| pete_dushenski: |
btw merry chrismukkah to all observers! |
[00:04] |
| deedbot: |
http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/ << Trilema - A story of men. |
[06:35] |
| shinohai: |
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1010 |
[07:25] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5903A4A17412928163DB4CAFD99156896B77F309220459233790398D86EB8CAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2710...7181 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.37.105.217 (ssh-rsa key from 198.37.105.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (105.37.198-217.dc74.net. US NC) |
[08:40] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3127...2173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W) |
[08:40] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C78216621EE9916A255D86FF0908E9B71BCF604F479C9C84EC23CDF984DF22BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1692...5813 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.240.192.77 (ssh-rsa key from 82.240.192.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (www.amireva.com. FR 31 N) |
[08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: |
http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-dec-2016#2216339 << the lulziest part in all that aren't the various necessary insanities cribbed from the cold sweat of the other socialisms but the notion that "our allies". dude what ?! the regime has allies ?! |
[10:08] |
| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 04:37 phf: "... for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies." |
[10:08] |
| mircea_popescu: |
even the comintern knew better than that and the comintern consisted of random plow pushers taken to town last spring. |
[10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590400 << solid work from taleb, sadly on fucking medium. |
[10:21] |
| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 04:50 pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/opacity/no-jesus-was-not-a-nonwhite-refugee-who-would-have-voted-for-43779209eea4#.1ii46ja1m << pics of ancient stone busts, which really are the story here, don't archive |
[10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: |
how can he be ~this fucking blind~ is beyond conception, and then he talks of "state worshiping iyi". dude... YOURE ON MEDIUM. |
[10:21] |
| adlai: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590194 << i don't think crap-rsa ever leaked, although i did publish crap-secp256k1 for deed validation |
[10:42] |
| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-24 16:54 asciilifeform: adlai has one |
[10:42] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDE0EB6C581D23C4D24451A316CF43EFB241A22EA35B998B4CB6A7DC79AB7548 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...1849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.153.12 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.153.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ds62-138-153-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) |
[10:48] |
| Framedragger: |
if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy... |
[10:48] |
| Framedragger: |
i don't suppose anyone here has messed with android 'adopted' storage? (use sd card as internal encrypted android storage.) i'm trying to recover files from a half-broken 32GB sd card which has weirdo android-internal partitions and encryption.. oh god |
[10:51] |
| Framedragger: |
but it seems that the encryption key is (of course) found on the card itself (one can just dd...), in a weird 'meta' part. it's just aes 128 bit. sek00rity |
[10:52] |
| Framedragger: |
google aliased dmcrypt to $some_internal_serious_sounding_android_keyword and moved things around... |
[10:53] |
| Framedragger: |
(for logs, http://nelenkov.blogspot.lt/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html ) |
[10:54] |
| Framedragger: |
(ahh, maybe the key *isn't* on the card.. which makes it slightly less retarted slightly) |
[10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: |
Framedragger most of the usg corps steal foss and posture as a business strategy. |
[10:55] |
| Framedragger: |
aha! still funny when it's done so transparently hm |
[10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: |
the net effect being that it'd take three determined people a few weeks to reconstruct $usg.project's software. |
[10:55] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5903A4A17412928163DB4CAFD99156896B77F309220459233790398D86EB8CAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1540...8337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.37.105.217 (ssh-rsa key from 198.37.105.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (105.37.198-217.dc74.net. US NC) |
[10:57] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1766...0467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W) |
[10:57] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C78216621EE9916A255D86FF0908E9B71BCF604F479C9C84EC23CDF984DF22BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...7607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.240.192.77 (ssh-rsa key from 82.240.192.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (www.amireva.com. FR 31 N) |
[10:57] |
| phf: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590416 << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpev8JXJHQ&t=0m53s |
[11:02] |
| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 15:48 Framedragger: if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy... |
[11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: |
unlike Framedragger , malkovich is actually fucking insufferable. |
[11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: |
he's meanwhile run out of audience in the states, was mining buenos aires recently. POETRY READING! |
[11:04] |
| Framedragger: |
nice free association: there's a pretty lulzy but cool film called colour me kubrick. based on tru st0ry in which this almost-homeless alcoholic guy pretends to be kubrick thereby gaining respect, deals, fancy restaurant dining etc. played my malkovich, and it somehow works for me. |
[11:08] |
| Framedragger: |
(maybe because the guy played is insuffeable, too..) |
[11:09] |
| Framedragger: |
^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Conway |
[11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: |
in small doses im sure he's fine. |
[11:13] |
| BingoBoingo: |
http://oglaf.com/tsa2016/ |
[11:14] |
| mircea_popescu: |
Framedragger we deduce kubrik's wife, christiane, was sexually unsatisfied by kubrik's cock (oliver ?) |
[11:15] |
| phf: |
i only saw him in that one movie, and it's my humorous goto visual metaphor for malignant narcissism. i sometimes think that he's only popular in u.s. because of his funny sounding last name, kind of like zizek. like there's a weird feedback loop between the last name and certain kind of social eccentricity |
[11:17] |
| ben_vulpes: |
http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill |
[11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
phf i dunno, the eastern european name is in my head taken over by that piece of furniture besson was infatuated with at some point. |
[11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: |
she wasn't even hot in any sense, dear god, any highschool in the region could have provided two better in the same vein. |
[11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ben_vulpes hey, they get their tin womenz and we get ours, then we watch the catfight to end all wars. |
[11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: |
Security specialist Bruce Schneier, for one, does not see any urgent need for better random numbers. Schneier helped create the widely used Fortuna pseudorandom-number generator, and says there are already many adequate sources. "In my world no one's worried about this," he said. "These systems already work" to provide secure communications when attention is paid to all of the other implementation details. "We have lots of pr |
[11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: |
oblems this isn't one of them." |
[11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: |
^epic schneider material though :D |
[11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: |
jesus fuck this dreck is unreadable. |
[11:21] |
| phf: |
oooh jovovich. yeah.. |
[11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: |
one way to look at thw hole "gay rights" thing is, "the dudes who'd rather fuck boys really belong on their own reservation rather than flooding the market with dumb looking tomboys" |
[11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
iirc before her he chased some 15yo. |
[11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: |
and in lafond lulz, "I used to work with Mister Bill, who was retired from Army Intelligence in the early 1970s. During the Vietnam War he tortured Viet Cong and NVA regulars at Fort Meadeno shit. he trained guys in field interrogations using real enemy. This guy looked like Eliot Nessused to intimidate all of is coworkers just by the way he smoked his cigarette and wore his fedora. A 13-year-old kid stuck him up while |
[11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: |
he was sitting in his car. He told me that he was impressed by the kid's composure and thought he's make a good field operative..." |
[11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i get it, every housewife must have her dreams, but dude, notice that your mythological avatar... GOT ROBBED ? |
[11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i'm supposed to be impressed with some dork who ran around threatening "to tell" on everyone in the schoolyard for smoking because his mommy told him to, oh noes, prohibition agent / hero. ffs already. |
[11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: |
at this rate it's a wonder lafond isn't wearing a gut halter. god knows his mommy did! and her mommy before her! |
[11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: |
fucken goof. |
[11:38] |
| phf: |
well, besson was making decade appropriate genre movies. new york new wave did the whole androgyny in the 80s, by the 90s everyone else caught up. plus there was gainsbourg paving the way with his épatage |
[11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: |
the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more. |
[11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: |
phf but my idea is... the "androgyny" thing only exists because gay dudes masquerading. |
[11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: |
once that went away, "the androgyny thing" that never was a thing to begin with ~if you weren't really into fucking boys~ also went away. |
[11:41] |
| BingoBoingo: |
<mircea_popescu> the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more. << /me read it as old fart who was was befroe becoming old fart thought child robber would make good field operative. But the crime as I read is he doesn't figure that the child already is a field oe |
[11:45] |
| BingoBoingo: |
prative. |
[11:45] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Anyways USG stooges don't age well |
[11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: |
how can i distinguish this story from "roger ver, who once had the most bitcoins of anyone on the planet, thinks thedaoattacker would make a fine bitcoin developer" ? |
[11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: |
it's not even deep enough, because not only "he's all tough and shit like lock ness monster" claim holds , but the fducking monster ISNT TOUGH. |
[11:47] |
| BingoBoingo: |
WAS, stooges tend to lose their toughness when the age out of the stoogery in USG land |
[11:48] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Or stories of badassery are drunken fictions |
[11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: |
that whole "prohibition heroes" thing was, and is, an incredibly transparent, and screamingly lame attempt by the puritan wanna-be preacher apparatus ( https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fe/de/d0/feded087bb5b76da57473b6e7078ffaf.jpg << t5his guy ) to make up a socialist hero to go with the actual hero, the al capones, meyer lanskis and bugsy siegels. |
[11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: |
it has all the cachet and all the panache of a "christian rockstar" - the result of a trainload of philistine running out of coal in a desert of stupid. |
[11:50] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Well, there are many deserts of stupid and only so much coal. Most of which goes into lighting the desert of stupid |
[11:51] |
| phf: |
aah, i see your point, though i'm not sure about the definition of a thing in relation to "really into". a thing is a fad. gays started this particular fad, "everyone" was on board for a bit, until the aids epidemic. i think shoulder pads for example are androgynous, likewise a fad |
[11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i thought shoulderpads were the first dry run of the whole "i r lion hear me roar!" thing. |
[11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: |
they did tend to go mostly with lion's made hairdos for womenz. |
[11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ie, "feminist" made not "political-identity-gay" made. mostly because at the time gay==faggot, there wasn't a "political-identity-gay" machine. |
[11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: |
so, predictably, they just parasithized it, because of the wanna-be-woman faggotry, some wanna be woman "as historical essence" and some "as current fashion", so you ended up with that wham idiot doing shoulderpads and girly hairdos and sir what's his face, the fat ugly one doing "historical hats like queen liz" |
[11:53] |
| BingoBoingo: |
BUt anyways, the US is divided into two areas. Ones where you can sit in your car, make phone calls, and smoke all the cigarettes you want in said car and places where if you sit in your car too long after car stops a child puts a gun in your face. |
[11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo and has been, since at least the 70s. we used to call the 2nd area "the bronx" |
[11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: |
but hey, provincial towns gotta copy new york dont they. |
[11:55] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Well, yeah, now it is the "urban" http://qntra.net/2016/12/missouri-state-representative-elect-bruce-franks-robbed-at-gunpoint/ |
[11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: |
heh. did this one also torture martians / rape baby seals or is he from the other side of the Great Delusion. |
[11:57] |
| phf: |
haha, well, we're on the same page. i have a soft spot for shoulder pads, because that's your 80s moscows, blade runner, so i just can't see them in terms of "hear me roar". but i think we had the whole sean young thread before.. |
[11:57] |
| * mircea_popescu |
suspects the proper romanian expletive to discuss these dorks would be "sa-mi bag pula-n ei de figuranti ma pis pe ma-sa si-i dau foc." |
[11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: |
phf ftr you definitely gotta see the recent triad if you haven't already. |
[11:58] |
| BingoBoingo: |
mircea_popescu: Parked car predators know no limits after Micheal Brown put all that fear into poor Ferguson police officer back in 2014. |
[11:59] |
| phf: |
mircea_popescu: triad? |
[11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: |
phf http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/ |
[11:59] |
| phf: |
oh oh k |
[11:59] |
| BingoBoingo: |
mircea_popescu: Nah that one was a "Lives matter" activist turned state legislator |
[11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo they do have a point, man at wheel is uniquely vulnerable, law doesn't much help. |
[11:59] |
| BingoBoingo: |
I mean in St Louis they also got governor elect's wife |
[12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo how the fuck all these mytologizing gimps fail to point out that loch ness' job was to bring down al capone, AT WHICH JOB HE FAILED ? he's like the che guevara of the gynecaeum i swear. |
[12:00] |
| BingoBoingo: |
mircea_popescu: They fail to point it out because they suck and their heros need to suck. |
[12:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
yes but if they know this why do they also insist to suck cunt of all things. |
[12:02] |
| BingoBoingo: |
"memetic virus"? |
[12:02] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Per yesterday |
[12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ya think ? i guess. |
[12:02] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Anyways stupid is self reinforcing. |
[12:03] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Screw get softer, except some people make tougher OMGWTFBBQ wood screws for the purpose of framing more thing whish probably ought not be wood of wood. |
[12:06] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Until those get the Zamac treatment too |
[12:06] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Or why bars get filled fake old crap just because one bar filled with old crap managed to open a second location back in the day. |
[12:12] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Where what is proper is that things in the bar get old because bar gets old |
[12:13] |
| mircea_popescu: |
what are you doing in a bar anyway |
[14:10] |
| BingoBoingo: |
I'm not in a bar, but I have some vague memories of what bars were like. |
[14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ah |
[14:19] |
| * BingoBoingo |
trying to try to describe examples of the sort of infectious stupidity that makes losers hold up loser "heros" instead of actual heros |
[14:19] |
| BingoBoingo: |
The stupidity that hits a critical mass and becomes "Hussein Bahamas presentes: How the World Works" |
[14:20] |
| ben_vulpes: |
in ten slides |
[14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ocho, better. |
[14:26] |
| ben_vulpes: |
ah yes, eight is a better number than ten. |
[14:26] |
| ben_vulpes: |
in other nyooz, $offspring issued his first low-ambiguity ASL gesture this morning: 'food' |
[14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
whatcha give him |
[14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo anyway, it's particularly offensive because the dood was the stereotypical lush-with-hallucinated-war-stories. |
[14:32] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Particular example was offensive, but "sitting in a car" seems like its on its way to becoming the new "nailgun accident" |
[14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: |
aha. |
[14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: |
so who's this "helena blavatsky" chick |
[14:37] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i don't expect the 19th century occultist came back ? |
[14:37] |
| BingoBoingo: |
No idea |
[14:37] |
| deedbot: |
http://qntra.net/2016/12/grinch-netanyahu-deliver-christmas-scolding-to-ambassadors/ << Qntra - Grinch Netanyahu Deliver Christmas Scolding To Ambassadors |
[14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: |
in other lulz, "To all BNet visitors, due to unprecedented scamming on the BNet Forum, we have been forced to shut the facility down. We are looking at alternative systems that will allow us to restart the Forum under a much better security protocol. We hope to be able to restart the Forum sometime in the New Year. Thank you for visiting the Forum and hope to see you again there in the New Year. To all who had signed up, we |
[14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: |
have lost all email addresses." |
[14:38] |
| ben_vulpes: |
mircea_popescu: quiche |
[14:48] |
| mircea_popescu: |
funny, that's what i'm having! |
[14:49] |
| ben_vulpes: |
there are several dozens of eggs worth of quiche in this house right now, and myriad cakes |
[14:49] |
| ben_vulpes: |
but this was not enough for me |
[14:50] |
| ben_vulpes: |
and i have 'convinced' the girls to make the traditional family coffee cake |
[14:50] |
| ben_vulpes: |
where 'convince' is something along the lines of "no seriously you have all the ingredients it would be a sin to not make it. also i want it. so..." |
[14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning. |
[14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: |
how's tinned biscuits you ask ? why, you take a gingerbread round, put it in a jar lid, cover it in rum and there you go - tinned biscuit! |
[14:51] |
| ben_vulpes: |
gingerbread soaked in run? |
[14:52] |
| ben_vulpes: |
rum* |
[14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: |
oya |
[14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: |
mp-haus gingerbread style is very gingery and very dry. apparently ginger bread varies a lot. |
[14:52] |
| * ben_vulpes |
stares at the half gingerbread cake |
[14:52] |
| ben_vulpes: |
oya, ours is a veritably moist cake |
[14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: |
o what's in your quiche btw ? mine's shrimp. |
[14:53] |
| ben_vulpes: |
there's one shallot, one cheese and sausage, one mushroom spinach, and one more plain |
[14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: |
good mushroom or plain mushroom ? |
[14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: |
it's somewhat regrettable we can't house visit and try these. |
[14:54] |
| ben_vulpes: |
i assume good mushroom, $girl went out and selected them from the hipsters herself |
[14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ah worx. |
[14:55] |
| diana_coman: |
mircea_popescu> i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning. <- it gave me this fleeting image of a red-hatted mp with a huge jar going round the neighbourhood |
[14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: |
lol |
[14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: |
and now being prepared - lasagna! |
[14:57] |
| BingoBoingo: |
IN other salads https://archive.is/d0Y0B |
[14:58] |
| ben_vulpes: |
i'm not even going to start on the five courses currently under preparation |
[15:00] |
| ben_vulpes: |
i only really know what one of the courses is, am content to let the chefs work their surprise magic |
[15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo ahaha check out all the effort they put into it. "the website", really ? |
[15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
from now on it's "The webiste 'whitehouse' based in maryland". |
[15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
(cur | prev) 01:18, 10 May 2014 Agyle (talk | contribs) . . (4,611 bytes) (-40) . . (removed reference to mpex.co, not reliable source, and didn't seem to verify information anyway. see WP:RS.) (undo) |
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| mircea_popescu: |
(cur | prev) 01:14, 10 May 2014 Agyle (talk | contribs) . . (4,651 bytes) (-42) . . (removed loper-os reference, not a reliable source. see WP:RS.) (undo) |
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| mircea_popescu: |
^ from the history. check out what isn't a reliable source. epic shit. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
4real |
[15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: |
also looks like this is the first time anyone read that article since 2014. who knew nobody gives a shit about wikipedia. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
And still not purged |
[15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo in exchange, one for you : https://worldisraelnews.com/watch-studio-wiped-out-by-fire-a-loss-to-art-history-especially-jewish-art/#comment-3027181877 |
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| BingoBoingo: |
WTF, of course he's happy to "begin anew". All his old shit is gone and now he gets those sweet gentile insurance premiums. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/what-the-hell-somali-american-goes-home-for-visit-to-somalia/ |
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| mircea_popescu: |
was mostly for teh comments discussing you. |
[15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: |
"qntra the serene republic" |
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| * BingoBoingo |
did not get to comments |
[15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
disqus is a pos but if you give it a day and a half eventually it jumps to the spot. |
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| * BingoBoingo |
trying archive.is |
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| mircea_popescu: |
"I suspect old Bingo is something of a disinformation hoax." |
[15:29] |
| ben_vulpes: |
"in other word salad" |
[15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ben_vulpes he did say. |
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| asciilifeform: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590439 << i read the original crapolade last year |
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| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 16:17 ben_vulpes: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill |
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| ben_vulpes: |
nono, the diqsux comment |
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| mircea_popescu: |
anyway, it's mildly amusing to watch internet people act under a very earnest notion that the portion of any one thing that they ran across has, grace to half a minute's meditation, formed a complete and useful image in their heads. |
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| asciilifeform: |
theoretical boost of 1.5x of bitrate, in exchange for making the debiaser 1000x moar complex |
[15:31] |
| asciilifeform: |
guess who luuuuvvvs such item. |
[15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ben_vulpes just like the wiki page, "other salads" |
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| BingoBoingo: |
lol "I suspect old Bingo is something of a disinformation hoax. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
What I have found interesting is that the professed liberals only began reacting to it when I posed the possibility after 24 hours." |
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| mircea_popescu: |
yeah, you know, the professed liberals care! |
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| BingoBoingo: |
OMG Have these cucks never lulzd? |
[15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: |
it's hard out there for a cuck when tryina make da money for da lulz |
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| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform, mod6: subject of "making things 1000x more complex" i embarked on handling various conditions a v might encounter (missing pubkey, unsigned patch, mismatched hashes after a press...) and i daresay the volume of code must increase! |
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| ben_vulpes: |
"help" is the motherfucking dog whistle of the left |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: i must disagree |
[15:34] |
| ben_vulpes: |
(in re http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/your-app-isnt-helping-the-people-of-saudi-arabia-1790198445) |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: no pubkey? seals dun count, unsealed patches -- invisible. |
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| asciilifeform: |
silently. |
[15:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
this is the correct behaviour. |
[15:35] |
| hanbot: |
ni3230R681ss |
[15:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
the only error condition is cyclic graph |
[15:35] |
| ben_vulpes: |
hanbot: lol again? |
[15:35] |
| Framedragger: |
BingoBoingo: "#trilema logs" href in http://qntra.net/about/ points to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ |
[15:35] |
| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform: i'm happy to implement post-patch hash checks |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: mismatched postpress hash should be impossible if fuzz is properly killed. |
[15:36] |
| ben_vulpes: |
what guarantees have i of this "should"? |
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| asciilifeform: |
0 until we shoot gnupatch. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
mkthen |
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| mircea_popescu: |
lmao no moare random strings hanbot , we get it. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
Framedragger: ty fxd |
[15:37] |
| ben_vulpes: |
fwiw i have a full-killer sitting in my workdir, for release later |
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| ben_vulpes: |
fuzz*-killer |
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| ben_vulpes: |
'tis the obvious characters. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
what does this kill ? |
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| BingoBoingo: |
hanbot: pls to color code your keyboards |
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| hanbot: |
x_x |
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| ben_vulpes: |
mircea_popescu: only patch's fuzzy application, nothing more. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
ah right. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
anyway alf has it - there's no need to handle what you list other than by not using them |
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| ben_vulpes: |
sure |
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| ben_vulpes: |
sb-ext, and rail at me for using an implementation-dependent sub program library if you will, does not seem to signal error conditions when external programs exit with nonzero code |
[15:40] |
| ben_vulpes: |
so i'm writing some trivial conditions for when it does fail, which means handling eg missing gpg keys |
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| mircea_popescu: |
aite. |
[15:41] |
| ben_vulpes: |
the situation's a good example of the tension between writing code that does one thing really specifically well, and fits-in-head, vs a larger program that handles eg conditions and the concomittant complexity |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: if it didn't pass error codes, how the hell did it work to detect if sig was valid |
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| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform: didja read it? |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i explicitly tested error code downstream of sb-ext. it's not that it "doesn't pass error codes" it's that error code is surfaced in the process struct that sb-ext:run-program returns |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i was a bit surprised that sb-ext:run-program did not signal a condition when the program so ran exited with something other than zero. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
https://www.rt.com/sport/371531-khl-team-soviet-anthem/ |
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| mircea_popescu: |
ben_vulpes to my eyes "the situation" ie, the developer's own private choice, illustrates the natural tendency of one to cruft up his workbench. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i'll buy it |
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| ben_vulpes: |
any suggestions on where up the tree to nuke a branch and reduce complexity? |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: not yet read |
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| asciilifeform: |
now i gotta wonder if anybody read, e.g., FUCKGOATS |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i've not yet |
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| mircea_popescu: |
ben_vulpes just have it silenty discard all patches that aren't sealed properly for the narrow definition of properly neh ? |
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| asciilifeform: |
this is the only way where variant-wots work correctly, aha. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i suppose there's no practical way around the patches and signatures sharing a prefix. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
does this hurt anything ? |
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| ben_vulpes: |
it costs in complexity, yes. could be argued that it is a very minimal cost, but i would still prefer to "pick any signature from .seals that verifies" instead of the by my read promisetronic "pick any signature whose filename contains the filename of the patch under verification" |
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| mircea_popescu: |
i don't get it. suppose you ran a maternity ward, would you go "adding nametags to the kids adds complexity, just send the mothers naked in a room fulla puppies let them pick which fit to their teat" ? |
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| mircea_popescu: |
i dunno how either the current method adds complexity (show this ?) or the alternative isn't rank insanity. why should i have to look at >1 seal to verify a patch ? |
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| mircea_popescu: |
(and please don't tell me your idea is that the reason room-fulla-puppies isn't how maternity wards are ran is because cunt runs on perl and most kids therefore fit to most teats.) |
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| ben_vulpes: |
i was holding that one in abeyence for lols |
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| ben_vulpes: |
also that mothers know which baby is theirs and a signature can't tell me which patch it belongs to |
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| ben_vulpes: |
look i'm pointing at a promisetronic bit of v and saying "hey look i think this is a bit floppy" |
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| ben_vulpes: |
if it's fine, whatever |
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| ben_vulpes: |
the naive o(n^2) calculation is to say "there is a signature for this patch" and not giving a shit about which signature, provided it corresponds to a key in .wot . |
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| ben_vulpes: |
in which i realize that to get code review in tmsr you have to paste it into irc one line at a time |
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| mircea_popescu: |
lolwut. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
naw, kiddin |
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| ben_vulpes: |
sorta |
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| mircea_popescu: |
anyway, the idea is maximum power for the user. a scheme whereby i am forced to check all seals for each patch dispowers me a system whereby i can always resolve each patch in at least 1 checks or however many i feel like doing empowers me. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
now, there's entirely nothing "promisetronic" about people providing seals named as their patches are named. if they fail to do this - their patch won't work. |
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| deedbot: |
http://qntra.net/2016/12/92-presumed-dead-as-russian-passenger-plane-headed-to-syria-crashes/ << Qntra - 92 Presumed Dead As Russian Passenger Plane Headed To Syria Crashes |
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| ben_vulpes: |
it is a small but worth-noting difference between "put yer patches in this here directory, your signatures in this other, and your pubkeys in this third". |
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| mircea_popescu: |
i guess it is. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
dude this is the exact plane that the poles died in |
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| mircea_popescu: |
what is with the tu154 |
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| BingoBoingo: |
Popular plane, long production run. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
not that many still flying after 1990. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
Aeroflot didn't retire till 2010 |
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| BingoBoingo: |
Apparently 51 still in service |
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| mircea_popescu: |
ouch/ |
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| Framedragger: |
:( re. the ensemble |
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| mircea_popescu: |
anyway the jewish thing is proceeding nicely, israel no longer funding un bodies israel ministers no longer allowed to visit countries or meet officials from 14 list. |
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| Framedragger: |
unrelated such heavy reliance on archive.is by qntra, irc forum et al. scares me. it seems to be doing ~fine and i like the owner's attitude (http://archive.is/faq), but 'someone' should make another one |
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| mircea_popescu: |
Framedragger no argument there. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
the problem of saving html soup well is hard phf announced working on it some time ago but i dunno how it goes. |
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| BingoBoingo: |
links are a courtesy, if html soup dies then it dies |
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| BingoBoingo: |
and the qntra remains |
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| BingoBoingo: |
At least until better situation comes |
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| BingoBoingo: |
brb, cookies |
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| mircea_popescu: |
Framedragger we do also have a scheme whereby we save the plain data and deedbot under consideration, but meh. |
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| Framedragger: |
mircea_popescu are you referring to the time-honoured "put some irc logs into deedbot" practice? :D (that i'd seen) |
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| mircea_popescu: |
"I knew Obama was looking to take sweet revenge against Israel and Netanyahu. Since he was elected in 2009, he was hostile to settlements and Netanyahu. He revealed his true face with an anti-Israel decision but Netanyahu and Israel will defeat him." << they very likely will, too. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
imagine, to go in trying to fight "world problems", to be fucked raw by putin and eventually defeated... by fucking israel. |
[17:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i could fart a larger country. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
Framedragger nah, it's in the logs, have an auto dld of links |
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| Framedragger: |
ah 'kay |
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| ben_vulpes: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590190 << ironclad claims to have a "pure lisp" implementation of rsa but i have not confirmed this for myself |
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| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-24 16:53 gabriel_laddel: common lisp rsa when |
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| Framedragger: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590417 << ok for posterity: the way you deal with this is, you just dd all of it to PC then you dd again and compare checksums if they don't match, drink, else, proceed: dd it to a new sd card, mount, and smile |
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| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 15:51 Framedragger: i don't suppose anyone here has messed with android 'adopted' storage? (use sd card as internal encrypted android storage.) i'm trying to recover files from a half-broken 32GB sd card which has weirdo android-internal partitions and encryption.. oh god |
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| Framedragger: |
if the latter does *not* work, you first make a noncommittal vow not to deal with android in the future, swear, drink a bit, and then proceed with aes key extraction as per http://nelenkov.blogspot.lt/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html you need to root phone, which may reset and wipe the device, so check if that's even possible to do don't forget to drink. cloning worked for me. don't forget to drink. |
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| Framedragger: |
(and don't use 'adopted storage' in android in the future. it's stupid.) |
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| mircea_popescu: |
or for that matter, android. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
chaste hardware, promiscuous hardware |
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| asciilifeform: |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590665 << last i saw, it used openliquishit ffi |
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| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-25 22:27 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590190 << ironclad claims to have a "pure lisp" implementation of rsa but i have not confirmed this for myself |
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| ben_vulpes: |
well that'd be in stark contrast to the claim i remember |
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| ben_vulpes: |
in other hashing bafflements: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xaEPR/?raw=true |
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| asciilifeform: |
i have nfi, why not read the src, then tell us.. |
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| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform: perhaps someday |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes: lemme guess, it takes liberties with newlines |
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| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform: i'll investigate |
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| ben_vulpes: |
('it' == ironclad ?) |
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| ben_vulpes: |
asciilifeform: kinda looks like it |
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| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDE0EB6C581D23C4D24451A316CF43EFB241A22EA35B998B4CB6A7DC79AB7548 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2284...9293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.153.12 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.153.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ds62-138-153-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) |
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| phf: |
asciilifeform: for the record there's not a single line of ffi in ironclad. we've had this conversation before |
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| phf: |
it also has rsa, but ~rsa~ only, i.e. no openpgp containers, etc. |
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| phf: |
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/froydnj/ironclad/master/src/public-key/rsa.lisp) |
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| phf: |
re "liberty with whitespace" there's something else going on. it's doing everything through unsigned-byte 8 |
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| asciilifeform: |
phf: yer right re ssl |
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| asciilifeform: |
phf: but! why in satan's name does it hardcode sha1 for rsa verify |
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| asciilifeform: |
(let |
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| asciilifeform: |
:n-bits nbits))) |
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| asciilifeform: |
(pss-verify :sha1 (subseq msg start end) s)) .... |
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| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/732B6ECA80C1AFFFDBB3E4674BD145C574619E727D9424873C0639390EF2185E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...8387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.63.41 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.63.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (elpedro.org. DE BE) |
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| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DCB6B1F4EB07F9AF71DD622786C79F80F02682EFEFD3CFFC4A3949440C154772 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9461...8009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.121 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown MX CHH) |
[21:11] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66A1CED0DEFE3C7069D483AF7322FB725909DBDCDBBD55CA015687F600637935 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9461...8009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.17.133 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.17.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown MX CHH) |
[21:11] |
| * phf |
nods |
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| mircea_popescu: |
to keep with gpg ? |
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| phf: |
ben_vulpes: according to master this is the reason http://glyf.org/tmp/ironclad-sha512.patch unsigned for obvious reasons |
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| asciilifeform: |
original author's hands grew from what place, that he released this |
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| phf: |
https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/commit/83975c965392ae3ed940736c9f0f4921af4116ad |
[21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i don't get it, this is the reason for what ? |
[21:41] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: for http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590676 |
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| a111: |
Logged on 2016-12-26 00:00 ben_vulpes: in other hashing bafflements: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xaEPR/?raw=true |
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| mircea_popescu: |
and who the fuck uses sha512/384 already |
[21:43] |
| asciilifeform: |
512? v uses |
[21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: |
no, we use sha-2 512 not sha-2 384 do we |
[21:43] |
| asciilifeform: |
the former |
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| asciilifeform: |
afaik nobody uses 384 |
[21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: |
well so then. |
[21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i have nfi why it was even specified other than a love of bloat. all the bs 224 384 blabla does not belong. either you word allign or go away. |
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| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes above found catastrophic ?!?? in ironclad's sha512 tho. |
[21:45] |
| asciilifeform: |
see link. |
[21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i see the link. i suspect variant sha512 implementations. |
[21:45] |
| asciilifeform: |
variant == buggy |
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| * mircea_popescu |
reviews fips-180-2 |
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| mircea_popescu: |
"The SHA-1 is used to compute a message digest for a message or data file that is provided as input. The message or data file should be considered to be a bit string. The length of the message is the number of bits in the message (the empty message has length 0). If the number of bits in a message is a multiple of 8, for compactness we can represent the message in hex. The purpose of message padding is to make the total lengt |
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| mircea_popescu: |
h of a padded message a multiple of 512. The SHA-1 sequentially processes blocks of 512 bits when computing the message digest. The following specifies how this padding shall be performed. As a summary, a "1" followed by m "0"s followed by a 64-bit integer are appended to the end of the message to produce a padded message of length 512 * n. The 64-bit integer is l, the length of the original message. The padded message is the |
[21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: |
n processed by the SHA-1 as n 512-bit blocks." |
[21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: |
there's no half byte anywhere in there, is there ? |
[21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: |
bah im reading the old one. |
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| mircea_popescu: |
check that out, there's no actual fips 180 past 1 published online. because why the fuck would there be. anyway, i can't source this "The SHA512/384 spec says that the final bit length of the message is to be stored as a 128-bit (!) integer at the end of the message." assertion. as best it can be determined the blocks are either 512 (for sanity) or 1024 bits (for 384 hmac etc) |
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| phf: |
nah, it's gotta be online |
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| phf: |
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.180-4.pdf |
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| mircea_popescu: |
"pdf" != published. |
[22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
nope. |
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| phf: |
i see |
[22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
also if they "publish" it in klyngon, or in cuneiform, or etcetera. published means it works on computers. |
[22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
(in principle the off-bits versions, 299, 511, whatever monkey numbers should be merely truncated versions of the immediately above hash. but who even knows by now.) |
[22:02] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/732B6ECA80C1AFFFDBB3E4674BD145C574619E727D9424873C0639390EF2185E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...1507 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.63.41 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.63.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (elpedro.org. DE BE) |
[22:45] |
| phf: |
asciilifeform: http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2014/12/29/ironclads-history.html in case you were wondering "how the fuck" |
[22:54] |
| phf: |
(i remember there being a standalone sha256 (?) version for sbcl, but i can't find it now. everything crypto that's coming up re lisp is ironclad.) |
[22:56] |
| deedbot: |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C547879EB8BEF6913685CF454B6838C672E76BF3A08B6AD369EFF88F7A19F18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1495...1457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.252.69.242 (ssh-rsa key from 188.252.69.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (host242-188-252-69.limes.com.pl. PL) |
[23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: |
pete_dushenski you know ftr sourdough is supposed to be made at home. |
[23:56] |
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