Forum logs for 14 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	wink wink nudge nudge	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504	[00:02]
ozbot	Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	check it out, another "first"	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	with options and shit.	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood	[00:09]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	wait what!	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2}	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood	[00:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up	[00:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	.d	[00:12]
ozbot	6.120 billion \| Next Diff in 674 blocks \| Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s	[00:12]
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ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty: 7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)	[00:13]
ThickAsThieves	from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.	[00:14]
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ThickAsThieves	it's getting tough to tell now	[00:14]
ThickAsThieves	at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	that point being right abnout now lol.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?	[00:16]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets stats	[00:16]
ThickAsThieves	you just like seeing boners in in your ta	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	also possible.	[00:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2}	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure New blood	[00:25]
gribble	Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure 1 New blood	[00:25]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.	[00:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4}	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate tomservo 1 New blood	[00:28]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	!up garret	[00:28]
assbot	Voicing garret for 30 minutes.	[00:28]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?	[00:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:29]
jurov	ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1	[00:29]
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jurov	oh i should update prices/dividends	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]	[00:30]
davout	the voice system sort of works like this https://xkcd.com/481/	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	btw, you ever seen les veinards ?	[00:33]
davout	no	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[00:34]
assbot	Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.	[00:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3}	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	it's my favourite french comedy for today	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	!up AltcoinAce	[00:34]
assbot	Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	;;topic	[00:34]
gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!	[00:34]
AltcoinAce	interesting	[00:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10}	[00:35]
davout	i'll put it on my list	[00:35]
jurov	AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?	[00:35]
AltcoinAce	Im just a trader	[00:35]
AltcoinAce	tis all	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2}	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	AltcoinAce what do you trade ?	[00:36]
AltcoinAce	currently focusing on alts and btc	[00:36]
AltcoinAce	Im working with some ppl	[00:36]
AltcoinAce	and learning before I move up to other stuff	[00:36]
AltcoinAce	will be trading forex soon	[00:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8}	[00:37]
AltcoinAce	but crpyto is a good market to be in right now	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	sounds good.	[00:37]
AltcoinAce	everyday you can make 10-500% profit	[00:37]
AltcoinAce	doesnt happen in most markets haha	[00:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2}	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	!t h hif	[00:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)	[00:40]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate novusordo 1 New blood	[00:43]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up	[00:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:43]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls	[00:45]
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kanzure	ouch: 14:45 You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure 1 New blood	[00:46]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.	[00:46]
kanzure	exciting	[00:47]
jurov	;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github	[00:47]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	!down jurov	[00:48]
assbot	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	awww!	[00:48]
jurov	lol	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks	[00:48]
kanzure	what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?	[00:49]
jurov	;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github	[00:49]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.	[00:49]
kanzure	eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	kanzure in [-10, 10]	[00:49]
jurov	;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github	[00:49]
gribble	Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.	[00:49]
kanzure	gribble is a hater	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	he's just got his integrity.	[00:50]
jurov	you can't have fractional trust or distrust	[00:50]
kanzure	so i should read this as '10 trusts'?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?	[00:50]
bounce	pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	so round.	[00:51]
jurov	kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat	[00:51]
bounce	then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?	[00:52]
jurov	what's biblical notion of round?	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/70aa104a77459cd6d4986f9008307a47/tumblr_mlpy1jO2hV1qcgltko1_500.jpg	[00:53]
jurov	oh that was the answer? mkay	[00:54]
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bounce	1 kings 7 verse 23	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2}	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	"Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more	[00:59]
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mircea_popescu	you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	it just dun compute this.	[01:01]
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ThickAsThieves	as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	!up Tiraspol	[01:02]
assbot	Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.	[01:02]
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Tiraspol	O_o	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	nice name :p	[01:03]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D	[01:05]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...	[01:05]
kakobrekla	she was behind aurora?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.	[01:06]
kakobrekla	aha	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	"market cap"	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	AUR just below it	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	such success. much well done.	[01:11]
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ThickAsThieves	meanwhile doge sitting at $27m	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	Altcoin still not on the list	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again	[01:12]
asciilifeform	http://bindshell.nl/epixoip/cloudflare_key.png	[01:12]
asciilifeform	from:	[01:12]
asciilifeform	https://gist.github.com/silky/10577464	[01:12]
ozbot	cloudflare_challenge	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tweeted it :D	[01:13]
asciilifeform	a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	i like teh pic.	[01:14]
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asciilifeform	wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	moar like warning shot.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?	[01:16]
asciilifeform	nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.	[01:17]
joecool	!up	[01:17]
assbot	Need a nickname, joecool.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	!up urmom	[01:17]
assbot	Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.	[01:17]
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asciilifeform	shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.	[01:20]
mod6	kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?	[01:21]
asciilifeform	the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)	[01:21]
kakobrekla	mod6 no	[01:21]
mod6	ok	[01:21]
asciilifeform	it's to 'bake terrorists'	[01:21]
asciilifeform	create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	2 is much better.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it	[01:22]
kakobrekla	knows	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	kako knoes	[01:22]
bounce	baking is terrism now?	[01:22]
asciilifeform	;;google new york death ray plot	[01:22]
gribble	Assassination threats against Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Build Mobile Death Ray \| Global ...: ; New York men arrested for building death ray machine in plot to kill ...: (1 more message)	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	jhahahaha what	[01:23]
asciilifeform	classic product of the bakery.	[01:23]
mod6	ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	"In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"	[01:23]
mod6	Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?	[01:23]
bounce	not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?	[01:24]
bounce	and get paid by both sides, why not	[01:24]
asciilifeform	a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?	[01:25]
asciilifeform	and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units	[01:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not afaik.	[01:25]
bounce	the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs	[01:25]
bounce	s/waht/what/	[01:26]
asciilifeform	*strela	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.	[01:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7}	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.	[01:27]
asciilifeform	the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.	[01:27]
bounce	hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is strela	[01:27]
asciilifeform	;;google strela rocket	[01:27]
gribble	Strela (rocket) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Russian Strela rocket launches Kondor satellite \| NASASpaceFlight ...:	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	uh why do they want a rocket ?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain	[01:28]
asciilifeform	devil only knows	[01:28]
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asciilifeform	;;google strela manpad	[01:28]
gribble	Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Man-portable air-defense systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; SA-7 GRAIL (9K32M Strela-2):	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	that one.	[01:28]
bounce	oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	not the fat rocket. the thin one.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	even so	[01:28]
asciilifeform	comes with tube.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	analogous to american 'stinger'	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	not that analoguous	[01:29]
bounce	this one then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2	[01:29]
asciilifeform	that one.	[01:29]
bounce	strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits	[01:30]
asciilifeform	yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.	[01:30]
bounce	not the antitank thingy with the big head?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	bounce this is an surface-to-air thing	[01:31]
asciilifeform	if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.	[01:31]
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asciilifeform	re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.	[01:33]
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asciilifeform	the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	(and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	these days i guess.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	!up punkman	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate punkman 1 New blood	[01:38]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'	[01:38]
asciilifeform	year later, drone strike, medals.	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla 137 : 92.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	mwahahaha	[01:40]
asciilifeform	this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	sure was.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	help state fight defense and so forth	[01:41]
asciilifeform	anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?	[01:41]
asciilifeform	ages ago.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	can't say that i personally tested.	[01:42]
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asciilifeform	but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.	[01:42]
asciilifeform	ye read it here phurst (tm).	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	how would you test such a thing.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	"20% of everything women says includes subtext"	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	well... gl ?	[01:44]
asciilifeform	almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.	[01:44]
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asciilifeform	simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.	[01:44]
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asciilifeform	extract, test for known file headers	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	----BEGIN	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	etc	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits	[01:45]
asciilifeform	stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.	[01:46]
asciilifeform	the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.	[01:47]
asciilifeform	then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.	[01:48]
asciilifeform	or we shall be told that they do.	[01:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]	[01:49]
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asciilifeform	http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm	[01:58]
asciilifeform	(good intro to subject)	[01:58]
bounce	for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	(don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)	[01:58]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu 92 ??	[01:59]
kakobrekla	you mean 123	[01:59]
kakobrekla	if i was a whore id be at 200+	[02:00]
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kakobrekla	now im just an idiot.	[02:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	i was on the sent tab for some reason	[02:19]
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jurov	http://hugelolcdn.com/i/264763.gif	[02:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/	[02:51]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	2 months away is like... 4-5 periods	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	.d	[02:51]
ozbot	6.120 billion \| Next Diff in 663 blocks \| Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s	[02:51]
Apocalyptic	dat diff	[02:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 14/6.12	[02:52]
gribble	2.28758169935	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.23**4	[02:52]
gribble	2.28886641	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.	[02:52]
cgcardona_	the difficulty is freaking exploding.	[02:54]
cgcardona_	no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.	[02:54]
kakobrekla	cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders	[02:55]
cgcardona_	kakobrekla: ah, good point	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.194**6	[02:56]
gribble	2.89751678698	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	still 19% seems a push.	[02:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]	[02:56]
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JorgePasada	Heyo :-)	[02:58]
JorgePasada	Thanks for the voice	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:59]
cgcardona_	this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.	[02:59]
cgcardona_	usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag	[02:59]
cgcardona_	imo	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	interesting	[03:00]
JorgePasada	:-)	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	kinda the same here no ?	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you	[03:00]
JorgePasada	That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks	[03:00]
JorgePasada	bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case	[03:00]
cgcardona_	the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	eh what the hey.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.	[03:01]
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mircea_popescu	tsk. get in the wot will you.	[03:01]
cgcardona_	my point exactly ^	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, "a barrister"	[03:01]
cgcardona_	as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?	[03:02]
kakobrekla	just dont mention purses.	[03:02]
cgcardona_	ha	[03:02]
cgcardona_	#purses-assets	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	the bitcoin pourse ?	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	no wait. the pitcoin pourse	[03:03]
artifexd	kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?	[03:06]
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kakobrekla	AND ITS NOT 92	[03:06]
kakobrekla	dammit.	[03:06]
artifexd	Ok. Still... what is it about?	[03:07]
kakobrekla	im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1	[03:08]
artifexd	Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123	[03:11]
kakobrekla	:D	[03:12]
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artifexd	137:124	[03:14]
kakobrekla	awww, ty. 13 to go.	[03:14]
kakobrekla	lemme grab two socks real quick.	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?	[03:28]
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mircea_popescu	and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha	[03:30]
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asciilifeform	from the freakshow:	[03:47]
asciilifeform	http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html	[03:47]
asciilifeform	(in all major languages!)	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/	[03:54]
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thestringpuller	;;seen mod6	[04:00]
gribble	mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.	[04:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]	[04:04]
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thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/	[04:09]
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cgcardona_	This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL	[04:45]
cgcardona_	the network effect of finance	[04:45]
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kakobrekla	http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg	[05:06]
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TestingUnoDosTre	^isn't that a joke	[05:11]
TestingUnoDosTre	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved	[05:12]
ozbot	Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube	[05:12]
kakobrekla	nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.	[05:13]
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mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol	[05:16]
cgcardona_	not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.	[05:16]
cgcardona_	the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.	[05:16]
cgcardona_	i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread	[05:17]
TestingUnoDosTre	Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D	[05:18]
cgcardona_	i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days	[05:18]
cgcardona_	green line which is the green line <----huh?	[05:18]
cgcardona_	*which is the unique addresses used per day	[05:18]
kakobrekla	i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.	[05:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:21]
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cgcardona_	yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)	[05:22]
cgcardona_	*don't get me wrong	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	me either, but neither are science.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit	[05:23]
cgcardona_	it's funny how IRC is still the best social network (forgive the term)	[05:23]
cgcardona_	it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.	[05:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0178997 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"	[05:25]
thestringpuller	22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is still the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one	[05:25]
TestingUnoDosTre	hahaha	[05:25]
cgcardona_	was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip	[05:25]
cgcardona_	the ascii art is off the hook	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.	[05:26]
cgcardona_	there's still quite a few boards out there.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	im impatient	[05:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?	[05:26]
joecool	probably the private key extraction challenge	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg	[05:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.	[05:27]
cgcardona_	classic.	[05:27]
TestingUnoDosTre	oooo gotcha	[05:27]
joecool	should get his number, call to make a reservation	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.	[05:27]
cgcardona_	now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	loose tie'd never work	[05:28]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.	[05:32]
ozbot	BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	and these are the "successes".	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Xobni ?!	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	280 North ?!	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	i mean holy shit.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."	[05:34]
cgcardona_	omgpop	[05:34]
cgcardona_	what about heroku?	[05:34]
cgcardona_	they're pretty cool IMO.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	would you pay $100 for anything they do ?	[05:35]
cgcardona_	sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce	[05:35]
cgcardona_	i pay them about $40 a month	[05:35]
cgcardona_	so yea	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	you do ?	[05:35]
cgcardona_	i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated	[05:36]
cgcardona_	for the ssl endpoints I pay	[05:36]
cgcardona_	haha	[05:36]
cgcardona_	says the bitlord	[05:36]
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cgcardona_	i doubt your antiquated	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here	[05:36]
cgcardona_	haha	[05:36]
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mircea_popescu	lemme see maybe i have a link	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056	[05:38]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[05:38]
cgcardona_	ouch	[05:38]
joecool	ruby on rails, it's the hipster way™	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	how about all the other 60 shits in that list!	[05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre	I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[05:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00095977 = 6.823 BTC [-]	[05:41]
cgcardona_	lol. fucking classic	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?	[05:41]
cgcardona_	"it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of costanza's investment.	[05:41]
cgcardona_	and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X	[05:41]
cgcardona_	think of the good times ahead	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-05.shtml	[05:42]
ozbot	Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	GEORGE: It’s called Sendrax. They’ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	ELAINE: Televising opera?	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.	[05:42]
joecool	hmm whatever happened to tradehill	[05:42]
TestingUnoDosTre	Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./	[05:43]
TestingUnoDosTre	Wait, why is that?	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."	[05:44]
joecool	i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.	[05:45]
TestingUnoDosTre	ahhhh	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."	[05:45]
cgcardona_	MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	i reiterate. the above was... a success ?	[05:46]
cgcardona_	hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ it can not.	[05:46]
cgcardona_	perma-broke?	[05:46]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?	[05:46]
cgcardona_	borked	[05:46]
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mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	apparently... phones are an app now.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	or in other words... penis.	[05:50]
cgcardona_	": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic	[05:50]
cgcardona_	that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^	[05:50]
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artifexd	For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale: http://i.imgur.com/IFbIx3C.png	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	"munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"	[05:51]
cgcardona_	yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	there, we have a logo	[05:51]
cgcardona_	haha nice	[05:51]
artifexd	I guess if you shift it, it could fit.	[05:51]
cgcardona_	;;rate artifexd 1 for science	[05:52]
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cgcardona_	nice work artifexd	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.	[05:52]
artifexd	For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x): http://i.imgur.com/oplWqjI.png	[05:52]
artifexd	Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.	[05:53]
cgcardona_	looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward	[05:53]
TestingUnoDosTre	is that the logo for Munch on me?	[05:53]
cgcardona_	hahaha	[05:53]
cgcardona_	ties it together	[05:53]
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artifexd	Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	shit	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa	[05:56]
cgcardona_	data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.	[05:57]
artifexd	graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	that's gonna be my slogan for a while.	[05:58]
cgcardona_	mp. talks in 3rd person	[05:58]
cgcardona_	thats a good slogan too	[05:58]
artifexd	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong	[05:58]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.	[06:00]
artifexd	Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/78Rz5KL.gif << look from 700 to say 900	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	roughly it may be, but similar not.	[06:01]
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cgcardona_	i see your point. on a log scale	[06:02]
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mircea_popescu	on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.	[06:02]
dub	this is lame	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	hey dubsy!	[06:03]
dub	ahoy	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	dub so what's so lame about it ?	[06:03]
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dub	lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."	[06:04]
cgcardona_	sounds like it could be huge	[06:04]
cgcardona_	these kids today and their "cell phones"	[06:04]
cgcardona_	fund em	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	dub trick question.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	"a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.	[06:07]
artifexd	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit	[06:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up zoinky	[06:09]
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mircea_popescu	Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.	[06:12]
TestingUnoDosTre	;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers	[06:12]
gribble	Error: 'knows' is not a valid integer.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	sold out for 8mn	[06:12]
TestingUnoDosTre	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers	[06:12]
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mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does	[06:13]
TestingUnoDosTre	seriously?	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[06:13]
artifexd	It's a veritable rate-fest in here.	[06:13]
TestingUnoDosTre	I'm looking to start a blog on climate science	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	good niche.	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	huge shortage of words on that topic	[06:13]
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TestingUnoDosTre	I was joking as well	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.	[06:16]
TestingUnoDosTre	all of them!	[06:17]
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cgcardona_	YC = £u£$	[06:19]
cgcardona_	they do it for the lulz ^	[06:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.587 BTC [-]	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[06:21]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 410.62, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 12445.68945649, 24 hour low: 397.16, 24 hour high: 427.75, 24 hour vwap: 410.365466491	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491	[06:21]
gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491	[06:21]
gribble	445.357894178	[06:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0645 = 0.645 BTC [+]	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.	[06:21]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment	[06:22]
cgcardona_	I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin	[06:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	It wasn't RIGHT before	[06:23]
cgcardona_	*made some coin	[06:23]
cgcardona_	i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?	[06:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet	[06:23]
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TestingUnoDosTre	My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	so like 10 hours early.	[06:24]
TestingUnoDosTre	yep	[06:24]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/list-of-victims-of-their-own-success.102679/	[06:25]
ozbot	List of Victims of Their Own Success \| Bitcointa.lk	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	(for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"	[06:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.596 BTC [+]	[06:27]
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TestingUnoDosTre	this under 300 bet is very intruiging	[06:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]	[06:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they’ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We’re done here, we’ve won.)	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/	[06:32]
ozbot	Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce	[06:32]
mod6	heh, its up almost 10TH/s	[06:33]
mod6	*10k	[06:34]
artifexd	How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	apparently i got my own nsa	[06:36]
TestingUnoDosTre	lol	[06:37]
TestingUnoDosTre	should I be laughing or not?	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!	[06:37]
mod6	night	[06:38]
artifexd	If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)	[06:38]
benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.	[06:39]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:39]
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benkay	artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.	[06:43]
benkay	sam altman running y combinator	[06:46]
benkay	graham tire of the derp circus?	[06:46]
artifexd	Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.	[06:46]
asciilifeform	gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.	[06:47]
asciilifeform	yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.	[06:48]
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benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits	[06:50]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:50]
asciilifeform	see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog	[06:50]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get a voice, a permission to speak, first authorize with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WOT account, you may politely ask one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[14:18]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla good move on the assbot pm	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	maybe s/To get a voice, a permission to speak/To get voice (ie, to be able to speak),	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	actually,	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[14:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up los_pantalones	[14:35]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones you teh twitter guy ?	[14:35]
dexX7	"The same bug also affected the forum. Changing your forum password is recommended." on btctalk.. is this msg new?	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 you may be the last one using .org, people kinda moved to .lk	[14:36]
dexX7	i don't like the .lk design	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	what's wrong with it ? (just curious, i dun do forums anyway)	[14:37]
dexX7	it's too flashy and colorful	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[14:37]
los_pantalones	yo yo mircaea_popescu	[14:37]
los_pantalones	i am the twitter guy	[14:38]
dexX7	or maybe it's only because i'm too used to the original	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	;;rate los_pantalones 1 New blood	[14:38]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[14:38]
los_pantalones	a man in tight pants, who likely shouldn't be	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	so pastebin that thing if it's not secret	[14:38]
los_pantalones	yeah, i'm a noobie	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	and also, you know ben panced ?	[14:38]
los_pantalones	not a secret, it's a logical disagreement	[14:38]
los_pantalones	no, i do not	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	;;google cow and chicken "the red guy"	[14:38]
gribble	Red Guy - Cow and Chicken Wiki: ; Cow and Chicken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Red Guy Compilation (Reupload/Speedy) - YouTube:	[14:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06699997 = 0.536 BTC [+]	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	one of the best cartoon characters of all time. always naked from the waist down, always funny pants reference names, a whole pants thing	[14:39]
los_pantalones	well, i look just like al gore iii in his mugshot	[14:39]
los_pantalones	so that works too	[14:39]
los_pantalones	give me a sec to get stuff up	[14:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06699997 = 0.335 BTC [+]	[14:39]
los_pantalones	but the basic premise is that price bets are not a binary event, they lose probability over time	[14:40]
los_pantalones	quicker than say something like "will there be a gay player in baseball by august 10th"	[14:40]
los_pantalones	that bet can hit all the way to the last day	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	no worry,	[14:40]
los_pantalones	whereas a price bet requires time to work towards a goal	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	i've been trying to write an article the past half hour, so, i can use the break	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	take your time	[14:40]
los_pantalones	so the longer it's not near the event the lower the prob of it occuring	[14:40]
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mircea_popescu	and i brb.	[14:40]
los_pantalones	k	[14:40]
BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com let us understand mutual betting together	[14:48]
gribble	Let's understand mutual betting together pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; ZoneHedge Wow. Such Durden. Much info. About useless. pe ...: ; Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog ...:	[14:48]
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los_pantalones	mircea_popescu this is admittedly from the first time i looked at the contracts	[14:57]
los_pantalones	was getting my head around them	[14:57]
los_pantalones	but	[14:58]
los_pantalones	here's the email	[14:58]
los_pantalones	http://pastebin.com/VWcdtLXh	[14:58]
ozbot	bitbet time decay - Pastebin.com	[14:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 230 @ 0.00150656 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {4}	[14:59]
los_pantalones	i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/	[15:02]
ozbot	The elitism memory hole effect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:02]
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fluffypony	jurov: someone's squatting your nick	[15:06]
fluffypony	jurovv	[15:06]
fluffypony	[14:06:55] jurovv has userhost ~jme823@pool-71-126-42-170.pitbpa.east.verizon.net and real name "nunyo"	[15:07]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2013#404631	[15:07]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	(see the prev day too, it was a lengthy discussion)	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	!up los_pantalones	[15:08]
assbot	Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	also to voice yourself, id with gribble an pm assbot !up	[15:08]
los_pantalones	yeah, learning the ropes here	[15:09]
los_pantalones	trying to follow your rules	[15:09]
los_pantalones	i'll try to get something more concrete for you	[15:09]
los_pantalones	have any experience w/ black-scholes ?	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.	[15:10]
los_pantalones	ha, MY BAD	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	you can assume complete and absolute comprehension on the part of -assets, like you were talking to god.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	then if i don't understand wtf you're saying ima ask somebody to read it to me.	[15:11]
los_pantalones	i had forgotten	[15:11]
los_pantalones	welp, let me see if i can put something coherent together in the next couple days	[15:11]
los_pantalones	can i ask if you are pro/anti the accelerated decay argument?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	no rush.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	never mind me, argue it for itself.	[15:12]
los_pantalones	yeah, of course, was curious	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	i can see either side.	[15:12]
los_pantalones	k	[15:12]
los_pantalones	that brk_a settles in march 2015 ?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	Resolution:	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	in 11 months 6 days (17-03-2015)	[15:13]
los_pantalones	tanks	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	a good approach, perhaps, would be to create a class of similar bets and follow them over the history of brk.a	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	to leverage the fact that we have a 50 year history of price signal in that asset.	[15:14]
los_pantalones	i was going to find the optimal time to bet	[15:15]
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los_pantalones	and see if that would critically impact other prior bets	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	or thay	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	that*	[15:15]
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los_pantalones	k, thanks for the 60 minutes of fun	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	!up dvsdude	[15:17]
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dvsdude	ty	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you see that ? "thanks for the 60 minutes of fun" the man says. why can't you be more like that!	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/11/irs-seizing-tax-refunds-children-grandchildren-over-parents-decades-old-de	[15:18]
ozbot	IRS Seizing Tax Refunds of Children, Grandchildren Over Parents' Decades-Old Debts \| Fox News Inside	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	in other news.	[15:19]
BingoBoingo	Well, there's also the standoff in Utah between government forces and a local militia	[15:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00096593 = 0.9176 BTC [+]	[15:19]
BingoBoingo	but I think asciilifeform posted that this weekend	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	yeah, didn't the blm leave ?	[15:20]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/12/cliven_bundy_feds_halt_nevada_cattle_seizure.html	[15:21]
ozbot	Cliven Bundy: Feds halt Nevada cattle seizure.	[15:21]
BingoBoingo	Looks like it, or at least they are "pausing" it	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	it's what i'd do too. if the guy takes the cattle away, problem solved. if he doesn't, then by definition they'll still be there,	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	can resume at a later time, when teh people have had time to grind themselves down.	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	not that it'll work, but that's the very substance of statal collapse : reasonable measures no longer actually work.	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	At least it is a very different thing so far than what would have happened in the 90's	[15:22]
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mircea_popescu	very. cause everyone is comparing it to the waco thing.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	well... there were no thousands of armed people marching on waco from six states	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	and the texas governor wasn't going omgwtfbbq at the feds.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, that WAS the end of the atf.	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	Well, prolly Ruby Ridge	[15:23]
*	danielpbarron has been to Waco	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	during ? or after ?	[15:24]
BingoBoingo	I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.	[15:25]
danielpbarron	after	[15:25]
danielpbarron	i visited a different false church that was coincidentally located in Waco	[15:25]
BingoBoingo	Waco's a pretty big town	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	well i never been to waco	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	so do people there call each other "you waco" ?	[15:26]
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danielpbarron	no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else	[15:27]
danielpbarron	stupid	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	stupid smelly an slow	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko	[15:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3642 @ 0.00096482 = 3.5139 BTC [-]	[15:30]
joecool	english is flexible, make it so	[15:34]
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BingoBoingo	English may be rather flexible, but Texas is less so	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	lol zing	[15:35]
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BingoBoingo	!up los_pantalones	[15:41]
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BingoBoingo	Look at this crank http://rmxcrypt.com/	[15:46]
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pankkake	argh, inconsistent usage of spaces around parenthesis	[15:48]
pankkake	the "flagman"? lol	[15:48]
fluffypony	"THE FIRST CRYPTOGRAPHIC SYSTEM WITH ABSOLUTE STABILITY"	[15:48]
fluffypony	because GPG is super unstable	[15:48]
pankkake	apparently "PGP" is an algorithm. it's next to "RSA"	[15:49]
fluffypony	I bet that was written by robwhizz22	[15:50]
pankkake	http://www.mail-archive.com/gnupg-users@gnupg.org/msg20573.html oh apparently you can use ECDSA with GPG!	[15:51]
ozbot	Re: Elliptic curves in gnupg status?(ECC support)	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is "absolute stability" supposed to be ?	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	"After the scandal around the National Security Agency (NSA ) of the USA and after revelations of the ex-agent of CIA Edward Snowden it became known that NSA can crack cryptoprotection of Internet communications. "	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	ok nm.	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	Absolute stability prolly means the private key is always the same	[15:52]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: he links to this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon	[15:52]
fluffypony	"Absolutely stability cryptographic system – it’s a system that CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES (it can’t be cracked even with the help of supercomputers, for example – with the use of the developed quantum computer, even if it is completely developed in the future, because the RMX protection system is released on a new class of mathematical functions unknown to modern	[15:52]
fluffypony	science)"	[15:52]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Shannon level information security is hard	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	da fuck, if you're gonna refer to unrelated matters in your captatio, at least get the facts straight. snowden was a contractor not an agent.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony oh that ? the greeks had it. here's an example :	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	Ξ	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	you'll never be able to decypher what i meant by that. ever.	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	ah mp, i just sent a ;;later tell, forgetting the user list is reordered by +	[15:54]
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ThickAsThieves	does that mean you dont get it til signing off and on again?	[15:54]
pankkake	;;notes	[15:54]
gribble	I currently have notes waiting for antephialtic, Arbitrage, arij, babbler, bawse, bugpowder, cads, daver300, deepspace, dertin033, dnathe4th, Empirical, Felyza, herbijudlestoids, Izzy_, jcpham, Jorge_Pasada, kryo, later, LucyDrop, Mad7Scientist, melt7777, mirceau_popescu, MmmmYah, Myke974, novusordo, OMGDogecoin, only, princessnell, reutersemily, satdav, Sibty, sic_nic, Taras, tholu, (1 more message)	[15:54]
pankkake	;;more	[15:54]
gribble	toffo, TomServo, ughlol, velacreations, xtw317, yeye_, zeus93, and zinodaur.	[15:54]
ThickAsThieves	;;email	[15:55]
gribble	Error: "email" is not a valid command.	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	!email	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	$email	[15:55]
pankkake	$email	[15:55]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.	[15:55]
mpexbot	pankkake: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	and in the same vein : http://trilema.com/2009/mi-a-venit-o-idee-extraordinara/	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	it's been an open challenge to my readers for 5 years now, to crack that shit.	[15:55]
Anduck	what is the service?	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	a joke	[15:55]
danielpbarron	nice	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, next gribble sees me speak.	[15:56]
dexX7	;;notes help	[15:57]
gribble	Error: I have no notes for that nick.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	lol mirceau	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	;;notes mirceau_popescu	[15:58]
gribble	Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 12 minutes ago: 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03u dood, there's no u in mircea	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	;;notes MmmmYah	[15:58]
gribble	Sent 1 day, 17 hours, and 39 minutes ago: Scammer on your nick - you may want to register MmmmmYah	[15:58]
dexX7	where do those notes come from?	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	;;notes princessnell	[15:58]
gribble	Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 53 minutes ago: it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts and Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 51 minutes ago: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	ahaha! check out the GRIBBLE HEARTBLEED	[15:59]
pankkake	oh you can see them that way… I know I missed one with a typo and it must have expired	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:59]
pankkake	;;notes later	[15:59]
gribble	Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 13 minutes ago: tell later tell and Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 10 minutes ago: later	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	the gribble dribble!	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:59]
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ThickAsThieves	imagine all the scandal we missed in the past	[16:00]
TestingUnoDosTre	Mirceauauu, could I'm a professional reporter from blog XYZ, could I speak with you privately? It's urgent	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre orly.	[16:09]
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jurov	fluffypony: is the squatter doing anytihng interesting?	[16:20]
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fluffypony	jurov: he was hurling insults at Ssateneth for kbanning him	[16:26]
fluffypony	but other than that, no	[16:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00095643 = 10.2338 BTC [+] {2}	[16:29]
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mircea_popescu	!up Skirmant	[16:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095649 = 1.4826 BTC [+]	[16:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00096273 = 8.472 BTC [+]	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.066574 = 0.1331 BTC [-]	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06637023 = 1.9247 BTC [-] {3}	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	and now for mah favourite part of the day : the reading of the logs!	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	artifexd it's an educated guess, like anything else. the educated part is significant, but i've not published it. it's a complicated thing, this. i tend to readily publish the dirt on actors when they fuck up, like the sec misadventure. but it's kind-of unsportsmanlike to do the same when they're just acting rationally. anyway, complicated matter.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ << this, you'll probably appreciate.	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974999 = 0.199 BTC [-] {2}	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03411021 = 0.1023 BTC [-]	[16:44]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[16:46]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095586 / 0.0009635 / 0.00096987 (805817 shares, 776.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097238 / 0.00101 (3481630 shares, 3,385.49 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092512 / 0.00101 (23293181 shares, 21,549.14 BTC)	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up jadne	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	anyone remembers how registering with gribble actually works ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	i've pretty much forgotten	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5789 @ 0.000963 = 5.5748 BTC [+] {2}	[16:51]
kakobrekla	;;eregister	[16:51]
gribble	(eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	;;more	[16:51]
gribble		[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	jadne ^	[16:52]
jadne	thx	[16:53]
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dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x	[16:53]
ozbot	A sneak peak at the future of Bitcoin Cold Storage	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	haha srsly ?	[16:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06512838 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {4}	[16:54]
dexX7	it's real	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 tell crazy rabbit to come over will ya	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	ima sponsor his thing	[16:54]
dexX7	hahaha really?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	too good to pass	[16:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55998999 = 1.68 BTC [-] {2}	[16:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00095586 = 2.4374 BTC [-]	[16:55]
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dexX7	msg sent	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you doing that imgboard yet ?	[16:56]
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nubbins`	neat device	[17:02]
nubbins`	^ so much work for two words ;(	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	dude it tokk you what, a minute ?	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	that's like... a quarter ?	[17:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03545567 = 0.5318 BTC [+] {3}	[17:03]
bounce	http://bitcloudproject.org/	[17:04]
ozbot	Bitcloud	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	bounce youre trolling right ?	[17:05]
bounce	apparently they've been at it for months, not getting anywhere, and now are looking for funding?	[17:05]
nubbins`	50 seconds ;(	[17:05]
nubbins`	my time is precious D;	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	"I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there. Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095586 = 5.0661 BTC [-]	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	wait, no submarines ? i liked the submarines and dukedoms and reversed true/false numeric values idea better	[17:06]
Anduck	their faq doesnt work	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	this is just watered down what'shisname	[17:06]
nubbins`	lel, +0	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	!up zoinky	[17:06]
assbot	Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.	[17:06]
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nubbins`	(see what i did there?)	[17:06]
bounce	+0 and -0, 'cuz all you need is the sign, right?	[17:07]
jurov	you mean urbait?	[17:07]
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mircea_popescu	urbit there we go	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	the only project in history to have actually fielded leaky submarines.	[17:07]
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mircea_popescu	imagine the fun on board!	[17:07]
bounce	did urbit make it to the bbc, boing boing, something I can't decipher, wired, el grauniad, AND tech radar?	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	lol. i see what you did there!	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, it had splendid media exposure. pretty much anyone who's someone in it had heard of it.	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	in that respect gotta hand it to the guy : one of the best launches i've seen.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	that's rare. competent marketer that for some incomprehensible reason figures he's a thinking man.	[17:09]
*	bounce did a quick search on log., didn't turn up much.	[17:09]
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bounce	so hire'im on condition he only thinks about marketeering, and leaves the other pretense at the door.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#473636	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	like that ?	[17:11]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce too drunk on his own farts to be hireable.	[17:11]
joecool	hm cloud to butt really improves this log	[17:12]
joecool	03:27:08herbijudlestoids:bitbutt has nothing.	[17:12]
joecool	03:27:19mircea_popescu:but bitbutt has bit and butt	[17:12]
joecool	goes along with the farts	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03411129 = 0.5117 BTC [-] {3}	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06321585 = 0.4425 BTC [-] {2}	[17:13]
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kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x	[17:14]
kakobrekla	is this really a dildo?	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla for loose women.	[17:14]
kakobrekla	i dont understand that device at all	[17:14]
kakobrekla	it shines but where are the keys ?	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	upup	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	indabutt	[17:15]
dexX7	there is a nfc chip inside	[17:15]
bounce	apparently my google-fu is lacking. anyway, $source thinks they need to go down before they manage to rake in funding. that'd be the message.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce that didn't parse	[17:15]
jurov	someone actually acted on the hookers+microphone proposal?	[17:15]
jurov	as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?	[17:16]
jurov	I APPROVE	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	"here's this bit of plastic. make it orgasm, you may spend your bitcoin. otherwise... make someone else orgasm, spend their bitcoin"	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	radical whoredom.	[17:16]
dexX7	i think it's more like "store your key, come back later, restore key"	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	wait. to restore means to store again or to unstore ?!	[17:17]
bounce	"retrieve coins" would be the point, I suppose. which apparently involves destroying the thing.	[17:17]
dexX7	:D	[17:18]
dexX7	it means this thing does not sign anything	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	you know, lulz and jokes aside, a permanent insertion is fucking uncomfortable.	[17:18]
TestingUnoDosTre	So does it generate a tx when broken, or does I have some wallet file stored inside?	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	seems to me like it's a normal usb stick encased in a plastic frame	[17:20]
dexX7	replace usb with nfc and plastic with glass	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	mine's cheaper.	[17:20]
dexX7	probably not as shiny	[17:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	I can smash your usb and gain access to your bitcoins!? Now that's a true brute force	[17:21]
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mircea_popescu	first you gotta ravish her couch	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	cooch*	[17:21]
TestingUnoDosTre	With the device? If so, usb probly is more secure	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04813328 = 0.1925 BTC [-]	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0635 = 0.381 BTC [+]	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	i guess the next logical step is silicone implants	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	ultimate saving device : you will take thoise out once you're old.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	at which point, your bitcoin savings become spendable.	[17:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	Now that's something I would invest in	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	srsly. this really should be part of obamacare. any woman over 30 may get her tits fixed, take the stuff out upon retirement.	[17:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55998998 BTC [-]	[17:27]
TestingUnoDosTre	Over 30? That seems a little steep	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	dub actually romania had a seismologist who went on tv and predicted an earthquake. fucking panic ensued	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	then no earthquake.	[17:28]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wheat << neato.	[17:29]
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mircea_popescu	i am going to explain EVERYTHING(tm) before i'm done, i tell you.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	or at least make such a complete mess of everything nobody'll be able to entangle it and everyone'll just move on to another language.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	(this, incidentally, has already happened numerous times in history)	[17:30]
TestingUnoDosTre	And then acronyms came and fixed it all	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	Indubitably Necessarily Definitely Exactly Exactly Definitely.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	artifexd:	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it. << it's the internet, dood. why else did you think it was revolutionary ?	[17:33]
TestingUnoDosTre	Because it haz cat pix	[17:33]
bounce	so, egalite for everyone?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	bounce no, but we can still talk. either are excesses : omg can't talk to no-one except other rear admirals / omg everyone i talk to is exactly like me. middle fucking bitcoineus i say!	[17:34]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I? << you were here at the right time lol. what the fuck do you imagine a barony is ? exactly that, review the early english history :D	[17:37]
bounce	"we're not worthy!" qv. wayne's world.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	i don't think i saw wayne's world	[17:38]
bounce	apropos, that nurture-not-nature for elitism argument isn't very well developed. nice examples, but I don't see'em supporting the premise.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	do you understand the difference between a good and a not so good bug report ?	[17:40]
bounce	:-)	[17:42]
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nubbins`	some years ago, a "seer" predicted a huge tsunami would hit here	[17:46]
nubbins`	everyone went down to the waterfront to watch it come in ;(	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:47]
mike_c	!up los_pantalones	[17:47]
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mike_c	los_pantalones: if you're working on that, something that I have always felt about exponential time decay is that it is really no better than just closing the bet early.	[17:48]
mike_c	so if you can disprove that, it would be interesting.	[17:48]
mike_c	!up peterl	[17:49]
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bounce	afraid I'm gonna have to do a writeup. n'mind until then.	[17:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095582 = 3.3454 BTC [-]	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	bounce publish on your blog, link to the offensive thing, omfg we're creating value out of nowhere!	[17:50]
peterl	There are probably different results if the resolution date is known (like X will win on such date) vs bets with unknown and possibly early resolving dates (like X will stay above Y until such date)	[17:51]
peterl	you might need two separate mathematical models to analyse the two different types of bets?	[17:51]
artifexd	http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g135235011877110170.jpg	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	peterl prolly.	[17:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2740 @ 0.0001204 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {2}	[18:04]
los_pantalones	up!	[18:04]
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los_pantalones	mike_c can you close a bet on bitbet?	[18:04]
los_pantalones	you have to take the other side	[18:05]
los_pantalones	and both your bets sit in escrow	[18:05]
los_pantalones	until resolution	[18:05]
los_pantalones	right?	[18:05]
mike_c	right	[18:05]
los_pantalones	so, there is opportunity cost	[18:05]
los_pantalones	traditionally, closing your bet would give you all your money back	[18:05]
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los_pantalones	so i would venture to guess you are right	[18:05]
los_pantalones	but in this case there is a penalty to closing your bet	[18:05]
los_pantalones	in added margining	[18:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03410866 = 0.2388 BTC [-] {2}	[18:06]
los_pantalones	i haven't bet anything on bitbet yet so if i sound like a total idiot, i'm sorry	[18:06]
los_pantalones	just started looking into it and was trying to get my head around some of the bigger bets	[18:06]
mike_c	not sure what you mean by traditionally. generally in betting you can only close your bet by taking the other side	[18:06]
mike_c	like getting a middle in sports betting	[18:06]
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los_pantalones	i only know financial and phys commodities markets	[18:07]
los_pantalones	in which case you have no position on and all your cash	[18:07]
los_pantalones	to reinvest / spend elsewhere	[18:07]
mike_c	yes, this is different because you can't sell a position.	[18:07]
los_pantalones	right	[18:07]
los_pantalones	so there is a big opportunity cost of taking the other side	[18:08]
los_pantalones	wouldn't that also increase liquidity on the other side of the bet	[18:08]
los_pantalones	perhaps incenting more players	[18:08]
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los_pantalones	thus decreasing your payout	[18:08]
los_pantalones	is it equiv? are you still flat?	[18:08]
los_pantalones	or can someone expose you by betting later?	[18:09]
los_pantalones	do you have to constantly reweight the size of your other side ?	[18:09]
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mike_c	i would think that would be the case. i would welcome an analysis of that topic with numbers and examples :)	[18:09]
kakobrekla	yes, this is different because you can't sell a position. < its taking awfully long for someone to code that.	[18:09]
los_pantalones	ok	[18:10]
TestingUnoDosTre	Oooh reselling bitbet positions, I like this idea	[18:10]
mike_c	bitbet is fertile ground for add-on projects.	[18:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00095624 = 8.3193 BTC [+] {2}	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-]	[18:19]
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kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570248.0	[18:21]
ozbot	bitstamp - API woes	[18:21]
kakobrekla	lol	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay http://trilema.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/ ask and ye shall receive.	[18:22]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:22]
kakobrekla	>API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.	[18:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06692776 = 0.1339 BTC [+]	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	"Why run an API through Incapsula?"	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	i think the answer is self-oblivious.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	!up arizona	[18:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]	[18:25]
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mike_c	the mediawiki scammers have bots that solve captcha. apparently that is more important than bitstamp.	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c or more widely deployed	[18:30]
arizona	Hello?	[18:30]
kakobrekla	yes, this is dog.	[18:30]
arizona	Thank you	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	are you a hot blonde with a sister whose name is alabama and was played by patricia arquette in tarantino's movie ?	[18:31]
arizona	Oh, no. LOL.	[18:32]
thestringpuller	dog, this is cat, i have some bad news.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	a well. wrong arizona then :p	[18:33]
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benkay	Namworld:Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost" << oh, he will. "what bitcoins?"	[18:33]
arizona	I don't say much here. I enjoy reading and learning. I like your columns, Mr. Popescu. You are a very good writer.	[18:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0669101 = 0.2676 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03343332 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3}	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	why ty.	[18:34]
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mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp? << naw.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	also, atc is a currency.	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	unlike bitcoin, which is not. complicated shit.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	benkay: bitcoin isn't a currency anymore?	[18:38]
thestringpuller	oops	[18:38]
thestringpuller	@ mircea_popescu **	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5588452 = 1.1177 BTC [-] {2}	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	not anymore than chocolate gold coins	[18:39]
thestringpuller	what makes atc a currency then?	[18:39]
BingoBoingo	Magic	[18:39]
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thestringpuller	oh boy i love magic	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld:Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. << you gotta be kiddin' me.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	!up justusranvier	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	"Is this still being mined.... I mined it when it had a coingen.io logo still and No source hahahaha"	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	lol. longest lived altcoin in history ?	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55884505 BTC [-]	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you makin' a killing on this thing yet ? :D	[18:44]
Apocalyptic	I heard the price is up 50% from last week, he better :)	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Not a killing, but steady incremental gains	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	even better.	[18:45]
BingoBoingo	I've just been locking the price into a range I find sustainable and magic happens	[18:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00095521 = 5.779 BTC [-] {2}	[18:48]
benkay	why is altcoin a currency and bitcoin not?	[18:48]
mike_c	my take: altcoin is made for spending, bitcoin is made for storing wealth.	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	benkay i'm just being steganographical. see because sometimes the things i say are in reality secret messages for uknown third parties according to secret schemes of encoding and so forth.	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	!up kill-9all	[18:51]
assbot	Voicing kill-9all for 30 minutes.	[18:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 486 @ 0.14 = 68.04 BTC	[18:52]
danielpbarron	IRS says BTC isn't a currency so that's that	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	in other news,	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	http://www.havenews.com/news/local-news/havelock-police-bust-party-charge-mother-teens-with-alcohol-offenses-1.301928	[18:53]
ozbot	Havelock police bust party, charge mother, teens with alcohol offenses - Local News - The Havelock N	[18:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095473 = 0.4774 BTC [-]	[18:55]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[18:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 461.64, vol: 30525.08907856 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 453.614, vol: 33919.59096 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 460.0, vol: 27660.53353995 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 89.34675802 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 458.622504, vol: 7258.83710000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.50001, vol: 46.30923683 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.215, vol: 170.96622989 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[18:55]
danielpbarron	"The juveniles told the officers that there was a party that was out of control and people were drinking and smoking weed" NARCS!	[18:55]
benkay	why is it crashing?	[18:55]
benkay	whatever happened to 'cops are coming - run!'	[18:56]
benkay	?	[18:56]
thestringpuller	money i$ king	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	"VCs plow $46 million more into writing community Wattpad --> it's like Youtube for stories"	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[18:59]
TestingUnoDosTre	Haha marijuana in the toilet bowl. Gotta torch the evidence, newbies	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	it's like canning for farts.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre they were prolly doing bath salts	[18:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.41934336 BTC to 8`322 shares, 41088 satoshi per share	[19:00]
TestingUnoDosTre	Fun fact: someone I know sent to a dispensary in Denver that sold bath salts, but the cashier had to warn" not the ones you're thinking of"	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	so citi conference call, all they want to talk about is how they're cutting costs.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	fucking kiss of death, this, only commodified businesses have the time. finance is dead.	[19:01]
thestringpuller	^- well that's good to hear no?	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	depends. not if you're invested in citi.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	in other-other news, the us preparing for electricity rationing :	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5604992/us-power-grid-vulnerability	[19:04]
ozbot	It's way too easy to cause a massive blackout in the US - Vox	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	it's gonna be a long hot summer boys and girls. no better way to get the masses to believe in global warming than keeping them without ac for a summer.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	likely to hit the south the worst, too, which is ideal on at least two counts.	[19:05]
TestingUnoDosTre	Why so?	[19:05]
benkay	a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation?	[19:06]
benkay	dude.	[19:06]
benkay	no.	[19:06]
benkay	okay i get journos are tarded.	[19:06]
benkay	get it	[19:06]
fluffypony	the Electricity Ninja cometh...	[19:06]
benkay	oh god vox.com	[19:06]
danielpbarron	i prefer to go without AC; I like being out in the sun while the summer lasts	[19:07]
danielpbarron	but i'm in "the north," so that's easier for me to say	[19:07]
benkay	http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/	[19:08]
ozbot	OPERATION MUTUAL AID	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	s/1/s/	[19:08]
bounce	what was it again, guaranteed (low) prices for consumers and "free market" stupidity for suppliers, in california, that led to under-investing in infrastructure and utilities basically bleeding themselves dry, leading to years to come full of brownouts and blackouts	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	something like that.	[19:09]
Apocalyptic	a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation? << sounds legit	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	plus absurdistan ecological regulations, like being criminally responsible for birds flying into your intake vents	[19:09]
benkay	coulda sworn it was assault rifles Apocalyptic	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic this was an actual event btw.	[19:10]
bounce	you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.	[19:10]
benkay	and at close range	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	it was assault rifles, and at close range.	[19:10]
benkay	(how the fuck do you snipe anything inside a substation - lines of sight have to be like 20ft max)	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	they're conveniently forgetting to mention the ominous part where the attackers disabled the security with minimal, expert moves.	[19:10]
bounce	assault rifles are still a bit of a poor choice. wrenches do better.	[19:10]
bounce	or squirrels, for that matter.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce how so ? do the energy calc.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"	[19:11]
benkay	http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/apps/forums/show/7020492-general-discussion	[19:11]
ozbot	General Discussion	[19:11]
benkay	i want a bitmilitia.	[19:11]
bounce	or that. anything to cause a nice electrical fire. bullets have a harder time there, despite their awesome speed. substations are like that.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/247525/sun-times-kills-comments-until-it-can-fix-morass-of-negativity-racism-and-hate-speech/	[19:12]
ozbot	Sun-Times kills comments until it can fix ‘morass of negativity, racism, and hate speech’ \| Poyn	[19:12]
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mircea_popescu	herpy derp. how about fixing butthurt.	[19:12]
Apocalyptic	too much butts to fix	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	bounce not really. all the bullet needs to do is perforate the coolant room. anywhere.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	the thing goes offline w/o coolant.	[19:13]
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mircea_popescu	and because of ecological concerns, old style coolant mixtures that were azerotropic were replaced with new, more expensive formulations. a punctured coolant room means you have to empty, was and refill.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	you cant just top up and seal.	[19:14]
bounce	hm. burned to the ground or shut down by regulations. alright, the red tape wins.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i wonder if they'll do a wot-based +m :D	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce it's not trivial to actually burn down a modern transformer.	[19:15]
Apocalyptic	mircea, prolly not :)	[19:16]
TestingUnoDosTre	There IS more than meets the eye	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	pretty lulzy, "this newspaper closed until we can find some not-retartded people to read it"	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5591588 BTC [+]	[19:17]
bounce	I'm reminded of the register, where they used to moderate each and every comment, and then gradually lifted the requirement. they have a reasonably vibrant commenter community, without requiring facebook or real names or what-have-you.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	i still think discussion is impossible absent identity.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't have to be "real", because wtf is that real mean, but it does have to be identity.	[19:19]
benkay	disqus: your friendly omnicient identity broker.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	hardly.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	"The magazine couldn’t afford moderators, as many news organizations can’t." herp.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	but if you can't afford what you need, isn't that an indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ?	[19:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	Or editors for that matter	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	why do people's brains not work ?	[19:20]
bounce	there's places that allow 'true' unnamed discussion and have it work fine, too	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	4chan ?	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	only one i can think of. and the definition of "fine" must be pretty... broad.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	(read that again. fine = pretty broad. jesus i fucking love myself har har har)	[19:22]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/14/new_sipri_data_russia_china_and_saudi_arabia_dramatically_increase_arms.html	[19:22]
ozbot	New SIPRI data: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia dramatically increase arms spending.	[19:22]
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mircea_popescu	ouch. wasn't china already spending a lot ?	[19:22]
danielpbarron	heh	[19:22]
bounce	not just 4chan. slashdot is another	[19:23]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[19:23]
BingoBoingo	Now it is a lot-er	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo and the thing is, god help you if you sell the chinese golden toilets. afaik nobody got shot when it was discovered haliburton "misplaced" 1 bn in the various senatorial etc campaign slushfunds in iraq	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	yet the chinese routinely shoot people for 1mn	[19:25]
TestingUnoDosTre	Maybe even 1 mn yen	[19:28]
bounce	interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0667868 = 0.2671 BTC [-]	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53462729 = 14.4349 BTC [-] {13}	[19:35]
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TestingUnoDosTre	My bank claims to use no openNESS. Any easy way to verify this claim?	[19:41]
mike_c	test its servers for heartbleed?	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	bounce the little known fact is that china was always the world's empire.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	what the us pretends for itself, china has been, for the past ~5000 years	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	with temporary century-long interruptions due to invasions and whatnot. it always reverted.	[19:47]
benkay	everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	sure there is. the steady state of humans is being dead.	[19:48]
benkay	pff	[19:48]
benkay	decomposition	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	the steady state of planet earth is china being teh world empire	[19:48]
benkay	for a century at a time with interruptions	[19:48]
benkay	doesn't sound so steady to me	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	benkay no but on the naively nominalist view that "you" existed sincer forever and will exist forever. soul or w/e.	[19:48]
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benkay	just a mass of undifferentiated atoms banging off each other	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	in that physicalist view you'll have trouble showing people even exist at all.	[19:49]
benkay	don't bring that mystical claptrap around here	[19:49]
benkay	yeah well what is a people?	[19:49]
benkay	does free agency exist?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	or in the words of tornatore (uomo delle stelle), "e il mondo vero, or solo per finta ?"	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03257696 = 1.075 BTC [-] {4}	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	which incidentally is a great film.	[19:51]
bounce	china was always quite a lot self-centered. this appears to be a bit less the case of late.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	maybe. hard to tell really.	[19:52]
TestingUnoDosTre	Translate the tornatore	[19:53]
jurov	bounce they need to secure oil and other supplies from others	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	is the world for real, or just pretense ?	[19:54]
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bounce	it's all make believe whichever way you look at it	[19:54]
bounce	doesn't stop shit from getting real, though	[19:55]
TestingUnoDosTre	Hahaha	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	bounce guy saying is a shepherd.	[19:55]
benkay	well the things are real. the constructs i wrap around them are just figments of my own mind.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	who doesn't think farmers understand, because for shephers... c'e diverso. e con le stelle, uno puo parlare.	[19:56]
bounce	I think I'm missing context here.	[19:59]
bounce	anyway, china going communist has, well, at least given a different flavour to the thing. wonder if and when they're going to do something about that	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	i don't think they were ever anything else.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	buncha equal peons, and the emperor drunk out of his mind. between these, a bureaucracy, completely arbitrarily "educated" by rote.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	this has been china for pretty much the entire interval	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	the mir is definitely stolen from them	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03363737 = 0.2691 BTC [+] {5}	[20:02]
bounce	you're saying that communism has turned out irrelevant to the chinese	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	sorta like rice flavouring.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	they were eating rice anyway.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	rice flavoured rice is like...	[20:03]
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bounce	they did used to have technology, like that earthquake detector, that they subsequently forgot how to make work. bit sloppy for a state to forget its own achievements, and not even the excuse of getting toppled and replaced	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	what's this ? the sheep bladder system ?	[20:05]
bounce	wooden octagonal thingy with stone balls, IIRC	[20:06]
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BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/norwegian-fisherman-discovers-dildo-inside-cod-stomach-1562947859	[20:08]
ozbot	Norwegian Fisherman Discovers Dildo Inside Cod Stomach	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0032689/quotes	[20:08]
ozbot	Sir Bedevere (Character) - Quotes	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	lol. think of the implications had they discovered it in the cod's tail rather than stomach.	[20:08]
TestingUnoDosTre	He found a cold storage wallet!?!	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 250 @ 0.14 = 35 BTC	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	a cod storage wallet.	[20:10]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/rotterdams-meisje-opgepakt-na-twitteren-over-aanslag	[20:15]
ozbot	Rotterdams meisje opgepakt na twitteren over aanslag \| RTL Nieuws	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	14 year old was arrested for tweets	[20:15]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?	[20:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03209898 = 0.6099 BTC [-]	[20:16]
dexX7	tweet to american airlines: "Hi my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan I am part of al-Qaeda, and on June 1, I'm going to do something really big day. . "	[20:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690869 = 0.2007 BTC [+]	[20:17]
pankkake	all tweets should be illegal anyway. also http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/0122203/44-of-twitter-users-have-never-tweeted	[20:17]
bounce	the great unwashed and shutting up. there's an idea. though we'd be left with spambots. indiscernible, perhaps, but not an improvement.	[20:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]	[20:21]
asciilifeform	lolz, i get up for half a day and come back to 'btc arsesafe is actual product'	[20:21]
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ThickAsThieves	"winners" list from OneSpark, if anyone is interested http://www.beonespark.com/results	[20:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00095505 = 12.0814 BTC [+] {2}	[20:25]
asciilifeform	;;google rectal houdini	[20:26]
gribble	Seriously Savage Rectal Houdini Kit \| Tools \| Gear - LikeCOOL: ; Nerdcore › CIAs vintage rectal Escape Kit from the 60s: ; Tools of Tradecraft: More Spy Gear From the CIA, Others \| Threat ...: (1 more message)	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095774 = 4.0618 BTC [+]	[20:26]
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pankkake	I think I saw a butt plug where you could store things	[20:27]
pankkake	or maybe you can commission the rosebud guy	[20:27]
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rithm	100% assanine	[20:28]
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pankkake	mircea_popescu: about the image board thing, I don't know if there is an actual demand. I'll see how expensive (in terms of maintenance) it is in the coming days	[20:28]
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pankkake	apparently danny let a cat die	[20:30]
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asciilifeform	lolmatic:	[20:33]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/04/goldman-sachs-code-thief-02.htm	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 930 @ 0.00095473 = 0.8879 BTC [-]	[20:37]
asciilifeform	re: 'code thief' - when people say, 'X can also have problems,' that doesn't necessarily mean 'car bomb.' it can also look like this.	[20:43]
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thestringpuller	;;calc ( 0.00096593 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096593	[20:45]
gribble	0.0115950431191	[20:45]
thestringpuller	$depth mpoe	[20:46]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['3594 @ 0.00095473', '6900 @ 0.000954', '4750 @ 0.00095391', '3600 @ 0.00095351', '12050 @ 0.00095346']	[20:46]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: Asks: ['10717 @ 0.00095774', '12500 @ 0.00095895', '11133 @ 0.00096093', '10800 @ 0.00096172', '11742 @ 0.00096218']	[20:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00095422 = 10.9735 BTC [-] {3}	[20:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00095774 = 8.5239 BTC [+]	[20:54]
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BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/oberlin-debates-wisdom-of-trigger-warnings-on-every-las-1562955196	[21:10]
ozbot	Oberlin Debates Wisdom of Trigger Warnings on Every Last Thing	[21:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0650101 = 0.6501 BTC [-]	[21:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06575599 = 0.4603 BTC [+] {2}	[21:16]
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asciilifeform	http://gawker.com/the-astounding-conspiracy-theories-of-wall-street-geniu-1561427624	[21:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10106 @ 0.00095873 = 9.6889 BTC [+] {2}	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/1144256/mathematicians-use-mossberg-500-pump-action-shotgun-to-calculate-pi	[21:21]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the simplest test of rng bias involves exactly this kind of calculation	[21:21]
asciilifeform	'monte carlo pi'	[21:21]
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asciilifeform	and doesn't everyone remember calculating pi this way, by throwing stones in a chalk circle in square, in grade school ?	[21:22]
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BingoBoingo	Indeed. It is simply amazing though that it can be done with off the shelf equipment from Walmart's sporting goods section	[21:22]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:22]
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mike_c	no. where did you go to grade school?	[21:23]
asciilifeform	usa, dc area	[21:23]
asciilifeform	for 3rd grade and up	[21:23]
asciilifeform	even here they have chalk.	[21:23]
asciilifeform	and a yard	[21:23]
mike_c	i don't think i knew what pi was in 3rd grade. maybe my memory is faulty.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall	[21:24]
asciilifeform	but chalk was permitted	[21:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06671067 = 0.467 BTC [+] {3}	[21:25]
BingoBoingo	Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	;;google asimov feeling of power	[21:26]
gribble	THE FEELING OF POWER by Isaac Asimov Worlds of Science ...: ; The Feeling of Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; MathFiction: The Feeling of Power (Isaac Asimov) - Alex Kasman:	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00095895 = 4.0381 BTC [+]	[21:31]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I think this is probably your strongest case for why x86 has to die	[21:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ?	[21:35]
BingoBoingo	Well, how much of computing has already been forgotten from things alledging to be curriculums.	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	on the subject	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	Java programmers who merely stitch together libraries and want embeded chips capable of running Java when a Z80 would be fine	[21:39]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/binarybits/status/455763759907487744	[21:42]
FabianB	.d	[21:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC	[21:42]
FabianB	;;bc,stats	[21:44]
gribble	Current Blocks: 295844 \| Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 \| Next Difficulty In: 507 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 6871339544.06 \| Estimated Percent Change: 12.28182	[21:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06666883 = 0.2667 BTC [-]	[21:47]
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TestingUnoDosTre	That's not the real Timothy B Lee, right?	[21:55]
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TestingUnoDosTre	Ahh it's just some knockoff arstechnica writer	[21:57]
TestingUnoDosTre	Was worried the world wide web was invented by a guy that just recently wants to format an opinion on password managers. Phew	[21:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03206287 = 0.2565 BTC [-] {4}	[21:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03058333 = 0.1835 BTC [-] {3}	[22:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05065099 = 0.5065 BTC [+] {7}	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096029 = 11.6195 BTC [+] {2}	[22:02]
BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: Yeah	[22:02]
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TestingUnoDosTre	Funny comment from the pi calculation slashdot article" Goddamn mathematician wasting precious ammunition to have a statistics wank-fest after MY goddamn zombie apocalypse?	[22:05]
TestingUnoDosTre	I'd put a random distribution of holes in his worthless head!	[22:05]
TestingUnoDosTre	"	[22:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00096102 = 3.3636 BTC [+] {2}	[22:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000075 = 0.15 BTC [-]	[22:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00096159 = 3.5098 BTC [+] {2}	[22:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.55499018 = 27.7495 BTC [+] {8}	[22:26]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[22:28]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096214 / 0.00096987 (655620 shares, 630.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096992 / 0.00101 (3350455 shares, 3,249.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092579 / 0.00101 (23296536 shares, 21,567.88 BTC)	[22:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1420 @ 0.000075 = 0.1065 BTC [-]	[22:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.030606 = 0.153 BTC [-] {3}	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00534891 = 0.4868 BTC [-]	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03003585 = 0.4205 BTC [-] {2}	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05146666 = 0.1544 BTC [+] {3}	[22:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}	[22:52]
artifexd	http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2602816	[22:52]
artifexd	BingoBoingo: Did you write that? ;)	[22:52]
artifexd	What happened to ozbot?	[22:53]
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mike_c	!up ozbot	[22:54]
assbot	I don't do bots, mike_c.	[22:54]
artifexd	It isn't even in the channel	[22:54]
mike_c	it got pissed about the new elitism.	[22:55]
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artifexd	Maybe it should be renamed to Marvin	[22:55]
artifexd	!up mjr_	[22:55]
assbot	Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.	[22:55]
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fluffypony	any recommendations for a reasonable VPS provider that won't throw a tantrum if I run a bitcoin node? DigitalOcean want me to provide DNA samples and ownership of my unborn child to allow me to create a new VPS (despite having two hosted with them for the past 18 months)	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	artifexd: I did not.	[22:57]
pankkake	fluffypony: EDIS	[22:57]
artifexd	I knew that. It just seemed like something you would write. Anti-CA and all.	[22:57]
fluffypony	pankkake: had an average-ish experience with them a while back, will give them another spin	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	artifexd: Well, I probably would have opened it a bit differently.	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	I wonder when someone will release a "Vaxberry Pi" credit card sized vax board	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	(or other older architectures would be welcome)	[23:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00095942 = 4.5572 BTC [-] {2}	[23:01]
fluffypony	ooooh, a credit card sized C64 would be magic	[23:01]
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jurov	fluffypony, gandi?	[23:02]
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fluffypony	jurov: didn't even know they have a VPS offering	[23:03]
fluffypony	sweet	[23:03]
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benkay	if you're not planning to mine, fluffypony you might try ipxcore	[23:04]
fluffypony	benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server	[23:04]
benkay	what could go wrong? :D	[23:05]
fluffypony	exactly!	[23:05]
dub	linode is best	[23:09]
Apocalyptic	jurov, are you satisfied with gandi services in general ?	[23:10]
jurov	yes. except for one small case where they insist routing of traffic between paris and aws ireland via the US	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00095794 = 2.5385 BTC [-]	[23:11]
jurov	but i could fix that by using ipv6	[23:11]
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jurov	and at least they admitted the problem	[23:12]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: More electrum servers is a good thing.	[23:13]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: yup, and I'm not hosting it on any of my dedi boxes if I can avoid it	[23:14]
Apocalyptic	and at least they admitted the problem // that's not something you see everyday in this industry indeed	[23:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03149998 = 0.126 BTC [+] {4}	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: More nodes in general is good. Since I've started playing with electrum, I've become a bit interested in seeing how without a sufficient number of servers its model might approach par with SPV in some ways.	[23:16]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: yeah, and with a sufficient number of nodes it's also good from a privacy perspective	[23:18]
fluffypony	I really like Electrum, much more than MultiBit	[23:18]
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BingoBoingo	I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.	[23:19]
fluffypony	you can import privkeys for random generated wallets in electrum?	[23:20]
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dignork	fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic	[23:21]
fluffypony	yes	[23:22]
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fluffypony	so you make sure you have the privkeys backed up/written down for your random addresses	[23:22]
fluffypony	and the rest are all deterministic, including your change addresses	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	There are a number of reasons to want wallets with different kinds of behavior. For some purposes different change addresses is a bug.	[23:23]
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dignork	BingoBoingo, when would you want to disable change addresses?	[23:24]
BingoBoingo	MP had a good writeup on the subject of Address reuse being good for certain kinds of privacy, but finding it might take some digging.	[23:25]
dignork	"no such thing as taint" ?	[23:25]
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BingoBoingo	An eatlier one, I believe on MPEx design	[23:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06645591 = 0.1329 BTC [+]	[23:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0009563 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {3}	[23:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52960704 BTC [-]	[23:52]
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