Forum logs for 13 Oct 2017
| BingoBoingo: | Ah not quite the same then, thing I am thinking of came in box same size and shape as "poptarts". Sold as "you know school sucks too much to teach this" | [00:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!Up gribble | [00:21] |
| gribble: | Error: "!Up" is not a valid command. | [00:21] |
| deedbot: | gribble voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | ticker --market all | [00:21] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5798.99, vol: 24018.43 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 5889.0, vol: 3789.33 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5808.9, vol: 105254.63 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 5790.0, vol: 29298.53 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5799.9, vol: 10452.24 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 5782.07, vol: 17737.44 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 5836.8, vol: 6258.49 | Volume-weighted last average: 5804.41 | [00:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | Now that's a crashing! | [00:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit we're crashed all the way almost! | [00:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://78.media.tumblr.com/3b5b00a7122d7f4e6108b93d934361ba/tumblr_o8ty5hVVdh1uwe6two3_1280.jpg << speaking of mini-macs with open-bsds... | [00:27] |
| deedbot: | shinohai: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ly3Vw/?raw=true | [00:28] |
| deedbot: | ccmtacks: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fGVdK/?raw=true | [00:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | this shit's a wonder to watch at work. | [00:29] |
| trinque: | ^ lemme know if those look goofy. process that spat them out is brand new. | [00:29] |
| trinque: | should be good tho | [00:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | seem fine to me. | [00:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in the same female form, http://78.media.tumblr.com/70ef88d8decb2378fbd1a988b156ec79/tumblr_np0p0rapsi1shmurko6_1280.jpg | [01:11] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ? | [02:35] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ? | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [02:36] |
| apeloyee: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-12-oct-2017#2349854 << for some reason the subword shift is in-place, whereas the full-word shift isn't | [06:43] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-12 23:49 asciilifeform: if anyone can see obvious 'this can be simpler' or 'this dun make sense' plz write in. | [06:43] |
| apeloyee: | e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true | [07:18] |
| apeloyee: | by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore. | [07:19] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise | [09:13] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 11:18 apeloyee: e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true | [09:13] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ? | [09:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore. | [09:14] |
| shinohai: | asciilifeform: think it was a scriba feature .... though bot appears to be present | [09:15] |
| mod6: | mornin' | [09:42] |
| mod6: | that's a mighty useful feature too btw. | [09:43] |
| mod6: | we've gotta have that. | [09:43] |
| shinohai: | Heya mod6 .... morning | [09:58] |
| mod6: | how you doin' shinohai? | [09:59] |
| shinohai: | Not too bad, got jhvh1 back online now catching up on logs | [10:00] |
| mod6: | sweet | [10:00] |
| mod6: | ive been writing unit test for ffa | [10:00] |
| shinohai: | Awesum ... I'm going to take a look at the thing asciilifeform posted last night later, gotta get Excedrin for preemptive strike on headaches lol | [10:03] |
| mod6: | haha. werd. | [10:51] |
| mod6: | i don't have a ton of coverage yet -- just mainly around the fz bitwise ops, fz_add, fz_mult, handfull of others. | [10:53] |
| mod6: | im hoping to get some tests around the shifting procedures possibly today or this weekend. alf's latest changes from yesterday would fit into that as well. | [10:54] |
| mod6: | i hope to glean some deeper understanding of the secret shifting from these tests as well. | [10:56] |
| mod6: | im certain that even the tests that I do have are missing certain cases -- but its a starting point. and when I publish these, the hope is that people here can help fill in the gaps of the coverage so we can use this as a means to ensure that we do not regress as changes occur to the code. | [10:58] |
| mod6: | again, these are unit tests, not functional, integration, or performance tests. meaning: i simply call a (so far public) procedure/function within ffa with specific parameters, and expect specific outputs. | [10:59] |
| mod6: | once we have some solid unit tests in place, i'll look at some functional tests as a higher-level way to ensure we don't regress as well. but that's a bit later yet. | [11:02] |
| mod6: | probably won't even start until we're closer to a finalized version of ffa. | [11:03] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: the key imho re a ffa tester, is that it gotta exist ~outside~ of ffa, and use a traditional, known-to-produce-correct-numberz ( and ideally, more than one ) arithm stack | [11:09] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: my current ( unpublished, quite yet, because it relies on details of 'p' ) item, uses python's | [11:09] |
| mod6: | sure. | [11:10] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: you could just as readily use, e.g., gnu 'bc' | [11:10] |
| mod6: | that's more of a higher-level, functional style test. | [11:10] |
| asciilifeform: | or perl or even mpi(c) | [11:10] |
| mod6: | i believe there to be a lot of merit to having unit tests around the specific procedures and functions in ffa. | [11:11] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: whichever type of test you're making, it certainly won't hurt. | [11:11] |
| mod6: | so, that's what I'm spending time on now anyway. and, making good progress in a short amount of time. however, ya, many gaps i msure. | [11:11] |
| mod6: | *im sure | [11:11] |
| asciilifeform: | the tricky bit is to avoid getting into 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' trap. | [11:12] |
| mod6: | say what | [11:12] |
| asciilifeform: | 'now gotta write tests for the tests' etc | [11:12] |
| mod6: | ah. right. | [11:12] |
| mod6: | well, they're hopefully clear enough to be understood. | [11:12] |
| asciilifeform: | some ops you can easily check result of, by hand ( shifts, add/sub ) | [11:13] |
| mod6: | right. | [11:13] |
| mod6: | we'll see how hairy it gets :] | [11:13] |
| asciilifeform: | have fun mod6 | [11:13] |
| mod6: | the fz_mux wasn't too bad, etc. | [11:14] |
| asciilifeform: | keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change. | [11:14] |
| asciilifeform: | and incidentally don't assume that the current forms, are the ideal and shortest/clearest possible | [11:14] |
| mod6: | to understand the thing, one can simply do the: B ^i on a calc | [11:14] |
| asciilifeform: | it is quite conceivable that you can turn up an improved/cycle-shaving/clearer etc version of this or that | [11:14] |
| asciilifeform: | apeloyee for instance did today | [11:14] |
| mod6: | aha, this indeed may be the case - something found. but the main interest "does it do what it ~should~ do, given these inputs" | [11:15] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [11:16] |
| mod6: | that's the aim anyway. but, yah, might find something along the way too. | [11:16] |
| mod6: | ANNND. hopefully will grok moar as well. | [11:16] |
| mod6: | a way of doing necessary work, and forcing myself to do the maff at the same time. | [11:16] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: there are serious ughs that need fixing, also. for instance to get rid of 'Natural' and 'Positive' and throw out the mess of conversions to and from Word | [11:17] |
| asciilifeform: | the current item is problematic on (hypothetical, i don't have one for which gnat builds) 8-bit archs | [11:17] |
| asciilifeform: | because 8 bits is not enough to index a useful number of 8-bit words | [11:17] |
| mod6: | The hope here is... when these changes are made, the given inputs still match the expected outputs. | [11:17] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724863 << nope, not deedbot. Framedragger's bot? | [11:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ? | [11:17] |
| * mod6 | looks | [11:18] |
| asciilifeform: | so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword | [11:18] |
| asciilifeform: | and FZ array gotta be indexed ~by~ it | [11:18] |
| asciilifeform: | note that this will result in exactly the same binary as builds now, on pc | [11:19] |
| mod6: | see... i thought so too.. because yesterday i was digging up our conversation from august of '15 where we were looking at gnupg -- that night we had like 69 pastes. | [11:19] |
| asciilifeform: | but will make the code 1) more readable 2) buildable for 8bit, in theory, cpu | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << god damn it, nothing worse than unreliable archives. | [11:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore. | [11:19] |
| mod6: | and Framedragger came along and did that handy thing and archived all that stuff. really, can't live without that bot. | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform afaik it was a scriba feature. Framedragger !!1111 | [11:19] |
| asciilifeform: | i tend to distrust archives, save things manually | [11:19] |
| asciilifeform: | esp. archives run by fuckknowswhom | [11:19] |
| mod6: | that is fair. | [11:19] |
| mod6: | but for the ages. | [11:20] |
| mod6: | unless you wanna give me access to your drive | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform theoretically it also gets the zips. at least iirc. | [11:20] |
| asciilifeform: | archives are a necessary thing, but really oughta be auto-mirrored | [11:20] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword << ah, i see. | [11:20] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 d00d and his box is really quite same as ' asciilifeform's hdd ' | [11:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [11:21] |
| mod6: | it adds so much to the history though. being able to see wtf we were talking about. | [11:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am loath to put "and load this website" into the eg log bot spec. | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 yeah. | [11:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: current ffa has no problem building and running with 32bit word but it will not do useful work in 8/16bit msdos, and this needs fix ( i described simple fix above. my priority atm tho is barrettron and practical rsa demo ) | [11:22] |
| mod6: | asciilifeform: sure. makes sense. | [11:22] |
| mod6: | anyway, i don't wanna be a distraction. am simply, hopefully, on a useful side-quest. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724903 << this is why i wouldn't recommend writing tests for it for any other reason than learning / checking. it's a prototype yet, only the growth spur should be checked as it were. | [11:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 15:14 asciilifeform: keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change. | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: even if you only read it, and did not write, it is still not wasted time | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | i intend for the whole lot of l1, to eventually read it | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | and understand it the way a man packing a parachute understands. | [11:23] |
| mod6: | agreed ^ | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | in the end you will have 'written ffa' nearly same as asciilifeform had. | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | or at any rate this is the condition for success | [11:24] |
| trinque: | actually mircea_popescu's solution to forcing miners to hold all blocks could conceivably used to hire hosting for the archive from whoever has space. folks register with eg deedbot, must produce hash of all archived items at interval to receive a small bitcoin payout, flowing from subscribers to the archive service. | [11:24] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: understood. it is more a learning process than anything at this point. | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque entirely feasible but let's revisit in next year. | [11:25] |
| trinque: | must also provide a web endpoint for the archive, etc | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 yee | [11:25] |
| trinque: | sure, not going to break ground on it | [11:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 in any case don't completely abandon the trb-v castle, you're like our last guy there i fear | [11:26] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque, mircea_popescu : this is actually a variation on an ancient and imho interesting theme, the 'aeternity service' or what was it called, early attempt at 'bitcoinism' and p2p warez combo, 'proof of storage' | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | which, incindentally, is pretty terrible. | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform aha. | [11:26] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: aha, indeed Sir. | [11:26] |
| mod6: | speaking of trinque's usage of polarbeard's rawtx vpatch -- im planning to get deeper into that this month. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | should ideally be v-ified properly etc. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~seen polarbeard | [11:27] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: I have not seen polarbeard. | [11:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ( incidentally recall 1980s game copyprotection lameness with elementary 'proof of storage' ?? 'answer, player, what is 51th word on 11th page paragraph 3 !1111' ) | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh wth. | [11:28] |
| mod6: | iirc I had created a proper vpatch of the thing last year, but we never wrapped up all the testing. i'd like to revisit that. | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | apr 2016. | [11:28] |
| * mod6 | looks | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i tried /invite polarbeard but * polarbeard :No such nick/channel anyone know him irl drop a line ? | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | pity guy left, totally got teh wrong impression re tmsr. | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc was in ben_vulpes's l2 ? or trinque's ? | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | a, was he ? | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | somebody's distant l2 ( l3 ) ? d00d | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc he ended up barfing from 'all my patches rejected!111' | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | 'for arbitrary reasons, made no sense' | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other tardstalk lulzgems, https://www.blackhatworld.com/attachments/fb_img_1507907065465-jpg.96283 | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, complete with the pixelization and the fb_img etc. | [11:31] |
| asciilifeform: | i get eggog | [11:31] |
| asciilifeform: | 'must be logged in' | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's rehost | [11:31] |
| mod6: | ah yeah, i do have a rawtx on sitting here -- just needs testing. also, still have some makefile changes that are needing some testing/review. and further, want to put in some requested changes to import/dump priv key. | [11:31] |
| mod6: | plenty-o-thangs | [11:32] |
| trinque: | the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned | [11:32] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714240 | [11:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-09-14 05:30 trinque: in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch | [11:33] |
| mod6: | I dunno about perma-banned, but I do see what you mean by that trinque, in this specific case. | [11:33] |
| mod6: | Submit me a vpatch, Sir. | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform https://www.hispachan.org/g/src/150790945869.jpg | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | lol! | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | 'electroneum' | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know ? | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i had nfi!! | [11:34] |
| trinque: | mod6: I dunno how you make the thing intelligible while walking further into C++ madness | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | perineum prolly next. | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | if THAT dun have proof of work... | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Two Digits, 14.99 ETN Feels Right' | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | gold. | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty much run-down of all stupids. | [11:34] |
| mod6: | trinque: i didn't say we /should/ add more classes. | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | 'As Easy as Playing Mobile Games' 'Mine & Earn Coins From Your Phone' << slavecoin ?!! | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s slavecoin | [11:34] |
| a111: | 46 results for "slavecoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slavecoin | [11:34] |
| trinque: | mod6: sure sure, I admit being hyperbolic | [11:35] |
| * asciilifeform | still waiting for slavecoin | [11:35] |
| trinque: | I do owe a few patches at this point. btw, am using sendrawtransaction with deedbot, works so far. | [11:35] |
| mod6: | sweet :] | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque you won't be able to fix trb into sanity without new classes. | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | both theory and experience show this, sadly. | [11:35] |
| mod6: | and please do send 'em my way when you have time | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, that they should be used sparsely is certainly true. | [11:36] |
| mod6: | i know you're pretty swamped -- when you're comfortable with deedbots changes, etc. you know. | [11:36] |
| asciilifeform: | sooner turn pig into a professor of mathematics, than cpp trb into sanity. | [11:36] |
| trinque: | if they demolish old, muddy concepts that's far better than subclassing the mud | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform nevermind the actual implementation. the design/concept however you call it. | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | when we're discussiong classes we're not automatically discussing an impl. it's a data model. | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | i understood trinque to be referring to classes in literal cpp sense | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did not. | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ( based on the log link ) | [11:37] |
| jhvh1: | Gracias Sr. mircea_popescu! | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | based on same lol. | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai lol wut ? | [11:38] |
| jhvh1: | It is good to be self-aware again | [11:38] |
| jhvh1: | >.> | [11:38] |
| mod6: | ohmahgerd, it's alive | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | don't be doing that, not doing it is in the spec! | [11:38] |
| trinque: | mod6: I did lose a transaction in a node's mempool the other day using it. was clearly there, sitting, going nowhere. | [11:39] |
| trinque: | fed to another node, went fine | [11:39] |
| trinque: | I dunno who to blame for that yet | [11:39] |
| mod6: | ah. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | typical sybilling, happens and has happened tons, which is why it's important to talk to many nodes for payment safety. | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | and EVEN IF maintaining a large (and, obviously, expensive) network of nodes etc, you can still run into surprises, as the bitbet issue very well illustrates. | [11:41] |
| trinque: | mhm. node 1 sits on a domestic line 2, commercial. I could see it | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you keep money and man-hours into this, you'll eventually reach that vaunted summit. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, like the ahrefs guy. | [11:42] |
| mod6: | please do keep reporting such irregularities though. | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | (amusingly, this node-sybil-pie entirely exists BECAUSE IT CAN exist. think in GT terms : at t1 it doesn't exist. at t2, player 1 figures out it could exist, whether it can or not, and takes defensive meansures. at t3, some bug in player1's implementation is exploited (consciously or accidentally) and now... it DOES exist.) | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | human problem of meta is that humans can think outside the box. they end up choking each other with the unintentional by-products of that thinking. | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | now THIS would be some interesting ecology, of the "keep the world safe for your children" kind. | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | mental warming is a thing. | [11:44] |
| lobbesbot: | !!up lobbes | [12:05] |
| deedbot: | lobbes voiced for 30 minutes. | [12:05] |
| lobbes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724782 << I am more than willing to make required tweaks to get something like this working (allowing auctions to be denominated in btc as well as ecu, having lobbesbot spit out deedbot invoice, etc) | [12:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 01:55 mircea_popescu: trinque can directly push lobbes 's bot into it, what more is needed ? we have all the parts. | [12:05] |
| lobbes: | Also gotta figure out where auctions would happen. I'd imagine #t wouldn't be keen on the auctions taking place in this channel. Would be a lot of added noise. | [12:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes yeah, we'll get to this in the coming weeks. | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | tbh, i don't think doing it in #trilema is either unfeasible or a bad idea. | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | the forum happens in the marketplace for a reason. | [12:06] |
| lobbes: | That is a point. I can always tweak the announces to be less frequent as people see fit anyways | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | exactly. which is why that's that way hehee | [12:07] |
| shinohai: | I can't remember what I did with it lobbes .... but there was a plugin that let you announce a msg only to folks subscribed to it. | [12:08] |
| trinque: | commerce happening here wont annoy me! | [12:09] |
| shinohai: | Me neither tbh | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai you might be using different bot bases. | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, yes, all sorts of options available. can readily just use pastebin if it gets bad | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | though honestly, may take a while for it to become a problem. | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725034 << the fundamental problem is the ~completely imaginary incentive structure for the expected node operations ( store, verify, relay) | [12:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 15:40 mircea_popescu: trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2. | [12:46] |
| asciilifeform: | see also canonical thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 . | [12:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ell of course | [12:46] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'because you oughta!11' relaying can and does end up in same place as other 'because you oughtas' socialisms | [12:47] |
| asciilifeform: | it is, to lift from another mircea_popescu article, 'a thrown brick, not airplane' | [12:47] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725038 << every time i sit down to think about this megaproblem , inevitably come to the conclusion that the threeway cut was a mistake | [12:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem is that they're not automatically diffedrent just because they could be. | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | satoshi made an engineering mistake, taking the assumption the wrong way | [12:51] |
| asciilifeform: | instead of colluding miners, mendacious nodes, and 'gimmme ERRYTHINGFORPHREEEE!' entitled users -- can in principle have 1. | [12:51] |
| shinohai: | http://archive.is/CbLsp <<< If adding ethereum, shapeshit, and BitcoinCrash wasnt enough ...... | [13:14] |
| shinohai: | This is the lulziest bit: " If you have transactions to make around late November, we suggest you buy some Ether in our wallet today. " | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | LOGIC! | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically the excel-powered secret agent strategy has become "try to disrupt bitcoin by creating fud on social media". which works to... disrupt usage by the usg's own muppets, the redditards, wikitards and assoerted other dust mongers ? which is somehow bad for bitcoin, or even noticeable or something ? | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey USG - take your useless sheep and drown them all for what anyone cares. seriously now. | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | usgtronic headcount is not worth money. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta wonder how it was pictured to work -- 'if all the pennies in the sofas added up and made britney and coke, why not to make our shitcoin worth sumthing' ? | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | more like "this bitcoin is like britney, entirely built out of pennies and walmart e-cards" | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | hurr durr. | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads. | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( one difference, readily visible to naked eye, is that britney was made back when the sofas ~actually contained~ some pennies ) | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a great gif with a stupid little girl confronting a lion from behind a glass pane. | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | it was in a trilema | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | this has apparently become a major psychological liability for the crowd, they imagine that since everything they ever encountered was safely behind bulletproof glass, that's "just how life is". | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | will unavoidably come to gore. | [13:48] |
| asciilifeform: | there was a famous incident of a d00d who went around looking for bears | [13:48] |
| asciilifeform: | anyone recall this ? | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, these fucktards are going around looking for chtulhu. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ended up not only eaten, but with camera rolling ) | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform check out this lulz https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/facebook-new-accounts.979434/#post-10480716 | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | "he tried to trick them" | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | back to spamschool for'em | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | незачет! | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is what i think when i think orc engineering | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | this is what i think of sp4mz0rz of whatever type, incl. the ones with '1,000 servers' ( and previous years with 'million bots' ) etc | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i tried stuffing all the stick and rock types i could find in all the holes that there were and even some that i made. why airplane not wash jocularstrap ???" | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | they're illiterates and chasing after imaginary moneys, while wrecking whatever they touch | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and empowering usg 'mitigators' ) | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | exactly like the wp spammer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014 | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | an autistic child you didn't kill at the age of 7 will support a whole comicbook industry until age 70 ? | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 -- prolly not, million -- could | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | evidently. | [13:56] |
| * asciilifeform | was about to say 'no 1 spammer ever wrecked anything substantial' but then recalled usenet | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [13:56] |
| shinohai: | In kitchen accessories: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/kitchenacc.jpeg | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | are the blades inside ? | [14:22] |
| asciilifeform: | http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ head crown prosecutor of estonia ( at least at the time ) | [14:55] |
| shinohai: | "I prosecute all the meth-heads and STEAL THEIR STASH! Bwahahahaha" | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | Kati Reitsak | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | prosecuted e.g. https://news.postimees.ee/3222207/the-assar-paulus-gang-finally-faces-court | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently cult meme figure in orcdom. | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/1/3/1/6562131.jpg << e.g. | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | not even a terrible gig | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | more meth she steals more effective she gets more meth she steals etc. | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform that last pic dun work for all the diff it makes | [15:27] |
| asciilifeform: | was doll version of reitsak | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | and asciilifeform must confess, notterrible chix also. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | when it's my turn to get freislered, i'd like to be tried by ~that~ freisler. | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | de gustibus... | [15:45] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaha | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~ticker --market all | [16:06] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5549.99, vol: 27743.23574480 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5589.5, vol: 100804.08249558 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5525.6, vol: 9517.72500364 | Volume-weighted last average: 5577.15568871 | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in ffaism, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724861 >>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6NmsZ/?raw=true | [16:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 13:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise | [16:18] |
| asciilifeform: | hats off to apeloyee for the tip. | [16:18] |
| mod6: | asciilifeform: i like the added comments in there. keep it up. | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: i will confess, very much not satisfied with the comments, prolly comments should be written by someone else -- perhaps mod6 | [16:41] |
| asciilifeform: | or ben_vulpes , he did pretty good commentary to orig. vtron | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!withdraw 0.45364891 13YczpPCDAxBWQwMmNyyAASHYR4EmbwagP | [16:43] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rpke2/?raw=true | [16:43] |
| mod6: | ah, interesting. | [16:44] |
| mod6: | i do also think there could be paragraphs even written around certain procedures in ffa. but not sure if that belongs in the code, or as a corresponding document outside of the code. | [16:44] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: imho detailed what-why-how belongs outside | [16:45] |
| mod6: | and ya, that's what i mean, more or less. what/why/how type of explanations. | [16:45] |
| mod6: | but the comments I've seen in there are helpful, as long as they are accurate. | [16:46] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform's notion was that he'd write it against a backdrop of 'why didja do x' in l0gz | [16:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ( otherwise same problem as writing 'faq' without anyone actually having asked any q ) | [16:46] |
| mod6: | perhaps -- i certainly think it's good to link l0gz in footnotes or whatnot. the what/why/how doc aught to summarize all of thinking/decision making that went into the code. | [16:48] |
| mod6: | i'm probably getting ahead of myself though. was just saying "*thumbs-up*" on comments. | [16:48] |
| mod6: | :] | [16:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lolk | [16:48] |
| asciilifeform: | this is not bad time to ask the tuned-in folx, what parts of ffa they would like to see explained in moardetail. | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ifaq | [16:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | qtshbfa | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc there was a 'cpp ifaq' | [16:53] |
| asciilifeform: | riotously lulzy piece | [16:53] |
| mod6: | Here's a dumb question... | [17:07] |
| mod6: | what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc? Parameter? | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz - forum chick got warned for posting inappropriate content, in the shape of basically a rewrite of http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ (and a ton of bois pm-ing excitedly about "omg i saw that thread before it was deleted, r u real haxxor???"). | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently the black hat is black from pantsuit dust. | [17:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol | [17:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Looks like the Pinoys can't do it: "hello sir I'm sorry to inform you that it is not possible to met your requirement of 14Gigabits but our offer of 10mbps for 504 USD and we can upgrade that as your needs increase still stands." -jolo | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | a 10mbps rack ?! | [17:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | 4srs | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is this lulz. | [17:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | Island brain damage? | [17:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | For context that was his answer to: " | [17:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | I really need something much closer to 14 Gigabits per second. I understand that this will have a price attached to it." | [17:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | Which I offered in reply to his first mention of 10mbps hoping he got the letters confused | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725153 << predicate | [17:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 21:07 mod6: what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc? Parameter? | [17:55] |
| asciilifeform: | lispworld tradition. | [17:55] |
| mod6: | ahh, gotcha. thx | [18:20] |
| shinohai: | http://archive.is/cUss2 << Sadly there is no qntra for these lulz | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | in even further lulz, there apparently exists a dharvard university in indja. | [19:22] |
| shinohai: | Maybe Preet can get a job there lol | [19:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect. | [19:32] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction | [20:07] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other hurr durrs, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/74fvvx/unpopular_solution_agree_to_2mb_hf_written_by/dnyfcig/ | [20:14] |
| shinohai: | "Who cares about the Trilema guys. Let them use their own altcoin." | [20:21] |
| shinohai: | top kek | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow the stealing-by-name thing is really deeply ingrained in the muppet skull by now. | [20:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | (in case anyone's curious, rassah is random faggot mildly famous for having stolen his bf's cash to buy right before a jump and then proudly selling it all and buying a car. 2013 iirc.) | [20:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lotta "i am so smart! i am so smart! sold out of btc at 36. s-m-r-t!" | [20:23] |
| shinohai: | xD | [20:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rated rassah | [20:24] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu rated rassah 1 at 2014/07/15 11:54:19 << Old timer. | [20:24] |
| shinohai: | bwahahaha | [20:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rate rassah -1 http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-14#221785 | [20:25] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/awb3Y/?raw=true | [20:25] |
| hanbot: | i googled trilema today, typing even four characters more on a tablet is annoying. Trilema, url, description, "Bitcoin" ... "MPEx" ... "I ate some pie" | [20:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds about right. | [20:28] |
| shinohai: | mircea_popescu gibes me reddit account, I start trolling, now my head hurts: http://archive.is/tG3SX | [23:27] |
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