Forum logs for 16 Apr 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform | i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare. | [00:00] |
paulo_ | I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot | [00:00] |
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asciilifeform | (rabbit is a common garden pest here) | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform only one way to find out. | [00:01] |
Anduck | !up chairman_meow | [00:01] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing. | [00:01] |
Anduck | :) | [00:01] |
jborkl | ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything, | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out. | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell | [00:01] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/urbanrabbitsdc.htm | [00:02] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe not? | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | *coop | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | what's this, leningrad ? | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | gringograd | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town. | [00:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2} | [00:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC | [00:03] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m s.mpoe | [00:04] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC) | [00:04] |
Apocalyptic | mircea, why would they do that ? | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild? | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | i just bought it | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | neato | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level. | [00:05] |
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mircea_popescu | some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e. | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mission-yuppie-eradication-project.jpg | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ? | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck already. | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?! | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | aye. | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd. | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega : | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: Still got your Malibu? | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day? | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: What? | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: Fucking keyed it. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: What a fucker! | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Lance: You don't do it. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | Vincent: It's just against the rules. | [00:07] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2} | [00:08] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3} | [00:10] |
Naphex | its true :) | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they? | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back? | [00:13] |
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mircea_popescu | nobody has any trouble hiring anyone. | [00:14] |
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mircea_popescu | if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed. | [00:14] |
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mircea_popescu | they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs | [00:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4} | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium | [00:15] |
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bounce | don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | paging herr naggum! | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | 'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with. accepting something you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that people were acting against their own best (or even good) int | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | erests for a long time. I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.' | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html | [00:17] |
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Apocalyptic | [00:18] | |
mircea_popescu | bounce in a civilise country, yes. | [00:19] |
bounce | hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun. | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out. | [00:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+] | [00:20] |
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asciilifeform | in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can. | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892 | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation. | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile in some other equally arid land | [00:21] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform pretty much, yes. | [00:21] |
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asciilifeform | incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc. | [00:24] |
nubbins` | BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;( | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | "The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project." | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | ahem. | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used. | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | this is more or less an open secret here. | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ? | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | 5bn seems kinda skimpy. | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | i;d have asked for more. | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero. | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | more like it. | [00:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6} | [00:27] |
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Naphex | gn all o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se33Fv_sEEA | [00:34] |
Naphex | !down | [00:34] |
assbot | Need a nickname, Naphex. | [00:34] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg6235784#msg6235784 | [00:36] |
nubbins` | lel | [00:36] |
nubbins` | DrGreg-PR | [00:36] |
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asciilifeform | http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men. | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | *brennan | [00:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2} | [00:42] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | why is he not @lubyanka then | [00:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12} | [00:54] |
asciilifeform | mega-lol: | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052 | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like. | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | "This provocative and unprofessional Russian action" | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it | [00:59] |
benkay | what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery? | [00:59] |
benkay | context/peer behavior expectations | [00:59] |
benkay | assuming peers etc | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | “The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said. | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder. | [00:59] |
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mircea_popescu | i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey. | [01:00] |
mircea_popescu | what do i know. | [01:00] |
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benkay | or the impending chinese drone swarms | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.bitundo.com/ | [01:01] |
pankkake | nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins) | [01:02] |
ThickAsThieves | this schedule web design is horrible | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | http://bitcoin2014.com/ | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | pastels | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | and annoying View More buttons | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp. | [01:03] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy? | [01:04] |
ThickAsThieves | Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event! | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | so basically... this is a pool to doublespend. | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | who made it, gmaxwell ? | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | dunno who made it | [01:05] |
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ThickAsThieves | its got mentions on yc | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | fwiw... | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh. | [01:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.coinlab.com/ | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | nice website | [01:06] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist | [01:07] |
ThickAsThieves | Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iAj7-W_lk | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | lol ok ok. | [01:08] |
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ThickAsThieves | 400 friggin euros for this conference | [01:08] |
ThickAsThieves | fukn scammors | [01:08] |
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mircea_popescu | which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ? | [01:09] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [01:09] |
Apocalyptic | haha | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | chairman_meow tsk. | [01:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-] | [01:09] |
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mircea_popescu | guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | !up samantix | [01:10] |
assbot | Voicing samantix for 30 minutes. | [01:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3} | [01:10] |
Apocalyptic | mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay. | [01:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-] | [01:11] |
samantix | thanks mircea_popescu | [01:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-] | [01:12] |
Apocalyptic | mircea, or reddit in another terms | [01:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-] | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | well cool. | [01:14] |
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mike_c | i think this bet was resolved incorrectly. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ | [01:20] |
mike_c | because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400. | [01:20] |
mike_c | scam site is scam. | [01:21] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Lol | [01:22] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00 | [01:22] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers | [01:23] |
mike_c | bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders. | [01:23] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | I'm most definitely not a TA junkie | [01:24] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Or "Chartist" as my brother call them | [01:25] |
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artifexd | It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting. | [01:34] |
benkay | artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com | [01:35] |
pankkake | you can http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add | [01:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+] | [01:35] |
benkay | ;;ticker | [01:35] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 | [01:35] |
artifexd | Most sweet | [01:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+] | [01:36] |
mike_c | is there a time decay on bash points? | [01:37] |
benkay | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zvzl | [01:37] |
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mike_c | i miss vexual :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30 | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | ;;seen vexual | [01:41] |
gribble | vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: |
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benkay | mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81 | [01:41] |
mike_c | yeah, just read that one too. another classic. | [01:42] |
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benkay | http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=94 << danielpbarron you too buddy | [01:42] |
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benkay | mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30 | [01:43] |
benkay | now i miss vexual too | [01:43] |
TestingUnoDosTre | We just did #30.... | [01:43] |
benkay | but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit | [01:43] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Minersdidit. Oh my gosh | [01:44] |
benkay | NO WE DIDN'T GOSH | [01:44] |
mike_c | minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed. | [01:44] |
benkay | that's not why minersdidit was fantastic | [01:45] |
benkay | people round here don't appreciate quality trolling | [01:45] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Was he trolling though? Still not sure | [01:45] |
Apocalyptic | that's the thing about great trolls | [01:46] |
Apocalyptic | you are never sure | [01:46] |
benkay | unless you've met 'em before. | [01:46] |
artifexd | ;;gettrust assbot Vexual | [01:46] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never | [01:46] |
TestingUnoDosTre | So was vexual a troll or just funny? | [01:47] |
pankkake | ;;rate Vexual 1 | [01:48] |
gribble | Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. | [01:48] |
pankkake | :( | [01:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2} | [01:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+] | [01:50] |
BingoBoingo | !up samantix | [01:52] |
artifexd | Vexual, get in the wot already | [01:52] |
assbot | Voicing samantix for 30 minutes. | [01:52] |
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BingoBoingo | ;ticker | [01:53] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [01:53] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 | [01:53] |
benkay | samantix: what's happening? | [01:54] |
BingoBoingo | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/truecrypt-audit-finds-no-evidence-of-backdoors-or-malicious-code/ | [01:54] |
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dexX7 | is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932 | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c wait wut | [01:55] |
mike_c | hm? | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot vexual | [01:56] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never | [01:56] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Huh? | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | but no! SCAM COMPLAINT | [01:56] |
joecool | ;;gettrust mircea_popescu | [01:57] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 | [01:57] |
mike_c | of course the owners of the site would say that. | [01:57] |
pankkake | BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous | [01:57] |
mike_c | i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure! | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell keonne |
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gribble | The operation succeeded. | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets | [01:58] |
mike_c | you mean this month? | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | in my lyf! | [01:58] |
mike_c | this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :) | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?! | [02:00] |
TestingUnoDosTre | What does float a btc mean | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c options ain't bets :D | [02:00] |
Apocalyptic | they are only if you don't hedge them | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen cory | [02:00] |
gribble | cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: |
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joecool | mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | i believe it hehe | [02:02] |
joecool | ;;gpg info joecool | [02:02] |
gribble | User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool . | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh | [02:03] |
pankkake | http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89 oh, it's THAT guy | [02:03] |
joecool | yeah i think that was my first wot rating | [02:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2} | [02:03] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Hahaha are you fcking serious | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [02:05] |
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mircea_popescu | !up frank1e | [02:07] |
assbot | Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes. | [02:07] |
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mircea_popescu | !up BigBitz | [02:08] |
assbot | Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes. | [02:08] |
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BigBitz | thanks mircea_popescu :) | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | yw | [02:08] |
asciilifeform | https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu | [02:08] |
joecool | ;;rated BigBitz | [02:08] |
gribble | You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD. | [02:08] |
asciilifeform | anyone else get something bizarre? | [02:08] |
BigBitz | joecool <3 | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | did i get defaced ? | [02:08] |
asciilifeform | ssl weirdness | [02:09] |
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asciilifeform | load specifically 'https' | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | ya ? | [02:09] |
asciilifeform | i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia' | [02:09] |
Apocalyptic | asciilifeform, huh | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha what | [02:09] |
joecool | mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald | [02:09] |
Apocalyptic | i just loaded https | [02:09] |
Apocalyptic | no certificate | [02:09] |
joecool | not defaced | [02:09] |
TestingUnoDosTre | It loaded fine for me | [02:10] |
BigBitz | You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice. | [02:10] |
Apocalyptic | *no wikipedia certificate | [02:10] |
BigBitz | I get the Twitter cert. | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA) | [02:10] |
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pankkake | I get a cert change, but still twatter http://i.imgur.com/2pK8Pmb.png | [02:10] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack? | [02:10] |
* | asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy | [02:10] |
Apocalyptic | 83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43 | [02:10] |
Apocalyptic | 3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92 | [02:10] |
Apocalyptic | issued by Verisign class 3 | [02:10] |
BingoBoingo | OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform | [02:10] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted | [02:11] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Indeed. | [02:11] |
BigBitz | neckbeards ftw. | [02:11] |
asciilifeform | these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead. | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | i think you have no representation of costs. | [02:12] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform pix ? | [02:12] |
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mircea_popescu | also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ? | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | other q's. | [02:13] |
asciilifeform | lol - it's gone away. | [02:13] |
asciilifeform | perhaps browser bug | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, right. this happens. | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | next time screenshot | [02:14] |
asciilifeform | promise. | [02:14] |
thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [02:14] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924'] | [02:14] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408'] | [02:14] |
thestringpuller | that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it... | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | yep he did. | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | sadly he's on maternity leave. | [02:15] |
pankkake | I was going to link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/https-everywhere-decentralized-ssl-observatory which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever) | [02:16] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Someone give me a quick lesson in stats | [02:17] |
TestingUnoDosTre | If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? | [02:18] |
thestringpuller | he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast... | [02:18] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [02:20] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 | [02:20] |
ThickAsThieves | was like 340 2 days ago? | [02:21] |
ThickAsThieves | i <3 btc | [02:21] |
joecool | sale's over | [02:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm uncertain about that | [02:23] |
BingoBoingo | http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531/1563579181/+Tom_Ley | [02:23] |
ThickAsThieves | not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price | [02:23] |
ThickAsThieves | traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling | [02:23] |
thestringpuller | http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in | [02:23] |
thestringpuller | i want to see a kansas city style upset | [02:24] |
ThickAsThieves | seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want! | [02:24] |
kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre no its random. | [02:24] |
thestringpuller | or to detect your price | [02:24] |
BingoBoingo | Inb4 BTC $25 by July | [02:25] |
thestringpuller | good way to base insurance prices | [02:25] |
ThickAsThieves | $25, no way | [02:25] |
ThickAsThieves | small chance we could test $300 tho | [02:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+] | [02:26] |
thestringpuller | wow. phenomenal... | [02:26] |
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benkay | bitbet ate the options market. | [02:28] |
thestringpuller | ^^^ | [02:30] |
ThickAsThieves | there it is! | [02:30] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Bitbet is the options market now | [02:30] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [02:30] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 | [02:30] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Uruguay baby | [02:31] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Yyyyyah | [02:31] |
thestringpuller | i wonder how many late leeches got jacked | [02:31] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I didn't this time: ) | [02:31] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing | [02:32] |
thestringpuller | why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg? | [02:32] |
TestingUnoDosTre | And zoidberg? | [02:34] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month | [02:36] |
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nubbins` | http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg | [02:37] |
nubbins` | i fucking love my job | [02:37] |
BingoBoingo | nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon? | [02:37] |
nubbins` | i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot | [02:37] |
nubbins` | somebody with a soldering iron up their ass? | [02:38] |
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thestringpuller | is that screen printed? | [02:38] |
nubbins` | yep | [02:38] |
nubbins` | 3-color print on red kraft paper | [02:38] |
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BingoBoingo | nubbins`: I think people were leaning towards this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png | [02:39] |
nubbins` | that's the -assets mascot? :/ | [02:40] |
nubbins` | i mean, nice stand, but... | [02:40] |
BingoBoingo | Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oNlxSX0P--/19cgaod16qt14jpg.jpg | [02:40] |
mike_c | i can't unsee that. | [02:41] |
nubbins` | :( | [02:42] |
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thestringpuller | speaking of | [02:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;tslb | [02:46] |
gribble | Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds | [02:46] |
thestringpuller | not_bad.jpg | [02:46] |
mike_c | ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced. | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | you just add nonce anyway | [02:48] |
mike_c | right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance | [02:48] |
thestringpuller | mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash... | [02:48] |
pankkake | is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was? | [02:48] |
mike_c | thestringpuller: that is a good point. | [02:49] |
ThickAsThieves | of course it's more likely | [02:49] |
mike_c | unless what thestringpuller said. | [02:50] |
ThickAsThieves | it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right? | [02:50] |
ThickAsThieves | so there. | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves notrly lol | [02:50] |
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mircea_popescu | http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303887804579504023630058640-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj | [02:52] |
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mircea_popescu | we were just talkin'... | [02:52] |
ThickAsThieves | china be manipulatin! | [02:54] |
ThickAsThieves | maniputin | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSLoPdCQAAKJLA.jpg | [02:54] |
ThickAsThieves | manililliputian | [02:55] |
pankkake | pos? | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio. | [02:56] |
Apocalyptic | pankkake, proof of stake I assume | [02:57] |
pankkake | then I don't really get it | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | proof of stake | [02:57] |
pankkake | I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff | [02:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3} | [02:57] |
TestingUnoDosTre | wan't that already posted? | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | shit it was | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | my bad | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/university-calls-white-campus-population-failure-a/ | [02:59] |
Apocalyptic | "Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears" | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | seeing* | [02:59] |
mircea_popescu | “In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post | [02:59] |
Apocalyptic | is this any news ? | [02:59] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D | [02:59] |
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mircea_popescu | "Their mascot is the Viking." | [03:01] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Skol white people! | [03:01] |
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mircea_popescu | http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters. | [03:13] |
TestingUnoDosTre | where do you find these people? | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | irk? | [03:14] |
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BingoBoingo | Classic | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion" | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes" | [03:16] |
pankkake | it's annoyingly boring | [03:16] |
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Apocalyptic | "Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique" | [03:17] |
BingoBoingo | I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership. | [03:17] |
Apocalyptic | just wow | [03:17] |
Apocalyptic | reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy | [03:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7} | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire | [03:18] |
BingoBoingo | It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented | [03:19] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | billy mays with tits and botulin | [03:20] |
mike_c | she's a regular on shark tank | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | "Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales." | [03:20] |
pankkake | 4real? | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | yep | [03:21] |
pankkake | I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but… | [03:21] |
pankkake | this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously | [03:21] |
mod6 | haha, true | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters. | [03:22] |
mod6 | + 1 picture | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly. | [03:22] |
TestingUnoDosTre | ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank | [03:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6} | [03:23] |
mod6 | twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ? | [03:23] |
Apocalyptic | mod6, really ? | [03:23] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it! | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo. | [03:23] |
mod6 | lol | [03:23] |
mod6 | someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight" | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | right in the pink eye! | [03:24] |
mod6 | :D | [03:24] |
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mod6 | holy hashrate | [03:28] |
mod6 | ;;stats | [03:28] |
gribble | I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. | [03:28] |
mod6 | ;;bc,stats | [03:28] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273 | [03:28] |
TestingUnoDosTre | gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | is oz dead ? | [03:29] |
dub | the wizard? | [03:30] |
benkay | passion? | [03:31] |
benkay | only passion is passion for cashin' | [03:31] |
BingoBoingo | The Wizard of .bait | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | i liked it for .d | [03:33] |
mike_c | kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked |
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mircea_popescu | benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c i liked title too. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [03:35] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954 | [03:35] |
TestingUnoDosTre | .d | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528 | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | not even close to 520. | [03:37] |
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mircea_popescu | wtf is going on here ;/ | [03:37] |
mike_c | remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data? | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | i do. | [03:38] |
mike_c | hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data? | [03:39] |
Apocalyptic | well bitcoincharts is wrong | [03:39] |
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mike_c | http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv | [03:39] |
Apocalyptic | isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ? | [03:39] |
mike_c | seems like data stopped some hours ago | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it | [03:39] |
benkay | off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight... | [03:39] |
Apocalyptic | [03:40] | |
benkay | the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | benkay we can't afford smartphones | [03:41] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago | [03:44] |
TestingUnoDosTre | for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data | [03:45] |
BingoBoingo | Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | "Please log in to access this feature." | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps i'll pass. | [03:45] |
BingoBoingo | Eh or dun use javascript | [03:46] |
BingoBoingo | No need to tor | [03:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5} | [03:47] |
BingoBoingo | Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor. | [03:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [03:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+] | [03:48] |
TestingUnoDosTre | quite hilarious | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | "Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon. | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later. | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | after wallowing in the 400s for weeks. | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out. | [03:49] |
TestingUnoDosTre | and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner" | [03:49] |
TestingUnoDosTre | pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ? | [03:49] |
TestingUnoDosTre | soon it will be comrade | [03:50] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm | [03:50] |
BingoBoingo | Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz | [03:51] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/ | [03:51] |
TestingUnoDosTre | did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something? | [03:52] |
TestingUnoDosTre | how do you find this shit | [03:52] |
mircea_popescu | apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you. | [03:53] |
BingoBoingo | TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | soo, google ad on bitstamp query : | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+ | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click | [03:55] |
TestingUnoDosTre | i got a 404 | [03:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3} | [04:22] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore" | [04:28] |
TestingUnoDosTre | and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180 | [04:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
BingoBoingo | http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479 | [04:37] |
ThickAsThieves | hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp? | [04:37] |
ThickAsThieves | you own her? | [04:38] |
ThickAsThieves | her three words basically read: I'm horny. | [04:38] |
nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html | [04:39] |
nubbins` | actually fucking awesome | [04:39] |
ThickAsThieves | first bj on a stamp is two men | [04:40] |
ThickAsThieves | funny stuff | [04:40] |
ThickAsThieves | i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps | [04:40] |
nubbins` | heh | [04:40] |
Apocalyptic | apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps | [04:41] |
nubbins` | state or city | [04:41] |
Apocalyptic | city | [04:41] |
nubbins` | not bad | [04:41] |
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ThickAsThieves | that seems hard to believe | [04:42] |
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asciilifeform | 'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."' | [04:43] |
nubbins` | someone in payroll, no doubt | [04:44] |
asciilifeform | there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy | [04:45] |
BingoBoingo | Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf | [04:45] |
asciilifeform | russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.) | [04:45] |
asciilifeform | let's see what the american number is. | [04:45] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | in other lulz, | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states | [04:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3} | [04:47] |
dub | grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter | [04:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3} | [04:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-] | [04:48] |
asciilifeform | soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers. | [04:48] |
asciilifeform | didn't make a lick of difference. | [04:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5} | [04:49] |
dub | how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships | [04:49] |
dub | my guess: 0 times | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | point, if i understood, was to keep it 0. | [04:50] |
BingoBoingo | dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots | [04:50] |
dub | #bitcoin-teaparty | [04:54] |
BingoBoingo | Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions | [04:57] |
asciilifeform | where does 'good collapse' live? | [04:58] |
asciilifeform | did i miss something? | [04:58] |
BingoBoingo | Well, USSR vs. Somalia | [04:59] |
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BingoBoingo | This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise. | [05:01] |
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asciilifeform | plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse. | [05:02] |
BingoBoingo | Sure, just less than in bad collapse | [05:03] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her. | [05:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-] | [05:09] |
nubbins` | so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole | [05:10] |
nubbins` | paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate | [05:10] |
mike_c | you should use better paper | [05:10] |
nubbins` | no i shouldn't | [05:10] |
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asciilifeform | worse ink? | [05:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} | [05:10] |
nubbins` | heh! | [05:10] |
nubbins` | better locations, obv | [05:10] |
TestingUnoDosTre | what did the poster read | [05:10] |
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nubbins` | http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9 | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message. | [05:11] |
nubbins` | oo, fun. red ink on red paper | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade. | [05:12] |
nubbins` | for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5 | [05:12] |
nubbins` | not bad | [05:12] |
nubbins` | guerrilla advertising is best advertising | [05:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Is pink eye a bar or something? | [05:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | nvm - I see ship pub | [05:13] |
nubbins` | it's my printing company | [05:13] |
TestingUnoDosTre | ooo | [05:13] |
TestingUnoDosTre | what do you print them with? | [05:13] |
nubbins` | silkscreen on kraft paper | [05:13] |
nubbins` | we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles. | [05:15] |
TestingUnoDosTre | science be damned, that's an interesting process | [05:15] |
nubbins` | very old | [05:16] |
nubbins` | chinese were doing it 1000 years ago | [05:17] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century | [05:17] |
TestingUnoDosTre | don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press. | [05:20] |
asciilifeform | (for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.) | [05:20] |
nubbins` | lovely! | [05:21] |
nubbins` | if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered | [05:21] |
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mircea_popescu | samizdat fo sho | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | !up Lee- | [05:25] |
assbot | Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes. | [05:25] |
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mircea_popescu | !up frz78 | [05:25] |
assbot | Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes. | [05:25] |
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asciilifeform | kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped. | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | as well as maths, physics people. | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | (plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too) | [05:26] |
Lee- | nifty | [05:26] |
TestingUnoDosTre | asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened? | [05:28] |
asciilifeform | TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book | [05:28] |
asciilifeform | that one could climb and dig (literally) down in | [05:28] |
asciilifeform | most of the good stuff was picked off | [05:28] |
TestingUnoDosTre | ahhh | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [05:29] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782 | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | i found my first book on 'forth' there | [05:29] |
TestingUnoDosTre | forth? | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | forth. | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | ;;google forth | [05:29] |
gribble | Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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asciilifeform | !up TomServo | [05:29] |
assbot | Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes. | [05:29] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom. | [05:29] |
TomServo | Hello all! | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | hello TomServo | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them. | [05:30] |
TomServo | I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot? | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists" | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | yet the newspaper died, as did the book. | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | TomServo actually it's not done at all. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list | [05:31] |
asciilifeform | complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not. | [05:32] |
TomServo | Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice? | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot TomServo | [05:32] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you | [05:33] |
midnightmagic | mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio | [05:33] |
asciilifeform | is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list? | [05:35] |
BingoBoingo | TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do? | [05:35] |
TestingUnoDosTre | if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform prolly not yet. | [05:35] |
asciilifeform | other than mr. whizz | [05:35] |
TestingUnoDosTre | just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate | [05:35] |
TomServo | BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche. | [05:36] |
BingoBoingo | Ah | [05:36] |
asciilifeform | TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ? | [05:37] |
BingoBoingo | !up TomServo | [05:37] |
assbot | Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes. | [05:37] |
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mircea_popescu | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg | [05:37] |
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TomServo | asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here. | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | (yes, that'd donald rumsfeld) | [05:39] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: lol! | [05:39] |
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asciilifeform | next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings' | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | tis true, he's been here forever. aite. | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate TomServo 1 New blood. | [05:39] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded. | [05:39] |
mike_c | amen donald. | [05:40] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld | [05:42] |
TestingUnoDosTre | just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions | [05:42] |
TomServo | mircea_popescu: cheers | [05:43] |
joecool | not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual? | [05:44] |
TestingUnoDosTre | that's a really good question | [05:45] |
asciilifeform | individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance' | [05:45] |
mike_c | the individual is responsible. | [05:45] |
joecool | mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | joecool pretty much, yes. | [05:45] |
joecool | i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | for the same sum | [05:46] |
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mike_c | what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties.. | [05:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+] | [05:48] |
joecool | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago | [05:49] |
joecool | accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all | [05:49] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen | [05:51] |
joecool | sry couldn't find another source | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people. | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | 10 here, 15 there, etc. | [05:52] |
joecool | well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | sure | [05:53] |
joecool | the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | the owner is still responsible tho. | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich. | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | -er/ | [05:55] |
joecool | for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | joecool depends really. | [05:55] |
joecool | i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file | [05:56] |
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mircea_popescu | kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability | [05:56] |
joecool | hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages | [05:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+] | [05:57] |
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joecool | there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation | [05:58] |
joecool | current accountants will handle it | [05:58] |
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mircea_popescu | !up bloctoc | [06:10] |
assbot | Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes. | [06:10] |
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bloctoc | I don't know what that means | [06:11] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;gettrust assbot bloctoc | [06:12] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013 | [06:12] |
BingoBoingo | bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up | [06:12] |
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bloctoc | do I get a prize or something? | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | well you can speak if you do | [06:13] |
BingoBoingo | bloctoc: You get voice? | [06:13] |
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BingoBoingo | !up the20year1 | [06:24] |
assbot | Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes. | [06:24] |
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the20year1 | yay | [06:24] |
the20year1 | spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it | [06:25] |
BingoBoingo | It indeed takes time the first time | [06:25] |
the20year1 | gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing | [06:25] |
BingoBoingo | I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [06:26] |
the20year1 | does that work for original registration? | [06:26] |
the20year1 | That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register | [06:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-] | [06:32] |
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Apocalyptic | the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ? | [06:35] |
Apocalyptic | yes you have to auth the first time | [06:35] |
Apocalyptic | *reg | [06:35] |
the20year1 | yeah , i did | [06:36] |
Apocalyptic |
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bloctoc | seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy | [06:37] |
BingoBoingo | bloctoc: Well, it is more drama | [06:37] |
BingoBoingo | Drama !up Bitcoin !up | [06:37] |
Apocalyptic | I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea | [06:38] |
mike_c | (and kakobrekla) | [06:38] |
Apocalyptic | indeed, he did the hard work | [06:38] |
the20year1 | on home laptop, not office pc | [06:40] |
bloctoc | whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize. | [06:40] |
Apocalyptic | woot, dat NMC price | [06:40] |
Apocalyptic | haven't seen the last pump | [06:41] |
bloctoc | does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services. | [06:42] |
bloctoc | for the record I don't know what secular means in this context. | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | bloctoc bashed :D | [06:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-] | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise | [06:45] |
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Apocalyptic | that's how it works in business | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | indeed | [06:46] |
Apocalyptic | managers get the credit | [06:46] |
mike_c | plus hard work is its own reward | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | nighty all. | [06:50] |
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-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [14:42] |
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mircea_popescu | hey how the hell is rithm voiced! scam! | [14:43] |
pankkake | John K back again | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | 4th time ? | [14:44] |
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mircea_popescu | okay so just in case... anyone got a current contact for weev ? | [14:46] |
dub | visit him in jail with a message stowed in your anus | [14:48] |
fluffypony | he's out of jail atm? | [14:49] |
dub | oh, then write it on a hotdog and throw it up the hallway that was his ass | [14:51] |
mircea_popescu | dub scamconviction got vacated yo | [14:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05250221 = 0.105 BTC [-] | [14:55] |
fluffypony | http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303663604579504691512965308-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj | [14:56] |
ozbot | Mt. Gox Files for Liquidation - WSJ.com | [14:56] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.cso.com.au/article/534795/_pgp_encryption_has_had_stay-powering_does_it_meet_today_enterprise_demands_/ | [14:59] |
ozbot | 'PGP' encryption has had stay-powering but does it meet today's enterprise demands? - CSO | The Reso | [14:59] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform ^ :D | [14:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 173 @ 0.00511054 = 0.8841 BTC [-] {6} | [15:21] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000242 BTC [-] | [15:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51000148 = 1.53 BTC [-] {3} | [15:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02862602 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {6} | [15:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05391665 = 0.3235 BTC [+] {5} | [15:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-] | [15:36] |
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pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/inside-offshore-vault-gold-trades-bitcoin/ | [15:48] |
pankkake | didn't even know BullionRock existed | [15:49] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake earlier this small island in the channel said it won't impose regulations | [15:50] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people. | [15:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0660001 = 0.528 BTC [-] {2} | [15:54] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.066 = 1.782 BTC [-] | [15:56] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Assembly is such a wise ass. Its like yah dude I know the deal, I'm in here eryday | [16:06] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Assbot* | [16:07] |
fluffypony | assbot is amazing! | [16:07] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [16:07] |
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pankkake | http://blog.oleganza.com/post/82878104033/bitundo-can-destroy-instant-0-confirmation-transactions | [16:19] |
ozbot | Oleg Andreev - BitUndo can destroy instant 0-confirmation transactions | [16:19] |
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thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [16:21] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1599 @ 0.00097149', '15602 @ 0.00096589', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '9100 @ 0.00095903', '1000 @ 0.00095001'] | [16:21] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['23988 @ 0.00097649', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '3846 @ 0.0009779', '19450 @ 0.00097963', '24900 @ 0.00098016'] | [16:21] |
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numerisTrade | hello | [16:28] |
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fluffypony | numerisTrade: ¡ola! | [16:46] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: pgp article << what kind of dope do i need to smoke for this one to make sense ?? | [16:46] |
numerisTrade | yes, fluffypony? | [16:46] |
fluffypony | numerisTrade: just saying hello :) | [16:47] |
fluffypony | asciilifeform: managementthink | [16:47] |
numerisTrade | ¡ola!, fluffypony :) | [16:48] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: weev article << 'TRO LLC (yes, the troll corporation), based in generating actionable financial intelligence from the computer underground. The primary strategy will be short equities' << poor sod, sits in usa, waits for nailgun. | [16:52] |
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nubbins` | "does PGP public-key encryption still meet today's enterprise demands, given the rise of cloud computing and mobile?" | [16:53] |
nubbins` | "does encryption still make sense, now that we're looser than ever with our sensitive data?" | [16:53] |
asciilifeform | meet today's enterprise demands << only ROT-13 can possibly meet demands! | [16:53] |
nubbins` | too complicated, can't we just share all this stuff on the network drive? | [16:54] |
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nubbins` | !up davout | [16:58] |
assbot | Voicing davout for 30 minutes. | [16:58] |
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nubbins` | !up Kushedout | [16:58] |
assbot | Voicing Kushedout for 30 minutes. | [16:58] |
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nubbins` | !up numerisTrade | [16:58] |
assbot | Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit. | [16:58] |
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nubbins` | !up MobGod | [16:58] |
assbot | Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes. | [16:58] |
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nubbins` | !up dr3 | [16:58] |
assbot | Voicing dr3 for 30 minutes. | [16:58] |
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nubbins` | !up smidge | [16:59] |
assbot | Voicing smidge for 30 minutes. | [16:59] |
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nubbins` | !up zoinky | [16:59] |
assbot | Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes. | [16:59] |
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davout | nubbins`: wanna light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings? | [16:59] |
nubbins` | only if they're thin and green | [16:59] |
nubbins` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iels3GLw-zs | [17:00] |
ozbot | Leonard Cohen-one of us cannot be wrong (original) - YouTube | [17:00] |
zoinky | 30 minutes wooo | [17:00] |
dR3 | wooo | [17:01] |
nubbins` | for that matter: | [17:01] |
nubbins` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtyvobvrIM | [17:01] |
ozbot | Lagwagon Let's Talk About Feelings (full album) - YouTube | [17:01] |
dR3 | merci | [17:01] |
nubbins` | hmm, Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit? | [17:02] |
nubbins` | ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade | [17:02] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014 | [17:02] |
nubbins` | ah, look at that | [17:02] |
numerisTrade | I was wondering why are you voicing me. I mean, that's kind of you, but... | [17:04] |
nubbins` | ...unnecessary? :D | [17:04] |
nubbins` | i just upped everyone who's joined since i did ;( | [17:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00097149 = 1.5534 BTC [-] | [17:05] |
numerisTrade | :) | [17:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.05399999 = 0.918 BTC [+] {4} | [17:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18384 @ 0.00097133 = 17.8569 BTC [-] | [17:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80741 @ 0.00096747 = 78.1145 BTC [-] {2} | [17:50] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | I'm just beginning to read the mathew n Wright forum. Anyone want to give me a summary of the ending first? | [18:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.0075 = 0.36 BTC [+] | [18:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.00013991 = 0.2728 BTC [-] {10} | [18:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4305 @ 0.0001162 = 0.5002 BTC [-] {7} | [18:17] |
jurov | ..lived happily ever after. | [18:19] |
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bounce | ... the butler did it | [18:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52984286 BTC [+] | [18:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52990032 = 1.0598 BTC [+] {2} | [18:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00554509 = 0.2495 BTC [-] | [18:49] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Thanks guys... | [18:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00554489 = 0.1608 BTC [-] | [18:50] |
Duffer1 | sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened | [18:50] |
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TomServo | He didn't pay, if I recall correctly | [18:55] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC | [18:57] |
TomServo | !up mjr_ | [18:57] |
assbot | Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes. | [18:57] |
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* | rithm is wiggling his ass to https://soundcloud.com/gramatik/02-gramatik-torture-feat | [18:57] |
rithm | did i break your chats with mursiks | [18:57] |
TomServo | TestingUnoDosTre: 9 September 2012 Matthew Neal Wright (mentioned above) had been offering interested parties bets on whether the Bitcoin Savings and Trust will fail or not. Numerous people took the bet, MNW failed to pay out when the collapse of that Ponzi scheme became fact. Consequently scammertagged in the forum. | [19:00] |
TomServo | http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ was the source for that | [19:00] |
ozbot | The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [19:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0075 = 0.675 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share | [19:00] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | So he didn't pay it all out, or he did pay some? | [19:02] |
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TomServo | I don't believe he paid at all | [19:03] |
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rithm | MNW paid some people privately | [19:11] |
rithm | and others not at all | [19:11] |
rithm | i used to think he paid no one but I've since learned differently | [19:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Not sure if best or worst scam in entire history of bitcoin... | [19:12] |
rithm | why he still hangs around though i dunno he's juvenile | [19:12] |
rithm | sortof like micon | [19:12] |
rithm | foum is full of them | [19:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Doesn't look like he has a scammer tag any more | [19:12] |
rithm | does a scammer tag on the forum have nay relevance at all? | [19:13] |
rithm | i mean what does it mean? | [19:13] |
rithm | is theymos a scammer? | [19:13] |
rithm | sorry, i mean thermos, he goes by thermos now | [19:13] |
* | rithm is just curious what the actual real world consequences of a bitcointalk.org scammer tag are | [19:14] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I believe they stopped using them officially | [19:15] |
TestingUnoDosTre | But some obvious people are still tagged- ie nefario, pirateat40 | [19:16] |
rithm | yes, and now there is some half assed trust system | [19:16] |
rithm | which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum | [19:16] |
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rithm | unless you start gpg signing pm's and posts | [19:17] |
rithm | https://coinstax.com/product-detail/6/ | [19:17] |
ozbot | CoinStax – 1 oz. Perth Mint Gold Bars (25 count Box) | [19:17] |
rithm | but this though | [19:17] |
rithm | ;;calc 33678.50/[tlast] | [19:18] |
gribble | 65.3951456311 | [19:18] |
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benkay | ;;gettrust mjr | [19:19] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never | [19:19] |
benkay | ;;gettrust mjr_ | [19:19] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never | [19:19] |
benkay | mjr_: you're not in the wot!? | [19:20] |
benkay | ;;rate TomServo 1 #bitcoin-assets +v | [19:20] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded. | [19:20] |
benkay | ;;gettrust phf | [19:20] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014 | [19:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.02987944 = 0.5378 BTC [+] {2} | [19:20] |
pankkake | ;;gettrust assbot theymos | [19:23] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010 | [19:23] |
BingoBoingo | ;;gettrust numerisTrade | [19:26] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014 | [19:26] |
* | assbot removes voice from mjr_ | [19:27] |
BingoBoingo | ;;gettrust assbot mjr | [19:27] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never | [19:27] |
BingoBoingo | !up mjr_ | [19:28] |
assbot | Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes. | [19:28] |
* | assbot gives voice to mjr_ | [19:28] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mjr_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mjr_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 | [19:28] |
pankkake | ;;gpg info Josh_Rossi | [19:29] |
gribble | User 'Josh_Rossi', with keyid C286BB96FE9B6CD3, fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX, registered on Sat Mar 9 18:38:35 2013, last authed on Sat May 11 08:47:37 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Josh_Rossi . Currently not authenticated. | [19:29] |
jurov | ôôident mjr_ | [19:30] |
jurov | ;;ident mjr_ | [19:30] |
gribble | Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified. | [19:30] |
gribble | The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ | [19:31] |
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gribble | Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command. | [19:31] |
gribble | Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified. | [19:32] |
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artifexd | You can do all that in a pm channel with gribble. | [19:32] |
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artifexd | It would prevent flailing about in public. ;) | [19:32] |
bounce | a choice of auth, eauth, bcauth | [19:32] |
benkay | artifexd: you're no fun! | [19:34] |
benkay | eauth Josh_Rossi | [19:35] |
benkay | [19:35] | |
benkay | everify |
[19:35] |
benkay | ;;gettrust phf | [19:36] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014 | [19:36] |
gribble | Error: "idet" is not a valid command. | [19:43] |
gribble | CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX | [19:43] |
artifexd | ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi | [19:43] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: never | [19:43] |
davout | ;;rate mjr_ 1 nice guy | [19:44] |
gribble | Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. | [19:44] |
davout | ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 nice guy | [19:44] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded. | [19:44] |
davout | here you go | [19:44] |
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artifexd | ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi | [19:44] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014 | [19:44] |
artifexd | There ya go. | [19:45] |
artifexd | Now if your nick matches your wot, you can pm assbot and !up yourself. | [19:45] |
benkay | ;;gettrust mjr | [19:45] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never | [19:45] |
benkay | ;;gettrust mjr_ | [19:45] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never | [19:45] |
benkay | ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi | [19:45] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014 | [19:45] |
* | mjr_ is now known as Josh_Rossi | [19:46] |
Josh_Rossi | does that make the warning go away? | [19:46] |
Josh_Rossi | ;;ident | [19:46] |
gribble | Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX | [19:46] |
benkay | ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 | [19:46] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded. | [19:46] |
Josh_Rossi | i'm not even sure if i still have that btc address... | [19:46] |
Josh_Rossi | ;;rate davout 1 | [19:48] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded. | [19:48] |
Josh_Rossi | ;;rate benkay 1 | [19:48] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. | [19:48] |
* | Josh_Rossi is now known as mjr1 | [19:48] |
* | mjr1 is now known as mjr_ | [19:49] |
benkay | thanks, boss | [19:49] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Hey i need to speak with a bitbet mod | [19:53] |
jurov | ;;rate mjr_ 1 satoshi square | [19:53] |
gribble | Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. | [19:53] |
jurov | ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 satoshi square | [19:54] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded. | [19:54] |
bounce | donald rumsfeld complaining the tax code is too complex. what'd he try and do about it when he had the chance? | [19:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53180969 BTC [+] | [19:56] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 323 @ 0.14 = 45.22 BTC | [19:58] |
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kakobrekla | hmmm | [20:02] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | I just got robbed on a bet close to the timeline | [20:02] |
kakobrekla | this aint right. | [20:02] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I had a bet submitted with 1 confirmation before event occured, and they're trying to refund me | [20:04] |
kakobrekla | who? | [20:05] |
TestingUnoDosTre | What do you mean who? | [20:06] |
benkay | ;;rate phf 2 lisper | [20:06] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user phf has been recorded. | [20:06] |
pankkake | https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776/photo/1 | [20:06] |
kakobrekla | wtf is with the log. | [20:06] |
TestingUnoDosTre | What's wrong | [20:07] |
kakobrekla | i dont know seems fine no | [20:08] |
kakobrekla | w | [20:08] |
kakobrekla | its prolly me. | [20:08] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Alright kako- do you know people in charge or bitbet? | [20:10] |
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kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre i might | [20:11] |
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kakobrekla | you got a few months of lag? | [20:11] |
Duffer1 | hehe | [20:11] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I submitted a bet that had 1 confirmation prior to bitstamp going to 525and they're trying to refund | [20:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Price still coulda tanked | [20:12] |
Duffer1 | you're getting a refund? | [20:12] |
kakobrekla | is the timestamp of your bet on bitbet after the event or before? | [20:12] |
TestingUnoDosTre | I can double check, but I'm pretty sure before | [20:13] |
kakobrekla | well check then | [20:13] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Double check | [20:14] |
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BingoBoingo | .d | [20:23] |
ozbot | 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 177 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1257% in 1d 1h 34m 48s | [20:23] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Yes. Crossed over at 23:29. Bet time on bitbet 23:20 | [20:24] |
TestingUnoDosTre | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2zig1-minzczsg2014-04-15zeg2014-04-16ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv | [20:24] |
kakobrekla | ;;later tell mircea_popescu complaint ^^ | [20:25] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:25] |
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kakobrekla | fixd | [20:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC | [20:27] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | They're gonna pay everybody though. Says resolved! | [20:31] |
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bitcoinpete | benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D | [20:32] |
bitcoinpete | http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/ | [20:33] |
ozbot | Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | When Bitcoin Met Pete | [20:33] |
kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre was it paid already? | [20:34] |
kakobrekla | oh and btw, since im the first, greetings from Romania. | [20:35] |
TestingUnoDosTre | They just paid it... | [20:37] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Like literally just after I told you | [20:37] |
kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre, wait for mp to return | [20:38] |
kakobrekla | ;;seen mircea_popescu | [20:38] |
gribble | mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: |
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TestingUnoDosTre | My apologies... gotta settle down a little | [20:39] |
fluffypony | bitcoinpete: so when are they launching their decentralised iOS exchange? | [20:39] |
fluffypony | :-P | [20:39] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Do they have an email, or how do I contact? | [20:39] |
bitcoinpete | fluffypony: lol it's sitll in "pre-alpha" | [20:40] |
bitcoinpete | still* | [20:40] |
fluffypony | I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares | [20:40] |
bitcoinpete | kakobrekla: have fun at the conference! i hope to make it next year | [20:40] |
kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre, here is a hint : http://mpex.co/ | [20:40] |
kakobrekla | eh | [20:40] |
kakobrekla | i meant http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET | [20:41] |
kakobrekla | thanks bitcoinpete, already having fun. | [20:41] |
Apocalyptic | kakobrekla, you're the first that arrived ? | [20:41] |
fluffypony | I should actually write a Dogecoin-denominated trading site and only allow companies that are clearly a joke | [20:42] |
fluffypony | I'll call it DogecoinBourse | [20:42] |
kakobrekla | Apocalyptic yes, noone will be here till tomorrow | [20:42] |
TomServo | How many are supposed to attend this year? | [20:42] |
kakobrekla | no clue | [20:42] |
bitcoinpete | kakobrekla: drink a few ursus' and eat a few mititei for us. it's a deadly combo | [20:42] |
kakobrekla | at least 2 | [20:42] |
Apocalyptic | jurov and asciilifeform are attending i think | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | heh, you want to kill my stomach ? :) | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | right now im in the hotel bar, sipping a double jack. | [20:44] |
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TomServo | very nice. | [20:44] |
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kakobrekla | lol. | [20:45] |
kakobrekla | has this been a regular occurance? | [20:45] |
TomServo | Not that I've noticed. | [20:47] |
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TestingUnoDosTre | Kako, you're the owner of bbet? | [20:52] |
TomServo | heh | [20:52] |
kakobrekla | TestingUnoDosTre halfassed. | [20:52] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Help a brotha out. I'm making my living off your website | [20:52] |
kakobrekla | :o | [20:52] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Running on thin margins | [20:52] |
kakobrekla | anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP | [20:53] |
kakobrekla | wait for him to return | [20:53] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Complaints to the billionaire,? | [20:55] |
kakobrekla | ofc. | [20:56] |
thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [21:00] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101', '3000 @ 0.00081'] | [21:00] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963'] | [21:00] |
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bitcoinpete | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/16/mtgox_requests_liquidation/ | [21:02] |
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bitcoinpete | the register has been reading -assets. ^borkt | [21:03] |
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fluffypony | lol | [21:04] |
fluffypony | I used to love TheRegister when it was this slightly obscure British publication that was the only way of following the BOFH saga | [21:05] |
wywialm | hi all | [21:05] |
pankkake | oh I loved BOFH! | [21:06] |
fluffypony | pankkake: the newer stuff got boring | [21:06] |
fluffypony | but like pre-2005 BOFH is still golden | [21:07] |
Naphex | evening | [21:07] |
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fluffypony | pankkake: most recent episode - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/21/bofh_2014_episode_3/ | [21:09] |
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bounce | stopped reading that years ago. the old stuff was good, though. | [21:09] |
bounce | bofh used to be on whatwasit networkworld? only came to el reg later | [21:10] |
fluffypony | bounce: yeah, went to El Reg for its "revival" | [21:11] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Why do you think they've been reading assets? Found no quotes UN artcke? | [21:11] |
TestingUnoDosTre | In article. Fucking auto correct | [21:11] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/15/this-reader-mocked-heartbleed-by-posting-his-passwords-online-youll-never-guess-what-happened-next/ | [21:11] |
ozbot | This reader mocked Heartbleed, posted his passwords online. Guess what happened next. | [21:11] |
wywialm | bitcoinpete, some time ago i tried to discuss your deflation artice with you, do you have a while? | [21:12] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: shoot. what's on your mind? | [21:12] |
wywialm | do you believe there may be bad deflation? or good inflation? | [21:13] |
bounce | that pdf waffles like the fat frenchman wrote it | [21:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06690987 = 0.1338 BTC [+] | [21:13] |
fluffypony | BingoBoingo: "hacked" by some obscure definition of hacked we weren't previously privy to | [21:13] |
BingoBoingo | Sure | [21:14] |
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bitcoinpete | wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." | [21:15] |
TestingUnoDosTre | For the record, bitcoin is inflating at a rapidly decreasing, defined rate | [21:16] |
bitcoinpete | no doubt that a lot of people will be screwed out of pensions and other lofty promises, also little doubt that faux egalitarianism will fall by the wayside | [21:17] |
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bitcoinpete | TestingUnoDosTre: totally. it's the first deterministically scarce asset with a decreasing inflation rate | [21:17] |
bitcoinpete | it's really fiat that's collapsing unpredictably into bitcoin | [21:18] |
wywialm | ok, to be precise: do you believe there are circumstances in which deflation would do unnecessary harm to the economy, its net effects being negative? | [21:19] |
wywialm | in the same way we could call some forms of governments net negative on the economy | [21:20] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Not with a truly fungible asset | [21:20] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: i see the nets being positive | [21:21] |
wywialm | to be even more precise, by inflation i mean rising *price level*, not plain money growth | [21:21] |
bitcoinpete | and the harm as being entirely necessary | [21:21] |
Apocalyptic | wywialm, you're using the perverted meaning of inflation I see | [21:22] |
bitcoinpete | right, the price of goods and services is decreasing despite the monetary base increasing | [21:22] |
wywialm | clearly that's the message of your article, bitcoinpete. I'm asking whether it is "always and everywhere" | [21:22] |
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wywialm | Apocalyptic, no, it's a standard definition, contrary to late Mises and Rothbard, and avoids much confusion | [21:23] |
bitcoinpete | wy | [21:24] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: history would seem to say so. we'll see whether it rhymes this time 'round | [21:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 350 @ 0.14 = 49 BTC | [21:25] |
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wywialm | to be even more clear, i generally agree with you that under normal conditions of rising productivity, moderate deflation is very desirable | [21:26] |
bitcoinpete | bitcoin and gold are checks on tyrannical mobs | [21:26] |
mod6 | (10:01) <+pankkake> oh I loved BOFH! << me too, the old ones are best imho. | [21:27] |
wywialm | sure, but that's fiscal effect of both. i try to focus on monetary effects | [21:27] |
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bitcoinpete | wywialm: monetary effects don't exist in isolation. nothing does. and least of all in economics | [21:28] |
Apocalyptic | wywialm, not really, the standard definition is the increase of the money supply, or monetary base | [21:28] |
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bitcoinpete | we can't say that increasing x is desirable because it correlates to increased y without considering the social and political impacts | [21:29] |
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benkay | bitcoinpete: "whatever is is right" to quote another poet. | [21:29] |
wywialm | bitcoinpete, we try to abstract from them now. Without this tool no economic analysis would be possible | [21:30] |
benkay | ;;gettrust wywialm | [21:30] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask wywialm!~wywialm@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user benkay to user wywialm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=wywialm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wywialm | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 11:18:52 2014 | [21:30] |
benkay | good bad who cares bitcoin is here to kick the ass of anyone who wants to diddle the number of currency units around | [21:31] |
kakobrekla | bad is good | [21:31] |
bitcoinpete | benkay yup, pretty much. it's skill-gettin' time | [21:31] |
wywialm | Apocalyptic, when did this term get 'perverted' and why would it be an argument against defining it that way? | [21:32] |
wywialm | benkay :) | [21:33] |
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numerisTrade | bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well? | [21:36] |
wywialm | good point | [21:37] |
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bitcoinpete | numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money | [21:45] |
numerisTrade | ok | [21:46] |
numerisTrade | wait, bitcoin is not money only in current legal sense | [21:48] |
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jurov | https://lobste.rs/s/3utipo/openbsd_has_started_a_massive_strip-down_and_cleanup_of_openssl | [21:48] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Gunna subconsciously call bitcoins Picasso's now every time I check my portfolio | [21:48] |
ozbot | OpenBSD has started a massive strip-down and cleanup of OpenSSL | Lobsters | [21:48] |
jurov | "they’re incinerating compatibility with upstream with a plasma torch" lol | [21:48] |
wywialm | well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything | [21:49] |
bitcoinpete | numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets | [21:50] |
bitcoinpete | TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D | [21:50] |
numerisTrade | and bitcoins will reach a point when they will be decreasing, due to losses and so on | [21:50] |
jurov | i guess eiteher they will be mined or some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon | [21:52] |
jurov | unlike picassos, here it is possible | [21:52] |
wywialm | bitcoinpete, legalistically, yes, but property and land could be money in economic terms | [21:53] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: so can a barrel of oil. so can a chicken. so... | [21:54] |
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bitcoinpete | jurov: good point, hadn't thought of that. oh the wonders of software | [21:54] |
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thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [21:55] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101'] | [21:55] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963'] | [21:55] |
wywialm | so we could analyse economic impact of bitcoin being money, either now or some time later | [21:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0668 = 0.1336 BTC [-] | [21:56] |
Apocalyptic | some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon // unlikely | [21:56] |
Apocalyptic | and I hope it doesn't happen | [21:56] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Agreed | [21:56] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Double agree | [21:56] |
jurov | Apocalyptic: why not? | [21:57] |
jurov | it would be just a simple rule that miner can take 5 million blocks old unspent output(s). | [21:57] |
pankkake | it's a slippery slope | [21:58] |
jurov | and there will be muich bigger changes necessary much sooner than 100 years, you really think SHA-256 will resist so long? | [21:58] |
TestingUnoDosTre | There will be, an adequate replacement in 100 years | [22:00] |
TestingUnoDosTre | And its not like bitcoin owners won't be able to transfer value to said systems | [22:00] |
TestingUnoDosTre | A la shitcoins, but better | [22:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC | [22:01] |
jurov | In fact I think having shorter delay, like 5 years would force criminals to spend, benefitting everyone | [22:01] |
Apocalyptic | ... what nonsense is this | [22:01] |
Apocalyptic | jurov, really the criminal argument coming from you ? | [22:02] |
pankkake | bitcoin could work with md4. the goal is to brute force it, so it doesn't matter how broken it is | [22:02] |
jurov | what's so shocking? | [22:02] |
asciilifeform | ;;google satcoin | [22:02] |
gribble | SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: |
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Apocalyptic | SHA-256 will resist so long? // even if a full 1 block colision is found, it won't affect mining | [22:02] |
wywialm | jurov, do you believe spending of criminals will benefit the economy?:) | [22:03] |
asciilifeform | nah, only the money of saints benefits economy | [22:03] |
asciilifeform | lol | [22:03] |
Apocalyptic | must be | [22:03] |
wywialm | i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases? | [22:04] |
jurov | i think it's more about stability of money supply | [22:05] |
jurov | can you imagine someone hoarding and after 10 years throwing in few millions btc | [22:05] |
wywialm | so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss? | [22:05] |
wywialm | (under certain conditions, not always, etc. of course) | [22:06] |
pankkake | that person can hoard by moving the coins for free | [22:06] |
pankkake | though miners would then be incentivized to REFUSE transactions | [22:06] |
jurov | pankkake: but then everyon knows they are not lost | [22:06] |
Apocalyptic | who cares | [22:06] |
jurov | currently everyone can only guess | [22:06] |
pankkake | no, you're not spending that output, because I want to grab it! | [22:06] |
jurov | pankkake: market will solve that nicely. miners will take the txfee now instead of waiting for expiration | [22:07] |
benkay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA | [22:07] |
ozbot | Computer simulations teaching themselves to walk - Bizarre - YouTube | [22:07] |
asciilifeform | better: | [22:09] |
asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgG_VSP7f8 | [22:09] |
ozbot | Karl Sims - Evolved Virtual Creatures, Evolution Simulation, 1994 - YouTube | [22:09] |
wywialm | bitcoinpete, let's follow jurov and imagine that somehow demand for money/bitcoin sharply increases. Would it be harmful to general trade conditions? That is, would it generate a recession? If not, why? | [22:12] |
wywialm | probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders | [22:13] |
wywialm | let's focus just on abstract 'money' | [22:13] |
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jurov | what is meant by "demand for bitcoin increases"? | [22:13] |
wywialm | demand for money, no bitcoin :) flight from assets to cash. | [22:14] |
wywialm | e.g. major 'risk-off' | [22:14] |
wywialm | hoarding | [22:15] |
wywialm | etc. | [22:15] |
jurov | popping of reality/stock bubble as usual? | [22:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26946 @ 0.00095914 = 25.845 BTC [-] | [22:15] |
wywialm | not necessarily - after such 'pop' there are usually calls that there was a bubble, but not every falling asset was a bubble previously | [22:16] |
benkay | wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter. | [22:16] |
benkay | note that everything on mpex is btc-denominated. | [22:16] |
benkay | one can even buy hosting denominated in btc | [22:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00096466 = 6.9137 BTC [+] | [22:17] |
thestringpuller | $epth | [22:18] |
thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [22:18] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15174 @ 0.00095914', '75 @ 0.00095266', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501'] | [22:18] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['1292 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963'] | [22:18] |
wywialm | sure, but i didn't want to enter this branch of discussion | [22:18] |
benkay | in assets brach enters you! | [22:18] |
thestringpuller | benkay: you missing shit | [22:19] |
thestringpuller | get a bouncer :P | [22:19] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: from personal experience, when the price is going parabolic, there's little incentive to spend bitcoin when the good or service will be cheaper tomorrow and the need isn't dire | [22:20] |
bitcoinpete | so under such conditions, the economy is filtered for value | [22:21] |
wywialm | agreed, but this effect can be really harmful in a much more developed economy, with credit, net of contracts, many competitors on a single markets | [22:21] |
TestingUnoDosTre | You just have to structure a debt contract with half a brain | [22:23] |
wywialm | and then it is not only filtered for value, trade just goes down incredibly - we could go on claiming everything is fine, but then unemployed resources appear en masse | [22:23] |
benkay | it will be interesting to see it play out, but nobody knows how it is actually going to play out. | [22:24] |
TestingUnoDosTre | And thus we hoard | [22:24] |
wywialm | it definitely will | [22:24] |
benkay | wywialm: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move. | [22:24] |
benkay | bitcoin will bring a rigor to business unseen for centuries. | [22:25] |
wywialm | TestingUnoDosTre, like what? indexing to something else? | [22:25] |
benkay | wywialm: what's the root of your nick? | [22:25] |
wywialm | benkay, or not | [22:25] |
wywialm | that's my surname | [22:26] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Or partially indexing. | [22:26] |
benkay | how does one pronounce it? | [22:26] |
wywialm | Vyhvial, or actually, Vyhviaw :) if you insist i could provide fonetic notation | [22:27] |
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wywialm | M is first letter of my name | [22:27] |
wywialm | TestingUnoDosTre, but that's changing the unit of account :) | [22:27] |
benkay | wywialm: what part of the world is that from? | [22:27] |
wywialm | Poland | [22:28] |
TestingUnoDosTre | Creditors may also want to shed some risk | [22:29] |
TestingUnoDosTre | For example if they own a large amount of btc and want to protect against a big short term drop in value | [22:30] |
wywialm | benkay, re: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move | [22:30] |
wywialm | there are exceptions to this, grouped under the tag of 'price rigidity', which has many origins and which i'll try to sum up briefly | [22:31] |
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wywialm | (generally, if there were no price rigidity, sharp deflation would be no problem, I believe) | [22:33] |
bitcoinpete | price rigidity is just another form of tversky and khaneman's anchoring and adjusting | [22:33] |
wywialm | no, not necessarily, it is beyond psychology | [22:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 908 @ 0.00011918 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2} | [22:34] |
wywialm | first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting | [22:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00096466 = 1.2463 BTC [+] | [22:37] |
wywialm | second, there are long term contracts negotiated in terms of monetary unit of account | [22:37] |
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benkay | so the world changes out from underneath you sometimes. one tries to plan and account for these things. sometimes the irresistable force is just completely irresistable. | [22:39] |
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wywialm | and third, most important probably, are network coordination failures. On a reasonably populated market, if the nominal demand (or trade volume) falls, the first enterpreneur to lower prices would not suffer losses due to demand inelasticity | [22:40] |
wywialm | benkay, true, but this is a source of rigidity which will impact the real economy | [22:40] |
bitcoinpete | wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses | [22:40] |
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benkay | isn't monetary diddling used solely to socialize losses? | [22:41] |
wywialm | bitcoinpete, i'm not a defender of current (fiscal and monetary) arrangements | [22:41] |
benkay | solely, largely, a lot of the time, whatever | [22:41] |
bitcoinpete | benkay: yup. and i meant to say that bitcoin prevents this, if i wasn't clear | [22:43] |
kakobrekla | ;;later tell davot rejected. | [22:43] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:43] |
kakobrekla | ;;later tell davout rejected. | [22:43] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:43] |
kakobrekla | eh? | [22:43] |
wywialm | currently, i'd bet something between 'largely' and 'sometimes'. Have a look at EU, they are heading for deflation, despite their official inflation targets, same in Poland | [22:43] |
benkay | just helping to illuminate, bitcoinpete | [22:43] |
kakobrekla | fuckin lag. | [22:44] |
bitcoinpete | benkay: bueno ;) | [22:45] |
wywialm | why don't they flood EU with cash, when they have mandate to do it? | [22:45] |
bitcoinpete | good sesh. i'm out for now | [22:45] |
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wywialm | cya | [22:45] |
benkay | hey wywialm who actually controls how much money sloshes around the eu? | [22:45] |
wywialm | ECB | [22:46] |
wywialm | in that, Germany and to lesser extent, France. | [22:46] |
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wywialm | and the same situation is in Poland, official inflation target is 2.5%, we are ~1% and head of National Bank of Poland says he's ok with that | [22:47] |
wywialm | Czech Republic is probably deflating already | [22:48] |
Apocalyptic | a good thing | [22:48] |
wywialm | not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier | [22:48] |
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benkay | well head of NBP doesn't have much say in euro monetary supply does he? | [22:50] |
wywialm | in PL we are monetary independent still | [22:50] |
wywialm | we have zloty (which, by coincidence, means 'golden', and last had gold component 300 years ago) | [22:51] |
wywialm | not EUR | [22:51] |
benkay | asciilifeform: https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble | [22:51] |
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benkay | ah cool | [22:51] |
benkay | well so anyways euro is deflating right now? | [22:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00096548 = 17.8527 BTC [+] | [22:52] |
wywialm | inflation 0.5 %, target 2% | [22:53] |
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benkay | what are their lines of recourse and why aren't they using them? | [22:54] |
wywialm | and it is not equally distributed throughout eurozone, south is deflating for a couple of years, -1.5% i believe | [22:55] |
wywialm | they only use interest rate policy, which is veeery far from efficient | [22:55] |
wywialm | and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework | [22:56] |
wywialm | what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right? | [22:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690993 = 0.2007 BTC [+] {2} | [22:58] |
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asciilifeform | benkay: neato | [22:58] |
wywialm | btw: that reminded me about another consequence of deflation, which should be obvious: the zero lower bound of interest rates | [22:59] |
benkay | oh phf you can !up yourself in pm now | [22:59] |
benkay | ;;ident phf | [22:59] |
gribble | Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S | [22:59] |
benkay | !up phf | [22:59] |
assbot | Voicing phf without time-limit. | [22:59] |
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benkay | phf wrote that elisp | [22:59] |
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phf | cheers | [23:00] |
phf | next step is to add assbot integration | [23:01] |
phf | now that i can test it ;) | [23:01] |
benkay | sweet | [23:01] |
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wywialm | i'll be going, thanks benkay for a nice chat | [23:11] |
benkay | see ya | [23:11] |
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thestringpuller | !last m s.mpoe | [23:38] |
assbot | Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096548 BTC [+] | [23:38] |
thestringpuller | $depth mpoe | [23:38] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15167 @ 0.00096548', '75 @ 0.00096', '15174 @ 0.00095914', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001'] | [23:38] |
mpexbot | thestringpuller: Asks: ['49700 @ 0.00097016', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '43200 @ 0.00097666', '18750 @ 0.00097667'] | [23:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00502054 = 1.0141 BTC [-] {9} | [23:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50342865 = 2.5171 BTC [-] {5} | [23:42] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [23:42] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.23, Best ask: 512.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 512.92, 24 hour volume: 32932.41992736, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.82933908 | [23:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00499191 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2} | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | wow amazing | [23:43] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:43] |
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Apocalyptic | pankkake, http://www.lecontrarien.com/2014/04/16 | [23:48] |
Apocalyptic | "c’est l’éducation nationale – ou ce qu’il en reste tant cette institution marque l’échec volontaire de notre société dans l’ensemble – qui réfléchit doctement non pas à améliorer le niveau scolaire déplorable de nos enfants mais à changer le système de notation des dictées. Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…" | [23:48] |
Apocalyptic | dafuq | [23:49] |
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pankkake | I don't understand what he really means | [23:54] |
pankkake | the whole website seems to advertise buying gold | [23:54] |
Apocalyptic | I'm not sure but I read "Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…" as you just have to write 10 or 20 words correctly to get the full mark | [23:56] |
Apocalyptic | he may be biased but I think he's right about "Ce mouvement vers l’inculture n’est pas français mais international" and the will to make people dumb generally | [23:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2} | [23:57] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00490007 = 0.3283 BTC [-] {2} | [23:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50100001 = 1.002 BTC [+] | [23:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] | [23:59] |
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