Forum logs for 15 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00047742 = 10.3973 BTC [+] {2}	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	"If you ever do find yourself working for a startup, here's a handy tip for evaluating competitors. Read their job listings. Everything else on their site may be stock photos or the prose equivalent, but the job listings have to be specific about what they want, or they'll get the wrong candidates." << this is actually very much correct.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	"we don't care what the unknown animal sounds like. what does it eat ?"	[00:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this misses a fairly big chunk of reality, where hiring is not done publicly but through meatwot	[00:06]
asciilifeform	esp. in small firms	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	but you know WHO they hired.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	how?	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	ok.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	but I know who they hired.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	only if you have a mole	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	i've seen many skins, i've yet to meet one without a single mole on it.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	investigation continues.	[00:08]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299118 << would be entertaining to hear more of this	[00:18]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	Seriously if anyone wants a ready packed "My First Qntra Piece" http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12538849.html	[00:18]
assbot	Investment in Factom	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	not really too much to tell. buncha old dudes who couldn't really afford to live in the states [to their expectations], hitting the casinos and the 5 foot nothing whores of san jose.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	aka 'brass pole in bangkok'	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6942 @ 0.00047797 = 3.3181 BTC [+] {2}	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	except cheaper.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	but where's the 'ustardation' ? all i see thus far is poverty	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	in the pretense.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	seriously, if all yhou have are "not enough money to be a retired midwestern mobster" what you do is go south and try to pretend ?	[00:21]
asciilifeform	pretense how? is the refrigerator box a hobo lives in a pretense of a house ? or merely the only house he can afford	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	here's the thing : cargo cult is what savages / pacific islanders / subhuman monkeys do as a reaction to exposure to actual hjuman beings and their civilisation.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	what do you call it when an ex-navy engages in the native behaviour ?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	"being an american" ?	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	o look at that, time for the monthly ddos trilema exercise in futility ?	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299295 << except we weren't discussing iceboxes, we were discussing iphones ; and "casinos" and business organizers bought on time.	[12:13]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 03:22:38; asciilifeform: but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	or at least i was at any rate.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	jurov aha.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299303 << all soviets forever produce record productions of products.	[12:16]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 03:27:48; asciilifeform: advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	it's the thing.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299334 << hola. will be sending your thing later today!	[12:17]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 08:50:46; davout: ohai all	[12:17]
davout	a happiness is me	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	lol	[12:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299369 << reddit did this exact thing.	[12:42]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 09:42:48; davout: aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	sec had nothing to say on the topic.	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	assbot: Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. << "me being fat, stupid, and other problems of reality"	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im totally ultra-sure bitcoin cares about all the particular way people who got their egos wounded by it misunderstand or misrepresent it.	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299428 <<< bwhahaha.	[12:46]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 14:24:03; assbot: Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	this isn't a scam however.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	it's only a scam if not-government does it.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	if government does it, it's governance.	[12:47]
phf	but no reason to mention what % is maggot << no reason because su had maggot % written into GOSTs. any more or less, and you're vreditel and counterrevolutionary. in america all meat has maggots because customers come to expect, unless you buy at gourmet store in which case ask specifically for "maggot free"	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	lol insufficient maggot in meat wrecking natl economy!	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!"	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	"For the nerds in the audience, here’s what’s wrong: If a client and server are speaking Diffie-Hellman, they first need to agree on a large prime number with a particular form. There seemed to be no reason why everyone couldn’t just use the same prime, and, in fact, many applications tend to use standardized or hard-coded primes. But there was a very important detail that got lost in translation between the math	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[12:55]
*	mircea_popescu vaguely remembers an obscure discussion about exponents and whatnot, which consisted of a guy asking on some derp social media sites about one of my articles, and getting an "expert" answer within hours.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	much to everyone's feigned surprise, ITS THE STANDARDS, STUPID.	[12:56]
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shinohai	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/10/14/d-c-church-says-a-bike-lane-would-infringe-upon-its-constitutional-rights-of-religious-freedom/	[13:16]
assbot	D.C. church says a bike lane would infringe upon its constitutional ‘rights of religious freedom’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msc4PA )	[13:16]
punkman	is it the Church of Hamplanets?	[13:16]
shinohai	xD	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	win	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	fucking bike lanes.	[13:20]
davout	"The parking loss would place an unconstitutionally undue burden on people who want to pray, the church argues"	[13:21]
shinohai	I suppose it never occurred to them to pray about it, leave it in God's hands and all.	[13:21]
shinohai	./s	[13:21]
davout	nutjobs	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:22]
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mircea_popescu	argentina is pretty much the only place i've seen that has the sanity to cut bike lanes out of the street. everyone seems to always cut them out of fucking sidewalks.	[13:22]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/me.JPG	[13:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MscCFl )	[13:23]
davout	dutch bike lanes, best bike lanes	[13:23]
davout	fietspads yo	[13:23]
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davout	the netherlands, the place where they cut roads from bike lanes	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	i see a road and a sidewalk	[13:25]
davout	"Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté, Luxe, calme et volupté."	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	and if a bunch of biking fucktards move on that sidewalk ima start carrying a billy club	[13:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3232 @ 0.00047495 = 1.535 BTC [-]	[13:26]
shinohai	There was a guy lived a few streets over that got locked up for throwing water-filled condoms at any Mexican that rode by his house on a bike.	[13:26]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[13:27]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: caltrops!	[13:27]
davout	such haet	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	no but i fucking hate that shit. "you know what we'll do to fix the problem of dumbass cars encroaching on pedestrian everything ? we'll make cheaper cvasi-cars so all the dumbass hipsters who can't afford a car can still get in your way"	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	i occasionally ~used to~ have altercation with dumbass bike derps who not only were on the sidewalk but had the unmitigated audacity to ring their dumbass bell.	[13:29]
davout	lol	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i looked enough like i was gonna fucking kill them on the spot that they bitched and ran off each time, but hot damned i regret not having fed one his wheel.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"oh, the town house painted a line on the sidewalk so it's half bycicle route now"	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"ima paint a line on your ass so it's half train depot"	[13:30]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i always found it peculiar that bicycles are permitted on normal roads where i live - but not horses	[13:30]
ascii_field	horse is faster	[13:30]
shinohai	I have a bike, but around here you just ride in the damned street. I only use mine downtown to avoid traffic	[13:30]
ascii_field	bicyclist causes column of cars behind him to waste far more fuel than he ever could hope to save	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	fuck the whole lot of them, but if im running into bikers on the sidewalk ima get hteir heads.	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i must confess in this respect ba is very mp-conformant.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	nice wide sidewalks, and the biking nonsense is mostly in palermo (fucktard/ustard/libtard ghetto, where the diners have no service and the girls no sense of the cock.)	[13:32]
davout	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY <<< bike lanes look sane	[13:33]
assbot	Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msdt8V )	[13:33]
phf	i like alleycat races..	[13:33]
davout	anyway, best bike, is motor bike	[13:34]
davout	highway's left lane, best bike lane	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	eh get an unicycle.	[13:36]
mike_c	ascii_field: bicycles don't crap in the street.	[13:36]
shinohai	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o <<< mircea_popescu if the were bicyclists	[13:37]
assbot	A Bronx Tale "now youse cant leave" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsdKbO )	[13:37]
shinohai	*they	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it's kinda good if you think about it. ma-nure. ma, which is good...	[13:37]
mike_c	polyglot jokes go straight over my head :)	[13:38]
ascii_field	mike_c: cars (at least as seen in usa) ~do~ shit on the street	[13:38]
mike_c	they do, and the oil is annoying, but it doesn't smell as bad.	[13:39]
ascii_field	not oil	[13:39]
ascii_field	rubbish thrown from window	[13:39]
mike_c	yes, but shit metaphorically is not as bad as shit actually.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	"The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Joh	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	nny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	[...]	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[13:40]
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mircea_popescu	i was looking for this, yesterday.	[13:41]
davout	shinohai: pretty cool	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	the funny thing about "groups advocating influentially in media they don't own or control" is that the famelic good for nothing hipsters propose that THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. ie, being someone's cockpuppet is somehow worthy, whereas if trump writes "fuck you" in his own fucking magazine, that's somehow "not fair" and you know, of "lesser value".	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	and THEN they wanna be all "successful", or perceived as such, because hey, of the 5000 of them, one's necessarily gonna dribble in the general direction of future events by sheer happenstance - that's your successful dude!11	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[13:42]
shinohai	davout One of teh best movies evah	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and to	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	o-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 he	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway. im done with spamming ballas before i end up with his entire collected works in the log.	[13:44]
ascii_field	we might already have them all in the log	[13:45]
ascii_field	(as with naggum)	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	in triplicate!	[13:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00047186 = 11.8498 BTC [-] {3}	[13:48]
davout	this kinda sounded familiar	[13:50]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998598 <<< that's why heh	[13:51]
assbot	Logged on 30-01-2015 17:27:51; mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid	[13:51]
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davout	http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2015/10/15/20005-20151015ARTFIG00087-volkswagen-l-allemagne-ordonne-le-rappel-de-24-millions-de-voitures.php <<< and so it begins	[13:52]
assbot	L'Allemagne se fâche, Volkswagen rappelle 8,5 millions de véhicules	[13:52]
ascii_field	and what, idiots will eagerly bring'em in for crippleware reflash ?	[13:53]
davout	apparently that's the plan	[13:53]
ascii_field	or does fr refuse citizens the sacred freedom to pollute ?	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	i guess we get to find out how american europeans are these days	[13:54]
davout	we do have occasional pollution checks	[13:55]
shinohai	http://www.vice.com/read/the-philippines-is-still-pissed-off-that-vancouver-is-using-it-as-a-giant-garbage-bin-vgtrn <<< Canada likes pollution	[13:56]
assbot	The Philippines Is Still Pissed Off That Canada Is Using It as a Giant Garbage Bin \| VICE \| United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFrrcb )	[13:56]
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davout	http://www.lemonde.fr/education/article/2015/10/15/en-moselle-des-enfants-testent-des-fusils-d-assaut-dans-leur-ecole_4790463_1473685.html <<< win	[14:02]
assbot	En Moselle, des enfants testent des fusils d’assaut dans leur école ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFsSas )	[14:02]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:15]
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ascii_field	;;isup qntra.net	[14:15]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[14:15]
ascii_field	mno	[14:15]
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mircea_popescu	haha what, you got a host to suggest ?	[14:18]
ascii_field	not presently	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	in other b-a news : world infrastructure is shit. in all respects, at every turn, everything.	[14:20]
ascii_field	ny000z at 11!	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	and bike is the new car.	[14:20]
ascii_field	mno, grinding wheel is the new car	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	iirc they had flying cars in the 20s, but then the socialists wanted to supress them and pretend like the street going car is the thing to get because that was all you can afford.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	hitler didn't want to go for this so they invaded germany to saddam hussein him.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	and now even cars are too much for the socialist derp to afford. so make way for the much "better" bike!	[14:21]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299466 << dh is an atavistic barbarism	[14:25]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 15:55:25; mircea_popescu: ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	this is also why we use 4096.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	not so clear how much longer.	[14:25]
ascii_field	and, to the extent it is used as popularly imagined ('two parties with no prior relation') easily mitmable and impossible to use as intended even in principle.	[14:26]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: we don't use dh!	[14:26]
ascii_field	at least ~i~ don't	[14:26]
ascii_field	http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffie-HellmanProtocol.html << for n00bz	[14:27]
assbot	Diffie-Hellman Protocol -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFyl0R )	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	its in ssh innit ?	[14:27]
ascii_field	it is traditionally in it, yes	[14:28]
ascii_field	but ssh is a very configurable animal.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	but you're still going to use what the server can use.	[14:29]
ascii_field	(a civilized setup will have rsa backing on both sides)	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	my browser is also a very configurable animal, and the configuration mostly results in blank pages and "your site can't be used" emails.	[14:29]
ascii_field	i can't recall the last time i ssh'd to something which i did not either set up personally or know the keeper of in meatspace.	[14:30]
ascii_field	well, come to think of it, i can...	[14:30]
ascii_field	RIP dulap	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	how do you personally set up servers other than in physical proximity ?	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	(i'm asking to learn!)	[14:35]
ascii_field	one traditional method is the spot-welder school of thought.	[14:35]
ascii_field	(configure the box, weld, deliver to pedestal)	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	but you gotta be physically there.	[14:36]
ascii_field	why?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	how do you weld at a distance ?	[14:38]
ascii_field	you configure and weld at home.	[14:38]
ascii_field	then post the box.	[14:38]
ascii_field	(with courier, naturally)	[14:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00048231 = 12.2507 BTC [+]	[14:38]
ascii_field	ideally, you carry it to its resting place and arm the motion sensor personally.	[14:39]
ascii_field	(lose keys if dislodged, etc)	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	is this pretty much an exercise in runaway complexity ?	[14:40]
ascii_field	no	[14:40]
ascii_field	it is an exercise in approximating a solution where no clean solution exists.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	where do you buy the motion sensors ?	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	this happens to be THE definition of runaway complexity.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	let's go at it the other way. first, historical recount :	[14:42]
ascii_field	i see nothing 'runaway' about it. i can personally name five vendors for piezoelectric gyro, magnetometric, etc. sensors just from my head	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	so we decided more or less on a lark to phuctor/s.nsa server. on the general expectation that hey, "commodified market" means you get stuff and it works and forget about it.	[14:42]
ascii_field	and none cost more than 20bux	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	it turns out that this is not true : "commodified market" actually means that there is no market - you can either not have a server and think you don't have a server ; or else not have a server and think you have a server. those two, no third and sure as fuck no having servers.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	seems a little twisting the screw is in order. fine. how do we go about it ?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	but reasonably, mind.	[14:43]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: and to think, we could have carried on 'thinking we have a server' if phuctor had found nothing.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	so the correct approach here would be for coloing boxes you personaly doctor and fedex to location ?	[14:44]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what would it cost to house it in physical plant you actually own ?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't want to connect these, so infinity.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	but this is implementation, i was discussing design	[14:45]
ascii_field	know anyone who might ?	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	who might ? dozens of people.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	might is the mind killer.	[14:46]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:46]
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ascii_field	... design ?	[14:46]
ascii_field	as in, what to place in the crate ?	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	no, of the process.	[14:47]
ascii_field	process, much as i am loathe to admit it, would have to involve an airplane and a trip to some godforsaken pesthole.	[14:48]
ascii_field	because fedex is an invitation to hitler's can opener	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	basically, trying rto sound out a sort of "b-a best practices hardware server upbringing"	[14:48]
ascii_field	but iirc mircea_popescu asked for 'reasonable'	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	as a last ditch before going "fuck this shit, all our things are to be held on zombie computers"	[14:49]
ascii_field	at any rate, the procedure i suggested is only half a solution. because it merely helps to establish the fact of the betrayal ('caught man-sized figure moving near cabinet, power lost in 3 seconds'; 'chassis lost power for 10 minutes, moves three metres' etc)	[14:52]
ascii_field	but can do nothing else.	[14:52]
ascii_field	still stuck with the misery of moving from host to host.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	more importantly, how about some basic skuldulgery on the boards ?	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	like, physically cut the races for impi or w/e bullshit.	[14:53]
ascii_field	trivial	[14:53]
ascii_field	but there is no reason anyone should be able to get inside the box without triggering the scram.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	this sort of thing. costs nothing to do, completely blows minds on the other side.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	whart do you care, scram.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	the point is not to protect who knows what secrets that shouldn't be there anyway.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	the point is to entice the enemy into spending his shirt.	[14:54]
ascii_field	then my cameraball.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	(something he's more than willing to do - hey, needs more budget)	[14:54]
ascii_field	(see ancient thread)	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	you want a saltwater datacenter ?	[14:55]
ascii_field	wouldn't that be spiffy	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[14:55]
ascii_field	cameraball is a hypothetical device consisting of sealed pyrex sphere with two fish-eye cameras inside. charged and addressed via induction coil. contains a certain amount of eeprom, signs each frame with rsa key, which is zeroed if the glass is penetrated.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly.	[14:56]
ascii_field	srsly.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	who's gonna watch the cameras, moiety ?	[14:56]
ascii_field	not real time	[14:56]
ascii_field	you drop a few in the crate.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	stop solving the sexy problems.	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00047301 = 2.6252 BTC [-]	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	there's actual problems ripe for solving.	[14:57]
ascii_field	if they are molested or missing - you know the crate was.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	was what ?	[14:57]
ascii_field	molested.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	file a complaint with fedex ?	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	im not spending 50k in fisheye to be able to make a ten cent report.	[14:57]
ascii_field	camera is expensive, compared to doing nothing. cheap compared to sending men on airplanes.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	is there such a thing as thermo-conducive epoxy ?	[14:58]
ascii_field	sure	[14:58]
ascii_field	got a tube right here.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	how much is it ?	[14:58]
ascii_field	(silver flakes)	[14:58]
ascii_field	costs about what silver costs, per g.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	so if i do something like, "cut raqces, submerge board in 1U epoxy" its gonna cost me > 200 each	[14:59]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: board will not function. thermoconductive epoxy is electroconductive.	[14:59]
ascii_field	and at any rate will add parasitic capacitance to mb traces.	[15:00]
ascii_field	epoxy 'potting' went out of fashion in '70s for this reason.	[15:00]
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ascii_field	'Korsuissa kamina, / siellä pelataan nakkia, raminaa, / on meillä Fritzit ja Maxit / ja Petropamaxit, juu!' (tm) (r) (1941)	[15:02]
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kakobrekla	hehe	[15:03]
kakobrekla	speaking of fish eye, i have a 183 degrees lens buried somewhere	[15:04]
kakobrekla	much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching	[15:05]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: hypothetical device in question is a small sphere, the size of golf ball	[15:05]
ascii_field	needs to see in all directions.	[15:05]
ascii_field	has no moving parts	[15:05]
phf	is this another one of those technical solutions for counterparty problem?	[15:06]
kakobrekla	sorta like http://www6.pcmag.com/media/images/413251-hands-on-panono-panoramic-ball-camera.jpg?thumb=y	[15:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBETY )	[15:06]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: something like.	[15:06]
ascii_field	preferably smaller, cheaper, doesn't even need to see in all directions if you have 50 of them in the box.	[15:07]
ascii_field	(use instead of packing peanuts!)	[15:07]
shinohai	When ascii_field gets arrested: "We got his hard drive!" https://i.imgur.com/qSPQ0RR.jpg	[15:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBXhE )	[15:09]
kakobrekla	Does ti have a countdown timer?	[15:10]
shinohai	I don't doubt that a real FBI agent might say the same.	[15:10]
ascii_field	recipe: own a crate with 10,000 eproms.	[15:10]
ascii_field	after your hanging, ~somebody~ will have to read'em...	[15:10]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:40]
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ascii_field	http://cr.yp.to/nfscircuit/lsttgap.html << lulzy	[15:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAjBU )	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	Does ti have a countdown timer? << and wires sticking out.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	!up brbsoup	[15:41]
-assbot-	You voiced brbsoup for 30 minutes.	[15:41]
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shinohai	People try to hack anything on github: http://postopcare.github.io/	[15:41]
assbot	Postop (SRS) Care 101 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAs8i )	[15:41]
ascii_field	ugh	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway if anyone had a qntra emergency...	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	davout http://dpaste.com/1YWYXG6	[15:46]
assbot	dpaste: 1YWYXG6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAYmB )	[15:46]
shinohai	https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/	[15:48]
assbot	How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )	[15:48]
ascii_field	shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299412	[15:49]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 11:10:12; jurov: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/	[15:49]
shinohai	missed	[15:50]
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kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299703 < would you also expect this was not the case even 10 years ago	[16:09]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 18:40:47; mircea_popescu: much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	nope	[16:09]
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jurov	1. how do you detect glass is penetrated? 2. they can open the package in darkness	[16:14]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:14]
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ascii_field	jurov: both are solvable problems.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[16:16]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X9YER9.txt )	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	no, it's good, seriously.	[16:16]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299401 ... case in point: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296386	[16:17]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 10:27:18; punkman: this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying	[16:17]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 19:28:30; jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"	[16:17]
jurov	it started as wiki based on plain .txt files	[16:17]
jurov	started to use it for personal stuff	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	they improved it ?	[16:17]
jurov	after some 10 years.. you don't want to know	[16:18]
ascii_field	luserz 'have come to expect' js !!11	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	"But, yes, Foswiki is becoming more dependent on JavaScript. I doubt that this is going to change."	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is wrong with them.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	why, so it can compete with... 500 other implementations ?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	us gotta switch to teaching strategy in school.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	"Browsers without javascript aren't supported by Foswiki out of the box. We once decided to assume that nowadays everybody should have access to a sufficiantly standard browser that implements javascript. Of course this was different 15 years ago when we still had to deal with IE6 and the like. But as almost all vendors constantly move forward in web standards. So we then decided to strip off the burden of having to su	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	pport browsers without javascript and rapidly moved forward. "	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	i can't even.	[16:19]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: http://wpressutexas.net/cs378h/images/4/49/How_to_even_for_dummies.jpg << have some help!	[16:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QxWbe3 )	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	my computer is not that shape or color.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	and the girl's got less clothes more tits.	[16:23]
ascii_field	then will not work.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	i need a better jewscript book	[16:24]
jurov	From the author of "How to accidentally" bestseller!!1	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	yesterday i accidentallied a router. it only took on the third stomp tho.	[16:24]
mike_c	sometimes javascript is useful.	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	did he just use javascript.duck() ?	[16:25]
mike_c	$(this).duck()	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	sorry mike, your pubic hair's now on fire. seek er.	[16:25]
mike_c	gotta have some jquery with your javascript	[16:26]
mike_c	i don't even think it'll matter much longer. html5 will present all the necessary security holes you need in plain old html	[16:27]
punkman	it would be nice if we could at least have a video library without remote code execution holes	[16:28]
mike_c		[16:28]
punkman	err not remote I mean	[16:28]
punkman	but you know, how about I can open mp4 file without getting pwned	[16:29]
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jurov	punkman: play it on dedicated device	[16:30]
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thestringpuller	like an ipod	[16:34]
ascii_field	https://secrom.com << l0l!!! this still exists?!	[16:45]
assbot	Portal Home - SECROM ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIcHJ )	[16:45]
ascii_field	^ classical 1990s-style cryptosnakeoil	[16:45]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:52]
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ascii_field	https://publicintelligence.net/its-dangerous-fighting-isis << lulzy	[16:52]
assbot	The Dangers of Traveling Overseas to Fight Against the Islamic State \| Public Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIzSw )	[16:52]
ascii_field	'the US Government does not support US persons traveling overseas to combat ISIL.'	[16:53]
shinohai	Guess they would rather I stay home and support them.	[16:54]
ascii_field	support, oppose, usg's golems work either way.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	^	[17:00]
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mircea_popescu	da fuck does that even mean, "usg does not support"	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	who asked them ?	[17:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00047224 = 19.9758 BTC [-] {2}	[17:06]
ascii_field	ianal, but the implication is 'no jail if you come home, but don't expect supplies or rescue if you're in a bind, or good pr'	[17:06]
ascii_field	https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-AssessingLegitimacyISIL.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0D7G0Q3 << lulzy	[17:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJzWX )	[17:12]
assbot	dpaste: 0D7G0Q3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJBxQ )	[17:12]
ascii_field	' ISIL stickers have been identified on memorials, highway signs, and other public	[17:12]
ascii_field	venues in Arizona, Nevada, and Texas, according to open source analysis.'	[17:12]
ascii_field	oh noez.	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	oh there is that.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	they understandably don't wanna be on the hook for every fucktard with a plane ticket.	[17:17]
deedbot-	[Trilema] The lulz in "dating" - http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/	[17:17]
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gabrielradio	http://pastebin.com/AKUpLNvx	[17:27]
assbot	I never - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIWL38 )	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	"nor have I ever did" ?	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	"Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.	[17:34]
gabrielradio	indeed. got it	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, "employment record book" is a thing!	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[17:36]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: afaik it was a su-only thing ?	[17:38]
ascii_field	or, no??!!!?	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	seems not.	[17:38]
ascii_field	where, then, else ?	[17:38]
ascii_field	http://www.na.rkomi.ru/IZYUROV/KOP_DOK/6/5.jpg << example	[17:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OxKV3M )	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	"I've never signed payroll, I never held a paycheck, I've never seen the various small item salesmen visit the office on pay day nor have I ever asked for a payday loan. Wider, and more importantly, I never worked against my will. Not even as a kid, doing homework."	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	sumthing like that.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field believe it or not... http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/205/848/927_001.jpg	[17:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OxL1sc )	[17:41]
ascii_field	l0l!	[17:41]
ascii_field	arbeit macht frei.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	those guys srsly don't get enough credit, everyone stole all their shit.	[17:42]
gabrielradio	mircea_popescu i see. pretty straightforward, no meddling with the words	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it's a fine line.	[17:43]
ascii_field	'iz zis nazi lande soo goood?! we would leave it, if we could!!' (tm) (r) (donald duck)	[17:43]
ben_vulpes	d'aww, a newish client just sent us 3 boxes of fresh cookies	[17:47]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299791 << who the hell ever heard of an employed ammonia-atmosphere-breathing dragon	[17:49]
assbot	Logged on 15-10-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	trilema mostly deals with the banal.	[17:50]
gabrielradio	!rate mircea_popescu 2 I get high on Trilema	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	haha thatg's a new one.	[17:52]
gabrielradio	!v assbot:gabrielradio.rate.mircea_popescu.2:365fa6980f36389ab2e054244529e5e2d01d51ee1d306d607d79ab8b74be435d	[17:53]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: I get high on Trilema	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of "addiction", and pathways and whatnot :	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	"Ask a 20 year crack addict when was the last time they used powder cocaine. Do they miss it? Are they in withdrawal? "But crack is cocaine." No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? "But crack is more potent and addictive." Then why don't cocaine adicts move over to crack? "	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	apparently tlp agrees, it's all bs.	[17:53]
ascii_field	No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? << i don't follow the logic	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	suppose your car can run on either water or gasoline.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	you never run it on water.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	even if you don't have gasoline.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	because ?	[17:55]
ascii_field	...?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	"there's one so-called identified pathway and 500 non miscible so-called addictions. because this is Fantasia."	[17:55]
shinohai	@ gabrielradio Are you the Romanian interpreter ?	[17:58]
punkman	cocaine addicts do move from insufflation to smoking freebase or crack	[17:59]
ascii_field	what's the upside of the latter vs the former ?	[17:59]
punkman	at least the dedicated ones	[17:59]
punkman	insufflation is not efficient, costs more	[18:00]
gabrielradio	shinohai yea	[18:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00047436 = 6.8279 BTC [+]	[18:02]
gabrielradio	i spend a lot reading trilema, why not translate the ro articles while at it	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman they do ?	[18:03]
punkman	mircea_popescu: same with heroin, you start with a sniff, then move on to smoking and finally iv	[18:04]
punkman	naturally everyone has his preferences	[18:06]
shinohai	gabrielradio: I appreciate anyone willing to tackle translations.	[18:06]
gabrielradio	shinohai any article in particular you want to see translated?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	is this something you know from some sort of direct experience ?	[18:08]
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gabrielradio	i wanted to do http://trilema.com/2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ next	[18:08]
assbot	Ce ma intereseaza pe mine intr-un proiect. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxMmiE )	[18:08]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I've seen it	[18:08]
punkman	dunno, I suppose in some places go straight to iv	[18:09]
punkman	*kids go	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	ok, you've seen it, but chipping heroin is one thing ; cocaine as powder and as crack is a rather different thing.	[18:09]
shinohai	gabrielradio: I do not speak Romanian unfortunately so I dunno :(	[18:09]
jurov	gabrielradio: there's supposedly very popular guide to oral sex, maybe that one?	[18:09]
punkman	well I couldn't tell you the difference between powder, crack and freebase	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	at some point the argument was that pot is a "gateway drug" for that matter. a sort of kindled theory of chem addiction i guess.	[18:09]
gabrielradio	lmao, why not	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	punkman i can tell you the difference. it's about $1k for half-and-half.	[18:10]
punkman	it can be a social gateway	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	most whores do cocaine. just, the 20somethings that do lines go for about 5x the money of the 30somethings that do crack.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	which is why the derrogatory is crack whore, not snortwhore	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	even tho snortwhore sounds pretty fucking epic	[18:11]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the difference in cost is well-known. but what of effect ?	[18:11]
punkman	well surely smoking packs a harder punch	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	until the septum ruptures you can't really spot the snorter. you really can't miss the crackhead.	[18:12]
ascii_field	that'd be the side-effect. but what of the effect ?	[18:12]
ascii_field	subjectively, to the taker	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi, i never tried crack.	[18:12]
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ascii_field	i had a professor who confessed to having once been a crack smoker	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	so wha was his story ?	[18:13]
ascii_field	she described it in a very peculiar and scarcely believable:	[18:13]
ascii_field	'it was not even enjoyable, as i smoked the pipe the only thing it was possible to think about is the next pipe'	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	sounds about right.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	i dun think it's much of a leisured passtime.	[18:14]
ascii_field	ended up (iirc) quitting when she divorced the fella who brought the crack.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	that part's improbable as all shit, but hey.	[18:15]
ascii_field	actually it is this part that i readily believe	[18:15]
ascii_field	the 'did not enjoy' feels more of a stretch.	[18:16]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu does not appear to apprehend that it is in fact possible to have ZERO contact with 'the street'	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	you're being ridiculous.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	stand up, strip nakled,. go downstairs.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	you'll be in contact with the street.	[18:17]
ascii_field	i meant productive contact	[18:17]
ascii_field	as in, ability to 'score' contraband	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	nobody asks the crack whore.	[18:17]
ascii_field	but can any (female) become a 'crack whore' at will ?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and even not at will.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	that;'s the thing with the street : it takes all.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	that's why it's so deeply beloved, like no other thing. ultimate mother.	[18:18]
ascii_field	not so sure of this.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	easy for you to say :)	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	ah man i've been waiting to hit someone with that for like two weeks.	[18:19]
ascii_field	i suppose this is some variant on the ru traditional 'prison is like the grave, can find room for everyone'	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	the executive difference being that you get sent to prison, but go to teh street.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : given that ~30 million americans are homeless AT ANY GIVEN POINT, and given that the life expectancy of the homeless is not terribly good, say 5-10 years, do compute the odds of your child being homeless during his lifetime kthx.	[18:23]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: this is as interesting as computing the odds of being chinese.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	social mobility has its unexpected drawbacks.	[18:24]
ascii_field	(high!!11)	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	you entertain the delusion that your child is like you, which is true in unmobile societies.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	in the us, predicately, he is not like you.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	people love to assume that means "for the better", because it briefly did and people are idiots.	[18:24]
ascii_field	think obama's progeny will ever hobo ?	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:25]
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ascii_field	perhaps. but my mind boggles at the picture of a hobo bush.	[18:25]
ascii_field	hobo trump.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	trump IS an ex-hobo himself lol	[18:26]
ascii_field	ex.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	the question wasn't about dying there.	[18:26]
ascii_field	anyway in usa it is a very simple matter, as described by herr orlov: near-everybody there is 2 or 3 missed paycheques away from hobo-dom.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	to their great benefit.	[18:27]
ascii_field	but the present day crop of hobo is not evenly distributed, no.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	because near-everybody there, like everywhere, is also an imbecile.	[18:28]
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mircea_popescu	now, if only they had sane people in charge, doling out those missed paycheques.	[18:28]
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BingoBoingo	In other news St Louis passed their 2014 homicide total today, with 2.5 months to go	[18:31]
ascii_field	https://theintercept.com/drone-papers << lulzy	[18:31]
assbot	The Drone Papers ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHrLKa )	[18:31]
gabrielradio	jurov, i think this is the one http://trilema.com/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ . next in line after the "what interests me in a project" one	[18:37]
assbot	Cum se suge pula - ghid pentru juma' de sex oral on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxNKSp )	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	that article is lulzy - it was the 2nd most read article each month since pretty much its publishing	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	3 years ago.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	still is today.	[18:42]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: 2nd ?!	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	yea	[18:42]
ascii_field	and the 1st ?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	well it varies each month	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	but this - no. month by month, 2nd.	[18:42]
ascii_field	'how cock is sucked'. but engl. lacks reflexive, how to ~really~ translate ?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	it probably served half the teens in romania by now, if numbers have any meaning.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if they're satisfied.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	"how to suck the cock" i would say.	[18:43]
ascii_field	but not same meaning..	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	se is conjunctive not reflexive	[18:44]
ascii_field	hm	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	se suge = on succionne	[18:44]
ascii_field	ah.	[18:44]
jurov	http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/poll-29-of-americans-believe-armed-revolt-may-be-necessary-in-next-few-years	[18:45]
assbot	Poll: 29% of Americans Believe Armed Revolt May Be Necessary in Next Few Years... \| RedFlag News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxOhUn )	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	did they ask more than 10 people (in texas) ?	[18:46]
ascii_field	and what if answer is 'it was necessary in 1934' ?	[18:46]
ascii_field	from same publication: 'How To Destroy Any Attacker In Seconds Using Only Your Bare Hands.'	[18:47]
ascii_field	'This 1 Simple Trick "Fixes" Your Erectile Dysfunction.'	[18:47]
ascii_field	etc.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	same in wapo.	[18:47]
ascii_field	it is, isn't it.	[18:47]
ascii_field	'outbrain' et al.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	they make like 500bux for the journalistic integritits.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	"I'm putting myself on the record (not that I haven't a dozen other times on this site):	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	there is no inflation, if there it is two, maybe three years out at the earliest. This is massive deflation before your eyes, not even including the outstanding credit card balances and other personal loans which will never get paid, especially when the jobs start evaporating."	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	tlp on finance	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	here's a puzzling fact. in some cases, expert A in field a saying something stupid in field b not only turns me off on A, but sometimes even makes me reevaluate his expertise of field a.	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/8ecWN << Turdlicious upgrade forcing attempt	[18:53]
assbot	Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHu6or )	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile righyt here, expert C in field p says something so outrageously stupid (and it's not just one thing - all his forays into finance and investing read like he's a vocational school most likely to succeed from kharkov) in e that it's actually...endearing.	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	"	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	If widely deployed this change would eliminate the last remaining known vector for nuisance malleability on SIGHASH_ALL P2PKH transactions. On the down-side it will block most transactions made by sufficiently out of date software."	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	i think this is how it works with women and ass grabbing too.	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt enforcing low-s encoding of ecdsa is avoidable.	[18:56]
BingoBoingo	The thing is does 0.5.X produce low-s transactions?	[18:57]
BingoBoingo	Power rangers are claiming this wasn't introduced until 0.9	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	it shouldn't but it's nutty.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	the idea is, at no point should it have made anything else anyway, at least as far as anyone knew.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	but yes, will need to be looked into moar.	[18:58]
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BingoBoingo	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a28fb70e45d764e558966ba3b02bd16e02b11c14 << What they point to as the introduction of low-s encoding	[18:59]
assbot	Merge pull request #3016 from sipa/lows · bitcoin/bitcoin@a28fb70 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHuMKF )	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	you see, it's a probabilistic thing.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what negating if odd does anyway.	[19:01]
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mircea_popescu	but you're right, it was even S before.	[19:02]
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ascii_field	nobody asked me, but letting the enemy spray his relevance-piss-pheromone on the thing is far more of a nuisance than the existing malleability.	[19:06]
ascii_field	which afaik is harmless to anyone who isn't a moron	[19:06]
BingoBoingo	Relay looks like it could become problematic	[19:06]
ascii_field	how?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it has this pr stink to it.	[19:07]
ascii_field	the way i see it, usg continues in the effort to force folks off classical clients	[19:09]
ascii_field	and into the holding pen.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	you know it's a trivial fix for trb also.	[19:09]
ascii_field	yes but imposed.	[19:10]
ascii_field	and 'what if pogos had been poured into cement already'	[19:10]
ascii_field	there is no known end to the supply of these.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	but the reaosn they weren't is specifically that we knew that it's early.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it's imposed by anything but the dubious quality of code writing employed throughout this project.	[19:12]
ascii_field	for so long as openssl, bdb, are in the mix, the bug mine is bottomless.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	in any case : the actual significance of this switch in crypto terms could benefit from a review.	[19:12]
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ascii_field	for perhaps the first time, i remind mircea_popescu to think of the political, and not vice-versa	[19:13]
ascii_field	if this is an actual flaw, it ought to be fixed in a way which marginalizes and lowers into pederasty the phoundation, rather than legitimizes it.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?	[19:14]
ascii_field	if i had 'specifically' i would be submitting the patch now.	[19:14]
ascii_field	will have to (shudder) ~think~.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	more importantly : the entire malleability / bip 62 / sipa chjanges (such as linked) are 2013 material.	[19:14]
jurov	ascii_field: can i read that like you will reject any patch that resembles anything from members or people affiliated to phoundation or "dev team"	[19:16]
jurov	?	[19:16]
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ascii_field	jurov: not precisely	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	seems a bit excessive.	[19:16]
ascii_field	jurov: if you recall, i began with a backport of the orphan fix	[19:16]
ascii_field	jurov: do you play go ?	[19:16]
ascii_field	familiar with jp terms 'sente' and 'gote' ?	[19:17]
jurov	no	[19:17]
ascii_field	http://senseis.xmp.net/?Gote	[19:17]
assbot	Gote at Sensei's Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHx5gE )	[19:17]
ascii_field	dunno how much sense this will make to a nonplayer	[19:17]
ascii_field	my point was that we do not want to be in the position of answering the enemy in real time.	[19:18]
ascii_field	and on his terms.	[19:18]
jurov	well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)	[19:19]
ascii_field	we already have the turdball	[19:19]
ascii_field	ftr, i do not believe that it has a long-term future.	[19:19]
ascii_field	recall why i asked nubbins` for the book!	[19:20]
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jurov	!s relish impossible	[19:21]
assbot	1 results for 'relish impossible' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=relish+impossible	[19:21]
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mircea_popescu	the real time thing fails, ftr.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	we had a discussion about how bip 62 is not particularly controversial last spring iirc.	[19:27]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Carl Mark Force IV To Be Sentenced Monday, Prosecutors Request 87 Months Imprisonment - http://qntra.net/2015/10/carl-mark-force-iv-to-be-sentenced-monday-prosecutors-request-87-months-imprisonment/	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	o hey not bad, guy gets to go to costa rica hang out with the other lamers on "what's left after divorce" budget	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	in any case, i see little value in the political thinking proposed. im not even sure it's all that political.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	but the way which, whether it delegitimizes anything or not, nevertheless serves bitcoin, to do the switch, is by making sure that the proposed solution actually is a good solution for the proposed problem. there's a lengthy history of narrow, poorly tho9ught out, unreviewed and borderline nonsensical "solutions" that had to be reforged and then re-reforged, even 3-4-5 passes.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	so in that sense... if there's a superclass fix, and we find it, good. if not, entrenching around this seems a waste of time.	[19:41]
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mircea_popescu	heck, the guy's pull request got, rather symptomatically, 0 comments.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	on github. the thing is social media for derps. they comment because their food is late, there.	[19:42]
BingoBoingo	Oh, of course Gavin had to refactor key.cpp so changes we might want to play with now are in a practically different language.	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	this is actually a good thing	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	it will readily expose dumbassery.	[19:47]
BingoBoingo	All sorts of changes appeared to happed to key.cpp between 0.7 and 0.9	[19:54]
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BingoBoingo	"Bullies helped me to see what had been in front of me all along: I needed help." >> http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/health/turning-point-fat-logic/index.html	[21:20]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/az3Wbf6.jpg	[21:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1X7ZVXC )	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit netsp[lits	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	Been a while since one like that	[21:40]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:40]
asciilifeform	and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	yup	[21:40]
asciilifeform	so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)	[21:42]
asciilifeform	*pre-loaded tx-en, that is	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx	[21:43]
asciilifeform	now this is true.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	but you'd still have to do the transform.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	(this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)	[21:45]
asciilifeform	anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	true.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.	[21:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	'malleability' vector - any idiot can, presently, flip it, and both variants compute as valid sig.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	nono.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	why is there an unused byte ?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	bit	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	right	[21:50]
asciilifeform	as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	and yes, unused sign bit. but why.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	'because openssl'	[21:53]
*	asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	almost like it's coded in c++	[21:55]
asciilifeform	l0l aha.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no see, that's the beauty of it. yes that's right, and it never occured to me before that could be a good thing.	[21:55]
asciilifeform	good thing?!	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	"you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	now that's power.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	of an awesome nature never before seen.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	"you set the chess table any way you want and it's checkmate in 3."	[21:57]
*	asciilifeform will be more excited after the checkmate	[21:58]
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BingoBoingo	the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители << It gets worth Anytime I look at something interesting comparing between 0.5-0.7 and 0.9 and later at some point Gavin has refactored every fucking thing into a different retarded language that is precisely NOT the Bitcoin dialect of C++	[22:00]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 0.8+	[22:01]
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asciilifeform	but to some extent earlier.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	here's a nice tidbit for the fathers in audience :	[22:01]
asciilifeform	hence 0.5.3	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	"The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer recall my father so po	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	sitively!"	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/09/recollections_of_your_parents_1.html	[22:01]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Recollections Of Your Parents Before And After You Have Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1X82rxd )	[22:01]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: 0.8 had the big blockchain handling change yes, but 0.8 to 0.9 transition had mega refactoring	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.0004784 = 10.166 BTC [-] {3}	[22:03]
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shinohai	Thank God I do not have children.	[22:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048003 = 2.9282 BTC [+]	[22:07]
shinohai	"But simultaneously, the act of reinterpretation changes us." <<< No shit. Read the instruction manual for #b-a and see how you feel about bitcoin in 6 months.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	god generally works on the conception angle. thank the women if anybody.	[22:08]
shinohai	God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	blame canada.	[22:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00048003 = 16.441 BTC [+] {2}	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	"Reality is too boring, and world events too complex, too overwhelming, and, frankly, too not about me. We want entertainment, diversions, that look enough like social policy analysis that we don't feel too guilty discussing them ad nauseum. We want masturbation that looks like work. "	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	word. wants a) masturbation but b) that looks like work. there, el consumidor, fully described.	[22:12]
shinohai	I'm guilty of that.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	ofcourseyouare.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	this is like "earth is carbon based so species there are probably breathing oxigen and retaining water" "i'm guilty of that". doh ?!	[22:15]
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shinohai	Do you know how many people, at least in my area, absolutely refuse any type of introspection. Then my statement might not seem so out of place.	[22:18]
shinohai	"I'm fine, B. Your problem is you need to get saved and accept Jesus in yer life."	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	ah, it didn't feel out of place. it was just... you know, trying to point out this is a very bad measuring stick. "fish is wet" well... it'd better be.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	NOT being guilty of that probably scores you high for psychopathy or some shit, because that's the thing with socialization : being a very far outlier in your environment, even if you are right by some measure, still makes you a very far outlier.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	what would this even look like ?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	"this"	[22:21]
asciilifeform	the not-being...	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	well, take for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/my_daughter_deserved_to_die_fo.html	[22:23]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: "My daughter deserved to die for falling in love" ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8xzZ2 )	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	usian is very taken aback at the both common and perfectly reasonable [in its context] practice of killing young women that get out of line.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ballas decides "the guy is narcissist". this is about as clever as discussing the rotator splint of wild geese. "hey, they're flying, right ? gotta have rotator splint, it's what you call the collar bone"	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	geese don't have collar bones.	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00047498 = 7.1959 BTC [-] {4}	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	if i had to guess - and i can do no better than guess, da fuck i know - i'd imagine the celebrated "what a nigger wants is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm hole to shit in" is a lot closer to what that guy [pars pro toto] wants than "masturbation that looks like work".	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	for one thing he doesn't even have a conception of work whatsoever.	[22:27]
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shinohai	The "loose shoes" comment reminds of a very racist joke, kek	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	;;google earl butz	[22:28]
gribble	Earl Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a bigoted Butz-hole…: ; Earl Butz Mouths Off - Rolling Stone:	[22:28]
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mircea_popescu	(execuytive summary - guy who ended jefferson's idea of agriculture and planted the seeds for hfcs in every meal)	[22:30]
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BingoBoingo	geese don't have collar bones. << Surefire sign Geese are all Mayogendered	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	I mean they even all only have cloacas	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	one of the better jokes in veterinary school, head prof goes in eager beaver pathology class, "i'll put one case to you boys... suppose my horse gets a fractured collar bone. what do you do ?"	[22:37]
*	BingoBoingo imagines cloaca creation surgery becoming popular in USia in the coming decades	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	"tetanos shots!" "blablabla!"	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	"why not call the natural history museum, offer them the first horse with a collarbone."	[22:37]
BingoBoingo	lol	[22:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73352 @ 0.00047136 = 34.5752 BTC [-] {4}	[22:38]
shinohai	hue	[22:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00048048 = 13.3814 BTC [+] {3}	[23:01]
brg444	has anyone here had a look at "Confidential Transactions" ?	[23:03]
brg444	https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/blob/master/confidential_values.md	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	brg444: Honestly I think we are too busy just trying to fucking make "standard transactions" work	[23:04]
assbot	elementsproject.github.io/confidential_values.md at master · ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrLdg0 )	[23:04]
brg444	fair enough	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	But if got ideas go ahead an dump them here	[23:04]
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brg444	!search sidechains	[23:06]
assbot	43 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains	[23:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00048065 = 2.4792 BTC [+]	[23:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7348 @ 0.00048085 = 3.5333 BTC [+] {2}	[23:43]
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