Forum logs for 17 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu Bet started: 8 hours 20 minutes ago. Confirmed bets: 63 ( No: 56 / Yes: 7 ) [00:04]
mircea_popescu i'm really blown away by the yes bets. [00:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00088721 = 6.3436 BTC [+] [00:10]
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nubbins` any of you folks collect bullion? [00:14]
bitcoinpete a little [00:15]
nubbins` i just took a gold buffalo out of the packaging [00:15]
nubbins` really really poor strike [00:15]
nubbins` wondering if that's a common thing [00:15]
bitcoinpete they probably can't stamp them fast enough to keep up with people who haven't heard of BTC [00:16]
nubbins` heh. [00:16]
mircea_popescu i hear modern coins are all shit [00:16]
nubbins` nothing but good from the RCM [00:17]
nubbins` but this buffalo is fucked [00:17]
nubbins` seriously, the edge isn't even a uniform thickness [00:17]
bitcoinpete brutal [00:17]
nubbins` yeah [00:17]
bitcoinpete ya my stuff is all rcm [00:17]
nubbins` and there's a sharp ridge by the fatter part [00:17]
mircea_popescu maybe keep it as "error" [00:17]
nubbins` lel [00:17]
nubbins` ULTRA RARE ERROR BUFFALO [00:17]
nubbins` that's not a bad idea [00:17]
bitcoinpete as rare as the buffalo itself [00:18]
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mircea_popescu fun fact : the buffalo is worth like 2k, and yet nominal face value would be like $50 [00:18]
mircea_popescu wonders of inflation [00:18]
nubbins` yeah, $50 FV [00:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067501 = 0.135 BTC [-] [00:19]
nubbins` kind of a shit design too [00:19]
mircea_popescu isn't it the old nickel indian face ? [00:19]
nubbins` there's an indian of some sort on it [00:20]
nubbins` which is, itself, a bit of a lel [00:20]
nubbins` like putting a jew on the deutsche mark in the 1940s [00:20]
nubbins` or having an office building here in newfoundland called the BEOTHUK BUILDING [00:21]
mircea_popescu if i were designing the reichsmarks in 1940 [00:22]
ThickAsThieves i'm really blown away by the yes bets. /// why's that? [00:22]
mircea_popescu you bet your sweet ass there'd have been a topless jewish girl on the 2 mark piece [00:22]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i just didn't imagine anyone'd be doing it. i'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, just, not what i had imagined. [00:22]
bitcoinpete the higher the denomination, the more lewd [00:22]
bitcoinpete 100 reichsmark would be a full on orgy [00:23]
mircea_popescu nah, 5 marks could be tractors or w/e they did [00:23]
mircea_popescu "face of ugly guy with mustache" [00:23]
joecool nubbins`: never noticed you're newfie, i'll be there for like a month this summer [00:25]
nubbins` ah, no way [00:25]
nubbins` business or pleasure? [00:26]
joecool nubbins`: pleasure, gf's parents own a house there [00:26]
joecool lettin us use it for a month [00:26]
mircea_popescu they have houses in canada ?! [00:26]
joecool mircea_popescu: yeah iknorite? [00:26]
nubbins` heh [00:26]
nubbins` whereabouts in nl? [00:26]
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bitcoinpete out of mud, yes [00:26]
bitcoinpete and teepees are totally houses [00:27]
joecool nubbins`: i'm not entirely sure, i think it's around bay bull's though [00:27]
nubbins` ah, my mother is from bay bulls. [00:27]
nubbins` on the off chance, what's their last name? [00:28]
joecool kennedy [00:28]
mircea_popescu twist : nubbins` discovers his gf was doing double time [00:28]
nubbins` ah, k, probably no relation there :D [00:28]
joecool prob doesn't help much, pretty common name [00:28]
nubbins` my brother in law is a kennedy, but he's from habour grace [00:29]
joecool i've never been there, gf lives on ontario, i live in dirty jerz [00:29]
nubbins` go on a whale watching tour when you're out there [00:29]
ThickAsThieves anyone know the best bitcoin wallet for debian? I'm having trouble getting one to install [00:29]
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joecool nubbins`: you ever see the lights? [00:29]
nubbins` nah, too far south [00:29]
joecool for normal circumstances, just need to keep an eye on when storms flare up, last year i saw them once all the way down here [00:30]
nubbins` nod [00:31]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: maybe the "yes" bettors figure bitbet can keep their coins safer than they can? [00:31]
nubbins` joecool: if you're into hiking, the east coast trail from bay bulls to witless bay (and back on the railway bed) is a good one [00:32]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete this has been remarkably true in many cases so far. [00:32]
mircea_popescu especioally visible on lengthy bets. [00:32]
joecool nubbins`: will note that [00:32]
nubbins` a lot of legs of the trail, you need either two cars or you double back. this particular one, you can make a loop of it [00:33]
nubbins` ah, that bet is the top post on /r/Bitcoin right now [00:33]
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nubbins` i honestly have to lel at facebook sometimes [00:35]
nubbins` cbc shares a video of a bunch of porpoises dying in the water near a supply ship that ran aground [00:36]
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nubbins` "14 people like this" [00:36]
mircea_popescu maybe they were likeable corpses. [00:36]
bitcoinpete haha [00:36]
joecool should bring back the "become a fan" button [00:36]
nubbins` "lost my baby today, feels like my heart has been ripped from my chest" [00:36]
nubbins` 3 people like this [00:36]
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mircea_popescu "After my gangrape last night the doctors had some bad news : [00:38]
mircea_popescu Not just HIV, but also cancer." [00:38]
nubbins` "i'll never have kids" [00:38]
nubbins` 50 people like this [00:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20k63o/almost_50000_are_being_bet_that_1_btc_will_reach/ [00:39]
ozbot Almost $50,000 are being bet that 1 BTC will reach $10 000 before December 201 : Bitcoin [00:39]
mircea_popescu lol reddit discovers bitbet. the first page is like full of bitbet stuff nao [00:39]
nubbins` december 201 [00:40]
joecool mircea_popescu: makin it rain [00:40]
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nubbins` there's a few "don't give money to bitbet, scam, see this link" posts on everything related to bitbet that goes up [00:41]
nubbins` without fail [00:41]
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mircea_popescu open market beagles all contain a little shit. [00:41]
mircea_popescu it's how the open market works. [00:41]
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nubbins` gsdgdfs, do you even irc? [00:42]
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mircea_popescu this net is very slutty. [00:43]
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nubbins` *.net *.slut [00:44]
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mircea_popescu "Soooo.... I used a site in november called betsofbitco.in or something like that and i made a couple bets. Both have passed their date and still are awaiting decisions for 3 months now. I should be winning these bets but there seems to be nothing happening. Anyone know if that site is a scam" [00:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05308993 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {5} [00:46]
nubbins` imagine [00:49]
mircea_popescu i learn a lot from reading reddit [00:49]
nubbins` you're in the minority, then [00:50]
nubbins` except for the people in /r/til [00:50]
steven-__ https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/445300279030710272 [00:50]
ozbot Twitter / aantonop: Planning a podcast on sexism ... [00:50]
nubbins` steven-__: golden hookers at conferences? [00:51]
mircea_popescu lol the golden hooker... that sounds like a decent bitcoiner bar. [00:51]
nubbins` honestly, i'd be embarassed to be seen at any bitcoin event [00:51]
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nubbins` so many neckbeards and wizards [00:51]
mircea_popescu there could be an old crack whore chained to a wall in the bathroom, gilt. [00:51]
mircea_popescu to represent our profound respect and deep use for precious metals. [00:51]
freeroute won't multisig tx's make stuff like bitbet more 'safer' to use? [00:53]
steven-__ safe is always the first word that comes to mind when i think of 3rd party and bitcoin [00:54]
freeroute yeah, centralized solutions to a decentralized protocol aren't always a good thing [00:55]
mircea_popescu freeroute apparently the people who make the calls in bitcoin don't give a shit about particular dead horse tropes. [00:55]
mircea_popescu neckbeards will have to learn to live with it. [00:55]
freeroute what particular dead horse tropes are you referring to? [00:55]
mircea_popescu "multisig tx make things safer" [00:55]
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freeroute I guess it depends on the application, it won't make everything safe [00:58]
mircea_popescu exactly. [00:58]
mircea_popescu if you think about it : sites like bitbet require the power to pay winners. [00:58]
mircea_popescu with losers' btc. [00:58]
mircea_popescu so what exactly ? if you trust the site to adjudicate, you trust the site to hold the btc. there's nothing meaningful to gain by a separation [00:59]
mircea_popescu unless the site itself implements it, which it probably does. [00:59]
Mats_cd03 bitbet doesnt need smart contracts for what it does [00:59]
Mats_cd03 is that the killer feature you are seeing in bitbet with multisig tx [01:00]
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freeroute I guess, not sure about the exact implementation, but it would certainly help bitbet's trust not being able to run away with the BTC [01:01]
freeroute but then again, betting would then be limited to only certain bets [01:02]
Mats_cd03 if you implemented it then heres whats going to happen: [01:02]
Mats_cd03 people say the same things about bitbet operations, but this time they accuse third_party in the same breath [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00088607 = 1.7721 BTC [-] [01:03]
cazalla steven-__: he won't attend conferences unless they have a sexual harassment policy in place as well, the guy is a total SJW [01:03]
mircea_popescu freeroute you've somehow entirely glossed over what was said. [01:03]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as bitbet can resolve bets, it can run off with all btc whether you multisig or not. [01:03]
steven-__ what a clown [01:04]
mircea_popescu the reason bitbet is trusted is for proper reasons, ie, being run by trustworth people. [01:04]
Mats_cd03 and then you've also created a game theoretic scenario where all involved parties can potentially be robbed [01:04]
mircea_popescu not because of improper nonsense, such as "it couldn't gyp us". [01:04]
mircea_popescu i understand that there's a very strong desire in the socially-challenged for replacing girlfriends with porn, but that's not how finance works. [01:05]
mircea_popescu or copulation, for that matter. [01:05]
mircea_popescu you'll always need people. and that's a good thing, because if you didn't the planet'd be pretty darn barren by now. [01:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06538076 = 1.6999 BTC [-] {6} [01:08]
freeroute well yeah at this point I can't see bitbet implementing such a thing because of the nature of the bets (the bets would then be binary and somehow be validated for provably true) [01:08]
Mats_cd03 of party (you, her, and third_party), the following set [(third_party,her), (you,her), (you,third_party)] represents who can collude to screw you, third_party, and her [01:08]
freeroute but I do hope that trust will get out of people's hands into the hands of cryptography. Because generally, people are not a good thing, and never were. [01:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06976999 = 0.4884 BTC [+] {7} [01:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05200601 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2} [01:10]
mircea_popescu freeroute that's nonsense. [01:12]
mircea_popescu communism had a better shot than that. [01:12]
freeroute you didn't have applied mathematics you have now in the 'haydays' of communism [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00587047 = 0.1233 BTC [-] {3} [01:14]
mircea_popescu if I. you see ? [01:14]
mircea_popescu applied mathematics still has to be applied. and i was there when communism fell, and i saw no mathematics anywhere around me. [01:15]
mircea_popescu twas just a sea of people. [01:15]
freeroute the point is, that right now we have a distributed asset class / currency protected by cryptography. It shifts trust from centralized models to a distributed one. That could be seen as step 1. [01:16]
freeroute luckily, the technology which is getting built on top of it, will bring lots of such decentralizations [01:16]
mircea_popescu is the wot centralised or distributed in your nomenclature ? [01:16]
freeroute colored coins is also an example of this [01:16]
nubbins` colored fuckin coins [01:17]
nanotube navhul-lacsup Neil nick1234abcd ninjashogun NormDePloome nubbins` [01:17]
nanotube navhul-lacsup Neil nick1234abcd ninjashogun NormDePloome nubbins` [01:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you knew that was coming out. [01:17]
nubbins` what's unicorn cum an example of? [01:17]
nubbins` rainbows? [01:17]
freeroute mircea_popescu: difficult. I'd say both, I wouldn't trust it more then I would trust security through obscurity [01:18]
freeroute *than [01:18]
freeroute not sure about implementation of colored coins, but the concept is amazing [01:19]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:19]
mircea_popescu well then i'd propose you have no idea what you're talking about, if you use a nomenclature that fails to even split the world properly. [01:19]
mircea_popescu were i to decide to split all objects into heavy and light i could fucking tell you whether a breadbox is heavy or light. [01:19]
freeroute WOT can be as centralized or as decentralized as you make it, the trust could all lead to a central authority (or central authorities) [01:20]
mircea_popescu the wot dood. [01:21]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust freeroute [01:21]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user freeroute: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=freeroute | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=freeroute | Rated since: Tue Apr 2 18:13:09 2013 [01:21]
mircea_popescu that one [01:21]
ThickAsThieves freeroute, so decentralized protects people from scammers? [01:21]
freeroute web of trust, yes. Like the GPG WOT? [01:21]
ThickAsThieves interesting [01:21]
freeroute no, I didn't say that. [01:22]
ThickAsThieves tell me how [01:22]
ThickAsThieves what does it do again? [01:22]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it protects people from having to bow down to their superiors, which idiots with delusions of independence loathe. [01:22]
ThickAsThieves does it? [01:23]
mircea_popescu ultimate autists' fantasy this, "trustless systems". [01:23]
ThickAsThieves humanless systems [01:23]
mircea_popescu exactly. [01:23]
freeroute ThickAsThieves: it makes stock issuance and distribution extremely resilient [01:23]
ThickAsThieves from what? [01:23]
mircea_popescu you.can.not.have.stocks.without.trusting.the.issuer. [01:24]
mircea_popescu jesus god. [01:24]
freeroute true, I didn't claim otherwise [01:24]
ThickAsThieves you claimed resilience [01:24]
freeroute but at least that prevents the exchange screwing everyone over [01:24]
ThickAsThieves to what? [01:24]
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mircea_popescu freeroute and yet this is a solved problem in fiat too. [01:24]
mircea_popescu nyse never screwed anyone over. [01:24]
mircea_popescu how come ? [01:24]
freeroute closing exchanges, for one. over-zealous regulators is another. [01:25]
ThickAsThieves you can protect issuers from regulators? [01:25]
mircea_popescu ah this is too much, i'll bbl. [01:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00088607 = 3.3671 BTC [-] [01:25]
nubbins` WELL GREAT THERE GOES THE CONVERSATION [01:25]
ThickAsThieves lol [01:25]
nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fell1NPfWH0 [01:26]
ozbot Well great, there goes the band Dollhouse - YouTube [01:26]
freeroute wasn't there a documentary about a CS guy who found out that stock exchanges (like the NYSE) were basically frauding people? [01:26]
ThickAsThieves you can't remove people from the system [01:26]
freeroute of course you can't, but you can minimize their impact on it [01:26]
ThickAsThieves you realize a good exchange actually plays a role [01:27]
freeroute which is? [01:27]
ThickAsThieves to provide a number of services [01:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05439423 = 0.1088 BTC [+] [01:27]
ThickAsThieves to the issuers, to regulators, to traders [01:27]
ThickAsThieves a decentralized one can't fill all roles [01:28]
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ThickAsThieves it can only automate [01:28]
ThickAsThieves even then, don't most of these decentralized exchanges lean on less than 10 points of trust? [01:29]
ThickAsThieves is a decentralized stock exchange not able to be regulated? [01:29]
freeroute there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03764609 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {3} [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [-] [01:29]
ThickAsThieves would anyone providing ledger services to a stock exchange not be regulatable? [01:29]
freeroute in the case of CC, wouldn't it itself be a ledger (or the blockchain itself being a ledger) ? [01:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06318838 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {2} [01:30]
freeroute it would be regulated the same way BTC would, I assume [01:30]
ThickAsThieves (I realize this leads to arguments on bitcoin's susceptibility to regulation) [01:30]
ThickAsThieves BTC's regulatory future is not finalized yknow [01:31]
ThickAsThieves miners could come under it [01:31]
ThickAsThieves and likely will eventually [01:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0630001 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2} [01:31]
freeroute hmm, I always thought that regulation in regards to BTC could only be applied at the "IRL" fiat-side of things [01:32]
freeroute so assume miners fall under the regulation, who's to say they won't employ techniques to evade that regulation? [01:32]
ThickAsThieves the USG for example cares most about two things [01:32]
ThickAsThieves money laundering [01:32]
ThickAsThieves and consumer protection [01:32]
ThickAsThieves in regards to btc at least [01:32]
Mats_cd03 i fucking hate that phrase, 'money laundering' [01:32]
Mats_cd03 i move to have it permanently banned from use [01:33]
freeroute ThickAsThieves: well, it's nice that they care. [01:33]
ThickAsThieves regulating that no miner may have more than XX% of the network power is not an absurd notion [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05438353 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2} [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06700052 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2} [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [01:33]
freeroute regulating that is also nice. But how would that be applied? [01:34]
ThickAsThieves not applied, enforced [01:34]
nubbins` it wouldn't [01:34]
Mats_cd03 you could not enforce that [01:34]
ThickAsThieves well [01:34]
ThickAsThieves someone is caught doing it, for example [01:34]
Mats_cd03 without a centralization authority which the protocol lacks for this purpose [01:34]
nubbins` trivial to circumvent [01:34]
ThickAsThieves they are hauled in [01:34]
ThickAsThieves well many laws are trivial to circumvent [01:35]
ThickAsThieves doesnt stop them from existing [01:35]
nubbins` too true [01:35]
nubbins` "no miner may mine more than XX TH/s from the same IP" [01:35]
freeroute enforced was the word I was looking for indeed [01:35]
ThickAsThieves maybe ASICMINER grunt whistleblows in 2017 [01:35]
ThickAsThieves doesnt have to be easy to catch someone [01:35]
ThickAsThieves it would just be such that someone breaking a law, would now know so [01:36]
ThickAsThieves of course people here would disagree this is even possible [01:36]
ThickAsThieves regulating bitcoin [01:36]
Mats_cd03 i suppose a combined legal and technical approach would be a best-effort case for enforcement [01:37]
ThickAsThieves i'm on the fence [01:37]
ThickAsThieves i think it can be for the most part [01:37]
freeroute even so, they parties who disagree can easily operate in area's which do not have those regulations [01:37]
freeroute *the parties [01:37]
ThickAsThieves well same for all laws right? [01:37]
Mats_cd03 i would not bet any of my wealth on a best-effort approach [01:37]
ThickAsThieves you wanna sell pot, move to Amesterdam [01:37]
ThickAsThieves etc [01:38]
ThickAsThieves Amsterdam* [01:38]
ThickAsThieves people keep jumping to these yeah but it's international arguments [01:38]
freeroute not really a great example since selling pot commercially is still heavily regulated and still not legal, but I do see where you're getting at [01:38]
ThickAsThieves it doesnt matter [01:38]
ThickAsThieves all the world is international, yet every country has different laws [01:38]
ThickAsThieves yet people live in every country [01:39]
ThickAsThieves the world turns [01:39]
freeroute what Bitcoin (for the most part) enables, is full "in the cloud" operation wherever you geographically might be positioned. As long as you're connected, you can do most of the stuff with BTC. [01:39]
ThickAsThieves so why the effort to remove trust from the equation? [01:40]
ThickAsThieves you can't [01:40]
Mats_cd03 youve blown my mind, i never realized that about bitcoin /s [01:40]
ThickAsThieves hell, 99.9% of the people never even vetted the code [01:40]
ThickAsThieves for all we know it's majorly flawed and the people that know choose to just bank off it [01:41]
ThickAsThieves how's that for trust? [01:41]
ThickAsThieves are you gonna go through the CC code? [01:42]
freeroute putting trust from the hands of people into mathematics is a way of making sure that you can't be screwed by people, which has happened numerous times already. [01:42]
ThickAsThieves do you know how decentralized it really is? [01:43]
ThickAsThieves same for Mastercoin etc [01:43]
freeroute well you can't abolish trust entirely, that would be unreal [01:43]
ThickAsThieves what if ghash.io manages 80% of the CC ledger? [01:44]
ThickAsThieves what if they wait 9mos til everyone gets comfortable and fuck everyone over? [01:44]
freeroute CC doesn't have a ledger AFAIK, it uses BTC ledger [01:44]
ThickAsThieves something manages the metadata no? [01:44]
freeroute the metadata is inside of the BTC tx'es, right? [01:45]
ThickAsThieves what parses it? [01:45]
ThickAsThieves what maintains updated listings? [01:45]
freeroute the client, same way the BTC client parses the blockchain [01:45]
freeroute (I assume) [01:45]
ThickAsThieves i may be mixing OT and MasterCoin in here [01:45]
freeroute MC is similar to CC but OT is a communication system which can be used on top of MC / CC AFAIK [01:46]
ThickAsThieves as i understood decentralized systems, they utilize new ledgers, maintained by servers [01:46]
freeroute ah that sounds like OT's system [01:46]
ThickAsThieves in the end though youre still quite a slave to the issuer [01:47]
ThickAsThieves an exchange has an incentive to vet it's issuers [01:47]
ThickAsThieves its* [01:47]
freeroute well no one stops a service vetting issuers [01:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05396624 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {2} [01:48]
ThickAsThieves well you want to rmeove the exchange right? [01:48]
freeroute so? [01:48]
ThickAsThieves compare mpex and cryptostocks [01:48]
ThickAsThieves this is how it unfolds [01:48]
ThickAsThieves why wouldnt a reputable issuer use a reputable exchange? [01:49]
freeroute nothing, but then the issuer would then be at the mercy of the exchange [01:49]
ThickAsThieves the CC system will be riddled with scams and issuers no one else would have [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00088607 = 0.2738 BTC [-] [01:50]
freeroute true [01:50]
nubbins` ^ [01:50]
freeroute just like Bitcoin was/is [01:50]
nubbins` ^ [01:50]
mircea_popescu ... [01:50]
freeroute but that's the nature of decentralized and unregulated systems [01:50]
ThickAsThieves that you cant trust them? [01:50]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is about to rip buffett a new one. what are you talking about. [01:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29691 @ 0.00088254 = 26.2035 BTC [-] {4} [01:51]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin is not comparable to stock issuance [01:51]
freeroute ThickAsThieves: that there is no middleman in between that can screw things up [01:51]
mircea_popescu there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK << there has been, for years. ot, open transactions. [01:51]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin makes no claims [01:51]
ThickAsThieves had no obligations [01:51]
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ThickAsThieves it is what it is [01:51]
freeroute indeed [01:52]
cadmus2 MtGox is mentioned on the FAQ page - came in here to let someone update it [01:52]
mircea_popescu cadmus2 faq page of what. [01:52]
cadmus2 http://bitbet.us/faq/ [01:52]
ozbot FAQ BitBet [01:52]
freeroute mircea_popescu: hmm, I was under the impression that OT was still being developed [01:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, freeroute, you'll need to do some reading. like http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ and http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ [01:53]
mircea_popescu cadmus2 a. well so it'll be a nice bit of memorabilia, by 2025 people will be all "hmm what's a mtgox" [01:53]
mircea_popescu then granpa mp can tell the chitlins all about this magic the gathering thing [01:54]
cadmus2 true [01:56]
freeroute mircea_popescu: cool, I'll give them a read. [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907202 = 0.1381 BTC [+] [01:57]
mircea_popescu cool. [01:57]
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mircea_popescu "It would be so awesome, if the owner of this homepage just takes all the coins. :D it's almost 2 000 000 fucking dollars!!!!" [02:00]
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benderp california ain't so bad after all, guys! [02:01]
benderp the women are retarded [02:01]
benderp the men are retarded [02:01]
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benderp 50% of the land is covered with asphalt, and 40% with retarded californian lean-to's in the style of something elsewhere that actually matters [02:02]
khersonus taking coins is typical stupid bitcoin user logic. It shows with the number of scams that have happened. [02:02]
benderp but the best part is how the cell network can't sustain a connection to IRC via anything but JS. [02:02]
benderp FML. [02:02]
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mircea_popescu benderp well look on the bright side : maybe it falls into the ocean. [02:05]
mircea_popescu khersonus what were you trying to say ? [02:06]
khersonus mircea_popescu: that there have been a large number of scams in bitcoin as a result of the "owner takes all the coins" thinking [02:07]
khersonus mircea_popescu: btw, been reading through your blog, good stuff (and some... weird stuff) [02:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907214 = 0.1381 BTC [+] [02:08]
mircea_popescu the problem here would be that bitcoin is a two tier society. [02:10]
mircea_popescu while the plebs like to claim that they're "the community", this was never either true or seriously considered by anyone. [02:10]
mircea_popescu so... don't tell me about how the people that didn't listen to mpoe-pr and went and lost their btc on glbse somehow "Suffered" [02:11]
mircea_popescu they suffered the just reward for their idiocy, which has nothing to do with bitcoin in any sense, and even less with exchanges, or with owners [02:11]
Mats_cd03 benderp: try irccloud? [02:12]
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asciilifeform damn it, i leave for just one day to hang out with humans in person, and miss all this good shit. [02:14]
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mircea_popescu lol [02:15]
mircea_popescu decentralize! [02:15]
khersonus mircea_popescu: why not run your options system with your own pricing index? it seemed to me that your two complaints about bitcoincharts were that an exchange pushed doge data, and they didn't remove mtgox. Couldn't you do better yourself? [02:15]
the20year thecluck_ thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk thomie [02:15]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves o hey, the bet is officially a net positive nao. Yes pays: 0.99990488 [02:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00088721 = 5.5007 BTC [+] [02:16]
mircea_popescu khersonus i could, practically. i couldn't, theoretically, becuase THAT would be undue concentration, ie the bad sort of centralisation. [02:16]
asciilifeform from the loltron: [02:17]
asciilifeform http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446 [02:17]
Duffer1 that would be a pretty massive conflict of interest khers [02:17]
mircea_popescu lol poor guys. [02:17]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 imagine if i also got to select the secret valid nonce for each block, too. [02:17]
Duffer1 would you buy romania? [02:18]
mircea_popescu nah [02:19]
khersonus Duffer1: maybe that's true. But maybe this big bet on berkshire is also a conflict of interests? he owns most of bitbet anyway, I thought [02:19]
mircea_popescu khersonus so what is the ownership of bitbet going to do, change the brk-a market ? [02:19]
Duffer1 that's different though, the terms are clear to everyone and unalterable [02:19]
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ThickAsThieves well technically the terms are alterable [02:21]
benderp oh teh ironies [02:21]
ThickAsThieves if they want to lose trust [02:21]
Duffer1 i suppose so, you are right [02:21]
khersonus a proper index could publish all of its calculations. It could even be a collection of scripts that everyone could run to verify the data on their own. mircea could just publish the verified results. [02:22]
benderp asciilifeform: wtf? forgive my naive but what are the actual odds of that happening?! [02:22]
ThickAsThieves to play devil's advocate, why wouldn't MPEx use a decentralized system to manage its issuances, assuming things like orderbook delays were not a problem? [02:22]
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asciilifeform anyone else's port 80 honeypots full of 'zologize' ? [02:22]
mircea_popescu khersonus but there's some decisions to be made, and they're toxic for me. [02:22]
asciilifeform some interesting rumour on the matter: [02:22]
mircea_popescu someone else'd have to make them, and make them well. [02:22]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/03/nsa-zologize.htm [02:22]
khersonus mircea_popescu: for example? [02:23]
khersonus (dropping mtgox?) [02:23]
mircea_popescu for instance. [02:23]
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mircea_popescu or rejecting bitfinex, which inexplicably everyone includes atm [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00349948 = 0.3394 BTC [+] {3} [02:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't seem too convincing to me. [02:24]
khersonus it still doesn't seem like it would be that difficult of a problem. I'm surprised you haven't come up with a solution, given the potential profit it could have and has had for mpex [02:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a turd that port scans wantonly would appear to be uncommonly poor workmanship even for usg. [02:26]
asciilifeform but you never know. [02:26]
mircea_popescu axa.php ? cmon. [02:26]
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mircea_popescu khersonus didja read teh mpoe report ? [02:26]
ThickAsThieves didnt google cars go around pretty much port scanning entire nations? [02:26]
khersonus I'll read it again [02:26]
ThickAsThieves (wifi) [02:27]
BingoBoingo http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Accused+court+bizarre+stabbing+Russian+diplomat/9622192/story.html [02:27]
ozbot Man accused of stabbing Russian diplomat is DND employee, reservist [02:27]
benkay much better. [02:27]
bounce http://btcfaucet.com/logs/bitscotty/ [02:27]
ozbot Index of /logs/bitscotty [02:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00349951 = 0.1225 BTC [+] [02:27]
mircea_popescu bounce lol! what's that ? [02:29]
ThickAsThieves "Can someone explain to me why Berkshire stock has the value that it has? It has never paid a dividend. What benefit is there in owning such a stock, other than it increasing in value?" [02:29]
mircea_popescu lol word. [02:30]
mircea_popescu is this from twitter ? [02:30]
Dimsler lol [02:31]
khersonus "if you look at the whole pie I’d be muchly surprised if a tenth of all Bitcoin trade ever sees a so-called exchange website" < if this is really true, I can see your point. I've just never witnessed that much otc trading, perhaps. [02:31]
Dimsler what do you mean? [02:31]
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benkay all complaints about california aside, the company is fantastic: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3a7642c [02:31]
Dimsler how is that any different then facebook? [02:31]
benkay (amazing company) [02:31]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:31]
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benkay thanks, oz [02:32]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jxdg/bitcoin_baron_bets_bitcoin_beats_berkshire/cg40y9y [02:35]
ozbot -altoid- comments on Bitcoin Baron Bets Bitcoin Beats Berkshire [02:35]
mircea_popescu that's some pretty epic shit right there. [02:35]
dub eww that thing looks like lorde [02:36]
mircea_popescu "damn these reality check things getting in the way of my delusional substitute for a through process" [02:36]
dub asciilifeform: is there something deeper than 'nsa tests botnet I think'? [02:37]
asciilifeform dub: other than the factoid that they employ folks to steal poorly-secured traditional chumpnets, this is uninteresting. [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00088566 = 5.9782 BTC [-] [02:38]
dub right [02:39]
mircea_popescu the "it's nsa" link isn't particularly strong. [02:39]
asciilifeform right [02:39]
mircea_popescu 'random botnet-ish requests show vague link to nsa in one blogger's estimation' is what i'd call it [02:40]
mircea_popescu which... jesus, you should see what's in my logs. [02:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0034994 = 0.28 BTC [-] {3} [02:40]
mircea_popescu actually, here : [02:41]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/ [02:41]
ozbot O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00349953 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {2} [02:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00349949 = 0.175 BTC [-] [02:42]
Duffer1 so Obama called Putin to tell him the U.S. would never recognize the Crimea referendum. I can't imagine Putins response was anything other than "HAHAHHHAAHAHA" [02:43]
mircea_popescu or perhaps something along the lines of "Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up." [02:44]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://t.co/DTU0Y8BKhJ [02:49]
asciilifeform lol! [02:49]
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asciilifeform fellow's a pro clown, for those who didn't know. [02:50]
mircea_popescu yeah but this time he hit on comedy. [02:50]
asciilifeform although some of his proposals are popular in russia. e.g., re-conquest of the baltics to use as nuke waste storage. [02:50]
mircea_popescu http://www.cnbc.com/id/101488710 [02:51]
ozbot Markets hang in the balance ahead of Fed decision [02:51]
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Hirethestache Is it possible to send a wager to Bit et from Coinbase? [03:16]
Hirethestache BitBet* [03:16]
mircea_popescu yes [03:17]
mircea_popescu just make sure you control the outbound address [03:17]
mircea_popescu (it asks you where should payment be sent if you win. make sure you own that address) [03:18]
Duffer1 do you have confidence that coinbase will still be around by the time the bet resolves though.. [03:18]
Hirethestache I've searched for a simple guide, but there are not many resources on the specific resolve [03:18]
benkay Duffer1: coinbase wouldn't have to be around by bet resolution, though. [03:18]
benkay Hirethestache: do you have your own bitcoin wallet? [03:19]
Hirethestache I do, more or less. I have my cold storage, but I use my small amount on CB for small transactions. [03:19]
Duffer1 depends if he downloads the private keys or not [03:19]
benkay you might consider developing a workflow that includes owning your own bitcoins. [03:19]
benkay it's onerous, but most worthwhile things are. [03:19]
Hirethestache I'm mobile, and there are not any iOS apps for BTC wallets that I know about. I have my android with a small wallet, but it's not on me ATM. [03:21]
benkay do you not have a computer? [03:21]
Hirethestache I'm traveling, so no unfortunately not. [03:22]
benkay tough. [03:22]
Hirethestache Just my iPhone and nexus tablet, but I won't have access to the nexus for 48hours [03:22]
benkay you know the Nexus is trivially broken wide open and all storage read out, right? [03:23]
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benkay (true of all phone-type-combudder things) [03:23]
Hirethestache Do you have any documentation on that? I need to look into that, definitely [03:23]
benkay no documentation necessary. it's not your hardware. it doesn't obey your commands. don't put your coins on it. [03:24]
bitcoinpete Partially inspired by freeroute: [03:24]
benkay spend 200 bucks on a linux netbook. [03:24]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ [03:24]
ozbot IRC Yeshiva | When Bitcoin Met Pete [03:24]
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Hirethestache Oh yeah, I don't have any coins directly on it. I have a small Coinbase account, a small amount on my nexus wallet, and everything else on a paper wallet in a safe [03:26]
mircea_popescu im with benkay. phones make poor wallets. [03:26]
bitcoinpete Also partially inspired by Rabbi bin Popescu's "a bug in the implementation of physicality" line. [03:26]
mircea_popescu having a few cents in there for convenience is fine, but don't go overboard [03:26]
benkay convenience? this is bitcoin!!!11 [03:26]
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benkay plan ahead, etc. [03:27]
Hirethestache I agree. I have about 3 on CB and two on my nexus [03:27]
mircea_popescu benkay as an experiment i put a privkey in a window at some point in 2012. [03:27]
mircea_popescu it was unspent after a week [03:27]
Hirethestache Another 12 on cold [03:27]
benkay you keep 2/21M of the monetary base on your phone?! [03:27]
benkay mircea_popescu: still unspent? [03:28]
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test123 hello [03:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008893 = 12.0056 BTC [+] {2} [03:28]
mircea_popescu benkay well that was a while ago. [03:28]
Hirethestache It's on the nexus which is wifi only, and I only go online when I need to use it for BTC. Two step aught still [03:29]
mircea_popescu hi test123 [03:29]
benkay mircea_popescu: ... [03:29]
test123 hi [03:29]
benkay mircea_popescu: i guess 2012's a while ago in buttyears [03:29]
mircea_popescu i eventually took it out, what. [03:29]
test123 this is bitbet's forum? [03:30]
benkay test123: lotsa stuff happens here. some bitbet stuff as well. [03:30]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c2632 < lmao [03:30]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment [03:30]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete some history books are filled with pompoms [03:30]
mircea_popescu like "An Illustrated History of Pompoms, and the BonBons that Whore Them" [03:31]
mircea_popescu -h [03:31]
Hirethestache But back to my original question, is there an easy way to send to bitbet from Coinbase? I wanna get in on this bet ASAP, but I only have my iPhone, ergo only have access to the Coinbase wallet [03:31]
mircea_popescu Hirethestache you can send from anywhere. just make sure you control the outbound address you specify. [03:31]
mircea_popescu that's why that's there. [03:31]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu lmao I'll have to look for those next time I'm at the public library [03:32]
test123 for that berkshire bet, why are people betting now- why not wait until just before betting closes, when bets aren't locked in? [03:33]
mircea_popescu because of the weight. [03:33]
Hirethestache Might have to email myself from my Coinbase and take the address out of the ema. That's the only workaround I can think of [03:34]
mircea_popescu Hirethestache if you say you have a cold wallet, you can just use that as a bitbet outbound address [03:34]
benkay Hirethestache: there are also brainwallets you could use [03:34]
mircea_popescu if you win it'll just be added to your cold wallet. [03:34]
benkay ^^ or that [03:34]
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mircea_popescu test123 look at this one http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ [03:35]
mircea_popescu compare 26-11-13 11:10 Yes 94`370 11.00000000 13kEx 13.96254379 with 17-01-14 13:22 Yes 14`482 10.00000000 14NeT 10.32864719 [03:35]
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Hirethestache Mircea, I don't have the cold storage addresses stored digitally anywhere [03:36]
mircea_popescu well that's maybe not so smart. [03:36]
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mircea_popescu don't you ever want to check it ? [03:36]
Hirethestache Haven't had to, only had it for about two weeks [03:37]
benkay you may consider a dicelist and a deterministic wallet, Hirethestache. [03:37]
benkay ;;google dicelist [03:38]
gribble Diceware Passphrase Home: ; Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Diceware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [03:38]
mircea_popescu ah, the two weeks, bitcoin's only true measure of time. [03:38]
mircea_popescu holy shit i rank for dicelist ?! [03:38]
benkay apparently. [03:38]
mircea_popescu such seo. [03:38]
Hirethestache My bitcoin lingo is now officially dead in the water. I really need to do more research. You think you know so much until you realize you don't. [03:38]
benkay honestly it's probably tuning itself for grbble queries, mircea_popescu. [03:38]
mircea_popescu it must be. [03:38]
mircea_popescu but wait [03:39]
mircea_popescu no, it can't. cause it doesn't know what gribble clicks. [03:39]
benkay oh come on they can kinda infer that, right? [03:39]
mircea_popescu how ? [03:39]
mircea_popescu this is the perfect anon model, gribble googling. how would google ever figure it out ? [03:39]
benkay hm [03:39]
benkay perhaps clustering against gribble searches then, which weights trilema? [03:40]
Duffer1 @bitcoinpete https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5737954#msg5737954 [03:40]
benkay mad trilema-y searches from gribble. [03:40]
mircea_popescu i dunno man. [03:40]
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benkay Hirethestache: for how long are you traveling? [03:41]
Hirethestache 8 more days [03:41]
benkay ah, what's the rush. [03:41]
Hirethestache Bet ends in 7 haha [03:41]
mircea_popescu lol [03:42]
benkay f'real? [03:42]
test123 i see thanks- greater weight equals greater pay out at end if on winning side [03:42]
mircea_popescu test123 indeed. [03:42]
bitcoinpete Duffer1: beauty [03:42]
mircea_popescu it's all explained in the faw. [03:42]
mircea_popescu faq* [03:42]
bitcoinpete I'll bbl [03:42]
Hirethestache ^^hence the reason I'm so adamant about betting ASAP hah [03:42]
Duffer1 ^.^ [03:42]
benkay Hirethestache: 2015? [03:42]
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mircea_popescu Hirethestache wait, you think the berkshire bet ends in a week or is this some other bet you're talking asbout [03:43]
Hirethestache It's not the warren buffet bet [03:43]
benkay o [03:43]
benkay hey jsbrekla text is not highlightable on bitbet homepage [03:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, if you're travelling with no safe addresses and no way to make them you're sol. [03:43]
Hirethestache Although I do plan on betting on BRK [03:44]
mircea_popescu so for all the kids keeping score at home : always carry some safe addresses when travelling. [03:44]
mircea_popescu even if you can't spend out of them [03:44]
benkay one never knows when bitcoins are going to shower from the heavens [03:44]
benkay Hirethestache: if your bet closes in 7 days just use the CB address. they won't likely go out of business with so little fanfare. [03:44]
mircea_popescu nah [03:45]
mircea_popescu it'll just get comingled won't it ? [03:45]
Hirethestache Yeah, you guys are schooling me on my knowledge, or lack thereof, of proper BTC safety [03:45]
benkay welcome to -assets. [03:45]
benkay mircea_popescu Hirethestache doesn't CB allocate users a specific receipt address? [03:46]
mircea_popescu i have no idea i never used the thing [03:46]
benkay mircea_popescu Hirethestache i'm suggesting using the user-specific inbound address. [03:46]
Duffer1 they don't make it obvious, but i believe they do, let me check [03:46]
Hirethestache I need to go back to BTC school [03:46]
benkay this is BTC school Hirethestache [03:46]
mircea_popescu what;s a stache anyway [03:46]
benkay bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ Hirethestache [03:46]
benkay moustache [03:46]
mircea_popescu too obvious [03:47]
mircea_popescu "Being quiet and studious is broadly unknown in a western culture that prizes “views”, “likes” and the inane extraversion required to generate them." no see, that's attacking people's self esteem. [03:47]
Duffer1 Hirethestache it appears coinbase keeps track of all addresses generated by your transactions (they appear to use a new address for every deposit/withdrawl) you can view them under Account Settings - Bitcoin Addresses [03:50]
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Duffer1 hirethestache money sent to any of those addresses in that list will probably be credited to your CB account, but i'm not 100% on that, by trying to dumb it down for the average person they make it way more complicated... [03:51]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this is practical for them. [03:52]
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mircea_popescu if they have 1k customers that make 1k transactions each that's 1mn addresses they have to keep track of [03:53]
mircea_popescu doesn't seem toscale too well. [03:53]
benkay it's a rails stack, who said anything about scaling? [03:53]
mircea_popescu lord have mercy. [03:53]
benkay none. [03:53]
benkay they're in a tough spot. they're guaranteeing cold storage for customer funds, but also that they can send funds on demand. this requires they commingle, which is anathema. [03:54]
mircea_popescu i don't see that it's such anathema. [03:55]
mircea_popescu put eggs in basked, watch basket. [03:55]
benkay maybe allowing ones funds to be so commingled is anathema. [03:55]
benkay maybe trusting others with ones coins. [03:55]
benkay specifically, silly-con valley bank. [03:56]
benkay that is *definitely* anathema. [03:56]
mircea_popescu ya well, i don't personally trust them so i have no use for them on these lines, but in principle what can you do. [03:56]
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benkay ruby on rails = bitcoin marble pillars [03:58]
mircea_popescu seems there's a progression at work, php -> ruby -> [03:58]
mircea_popescu sorta like the people involved, 22 -> 25 -> [03:58]
benkay oh man php [03:59]
benkay subject of php [03:59]
benkay client has app and backend they brought my firm on to shephard into app store and reverse-engineer an SDK out of. [03:59]
benkay backend in php 'cause what else [03:59]
benkay when it comes time to compare hashes, guess what happens. [03:59]
mircea_popescu hahaha php-collision ? [04:00]
Duffer1 magic? [04:00]
benkay (NO SERIOUSLY ARE THESE STRINGS EQUAL) [04:00]
mircea_popescu benkay easy way to solve problem : hash precompare. [04:00]
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mircea_popescu if (md5(a) = md5(b)) [04:00]
benkay man [04:01]
mircea_popescu nono [04:01]
mircea_popescu i tell you :D [04:01]
hirethestache got my hands on my nexus. [04:01]
benkay i don't even php, so i don't know how hard you're trolling right now [04:01]
mircea_popescu lol [04:02]
benkay wouldn't be surprised if that call was something along the lines of "are these both thingers in memory? great! return true." [04:02]
mircea_popescu i don't know how hard im trolling either, tbh, but i figure it should be somewhere between my penis and a brick wall. [04:02]
benkay anyways, love these guys. smart fuckers. tough sell on the job is going to be lisp and not haskell for the backend. [04:03]
benkay although maybe we'll all learn some haskell and learn something about strongly typed systems. [04:04]
benkay mircea_popescu re: hardness http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/ [04:05]
mircea_popescu o ya. [04:05]
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diametric mircea_popescu: quite the commotion you you started with that bet [04:08]
mircea_popescu turns out im good at that. [04:08]
diametric i like it, all the anti-mp people were out in full force on reddit [04:08]
diametric "the guy that runs bitbet made the bet and he's a scammer!" many lols were had. [04:08]
mircea_popescu yeah well, there's people out there claiming that obama is smart and putin good looking [04:09]
mircea_popescu why shouldn't i have people that claim im a scammer [04:09]
diametric haha [04:10]
steven-__ reddit has been in quality free fall for 4-5 years same goes for hn [04:11]
mircea_popescu i find it hard to believe reddit ever had any qyality to begin with [04:12]
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diametric honestly its just a degradation of the signal to noise ratio that happens in any online community that gains popularity with the masses. [04:12]
mircea_popescu back when digg still existed reddit was where the furies gathered [04:12]
mircea_popescu then conde nast bought it and it became sorta-popular with the majored-in-business crowd i guess [04:12]
diametric mircea_popescu: when is your bitcoin conference? [04:16]
mircea_popescu later april [04:16]
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benkay the furies? [04:17]
mircea_popescu furries [04:18]
benkay ah. [04:19]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/FurryGamesMidwestFurFest2006GreenReaper.jpg [04:19]
mircea_popescu reddit con [04:19]
benkay i was seeing mythical things. [04:19]
steven-__ i wonder if the pants are just to hide the dick holes you know they have [04:19]
diametric i tend not to judge others on harmless stuff, though that shit must be uncomfortable as fuck to wear. [04:21]
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mircea_popescu diametric what's harm to do with anything ? i'd rather take a smoker than someone who watches tv. [04:23]
mircea_popescu others are to be judged on aesthetic criteria [04:23]
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diametric to what end though, i don't really care if people dress up like animals and fuck each other if they want too. I think its weird, but I would not consider myself a better person than they on that alone. [04:27]
mircea_popescu but i mean how do you judge another ? [04:27]
mircea_popescu what they consider beautiful would seem a major consideration [04:28]
asciilifeform i sorta wonder if the animal costumes are an anonymity thing [04:29]
diametric a consideration for what? I mean, sure its something I might factor in if its relevant to the situation, but I wouldn't dismiss someone simple because of that. [04:29]
mircea_popescu really ? [04:29]
diametric I do dismiss people that inflict harm on others, despite whatever else they might have to offer [04:29]
mircea_popescu i can't see how i could take seriously someone with poor taste. [04:29]
mircea_popescu so they inflict harm, what of it. [04:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it may even be a chicken and egg thing. maybe the pedestrian anonimity thing comes from the suits. [04:30]
asciilifeform just the theory, there might be folks who haven't the courage, but different matter when in the wolf suit. [04:31]
mircea_popescu diametric i mean what, you can't be friends with a war veteran ? [04:31]
diametric its a fetish. some people like feet, some people like anal gaping, some people like making scrambled eggs compromised of equal parts chicken eggs and semen. those guys like dressing up like animals and fucking. I think anonymity is incidental [04:31]
asciilifeform (i personally don't know anyone who does this particular thing, so i can only guess) [04:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah it's a lot more diffuse than that. i suspect many of them actually worked in a job that required them to dress as an animal. they do that for parties/disneyland etc. [04:31]
mircea_popescu for whatever reason the thing stuck, because most of these kids are unemployable save for some fantasy enacting [04:31]
asciilifeform never knew a pro clown either, perhaps to my detriment [04:32]
mircea_popescu ("i'm not really a waitress, i'm just on my way to the newsweek stint") [04:32]
diametric mircea_popescu: I see your point, maybe not harm at its basic level. Intent has a lot to do with it. [04:32]
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mircea_popescu the costumes make the fantasy easier. [04:32]
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mircea_popescu diametric is this something you've considered systematically or not really ? [04:32]
diametric nah its not something i spend a lot of time thinking about. [04:32]
mircea_popescu it shows. [04:33]
diametric oh i'm sure. [04:34]
mircea_popescu fwiw i dun think most furries actually do any fucking [04:34]
Mats_cd03 diametric then you will always be vulnerable to those willing to xommit violence [04:34]
mircea_popescu in or out of costume. [04:34]
diametric i spread myself too thin honestly, i have a wide range of interests but never enough time to fully explore them. [04:35]
mircea_popescu i wasn't intimating you're a bad person or anything. [04:35]
diametric I didn't take it as such [04:36]
mircea_popescu i wonder if the d ever gives out furry prons [04:37]
mircea_popescu .d [04:37]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1379 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.1200% in 8d 14h 30m 21s [04:37]
mircea_popescu i mean [04:37]
mircea_popescu .bait [04:37]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majfbxqR791qj6d3fo1_1280.jpg [04:37]
diametric where does .bait get its porn from? [04:37]
Mats_cd03 .bait [04:38]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbqmvg3zz91racc9so1_500.jpg [04:38]
diametric I had always assumed it was some personal collection of pictures. [04:38]
mircea_popescu must be following some tumblr feed but no diea. [04:38]
mircea_popescu the problem with making women go barefoot in town [04:38]
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mircea_popescu that black shit requires a belt sander to get off [04:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.000893 = 1.2502 BTC [+] [04:39]
mircea_popescu neways that's all for me. have fun everyone! [04:40]
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Duffer1 later man [04:47]
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mircea_popescu when did miscreanity become stupid anyway ? [12:11]
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bounce because if it wasn't, it gets bailouts [12:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00088908 = 4.3565 BTC [+] [12:20]
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mircea_popescu wait what ? [12:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hacker news [12:22]
mircea_popescu joecool hacker news [12:22]
mircea_popescu o look, mpoe is trading 88 now ? i guess short sellers got bored or what [12:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Tychoon" ?! [12:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] [12:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00088908 = 10.4022 BTC [+] [12:36]
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BingoBoingo Tychoon, Barron... Things were bound to go wrong when I tried to submit to Slashot completely sober/ [12:41]
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mircea_popescu lol [12:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06909855 = 0.4837 BTC [+] {7} [12:52]
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BingoBoingo Still the name of the game is challenging the editors to catch these things [12:55]
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mircea_popescu why not work with them [12:56]
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BingoBoingo That is an interesting question. [13:11]
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isthisreallyreal Hi guys! :) [13:14]
kakobrekla hi [13:14]
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isthisreallyreal Anyone care to explain what's going on here ? :p Im totally new to this. Haha [13:14]
Curious_George hey there [13:14]
kakobrekla this box is internet relay chat aka irc [13:15]
kakobrekla you type stuff in and other people can see [13:15]
kakobrekla then they can reply back if they wish to do so [13:15]
isthisreallyreal haha, not that basic! I'm just wondering exactly what you're talking about here:) [13:15]
kakobrekla see the topic, follow the links [13:15]
isthisreallyreal A user from bitcointalk refered me here to gain some more experince about bitcoin in generel. [13:16]
kakobrekla well start reading then [13:17]
mircea_popescu isthisreallyreal just read the logs. [13:17]
kakobrekla or you can chop them up and make a nice wooden table [13:18]
isthisreallyreal And also, do you guys know any good marketplace where i can buy and sell with bitcoin? [13:20]
kakobrekla buy and sell what? [13:20]
isthisreallyreal stuff, like phones or anything acutally.. [13:21]
isthisreallyreal I can only find places to BUY bitcoins, not buy WITH them.. [13:22]
kakobrekla overstock for example [13:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57337 @ 0.00089642 = 51.398 BTC [+] {5} [13:24]
isthisreallyreal overstock.com? I can only see that you can buy with regular currencys on that site! [13:24]
kakobrekla yes the implementation is poor [13:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60646667 = 1.8194 BTC [-] {2} [13:25]
kakobrekla but theres a "buy now with bitcoin" button on the bottom of product page [13:25]
isthisreallyreal Sorry to bother..! but where do i find the "log" ?:) [13:25]
kakobrekla the. links. in. the. topic. [13:26]
kakobrekla ;;topic [13:26]
gribble http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [13:26]
isthisreallyreal thanks alot !! [13:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00595003 = 0.3987 BTC [-] {3} [13:27]
isthisreallyreal Do you guys use "bitcoins" regularly? :p Or what you find interesting about it? [13:31]
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isthisreallyreal and btw, have you heard of thecoinbay? [13:33]
kakobrekla whats that [13:33]
mircea_popescu isthisreallyreal you need to stfu and read now, before you go on everyone's ignore. [13:33]
kakobrekla ebay with coins id guess [13:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00089713 = 15.6998 BTC [+] [13:34]
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hdbuck im new too, delighted to finally make it to the high sphere, have read the logs about what happened on the 4th of feb.. still trying to figure it all out. cheers. :) [13:38]
mircea_popescu eenjoy [13:39]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [13:39]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079506 / 0.00087709 / 0.00089713 (838186 shares, 735.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00083456 / 0.00089713 (8310811 shares, 6,935.92 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085545 / 0.0008982 (30408720 shares, 26,013.21 BTC) [13:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0008974 = 12.3841 BTC [+] {2} [13:42]
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BingoBoingo First Newsweek, now Time Magazine http://time.com/25600/watch-a-bunny-throw-a-tantrum-whenever-he-isnt-getting-pet/ [14:18]
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cazalla patting a rabbit with an open palm (as in the video) blocks it's vision which can make it become defensive [14:22]
cazalla i breed NZ whites for meat, some of them would do the exact same thing or even bite if i harassed them as in that video [14:25]
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chetty http://m.trend.az/en/news/politics/2253614.html [15:01]
ozbot Turkish PM to hold consultations with Azerbaijan on Crimea - Trend.Az | Mobile version [15:01]
Mats_cd03 luls nato [15:02]
mircea_popescu this guy said it best : [15:02]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/JamesKerLindsay/status/445543326750879744 [15:02]
ozbot Twitter / JamesKerLindsay: Turkey occupying Cyprus discusses ... [15:02]
Mats_cd03 dinosaurs behaving like the world still belongs to them [15:04]
chetty news flash: pot calls kettle black [15:04]
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wao-ender v0v http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68 [15:09]
mircea_popescu wao-ender large boeings can't fly that way. [15:13]
mircea_popescu in fact, it's unsafe for them to be even within one kilometer of each other. [15:13]
wao-ender yeah, comply with safety rules while hijacking plane. [15:15]
wao-ender I think for upthrust is one km still safe [15:15]
mircea_popescu the problem is mostly the turbulence [15:15]
mircea_popescu if you watch racing, it's like the slickstream [15:16]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, he could stay at a reasonable safe distance while still being close enough to show as 1 spot on the radars imo [15:17]
mircea_popescu in racing however the road is there to keep the cars up, and turbulence only causes a problem at high speeds, because the cars are designed so that the air pushes them on the ground. [15:17]
mircea_popescu there are occasionally accidents where a car follows a leader too close and ends up losing contact with the ground because of the disrupton in airflow [15:17]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic well, you ever watched a radar ? [15:18]
Apocalyptic I did [15:18]
wao-ender also, I'm reading, there was 50 seats blocked for some special cargo on the plane? [15:18]
Apocalyptic not a military one though [15:18]
mircea_popescu so how do you figure two 80 meter long objects a mile apart could appear the same one object [15:18]
mircea_popescu one mile long ? [15:18]
mircea_popescu if they actally thought that they'd have reported the aliens invading o.O [15:19]
Apocalyptic anyway satellite pictures should determine that [15:19]
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mircea_popescu anyway, getting back to the airflow problem : in racing the road keeps the cars up, but in flight planes are kept up by their drag [15:20]
mircea_popescu in order for it to generate enough force to keep all those tons in the air it has to have a certain density and flow pattern [15:20]
mircea_popescu basically if you try to fly a boeing behind another you'll just fall [15:20]
mircea_popescu and you'll probably fall for 100s of feet at a time because of inertia etc. [15:21]
Apocalyptic that i would be more likely to believe [15:21]
mircea_popescu leaving aside how incredibly dangerous it is (engines also need air, may likely stop etc), it's just not possible to smoothy fly that way [15:21]
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wao-ender I think mh370 flying at different altitude [15:21]
mircea_popescu well so then they're visibly distinct [15:21]
mircea_popescu good military radar works in micrometre by now you know [15:22]
wao-ender dunno how they made it, but this conspiracy with sia68 is really interesting [15:22]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, I have no knowledge of a radar indentifying how long an object is or whatever [15:22]
mircea_popescu well interesting it may well be, but it's fiction. [15:22]
Apocalyptic either it reflects the waves or it doesn't [15:22]
wao-ender ye [15:22]
Apocalyptic I suppose you could achieve that with a special setup with multiple coordinated radars [15:23]
mircea_popescu radar is basically video in lower wavelengths, it's not that different. [15:23]
mircea_popescu it can see shape and "color" and everything you can see. [15:23]
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chetty I wonder have radar setups gotten lazy? that is only bothering to look for transponders? [15:26]
mircea_popescu yeah but all of them ? [15:26]
mircea_popescu including military ? it crossed what, > 100 different sites. [15:26]
chetty well then we get to how may military vs civiliand radars along the way [15:27]
Apocalyptic pretty sure military radars don't give a fuck about transponders or not [15:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, wouldn't make much sense to limit themselves to that. [15:28]
wao-ender 'military' hm, how can you know that military doesn't hiding something from public? [15:28]
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mircea_popescu yeah well. [15:31]
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Mats_cd03 we'll find out six years from now that they've been dead all along and were never actually on the island [15:32]
wao-ender > i don't see how they can make that up from shipping 3-4 tons of mangosteens [15:32]
wao-ender > which, to me, suggests there was something either hidden in the mangosteens or the manifest is fraudulent [15:33]
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Mats_cd03 oh wait, wrong plot [15:33]
asciilifeform who has a link (crackpot or otherwise) to the 'fifty reserved seats' thing? [15:33]
wao-ender here we go [15:33]
wao-ender http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/no-hazardous-cargo-just-tonnes-of-mangosteens-on-flight-mh370-says-airlines [15:33]
ozbot No hazardous cargo, just tonnes of mangosteens on flight MH370, says airline CEO - The Malaysian In [15:33]
wao-ender no hazardous cargo. [15:33]
asciilifeform any cargo is hazardous if the fellow with the remote control (usg) would rather that it not reach destination. [15:34]
mircea_popescu wait, mangosteens ?! [15:34]
Apocalyptic what's that ? [15:34]
Mats_cd03 i wonder what a crashed airplane with mangosteens in hold would look like [15:35]
mircea_popescu is this a lowtax plot to troll the world ? [15:35]
wao-ender lol [15:35]
Mats_cd03 i do love me some mangosteen [15:35]
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mircea_popescu plane went down because, "SO DONT FUCKING BUY IT, DONT FUCKING DRINK IT, DONT FUCKING CLICK MY LINKS." [15:36]
wao-ender Studies suggest that higher doses of xanthones may depress the central nervous system in animals and cause sedation. [15:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/9/90/Maddox_irl.jpg btw. [15:39]
mircea_popescu this is what the us army has come to be, btw : those blondish dudes in a buzz cut with glasses. [15:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00089457 = 17.4441 BTC [+] {2} [15:44]
wao-ender lul https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/445534544624488448 [15:46]
mircea_popescu yeah lol [15:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05085001 = 0.2543 BTC [-] [16:01]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's so special about those? [16:17]
asciilifeform they look like ordinary 'office plankton' [16:18]
mircea_popescu yup [16:19]
asciilifeform they're probably 'desk flyers', though [16:20]
asciilifeform grunts who are actually sent out in the field are usually more muscular-looking. [16:21]
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blackwhite morning gents [16:24]
dR3 g'day [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.1499 BTC [+] [16:27]
kakobrekla hello. [16:29]
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bitcoinpete "In manufacturing, technology eliminates and relocates jobs, but welding robots will never design their own cars. It ain’t gonna happen. In finance, jobs on Wall Street and in The City will be eaten up by Bitcoin, but the invention of the distributed blockchain can’t replace creativity and trust. Kurzweil’s singularity be damned." [17:15]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/its-the-people-not-the-protocol-stupid/ [17:15]
ozbot It’s The People, Not The Protocol, Stupid | When Bitcoin Met Pete [17:15]
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blackwhite nice strawman [17:17]
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blackwhite welding robots do not have to design their own cars for cars to be designed automatically [17:18]
asciilifeform people far from engineering would be astounded at how much of every widget is already designed 'automatically,' for any reasonable sense of the word. [17:18]
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blackwhite Even circuit boards are designed by "other circuit boards" [17:19]
asciilifeform e.g. electrical engineering, at today's universities, largely consists of learning to crank CAD and sims like SPICE. [17:19]
asciilifeform very few of the grads know anything but the most surface treatment of why the sim works the way it does [17:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00345674 = 0.1936 BTC [+] {5} [17:23]
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asciilifeform historical note. when CNC machining was new, various business folks had delusions that they could be rid of the need to hire machinists. [17:24]
asciilifeform the result was, apparently, in the words of those living then, 'production of scrap metal at very high speeds.' [17:24]
asciilifeform a master machinist eats very well even today. [17:25]
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asciilifeform even though he will not turn the cranks by hand. [17:26]
chetty http://www.space.com/25078-universe-inflation-gravitational-waves-discovery.html [17:26]
ozbot Major Discovery: 'Smoking Gun' for Universe's Incredible Big Bang Expansion Found | Space.com [17:26]
asciilifeform for some reason i thought that the slow cooling of the 5k background hum was already 'smoking gun.' [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.1499 BTC [+] [17:27]
hdbuck analysts at Citi Group told me he got offered to have his sort of pension fund in BTC?! such pokerface those banks. ^^ [17:27]
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asciilifeform hdbuck: what prevents anyone from having whatever in btc? [17:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00332744 = 0.6655 BTC [-] {7} [17:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.5996 BTC [+] [17:30]
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hdbuck asciilifeform: nothing, just that he confirmed to me that banks have already started to deal with btc behind the curtain [17:33]
asciilifeform i thought this was old news. [17:33]
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Apocalyptic asciilifeform, ? [17:36]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: various hedge funds; and some consumer bank in france, if i recall [17:37]
Apocalyptic interesting, missed that [17:37]
hdbuck in france?! [17:38]
asciilifeform i last heard of it ages ago, might have vanished. [17:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.33749062 BTC to 3`951 shares, 59162 satoshi per share [18:00]
dR3 more pokerface evidence: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/morgan-stanley-to-host-bitcoin-event-2014-03-17 [18:05]
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Apocalyptic "The recent collapse of bitcoin exchange Mr. Gox has caused alarm in the industry about the stability and security of the virtual currency" // they must include that everywhere... [18:06]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [18:07]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 623.71, Best ask: 625.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 623.7, 24 hour volume: 6843.50990414, 24 hour low: 619.46, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 626.355003951 [18:07]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker --markets all [18:08]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make (1 more message) [18:08]
thestringpuller ;;ticker --market all [18:08]
chetty show me the money / err alarm [18:08]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 623.7, vol: 6842.45497403 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 617.0, vol: 3741.72887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 621.61, vol: 4251.82494996 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 635.01, vol: 62.51398694 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 611.454206, vol: 2820.20400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 630.0, vol: 7.87890985 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 636.312876, vol: 52.31340017 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [18:08]
benkay "stability and security" [18:09]
benkay look, there are no exchanges. there's no exchange rate. [18:09]
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benkay look, end-users are responsible for their own security. it's not fucking secure. [18:09]
benkay davout why does bitcoin-central never get press mentions? [18:09]
davout benkay: define 'press mentions' [18:10]
davout coindesk ? [18:10]
benkay what do you take me for?! [18:10]
davout :D [18:10]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete that's EXACTLY where the bad news starts for them. [18:10]
davout we do get some press, but usually it's paymium that's mentioned [18:11]
mircea_popescu they rationalize away "oh but bitcoin will never be smarter than us". sure it won't. then mp comes, and you're beyond fucked. [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2} [18:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> a master machinist eats very well even today. << yes, but he's not in a union is he. [18:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2514 @ 0.00015 = 0.3771 BTC [+] {2} [18:13]
mircea_popescu and o hai guise. [18:13]
mircea_popescu "The controversial owner of MPEx is" o look, i r controversial nao. [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21098 @ 0.00088801 = 18.7352 BTC [+] [18:14]
mircea_popescu so which one of you runs bitcoinx.com ? [18:17]
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mircea_popescu JEFFREY SCOTT OWNBY. Ex BFL VP ?! you gotta be kidding me. [18:18]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoinx is pretty old, i doubt anyone here runs it too [18:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves apparently owned by ex bfl officer ? [18:20]
ThickAsThieves it lives only cuz it comes up high on google searches for bitcoin mining calc [18:20]
mircea_popescu seems to have started jan 2013, then taken a 11 month break to december [18:20]
ThickAsThieves ironically i probly used it to determine i should ask for a refund on my BFL [18:21]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/bitcoinXnews wait, 2012ish by the twitter they link [18:21]
ozbot bitcoinx.com (bitcoinXnews) on Twitter [18:21]
mircea_popescu lol [18:21]
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chetty http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-government-refuses-to-remove-troops-from-crimea-prepares-for-war-339724.html [18:29]
ozbot Ukrainian government refuses to remove troops from Crimea, prepares for war [18:29]
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mircea_popescu what, again ? [18:30]
mircea_popescu didn't they call a general mobilisation nobody showed ? [18:30]
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LordPutin but we won crimea fair and square, they even voted to join us [18:39]
BingoBoingo Oh, this dude is still shitting out non-text https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg5722587#msg5722587 [18:40]
mircea_popescu someone should make an ipo of a totally insane thing and just keep posting wall of text after wall of text of completely rambling, nonsensically, perhaps machine-generated text whenever someone says something [18:41]
mircea_popescu no wait, it's been done to death by hand already. [18:41]
LordPutin ipo bot [18:41]
mircea_popescu botipo [18:42]
mircea_popescu bo.ti.po [18:42]
chetty botipoo [18:42]
LordPutin satoshi spaceship [18:43]
mircea_popescu lol chetty [18:43]
BingoBoingo S.IPO.BOT [18:43]
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artifexd mircea_popescu Your 1 million atc wall on x-bt.com is gone. Eaten up. [18:50]
mircea_popescu coolness. [18:50]
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BingoBoingo Oh, half an hour ago there were still a 300k or so left. [18:52]
thestringpuller stupid ipos [18:52]
thestringpuller AMAZING [18:52]
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ThickAsThieves wow, i didnt know that the owners of about 130,000 properties are without their title deeds in Cyprus [19:02]
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ThickAsThieves some having multiple owners and mortgages [19:03]
mircea_popescu yeah it's a mess [19:03]
mircea_popescu greece is similar, bulgaria less so but also. [19:03]
mircea_popescu very dangerous to buy property in non-torens lands. [19:04]
asciilifeform e.g. usa [19:04]
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ThickAsThieves is there any argument to say they unit of account of Bitcoin is a bitcoin? [19:07]
ThickAsThieves or is it satoshis in all cases? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves and if so, is satoshi a documented name, or just what people say? [19:08]
Dimsler i don't think it matters [19:09]
jurov sometimes mili, micro, nano [19:09]
Dimsler microtransactions of that nature aren't possible [19:09]
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ThickAsThieves my question wasnt whether it matters [19:09]
ThickAsThieves merely if someone asks What is the unit of account in Bitcoin? [19:10]
ThickAsThieves what is the correct answer? [19:10]
Dimsler bitcoin [19:10]
ThickAsThieves i prefer a response from someone i think knows what;s up [19:10]
BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/gym-bro-successfully-gets-fake-feminist-thought-catalog-1545530204 [19:10]
ozbot Gym Bro Successfully Gets Fake Feminist Thought Catalog Essay Published [19:10]
Apocalyptic artifexd, how do you know it was mircea's ? [19:10]
BingoBoingo Trolls trolling trolls getting trolls [19:10]
jurov ThickAsThieves: you want like "official" answer or what? [19:11]
artifexd There is reference to "satoshi" as the base element in the reference client code. All the code uses satoshi as the amount of accounting. [19:11]
BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: It's establishment and purpose were announced [19:11]
Apocalyptic somehow missed that too [19:11]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the satoshi is quite clearly the only unit of account, a "bitcoin" is just a courtesy style. [19:11]
Dimsler satoshi is a denomincation [19:11]
Dimsler unit of account is bitcoin [19:11]
mircea_popescu the satoshi name is not documented, other than through ancient convention [19:11]
Dimsler ThickAsThieves, nobody in here knows whats up [19:11]
mircea_popescu Dimsler no actually exactly backwards [19:11]
Dimsler actually yes that is backwards [19:12]
Dimsler no wait [19:12]
Dimsler it depends on symantics [19:12]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:12]
Dimsler denomiations of bitcoin are just that [19:12]
mircea_popescu lolk [19:12]
ThickAsThieves it depends on malwarebytes mostly [19:12]
Dimsler satoshi as th elowest denomination [19:12]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as bitcoin protocol happily handles half a bitcoin [19:13]
mircea_popescu but can not handle half a satoshi [19:13]
mircea_popescu it should be pretty obvious what the unit of account is. [19:13]
artifexd If you're asking about the code, then the code keeps track of amounts in satoshi. API's accept amounts in satoshi. [19:14]
ThickAsThieves but the protocol does call it a satoshi? [19:14]
ThickAsThieves or does it not call it anything at all [19:14]
Dimsler i dont' think its actually named [19:14]
Dimsler its not called anything at all [19:14]
artifexd It is named in a comment. Variables don't contain the name. [19:14]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves does not call it anything at all. [19:14]
artifexd At least in the reference client. [19:14]
mircea_popescu artifexd has it. [19:14]
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mircea_popescu "Some other questions: 1) how naked would you like the models to be?" [19:30]
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mircea_popescu shit people ask me... [19:30]
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ThickAsThieves on the probabilities of a bitcoin wallet being hacked, can any of you review this short text to tell me if it is generally acceptable? http://dpaste.com/1739894/ [19:36]
ThickAsThieves to me it seems that hacking an addy would be even less probable than how this writer has approached it [19:36]
asciilifeform what's next? probability of nuclear war? [19:37]
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ThickAsThieves just lookin for some insight on bitcoin, i'll leave the wars to the media [19:38]
asciilifeform just asking the question is an abuse of statistics [19:38]
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mircea_popescu "both of these figures are reasonable estimates" [19:38]
mircea_popescu thjey're asspulls. [19:39]
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mircea_popescu can be reasonably considered "absolutely secure" << depends by whom where for what purpose etc. [19:40]
mircea_popescu services to describe at least superficially describe their security policy [19:40]
mircea_popescu too much describe, and also who are you to make recommendations to people running services ? [19:41]
ThickAsThieves absolute is obviously a horrible choice of wording [19:41]
mircea_popescu let's translate it for a moment. [19:41]
ThickAsThieves whwn i share who wrote it, you'll understand why i'm questioning it [19:41]
Apocalyptic is it Amir ? [19:42]
ThickAsThieves there's really only one guess [19:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00014999 = 0.675 BTC [+] {3} [19:42]
ThickAsThieves who is constantly trying to look smart while displaying stupidity? [19:43]
ThickAsThieves other than me [19:43]
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ThickAsThieves :) [19:43]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1739920/ [19:43]
ozbot dpaste: #1739920 [19:43]
mircea_popescu there, that should put it in perspective. [19:44]
mircea_popescu now go make a... what, a wh petition.org ? [19:44]
mircea_popescu talk at a ##conference ? [19:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! [19:44]
mircea_popescu no but srsly. we are reddit, hear us roar already. [19:44]
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ThickAsThieves the text was via vitalik [19:46]
mircea_popescu he's seriously wasting his talents in bitcoin [19:47]
mircea_popescu he should be in /r/wmd [19:47]
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ThickAsThieves or climatechange/ [19:47]
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mircea_popescu no because that is actually intended as a chump party. [19:48]
Apocalyptic don't you know he's busy with ethereum [19:48]
Apocalyptic or whatever it's called [19:48]
mircea_popescu eterheum [19:49]
Apocalyptic "The 19-Year-Old Behind Ethereum, a New Digital Currency, Is Insanely Smart" [19:49]
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mircea_popescu aokthen [19:50]
ThickAsThieves such branding [19:50]
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bitcoinpete o allo [19:51]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: haha beyond beyond. [19:51]
mircea_popescu wasn't ethereum more like a new ripple than a new bitcoin ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu heh i guess they covered it by calling it "digital currency" [19:51]
Apocalyptic that probably best describes it indeed [19:51]
mircea_popescu technically it could be a new ven [19:51]
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ThickAsThieves it's a new mastercoin [19:52]
bitcoinpete ;:eauth bitcoinpete [19:52]
bitcoinpete ;;eauth bitcoinpete [19:52]
gribble Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD [19:52]
mircea_popescu but mastercoin was a new ripple once ripple got its guts ripped out [19:52]
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ThickAsThieves but ripple never asked you to relinquish your bitcoins to use it [19:54]
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bitcoinpete ;;ident bitcoinpete [19:55]
gribble Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. [19:55]
bitcoinpete ;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245 [19:57]
gribble Error: 'freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245' is not a valid http url. [19:57]
benkay if you want to avoid flailing around in public, you can get down with gribble via pm, bitcoinpete [19:58]
Apocalyptic bitcoinpete, try ;;everify [19:58]
bitcoinpete ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245 [19:58]
gribble You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD [19:58]
bitcoinpete benkay: sorry dude [19:58]
benkay sheesh bitcoinpete stop burning my electrons [19:58]
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bitcoinpete benkay: I coulda sworn I went through that rigamarole once before… hopefully this is the last public flailing [20:00]
benkay ;;gpg eauth benkay [20:00]
gribble Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@76-251-110-24.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 [20:00]
benkay ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a38d09183a201e377da24b96a6e0747f0e7fc58b5b0a0f8f24ab10bd [20:01]
gribble You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 [20:01]
benkay worth doing once a day. [20:01]
benkay sometimes in public, sometimes in private. [20:01]
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hdbuck what's with MP's statement on twitter saying there is no such thing as Bitcoin core devs?! *mind blown 2* [20:20]
benkay nobody uses anything post 0.6 [20:22]
benkay everyone calling themselves a core dev has hacked on the cpp hairball that turned into 0.7 and then 0.8 [20:22]
mircea_popescu well for further mind blown, consider there's no bitcoin jesus, either o.O [20:22]
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* mircea_popescu is kinda surprised nobody claimed to be bitcoin santa. [20:23]
hdbuck mircea_popescu: gosh was convinced it was you ^^ [20:23]
mircea_popescu i guess in the end people do suck. [20:23]
mircea_popescu lol [20:23]
mircea_popescu i only bring gifts to chicks that dress properly. [20:23]
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lopp Nobody uses bitcoind > 0.6? Are you saying that http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/ is so underwhelming because it's only counting nodes >= 0.7? [20:24]
bitcoinyeezus lopp: who knows [20:27]
bitcoinyeezus lopp: do you run your node constantly? [20:27]
lopp i do [20:27]
bitcoinyeezus does everyone? [20:27]
lopp only the really nerdy / early bitcoiners from my experience bother running full nodes [20:28]
bitcoinyeezus well then who can know what the whelmingness of that thinger implies abouty reality anyways? [20:28]
* midnightmagic twitches uncontrollably at mention of "bitcoin jesus" down in the Caribbean complaining about how slow it is to open a bank account as a recent import from the US [20:28]
bitcoinyeezus kinda messy questionspace. [20:29]
midnightmagic apparently two days to wait to renounce US citizenship was too much for him, cause "they're after me." wtf. [20:29]
mircea_popescu lopp well "nobody" more in the sense of bitcoin owned [20:29]
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artifexd loop: At the bottom of that page " Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.7.x/), so nodes with older protocol version will be skipped." [20:30]
bitcoinyeezus (just 'cause it has Satoshi in the client string doesn't mean shit about the authors) [20:30]
lopp right, it's relatively underwhelming because it used to report > 100,000 nodes [20:30]
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lopp as yeezus noted, we don't really know enough to say whether or not these numbers should be underwhelming. I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough insight into the load that the nodes are bearing. [20:32]
bitcoinyeezus mircea_popescu only knows that by volume owned statistic because he's actually the owner of the 'satoshi hoard'. [20:33]
lopp that is, how much more volume of requests could the average node be handling before it is straining its computational / bandwidth resources [20:33]
bitcoinyeezus load? [20:33]
bitcoinyeezus what does load have to do with anything? [20:33]
midnightmagic there is virtually no load. i run an experimental node that deals with a few dozen transactions a day on an eeepc 701 just for fun. [20:33]
mircea_popescu yeah the load isn't really significant [20:34]
mircea_popescu it's more in terms of security, due to various graph splitting attacks that coudl conceivably be deployed [20:34]
mircea_popescu also, stockings : http://25.media.tumblr.com/26688fdcb329d5627f6072b48d62e7ea/tumblr_mr0x17YcGH1rgq9hdo1_1280.jpg [20:36]
bitcoinyeezus we must all be talking past one another today. [20:36]
lopp gotcha - I keep hearing that it's trivial but I guess I'd prefer to see actual numbers regarding, say, how many SPV client requests the average node is handling / how many historical block and tx lookups it's handling, how many invalid txs it's deciding not to relay, etc [20:36]
bitcoinyeezus lopp: sit down and figure it out. write it up, post it somewhere. contribute to bitcoin nollij. [20:36]
lopp that's the direction I seem to be headed :-) [20:36]
bitcoinyeezus real dearth of people doing stuff in btc. [20:36]
midnightmagic a bunch of us are trying to connect via non-internet connections to at least measure any attempt at chosen-cut/isolation attacks. [20:37]
bitcoinyeezus my ass just got hammered with work as well [20:37]
bitcoinyeezus have you heard of such attacks happening, midnightmagic? [20:37]
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midnightmagic bitcoinyeezus: I have heard of them. I have never personally witnessed one happening. [20:38]
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mircea_popescu i've never seen proof of one happening either. [20:38]
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midnightmagic ^^ probably running more-connected nodes than I am. [20:39]
mircea_popescu the theoretical possibility still exists, in a variety of very difficult to model variants [20:41]
mircea_popescu this'd eminently be one of those asciilifeform "parachute first pls" cases [20:41]
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asciilifeform didn't somebody just bring up 'leased lines' as a kind of pill against net splits? [20:42]
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diametric probably [20:43]
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asciilifeform as i gather, you'd want to covertly connect two nodes (in 'distant') parts of graph with leased line [20:44]
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midnightmagic There is a really neat paper that asserts that if you know "enough" about the edges of a connected graph network and measure the messages, you can map most messages sources. [20:44]
midnightmagic where "enough" is smaller than I ever expected it to be [20:44]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic the tor stuff ? [20:44]
midnightmagic and "measurement" is just.. like a few nodes. [20:45]
asciilifeform old news. [20:45]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: No I'm trying to find the link now, it's a really weird little paper that nobody I mention it to has heard of. [20:45]
midnightmagic asciilifeform: local meshnet, POTS, satellite, moon, and ham frequencies. [20:47]
asciilifeform even 'truck loaded with tapes' if low latency is not a critical requirement. [20:47]
asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/culture-offsets << the loltron continues to chug [20:48]
ozbot As Female GitHub Coder Claims Harassment, Silicon Valley Stands At Crossroads | Wired Business | Wir [20:48]
Apocalyptic carrier pigeons even [20:48]
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mircea_popescu silicon valley stands at a crossroad indeed. one way, despair and utter hopelessness [20:53]
mircea_popescu on the other, total extinction [20:53]
mircea_popescu i pray they have the wisdom to choose correctly. [20:53]
benkay what happened to manners? [20:53]
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mircea_popescu "A software engineer named Julie Ann Horvath sent shock waves across Silicon Valley over the weekend" = "nobody gave a shit, so we'll just keep yakking about it" [20:53]
mircea_popescu too much press, too little olive oil. [20:53]
asciilifeform i read the first turd, and my puny brain was utterly unable to determine wtf the deal was. [20:54]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/ [21:01]
ozbot Hey, stupid women ? We need to talk. Smart women don’t want to be with you anymore. pe Trilema - U [21:01]
mircea_popescu this, basically. [21:01]
asciilifeform yeah i read this even, but i still don't 'get' it. what does the woman want? [21:02]
asciilifeform 'hush money' ? [21:02]
mircea_popescu she wants attention. [21:02]
mircea_popescu and to be told that she's important, and valuable, and remarkable and all the rest of the shit women her age want [21:03]
mircea_popescu except since she's incapable of fidning a boyfriend, she would like obamacare to pay for it. [21:03]
mircea_popescu and obamacare does pay for it, because what else is govbernment for [21:03]
mircea_popescu if not to make people happy. [21:03]
asciilifeform aha, the 'Professionally Sad' [21:03]
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mircea_popescu just... the social media generation. [21:08]
mircea_popescu notice how nowhere is it mentioned what the fuck the woman actually did at any point. [21:09]
mircea_popescu an entire generation of these, ballas spent some time discussing the zuckerberg woman [21:09]
asciilifeform probably something like 'untergruppenführer' [21:09]
mircea_popescu they're not as much professionally sad as professionally useless [21:09]
mircea_popescu i wish some of those "business leaders" or w/e they are actually came forward to plainly state that they don't care, they'll never care, and the peons can get back to the mine. [21:10]
asciilifeform afaik, these folks aren't in it for the money - if the 'doxxing' is to be believed, leah for instance is loaded [21:10]
mircea_popescu obviously this isn't liable to happen in any venue that's doomed. [21:11]
mircea_popescu which is how i conclude silicon valley ain't got much more life left in it. [21:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hoiw's she loaded ? she just has rich friends. [21:11]
mircea_popescu her constant welfare is dependant strictly on those folks continuing to like her. [21:11]
asciilifeform i recall she had lands/estates or something? [21:12]
mircea_popescu she owed on a 175k mortgage. that ? [21:14]
asciilifeform hm right [21:14]
asciilifeform living on borrowed money, then, nm [21:14]
wao-ender duck and cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiB7ny52-xw [21:14]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mmrwmeqj1qin4ceo1_500.jpg << this chick's more loaded. [21:14]
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mircea_popescu http://organofcorti.blogspot.ro/2014/03/181-who-owns-1htm4tysxf5yzklpco6mtuunfs.html#!/2014/03/181-who-owns-1htm4tysxf5yzklpco6mtuunfs.html [21:30]
ozbot Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 18.1 Who owns 1HTM4TYSXF5yZKLpco6MTUUNfSBCiiwGsU ? [21:30]
mircea_popescu this guy is doing a lot of plant art. [21:30]
mircea_popescu "Every post from MPOE-PR I read gives me physical pain" [21:31]
mircea_popescu bwahaha she wins. [21:31]
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asciilifeform there seems to be a 'garlic/vampire' dynamic with mpoepr. [21:32]
mircea_popescu how;s that ? [21:35]
asciilifeform the only folks who have a been with the woman seem to be obvious malefactors [21:35]
asciilifeform *beef [21:35]
mircea_popescu a that. yeah. [21:35]
mircea_popescu i was thinking more along the lines of, hey dear pentagon, if you're looking to start a research project into how to give people physical pain over the wire... i got the only documented case of this happening working for me. [21:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you recall, i found you in the first place because of a letter from mpoepr. she was never anything other than impeccably polite to me. [21:36]
mircea_popescu she's a well brought up young lady, what. [21:37]
mircea_popescu she's polite to me too. [21:37]
mircea_popescu probably they're mostly incensed because she knows too many words. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu "women in tech", but only for just as long as a) they're stupid and b) they don't ever do anything let alone make calls. [21:38]
mircea_popescu gotta keep them bitches in their place, you know. [21:38]
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midnightmagic I think this is the paper here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.0354 [21:48]
midnightmagic "Identifying Infection Sources and Regions in Large Networks" [21:48]
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ThickAsThieves The latest version ofthe LMB Holdings (Neo & Bee, Easycoin, Neo Xchange) prospectus has been posted at https://www.lmb-holdings.com [22:16]
ThickAsThieves The document is currently accessible using Google Docs at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khGADbJeu0efCNZ13lnz8BucG7PfS5Cl9lBZ1sncY-4/ [22:16]
ThickAsThieves Please note that an updated link to a PDF version will be posted at lmb-holdings.com soon. [22:16]
ThickAsThieves Also, additional updated information will be provided later this week. [22:16]
benkay i think you mean in two weeks [22:17]
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Apocalyptic soon-ish [22:18]
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benkay okay i have found a use for the alts [22:28]
benkay training wheels [22:28]
benkay from the local bitcoin room: "omg i broke my doge-wallet" [22:28]
benkay "good thing it's just doge, and not bit." [22:28]
benkay "ya i guess you're right el oh el oh el" [22:28]
asciilifeform benkay: i thought that's what btc 'testnet' was for. [22:28]
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benkay one would, would one not? [22:29]
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benkay alert readers these are not, tho. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu benkay kinda the idea all along [22:49]
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ThickAsThieves Nate Silver's prediction site: http://fivethirtyeight.com/ [23:01]
ThickAsThieves http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/march-madness-predictions/ [23:01]
ozbot FiveThirtyEight | FiveThirtyEight’s NCAA Tournament Predictions [23:01]
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ThickAsThieves maybe some BitBets are in order [23:02]
mircea_popescu if nate silver, whoever he is, gets some sctatch together [23:03]
ThickAsThieves "We may have gone from conceiving of government as an entity that builds roads, dams and airports, provides shared services like schooling, policing and national parks, and wages wars, into the world’s largest insurance broker." [23:06]
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mircea_popescu soo, BingoBoingo bitcoinpete jborkl and generally ppl doing blogs : ima be doing a little bit of sec wikileaking in a few hours. [23:27]
mircea_popescu it;s going to consist of raw material, you can comment whichever way so get your pencils ready. [23:27]
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steven-__ http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20nequ/leah_mcgrath_goodman_i_have_learned_this_about/ [23:30]
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Mats_cd03 nate silver is well known as a statistician [23:31]
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steven-__ he used to post on 2+2 and had a blog raitng the best burritos in his city [23:32]
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steven-__ http://burritobracket.blogspot.com/ [23:32]
ozbot The Burrito Bracket [23:32]
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benkay mircea_popescu: released on trilema? [23:49]
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mircea_popescu yea [23:56]
mircea_popescu steven-__ that's like rather old #suckstobeleah posturing neh ? [23:57]
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