And wasn't it barras who was jockeying for position w/ napoleon? [22:51]
Duffer1 bagholders have been cryin about it for days on mcxnow [22:51]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy. [22:51]
wbaw and didn't napoleon lose? [22:51]
greenspan_fan But of course Napoleon won because he was an extremely effective leader of a particularly important part of society [22:51]
mircea_popescu which he did. [22:52]
greenspan_fan not til 1815 [22:52]
greenspan_fan that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there [22:52]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ? [22:52]
wbaw there have been longer lived empires [22:52]
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greenspan_fan wbaw but he was one corsican nobody! that's what was spectacular about it [22:53]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu one's a prediction, one's a post-hoc explanation? [22:53]
mircea_popescu right. [22:53]
mircea_popescu she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason. [22:53]
mircea_popescu but these are reasons. [22:53]
mircea_popescu she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation. [22:54]
greenspan_fan stipulated [22:54]
mircea_popescu but causes and reasons never met and never will meet. [22:54]
greenspan_fan "I can calculate the movements of the stars and planets, but not the madness of men" [22:54]
mircea_popescu right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method [22:55]
mircea_popescu is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect. [22:55]
mircea_popescu there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations. [22:55]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact? [22:55]
mircea_popescu no. [22:55]
mircea_popescu humanity doesn't enter into it. [22:55]
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greenspan_fan But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it? [22:56]
mircea_popescu so what of it ? [22:56]
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greenspan_fan then causes and reasons can meet? [22:57]
mircea_popescu in your confidence ? [22:57]
mircea_popescu any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much. [22:57]
greenspan_fan but I can model it using math [22:57]
mircea_popescu you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little. [22:57]
mircea_popescu surely. [22:57]
mircea_popescu math can be used to any purpose [22:58]
mircea_popescu that's what makes it so useful. [22:58]
greenspan_fan this just seems like you're recapitulating bishop berkeley [22:58]
mircea_popescu uh. [22:59]
greenspan_fan that reality only exists in the minds of the observers [22:59]
mircea_popescu i never said that. [22:59]
mircea_popescu apparently you came up with it trying to cope ? [22:59]
greenspan_fan no, I am trying to understand [22:59]
mircea_popescu im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does. [22:59]
greenspan_fan if you get me to change my mind, I learn something new. Only upside here for me. I'm just trying to understand what your contentions are. [23:00]
mircea_popescu all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself. [23:00]
mircea_popescu sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct [23:00]
greenspan_fan yes, stipulated [23:00]
mircea_popescu you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law [23:00]
mircea_popescu this is a little rich. [23:00]
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greenspan_fan again, I agree [23:01]
greenspan_fan but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act [23:01]
mircea_popescu so don't act. [23:01]
mircea_popescu what, am i askin you to act / [23:01]
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mircea_popescu you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is. [23:02]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:02]
greenspan_fan I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you [23:02]
mircea_popescu this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ? [23:02]
greenspan_fan if your understanding is imperfect (which it generally is), you still need to interact with your environment to test/improve it [23:03]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [23:03]
greenspan_fan and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events [23:04]
mircea_popescu so you say. [23:04]
greenspan_fan yeah, but assume that I'm not just some internet troll who'll say anything to win an argument [23:04]
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mircea_popescu kind-of besides the point. [23:05]
mircea_popescu you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should. [23:05]
greenspan_fan not in an "ought to" sense, no [23:05]
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mircea_popescu well what is a prediction ? [23:06]
mircea_popescu "if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now" [23:06]
greenspan_fan nothing so formal as that [23:06]
mircea_popescu informality doesn't rescue much here. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak. [23:07]
greenspan_fan of course [23:07]
mircea_popescu some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history [23:07]
mircea_popescu and retrospectively, the "correct prediction" [23:07]
greenspan_fan yeah, history is flawed that way [23:07]
mircea_popescu this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams [23:07]
mircea_popescu as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky [23:08]
mircea_popescu or in fact, i don't even exist. [23:08]
greenspan_fan no, you didn't [23:08]
mircea_popescu @twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit [23:08]
greenspan_fan you made a prediction that incompetence will lead to failure [23:08]
mircea_popescu which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless. [23:08]
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mircea_popescu you can't really go from one to the other. [23:09]
greenspan_fan wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though? [23:09]
mike_c he didn't predict it, he announced it :) [23:10]
mircea_popescu we don't know, i never disclosed any basis, [23:10]
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mircea_popescu and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete, [23:10]
mircea_popescu and so on. [23:10]
mircea_popescu but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach [23:10]
mircea_popescu "Any actual evidence that they have this magic “unlimited selftrading account”? I’m sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.." [23:11]
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mircea_popescu "I’m sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?" [23:11]
mircea_popescu "What of it? People who don’t know MtGox won’t buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, that’s what of it." [23:11]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 [23:11]
mircea_popescu that was... the 14th [23:11]
thestringpuller you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back... [23:11]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:12]
thestringpuller and the self trading account [23:12]
greenspan_fan so, assuming that wasn't all insider information [23:12]
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mircea_popescu well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas. [23:12]
mircea_popescu this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience : [23:13]
mircea_popescu you can't in fact establish what it was. [23:13]
thestringpuller i think it's more of how a doctor operates [23:13]
greenspan_fan then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes [23:13]
mircea_popescu and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else. [23:13]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis [23:13]
greenspan_fan exactly [23:13]
mircea_popescu sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma. [23:13]
thestringpuller you mean trilema :) [23:14]
greenspan_fan which dilemma? [23:14]
greenspan_fan haha [23:14]
mircea_popescu well it's pluriform. [23:14]
greenspan_fan for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented [23:15]
mircea_popescu so what if it does ? [23:15]
thestringpuller ugh [23:15]
mircea_popescu succeed, i mean. [23:15]
thestringpuller signal vs noise [23:15]
greenspan_fan nothing, that's just my prediction [23:15]
mircea_popescu right. [23:15]
mircea_popescu you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ? [23:15]
greenspan_fan insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact [23:15]
thestringpuller you don't need to if you operate on valid information [23:16]
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greenspan_fan I don't know whether my reasoning was correct or if other factors decided things [23:16]
thestringpuller if you operate on noise you're just a lemming [23:16]
mircea_popescu so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination. [23:16]
thestringpuller ^- yup [23:16]
mircea_popescu which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense. [23:16]
thestringpuller "self enforcing" lol [23:17]
mircea_popescu and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity. [23:17]
greenspan_fan but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested [23:17]
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mircea_popescu so ? [23:17]
mircea_popescu suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock. [23:17]
greenspan_fan haha [23:17]
mircea_popescu suppose each day it increases x% [23:17]
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mircea_popescu you verify this theory until you're bored. [23:18]
mircea_popescu now what ? [23:18]
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greenspan_fan if I have reasons to believe it will increase day over day by a certain percent [23:18]
greenspan_fan and I am confident in my reasoning [23:18]
greenspan_fan then I should buy it [23:19]
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mircea_popescu so you should buy it. [23:19]
asciilifeform consult S.CRYING futures, they tell... the future. [23:19]
mircea_popescu do you actually buy it just because you should ? [23:19]
greenspan_fan yes [23:19]
mircea_popescu yeah well... i don't. [23:19]
greenspan_fan why not? [23:20]
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mircea_popescu cause i have to also feel like it. [23:20]
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thestringpuller lol [23:20]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock [23:20]
greenspan_fan why wouldn't you feel like it? [23:20]
mircea_popescu how would i know ? [23:20]
thestringpuller it has to give him a few blowjobs, tell him he's pretty [23:20]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, how would you. [23:20]
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greenspan_fan take him out to dinner before hand... [23:20]
mircea_popescu but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise. [23:21]
mircea_popescu pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over. [23:21]
mircea_popescu for all i care. [23:21]
greenspan_fan yes, certainly [23:21]
mircea_popescu well lol. [23:21]
mircea_popescu Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property? [23:22]
mircea_popescu Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character. [23:22]
mircea_popescu Untermyer: Before money or property? [23:22]
mircea_popescu Morgan: Before money or anything else. [23:22]
greenspan_fan I fit that into my reasoning, though [23:22]
thestringpuller greenspan_fan do you know who Nate Silver is? [23:22]
mircea_popescu so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t. [23:22]
greenspan_fan thestringpuller yep, reading his book at the moment [23:23]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect [23:23]
mircea_popescu right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing. [23:24]
greenspan_fan which might be the "feeling" you're talking about? [23:24]
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mircea_popescu you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you, [23:24]
mircea_popescu should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class [23:24]
mircea_popescu and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language. [23:24]
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mircea_popescu your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense. [23:25]
greenspan_fan yeah I wasn't arguing based on that [23:25]
mircea_popescu you slide in and out of it. [23:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with... doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language << might as well put him alone on a nuke sub with overheating reactor [23:26]
mircea_popescu but why be mean. [23:26]
greenspan_fan just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not [23:26]
thestringpuller lol [23:26]
greenspan_fan even if my understanding is flawed [23:26]
asciilifeform (there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations) [23:26]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ? [23:27]
greenspan_fan asciilifeform added to my reading list, thanks [23:27]
greenspan_fan no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here [23:27]
mircea_popescu you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ? [23:28]
greenspan_fan well, for instance, I don't know my mom haha [23:28]
mircea_popescu lol [23:28]
mircea_popescu what, you're a romanian orphan too ?! [23:28]
greenspan_fan but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust [23:28]
mircea_popescu you can't trust anything, get real. [23:29]
greenspan_fan not a fan of descartes? [23:29]
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mircea_popescu it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think. [23:29]
mircea_popescu i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him. [23:29]
greenspan_fan consciousness is an illusion is a possibility [23:30]
mircea_popescu the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said. [23:30]
mircea_popescu these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip [23:30]
greenspan_fan the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist [23:30]
mircea_popescu right. [23:31]
mircea_popescu but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable" [23:31]
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greenspan_fan sure. my contention is that alternative possibilities, like "I am not able to control my own actions" are in some sense unhelpful [23:32]
mircea_popescu but this is wildly different from what we were discussing [23:32]
greenspan_fan We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is [23:33]
mircea_popescu unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles" [23:33]
greenspan_fan no that's not what I was saying initially [23:33]
mircea_popescu well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects [23:33]
mircea_popescu or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all. [23:33]
greenspan_fan yes [23:33]
mircea_popescu this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet. [23:34]
greenspan_fan in the sense of reinterpretting the past [23:34]
greenspan_fan plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out [23:34]
mircea_popescu sorry. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego. [23:34]
greenspan_fan yeah, it's difficult to avoid that semantic blurring [23:35]
mircea_popescu anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality. [23:35]
mircea_popescu either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it [23:36]
mircea_popescu or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence [23:36]
greenspan_fan I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" ** [23:36]
mircea_popescu in practical terms. [23:36]
greenspan_fan but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING [23:36]
greenspan_fan if I have reasons to believe it will continue to increase, I should invest in it [23:37]
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mircea_popescu sure, you should. [23:37]
greenspan_fan this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct [23:38]
mircea_popescu you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier [23:38]
mircea_popescu and quit smoking. [23:38]
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greenspan_fan I do those things to the degree that it's the rational choice [23:38]
mircea_popescu or so you say [23:39]
mircea_popescu ie, so you represent it to yourself. [23:39]
mircea_popescu what's so rational about it ? [23:39]
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greenspan_fan insofar as "attempting to act rationally" has benefits associated with it, and insofar as I understand how to do so [23:40]
greenspan_fan I'm not perfect, but I try to improve [23:40]
mircea_popescu so you should stop dieing then. [23:40]
mircea_popescu why dont you ? [23:40]
greenspan_fan glibly; I've succeeded so far, haven't I? [23:41]
mircea_popescu surely. [23:41]
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greenspan_fan and I am doing my best to postpone it [23:41]
mircea_popescu obviously, you're trying to improve on this too. [23:41]
mircea_popescu indeed. [23:41]
mircea_popescu alternatively, i couldn't care less. [23:41]
greenspan_fan you don't care if you live or die? [23:42]
mircea_popescu not really. [23:42]
greenspan_fan why not? [23:42]
mircea_popescu uh. what, i got the burden of the negative now ?! [23:42]
greenspan_fan I am just curious [23:42]
mircea_popescu i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off [23:42]
mircea_popescu not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle" [23:43]
mircea_popescu but other than that... what difference does it make ? [23:43]
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greenspan_fan but being alive is clearly awesome [23:43]
mircea_popescu uh. [23:43]
mircea_popescu i never heard the dead complain. [23:44]
mircea_popescu you ever been on these new social media things they have ? [23:44]
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greenspan_fan is there one for the afterlife now, too? [23:44]
mircea_popescu lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package [23:44]
greenspan_fan I heard facebook was trying to get into that space vis. dead friends still posting links to ads... [23:44]
mircea_popescu just add vc-water. [23:45]
greenspan_fan man that's another great y-combinator startup right there [23:45]
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mircea_popescu so how much are you paying me not to kill you ? [23:45]
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mircea_popescu seeing how it's clearly awesome and whatnot, stands to reason it should be worth something to you. [23:46]
greenspan_fan I'm from the NSA man, you can't touch me [23:46]
mircea_popescu how much can i get off you for your own life ? [23:46]
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greenspan_fan it's worth more than everything in the world, yet by symmetry any transaction's balanced out by whatever you're paying me not to kill you [23:47]
mircea_popescu mebbe you presume a little there :) [23:47]
mircea_popescu i ain't payin' squat. [23:47]
mircea_popescu so now what ? [23:47]
Diablo-D3 http://i.imgur.com/B1Ajc8j.jpg [23:47]
greenspan_fan then this reduces to some sort of weird pascal's wager like scenario [23:48]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma. [23:48]
greenspan_fan yeah, I am just wondering what your alternative to rationality is? [23:52]
cypherc http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/ [23:53]
ozbot Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00499995 = 0.2 BTC [-] [23:53]
nubbins` Diablo-D3, lel [23:54]
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