Forum logs for 25 Apr 2019
| spyked: | notice: I will be out of town for cca 1 week starting tomorrow, so I'll have limited access to my keys and I might handle e.g. feedbot outages with some delay. | [03:51] |
| spyked: | will keep on blogging, though. /me is looking forward to photo posts | [03:53] |
| * mircea_popescu | waves | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is basically a drill. | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | wholly mobile mircea_popescu works fine exactly as per design. | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | and incidentally, trinque 's otp way the fuck smarter than gpg's ascii armor format, slavegirl reports. degree of magnitude faster wetware diode if one needn't handle the shift. | [05:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2019#2531956 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo" | [06:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-24 20:47 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo? | [06:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | if, in the flow of that work, we discover something important enough that it requires a change of direction significant enough to actually use a new name, it's still improper to say the work put into finding the something was either lost or "not put into ultimate product". | [06:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | so... all of it ? or how do you mean ? what % of your own worktime ? | [06:20] |
| * mircea_popescu | shall bbl, on mp_en_viaje . cheerios! | [07:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [07:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up RubenSomsen | [07:24] |
| deedbot: | RubenSomsen voiced for 30 minutes. | [07:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | who might you be then ? | [07:24] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2019/so-here-i-sit/ << Trilema -- So here I sit... | [08:21] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909793 <-- link seems b0rken? | [09:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-24 17:13 asciilifeform: the orig nvidia simulators noosepiece , ftr. | [09:08] |
| asciilifeform: | spyked: try https://archive.is/3bxUt . | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | spyked: re earlier thrd, i suspect yer real question was, how much work ought one to put into keeping unix on life support. | [10:57] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and the approx answer is, defo not zero -- right nao the choices consist of ye olde unix and this ) | [10:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-29 21:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal. | [10:59] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g. an auto-installable cuntoo that runs on commonplace irons and includes working gnat, vtron, etc. would save massive amount of work, vs. current situation where 'oh you bought a new box? here's a buncha toothpicks and glue' | [11:09] |
| asciilifeform: | ( consider, for instance, how hanbot's cuntoo experiment ended ) | [11:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | In local news, derps *really* want to chase Petrobras out... Despite Bras having hydrocarbons and the derps not https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/blog-en-vivo-segui-las-novedades-sobre-el-control-obrero-en-montevideo-gas-201942584431 | [14:09] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/04/us-court-rules-in-favor-of-police-finger-forcing/ << Qntra -- US Court Rules In Favor Of Police Finger Forcing | [14:33] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/04/pantsuitist-loots-ngo-lobbying-to-get-un-job-gets-job-un-and-fucks-ngo-all-while-thinking-of-the-children/ << Qntra -- Pantsuitist Loots NGO Lobbying To Get UN Job, Gets Job UN And Fucks NGO All While Thinking Of The Children | [14:51] |
| feedbot: | http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08c-feedbot-iii.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot [iii]: the IRC bot | [15:15] |
| PeterL: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/ | [15:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-23 23:03 asciilifeform: ^ and before mp asks, yes it's combo of manual typewriter and ink pen, and no it won't in a million years ocr, other than by meat ( and is largely schematics / waveforms anyway ) | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: nifty, nao just needs somebody else to do it again and see if ya missed a plus for a minus somewhere, lol | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ( not a specific criticism of ^item, but rather the unfortunate reality of 'meat ocr' ) | [15:41] |
| PeterL: | proof-reading welcom, I included a link to the pdf in a footnote | [15:41] |
| * asciilifeform | brb:tea | [15:42] |
| bvt: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1909969 << that clarifies the issue, thanks. i got momentarily confused because imho cuntoo (as gentoo repo snapshot) is too large to pull off http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909621 - i see no way to replace gcc with tcc and 'rebuild world' without rewriting ebuilds/getting a ton of errors but should be realistic with something smaller (which i plan to do). | [16:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-25 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2019#2531956 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo" | [16:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-24 14:36 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909529 << the idea isn't to get tcc to compile ada. the idea is to destroy gcc -- cut the "useful compilation half" into an ada compiler cut the shitlands compilation half into a small weight something else. there is no republican future for gcc as a gcc in the foss / linus-stallman sense of the term. | [16:52] |
| bvt: | also, i was under impression that asciilifeform suggests to ditch C after getting sane iron | [16:53] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: sane iron is not expected today or tomorrow | [17:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ( how to build it -- asciilifeform and many other people know how to ~pay~ for building it, presently no one knows ) | [17:21] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: as for c, i described in the prev. mp thread re the subj, it can certainly ~exist~ as a zoological specimen on sane iron, as it did on bolix. sorta how you can put cobol on yer box nao if you feel like it., | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. worx but in no sense 'primacy' | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: as for tcc , i suspect ( but do not know for fact ) that good % of commonplace linux userland is married to gcc nonstandard knobs | [17:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ( we know that a 15 y.o. kernel did build on tcc sans eggog, but afaik that's all that is currently known ) | [17:29] |
| asciilifeform: | c lang 'standard' was such a sorry joke that this kinda thing is inevitable | [17:30] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. there is not and cannot be such a thing as a nontrivial c/cpp proggy that 'uses only what is in the standard' | [17:30] |
| asciilifeform: | observe that (despite considerable sweat) asciilifeform was not even able to write ffa , on gnat, 'using only what is standard' | [17:30] |
| asciilifeform: | cuz all kindsa essentials , in unixland, are not in fact standardized in any sense (e.g. cmdline params) | [17:31] |
| asciilifeform: | or consider how ada standard omits 'shifts' | [17:31] |
| asciilifeform: | or.. could go on | [17:31] |
| asciilifeform: | re gcc, the obv. 1st reaction 'so fucking make it all conform to standard' leads nowhere, you cannot write e.g. a device driver in 'standard c' , as it dun give you even such basic thing full bitwise control of struct | [17:36] |
| asciilifeform: | * basic thing as | [17:36] |
| asciilifeform: | even positing pc iron and mircea_popescu's 'why not at least rewrite os in ada' , it isn't clear to me why you'd want to keep e.g. unix's retarded process model ( where process cannot , say, propagate an ada exception for sane eggog handling, but is stuck dying and returning numeric barf code ) if you do such thing. | [17:40] |
| asciilifeform: | the whole edifice of unix is structured around the retarded semantics of c. | [17:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ( the concept of 'memory protection', for instance, is entirely a product of the tardlang ) | [17:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ditto unix 'signals', structured entirely around lack of a sane standardized tasking system | [17:43] |
| asciilifeform: | i could go on for literally a week and not even scratch the surface of this house of horrors. | [17:43] |
| asciilifeform: | or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed ) | [17:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-02-20 19:31 mircea_popescu: right, "compilation, you mean caching ?". | [17:46] |
| asciilifeform: | or... i sorta have entire www about this, so will stop here for nao. | [17:47] |
| asciilifeform: | wb Mocky | [18:38] |
| Mocky: | thx asciilifeform | [18:38] |
| asciilifeform: | how's the gulag these days ? | [18:38] |
| Mocky: | quite good actually | [18:38] |
| Mocky: | ya know, for that kind of thing :) | [18:40] |
| asciilifeform: | 'работа стоит а срок идет'(tm)(r) eh | [18:40] |
| Mocky: | im enjoying the work and the learning new things | [18:41] |
| Mocky: | and the interacting with more people more often | [18:41] |
| asciilifeform: | woah -- moved into sales or wat | [18:41] |
| Mocky: | no but working on my own team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out to helping other teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends | [18:43] |
| asciilifeform: | if it aint a seekrit, what do they make there ? accounting soft for ancient ibm iron ? | [18:45] |
| Mocky: | my team is writing an application for nurses who are giving care to pregnant chix in their homes, so they can access the functionality of their online medical system, while offline | [18:49] |
| asciilifeform: | must be well-moneyed chix, if they have personal nurse, eh | [18:52] |
| Mocky: | nope, poor chix who have trouble getting into the dr regularly. Its cheaper for insurance company to run this in-home program than to pay for the complications that would otherwise occur | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [18:54] |
| Mocky: | spyked: how would you feel about changing your feedbot announce format from "~link << ~site -- ~title" to "~site -- [~link][~title]" ? | [19:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | The latest development on the Natural Gas plant is... The derps left after the Police showed up. | [21:50] |
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