Forum logs for 22 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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kakobrekla hm [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00088027 = 2.0546 BTC [-] [00:15]
kakobrekla got a word from inside of bitstamp, mysql server with no replication and once per day local mysql dump [00:15]
Duffer1 no replication? [00:16]
fiat500 such redundancy, much integrity, many backup, so wow [00:16]
benkay nice [00:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00088352 = 3.8433 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.2929 = 6.4438 BTC [+] [00:21]
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benkay ;;ud narpalt [00:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+] [00:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+] [00:57]
jurov once per day? [00:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.79378050 BTC to 9`575 shares, 18734 satoshi per share [00:59]
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mikaeldice This will end well [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00087974 = 12.8882 BTC [-] {2} [01:10]
mircea_popescu When asked about their shared Catholic faith, Eszterhas said of Gibson, "In my mind, his Catholicism is a figment of his imagination." [01:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+] [01:26]
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benkay ;;google the many ways mpex [01:30]
gribble Hometown Heroes: Kelsey McClellan | MPEX Experience: ; Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: ; Prosoniq MPEX Home Page: [01:30]
benkay man google hates trilema [01:30]
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benkay $depth S.NSA [01:33]
mpexbot benkay: S.NSA Bids: ['46213 @ 0.00012', '50000 @ 0.000107', '54387 @ 0.000105', '20000 @ 0.0001', '1000 @ 0.0001'] [01:33]
mpexbot benkay: Asks: ['7500 @ 0.00014', '10000 @ 0.00015', '9220 @ 0.00016', '35000 @ 0.00017', '50000 @ 0.00021'] [01:33]
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mircea_popescu google got 10mn from nsa. [01:34]
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benkay ;;duckduckgo foo [01:41]
gribble Error: "duckduckgo" is not a valid command. [01:41]
benkay nanotube's an nsa stooge. [01:41]
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asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 [01:41]
ozbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. [01:41]
jurov http://imgur.com/a/L8gJF [01:42]
ozbot A few gifs I have collected for your perusing. - Imgur [01:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00088038 = 14.4823 BTC [+] {2} [01:44]
ThickAsThieves http://chromawallet.com/ [01:49]
ozbot ChromaWallet [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10043 @ 0.00088081 = 8.846 BTC [+] [01:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00088376 = 22.094 BTC [+] {2} [01:57]
DiabloD3 http://imgur.com/gallery/fAHIYIS [02:02]
KRS|Gotyawallet you guys are holding the wrong coin http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1tcro2/math_proves_everyone_on_earth_will_be_subscribed/ [02:04]
benkay such outer reaches of cosmos [02:05]
benkay real destination infinite [02:05]
KRS|Gotyawallet many things! [02:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11827 @ 0.0008805 = 10.4137 BTC [-] {2} [02:23]
benkay $proxies [02:26]
mpexbot benkay: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"] [02:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+] [02:26]
jurov drat, doesnt work [02:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29668 @ 0.00087671 = 26.0102 BTC [-] {4} [02:33]
benkay seems like none are up [02:35]
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jurov mpex.co is [02:38]
benkay oh you [02:39]
benkay http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1354338910_oh-you-93067263235.jpeg [02:41]
jurov mpex.coinbr.com fixed [02:44]
jurov mpex6.coinbr.com is ipv6 only [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20670 @ 0.00087615 = 18.11 BTC [-] {2} [02:45]
jurov looks like i went too creative with the spot instance [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11513 @ 0.00087589 = 10.0841 BTC [-] {2} [02:46]
jurov lol nsa is definitely gobbling up all resources, now $0.02/hr for t1. micro in virginia? [02:50]
jurov (as opposed to 0.004 in oregon) [02:50]
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jurov btw, now s3 supports post requests, it would be worthwhile to build mpex proxy using s3 only [02:53]
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jurov anyone? [02:53]
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mircea_popescu mebbe [02:59]
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benkay s3 as trade interface [03:06]
benkay trade interface all the things [03:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+] [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00283389 = 0.1615 BTC [+] [03:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087529 = 20.4818 BTC [-] {3} [03:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00087818 = 34.4247 BTC [+] [03:24]
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benkay !t m s.mpoe [03:26]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087445 / 0.00088417 / 0.00091105 (939510 shares, 830.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00087445 / 0.00089949 / 0.00091394 (5991164 shares, 5,389.04 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00087086 / 0.00091394 (13560569 shares, 11,809.38 BTC) [03:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00087818 = 15.1486 BTC [+] [03:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48888 @ 0.00087445 = 42.7501 BTC [-] [03:35]
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benkay ;;calci [04:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00087356 = 22.1011 BTC [-] {3} [04:29]
benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg [04:31]
gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 593.43, Best ask: 596.84, Bid-ask spread: 3.41000, Last trade: 594.23, 24 hour volume: 61377.55, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 613.28 [04:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36449 @ 0.00087268 = 31.8083 BTC [-] {4} [04:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2651 @ 0.00087125 = 2.3097 BTC [-] [04:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22584 @ 0.00087125 = 19.6763 BTC [-] [04:39]
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benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg [04:49]
gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 590.98, Best ask: 594.3, Bid-ask spread: 3.32000, Last trade: 593.02, 24 hour volume: 61055.72, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 612.54 [04:49]
benkay davout: what are the delivery venues for X.EUR? [04:50]
benkay ah, bitcoin-central. nevermind. [04:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [04:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2360 @ 0.00281965 = 6.6544 BTC [-] {15} [05:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4125 @ 0.00012 = 0.495 BTC [+] [05:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28601101 BTC [-] [05:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29484 BTC [+] [05:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29486 BTC [+] [05:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.29610147 = 7.9947 BTC [+] {4} [06:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+] [06:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.297 = 0.594 BTC [+] [06:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141200 @ 0.00087239 = 123.1815 BTC [+] {2} [06:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4409 @ 0.00087125 = 3.8413 BTC [-] [06:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087103 = 24.9115 BTC [-] [06:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14617 @ 0.0008706 = 12.7256 BTC [-] [06:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00087223 = 1.8596 BTC [+] [06:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet a btc exchange opened in Romania today? cant find anything on it [06:48]
mircea_popescu not today, days ago. [06:52]
mircea_popescu tis in teh logs. [06:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012 = 0.96 BTC [+] [06:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+] [06:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41729 @ 0.00086864 = 36.2475 BTC [-] {2} [06:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28702201 BTC [-] [07:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 515 @ 0.001 = 0.515 BTC [07:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21067 @ 0.00087242 = 18.3793 BTC [+] {2} [07:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13683 @ 0.00087376 = 11.9557 BTC [+] [07:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086862 = 15.8523 BTC [-] [07:14]
toffoo KRS|Gotyawallet this https://www.btcxchange.ro [07:16]
KRS|Gotyawallet hmm [07:42]
KRS|Gotyawallet india too it seems [07:43]
KRS|Gotyawallet Cont nou [07:43]
KRS|Gotyawallet btcxchange is a nice site [07:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086864 = 6.9491 BTC [+] [08:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084476 = 7.9407 BTC [-] [18:32]
asciilifeform for anybody who still gives a damn re: the urbit wars: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 [18:36]
mircea_popescu wait wars ? [18:40]
mircea_popescu wow look at that, you got embroiled in korea. [18:41]
asciilifeform 'smell of kimchi in the morning.' [18:42]
asciilifeform wish i knew why they bother to write. [18:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_Vuv0n8VcsPWXOdBh6pQdbeXDO_6f8dK4x1U5WzLa02Tz7emYVE5_qZ1QscZYaNGmO1yhxV0ClWxxt0hx8rDKtAvSx4kIwjPDlmSnibrXBWfBRD58uljB-A7pE5NqXDuwybyE7dHtLYilGZCex9Ru-b1Bgos_O3WtNfvdiHwvV9h6jskfun4 [18:47]
mircea_popescu what the fuck does that say ? [18:47]
mircea_popescu can you even read it ? [18:47]
asciilifeform nope. [18:48]
mircea_popescu o wow i got one [18:48]
mircea_popescu aite, so now you have a comment. [18:48]
* mircea_popescu puts his club with a nail away for the time being. [18:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these captchas have really fallen through the floor, and i will crib your method when i have a moment of time... [18:49]
mircea_popescu i will continue to bitch in the meanwhile :) [18:49]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/ajUaSs6.jpg who's this guy ? [18:50]
asciilifeform critter from 'game of thrones' [18:50]
asciilifeform legitimate-ish but unsuccessful claimant to the throne. [18:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00084476 = 18.8381 BTC [-] [18:51]
mircea_popescu a a [18:51]
asciilifeform turns 'to the dark side', used evil magic, etc [18:51]
mircea_popescu yaya. i know the script. [18:52]
mircea_popescu i spent a decade of my youth in roughly equal halves between producing porn and handling hollywood ip. you'd be surprised how often it is the case that "no scripts are new". [18:53]
mircea_popescu or maybe you wouldn't. "mit still running fortran". big whoop. [18:53]
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asciilifeform better fortran than 'new for the sake of new.' [18:54]
mircea_popescu in the case of fortran, yes. in the case of "entertainment" ?! [18:55]
mircea_popescu it's supposed to be a diversion! the fucking trade is called variety! [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24946 @ 0.00084894 = 21.1777 BTC [+] {2} [18:55]
asciilifeform the consumer demands recycled food, gets recycled food. [18:55]
mircea_popescu consumer demands my foot. [18:55]
mircea_popescu no consumer has ever demanded anything in the history of business to date. [18:55]
mircea_popescu i swear to the foregoing statement. [18:56]
asciilifeform point. herr naggum's 3-ring-notebooks. [18:56]
asciilifeform 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor [18:56]
asciilifeform mation they receive? so, did people really _want_ three-ring binders, or is that just what they could buy?' [18:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, i originally though the guy was a programmer, which seemed interesting. [18:57]
mircea_popescu this is all eerily related to the article im in the process of writing, [18:57]
mircea_popescu chiefly through stealing old irc discussion. guess now ima have to steal more. [18:57]
mircea_popescu ". Decrement isn’t a basic operation and requires linear rather than constant time" << this is perhaps the best part. [18:58]
asciilifeform this is actually true! [18:58]
mircea_popescu not because there aren't eggregiously bad examples peppered everywhere, but because it is the one phrase that came back underlined in all the review copies i sent out [18:59]
mircea_popescu apparently "we switched true and false around notwithstanding this breaks the logic / arithmetic superimposition" isn't quite as big [18:59]
asciilifeform nock resolves to SKI combinator calculus. [18:59]
asciilifeform where you end up using something equivalent to Church numerals [18:59]
asciilifeform hence O(n) subtraction. [19:00]
asciilifeform at least, i personally solved the puzzle by reducing it to SKI [19:00]
mircea_popescu and since we're on that logic topic : don't you find it that if indeed you go for 1 false then it would make sense to get rid of the ancient&antiquated binary logic model ? [19:00]
asciilifeform i actually suggested this to curtis [19:00]
mircea_popescu just have a true and an (arbitrary?) number of falsehoods. [19:00]
asciilifeform back in '10 [19:00]
mircea_popescu seems a reasonable suggestion, if you're going to the trouble of building a boeing [19:00]
mircea_popescu might as well fill the seats so to speak [19:00]
asciilifeform (what i actually suggested was to use 'balanced-ternary', like the russian 'Setun' machine) [19:01]
pankkake True, False, Maybe? [19:02]
asciilifeform nope [19:02]
mircea_popescu i thought that was retarded [19:02]
asciilifeform nope. balanced ternary not only packs denser (ideal base is 'e' from that standpoint) but gives considerably simpler circuits. [19:02]
asciilifeform one dispenses with 'n-complement', adders are simpler, and many other things. [19:02]
mircea_popescu isn't it the case that the situation summarizes as "the russki folks came up with the idea of trying out alternative logix, made the setun, proved thereby the thing is a waste of time" ? [19:02]
asciilifeform more complicated than that [19:03]
mircea_popescu but if you didn't have the luxury to make it more complicated than that ? [19:03]
asciilifeform the fellow who built Setun was working with ferrite-based (transformer-esque) logic elements [19:03]
asciilifeform which naturally mapped to balanced ternary [19:03]
mircea_popescu aha [19:03]
asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary [19:05]
ozbot Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:05]
mircea_popescu i can't use wikipedia for this purpose [19:05]
asciilifeform there's worked arithmetic examples in there [19:05]
asciilifeform hence the link [19:05]
mircea_popescu a [19:05]
mircea_popescu well to confess, my interest is to cheaply extract gems i can later use in my administrative career, rather than to geek out on math. [19:06]
asciilifeform take-home lesson is: you get a machine with fewer moving parts - and fewer weird hacks required to make arithmetic go. [19:07]
mircea_popescu at a cost of ? [19:07]
asciilifeform that depends. [19:07]
mircea_popescu most egregious example being ? [19:07]
asciilifeform one could easily build 'setun' using modern Si chemistry, at negligible cost per se [19:07]
asciilifeform but then you want to use off-the-shelf parts... [19:08]
mircea_popescu i don't think apple for instance would have a problem with making a system that doesn't work with any computing hardware in the world. [19:08]
mircea_popescu i think they'd love it. [19:08]
asciilifeform i've some logic i wangled together long ago, that maps consumer DRAM into ternary [19:08]
asciilifeform using the slack bits for error correction coding. [19:08]
asciilifeform ternary also tastes great with Muller (asynchronous) gates. [19:09]
asciilifeform asynchronous circuit (people have actually built classical CPUs with these, 1/3 or so the power consumption of ordinary ones) [19:10]
asciilifeform you dispense with the 'clock' [19:10]
asciilifeform metastability problem is solved by every gate having a 'inputs are ready' signal as well as inputs [19:11]
asciilifeform so propagation delays are no longer a problem [19:11]
mircea_popescu so you are actually sitting there and telling me that ternary based machines a la setun actually have a computational future, technologically speaking [19:11]
asciilifeform in principle. [19:11]
mircea_popescu possibly the most outrageous thing i heard all week. [19:11]
asciilifeform C-gate is even more of an outrageous animal than ternary [19:12]
mircea_popescu question : since asics have to be special built anyway, could one build a ternary asic ? [19:12]
asciilifeform you end up with a CPU for which you cannot say 'X MHz' [19:12]
mircea_popescu use less W per h ? [19:12]
asciilifeform quite easily [19:12]
mircea_popescu perhaps we need to look into this. [19:12]
asciilifeform people built ARM on C-gates. why this is not done routinely, i can answer. [19:12]
asciilifeform modern chip designers use gnarly layout tools, priced in $seven figures, with run times measured in weeks, winblows, etc [19:13]
mircea_popescu o wait, we're in teh public chan lol. [19:13]
asciilifeform they're all geared to traditional (clocked) logic. [19:13]
asciilifeform none of this is a secret. [19:13]
asciilifeform the clockless ARM (pretty braindamaged idea, to take a classical cpu and make it clockless, but anyway) had to be designed ad hoc, avoiding industry-standard toolchains. [19:13]
asciilifeform afaik it was a purely academic demo, never went anywhere. [19:14]
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nubbins` ah, drinking is its own therapy [20:04]
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benkay wait u guise come back that was the most educational thing in -assets all week [20:25]
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mod6 this stuff was good: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 [20:30]
mod6 and lol @ "Hugs and kisses," & "Of what use is a bay?" [20:32]
mod6 *baby [20:32]
benkay i'll just shelve my desire for the No Such lAbs stream computation lisp machine for now. [20:33]
mod6 i need to steal this and use it elsewhere: Contemplate your pyramids elsewhere. [20:36]
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mod6 I'm excited for the Cardano. [20:48]
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Duffer1 i want one so i don't have to keep reinstalling gpg4win everytime i want to auth [20:49]
benkay might just get my -otc auth down to a minute from a cold start [20:49]
mod6 With the news about RSA/NSA/BSafe and that they put in a backdoored Dual ECC RNG as default in the rolling key fob, I hardly imagine the demand for a trustworthy and open-source producer of cryptographic devices. [20:49]
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mod6 No Such lAbs can fill a huge coming void here. [20:50]
mod6 s/coming// [20:50]
asciilifeform everyone knows the tale of 'Bob the Bridge-Builder?' [20:52]
mod6 (who was really suprised about the RSA/NSA news anyway?) I don't think there is a single software or hardware producer in the US that trust. Not that I perhaps ever did, but now its all out there!! [20:52]
asciilifeform villager Bob is visited by a chum of his. Bob points to a bridge, says 'built that there bridge, i did.' [20:52]
mod6 asciilifeform: you mean, you can build 1000 bridges and always be known as a 'bridge-builder' but if you suck 1 dick, you'll always be known as a cocksucker? [20:52]
asciilifeform points to another, 'fixed that one last monsoon time' [20:52]
asciilifeform 'but do they call me bob the bridge-builder?' [20:53]
asciilifeform 'you fuck one goat...' [20:53]
mod6 haha, bingo [20:53]
asciilifeform a while ago, somebody walked off with /all/ the private keys for those fobs [20:53]
asciilifeform but did rsa 'stop being bridge-builder' to the idiot 'business world' ? nope. [20:53]
benkay real world moves slowly. us ain't gonna collapse day after bitcoin arrives. [20:54]
mod6 yeah, same thing with a lot of these places. Verisign got hacked, lost all SSL private keys. Pff. [20:55]
asciilifeform there's a fellow who appears to have a good handle on this phenomenon. [20:56]
asciilifeform 'If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.' [20:56]
asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/03/welcome-to-fuffland.html [20:56]
ozbot ClubOrlov: Welcome to Fuffland [20:56]
asciilifeform the chumps, one inescapably concludes, demand to be pwned. [20:57]
mod6 Another example is America's favorite fufflemobile: the SUV.<< hahah [20:59]
mod6 A better term would be “qualitative fuffling:: the financial snake is finally eating its own tail. [21:01]
asciilifeform or witness 'Crypto AG' - swiss company; founded by best friend of the founder of... nsa. owned by: no one knows, probably usg. [21:01]
mod6 "How much do I owe you for this latte, dear graduate?" [21:01]
mod6 "Well, Sir, that will be six trillion fuffles, if you please." [21:01]
mod6 ^^^ [21:01]
asciilifeform #1 supplier of cipher machines to diplomats worldwide... [21:01]
mod6 yikes [21:02]
mod6 it's like this old Martha & The Vandellas song: "No where to run to baby! No where to hide..." [21:02]
asciilifeform AG, even in the mechanical rotor-machine days, was publicly, loudly proven to supply thoroughly-pwnable systems. [21:02]
asciilifeform the only conclusion is that its clients became such as: a gesture of submission. [21:03]
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mod6 "doggie submission" [21:03]
asciilifeform same as every country that bought MIGs. 'yes, ussr, sole source of spare parts, now owns our arse. enjoy it please' [21:04]
mod6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17yfqxoSTFM [21:05]
ozbot Martha Reeves & The Vandellas - Nowhere To Run (1965) HD - YouTube [21:05]
mod6 Thanks for the link. I always like to read about peoples accounts of what they went through during the fall of the USSR. Seems like a light-version of what the USSA is going to go through soon. [21:07]
mod6 Perhaps we'll all look back in 25 years and realize that it has already started, just that the switch hasn't been flipped to "rock & roll" yet. [21:08]
asciilifeform see also the author's canonical piece, 'Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century'. [21:09]
mod6 ahh, thx. [21:11]
asciilifeform http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml [21:11]
ozbot Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century [21:11]
asciilifeform http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml [21:11]
ozbot Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part II [21:11]
asciilifeform http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071805_soviet_lessons_part3.shtml [21:11]
ozbot Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part III [21:11]
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asciilifeform i think he put an expanded version of this in one of his dead-tree books, also. [21:12]
mod6 maybe i should pick up one of those. [21:13]
mod6 so many books, so little time! [21:13]
kakobrekla they should just stop writing for gods sake [21:13]
mod6 haha [21:14]
asciilifeform well, orlov did. [21:14]
asciilifeform he promised to, at any rate. [21:14]
asciilifeform he said something to the effect of 'my books just fuck people up for no ultimate gain.' [21:14]
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mod6 i would assert that he's wrong and that his writing does have meaning. although dark, what can be more important than the lessons of the past to future generations? [21:21]
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mircea_popescu so theres this 70s film about a kid living in repressed california fucking his neighbour's wife and then her daughter. [21:39]
mircea_popescu anyone recall the damned name or the (very young at the time) star ? [21:39]
mircea_popescu the graduate. ty internets. [21:40]
benkay mircea_popescu: have you seen "the counselor"? [21:41]
mircea_popescu 1sec, trying to finish this fucking monster. [21:41]
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mod6 ah, yeah The Graduate. [21:45]
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KRS|Gotyawallet lolita [22:01]
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z hey i got a question, if i suggest a new bet and i fund it and they reject it, do i get my BTC back? [22:06]
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zach_ if i suggest a new bet and i fund it, but it gets rejected do i get the BTC back? [22:10]
mircea_popescu yes. [22:10]
zach_ ok thank you [22:11]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonderful-powers-of-make-believe/ [22:31]
ozbot The wonderful powers of make-believe pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:31]
mircea_popescu curious if it makes any sense to anyone. [22:31]
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Duffer1 i love having my ignorance immortalized in your blog MP [22:34]
mircea_popescu it's what you get! [22:35]
Duffer1 lol [22:35]
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benkay you're not just cribbing from IRC but your own past posts as well [22:37]
benkay lazy romanians [22:37]
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mircea_popescu if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'. [22:43]
mircea_popescu to quote a famous romanian artist. [22:43]
mod6 haha [22:48]
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benkay i'm interested in the notion of cheating as a prerequisite for success, and how most americans don't get this. gotta be a part of the socialist thought repression... [22:49]
Duffer1 or the conservative accuracy oppression [22:49]
mircea_popescu most americans got this just fine back when america was going up. [22:52]
mircea_popescu they stopped getting it just as it started tumbling. [22:52]
mircea_popescu perhaps mere coincidence. [22:52]
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mircea_popescu (the quote i used is a us baseball thing) [22:53]
KRS|Gotyawallet just won 5.3 btc on just-dice just fucking around lmao [22:58]
mircea_popescu you'll lose 50 the same way. [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1263 @ 0.00084838 = 1.0715 BTC [-] [23:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet no shit..hate gambling. i was bored. never going back there again. [23:03]
mircea_popescu great. take it to bitbet [23:03]
mircea_popescu >D [23:03]
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KRS|Gotyawallet ya actually i've been wanting to get in on some of those [23:06]
KRS|Gotyawallet looks fun [23:07]
mircea_popescu i was being sarcastic sort-of! [23:07]
Duffer1 didn't you just say you hate gambling? :P [23:08]
mircea_popescu inb4 "bitbet is not gambling, it's more like poker" [23:10]
KRS|Gotyawallet yes thats why i like fucking over the casinos [23:17]
KRS|Gotyawallet last time i played blackjack i won $2400 using $100 in bets..i never went back...f'them [23:18]
Duffer1 grats man [23:21]
mircea_popescu lol cool story bro. [23:22]
KRS|Gotyawallet hah thanks..i have a friend who is a roofer and gambles non stop poor guy..blackjack. [23:23]
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Vexual bit bet is kinda like futures on easymode no? [23:33]
pankkake I like it [23:34]
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Vexual where are all these 70k houses? thats stamp duty in oz [23:38]
Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381045.0 [23:38]
ozbot bitcoin bear chart [23:38]
mod6 asciilifeform: Just finished part I. Strangely, I feel like I've read it before. Looking forward to parts II & III though. Really good stuff. [23:39]
mircea_popescu Vexual sort of i guess [23:43]
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