Forum logs for 15 Apr 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: people can also figure out how to install emacs if they need to. creating artificial restriction like that ensures that ~you~ while developing get exposed to the kind of annoyances that you should address first. [00:02]
phf: clime for example shouldn't be global frozen, whether or not you have an emacs to fall back to. [00:03]
phf: *clim [00:03]
mircea_popescu: can anyone explain to me why the "browser" is a different item from this editor btw ? [00:05]
mircea_popescu: there's apparently a history of having an "editor" for files and an "editor" for internets and yet another editor for debugging the smashed system (mostly used to "develop" or "code"). what again is the rationale ? [00:06]
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: emacs doesn't have a graphical display. [00:06]
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: Climacs does, and thus will become a "browser" networked-sorta-thing. [00:06]
mircea_popescu: because there's definitely no fucking difference between "your x.org cant' come up would you like to fiddle with settings see if you can fix it" and "i am not happy with how my computer does oral sex will write a better procedure for it") [00:06]
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p what is it, tactile ? [00:07]
mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately. [00:08]
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: you can drop arbitrary objects into a climacs buffer, sorta like the DOM. you can operate on them according to their type, which is what SVG has been trying to do all along [00:09]
mircea_popescu: cool. [00:09]
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm less talented than they. [00:09]
mircea_popescu: i thought it was os. [00:10]
phf: fwiw emacs has a browser builtin [00:13]
mircea_popescu: yes but why is it different. [00:13]
phf: from what? [00:13]
mircea_popescu: from "the editor" [00:13]
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: text browser. and yes, emacs can do images, but has no notion of x,y coordinates. Also, lack of threading. [00:14]
mircea_popescu: "your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way." [00:14]
mircea_popescu: i am confused. [00:14]
mod6: hahah [00:15]
phf: i'm not my brother's keeper! [00:15]
mircea_popescu: hola mod6 [00:15]
mod6: hai [00:15]
mircea_popescu: phf i was just asking in my spare time! [00:16]
phf: i'm unprepared to pursue the whys and hows of the field, and there's usually no escaping it with your "idle questions". so i'll just concede, the whole thing is idiotic. [00:21]
gabriel_laddel_p: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2017#2259861 < lat,longitude? [00:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues [00:21]
mircea_popescu: i really wasn't pursuing any thesis. jus' curious. [00:21]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0all << lol, the Mrbigg malware dude's profile pic got fat [00:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643950 << look near just about any train stop now [00:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:21 gabriel_laddel_p: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2017#2259861 < lat,longitude? [00:51]
* asciilifeform went to one that used to have empty fields around, last yr, and it was now surrounded with this cardboard. [00:52]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643942 << emacs is not an engineered object, like, say, mercedes, or even trabant. instead it is a pile of amoebic dysenteric liquishit. [00:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:14 mircea_popescu: "your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way." [00:53]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643932 << this works considerably better for films than for stills . ( the 'why' is exercise for reader ) [00:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:08 mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately. [00:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643916 << what am i reading ? [00:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 03:18 mircea_popescu: and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0all [00:56]
* asciilifeform did not succeed in making sense of linked item, despite sinking entire 10min or so into subj [00:56]
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. [00:58]
BingoBoingo: It reads perfectly clear: Scammers Scamming Scammers, aka marketing wank [01:02]
ben_vulpes: oh shame, cohen got embroiled in shit? [02:33]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643059 << aye, concede. can we move on to the failures of "culturing * populations and rubbing them across the sensitive mucous membranes is a bad idea" now? [02:37]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 17:39 mircea_popescu: how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ? [02:37]
mircea_popescu: mmm [02:39]
ben_vulpes: shy camgirls with great tits: http://68.media.tumblr.com/825037367e4035a1f4f92031667b15f3/tumblr_oo5do9N1K31rnq3xbo1_1280.jpg [02:39]
mircea_popescu: ok that's a great rack [02:40]
ben_vulpes: mhm [02:40]
ben_vulpes: hey you know what's great fun at the strip club? find the girls whose rodeo this is not their first and heckle the noobs. [02:41]
ben_vulpes: i found the strip club where bottoms stay on and hey what do you know, average dancer expertise is through the roof [02:42]
mircea_popescu: mmm [02:43]
mircea_popescu: say wut ? [02:44]
ben_vulpes: i mean heckle subtly, from the booths. with eyes and conversation. [02:44]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: commodity pdx strip clubs have an utterly inane rhythm. 3 dances: first sorta-clothed, second no top, third no bottoms. [02:45]
mircea_popescu: as in bare cunt or as in "this is the designated 2nd underwear we take off" [02:46]
ben_vulpes: nono, bare cunts [02:46]
mircea_popescu: a cool [02:46]
ben_vulpes: nudity is free speech in oregon [02:46]
* mircea_popescu hates that dumb shit. [02:46]
ben_vulpes: also 2 decades of right to die, but that's neither here nor there [02:46]
mircea_popescu: no, actuially it's pretty cool. [02:46]
ben_vulpes: rather [02:46]
ben_vulpes: glorious socialist utopia of pac nw: best water, bare cunts and right to die [02:47]
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty cool. [02:47]
ben_vulpes: anyways, this particular club of its own accord mandates bottoms at all times. result is that the dancers are of markedly higher dancing quality than girls in the clubs up the street, charging 5x cover. [02:48]
mircea_popescu: i dunno that's anymore than happy coincidence. [02:48]
ben_vulpes: sure! [02:49]
ben_vulpes: upon consideration it's probably just observation bias from asking "so whose dancing do you like" [02:52]
mircea_popescu: how much for the blowjob ? [02:53]
ben_vulpes: no idea [02:54]
phf: oddly enough, those are usually free [02:55]
ben_vulpes: i should ask i suppose [02:55]
ben_vulpes: i'm playing with how much they'll do in the club for how little this year [02:55]
mircea_popescu: phf from his 5x comment i gathered it's one of those cheaper joints where they don't make money out of table service and charge per the bj [02:57]
phf: ... are you ircing from a club? [02:57]
ben_vulpes: i got two of the established girls to clear one of the minor's booths for the three of us this evening! for a whole set! for less than the cost of a single song in the vip room! [02:57]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why squeeze the girls, i don't get it ? [02:57]
ben_vulpes: and this is why i don't play eulora [02:57]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not really a squeeze, "no, come on. we'll grab a side stage. you've been great just come along." [02:58]
mircea_popescu: i meant the "how much for how little" thing. [02:59]
mircea_popescu: so you save fiddy bux that'd have paid her rent in the time you don't cost the usg 10k ? umm [02:59]
ben_vulpes: well from the cause of "i was just watching but okay" and not towards the purpose of "how much for how little" [02:59]
mircea_popescu: working the wrong end of the stick. [02:59]
mircea_popescu: i c [02:59]
ben_vulpes: "vip" rates are "30 us per song with no touching", "ultra vip" rates are "100/10 min and maybe we let you touch something", ben_vulpes rates are "just sit down and tip like normal and we'll writhe all over you for reasons" [03:02]
mircea_popescu: i take it you had a good time. [03:07]
shinohai: "Happy Birthday from Tgirl Forums! - Shemale Reviews & TS Discussion. Please join today and meet a Tgirl in <PROXY>" [06:36]
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, http://monerolink.com [08:49]
shinohai: ooh ty asciilifeform good fodder, i was just writing shitcoin satutarday, etc [09:20]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-461909.txt [09:36]
trinque: ^ alrighty, got the thing with a suitable fee, works reliably again [09:36]
trinque: I'm kicking the cron back on [09:36]
trinque: got away with a 0.0001 fee for nearly the whole life of deedbot to date. cannot confirm a transaction with less than 0.0005 now. [09:37]
trinque: this is good for bitcoin (TM) (R) [09:38]
mircea_popescu: i think it is. [10:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform awww. [10:03]
asciilifeform: reading the paper -- it worked exactly as you'd expect -- simple deduction. [10:08]
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ? [10:09]
asciilifeform: lol [10:10]
mircea_popescu: no, it's an important question, for him. [10:10]
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's because there's a borisov at urbana" ? "alf likes red" ? what is it. gotta have a theory, even if it turns out to be a wrong theory. [10:11]
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it as an exercise then . [10:11]
mircea_popescu: yes. [10:12]
mircea_popescu: (but if anyone in teh esteemed lordship wants to congratulate the three faculty members on doing good work and invite them over, that'd be nice.) [10:12]
mircea_popescu: !!rate shinohai 3 The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare [10:13]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FNtzE/?raw=true [10:13]
mircea_popescu: !!v 7F4FC35B6C4F4AE4DF73FD02CF89CD0B7A0AB35E7D5DE257E000DC46E7BD27C0 [10:13]
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of shinohai from 2 to 3 << The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare [10:13]
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner [10:14]
mircea_popescu: o.O [10:14]
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner [10:14]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lp1MJ/?raw=true [10:14]
mircea_popescu: extra space huh,. [10:14]
mircea_popescu: !!v C44126DDFA443E0DEED8F35DA0F93E2F9EE383812AF625E807B385A0277932B4 [10:15]
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord Scanner [10:15]
mircea_popescu: !!rate ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well [10:16]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tYlDe/?raw=true [10:16]
mircea_popescu: !!v 672E514D837A94A4C7B7ACF7E39CD61C464C24ECCA00E1E79431C5EDE52C8E60 [10:16]
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord of the Well [10:16]
mircea_popescu: trinque could deedbot get a !!seen which would return the top line of the last otp the nick in question responded correctly to ? [10:17]
mircea_popescu: as a model !!seen mircea_popescu now would yield "<deedbot> mircea_popescu RATE ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well Sat Apr 15 08:25:39 CST 2017" or somesuch. link rather than timestamp would also work well. [10:18]
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a38d98f0e507b5650a05fc44032e7679/tumblr_o7136rRaWe1u0i0qzo1_400.gif ) [10:21]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, mp wakes up with the idea he'll do an asciiart post to spite the world. turns out http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1460 and alf had something with his "stills" thing. [10:24]
asciilifeform: the scarcity of ready proggy for it wasn't the reason at all. [10:27]
asciilifeform: but rather that asciiated films look ok, but still looks like shit much of the time. [10:27]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [10:32]
mircea_popescu: i got no argument, because the only possible argument would be "need better glyphs". isn't it strange that for all the crazy batshit nonsense including waterguns and whatnot utf put in, there isn't a "255 chars optimized for ascii rendering of stills" ? [10:32]
mircea_popescu: i think it is strange. [10:33]
asciilifeform: unicode aint ascii [10:34]
mircea_popescu: sure. [10:34]
asciilifeform: what'd be, then , the point, actual jpg would almost certainly weigh ~less~ and display moar reliably [10:35]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, make the point that utf is stupid ? [10:40]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-462003.txt [10:45]
doppler: my current favorite is U+1F574 [10:45]
doppler: "man in business suit levitating" [10:45]
mircea_popescu: heh [10:47]
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 << i understand the importance of this question and shall attempt some kind of answer, or will properly fail. bit later (took mdma last night with girl, after ~3 year break. so much love omg.) [11:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ? [11:08]
mircea_popescu: lol nice. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger does raver chicks eh. shoulda figured, britain. [11:08]
Framedragger: funnily this one wasn't british, the latter are usually just plain..boring, man. maybe i can't find ways to excite them. but their minds, blergh [11:09]
Framedragger: this time was like "she wants sex i just want to listen to her mind maaaan" [11:09]
mircea_popescu: my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. [11:09]
Framedragger: hah! :) i see, i see [11:09]
mircea_popescu: how did that "bad" poem go... [11:09]
mircea_popescu: Creep home, and take your place there, the spent and maimed among God grant you find one face there, you loved when all was young. [11:10]
asciilifeform: housman? [11:11]
asciilifeform: or who was it [11:11]
Framedragger: mmm. this will..recur, some decades later, in mind, i'm sure [11:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one charles kingsley [11:12]
* mircea_popescu also has cousin, went to germany to get married, ended up marrying romanian dude she met on the flight back. dude grew up literally across the hill from her. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: turns out exogamy is hard. [11:14]
Framedragger: maybe sometimes just need that new-environment-kick/vibe to shift perspective. or maybe just hard, yeah [11:15]
mircea_popescu: human sexuality is possibly the most complex mechanism in all creation. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: by comparison intelligence is relatively straightforward. [11:15]
Framedragger: it does feel that way. [11:17]
Framedragger: ty for deedbot trinque, looks good! [11:17]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. <- this is the sort of thing I keep noticing and can't yet explain beyond "people basically get homesick - they went abroad for it being rich, not for them not suffering the poor ways at home" [11:26]
mircea_popescu: i think it's the ever-classical prime-fire mechanism. they go away from home to get horny and then they seek a guy just like home to take care of it. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: most of life works on this paroxistic mechanism. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw do you know the "just like mom used to make" joke ? [11:29]
diana_coman: no or don't recall it I being apparently an exception to that thing, I'm still trying to digest it [11:30]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:30]
mircea_popescu: gal finds guy and falls in love. they get married an' all is well! [11:30]
mircea_popescu: except, gal is also a renowed cook, won contests and shit. so obviously she cooks for the guy, and he likes it and all, but... well... it's not like mom used to make. [11:31]
diana_coman: the burnt thing? [11:31]
mircea_popescu: girl goes nuts, spends a while trying everything. nothing catches. eventually has enough of the shit, stops caring, one day burns the food. [11:31]
diana_coman: aha [11:31]
mircea_popescu: JUST LIKE MOM USED TO MAKE!11 [11:31]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aha, teh burnt thing. [11:31]
diana_coman: I knew it but with previous wife thing [11:31]
mircea_popescu: ahs [11:32]
diana_coman: this is why I said earlier: they left for the "rich opportunities" not because "I can't stand this shit!" [11:32]
mircea_popescu: this, of course, from an alt-world where people don't esl and mothers cook or hang. [11:32]
diana_coman: they actually liked the shit very much [11:32]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman conceivably they left because nuclear family inhibited sexual maturation. [11:33]
diana_coman: or that can be [11:33]
mircea_popescu: people aren't really made to be wolves. this nonsense of "apartments", man+woman+kids dun work irl. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be woods to run dogs in and maids quarters to ravish maids in and stables to roll the peasantry in the hay and etcetera. [11:34]
diana_coman: hm, to me it sounds more that it's a case of "this nonsense of forcing peasantry and maids and dogs and whatnots to have their own apartments dun work" [11:39]
diana_coman: but whatever [11:39]
mircea_popescu: that also. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: too much partitioning with inadequately semi-permeable membranes [11:39]
Framedragger: trinque: wot.deedbot.org older ratings (from #bitcoin-otc et al.) gone? they were there just before. or is this intended? [11:58]
Framedragger: ah they're not gone from e.g. mp's page (but gone from mine). anyway, no rush / low priority (!!wot gives the full thing anyway) [12:01]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in natural fur, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b53def1efaf837feee8a1d4783069d2c/tumblr_nvdxstmuN21ttmek2o1_1280.jpg [12:08]
netmonk: hello [12:19]
mircea_popescu: hola [12:19]
mod6: hi [12:42]
mod6: So I collected 1.2Gb worth of data from FG. Which for the Advanced test I don't think would be a problem... about to do the `ent` & `dieharder` tests. [12:44]
mod6: asciilifeform: this is ok ya? ^ [12:44]
mircea_popescu: you gonna blog teh results ? [12:44]
mod6: yeah, i made a blog of all the basic results so far, complete with pics & thumbnails. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: nice [12:45]
mod6: i'll include the advanced test parts before publication. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: looking forward! [12:45]
mod6: :] [12:45]
asciilifeform: mod6: make sure to include your terminal settings [13:13]
asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, 1G+ -- the moar, the better, esp. for 'dieharder' [13:13]
mod6: cool. running dieharder now. [13:14]
mod6: my blog will cover everything from step 1-4 [13:15]
mod6: with pics [13:15]
mod6: well, i even added the unboxing pics in there too. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: excellent! [13:16]
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu , didja know that rando derp Could Be As Cool As Phuctor Even Though Never Finding Anything ? >> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets [13:18]
mircea_popescu: lmao [13:18]
asciilifeform: ( 'breaking into wallets' apparently consists of searching for sha1 puzzles ) [13:18]
mircea_popescu: hey, it got $random-spamsite linked here./ [13:18]
asciilifeform: hey, we linked timecube neh. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [13:19]
mod6: also, 406K+ blocks eaten, and into blk0032 nao [13:21]
mircea_popescu: did we do THE jizzdoll ? http://68.media.tumblr.com/377826a655939544e74b1ac5e5960e81/tumblr_nkswicJX8o1upy7peo1_400.gif [13:21]
asciilifeform: seems like they search for ripemd collisions, 'At the moment, the pool is looking for private key collisions of P2PKH addresses. We are looking only at addresses with funds on them (see below for the why) and at the moment there are around 9 million of these in use. The pool uses a probabilistic data structure called Bloom filter to do the checking for each newly generated hash160 against all of the known hash160 with funds on them.' [13:23]
asciilifeform: ( https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/man/theory ) [13:23]
asciilifeform: this is screamingly -ev vs., say, ordinary mining. [13:23]
asciilifeform: but apparently these folx dun care. [13:23]
asciilifeform: ( what is the motivation, i have nfi, probably the usual dekulakization itch ) [13:23]
mircea_popescu: my theory is different. let's expound : [13:24]
mircea_popescu: if you build a fictious world that is flat, which is to say, the opposite of tmsr, a world in which it dun matter who your daddy is and any $random-nick can have any idea whatosever, [13:24]
mircea_popescu: it then necessarily follows that existence is predicated not on existence but on speech. [13:24]
mircea_popescu: since in such a world any reasoning is conventionally impossible (as it'd enact hierarchy and bring the daddy issues they ran from in the first place front and center) [13:25]
mircea_popescu: it then follows that any speech is fundamentally equivalent to any other speech, and a volume of speech is a minimum requisite for existence at all times. [13:25]
mircea_popescu: we can checkpoint here and verify that this is a correct model by observing how exactly it predicts us-like "academia". [13:26]
mircea_popescu: now, in this situation, random item with delusions of agency (in "our democracy" terms "a person") is stuck with the following problem : [13:26]
trinque: Framedragger: maybe when I fixed the data for yours a few days / week ago, I fixed it too hard [13:26]
trinque: going to be out today I'll take a look soon [13:27]
mircea_popescu: given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is : [13:27]
trinque: I have all the original data [13:27]
asciilifeform: https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/trophies << quite different interpretation suggests itself -- they are 'princetonizing' the work of the 2014 folx who searched for reused nonces. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: either say something that's not in the list and get the points for existence found in the saying or say something already on the list, for less points. [13:27]
asciilifeform: and likewise promoting the notion that bitcoin can have 'rightful owner' who differs from the keyholder. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: as there's no OTHER dampener of the existence points outside of this scheme, you are guaranteed that in a flat world all the things will be said (and none of the things will be listened to) [13:27]
mircea_popescu: consequently, vice finds it +ev in those terms to maintain an item spuriously named "motherboard" in which to publish stuff like "the wallet collider consisting of a guy plucking wings off flies and dropping the maimed insect carcasses on his exposed glans penis." [13:28]
asciilifeform: ( and notice, there is a piece re 'cryptoguru.org' but never phuctor . ) [13:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vice is literally, precisely and exactly a google spam device, like taboola or whatever. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: all they're trying to do is arbitrage the click. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is what i currently use to epxlain random string production, like "motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets" or like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643409 or everything in between [13:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 02:23 asciilifeform: 'Mircea Popescu stole a large amount of BTC from BitBet.us prior to this...' << lol [13:31]
mircea_popescu: note, for extra lulz, that they are STILL "disagreeing" with "mp raped ethereum", no matter how well established that is. even as they are pushing the "mp stole from bitbet", no matter how ridoinculously unsupportable thart one is. why is this ? [13:32]
asciilifeform: it still doesn't explain why some frogs croak, others -- emit lolcats, but yet others -- faux phuctors [13:32]
mircea_popescu: for reasons of abhoring vacuum. the ethereum thing WAS ALREADY SAID, they can't count by saying it. the bitbet nonsense -- not so. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: it's what drives nubbins to nubbins, and all of these sad souls generally to wikipedia edit, quora answer etc. [13:32]
asciilifeform: ( btw bbet still dead!1111 ) [13:32]
mircea_popescu: a strange sort of livresque existentialism. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it needn't explain that. your physics dun explain why some K sits, some emits beta and some emits gamma. [13:33]
mircea_popescu: it's a random phenomenon, same root as brownian motion. [13:33]
asciilifeform: i thought nubbinsing was a more elementary 'there are no superior men! see, this one, he's a piece of shit just like me, i'll show how' [13:33]
mircea_popescu: plenty of them emit "sdflkgkljerytuio ewaoeru oi2ew" and the spellcheker turns that into words [13:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that's a later reinterpretation of the fgundamental "gotta say unsaid things to exist" [13:33]
mircea_popescu: much like "the color red" is an ulterior construction on photon interaction [13:34]
asciilifeform: plenty of nubbinses seem to be quite all right not saying much of anything, but only sitting and metabolizing their mcfood [13:34]
asciilifeform: they don't show up on the radar tho. [13:35]
mircea_popescu: which goes to prove the point. no speech, no existence. [13:36]
mircea_popescu: because how would they ? physical existence is racist. [13:36]
asciilifeform: they exist, presumably, for the mcfood dispensaries, the riot cops, 'professionals who deal for a living with the stinking poor' per mircea_popescu's old article [13:37]
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, it is fascinatingly easy to assemble ~voluntary~ arbitrary-code botnet [13:41]
asciilifeform: add basic flavouring, and idiots install your ???.exe [13:41]
asciilifeform: even will spend money to put it on better iron [13:41]
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zg1MF/?raw=true << deobfuscated perl from subj. he loads arbitrary extensions via -- yes -- plain ftp [13:42]
asciilifeform: to 'verify' -- get this -- he periodically asks ~hash of the perl src~ -- because it Would Be Wrong!111 apparently, to write a proggy that sends the right hash but runs Wrong logic.. [13:43]
asciilifeform: the one thing that is quite opaque to asciilifeform -- does somebody's head ~actually~ work like this ? or is this elaborate parody/mockery [13:44]
asciilifeform: in other lulznoose, 'Pennslyvania Avenue in front of the White House and Lafayette Park have been evacuated.' 'suspicious object' [13:55]
ben_vulpes: little 'lisp os' doesn't have its own c compiler, author makes "transpiler": https://github.com/froggey/Iota [13:55]
asciilifeform: where's the 'os' ben_vulpes ? [13:55]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pretty good reason to stay in florida [13:56]
asciilifeform: linked item is a llvm bytecode to cl translator ( undergrad homework ) [13:56]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'mezzano' [13:56]
doppler: they did a third demo recently [13:56]
asciilifeform: and why does it need to build llvm and clang ?! [13:56]
asciilifeform: what sort of 'lisp os' needs a massive c compiler ? [13:56]
asciilifeform: what is sdl graphics library (c) doing in there ? [13:57]
ben_vulpes: i am making very serious faces of 'no fucking idea' [13:57]
asciilifeform: what is 'This is a quick hack of Quake ported to the Simple DirectMedia Layer library' doing in there ? [13:57]
asciilifeform: how about doom1.wad (?!!) [13:57]
asciilifeform: did somebody just collect rubbish from old 1990s hdd and upload ?! [13:58]
asciilifeform: ok, looks like they are there so that 1) clang can build them to llvm bytecode 2) emulator then runs same. [13:59]
asciilifeform: still snoar. [13:59]
asciilifeform: what the fuck is the point of running a cl runtime so as to run llvm bytecode ? [13:59]
asciilifeform: 'yay! we finally can haz opaque blobs of liquishit running in our cl proggies!11111' [14:00]
ben_vulpes: i'm halfway curious about the cl it poops out [14:02]
asciilifeform: what kind of surprise does ben_vulpes expect ? [14:02]
asciilifeform: you can transform bytecode liquishit to whatever language, fortran, basic, if you like [14:03]
asciilifeform: will look quite similar. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all graduate heads work like that. [14:03]
asciilifeform: wtf is a graduate head [14:03]
mircea_popescu: this is what the piece of paper certifies. "person is to a large degree wilfully blind to sense to satisfy imperial conventions." [14:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyone who has a college degree. [14:03]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has degree. it is in a cardboard tube, in a broom closet, with mops, pans, old pcbs. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: yes, and every day of your life you are struggling against it. [14:04]
asciilifeform: lol [14:04]
asciilifeform: 'i forgot moar maths than you ever learned, maggots' (tm)(r)(prof. b) [14:04]
mircea_popescu: lmao a doom wad. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: did i mention i am having a very excellent time reading trilema logs ? because i am. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round up the previous thread : do not imagine you can enact yourself through saying. that magic dun work here. [14:14]
asciilifeform: i went out to the swamp and tried to tell this to the frogs, the cicadas, dun seem to have worked. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: heh [14:16]
asciilifeform: brekekekex. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: i have this cicada on the wall sounding exactly like my fan is going out on the wind-up phase. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: got me like 3x during a week [14:16]
asciilifeform: i bet it goes great with the dying hdd bird [14:16]
mircea_popescu: insanity you know. [14:16]
asciilifeform: speaking of hdd, now is probably not bad time to load up on ssds, if you use'em in any qty. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: oversupplied huh [14:17]
asciilifeform: before the koreans burn. [14:17]
asciilifeform: a 300 $ ssd could easily turn into a 30,000 $ . [14:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno if 30k, but 4-500 mebbe. [14:18]
mircea_popescu: happened recently didn't it. coupla years ago. [14:18]
asciilifeform: that was mechanical disks, when, iirc, taiwan flood [14:19]
mircea_popescu: yep [14:19]
asciilifeform: ssd landscape is far sadder, ~nobody but s. kr makes serious flash roms. [14:19]
asciilifeform: any moar. [14:19]
asciilifeform: ~monopoly. [14:19]
asciilifeform: ( you will see non-kr brand marks, but the internals are samsung ) [14:20]
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bbet.jpg [14:27]
asciilifeform: ^ 5min ago [14:27]
asciilifeform: didjaknow. [14:28]
asciilifeform: 'BitBet is the premier Bitcoin casino, offering its players all of their favorite casino games like Blackjack, Roulette and Craps.' [14:28]
mircea_popescu: afaik that's ancient. [14:35]
asciilifeform: hm. [14:35]
asciilifeform: the actual bbet no longer appearing at all -- is afaik not ancient [14:36]
mircea_popescu: ah [14:36]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure if you go offline for 2-3 days google drops the listing [14:45]
asciilifeform: yeah [14:51]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, box from which ssh bruteforce all day, http://62.75.216.148 << shows live footage from... a church, and 0 text [14:57]
asciilifeform: and, http://62.75.216.148:8088 << 'admin' / 'admin' [14:58]
asciilifeform: logs you in. [14:59]
mircea_popescu: heh [14:59]
mircea_popescu: so what's w say [14:59]
asciilifeform: pw now 'trilema'. [14:59]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:00]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect whoever is trying to make botnet via ssh bruteforce uses these via whatever pore pw changhe won't do much. [15:02]
asciilifeform: didn't expect it would. [15:02]
asciilifeform: the interesting q is, which pore. [15:02]
mircea_popescu: you can prolly find it if you care to run a netstat or such [15:03]
asciilifeform: 0 sportsmanship. [15:03]
mircea_popescu: the point of life is 0 sportsmanship. [15:03]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, [15:05]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform -- 'find granite beads' pet: 'found, on etsy' asciilifeform : 'buy' [15:05]
mircea_popescu: im sending the nuclear waste crew towards end of april ? [15:08]
mircea_popescu: "how to turn bed, bath and beyond into a reliable supplier of uranium pellets" by alf the beedog. [15:08]
mod6: heheh [15:09]
asciilifeform: the funny bit is, in usa you can generally buy, e.g., actual uranium oxide (not by the kg, but can buy, easier than, say, gunpowder.) but it'd be quite useless for ~mass~ rng. [15:09]
asciilifeform: because will get through no post office. [15:09]
mircea_popescu: it's so sad and unfortunate it's kcl and not say cocaine. [15:09]
asciilifeform: lol cocainerng [15:11]
mircea_popescu: you know ? [15:11]
mircea_popescu: "i'm only buying it for the articles!" [15:11]
asciilifeform: i imagine it'd be a bottle of cocaine and a toggle. you give cocaine to aficionado, then give him the toggle, to press. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: no i mean, it copuld be in sf world the case that cocaine has K in it and nothing else does or w/e such sane reason. [15:12]
asciilifeform: ( incidentally -- FUCKGOATS worx ok (if very slowly) with toggles instead of analogue rng modules. ) [15:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we almost live in that world -- tobacco is in some place so 'hot' that you can take 'autoradiograph' of it, plain old film, no xray lamp [15:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally in the same vein : everyone's probably familiar with the electronic muscle contractors from forced orgasm / workout footage. but the equivalent item excists as detector not efectuator. put on girl, fuck her, voila. "this is the key of your passion, honey." [15:13]
asciilifeform: myograph [15:14]
asciilifeform: i have one here. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: aha [15:14]
asciilifeform: (doesn't everybody) [15:14]
mircea_popescu: depends. [15:14]
asciilifeform: definitely not a low-tech item tho, quite a bit moar complex than plain old analogue rng [15:14]
asciilifeform: point of toggle, is the simplicity [15:15]
mircea_popescu: i thought point here was to fuck around. [15:15]
asciilifeform: secondarily. [15:15]
mircea_popescu: and in other spuria, http://68.media.tumblr.com/be65019af60f45d5bf8612d8af5cc7b3/tumblr_n2dl4vcmgh1qmqccso1_1280.jpg [15:15]
asciilifeform: ( the difference between 'fuck around' and r&d -- is that you oughta have some notion of what you're doing and take notes. that way, directional, ratchet, rather than brownian walk.) [15:16]
mircea_popescu: aha [15:16]
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, et. al.: My unboxing and testing of a randomly selected FG shipped to me: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/ [16:56]
mircea_popescu: 8.000000 huh. [17:06]
mod6: aha [17:07]
mircea_popescu: lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ? [17:07]
mircea_popescu: mod6 epic business, nicelydone. [17:07]
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu [17:08]
diana_coman: I really enjoyed reading this account of unboxing and testing the FG thank you, mod6 [17:12]
mod6: diana_coman: thanks, yw! [17:17]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ? << I should note, I hope the pics of this arn't too misleading. if you like at the actual text output, there are only 2 'WEAK' tests, which are: [17:34]
mod6: # The file file_input_raw was rewound 118 times rgb_lagged_sum| 23| 1000000| 100|0.00063764| WEAK [17:34]
mod6: and [17:34]
mod6: # The file file_input_raw was rewound 194 times rgb_lagged_sum| 31| 1000000| 100|0.00000479| WEAK [17:35]
mod6: Ima run the dieharder again as `dieharder -a -g 201 -f fg.bin`, and see if I get the same results. [17:36]
mod6: So in total from the dieharder: 112 PASSED, 2 WEAK [17:40]
mircea_popescu: no idea why the rgb lagged sum should fail. would have to read the code. [17:41]
mod6: yah, same. [17:41]
mod6: i may dig into that more at some point here. [17:41]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "discorsi da letto", http://68.media.tumblr.com/3078d04a4dc0167dc34e287354199615/tumblr_odbop0GV6m1vvuoufo1_500.gif [18:02]
asciilifeform: mod6: certain % of the time, test 'weak' and , rarely, 'fail' ( simply means that author of dh decided that given result falls out of uniform distrib. range.) [18:04]
asciilifeform: NOW if it happens with all of the units in mod6 's parcel, and ~every~ run -- then problem. [18:05]
asciilifeform: /me not read mod6 's post yet [18:05]
mircea_popescu: yes but prolly this should be reviewed. [18:06]
asciilifeform: ftr no fg ships that reports a fail, or a 'weak' in any test consistently (2+ 1G runs.) [18:07]
asciilifeform: (reject pile has half dozen analogue boards in it, presently) [18:09]
asciilifeform: mod6: tested one unit only ? [18:09]
mod6: yeah, just one randomly selected unit. [18:10]
mod6: I re-ran the dh on the same fg.bin file (~1.2Gb) and the 'WEAK' tests were exactly the same ones, with exactly the same output values. [18:10]
mod6: The only entire difference in the two runs was the rands/second at the top. [18:11]
asciilifeform: on same file?! [18:11]
mod6: Yah, will show... [18:11]
asciilifeform: does 0!! [18:11]
asciilifeform: dh is deterministic [18:11]
asciilifeform: uses file as 'rng' [18:11]
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit [18:11]
mircea_popescu: yeah, same file same results. [18:11]
asciilifeform: same as if you ran ent twice [18:12]
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nch5g/?raw=true [18:12]
mod6: anyway, just wanted to be /sure/ that I wasn't getting some sort of varient test results from the dh. [18:13]
asciilifeform: mod6: see above [18:13]
mod6: got it. [18:13]
mod6: I'll test all of my other units in this same fashion too. [18:13]
asciilifeform: also i recommend to test every unit, aha [18:13]
asciilifeform: it takes, what, a day. [18:14]
mod6: apparently 157385 seconds [18:14]
asciilifeform: i tested in batches of 7. [18:14]
asciilifeform: bbl [18:15]
mod6: ok thx! [18:15]
BingoBoingo: !!up jhvh1` [19:36]
deedbot: jhvh1` voiced for 30 minutes. [19:36]
BingoBoingo: !~tslb [19:36]
jhvh1`: BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 2 seconds [19:36]
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats [19:37]
jhvh1`: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 462057 | Current Difficulty: 5.20808749422E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 463679 | Next Difficulty In: 1622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [19:37]
mircea_popescu: eh wtf. [20:10]
asciilifeform: at last. [23:12]
asciilifeform: incidentally i'd be curious to hear if anybody's ever seen a dieharder output on something that isn't a prng or prng-whitened trng, that consistently produced no 'weak'. [23:24]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 , et al ^ [23:24]
asciilifeform: ( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. ) [23:26]
asciilifeform: and spiffy scope, mod6 [23:32]
asciilifeform: ( he has the next model after asciilifeform's , looks like ) [23:32]
mats: herro [23:38]
asciilifeform: ohai mats [23:38]
asciilifeform: how goes ? [23:38]
mats: carpal tunnel's a bitch [23:38]
asciilifeform: ugh [23:39]
asciilifeform: i assume tried the traditional cures, didn't help ? [23:39]
mats: https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise-true-random-number-generator i have one of these and creator says whitening's built into the driver, so you could give that a shot or wait for me to do it [23:39]
mats: after recompiling driver [23:40]
asciilifeform: i'd much prefer to try a device that doesn't pick up voice of america [23:40]
asciilifeform: (linked item is wholly unshielded and has no digital/analogue plane separation at all) [23:40]
mats: ic. [23:42]
mats: i've tried sleeping supine, slathering bengay, eating ~800mg of ibuprofen, splints, setting 30min interval alarms when i needa type continuously for hours, and giving up computing after hours -- has helped [23:43]
asciilifeform: afaik only the last one worx [23:43]
mats: but it flares up now and again and i'm useless [23:43]
asciilifeform: dun have to be 'computing', but conventional keyboard - yes [23:43]
BingoBoingo: I don't see topical diclofenac on that list! [23:44]
mats: some things i've run into during my leave that i thought you folks might find a passing interest in: [23:44]
mats: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mules.pdf [23:45]
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . ) [23:45]
mats: https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck static analysis for bash scripts [23:45]
mats: http://archive.is/ny36f some guy's compilation of pgp weirdness [23:45]
mats: http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html i might've seen this here, not sure: 'rise and fall of Lisp at the Jet Propulsion Lab' [23:47]
asciilifeform: the 'pgp oddities' is in the logz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900083 [23:47]
a111: Logged on 2014-10-28 12:42 jurov: sauce: http://www.angelfire.com/pr/pgpf/pgpoddities.html [23:47]
asciilifeform: ditto erran gatt's piece [23:47]
asciilifeform: https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck 's recommendation of 'flycheck' is unconscionable : [23:48]
asciilifeform: !#s flycheck [23:48]
a111: 58 results for "flycheck", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flycheck [23:48]
asciilifeform: the 'mules' piece i read, and wondered why it does not discuss the people actually fucked by cc fraud (vendors) and instead dwells on the people not-fucked-at-all (banks) [23:49]
asciilifeform: typically there is not a separated 'mule', e.g., 'amazon' is the mule. [23:50]
asciilifeform: but -- wb mats ! [23:53]
asciilifeform: mats: didja ever become a reverser like you wanted to ? [23:53]
mats: in a prior piece, the authors do mention the disproportionately large burden that small bidnesses have, as their losses aren't covered by 'Regulation E': https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/everythingYouKnow.pdf [23:53]
mats: asciilifeform: sadly no. still on the five year plan. [23:54]
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