Forum logs for 23 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot Eviacloud.com - Bury your old hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaeVHs ) [00:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you happen to recall that trilema article where i went in depth into the economics of spamming ? [00:09]
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asciilifeform 'As the biggest online newspaper in Slovakia we need to effectively handle everyday peaks in traffic on our online discussions regarding "women segment".' << wat [00:10]
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mircea_popescu lmao jurov [00:12]
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jurov en masse [00:12]
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mircea_popescu lmao jurov [00:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you happen to recall that trilema article where i went in depth into the economics of spamming ? [00:12]
asciilifeform hmm [00:14]
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asciilifeform the one with the idiot who posted raw spamgen script ? [00:14]
mircea_popescu mebbe ? the onle where the entire cycle of kid sees spam -> kid imagines this works because it exists -> kid tries it for a while, thus perpetuating it -> kid fails to make any money goves up -> new kid [00:15]
mircea_popescu i dun wanna rewrite the whole thing ;/ [00:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu [00:19]
assbot And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zag0yY ) [00:19]
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mircea_popescu fuck. thank you! [00:20]
mircea_popescu i managed to fucking troll myself with my own trolling title choosing process [00:20]
asciilifeform lol [00:21]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/pakistani-scammer-spammer-working-for-sanofi-aventis-pakistan-ltd-aka-indus-pharmacom/ [00:22]
assbot Pakistani scammer & spammer, working for Sanofi-Aventis Pakistan LTD, aka indus-pharma.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zagjKa ) [00:22]
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xanthyos i got a tablet. sshing from dantim [00:45]
xanthyos danielpbarron [00:45]
xanthyos onntablet [00:46]
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mircea_popescu wat srsly ? [00:47]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [00:47]
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xanthyos looking for the tab key on a tablet ssh client [00:48]
xanthyos i am in dpb's house [00:48]
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mircea_popescu ha! [00:49]
kakobrekla :) [00:49]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ty [00:51]
asciilifeform whither arsebot ? [00:51]
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mircea_popescu apparently they're molesting britni [00:51]
mircea_popescu !up chiral [00:51]
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mircea_popescu hey there chiral. [00:52]
kakobrekla no but i had to take it down cause i hated some css [00:52]
mircea_popescu !up cb_bitcoin [00:52]
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kakobrekla true story [00:52]
mircea_popescu lol wut ?! [00:52]
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mircea_popescu !up Dr-G2 [00:53]
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mircea_popescu !up huseby [00:53]
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lampelina Lee- ll lobbes Luke-Jr Lycerion [00:53]
lampelina Lee- ll lobbes Luke-Jr Lycerion [00:53]
mircea_popescu !up ll [00:53]
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kakobrekla once you enable private network all the charts in their ui become unreadable colors form some unknown fuckin reason. i wanted old colors back, cant do it without downtime. fuckers. [00:54]
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mircea_popescu hallo names i'm unfamiliar with! how are you today ? [00:55]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: author - straight to biodiesel. co-miserators - straight to biodiesel. <<< there's lizzard hitler, and then there' [01:00]
mircea_popescu s ascii hitler. [01:00]
asciilifeform lol [01:01]
asciilifeform wot are we supposed to do with folks too stupid to live [01:01]
asciilifeform and seeking to infect others. [01:01]
mircea_popescu i dun wanna do anything. lazy. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate. << the practical problem with this is that bayesian filtering only works for as long as it stays small. [01:03]
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asciilifeform naturally, tumour must be removed while operable. [01:04]
asciilifeform when patient is 50% tumour by weight - which half do you even say 'hello' to ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla: Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person <<< o.O [01:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite lol [01:05]
chetty well if its called O I dont speak to it [01:05]
mircea_popescu that's a splendid way to put it lol, "which half do you even say hello to" [01:05]
asciilifeform identity is a slippery thing when there are brain parasites about. [01:06]
mircea_popescu in other news : the eulora tier 0 items recipes etc are finally finished as a bulk. on next update, game will get the ~100 or so maze of resources, armors, hats, what have you. [01:06]
asciilifeform (slippery even without them, but manageably so) [01:06]
mircea_popescu i made it myself, and i dare say im fucking proud of it like it were a work of art, that list. [01:07]
mircea_popescu dali could not have done better! [01:07]
chetty I wonder if there was a gentlemans club somewhere that lamented the arrival of the automobile and just knew it would ruin good horses [01:07]
mircea_popescu chetty this happened. [01:07]
chetty and sadly there are very few good horses now, at least comparably [01:08]
asciilifeform 'association of licensed automobile manufacturers' ? [01:08]
asciilifeform the one h. ford fought with [01:08]
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asciilifeform http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html [01:12]
asciilifeform (no connection, afaik, to horses, however) [01:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6727 BTC [-] [01:15]
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mircea_popescu !up mandycandy [01:36]
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jurov no one dares to speak up anymore [01:43]
jurov these insufficiently beaten kids [01:43]
ben_vulpes all the free voice anyone could want... [01:43]
mircea_popescu lol j [01:45]
mircea_popescu you may have a point there. [01:45]
jurov i'm actually poking fun at your fav education method [01:47]
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mircea_popescu for shame. it made men out of all my women! [01:48]
ben_vulpes i just treated girly anemia with succinate << what lead you to that treatment? [01:49]
mircea_popescu uh [01:49]
mircea_popescu ferrous succinate, you realise ? [01:50]
ben_vulpes well now i do >.< [01:50]
mircea_popescu :p [01:50]
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ben_vulpes compare ms-dos, still to this day accepted here as a paragon of programming << news to me [01:53]
mircea_popescu really ? let's examine this! [01:54]
mircea_popescu 1. how long did it take to boot ? [01:54]
mircea_popescu 2. what was the dependency hell like ? [01:54]
mircea_popescu 3. what drivers were "out of date" ? [01:54]
mircea_popescu how often did it croak spontaneously ? [01:55]
ben_vulpes i've no idea! [01:56]
* ben_vulpes was raised on macintoshes [01:56]
mircea_popescu oh. [01:56]
mircea_popescu well k. [01:56]
mircea_popescu anyway point being it's the level 0 of suck, ie, a honest, basic suckage. [01:56]
ben_vulpes i am interested in the history, though. [01:56]
ben_vulpes mm [01:56]
mircea_popescu a point not commonly reached these days [01:56]
ben_vulpes honest suckage, eh? [01:57]
ben_vulpes mebbe a motto for the foundation [01:57]
mircea_popescu yes. now there;s all this demonic elaborate suckage from hell. [01:57]
ben_vulpes "simple, honest suckage." [01:58]
mircea_popescu ayup [01:58]
asciilifeform most folks who remember msdos with ill thoughts, i've found, suffered in the latter part of the '90s with 'memory hell' [01:59]
asciilifeform but this was really intel's fault. [02:00]
ben_vulpes "memory hell"? [02:00]
asciilifeform !s 640K [02:00]
assbot 0 results for '640K' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=640K [02:00]
mircea_popescu the entire memory hole thing. bypass still present in bioses as late as the 2005s [02:01]
asciilifeform nah [02:01]
asciilifeform that's another thing [02:01]
mircea_popescu lol ? [02:01]
mircea_popescu mebbe mah memory fails me in my middle age !! [02:01]
jurov not very fair comparison...there was Das IBM PC, apps were expected to talk directly to hardware [02:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, msdos as an os was not horrible. it wasn't great or w/e, arbitrary standards, but better oses are not actually common today. [02:01]
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asciilifeform for physical addressing of certain isa cards [02:02]
jurov CD-ROM was first device driver i remember [02:02]
asciilifeform one could turn on 'memory hole' in some old bios configurators. [02:02]
asciilifeform apps were expected to talk directly to hardware << except for disk. hence the 'd' in msdos. [02:02]
jurov you even had list of known disk geometries hardwired in bios [02:03]
asciilifeform aha [02:03]
asciilifeform mostly for the int 13 bios routine that loaded the boot block [02:03]
asciilifeform (afaik all classical dos-es used it for disk access likewise, though) [02:04]
mircea_popescu anwyay, you could rewrite your io.sys. this was trivial enough to do that brigther highschoolers did it to prank each other. [02:05]
asciilifeform but yes, 20 bits of address space, cut into idiot 'segmentation' - thank intel. [02:05]
jurov and i'm not sure it's actually intel fault...rather msft was utterly inept to use real mode emulation [02:05]
asciilifeform what emulation. [02:06]
asciilifeform thing ran in real mode. [02:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00045902 = 22.2166 BTC [-] {2} [02:06]
asciilifeform (various games, and winblows 3.x which used 'protected mode extender' excepted - but when you switch on prot. mode, you're no longer using msdos as such) [02:06]
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jurov twas industry standard practice. years in 2 bytes, memory 20 bits... if you asked for more, got called idiot [02:07]
asciilifeform real mode, for folks who grew up on mars, far away from msdos: 64k segments (16 bits of address space). and segment selector. [02:08]
asciilifeform http://www.howtogeek.com/188980/pcs-before-windows-what-using-ms-dos-was-actually-like << for martians [02:10]
assbot PCs Before Windows: What Using MS-DOS Was Actually Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1raPv8s ) [02:10]
* asciilifeform ^ did not know that an article like this existed, or was thought by someone to be needed [02:11]
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jurov we got there by piling chairs upon poor 8088. preserving binary compatibility for all costs worked for people involved [02:11]
mircea_popescu this is a good point. [02:11]
jurov idiotic for you [02:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00047099 = 3.2418 BTC [+] [02:11]
mircea_popescu people easily forget that the "two byte year" comes from a time when they also had a 20 byte bus [02:11]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: think of the children! [02:12]
asciilifeform the year was pure idiocy. [02:12]
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mircea_popescu "real mode", in the following sense : just like you have ints and floats, ie, reals, ie, two ints bundled together one playing mantissa [02:12]
mircea_popescu JUST SO you could have "real" registers! [02:12]
mircea_popescu ie, floats! [02:12]
asciilifeform not related [02:12]
asciilifeform (floating point was not originally part of intel arch, in case anyone forgot or never owned a 'weitek') [02:13]
mircea_popescu same thought process imo [02:13]
asciilifeform but when weitek (original brand of 'fpu') appeared, registers therein were already, iirc, 80 bit [02:13]
asciilifeform just as now [02:13]
jurov mircea_popescu stan is talking about pseudo-8088 memory space done by real mode segments [02:14]
* mircea_popescu strains to remember [02:14]
asciilifeform afaik the etymology of 'real' in 'real mode' was such: no use made of page tables and other indirections [02:14]
asciilifeform therefore 'real'. [02:14]
asciilifeform incidentally, [02:15]
mircea_popescu wait, is this the thing which ambiguously allocated a part of the pages [02:15]
mircea_popescu so you could read a portion in front from two diff places [02:15]
asciilifeform all compliant intel clones support another mode, not mentioned in manuals, which became known as 'unreal mode' [02:15]
asciilifeform entirely identical to classical 'real' mode but without the 20bit limit. [02:15]
asciilifeform http://wiki.osdev.org/Unreal_Mode [02:15]
assbot Unreal Mode - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOAa4K ) [02:15]
asciilifeform you're still stuck with the 'segments' idiocy, though [02:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is this the real that was address-ambiguous, which is how 286 "protected" mode came about ? [02:17]
asciilifeform aha [02:17]
asciilifeform though 'protected' also added page table and thereby virtual addressing [02:17]
mircea_popescu yes lol [02:17]
mircea_popescu kinda when the insanity starts. "o, we'll fix it." [02:17]
asciilifeform (where one can have multiple tasks, and each has illusion of owning the machine, swapping from disk on access to physically-nonexisting page, etc. the whole shebang.) [02:18]
mircea_popescu jesus they had some incredible "mystery code" back then, cuz you never really knew what's being addressed how. [02:18]
asciilifeform actually it was surprisingly readable [02:18]
asciilifeform at least, in the period when mostly written by hand [02:19]
asciilifeform even today, the (rare) malware written in asm, once you get past the obfuscations, is easier to make sense of than conventional (compiled) turds [02:19]
asciilifeform because it had to make sense to author. [02:20]
mircea_popescu maybe 15yo me speaking through my voice. but what i recall was "o noes, memory mapping" [02:21]
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mircea_popescu punkman: so deeds server was maybe hacked <<< eh ? [02:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00045834 = 5.8209 BTC [-] [02:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00045752 = 11.2092 BTC [-] {2} [02:44]
thestringpuller again? [02:44]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: found a cool app that teaches basic circuit building. (like gates and shit), i was wondering if you had any references to good exercises, in your vast library :P [02:45]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: for n00bz, 'basic electronics' (forrest m. mims). for adults, 'art of electronics', horowitz & hill. [03:06]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: these are my personal favourites from these categories [03:06]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: scratch that, it was 'getting started in electronics' (mims) [03:08]
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mircea_popescu romanian press : "wow, find out how much alina eremia makes working for romanian tv!!!" "alina eremia paid kingly-ly for role in tv!!!11" "find out here..." etc. [04:46]
mircea_popescu chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax. [04:46]
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mircea_popescu !up Vexual [04:56]
-assbot- You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes. [04:56]
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mircea_popescu nah, euros. [04:56]
Vexual be better in bitcoin [04:57]
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Vexual still decent money, no? [04:59]
mircea_popescu if it is i don't see it. [05:01]
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mircea_popescu pretty sure callgirls make about 10x that. [05:01]
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Vexual she ends up with a better resume [05:12]
mircea_popescu than a callgirl ? i dun see it. [05:12]
Vexual I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff [05:14]
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Vexual is cazalla looking for an au pair? free rabbits [05:23]
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ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo [05:30]
assbot Rocket Launch Failures Compilation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBN9L ) [05:30]
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mats_cd03 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592 << another day, another systemd inflicted bug [06:04]
assbot oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/11ocaaB ) [06:04]
asciilifeform ahahahaha [06:04]
mats_cd03 huggles [06:05]
asciilifeform buggles [06:05]
asciilifeform speaking of which [06:06]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes still working on wedged bitcoind ? [06:07]
asciilifeform or somebody ? [06:07]
ben_vulpes mhm. [06:09]
ben_vulpes ramming it into the iceberg again [06:10]
ben_vulpes working on some testing automation to boot [06:10]
asciilifeform afaik kakobrekla's db trick has no effect in 0.5.3 [06:10]
ben_vulpes no effect for me either with a wedged chain [06:11]
ben_vulpes recently restarted from zero with the db_config file [06:11]
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asciilifeform ever set up local node to pump blockchain from exclusively ? [06:13]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [06:14]
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Vexual I've sent my fair share of malformed tx [06:15]
kakobrekla but did you restart it hehe [06:19]
Vexual yeah, i send em out from time to time [06:20]
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asciilifeform much like the early concept of 'space station' was born from the fact of 'a military satellite's expensive, someone gotta change the vacuum tubes when they burn' - [06:20]
asciilifeform we're still at this stage. [06:21]
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kakobrekla i was saying to ascii anywho. [06:23]
Vexual yeah all I want to know id who ignores it [06:23]
kakobrekla next question is should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86 [06:24]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: why do you suppose i asked for the book [06:24]
Vexual what book? [06:24]
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asciilifeform Vexual: see jurov's summary: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea [06:24]
assbot A dangerous idea - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/11od32U ) [06:24]
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Vexual oh, the book [06:25]
asciilifeform aha. [06:25]
kakobrekla 'i once tought about bitcoin but then realized we cant build a computer' [06:25]
kakobrekla something like that [06:25]
kakobrekla is this how it went? [06:26]
asciilifeform actually i started out thinking about something quite else, when realized that we can't build a computer. [06:26]
kakobrekla close http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272 [06:26]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/11odaLT ) [06:26]
asciilifeform but it applies, yes [06:26]
kakobrekla yes it was a reference to that [06:26]
asciilifeform not entirely off the mark. [06:27]
kakobrekla you think i can come up with such stuff myself? [06:27]
mats_cd03 what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? [06:27]
kakobrekla wrong [06:27]
mats_cd03 earliest log reference is to mp. no context. [06:27]
asciilifeform take your pick of a sufficiently 'heavy' problem (not necessarily deeply-mathematical, however) and, carry it on long enough, will realize - that we don't really 'have computers.' [06:27]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: there is a film convention, found usually in 'superhero' yarns, where a gang of derps each of whom amounts to exactly nothing, 'combine their powers' and form an invincible killing machine of one kind or another [06:29]
asciilifeform by same convention, they will only do so at the last minute, when about to be crushed one by one by the forces of evil (tm) [06:29]
asciilifeform this may be the source of the reference in question. iirc, 'power rangers' was one such film. [06:30]
mats_cd03 i see [06:31]
Vexual lol wheres batman when you need him [06:34]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399 [06:34]
assbot Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat. [06:34]
Vexual yeah or he just goes and takes tuxs safe [06:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax << what does 18k usd buy in ro ? [06:36]
asciilifeform in usa, it buys a very small car. [06:37]
Vexual rents > 100 ? [06:37]
Vexual remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties [06:38]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86 << what do you think. [06:39]
Vexual yes [06:40]
asciilifeform back to that thread: can't speak for others, but i don't intend to use the trimmed 0.5.3 in anger. [06:41]
asciilifeform beyond verifying that it indeed functions. [06:41]
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kakobrekla and if it doesnt, whats the plan? [06:46]
asciilifeform well it doesn't, at present [06:46]
asciilifeform plan was, someone wanted to fix it... [06:46]
kakobrekla no that wasnt the question [06:47]
asciilifeform lol, question was re: stealth hardfork ? [06:47]
kakobrekla yea i guess [06:48]
asciilifeform somebody here, iirc, suggested exactly this. [06:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in bucharest probably a one room studio and buttermilk. [06:51]
mircea_popescu NOT within the first three arondisments, either. [06:51]
asciilifeform even so [06:52]
mircea_popescu but this "in romania" discussion is entirely besides the point, not like she can't just as well do it in switzerland or luxemburg or w/e. [06:52]
mircea_popescu I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff << they totally are. about 3/4 of my class in college was actual hos. [06:52]
mircea_popescu !up Vexual [06:53]
-assbot- You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes. [06:53]
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* asciilifeform not familiar with the figure in question, cannot comment [06:53]
Vexual 3 force expert [06:53]
mircea_popescu dude that bitcoin-assets bash is like the best site on the interne.t [06:54]
kakobrekla idk in a sense putting 0.5.3 together is worse than x10. not only it might tell you there is bad air, you cant open the window anyway. [06:54]
mircea_popescu "careful with that axe eugene" ? [06:55]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu right after maddox ? [06:55]
asciilifeform quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to. [06:56]
mircea_popescu lol wait, im caught in my own web of confusing references. say wut ? [06:56]
asciilifeform tickles the megalomaniacal muscle in any man [06:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let the idjits hardfork from it. [06:56]
kakobrekla flee to where? [06:56]
asciilifeform no, in this hypothetical, as i understand, we discover an irreparable boojum with chain as it exists. [06:57]
mircea_popescu "The attacker would need to guess the source port of the origin since he only [06:57]
mircea_popescu sees the query from victims upstream DNS, but since systemd-resolved also uses fix [06:57]
mircea_popescu source ports, thats easy." [06:57]
kakobrekla yes [06:57]
mircea_popescu holy shit is there something that's done right in systemd? [06:57]
mircea_popescu i mean, pid 1, whatever. but... [06:57]
mircea_popescu how many magic constants can a person eat ? [06:57]
mircea_popescu s/eat/shit/ [06:57]
Vexual 1800 jerry seinfeld [06:57]
Vexual did you see that snl bit? [06:58]
mircea_popescu later in that thread, "(This systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)" [06:58]
kakobrekla are you going to ignore everything after 252450 [06:58]
mircea_popescu srsly, can't even dump ? [06:58]
mircea_popescu why not just put it in journal binary files with the core dumps!!1 [06:58]
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mircea_popescu in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack. [07:01]
mircea_popescu such bright future with the bright kids the fucktarded "progressive" generation spawned. they've tried and therefore nobody should criticize them! touch the screen now! Change the world! revolutionize the tubes! 2.0! [07:01]
kakobrekla its 3.0 now. [07:01]
Vexual im running 4 [07:02]
asciilifeform there shall be no 4. on account of biodiesel. [07:02]
Vexual audi is making it from air [07:02]
Vexual i add sulphur with wine [07:02]
mircea_popescu http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/595 << meanwhile mitre (which is very much a usg-thing) is coming out with a "you know they don't really need to work because they're special kids". [07:03]
mircea_popescu so impressive. [07:03]
assbot oss-sec: Re: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNRZyO ) [07:03]
asciilifeform mitre is just an epsilon short of being an official organ, yes [07:03]
asciilifeform 'non-profit, ngo!' [07:03]
mircea_popescu then 5 different names have to waste the time out of their day, come in and say yo fuckwits! [07:03]
mircea_popescu and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles. [07:04]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the attackers can just keep right on firing packets [07:04]
mircea_popescu and you know, talk abut "do-ocracy". the fake do-ocracy of they firing out syn packets and then closing the socket. [07:04]
mircea_popescu and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using systemd." [07:05]
mircea_popescu right, those same resources that are drained away with crafted bullshit like this, a million different places. [07:06]
mircea_popescu because there is no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "From: cve-assign () mitre org" [07:06]
mircea_popescu just like there's no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "contributed a patch to openssh" [07:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet. [07:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in any case, my original change to github and generally the mangement of open source codebase of "add a read by X" field is not actually enough. [07:07]
* undata hopes to see any of the things asciilifeform has described someday [07:07]
mircea_popescu there must also somehow be added in there a "no dependencies" rule, somehow. [07:07]
mircea_popescu "your program must work whether any or all the dependencies exist on the syste" [07:07]
mircea_popescu and a simple "not all dependencies found, exiting" is not good enough. [07:08]
mircea_popescu it must still do everything not related. [07:08]
asciilifeform this is not high science, it was the original intent of the lowly gnu autoconf, even. [07:08]
mircea_popescu the fucking networking widget should instal and run without netbase, and do everything including populate the fucking fields and drawing the graphs. [07:08]
mircea_popescu right. but follow through = exactly what you'd expect, if redmond ran things. [07:09]
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undata portage does a pretty good job of that [07:10]
undata as long as the maintainer bothered, and the package is configurable [07:10]
mircea_popescu this is actually true huh [07:10]
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undata use flags are a bit of a blunt instrument, but they work [07:10]
mircea_popescu yeah, you have a point. [07:11]
asciilifeform back to syn packets, signed breath-of-life neatly licks ddos. [07:12]
asciilifeform all comms answered in priority of wot rank. [07:12]
mircea_popescu only if every router out there actually implements this scheduling [07:13]
mircea_popescu it WOULD give the old re-routability properties of the web a lot of value again. [07:13]
mircea_popescu ie, "are or are you not reachable through some node somewhere that doesn't think you're a total waste of biological matter." [07:13]
mircea_popescu the exact opposite of "anonimity", of course. [07:14]
asciilifeform a 4096-bit rsa signature and key fp fit handily in a udp minimal packet. [07:14]
asciilifeform i'm going to confess now that i implemented this... [07:15]
asciilifeform and am sitting on it [07:15]
asciilifeform because not ready for battlefield yet, and other work [07:15]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate) [07:16]
undata asciilifeform: where's your kyristor post? I want to re-read it. [07:16]
mircea_popescu the gushing hordes on reddit were so very impressed with how the idiots in question "fixed" the problem (through leveraging a 50%+1 attack against the blockchain, thourgh meanwhile discredited bircoin mining pools) [07:16]
asciilifeform undata: if you believe, http://kyristor.com [07:16]
assbot kyristor ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFs7WC ) [07:16]
mircea_popescu that they went all "o you dudes are like power rangers"!!! [07:16]
asciilifeform wasn't talking about that, though. [07:16]
mircea_popescu the name stuck. [07:16]
kakobrekla i liked asciis story better! [07:17]
asciilifeform 'kyristor' was a set of pencilled notes in an old 3ring. [07:17]
undata asciilifeform: you're about a mile over my head, but the n-axis WoT idea has had my brain churning since hearing about it [07:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, march 2013 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1621729#msg1621729 [07:17]
assbot In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsnF2 ) [07:17]
mircea_popescu "I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far: [07:17]
mircea_popescu 1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem. [07:17]
mircea_popescu 2. Stepped in a majority of the holes, landmines and caltrops available. [07:17]
mircea_popescu 1 is of particular concern, especially because it is so easily disprovable." [07:17]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bitcoinstats.htm#l6290716 << original quote. [07:18]
assbot Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsvEv ) [07:18]
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decimation asciilifeform: I'm not sure you really need tcp at all if you have a crypto-wot [07:19]
undata asciilifeform: the crude idea I had previously was just trying to jam a WoT into the blockchain [07:19]
mircea_popescu undata i recall this. [07:19]
decimation why bother with the illusion of a private point-to-point connection if you can deploy a nice global namespace [07:19]
asciilifeform decimation: in point of fact, you can get by without either tcp or the proverbial 'bad reimplementation' of it [07:19]
decimation I think mr. yarvin pointed to some internet elder figure who was hawking this idea (also urbit) [07:20]
asciilifeform decimation: one can use error-coding to get around lost and re-ordered packets. [07:20]
decimation exactly [07:20]
decimation tcp really is pretty retarded if you think about [07:20]
asciilifeform this also neatly dovetails into 'apocalyptic shortwave radio' net. [07:20]
decimation it violates the principle of "the highest protocol layer ought to control" (end-to-end argument) [07:20]
mircea_popescu decimation it's not retarded if you think of how fucking cheap it is. [07:20]
decimation exactly [07:20]
mircea_popescu think about that. think about the early days of bbs, which is how routing fucking got invented in the first placer [07:21]
mircea_popescu "deliver all the mail locally, cheaper calls" [07:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the excess packets - cheap. the ddosyness - no. [07:21]
decimation well, in elder days when the internet wasn't full of orcs it kinda seemed ok [07:21]
decimation now the costs are different [07:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was five cents a minute yo! at the time a minute meant one page, or a gallon of gasoline. [07:21]
asciilifeform everything in future will work - or not - depending on how readily it cuts through swaths of orcs. [07:22]
mircea_popescu if the average per-kb page of internet communication were one gallon of gasoline, i wouldn't have to explain to idiots why i don't want to see "webcasts" and why im in irc. [07:22]
decimation the point is, IP provides an elegant many-to-many mapping of network nodes [07:22]
decimation tcp pretends that doesn't exist [07:22]
mircea_popescu for the reason. [07:22]
mircea_popescu that most calls cost money, but plenty didn't, so optimized. [07:22]
decimation really, what the existing internet fails at is a decent multicast model [07:23]
mircea_popescu Vexual: remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties << not in romania, not really. she gets free $5 drinks. which... you know. [07:23]
decimation this too could be implemented with crypto-wot routers [07:23]
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decimation !up Vexual [07:24]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question << i guess time will tell no ? [07:24]
Vexual lol she might as well be cazallas au pair [07:24]
mircea_popescu decimation you sound like an adult man falling in love with a dirty young hussy. [07:24]
decimation heh [07:24]
asciilifeform wotnet. [07:24]
asciilifeform 'you read it here phirst (tm)' [07:24]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain [07:25]
decimation well, multicast might be a shortcoming in ip [07:25]
kakobrekla bad in da day. [07:25]
kakobrekla bak* [07:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well we don't know yet and apparently won't know for a while, rigt ? [07:25]
mircea_popescu i personally blame ben_vulpes [07:25]
mircea_popescu we (tm) don't think so, but we (tm) would very much like this cultish belief verified independently and scientifically. [07:26]
kakobrekla and if it did, what is one going to do about it. (my take is: nothing, continue to suck cock) [07:26]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla sell out bitcoin, start new implementation. [07:26]
mircea_popescu the revolution can not be stopped. [07:26]
kakobrekla we do it anyway, lets not pretend on top. [07:26]
asciilifeform can at least upgrade to sucking with disgust, rather than unwittingly, or worse, eagerly [07:26]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i do not see it. [07:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i would just sell all my bitcoins, start a new chain. [07:27]
kakobrekla new new chain on great great x86 [07:27]
asciilifeform that's what i meant by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931886 [07:27]
kakobrekla lalala [07:27]
assbot Logged on 23-11-2014 04:53:31; asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to. [07:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's one thing to live in mud, it's another thing to live in excrement. [07:27]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGMj10wOzg& whoa steady on, you can improve disco without ruin [07:28]
decimation and it's another to do so without any imagining the possibility of an alternative [07:28]
asciilifeform there is always an escape, even if you have to chew own leg off. [07:33]
asciilifeform but preferably - with all four legs. [07:33]
asciilifeform attached, that is. [07:33]
Vexual http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/dwarf-crocodiles-learning-to-fight-back-to-cane-toad/5896738 [07:41]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptGx8QrqrY [07:53]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775 [08:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:22]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C01jEE ) [08:22]
asciilifeform (for those who missed the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2014#930274 ) [08:22]
assbot Logged on 21-11-2014 01:38:58; mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph. [08:22]
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cascadian_derper ty mp [09:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform haha nice! [09:35]
cascadian_derper re my culpability all i did was ask "why not 053" [09:35]
mircea_popescu lol. [09:36]
cascadian_derper ascii picked that rev for patching not i [09:36]
mircea_popescu generally, is all what's needed. [09:36]
cascadian_derper anyways, a question for the chan: "what disqualifies 053 and what criteria should be used to pick an 'angry' bitcoin?" [09:38]
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mircea_popescu nothing in particular. [09:39]
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mircea_popescu https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/wiki/DosVectors << incidentally, what do we think of http/2 ? [09:59]
assbot DosVectors · http2/http2-spec Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/11JuDyq ) [09:59]
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punkman https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8647723 [10:38]
assbot WHY MILLIONAIRE BUY Gonkai Phone? [10:38]
mircea_popescu vexual's on ycombinator ? [10:39]
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-assbot- You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes. [10:40]
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Vexual schoolar ships is the hard way now? [10:41]
Vexual give me a fucking break [10:42]
Vexual back when i was a kid, if you wanted a virtual office you had to convince someone to do it [10:45]
Vexual 90 bux a months? [10:47]
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adlai wut, wut did i do [17:52]
mircea_popescu lol [17:52]
mircea_popescu you were suspicious! [17:52]
adlai can't a man lurk these days [17:52]
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nubbins` dat disconnect on sleep [18:06]
nubbins` 211398 and counting [18:09]
mircea_popescu wb [18:09]
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Azelphur mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P [18:33]
mircea_popescu ugh. what's he spam ? [18:34]
Azelphur (11:24:09) moriarty: there's also ##econometrics given your interest in cryptocurrencies [18:34]
Azelphur he has a bot that does ^, I've already banned him in the past from #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-otc-eu, -uk, ... [18:34]
mircea_popescu oh yeah. not the first time either huh. [18:34]
Azelphur yea, not the first time :) [18:35]
chanserv OP [18:35]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [18:35]
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Azelphur thanks :) [18:35]
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mircea_popescu no, thank you for pasting the actual command, it'd have taken me a while to piece it together lol [18:35]
Azelphur yw [18:35]
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mats_cd03 http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/prisonfood.pdf re: "Spread" [20:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCuJ8l ) [20:04]
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[]bot Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 78.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 7,419. [20:21]
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ben_vulpes http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << winkdex now an accepted price signal on bitbet [20:26]
assbot BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`455 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgHrLJ ) [20:26]
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kakobrekla interestingly > Bitcoin Winkdex price first digit will be a 1 or a 2 on May 1st 2015 < got rejected cause of windex [20:29]
ben_vulpes mm interesting [20:30]
ben_vulpes any chance of getting "rejected" in search status enumerator? [20:31]
kakobrekla hm [20:31]
ben_vulpes "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance." [20:32]
ben_vulpes wat [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00043051 = 3.3149 BTC [-] [20:33]
kakobrekla random choice? [20:34]
kakobrekla idk [20:34]
kakobrekla aha someone tried to ddos ba wiki past night. tough luck. [20:36]
ben_vulpes nobody noticed lol [20:38]
kakobrekla yup [20:38]
assbot CrAssphage: Previously Unknown Ancient Gut Virus Lives in Half World's Population | Biology | Sci-News.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJqzx ) [20:40]
mircea_popescu http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_0f136781-b5ed-5e65-8b88-f22c0893d8cb.html?mode=jqm [20:44]
assbot Kalispell man jailed following casino robbery with fake gun - News - Mobile Adv ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJPlB ) [20:44]
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ben_vulpes jurov: i can't imagine we've sequenced all virii inhabiting humans or even done a decent job at even the internal or external bacteriospheres [20:45]
ben_vulpes i suspect certain diets encourage certain bugs that diddle the endocrine system horribly [20:48]
ben_vulpes but this is systems science in [20:49]
ben_vulpes why is it a better idea for bitcoin to write the blockchain to disk instead of into an external database? [20:51]
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assbot btcdb: The bitcoin database package from btcd | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgLM1l ) [20:58]
punkman sqlite sounds good [20:59]
assbot The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgM9sL ) [21:01]
ben_vulpes "since it is file based, it requires no separate database setup for users" << i don't know about this. [21:01]
ben_vulpes bitcoin is serious business - perhaps a serious business database should be involved. [21:02]
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kakobrekla anything that fits in head? [21:02]
ben_vulpes what parts need to fit in head? [21:04]
punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1eyfk0/til_sqlite_was_created_to_be_used_on_guided/ [21:04]
assbot TIL SQLite was created to be used on guided missile destroyers : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgMxaA ) [21:04]
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ben_vulpes heh [21:08]
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ben_vulpes the thought that writing to disk requires explicit concurrency semantics (DB_CONFIG requiring lock numbers configured by trial-and-error) in c++ with bdb etc (would this be true of sqlite as well?) makes me think that talking to a professionally written database over a local socket wouldn't be such a bad idea. [21:11]
ben_vulpes but y'all know more than i on the topic. [21:11]
ben_vulpes also key value stores make me barf [21:11]
ben_vulpes (but that's neither here nor there) [21:12]
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punkman well if sqlite works for conformal, can use as cheatsheet [21:12]
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ben_vulpes jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it. [21:14]
punkman http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ [21:15]
assbot Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgO00M ) [21:15]
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ben_vulpes is that really all of them? [21:15]
punkman I think there's more on sourceforge mailing lists [21:16]
gribble No matches found. [21:16]
ben_vulpes http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/419/ << sigh [21:18]
assbot Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOkfP ) [21:18]
ben_vulpes http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/ << really? this is it? [21:18]
assbot Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOlQU ) [21:18]
punkman no there's more emails [21:19]
ben_vulpes yeah i figured [21:19]
punkman http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/?source=navbar [21:19]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOqV0 ) [21:19]
punkman http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/search/?q=database [21:19]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists / Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOu70 ) [21:19]
ben_vulpes i think the question that i'm asking is: is an embedded db even a good idea? [21:20]
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punkman http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32828113/ [21:22]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOLqJ ) [21:22]
kakobrekla mechanical db best db [21:22]
ben_vulpes *clack clunk* [21:23]
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kakobrekla something like huge drum music box? [21:26]
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kakobrekla for each block? [21:27]
punkman rope and beads? [21:27]
kakobrekla actually punch cards arent a bad idea after all [21:29]
kakobrekla and dont forget to enumerate them. [21:31]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-power-of-the-press-in-english-this-time/ [21:56]
assbot The power of the press, in English this time. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/159m6ak ) [21:56]
mircea_popescu monster article, ties together a bunch of old stuff [21:56]
mircea_popescu and as the expression goes, he who illuminates illuminates himself, so, lots of perhaps unknown material about yours truly as well. [21:56]
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asciilifeform so it appears that i've merited own, personal ddos. [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00041465 = 29.3572 BTC [-] {3} [22:06]
asciilifeform anybody else? [22:07]
asciilifeform or did the gods smile on me alone. [22:07]
mircea_popescu i was thinking it's funny how you keep popping in and out [22:11]
asciilifeform ahahaha lol [22:11]
mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/TSdayF99 << for the record. [22:12]
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mircea_popescu your cloak is useless if you use it like that [22:12]
asciilifeform lol it borked. [22:12]
asciilifeform seems like someone on freenode end yanked it. [22:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you have incoming turdogram. [22:14]
mircea_popescu nah, this is a well known defect of badly made login scripts [22:15]
mircea_popescu google it, solutions abound [22:15]
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punkman qntra too hard to ddos now, moving on to easier targets? [22:18]
asciilifeform industrial-grade idiocy [22:19]
asciilifeform why ddos some guy. [22:19]
asciilifeform so that what, i can't send the launch codes? [22:19]
mircea_popescu lol [22:20]
mircea_popescu YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS! [22:20]
mircea_popescu kid wants to matter. kid doesn't have to change for this, kid wants to matter AS HE IS! [22:20]
asciilifeform i can picture the conversation right now: [22:20]
asciilifeform 'toadie: what shall we do with this bugger, your reptilian majesty?' [22:20]
asciilifeform lizard hitler: 'hmm' [22:21]
asciilifeform toadie: 'how about a nailgun?' [22:21]
asciilifeform lizard hitler: 'nah, not worth a nail. how about ddos his house.' [22:21]
mircea_popescu on the positive side, the log's back to manageable size. [22:23]
asciilifeform l0l! [22:23]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << our tolerance knows no bounds [22:24]
assbot BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`397 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ut23bt ) [22:24]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance." << how do you find a "reasonable substitution" for a bet that goes "x website will publish a number ending in 5" [22:25]
mircea_popescu jurov: quite a food ofr thought <<< it pains me to say, but it'd seem more food for shit than for thought. [22:25]
asciilifeform ;;google fecal transplant [22:26]
gribble Quick, inexpensive and a 90 percent cure rate - For Medical ...: ; Fecal bacteriotherapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is FMT? | The Fecal Transplant Foundation: (1 more message) [22:26]
asciilifeform ^ actual research field [22:26]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it. <<< not very far afaik. Pierre_Rochard << why not btw ? put krawsiz to some useful work! [22:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform guess what ? [22:28]
mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com fecal transplant [22:28]
gribble No matches found. [22:28]
mircea_popescu pssss [22:28]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-ma-ocup-de-futurologie-in-ce-priveste-trendurile-cu-rezultate-inspaimintatoare-in-primul-rind-pentru-mine/ there. [22:29]
assbot In care ma ocup de futurologie in ce priveste trendurile cu rezultate inspaimintatoare in primul rind pentru mine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD7e0B ) [22:29]
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cazalla lol coinfire.cf [22:29]
* asciilifeform going off into meatspace for a spell. [22:30]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: alas bitstein and krawisz are (hopefully temporarily) taken up with other ventures. Personally I think the SNI website is unfinished in its current state, but there’s only so much arm twisting I can do with friends [22:31]
mircea_popescu i can see it. [22:31]
mircea_popescu jus' trying to help, from my position as chief asshole this is easy. [22:31]
Pierre_Rochard the words of encouragement are certainly appreciated [22:34]
danielpbarron ;;rate thomas_d 1 plays on seals as thomas_dick [22:35]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [22:35]
mats_cd03 http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/regin-top-tier-espionage-tool-enables-stealthy-surveillance via HN [22:37]
assbot Regin: Top-tier espionage tool enables stealthy surveillance | Symantec Connect ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD95CL ) [22:37]
mats_cd03 http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/regin-analysis.pdf accompanying paper [22:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD9uFp ) [22:39]
mats_cd03 wish they'd share some binaries, or smth [22:39]
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wyrdmantis http://www.smartcontract.com/ << WTF? [22:43]
assbot SmartContract ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADaGbG ) [22:43]
mircea_popescu wyrdmantis context ? [22:44]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 myea. useless halfway reporting. [22:44]
mircea_popescu "The infection vector varies among targets and no reproducible vector had been found at the time of writing. Symantec believes that some targets may be tricked into visiting spoofed versions of well-known websites and the threat may be installed through a Web browser or by exploiting an application. On one computer, log files showed that Regin originated from Yahoo! Instant Messenger through an unconfirmed exploit." [22:46]
mircea_popescu so what, someone supposedly used yahoo messenger on linux ? via what,s omething like an emulator ? and then the infector survived this mauling ? [22:46]
mircea_popescu seems nonsensical. [22:46]
wyrdmantis "Verified Pay for Performance Get paid, automatically; Smart Contracts verify you've performed by verifying proven results eg: SEO rank, automatically releasing the client's payment right away." [22:47]
wyrdmantis just found this thing... no idea if it's real or how it works...any thoughts? [22:48]
mircea_popescu old story. it doesn't work, no. [22:51]
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undata asciilifeform: Does A0 believe that "438967283478" is "539568763873582425356468"? << example of A0 lying? [22:56]
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mircea_popescu !up theotcguy [23:00]
-assbot- You voiced theotcguy for 30 minutes. [23:00]
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jurov yea, i had yahoo messenger. found interesting stuff under .wine then [23:01]
mircea_popescu jurov but the shit actually works in wine ? [23:03]
mircea_popescu w/e trojans and so on ? [23:03]
ben_vulpes "the" otc guy? [23:05]
ben_vulpes isn't that n-tube? [23:05]
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jurov it worked very badly, then i found some wine processes running with malware-y names, killed with fire [23:06]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfNIC5k-yxw << romanian news programme, communist era. [23:08]
assbot Telejurnal - Epoca de Aur: Ceausescu si tovarasii - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADh4zz ) [23:08]
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cazalla so coindesk linked qntra lol [23:17]
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cazalla but only the google cache as not to give full credit [23:17]
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cazalla http://www.coindesk.com/stakes-high-star-backed-bitcoin-gambling-site-crowdsale-stumbles/ under Messaging issues heading [23:18]
ben_vulpes seriously? [23:18]
assbot Stakes Are High for Star-Backed Bitcoin Gambling Site As Crowdsale Stumbles ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADjPRF ) [23:18]
cazalla to be fair, perhaps site was down from ddos at the time it was written but still, amusing [23:19]
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xanthyos BingoBoingo: Successfully changed key for user xanthyos from B62E7295387001E9 to DF074A8E1242692B. You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key DF074A8E1242692B [23:22]
xanthyos NO LONGER A KEYbase boy, are you proud of me? [23:22]
BingoBoingo I am indeed [23:22]
xanthyos dpb is here [23:22]
ben_vulpes hey look a real key [23:22]
xanthyos i needed my hand held [23:22]
xanthyos heh [23:22]
ben_vulpes don't you feel all growed up nao? [23:22]
xanthyos yes [23:22]
ben_vulpes in other news the girl found an entire gallon of organic maple syrup [23:23]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/conviction/ [23:46]
assbot Conviction ... ( http://bit.ly/1xotW6q ) [23:46]
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mircea_popescu splendid [23:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00041 = 10.086 BTC [-] [23:52]
jurov http://serverfault.com/questions/646509/sshd-with-port-forwarding-left-connections-to-localhost-without-counterparty-pro#646509 [23:52]
assbot linux - sshd with port forwarding left connections to localhost without counterparty process - Server Fault ... ( http://bit.ly/159RTbd ) [23:52]
jurov ^ "splendid" too [23:52]
jurov my every productive day ends with such wtf stuff or a bugreport [23:52]
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