Forum logs for 20 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu pankkake http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/ << thanks for teh link [00:06]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/85/nasa-finds-et/ [00:29]
mircea_popescu check out the bottom feeders in teh comments lol [00:29]
ozbot BitBet - NASA finds ET [00:29]
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benkay !t m s.nsa [01:08]
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mike_c excellent pr skillz prevented a freefall :) [01:10]
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benkay the audience is tractable. [01:11]
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mircea_popescu olo [01:19]
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benkay yolo! [01:25]
Vexual mircea, i was interested to see you wrote on the film the family [01:31]
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Vexual did you see something beautiful on the banal underpainting? or are you joking about evryones hardon for deniros? [01:34]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-family/ [01:38]
ozbot The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:38]
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Vexual if you have the tools handy, try removing every frame with a face, it's a nice short film [01:57]
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Duffer1 http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306 [02:06]
ozbot Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana [02:06]
Duffer1 "The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper" [02:06]
Vexual hiss eyes are more glazed than his orb [02:07]
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Vexual he evvisions a bigger, shinier trackball with more velco [02:08]
Duffer1 ha [02:09]
Duffer1 needs more corduroy imo [02:09]
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Vexual another fun image processing exercise, no corduroy, no run [02:19]
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Vexual orb reports fatal cord error [02:21]
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deadweasel ha, the family, mildy entertaining. i'm pretty sure as US citizens, we are allowed blow up foreign groceries. [02:23]
deadweasel as long as we use drones. [02:23]
deadweasel mildly* se [02:23]
deadweasel fuck keyboards [02:23]
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thestringpuller amazing [02:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:32]
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mircea_popescu deadweasel mildewy ? [02:51]
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deadweasel the brain, yes [02:58]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmIG9ujYEyM [03:54]
ozbot Peter Chung Animated Creations (6) - YouTube [03:54]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8pwUMuS8S0 [03:55]
ozbot Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar (Ben E & Falki Remix) - YouTube [03:55]
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Vexual nubbins' how foes the rainbow vomit? [04:10]
Vexual your macig fountain bar installation [04:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet hey Vexual [04:15]
Vexual hello [04:15]
nubbins` ah. we didn't have enough time to make a rainbow vomit [04:16]
nubbins` had to settle for rainbow streamers ;( [04:16]
Vexual did it provide a model of a frame of reference where light only behaves as a wave and shit? [04:16]
nubbins` in fact, the room filled up with vibrations [04:17]
Vexual amazing [04:18]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:18]
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Vexual reading popescue is like nos, theres that numbing confusion that might be funny, but you don't know where you're sitting, a fruity dry nose of old wood and nosferatu, and a defined sense of nostradamus lingering on the palette. [04:49]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/qfFCe [04:52]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [04:52]
nubbins` that's the past 24 hours for me [04:52]
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Vexual nice, i really like it just as the first colour even [04:54]
nubbins` nod [04:55]
nubbins` thanks [04:55]
nubbins` super last minute job, almost didn't get it done on time [04:56]
nubbins` i was wrapping up the stack of prints like 25 minutes before the doors opened at the venue :0 [04:56]
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Vexual so theyre souveneirs mor e than advertising? [04:58]
nubbins` yeah, they're selling them at the show as merch [05:00]
nubbins` way too expensive to post outdoors ;D [05:00]
Vexual hot off the press baby, tres cool [05:00]
nubbins` thanks [05:01]
nubbins` went delirious earlier [05:02]
nubbins` up til 4am printing [05:02]
nubbins` then awake again this morning & nothing to eat but 2 cookies [05:02]
nubbins` until 6pm [05:02]
nubbins` ink fumes [05:02]
nubbins` &c [05:02]
gribble Error: "c" is not a valid command. [05:02]
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BingoBoingo ;;asks 1000 [05:04]
gribble There are currently 12892.122 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10964663.8696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0757 seconds [05:04]
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Vexual https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/413762734602194944/photo/1 [05:07]
ozbot Twitter / Omar_Gaza: #Gaza: Evacuating an elderly ... [05:07]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM [05:33]
ozbot Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube [05:33]
KRS|Gotyawallet hmmm [05:35]
KRS|Gotyawallet this deserves a play [05:35]
KRS|Gotyawallet Vexual: Highly recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0 [05:36]
KRS|Gotyawallet That bitch is hawt [05:36]
Vexual stones no longer safe on earth [05:37]
KRS|Gotyawallet Vexual this song is great [05:39]
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Vexual bueno [05:42]
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Vexual http://vimeo.com/30567004 [05:47]
ozbot Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo [05:47]
Vexual salut [05:48]
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KRS|Gotyawallet Vexual did you like that song Rosana [05:56]
KRS|Gotyawallet video is hilarious [05:56]
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nubbins` i can't stop staring at that poster [05:57]
nubbins` so proud ;( [05:57]
Vexual do you do art prints for galleries nubules? [05:59]
nubbins` we've had prints that we've done in galleries [05:59]
nubbins` not our own works though [05:59]
Vexual yes i did like that video krs [05:59]
nubbins` like that poster i linked isn't our design [06:00]
nubbins` we just printed it [06:00]
Vexual so u ink stuff for artists to sell for 100s? [06:00]
Vexual u should hop a train to nyc [06:01]
nubbins` heh [06:02]
nubbins` nah, too busy [06:02]
nubbins` but yes, that's a thing we do [06:02]
nubbins` hundreds is a bit less common [06:02]
nubbins` great way for people to make money tho. sell posters for like 20-30+ each [06:03]
Vexual yeah, looks like decent parchment u got there [06:03]
nubbins` costs maybe 6-10 to print them [06:03]
nubbins` nice cotton rag paper [06:03]
Vexual u make decent nmoney to stay up all night [06:04]
nubbins` acid free [06:04]
nubbins` it's not about what you make, it's about what you spend :D [06:04]
Vexual nod [06:04]
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Vexual http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Oz-31-p1and2.jpg [06:09]
Vexual this is from an old sydney zine [06:09]
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nubbins` siiiick [06:10]
nubbins` that thing on the left [06:10]
nubbins` :o [06:10]
Vexual that issue is floating around pdf style [06:11]
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nubbins` we do a fully silkscreened zine once a year [06:12]
nubbins` too costly to hand print the insides generally [06:12]
nubbins` but it's nice to just hemorrhage money once in a while and produce something that challenges you [06:13]
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Vexual http://thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ [06:35]
ozbot Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers [06:35]
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mircea_popescu .d [06:58]
ozbot 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 198 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2912% in 0d 22h 36m 44s [06:58]
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mircea_popescu 30% o.o [06:58]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea who "owen gunden" is and even less of an idea why he thinks he's in a position to play the expert in this space. [06:59]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet ^ [07:00]
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KRS|Gotyawallet ya [07:00]
KRS|Gotyawallet right [07:00]
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KRS|Gotyawallet figured you'd find that interesting so i shared [07:01]
Vexual gay hat [07:01]
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Vexual came on the front of a magazine just like red hat [07:02]
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Vexual marie claire? whoops, i wanted android developer [07:03]
mircea_popescu dork parade. [07:03]
mircea_popescu but anyways. [07:03]
Vexual trotsky wore a nice hat ya? [07:04]
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Vexual that shit prevents brain injury [07:08]
Duffer1 nice hats? [07:09]
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Vexual my alologies [07:09]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy anyway. [07:10]
Vexual tis the season [07:10]
mircea_popescu "let [07:12]
mircea_popescu s pretend there doesn;t exist a $1bn+ player around and our 5mn start-up could matter" [07:12]
mircea_popescu nice season. [07:12]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka4ZPBLz9NI [07:12]
ozbot Bunny Wailer - Bald Head Jesus - YouTube [07:12]
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kakobrekla imgur.com/Wppk2o2 [07:20]
kakobrekla http://imgur.com/Wppk2o2 [07:20]
ozbot a basic primer on economics (for new users) - Imgur [07:20]
KRS|Gotyawallet Player indeed [07:20]
Vexual hows pankakkes economics lesson going? [07:20]
KRS|Gotyawallet we've all seen those startups with fancy logos and names you've never heard of before..in almost any industry or service offering [07:21]
KRS|Gotyawallet some almost seemed like a packaged deal you can buy online [07:21]
KRS|Gotyawallet real tight and lulzy [07:21]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw [07:21]
ozbot SKRILLEX - Bangarang feat. Sirah [Official Music Video] - YouTube [07:21]
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KRS|Gotyawallet IPO in a box [07:27]
KRS|Gotyawallet Just name your board and officers allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Attorneys fees, filing and taxes extra. [07:27]
KRS|Gotyawallet 'Shells R Us' [07:28]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4 [07:29]
ozbot Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff - YouTube [07:29]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mo75mKFJ0 [07:37]
mircea_popescu one of these days some us kid is going to pay attention in school, and thus hear about this "flying with machines heavier than air" new idea [07:37]
ozbot DJ Algoriddim: King Pharoahs Plague (Yabby U, Vivian Jackson, Tommy McCook, King Tubby) - YouTube [07:37]
mircea_popescu and before you know it there's going to be a bloweing start-up in virginia, which is going to maybe one day have airplane flights among cities! [07:38]
mircea_popescu like you know, a regular thing! creativity! revolution! [07:38]
Vexual theres a great ultralight crash on liveleak [07:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 679 @ 0.002836 = 1.9256 BTC [-] [07:39]
Vexual gotta start somewhere [07:39]
Vexual land, stroke beard, kick thing with adrenalin [07:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the startup of steam! will have to come first. [07:40]
mircea_popescu nah, there's no multi billion dollar steam company already in business [07:40]
asciilifeform (as described here - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388) [07:40]
mircea_popescu thus therefore it's not a hot subject. [07:40]
mircea_popescu notice how kids play about being cavalry officers on their wooden horse cca 1800 [07:41]
mircea_popescu but not 2000 ? [07:41]
mircea_popescu now they're tank commanders. [07:41]
asciilifeform i did both... [07:41]
mircea_popescu i never did the tank thing. [07:41]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOnYL1uSuc [07:45]
ozbot Machete Kills TV SPOT - President Carlos (2013) - Charlie Sheen Movie HD - YouTube [07:45]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KDW80qLXs [07:55]
ozbot Johnny Vegas - The Late Late Show | Behind The Scenes - YouTube [07:55]
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Vexual why is there an mpex logo on that stones track>? [08:09]
Vexual illuminati/? [08:09]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMg_X9lHMc [08:13]
ozbot Marteria - Kids (2 Finger an den Kopf) [Offizielles Video] - YouTube [08:13]
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Vexual hey smidge, im getting thirsty [08:17]
Vexual please don't forget about me [08:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 172 @ 0.00299336 = 0.5149 BTC [+] {5} [08:23]
Vexual you sure get all english as a second language when you don't like the content smidge [08:24]
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Vexual you be 3 million euro in the hole, and all i get is distain [08:28]
truffles ure super broke vexual? [08:30]
Vexual sure [08:31]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1Rs6LSvBs [08:32]
ozbot transvision vamp - i want your love - YouTube [08:32]
truffles i can loan u 6 bux to get u back on ur feat [08:32]
Vexual thanks brah [08:32]
truffles no prob [08:33]
truffles u can turn it into 600 in no time [08:33]
Vexual in a week [08:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0227 = 0.1589 BTC [+] [08:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02215833 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {3} [08:34]
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truffles i believe she wants that love [08:35]
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Vexual ironicly im sure that song gets a cheque [08:36]
truff1es hehe [08:36]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw more cool hatz [08:37]
ozbot Pharrell Williams - Happy (12AM) - YouTube [08:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0487896 = 0.4391 BTC [+] [08:38]
truff1es my fav pharrell song is [08:39]
truff1es cant remember the name [08:41]
Vexual youre shit in so many ways truffles [08:41]
truff1es :8 [08:41]
truff1es why u say that [08:41]
Vexual well its self evident to me [08:42]
truff1es u want hurt my feelings is that it [08:42]
Vexual my apologies [08:42]
truff1es ure sorry now? pfff [08:43]
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Vexual whoa, are u esl too? [08:43]
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truff1es esl ? [08:44]
truff1es :D [08:44]
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Vexual u play mostor hunter truffles? [08:52]
truff1es no? [08:53]
Vexual oh [08:53]
KRS|Gotyawallet anyone see this article [08:54]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12 [08:54]
ozbot The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider [08:54]
KRS|Gotyawallet THIS is why we need to move our assets to dogecoin. [08:56]
Vexual some of the new new sers will get it in a year [08:57]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: That article basically reads as 'Murica can't bitcoin so I hate Bitcoin [08:58]
Vexual murica bitcoins hard [08:58]
mircea_popescu lol meltdown my foot. [08:59]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: And nevar forget that 'Murica isn't even 'Murican enough for Duck Dynasty [08:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet None of those comments address these concerns. [08:59]
mircea_popescu someone should save all this retardedness so we can mock "mainstream" media later on. [08:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqtApWRtEM [08:59]
ozbot Public Enemy No. 1 - Public Enemy - YouTube [08:59]
truff1es monster hunter looks like role playing vexual [08:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet Those seem like valid concerns. These comments are simply just ignoring the issues. [09:00]
mircea_popescu what valid concern specifically ? [09:00]
KRS|Gotyawallet Anyone have a good rebuttal for any of the concerns illustrated in the article? [09:00]
mircea_popescu ... [09:00]
KRS|Gotyawallet I shall pick one. [09:00]
mircea_popescu go ahead [09:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet im not debating or questioning anyone's expertise here. I'm curious because these seem pretty legit. [09:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet ok so the comment about inflation can be dismissed- [09:02]
Vexual .... [09:02]
mircea_popescu well so which are the concerns ? [09:02]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << the cannonical "inflation concern" rebuttal. [09:03]
ozbot The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:03]
KRS|Gotyawallet Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth. [09:03]
KRS|Gotyawallet Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12#ixzz2nzpQ4sy0 [09:03]
mircea_popescu "transactional currency" is a meaningless string created to give the appearance of depth to a nonsense piece of posturing. [09:03]
KRS|Gotyawallet That seems pretty valid. [09:03]
KRS|Gotyawallet However, much of the supply is in the hands of a few. [09:04]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is and was a store of value. this is trilema 2012, [09:04]
Vexual he sung that ax withought a breath [09:04]
mircea_popescu and in general these "professors" and "experts" would do a lot better reading more and talking less. [09:04]
KRS|Gotyawallet so supply isn't a problem.. [09:04]
mircea_popescu gold is not "a transactional currency" either. [09:05]
mircea_popescu who cares and why is it a topic ? [09:05]
truff1es lol! [09:05]
Vexual satoshi was very wizard [09:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0487896 = 0.7318 BTC [+] [09:05]
BingoBoingo I think I said this yesterday, but even the hardest core bitcoiners will still burn fiat for toothpaste instead of BTC [09:05]
BingoBoingo BTC isn't consumer stuff [09:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo of course. grisham's law. [09:06]
mircea_popescu bad money driving the good into the storwe of value function [09:06]
mircea_popescu basically "btc is not a transactional currency" is a fancy way of saying "the usd is shit, so everyone'd rather spend that" [09:06]
Vexual and your avergae bc user prolly has a better about whats going on that your average dollar user [09:07]
truff1es http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJEYeqXPhg [09:07]
ozbot Amaranthe - It's All About Me (Rain) [ALBUM QUALITY] with lyrics - YouTube [09:07]
Vexual a dumb statistic, but worth noting [09:07]
KRS|Gotyawallet You know what, I analyzed this article but i actually applied critical thinking this time..initially, I didn't. It really is a bunch of bullshit. None of the points were backed by good examples. [09:08]
Vexual if you want to really dumb it down, look at early adopters and the skillset and motivation [09:08]
KRS|Gotyawallet I actually can't cite anything else from the article. [09:08]
KRS|Gotyawallet It really is propaganda. [09:08]
mircea_popescu yw. [09:08]
Vexual thats why hes only worked there for 3 weeks [09:08]
KRS|Gotyawallet i had to read it 3 times. [09:08]
KRS|Gotyawallet its like..i read these rags, but my emotions get tied up because i have an investment in it..and admittedly i let it get the best of me. [09:09]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: Welcome to Business Insider, the Buzzfeed of financial reporting [09:09]
mircea_popescu yup. [09:09]
mircea_popescu it's how they're designed to work. [09:09]
KRS|Gotyawallet Critical thinking is hard to weild when your emotions are part of the equation. [09:09]
Vexual elvis said you can ignore space and time, don't mean you have to [09:09]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: Use vodka to blunt the emotions. What could go wrong? [09:10]
KRS|Gotyawallet wow, thanks guys i actually feel enlightened. [09:10]
KRS|Gotyawallet i've tried to tear this thing apart..i can't. [09:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00090421 = 12.885 BTC [-] [09:10]
truff1es u care too much KRS, go drink it off ldo [09:10]
Vexual what type of investment do you think you have krs? [09:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet all else aside, i think we all have the investment of time. and that in itself is most valuable. (C) 2013. [09:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet lol ya my drinking days were left behind in college..wouldn't mind sparking up some fine herb though..pass the j [09:12]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWUnuB6quc [09:14]
ozbot Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube [09:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet BingoBoingo: Business Insider a well known rag? [09:15]
Vexual kinda [09:15]
Vexual and thusly not ashamed to throw some muppet under a bus [09:15]
KRS|Gotyawallet guilty [09:15]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: Business Insider is actually rather new. They made the decision to be glossy toilet paper from the start though. [09:15]
KRS|Gotyawallet hehe [09:16]
KRS|Gotyawallet now i know [09:16]
KRS|Gotyawallet kind of disappointed in myself for not using critical thinking [09:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00283 = 0.1358 BTC [-] [09:16]
KRS|Gotyawallet gotta work on that [09:16]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: It is like upworthy or any other non-content enterprise. Business Insider sells titles to get links. [09:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8835 @ 0.00012 = 1.0602 BTC [+] [09:17]
KRS|Gotyawallet shame..curious, what would be a good publication? i like to read the marketplace in wsj [09:18]
Vexual i buy fortune if i want to look flashy on the plane [09:18]
mircea_popescu theuy all kinda went to shit [09:18]
Vexual the format covers a penthouse [09:18]
KRS|Gotyawallet npr has a business section, i know its radio but everything is available on the website [09:19]
truff1es washington journal got bought by whatshisface [09:19]
Vexual people still read time [09:19]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: For Bitcoin to the best of my knowledge reputable sources consist of Trilema, The Genesis Block, and thedrinkingrecord.com [09:20]
KRS|Gotyawallet BingoBoingo thanks I'll check those out. [09:20]
Vexual i read afr in black and white sometimes, but i need a big pinch of salt, some dos guanos and a lime [09:22]
KRS|Gotyawallet afr? [09:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.0009018 = 12.131 BTC [-] {3} [09:23]
KRS|Gotyawallet honestly..there's nothing like a brand new PENTHOUSE [09:23]
Vexual aussie financial rag [09:23]
KRS|Gotyawallet ah [09:23]
Vexual why do they put penthouse in airports? [09:23]
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KRS|Gotyawallet Hahaaha [09:23]
KRS|Gotyawallet remember CLUB, HUSTLER [09:23]
KRS|Gotyawallet my favs [09:23]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n-Xua%2BY0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg [09:25]
Vexual yeah, we get it [09:25]
KRS|Gotyawallet sorry didnt mean to make you uncomfortable there vexual [09:28]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYAAsHT4QE [09:28]
ozbot Bob Marley Three little birds (Original) - YouTube [09:28]
Vexual fuck no, i hop on the plane open that shit and let murphys law sit a tight little hottie next to me [09:29]
BingoBoingo KRS|Gotyawallet: Some people want to be in the mile high club, but the only willing partner they care to find is their hand [09:29]
Vexual toast lands butter down so i vegemite the floor [09:29]
KRS|Gotyawallet haha [09:29]
Vexual no problemas [09:30]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0 [09:32]
ozbot Wax Rosana Official Music Video - YouTube [09:32]
Vexual dos guanos gringo [09:34]
Vexual stones no longer safe on earth [09:35]
Vexual olo [09:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090169 = 7.484 BTC [-] [09:37]
Vexual let me run it thru orb [09:37]
Vexual nothing [09:40]
Vexual smarthouse my arse [09:42]
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Vexual yes i have an autistic computer [09:45]
Vexual invented before the internet [09:46]
Vexual fuck you google labs [09:47]
BingoBoingo Vexual: I am impressed. I merely have pre-web computers. Nothing pre Internet though [09:47]
Vexual wait, when did the internet start? [09:49]
mircea_popescu 1960s [09:50]
Vexual in any case i chucked that first machine learning package whos name i forget out 20 yearsa ago [09:50]
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BingoBoingo 1969 or 1981 depending on which networks whould be counted as Internet proper and not that Goofy intelligence leak the Air Force ran [09:51]
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Vexual was ip just a joke for plebs? [09:52]
Vexual they dont use ip on subs [09:52]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Subs have IP [09:52]
Vexual yeah? [09:52]
Vexual just more wires? [09:53]
Vexual were talking internet protocol here right? [09:53]
BingoBoingo I'm inclined to take 1981 as the birth of the capital "I" internet though the technologies have been brewing longer. It is when shit went public. [09:53]
bounce usenet. [09:54]
BingoBoingo Vexual, between my Vodka and your bathsalts it is hard to tell what is being discussed [09:54]
Vexual lol [09:54]
Vexual i appreciate the macfee [09:54]
Vexual ip is excellent for the world [09:55]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Scheier and other government agents are dangers to freedom, but so are people tripping balls 24/7 like McAfee [09:56]
Vexual yeah well at least hes in control of his own shit [09:57]
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Vexual gaza would look a lot different without the mossy e [09:58]
Vexual v& [09:58]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM [10:02]
ozbot Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube [10:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00282544 = 1.3449 BTC [-] {12} [10:02]
Vexual whats better than a double edged sword? [10:02]
Vexual ask mcafee hess say a double barrelled shotgun [10:06]
Vexual ask the isralei girl who just turned 22 [10:07]
Vexual she dont want no close quarters comabat [10:08]
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Vexual she will say 2 tickets to goa [10:08]
Vexual the american homeboy in prison might say 2 months in the hole [10:10]
BingoBoingo Vexual? What if you need to cause injury to three people though? [10:10]
Vexual well if you're asking mossad, theyll say a tripple shot fucking long range missile with a 509 metre kill radius [10:11]
Vexual that shit doesnt need a camera, good intel, set, forget [10:14]
Vexual id say a triple edged sword [10:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [10:17]
Vexual and ballet lessons [10:21]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flle3hJm2yk [10:26]
ozbot Peter Chung - Loaded Promo - YouTube [10:26]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ih1SHVkq94 [10:26]
ozbot Umami - Sunny - YouTube [10:26]
Vexual ill dumb it down so more vodka makes it clearer [10:32]
Vexual self relieance and freedom are the themes [10:32]
Vexual both of which arent true [10:32]
Vexual but the trader has both [10:33]
Vexual and they are inalaible [10:33]
Vexual futhermore, in the words of australias great irish hero: [10:34]
Vexual such is life [10:34]
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mircea_popescu so today i learned that while in romania you pay 350 euros a month to rent a property worth 70k, in the us you miostly pay 700 dollars a month to rent a property worth 30k [19:46]
mircea_popescu you people are getting gypped over there big time. [19:46]
Duffer1 we know :( [19:46]
mircea_popescu but i mean... 4.5x ? come on. it's real estate not nuclear physics. [19:47]
mircea_popescu 10, 15, 17% more i can see. 450% ?! [19:47]
pankkake I doubt prices are the same in the whole US [19:47]
Duffer1 there are too many reasons that compound the issue [19:47]
pankkake if you want to laugh, come to Paris [19:47]
mike_c i've been renting for 15 years and have not found that to be true. [19:47]
mircea_popescu pankkake this was spurred by a guy's data re central ohio. meanwhile i had intel check it out [19:47]
mircea_popescu it is eerilie universal to the us, yes. [19:47]
mircea_popescu just property values vary. [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4880 @ 0.001 = 4.88 BTC {2} [19:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c california and ny stand out as exceptions [19:48]
Duffer1 far higher than normal right? [19:48]
Duffer1 "normal" [19:48]
mike_c well, if it is true in the midwest, it is likely related to the fact that nobody can get a mortgage anymore in the us. [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC [19:49]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 exaggerate to hell property values, which make rents a smaller proportion but also exaggerated to all hell. [19:49]
mircea_popescu hardly a "fix" [19:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c no, it's really the baseline that's hidden from you because in california rents are what, 1300 minimum [19:49]
mircea_popescu so that scrunches up the curve. [19:49]
mike_c hah. 1300 would be awesome. i paid 2100 in CA. [19:50]
mircea_popescu you're still being taxed 50k for the priviledge of existing, it just shows up less in the %s [19:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c minimum, ya know ? [19:50]
pankkake is housing out of official inflation statistics? [19:50]
mircea_popescu pankkake obviously. [19:50]
mike_c whatever is inflating is removed from the inflation statistics. [19:51]
Duffer1 hehe [19:51]
peterL yeah, housing and food are not included in CPI calculations, IIRC [19:51]
mircea_popescu i had not previously realised the us is on such a weak footing, tbh. i mean i had a general notion, but i never cared enough to examine the real estate situation. [19:51]
pankkake food isn't either? lol [19:51]
mircea_popescu not to mention you idiots - as there's no better name - still don't use torrens. [19:51]
mircea_popescu what in the actual fuck, is it 1785 in the us ? [19:52]
Duffer1 torrents? [19:52]
mircea_popescu jesus. [19:52]
pankkake that's the two things that indeed have inflated big time in the last years [19:52]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 torrens is a title registration system [19:52]
peterL what's torrens? [19:52]
mircea_popescu which makes it quite feasible for me to buy up real estate personally [19:52]
Duffer1 never heard of it [19:52]
mircea_popescu rather than having to hire some "experts" [19:52]
mircea_popescu to fucking fleece me. [19:52]
mike_c please. having to hire a lawyer, real estate agent, title company, escrow agent, etc, etc. is totally reasonable! [19:53]
mircea_popescu totally. [19:53]
peterL MP, I currently rent a house for about twice it would take to buy it with a mortgage, but because of my credit I cannot get a morgage to buy a house. [19:53]
mircea_popescu i never used ANYONE. not a real estate agent, title company or escrow. ever. [19:53]
Duffer1 wouldn't matter even if we did use such a system, housing as you pointed out is is obscenely expensive [19:53]
mircea_popescu all i used was a half hour of notary public time, cost me ~35 [19:53]
Duffer1 add to that the 35year olds and under have less than zero wealth [19:54]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 it's only obscenely expensive BECAUSE of such restrictions [19:54]
mircea_popescu peterL yeah well, how much you paying and what's it worth ? [19:54]
Duffer1 those agents take their fees on top of list price [19:55]
mircea_popescu i never hired one. [19:55]
Duffer1 remove them and list price is still the same [19:55]
peterL I have not estimated exactly what a mortgage would cost for a while, but it is $1000 rent, house is maybe $90000 [19:55]
mircea_popescu think, millionaire in the 3rd world, never used as much as a real estate agent. [19:55]
mircea_popescu peterL you're not getting gypped quite as bad as the average. [19:56]
mircea_popescu which, incidentally, is one of the deep causes of us real estate bubbles, i am coming to realise. [19:56]
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mircea_popescu it's not loose money policies that cause those, and loose money policies don't cause them in the eu. [19:56]
mircea_popescu it's the ingrained notion learned through experience by all us inhabitants that the more you pay the less you're gouged [19:56]
peterL My previous house sold for about $30000 and is renting for $900 a month [19:56]
mircea_popescu which is wrong, but they look at the percents. [19:56]
mircea_popescu on top of that, loose money bubbles the real estate. because they'd rather be the guy paying 1k for a 90k property [19:57]
mircea_popescu than the guy paying 700 for the 30k property. [19:57]
mircea_popescu obviously it's easier to inflate than to improve. [19:57]
mircea_popescu peterL EXACTLY. [19:57]
mircea_popescu quite frankly, i can not see how anyone'd put up with this arrangement. [19:59]
peterL let me guess, you were investigating "rentalStarter"? [19:59]
mircea_popescu peterL it started there. [19:59]
mircea_popescu why, you know something i don't ? [19:59]
peterL care to share your thoughts on the business? [19:59]
Duffer1 land owners charge what they can, citizens with zero savings pay what they have to [19:59]
Duffer1 rent goes up [20:00]
mircea_popescu the judgement of the business pivots on the judgement of the guy, as it's tghat small. he seems clever and dilligent but how do you ever know. [20:00]
peterL he should have listed on MPEX instead of BitFunder? [20:01]
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mike_c it's turning btc into housing. i don't see how that will work out. [20:01]
mike_c it is a btc divestment. [20:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c well, it's going long fiat. there are situations where one'd want that. [20:01]
mircea_popescu take the x.eur, roughly same on that score. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu you obviously wouldn't think of buying the thing otherwise than "buying an us future with a built in interest rate" [20:02]
pankkake it allows small real estate investments, where they are usually quite complicated (and taxed) [20:02]
pankkake and tradeable [20:02]
mircea_popescu pankkake that's the only reason this may make sense, the guy seems to know the situation on the ground [20:02]
peterL If you expect bitcoin to stabilize, then it could be a good way to invest in real estate. [20:03]
mircea_popescu or it could be a good way to run from btc if you consider it drops. [20:03]
pankkake I'm already invested in real estate, and I feel like I'm sitting on a bubble :D [20:03]
mircea_popescu just, not the usual "it's been 5 days, any updates ?" sort of "investing" [20:03]
mircea_popescu this requires more long term thinking. [20:04]
peterL OK, who wants to help me buy a house and I will pay rent in bitcoins? [20:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake unless there's a war, $30k detached housing in ohio CAN NOT be a bubble. [20:04]
mircea_popescu my mind farts when i consider this [20:04]
mircea_popescu a car costs more for fuck's sake. [20:04]
pankkake I'm not confortable investing in real estate where I don't know the market, too [20:04]
mike_c it will also never be worth much more. [20:04]
mike_c so, income stream, ok. good luck outpacing btc appreciation. [20:05]
pankkake but would you put 100% of your savings in bitcoin? [20:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [20:05]
mircea_popescu possibly not. who's to know ? [20:05]
peterL You want to see how low it can go, Detroit is not far from Ohio [20:05]
mircea_popescu peterL afaik ohio does not have the monoindustry problem [20:05]
mike_c hah. good point. they will pay you to take housing in detroit. [20:05]
mircea_popescu but obviously, before buying in one'd have to very seriously consider awhole host of things. [20:05]
mircea_popescu which is what investing is. [20:06]
mircea_popescu mike_c you know, california is going detroit before ohio is. [20:06]
mike_c yes. you have to start higher to crash that low. [20:06]
mircea_popescu ohio has flyover zone immunity. california has nothing, hollywood's dead and sillicon valley is losing it. [20:06]
mircea_popescu all it can come up with these days is a very thin sliver at the very top and a very wide base of ycombinator retards. [20:07]
mike_c and ycombinator is the thin silver on top of the 1000 yc copycats. [20:07]
pankkake it's the 2000s all over again [20:08]
peterL At least California has better weather than Ohio or Detroit [20:08]
mircea_popescu mike_c and they got nothing, all they have is css devels. [20:08]
Duffer1 googling "torrens" in the u.s. gives nude photo results >.< [20:09]
mircea_popescu they're gonna revolutionize the way people do rounded corners. [20:09]
pankkake california has sluts / porn right? [20:09]
peterL MPEX say "CSS? What's that?" [20:09]
pankkake but it's mobile-first responsive css! [20:09]
mike_c that bubble has already started popping though. the "series A crunch" is the term for the million crappy startups that are dying. [20:09]
mircea_popescu ;;google torrens title [20:10]
gribble Torrens title - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Torrens Title System - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary: ; Torrens title register - Land and Property Information: [20:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c ikr [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7000 @ 0.001 = 7 BTC [20:10]
Duffer1 https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qIe0UrHLOMTmoATk4oHQBQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1011&bih=657 [20:10]
Duffer1 nsfw [20:10]
pankkake at my ex-ex job I really wondered how all our stupid clients got their funding [20:10]
pankkake they all basically wanted to be the facebook-twitter of SOMETHING [20:10]
pankkake they had the most overcssed websites [20:11]
pankkake webpages that would belong in a magazine, not a browser [20:11]
mircea_popescu pankkake "useless stupid unwanted money that nobody knows what to do with" [20:11]
pankkake and no business plan obviously [20:11]
mircea_popescu to quote the sitll living classics. [20:11]
pankkake would be better invested in hookers and blow [20:12]
Duffer1 or a one way plane ticket [20:13]
the20year I don't understand it either pankkake [20:13]
the20year They all want to rehash the same exact stuff, and yet they somehow get millions of dollars of funding [20:14]
the20year When I have a valid idea, one that's already profitable, and i'm having so much time [20:14]
pankkake I guess simple yet profitable ideas are not appealing to bored old men with too much money [20:14]
the20year Problem in Ohio is no one wants to develop rental property since it's a get rich slow scheme. Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase [20:15]
the20year Michigan doesn't have a monoindustry problem , Detroit has one though [20:17]
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nubbins` hi [20:17]
mircea_popescu the20year is what i meant. [20:17]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine they were talking michigan when saying detroit. [20:18]
the20year Real estate can be very, very localized when talking about problems. I could give you a dozen markets in Michigan I'd love to be in [20:18]
peterL mircea_popescue: would MPEx list something like RentalStarter, or is that too removed from bitcoin investing? [20:18]
pankkake I hope what I did with my appartment - making it not look like moldy ass - will get it some price boost [20:18]
the20year and a dozen here in Ohio I don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole [20:18]
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mircea_popescu peterL it might, depending. contrary to what forum muppets think mpex is quite open [20:18]
mircea_popescu if you got a business and a plan you got a shot. [20:19]
peterL oops, mircea_popescu, sorry, I always want to put an e on the end of your name :( [20:19]
nubbins` ah, the joys of home ownership [20:19]
pankkake eheh. I hope one day I'll be worthy of MPEx [20:19]
nubbins` i just spent $275 on a new circulating valve for our tenant's furnace [20:19]
pankkake first step would be get my hand out of my ass [20:19]
the20year I can buy a new furnace for $550 :D [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090673 = 4.987 BTC [-] {2} [20:20]
the20year The one thign that helps us out on the upkeep is that we go through the house on purchase and essentially rebuild the whole thing [20:20]
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nubbins` yeah [20:24]
nubbins` often gutting is the best option long-term [20:24]
nubbins` this pump that failed was an old pump that they re-used when the new furnace was put in [20:25]
the20year We don't completely gut , but anything that's close to its end of effective lifespan gets replaced [20:25]
nubbins` lasted all of 3 years [20:25]
the20year how old is hte furnace? [20:25]
nubbins` yeah [20:25]
nubbins` the furnace itself is maybe 4 years old [20:25]
the20year Oh wow [20:25]
nubbins` yeah [20:25]
the20year one option that I considered, but it just didn't work out for us was to buy a home warranty [20:25]
nubbins` just too costly to upgrade to electric heat [20:25]
the20year are you on gas? [20:26]
nubbins` oil [20:26]
the20year Ah, oil is by far the worst of the worst [20:26]
the20year highest efficientcy is 80% on a furnace, most are 60%-70% [20:26]
nubbins` nod. this one is actually a hot water circulating furnace [20:27]
mircea_popescu Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase << i know a guy that blew up a fortune trying and failing at that. [20:27]
nubbins` more of an ebb-and-flow than an instant-heat sort of system [20:27]
mircea_popescu it's a fucking movie script of a story [20:27]
the20year i'm not too familiar with all the types of oil ones [20:27]
the20year mircea_popescu: plenty fail [20:27]
the20year The saying when I got into real estate was "Make money in wheelbarrow fulls, loose money in dumptruckfulls" [20:28]
nubbins` the20year: basically it's a standard oil furnace, but instead of heating air and pumping it through vents, it heats a large water reservoir that is then circulated throughout the house to radiators [20:28]
mircea_popescu and the us does niot have an inflation problem [20:28]
the20year Even worse [20:28]
the20year I've seen one radiant water heater manage to destroy about $15,000 worth of flooring [20:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's how most europe is heated, except natural gas not oil. [20:28]
the20year natural gas in the US is very, very efficient and cheap [20:28]
mircea_popescu the20year wall attachments are standard. [20:28]
nubbins` it's not a bad system, because you retain the heat after the furnace stops firing [20:29]
mircea_popescu and the bathroom heated towel rack. [20:29]
mircea_popescu the20year same all over the world. [20:29]
the20year Yeah, but the water part is the problem. Using a high flash point oil is much better [20:29]
the20year I pay about $80/mo in the winter to heat my home [20:29]
nubbins` and the cold water going to the water boiler for the faucets/shower gets pre-warmed by the waste heat from the furnace, so that helps [20:29]
mircea_popescu about the same here. [20:29]
mircea_popescu you know, amusingly, most us folk i know think romania is a sort of ohio. [20:29]
nubbins` but oil is just expensive. no sweat to drop $450+ a month in the winter [20:29]
the20year Yeah [20:29]
the20year I'd much, much rather be on wood than oilk [20:30]
nubbins` yeah [20:30]
nubbins` i'd fucking LOVE a wood stove [20:30]
nubbins` but downtown st john's is all 100-year old wooden row houses [20:30]
mircea_popescu last i checked wood here was ~$22 a stere meter. [20:30]
the20year how so mircea_popescu? The Ohioans I know that have been there said it was nothing like Ohio in terms of society or economy......maybe the land is similar [20:30]
nubbins` and as much as i'd love wood, i'd love to continue having home insurance even more [20:30]
mircea_popescu the20year climate :) [20:30]
the20year Growing up we always got wood for free [20:30]
the20year Climate I'm sure is similar [20:30]
the20year Past 6 years has had mild winters, but this winter has been the worst in 20 years [20:31]
the20year and we're not to the 'real winter' part of it [20:31]
mircea_popescu romania had that last yearl ol. [20:31]
nubbins` $80/mo is fucking great to heat a home [20:31]
mircea_popescu lemme dig some picks [20:31]
nubbins` what size are we talking here? [20:31]
the20year Sure it is nubbins` [20:31]
the20year 1100sf [20:31]
nubbins` ah [20:31]
the20year @ 70f winterlong [20:31]
the20year if we pulled it back to 65 or so i bet we could do it for $50/mo [20:32]
nubbins` this place is around 1600sqft, split over 4 levels. average elec bill is $230/mo [20:32]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/ [20:32]
ozbot A nins ? A nins pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:32]
mircea_popescu there we go. [20:32]
mircea_popescu ;;google 1600 sqft in sane units of measurement. [20:32]
gribble Metric 4 US - Why Metric is the Better System: ; Units: S - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: ; Millennium Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [20:32]
nubbins` that's heat, appliances [20:33]
mircea_popescu sigh. no ai yet, eh google ? [20:33]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: consider that canada is ostensibly metric and i don't know the square metrage of my house [20:33]
mircea_popescu ~150. [20:33]
the20year who's the naked lady? [20:33]
mircea_popescu kinda crampy. i have a 220 sq m ground + 170 2nd floor here. [20:33]
mircea_popescu the20year my dog. [20:33]
mircea_popescu well, was. moved on, got married. [20:34]
mircea_popescu i guess now she's someone's mom. [20:34]
nubbins` yeah, i can spit from wall to wall here [20:34]
nubbins` it's nice for shared living tho, sound doesn't travel well between floors [20:35]
the20year So are you located in romania mircea_popescu? [20:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` also keeps people well exercised, with all the floors [20:36]
mircea_popescu the20year atm yeah [20:36]
asciilifeform i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m. [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8354 @ 0.00090613 = 7.5698 BTC [-] [20:37]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: nod, the "studio" is split between the 3rd floor and the basement. sometimes finding your pencil is a workout [20:39]
nubbins` the20year: are you the guy from the forums who was looking into buying rental properties in halifax? [20:39]
nubbins` or was that someone else [20:39]
the20year not me [20:39]
nubbins` okay, i think he was doing similar to you but in canada [20:40]
the20year once i released info on what i wanted to do, like 20 people copied it [20:41]
the20year Another guy in Ohio, one in Detroit, one in alberta, one in NS , one in scottland [20:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02245589 = 2.2456 BTC [+] {3} [20:48]
pankkake asciilifeform: 32m² here too. though I have a big ass cellar [20:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2594 @ 0.00012 = 0.3113 BTC [+] {2} [20:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wow, that's russian style. [20:50]
mircea_popescu the20year i wouldn't be too worried about that if i were you. [20:50]
mircea_popescu pankkake fun fact : the one room, high 20s to low 30s sqm thing is called "garsoniera" in romania, comes from garcon. [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29486997 = 2.0641 BTC [+] {3} [20:52]
asciilifeform u.s.ian analogue 'man cave' ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu i guess so [20:52]
the20year i'm not worried since i was the first one in [20:52]
mircea_popescu it has no derrogatory nuance here tho [20:52]
pankkake well we have the garçonnière. the place where married men fuck other women [20:53]
mircea_popescu the20year copycats have this magical way to a) fail and b) do all the expensive dangerous research for you. [20:53]
mircea_popescu pankkake so that'd be a filletiere. [20:53]
mircea_popescu pronounced filthy-'ere [20:53]
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* jurov lives in garconniere, too :D [20:54]
jurov it's named so there as well [20:54]
pankkake "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery" [20:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+] [20:56]
mircea_popescu i now wonder what the french word for the place where married men fuck other men would be. [20:56]
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pankkake folletière [20:57]
ThickAsThieves monsieuriere [20:57]
mircea_popescu hahaha i like monsieuriere [20:57]
mircea_popescu that's where catholic priests fuck your children. [20:58]
ThickAsThieves fellatiere [20:58]
mircea_popescu hahaha [20:58]
ThickAsThieves its got fella and fellate [20:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04878997 = 1.1222 BTC [+] [20:59]
ThickAsThieves cant beat that [20:59]
mircea_popescu gentlemen, i am glad we've assembled such a crack team of creative linguists on this venue. [20:59]
ThickAsThieves its better than the sexting word they made [20:59]
mircea_popescu by the way, has the "hate speech" crowd managed to make crack a hurtful reference in gay contexts yet ? [21:00]
ThickAsThieves textopornographie [21:00]
ThickAsThieves sounds like an Extreme album [21:00]
mircea_popescu TPG! [21:00]
mircea_popescu tghe french invented this initialism bs which then the us army/govt copied [21:00]
mircea_popescu as they've copied all the bad ideas the french ever had since about 1905 [21:00]
mircea_popescu 1805* [21:00]
jurov merde! [21:01]
pankkake initialism is mostly our administration [21:01]
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the20year who? [21:01]
pankkake where they invent stuff that must have a good initialism. like EDVIGE (sounds like Edwige the female name) for the police spy file [21:02]
pankkake "Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l'information générale" basically means "Data Stuff" [21:03]
mircea_popescu lol [21:03]
mircea_popescu it basically means "word soup" [21:04]
mircea_popescu and how is edvige a "good" anything. it fails to be an obscure female name. [21:04]
truffles what kinda frenchman takes it from a Romanian ! [21:04]
pankkake EDVIGE is arguably better than SRTRKRTS because you can pronounce it [21:06]
mircea_popescu you can pronounce the latter "skirts" [21:06]
pankkake after all, people manage to pronounce SCSI… [21:07]
mircea_popescu which sounds a lot like the romanian "scirt," which means "big whoop" which as stephen fry would put it, works. [21:07]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: ah, those are called bachelor pads here [21:07]
nubbins` re: tiny homes [21:07]
mircea_popescu i thought re catholic priests. [21:07]
the20year One of my biz associates said there's a few RE investment firms looking to expand and want to talk to me [21:07]
nubbins` heh [21:07]
the20year They're all in limited geographic areas and don't want to branch out, which is one of the problems i'm trying to mitigate early on [21:08]
mircea_popescu so that;s good. [21:08]
the20year Yep [21:08]
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mircea_popescu .d [21:11]
ozbot 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 90 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.0535% in 0d 10h 13m 39s [21:11]
the20year ouch [21:11]
mircea_popescu nothing can save it nao. [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2119 @ 0.00012 = 0.2543 BTC [+] [21:12]
pankkake probably santa mining with the gifts [21:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet see the mtgox press release dec 19? [21:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet Now that we are working with MoneyPolo, a leading financial company that is in-tune with the future of Bitcoin, anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies. [21:13]
the20year no? [21:13]
KRS|Gotyawallet https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html [21:13]
ozbot Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange [21:13]
the20year wow [21:13]
KRS|Gotyawallet yeh [21:13]
KRS|Gotyawallet ...then they're like BAM! [21:13]
mircea_popescu send money TO wasnt ever a problem [21:13]
KRS|Gotyawallet oh it was getting it out [21:13]
mircea_popescu and moneypolo is "leading" in the very limited universe in which mtgox also matters. [21:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet well...mt gox isn't designed like that. Between bad trades, fees are supposed to eat up your moneies anyway so getting fiat out isnt a problem. [21:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet I would think it should work both ways though. [21:14]
asciilifeform same universe that 'dwolla' existed in? [21:14]
mircea_popescu dwolla is about a degree of magnitude larger [21:14]
mircea_popescu sure, it's a tiny start-up, but still. [21:15]
asciilifeform (i still can't read 'dwolla' without thinking of nigerian spam. must be the consonant cluster.) [21:15]
KRS|Gotyawallet A: Withdrawals are coming with MoneyPolo, but not just yet. [21:15]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet :p [21:15]
the20year is moneypolo licensed in the US/ [21:15]
nubbins` probably santa mining with the gifts <<< lel, isn't that bad for his chi? [21:15]
mircea_popescu if you've learned anything in this chan, it's reading betwixt the lines [21:15]
pankkake "we need to replete our fractionnal reserve first" [21:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think they named it african-sounding deliberately because sexually insecure california white hipster doofuses. [21:16]
mircea_popescu either that or someone got stuck on wala-wala. [21:16]
mircea_popescu (a small town hipster retreat close to seattle) [21:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 40661 @ 0.001 = 40.661 BTC [21:19]
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ThickAsThieves neobee shareholders are surprisingly good at signing wallet messages [21:34]
ThickAsThieves and there is definitely a correlation to qty of shares held [21:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [21:37]
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benkay what's alt-hopping pool of auto-cashing-out-in-btc repute? [21:42]
KRS|Gotyawallet mining different alt coins to capitalize on their value in hopes of trading up to more btc than otherwise would be mined directly? [21:44]
KRS|Gotyawallet i can quickly point my asics to mine different alt coins based on their profitability and go back if need be..auto cash out at preset levels [21:45]
mircea_popescu benkay i don't think one exists, tho there'd make defionite sense [21:47]
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TomServo middlecoin? [21:47]
benkay that's it. [21:47]
benkay thanks TomServo. [21:48]
mircea_popescu one coin to rule them all or how did it go [21:48]
TomServo been going crazy lately [21:48]
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mircea_popescu tbh i thought middlecoin was a coin not a pool [21:50]
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TomServo nope [21:50]
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TomServo I read somewhere earlier today the operator is doing something like $6K daily on 3%, if I remember correctly [21:51]
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mircea_popescu there's a pool charging 3% which actually gets hash ?! wow. [21:52]
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TomServo paid out 3208.42671599 BTC so far [21:52]
mircea_popescu pretty smart thing, anyway. [21:53]
mircea_popescu who's the guy ? [21:53]
TomServo h2odysee or something like that? [21:53]
mircea_popescu myeah. ok, this is an example of starting up right. joined in may 2013, by july he had a useful service. [21:53]
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mircea_popescu kudos to him. [21:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.001 = 0.203 BTC [21:55]
TomServo agreed. Definitely some secret sauce involved, choosing whichever alt is the best at the time [21:56]
TomServo folks claim he made a killing on doge, but won't admit it [21:56]
TomServo hah [21:56]
mircea_popescu folks like to think their stupidity is what makes the world turn. [21:56]
mircea_popescu and won't face any alternative explanation. [21:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, if his stats are accurate 3k paid out means he made 100 btc. [21:57]
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mircea_popescu 6k a day, but for two weeks. [21:58]
TomServo Yes, the 6k is a very recent thing [21:58]
mircea_popescu more like 500 a day irl, not that such a thing is bad [21:58]
TomServo You see the graph? [21:58]
TomServo middlecoin.com [21:58]
mircea_popescu yeah. [21:58]
mircea_popescu just forcing the point that "6k one day" != "6k a day" [21:59]
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TomServo a fair point, I wasn't intending to misconstrue [21:59]
mircea_popescu this reminds me of the good days of porn [22:01]
mircea_popescu cca 1995 or so [22:01]
the20year For webmasters or what? [22:01]
mircea_popescu for "guy starts service, 3 months later he's making 500 a day" [22:01]
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mircea_popescu just out of nowhere, like that. basically electricity is about as ubiquitous as cunt, and i guess crypto is electricity porn [22:03]
mircea_popescu weird how geek tastes change. [22:03]
FabianB_ "anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies." <-- 128 currencies? I only see 4 countries moneypolo operates in, how could that be 128 currencies? [22:03]
mircea_popescu FabianB_ max halfshortint ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu aka mtgox-pr [22:04]
FabianB_ guess so [22:04]
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jcpham http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tcgox/my_first_month_of_bitcoin_the_good_the_bad_and/ [23:03]
jcpham 1 month pro [23:03]
mircea_popescu lol [23:03]
ThickAsThieves http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/12/canada-lifts-all-restrictions-prostitution-2013122015318412319.html [23:04]
ozbot Canada lifts all restrictions on prostitution - Americas - Al Jazeera English [23:04]
ThickAsThieves Nubbins can work in peace now! [23:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.04878997 = 1.3173 BTC [+] [23:04]
mircea_popescu lolwut? [23:04]
mircea_popescu canada is starting to sound pretty ocol. [23:04]
ThickAsThieves "Only day trade with what you are willing to lose completely." [23:08]
ThickAsThieves pretty horrible day trading [23:08]
jcpham there's much wrong there [23:11]
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asciilifeform children - like playing with matches. news at 11... [23:12]
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ThickAsThieves only eat what you are willing to shit completely [23:18]
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mircea_popescu lmao [23:18]
asciilifeform no [23:18]
asciilifeform in this case, [23:18]
asciilifeform 'only shit what you are willing to then eat.' [23:18]
mircea_popescu mor like only shit what you've completely eaten, uyeah [23:19]
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ThickAsThieves Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal also weighed in: "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended." [23:34]
ThickAsThieves http://gawker.com/what-is-duck-dynasty-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-a-1486356857 [23:34]
ozbot What Is Duck Dynasty and What Does It Have to Do With a Man's Anus? [23:34]
Duffer1 i only knew about it from all the damned facebook spam "ZOMG ITS AND OUTRAGE LIBRUL MEDIA INTELIGENTSIA!!!!1111111" [23:36]
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mircea_popescu it's the perfect storm for the us, really. [23:37]
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mircea_popescu top rated show star gets canned for "hate speech" while quoting the bible. [23:37]
Duffer1 i die a little inside every day :/ [23:37]
mircea_popescu it's finally worked itself into the perfect storm, this deep seething conflict. [23:37]
mircea_popescu a perfect illustration of the incredible damage lincoln's imbecillity did to that country. [23:39]
the20year what imbecillity? [23:39]
Duffer1 after the civil war we should have just let the south separate [23:39]
mircea_popescu if the slavery question were allowed to die out rather than used as a pretext for a war, you wouldn't still be fighting over the mason-dixon line in 2013 ffs. [23:39]
the20year certainly would have been a very interesting situation [23:40]
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mircea_popescu it's my considered opinion that if you make the sorted list of people that have hurt the us, lincoln tops it [23:40]
mircea_popescu bush may be in the top 5, but lincoln tops it. [23:40]
TomServo Can we hear all 5? [23:41]
the20year It can be hard to speculate how different things would be if we could swap decisions out [23:41]
Duffer1 the harm done by lincoln was necessary imo, even if slavery was one of many reasons for the war, emancipation still needed to occur [23:41]
TomServo Yeah, I'm having trouble imagining how the question would 'die out' [23:41]
the20year There could of potentially been a slow transition [23:42]
mircea_popescu TomServo roosevelt probably not in there, as shocking as that may seem. hoover for sure tho. [23:42]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 emancipation was occuring anyway. [23:42]
the20year how do you rate hoover over FDR? [23:42]
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mircea_popescu hardly half the inheritors of slaves intended to keep them past the death of their parents. [23:43]
mircea_popescu the20year that's a huge discussion tbh [23:43]
mircea_popescu TomServo because slavery was fundamentally an economic interest, and it is economically ineffectual. it WAS already dieing out at the time of the war [23:43]
mircea_popescu however, it was dieing out in a sustainable way, rather than creating the black ghettos that the war created. [23:44]
Duffer1 even if they didn't intend to keep them, southern laws forbade their existence outside of any context that didn't revolve around a white master [23:44]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 slavery laws in the south were evolving, like any body of laws. [23:44]
mircea_popescu if you look at their evolution, the thing was doomed anwyay. [23:44]
the20year And slavery today isn't very popular at all , outside of sexual slavery which is a whole other ballgame [23:45]
Duffer1 slavery laws weren't modernized until the 50's and 60s, i believe you're underestimating southern racism [23:45]
the20year And it's not like slavery was only existant in the US, as with anything ,money drives the gears [23:45]
the20year Duffer1: do you live in the south? [23:45]
Duffer1 i grew up in texas [23:45]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 souther racism as you know it today is wholly the creation of the war. [23:45]
mircea_popescu it was entirely a different thing in 1820. [23:46]
the20year The thing is , of all the souterners i Know , none really were racist, but i've known plenty of ohio natives that were extremely racist. Heck my great uncle was in the KKK [23:46]
mircea_popescu in fact, pre-war southern racism is closest to modern day view on criminality. [23:47]
mircea_popescu you could argue that the way criminals are handled today is chiefly designed to keep them criminals [23:47]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, people don't generally intend this. [23:47]
the20year That's about right [23:47]
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Duffer1 they do [23:47]
mircea_popescu but the southerner recognised an extremely varied and complex hierarchy. black = slave = chattel is about as oversimplified as one can get. [23:48]
Duffer1 it's a for-profit prison system [23:48]
mircea_popescu yeah, well. [23:48]
mircea_popescu so what's the gain of the war ? picked a different nigger to pile on ? [23:48]
mircea_popescu criminals "just happen" to be mostly black anyway, hooray for progress. [23:48]
the20year I'm not aware of any gain [23:48]
TomServo how was it economically ineffectual? [23:48]
mircea_popescu TomServo you get more gdp per capita out of 100 barristas trying to write hollywood scripts [23:49]
mircea_popescu than out of 100 field hands picking cotton. [23:49]
the20year Correct [23:49]
Duffer1 the only gain from the war was emancipation, poverty was guaranteed regardless, except for those that left [23:49]
the20year Slaves were extremely ineffective at work, however a 'free' black was significantly more valuable [23:49]
the20year Look at price rates for irish vs germans vs blacks in new york state in the 1800s [23:50]
TomServo I knew I'd be displaying my ignorance asking that, ah well. Thanks. [23:50]
the20year It's a wonderful system we have here [23:51]
the20year While the rights of everyone gets trampled on over failed social projects [23:51]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 poverty was NOT guarantgeed regardless. [23:51]
mircea_popescu this is like saying famine in 1950s germany was guaranteed regardless. [23:51]
mircea_popescu when you go bomb the shit out of the infrastructure the end result is you'll be poor. [23:52]
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Duffer1 it was illegal for them to own anything [23:52]
mircea_popescu that varied. [23:52]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the expression "sold down the river" ? [23:52]
Duffer1 even if they stayed they were fully dependent [23:52]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1 ^ [23:53]
the20year Not all of them [23:54]
Duffer1 i've heard the expression [23:54]
mircea_popescu what do you think it means ? [23:54]
Duffer1 sold to a harsher plantation owner [23:55]
mircea_popescu exactly. but looky : it is an act of betrayal, fundamentally.] [23:55]
mircea_popescu for there to be betrayal there must be trust. trust is the substance of contracts, which is exactly antithetical to how black-white relations are customarioly represented. [23:56]
mircea_popescu it is in fact the way the whites of the time represented them to themselves, mostly. [23:56]
mircea_popescu and now, the fact that upriver conditions are softer and downriver harser kind of proves that the situation is in fact evolving [23:56]
mircea_popescu rather than a set in stone thing. [23:56]
mircea_popescu which is the whole of my argument really. [23:57]
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Duffer1 i dunno, i feel it's a case of a little leaven fermenting the whole lump [23:59]
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