Forum logs for 13 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform 470 and 200 [00:00]
asciilifeform (not k) [00:00]
asciilifeform incidentally, 'house parts' [00:01]
danielpbarron !up NewLiberty [00:03]
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decimation lol they put 200 on the 470k pads? [00:04]
asciilifeform no [00:04]
asciilifeform their 470 (not k) resistors are marked correctly (470) but have resistance of 200. [00:04]
asciilifeform and that is -only one- problem [00:04]
asciilifeform i have not even bothered to look at the rest of it [00:04]
asciilifeform this was not part of the deal [00:04]
ben_vulpes they're more efficient [00:05]
ben_vulpes you didn't need to burn that current anyways [00:05]
ben_vulpes it's like i tell the boys [00:05]
ben_vulpes "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out. [00:06]
ben_vulpes " [00:06]
ben_vulpes extra cilantro get out of here [00:06]
decimation ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand [00:06]
ben_vulpes sure [00:07]
ben_vulpes and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor. [00:07]
ben_vulpes outrageous claims are outrageous. [00:07]
asciilifeform it isn't even about the money as such [00:07]
asciilifeform i would have gladly paid 4x more if guaranteed working. [00:08]
asciilifeform as in - hard guarantee [00:08]
asciilifeform as in, i get a head on a stake if doesn't work [00:08]
ben_vulpes glhf. not happening. [00:08]
danielpbarron i guess there's an obvious reason as to why they can't do whatever tests you are doing before they ship the things [00:08]
asciilifeform that's the idea here [00:08]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/32/32b4229145de0a2c1171b9b5757f25dfaa1bbf7b9be0b687be4dd5aec76a34d6.jpg [00:08]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: obvious idea is obvious [00:08]
danielpbarron it's intentional :< [00:08]
decimation testing boards is a whole other layer of complexity [00:08]
ben_vulpes shouldn't be, really. [00:09]
decimation could be done, but not over mass production of one-offs [00:09]
asciilifeform however, no one cancelled physics [00:09]
ben_vulpes no, it should be easy, decimation. [00:09]
asciilifeform testing that board corresponds to given gerber mask is trivial [00:09]
asciilifeform testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial [00:09]
asciilifeform testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable [00:09]
decimation yeah good point [00:09]
asciilifeform they do not need to know what it does! [00:09]
decimation I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually [00:10]
asciilifeform decimation: rubber suction cup, typically [00:10]
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ben_vulpes the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education. [00:10]
asciilifeform decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test [00:10]
asciilifeform some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this [00:10]
asciilifeform i even had opportunity to buy one [00:10]
asciilifeform for a few $k [00:10]
asciilifeform but no place to put it [00:10]
asciilifeform so passed it up [00:11]
asciilifeform fella even reserve-engineered the controle console, wrote own proggy, would have thrown in the source [00:11]
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asciilifeform but i had no climate-controlled space where it could fit. [00:11]
decimation yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error [00:11]
asciilifeform decimation: again, that was NOT what happened [00:11]
asciilifeform the fucker is marked 470. [00:12]
asciilifeform marked. [00:12]
ben_vulpes during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs [00:12]
decimation heh [00:12]
decimation so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts? [00:12]
asciilifeform i have no idea where they got them [00:12]
asciilifeform and for all i know the rest of the board also has no correspondence whatsoever to marked values [00:12]
ben_vulpes the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf [00:12]
decimation ben_vulpes: sure, for arbitrary $$$ can be done [00:12]
cazalla poor shrem, 2 years ago paraded around as the bitcoin millionaire kid, but today relegated to begging for $10 so as not to eat the prison food http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/ [00:12]
assbot So, I’m going to prison. Reflections from Bitcoins’ first felon | Charlie Shrem ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9S3sT ) [00:12]
cazalla "I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money." [00:14]
decimation asciilifeform should send him some smoked sprat [00:15]
asciilifeform idiot does not deserve one sprat [00:15]
decimation heh [00:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there is a reason why i am building own conveyor [00:15]
asciilifeform but it isn't happening in time for c3 [00:15]
asciilifeform and the motherfuckers knew that, of course. [00:15]
decimation noisy chump falls into the noisy usg chumpatron, news at 11 [00:16]
ben_vulpes news at 11 [00:16]
ben_vulpes hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3? [00:16]
* asciilifeform also chumped, out of 75 bux. did not really expect the thing to work [00:16]
* asciilifeform grinds in gears [00:16]
decimation asciilifeform: it appears you can RMA the thing [00:16]
decimation might as well turn the chumpatron wheel [00:17]
asciilifeform decimation: aha lol sure. these are going in my butterfly collection. [00:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lessee [00:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'copa airlines' [00:18]
ben_vulpes purchased direct? [00:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and 'aerolineas argentinas' [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51108 @ 0.00033045 = 16.8886 BTC [+] {3} [00:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nah through 'orbitz' [00:18]
decimation re: argentinean aviation: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article13640420.html [00:18]
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assbot Crew was filming when helicopters crashed in Argentina | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SnYQ ) [00:18]
ben_vulpes so i just received my new passport [00:20]
ben_vulpes i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw. [00:20]
decimation ben_vulpes, asciilifeform: http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/ < usg says that ar civil aviation bureaucracy is rated "1" [00:20]
assbot International Aviation Safety Assessment (IASA) Program ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SvaB ) [00:20]
ben_vulpes fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport. [00:20]
decimation ben_vulpes: I think you can pay to expedite [00:21]
ben_vulpes despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport. [00:21]
ben_vulpes decimation: i'm aware. [00:21]
ben_vulpes that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it. [00:21]
ben_vulpes anyways [00:21]
ben_vulpes i have the *passport* [00:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051059 << likeliest explanation [00:21]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 02:41:13; decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec [00:21]
ben_vulpes but my *other* documents. [00:21]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it [00:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: again, there is no detectable trace of a mistake in their procedure or in the physical board [00:22]
decimation ben_vulpes: did your passport come with 'rfid condom'? [00:22]
thestringpuller LOLOL [00:22]
ben_vulpes lol no plain book [00:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is at least one part where all four instances differ by a factor of ~2 from the marked value. [00:22]
asciilifeform MARKED value [00:22]
decimation ben_vulpes: the state dept faq claims they issue one with each [00:22]
thestringpuller decimation: i thought all passports had RFID chips in them [00:22]
asciilifeform on the thing itself [00:22]
ben_vulpes decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage? [00:22]
decimation yes [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... the cutout of the two boards sounds like a great blogpost. [00:23]
mircea_popescu write the whole story, send them a link. [00:23]
decimation 'metallized' paper bag [00:23]
ben_vulpes decimation: lol no. [00:23]
ben_vulpes std us mail envelope [00:23]
mircea_popescu decimation what's an ungrounded faraday cage supposed to do again ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu or do these new passprots come with a rail contact ? [00:23]
decimation like so http://www.idstronghold.com/ [00:23]
assbot RFID Wallet | Identity Stronghold | Credit Card Sleeve ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SDqG ) [00:23]
ben_vulpes ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route [00:23]
decimation it's not a true faraday cage, but it will attenuate [00:24]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt [00:24]
thestringpuller someone finds a 900 rt from US that'd be dope [00:25]
thestringpuller as long as I don't have to sit between two fat people [00:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00034124 = 19.3824 BTC [+] {2} [00:25]
ben_vulpes do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs. [00:25]
ben_vulpes trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes [00:26]
decimation actually I think the new 'chip n pin' implementation for credit cards in the us is rf-id based [00:26]
decimation so you gotta buy a stack of these [00:26]
ben_vulpes (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious) [00:27]
ben_vulpes (it'll be done in two weeks, i swear) [00:27]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ibidem actually means "in the same place". if you mean idem (ie, the same) say idem! [00:28]
ben_vulpes ! [00:28]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991265 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991268 [00:28]
assbot Logged on 25-01-2015 06:52:34; asciilifeform: chain of pointers << tree. [00:28]
assbot Logged on 25-01-2015 06:53:07; asciilifeform: (satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school) [00:28]
ben_vulpes right. [00:30]
ben_vulpes i want it in a database, though. [00:30]
ben_vulpes the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt. [00:30]
ben_vulpes but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely. [00:31]
mircea_popescu incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. [00:31]
decimation yeah I don't have enough database design experience to comment on that [00:31]
mircea_popescu there's absolutely no doubt this will be the largest usecase for harddrives going forward [00:31]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem. [00:31]
mircea_popescu and as they become obsolete in the future, ppl not wanting to upgrade their bitcoin archives will provide hdds with one of those ada or lisp-esque eternal lives. [00:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: filesystem specifically for blockchain storage << i spoke of this, right here in #b-a [00:32]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive. [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0003485 = 10.4899 BTC [+] {2} [00:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform either i missed it or forgot it! [00:32]
ben_vulpes lol no i [00:32]
asciilifeform 'That is very strange indeed. All of the house parts we currently carry are supplied by Digikey and Mouser, and are name-brand parts. At this moment, we only stock and only order parts from US vendors who are authorized vendors for the components we purchase. (This is why our BoM tool will often list parts as unavailable, even if they can be found at non-US or non-authorized dealers.) [00:32]
asciilifeform I will have our reels of 470 Ohm resistors verified first thing in the morning. I'd like to send you a return label in the morning to send the boards back, so that we can review the work on the boards and verify and replace any parts which are not testing at their required values. Additionally, this step would help us to determine what has gone wrong in the assembly and why your components are not operating within specificati [00:32]
asciilifeform on to prevent any future issues. If you are able to provide us a test procedure, we will be happy to use that to verify the boards before sending them back to you.' [00:32]
ben_vulpes nor* i [00:32]
asciilifeform ^ macrofab inc. [00:32]
NewLiberty ben_vulpes: "Gweedo" did quite a bit of RDBM crunching of the block chain for a project of his, he had many failures and learned much [00:32]
decimation asciilifeform: well at least they replied promptly [00:33]
ben_vulpes NewLiberty: who now? [00:33]
asciilifeform 'I will ship them back, but I needed working sample units -this week-. [00:33]
asciilifeform Not a month from now. [00:33]
asciilifeform And now I don't have them. [00:33]
asciilifeform And was going to order another, much larger, device made at your shop, [00:33]
asciilifeform but now find it very hard to believe that it will work to spec, before [00:33]
asciilifeform the deadline.' -- me [00:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they sound very nice you know ? i'd send them the boards an' detail. [00:33]
mircea_popescu omg stop being so petulant eh! [00:33]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh [00:33]
ben_vulpes you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc [00:33]
* mircea_popescu makes mental note : if alf spends time anticipating a nice itam and then doesn't get it, alf gets very pissy! [00:34]
asciilifeform now mostly pissed at self for falling for this nonsense [00:34]
ben_vulpes happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P [00:34]
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mircea_popescu NewLiberty what ever happened to that guy ? still around ? [00:34]
mircea_popescu !up NewLiberty [00:34]
-assbot- You voiced NewLiberty for 30 minutes. [00:34]
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ben_vulpes !up NewLiberty [00:34]
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NewLiberty Yes, he is still around [00:34]
asciilifeform no one can offer this particular good for the advertised price. [00:34]
NewLiberty Not so much on BCT, more on CryptoCrypt [00:35]
asciilifeform wondered what was the catch - turns out, this. [00:35]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. << i definately wanna discuss this. [00:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform seriously, send them the things, gotta help em. they're new. [00:35]
asciilifeform funnily, if it were a digital device (e.g., the mainboard) it'd have probably worked [00:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i will [00:35]
mircea_popescu mod6 if you write a spec or something ima read it, for whatever good that's gonna do [00:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform cool. [00:35]
NewLiberty He was doing a rdbs project with open API for folks that want cloud nodes but didn't want to run them. [00:35]
* decimation was hoping to send them some analog designs, was waiting to see what happened to ascii after he entered the chumpatron [00:36]
NewLiberty sort of like chain.com but open [00:36]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ok thanks! [00:36]
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asciilifeform on the flip side, all the folks who laughed at me for slowly grunting to build own p&p fab, can begin to consider stopping laughing now... [00:36]
NewLiberty His latest project though was for a bitcoin webcam company, pretty girls and such [00:37]
decimation I think the 'waldo' device is a great idea for building small prototypes [00:37]
NewLiberty https://goseemybits.com/ [00:39]
assbot GoSeeMyBits.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9TAzf ) [00:39]
NewLiberty I was an rdb wonk but my expertise is a decade or so stale. [00:41]
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mircea_popescu that is good right ? past decade all gunk ? [00:48]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: When you grow more shiva hands may I suggest a hobby? Photograph pine trees. Contemplate which one when converted to stake best matches each shitgnomism. [00:54]
decimation BingoBoingo: asciilifeform need only drive a few hours south to see the perfect stake-pine, the loblolly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_taeda [00:56]
assbot Pinus taeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9USue ) [00:56]
decimation for mounting the convicted at the appropriate height pour encourager les autres [00:57]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZ6hjiJmTU [01:00]
assbot Frank Zappa - Broken Hearts are for Assholes (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9Vdgm ) [01:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051148 << a whole team. [01:01]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 03:08:17; ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf [01:01]
decimation apparently the police shot some bum the wash dc subway http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/shooting-in-metro-system-dc-police-say/2015/03/12/8f3abf6e-c921-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html [01:02]
assbot Metro Transit Police fatally shoot man in Potomac Avenue station’s tunnel - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9VwI6 ) [01:02]
decimation maybe they were angry that some bum shot some cops in ferguson [01:04]
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mircea_popescu dead mouffat chick looks so very french. [01:06]
decimation to die for reality tv... [01:10]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/fuckkuppy.jpg [01:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ddfmab ) [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.0003237 = 6.4937 BTC [-] {2} [01:14]
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asciilifeform fuckkuppy.jpg << mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, whoever else cares - R6, R16 [01:17]
asciilifeform under enough magnification to show that marking is correct [01:18]
asciilifeform also sent to vendor [01:18]
asciilifeform left hand, right hand - one board each [01:19]
mircea_popescu is placing usually that approximative ? [01:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: placing is usually fairly exact, but they tend to float during reflow a bit [01:19]
mircea_popescu these look artisan handcarved [01:19]
asciilifeform so long as they don't float off the pads - no problem [01:19]
mircea_popescu aha [01:19]
asciilifeform mine look quite like this [01:19]
mircea_popescu ic. [01:19]
asciilifeform except that my R is light-blue and japanese [01:19]
asciilifeform and theirs... from mars ? [01:20]
asciilifeform and this is one part. 'won't eat whole egg to see how rotten' [01:20]
asciilifeform the other Rs that can be measured without removal are correct [01:20]
asciilifeform the Cs cannot be measured accurately in-circuit [01:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00035075 = 6.524 BTC [+] [01:23]
asciilifeform 'Two Secret Service agents suspected of being under the influence while striking a White House security barricade drove through an active bomb investigation and directly beside the suspicious package, according to current and former government officials familiar with the incident.' [01:24]
mircea_popescu you gotta know how to partaaay [01:26]
asciilifeform ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-agents-disrupted-bomb-investigation-at-white-house/2015/03/12/0eb74590-c8c4-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html ) [01:27]
assbot Secret Service agents disrupted bomb investigation at White House - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdiaEj ) [01:27]
trinque +mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive. << BeFS comes to mind; filesystem with relational features [01:33]
ben_vulpes fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards [01:34]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: l0l [01:34]
asciilifeform 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' [01:34]
trinque I think (but am less familiar with) reiserfs has the same sort of metadata querying [01:35]
trinque this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time [01:35]
trinque ben_vulpes: familiar with postgresql's large objects? [01:36]
ben_vulpes trinque: terrorist teknologees! [01:36]
ben_vulpes trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more [01:36]
trinque heh, and wife-killer tainted tech too! [01:36]
trinque ben_vulpes: these guys http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/largeobjects.html [01:36]
assbot PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.4: Large Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy6fyz ) [01:36]
trinque say you want to put your big-ass mkv movies in postgres along with their metadata [01:37]
trinque you totally can [01:37]
* asciilifeform runs reiserfs [01:37]
trinque and it doesn't slow down your queries, as the big shit is stored elsewhere of course and made reference to [01:37]
* asciilifeform has no plans to stop [01:38]
ben_vulpes this postgres as fs idea may actually have legs [01:38]
decimation ben_vulpes: postgres will make a decent fs [01:38]
asciilifeform ugh [01:38]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem [01:39]
trinque ben_vulpes: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/lo-interfaces.html#LO-OPEN [01:39]
assbot PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.4: Client Interfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy6EB2 ) [01:39]
decimation it'll be slow and cumbersome, but would work [01:39]
trinque pretty much like using fopen and whatnot [01:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol i didn't even say why [01:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but as it happens - it's another mega-c-turd [01:40]
asciilifeform with eons of crud to wade through [01:40]
decimation it's probably better than oracle my sql [01:40]
ben_vulpes eventually boy who cries wolf is ignored, even when wolf is coming [01:40]
ben_vulpes particularly then. [01:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: feel free to ignore. [01:40]
ben_vulpes particularly when woods are full of wolves. [01:40]
decimation ben_vulpes: the new hotness these days is some kind of nosql running on a cluster [01:40]
trinque decimation: fuck that shit [01:40]
trinque nosql is the same hipsterism that gets us nodejs [01:41]
ben_vulpes i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying [01:41]
decimation like mongodb [01:41]
trinque decimation: as those monstrosities "improve" they tend towards what rdbms has done forever [01:41]
trinque and invariably worse than what came before [01:41]
asciilifeform in principle any existing db gizmo that can be coaxed into using a single file for the store, is quite ready to be planted down on raw disk [01:42]
asciilifeform except that if said disk is mechanical, you will get impedance mismatches [01:42]
decimation they are perfectly fine if you really just want to store gobs of unstructured shit [01:42]
decimation but in reality you want structure [01:42]
trinque decimation: I don't believe that unstr... yeah that [01:42]
asciilifeform and if ssd, will get impedance mismatches during write if your db isn't tuned to match the cache [01:42]
ben_vulpes ^^ [01:42]
trinque hahaha [01:42]
ben_vulpes but in reality you want structure << this [01:42]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues? [01:43]
ben_vulpes i want data i can query with a 'sane' language [01:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: possibly. what's your application ? [01:43]
decimation ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree [01:43]
trinque decimation: depends on what questions interest you [01:44]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: applying software to business problems. [01:44]
ben_vulpes not pure "fast as fuck" compute problems. [01:44]
trinque or more importantly, whether you know those questions exhaustively in advance [01:44]
trinque (you don't) [01:44]
asciilifeform in all seriousness, 'associative computing : a programming paradigm for massively parallel computers' (j., potter, 1992) [01:44]
asciilifeform for folks who liked the 'twirl/twinkle' thread [01:45]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;" [01:45]
asciilifeform and eldrich db-like processors [01:45]
asciilifeform where you can 'ask each word' about something [01:45]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: for some reason i thought you were still speaking re: the blockchain! [01:46]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: blockchain queries are a business logic concern! [01:46]
asciilifeform (rather than db as used in your traditional $business) [01:46]
ben_vulpes i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck [01:46]
ben_vulpes optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data" [01:47]
trinque how else do you ask a computer an actual question? [01:47]
ben_vulpes if slow, i guess fine. [01:47]
ben_vulpes if bulky, idem. [01:47]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i see where i went wrong vis-a-vis ibid/idem now. [01:48]
ben_vulpes trinque: smokes? [01:48]
trinque ben_vulpes: I'm about to pass out mang [01:48]
ben_vulpes one last smoke [01:49]
ben_vulpes then i will as well [01:49]
trinque where you at? I wont smoke but I could walk [01:49]
ben_vulpes righto, let's stroll through the cemetary [01:49]
trinque it is decided [01:50]
ben_vulpes 's no recoleta, but it serves my needs adequately [01:50]
ben_vulpes see you shortly [01:50]
ben_vulpes sweet dreams unicodecoporeality [01:53]
decimation lol [01:57]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:12]
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asciilifeform http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YqsTjmiifFk/UsH1OWSRt9I/AAAAAAAAIJM/o4k7Wr_o8Uk/s1600/German+soldier+lighting+his+cigarette+with+a+flamethrower,+1940s.jpg [02:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRkDr9 ) [02:13]
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asciilifeform http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/russian-spy-laughing-execution-finland-1942 << also lulz [02:22]
assbot Russian spy laughing through his execution in Finland, 1942 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRlUOR ) [02:22]
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mircea_popescu 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' << i forget, what's the resistence of 1mm of air ? like 1mn was it ? [03:03]
mircea_popescu since we're doing rare shit : chick taking it in the ass http://40.media.tumblr.com/3a485bfec08126b605d4b84253043305/tumblr_n8mvzyCxQC1td0p2ho1_500.jpg [03:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKerN ) [03:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: very low once ionized [03:06]
decimation http://chemistry.about.com/od/moleculescompounds/a/Table-Of-Electrical-Resistivity-And-Conductivity.htm < 1.3e16 to 3.3e16 ohms per meter [03:07]
assbot Table of Electrical Resistivity and Conductivity ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKsPs ) [03:07]
mircea_popescu 4 x 10^13 ohm meters ios what im seeing [03:07]
mircea_popescu so actually more like 40bn per mm. [03:07]
asciilifeform ~3kV/mm [03:08]
asciilifeform iirc [03:08]
mircea_popescu aha. yeah [03:08]
asciilifeform at stp [03:08]
mircea_popescu course that's slightly different a measure [03:08]
asciilifeform good illustration for student is the toy 'jacob's ladder' [03:08]
mircea_popescu that's "piercing plate condenser" etc [03:08]
asciilifeform as seen in movie 'frankenstein' [03:09]
decimation aye, breakdown voltage greatly reduced once there is plasma [03:09]
asciilifeform http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-hrrg1/figure-02-jacobs-ladder.jpg [03:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKEyi ) [03:09]
asciilifeform https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/double-helix-jacobs-ladder.jpg << helical [03:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKIhx ) [03:10]
decimation ^ same reason you can bounce radio waves off of metor trails through the upper atmosphere [03:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051328 << i entertain no illusion of having invented it, that's fo sho. [03:11]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 04:31:31; trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time [03:11]
asciilifeform i (and $maxint other people) did it on 'commodore 64' floppy disks [03:12]
asciilifeform normally when storage is scarce (or data set is huge) one cannot afford the waste of 'file system' that is not the same as the organization for the set [03:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform what i had in mind tho, was more specficially "for blockchain only". [03:13]
mircea_popescu as in, trivially : make the sectors the size of a block [03:13]
asciilifeform well yes, that was the ancient thread [03:13]
decimation http://www.spaceweatherradio.com/ < listen to live meteor 'pings' (distant transmitter made audible via meteor trails) [03:13]
assbot Space Weather Radio: News and information about sunspots, solar flares and meteor showers ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbL2gd ) [03:13]
mircea_popescu make, perhaps, the storage plan a tree [03:13]
mircea_popescu erc [03:13]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867720 [03:14]
assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 17:08:55; asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.) [03:14]
mircea_popescu right. in which line : since all hdds come reflashable anyway, how hard would it be to rape a ssd like we're raping the pogo, i wonder ? [03:14]
mircea_popescu throw out its own blob, put in ours, make blockchain hdd. [03:15]
decimation eh? why bother? [03:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: trivial given that fr meade did all the heavy lifting and helpfully 'published' result [03:15]
mircea_popescu control of hw. [03:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr? [03:15]
mircea_popescu all this anti-tero stuff helping the real teros. [03:15]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050201 [03:15]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 16:56:15; asciilifeform: https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf << pp. 32,33 have hashes. [03:15]
decimation so you want to talk to the db over the sata bus? [03:15]
decimation it would be hilarious to do so [03:15]
mircea_popescu decimation why ? [03:15]
decimation not saying it's a bad idea, just amusing [03:16]
asciilifeform gnarly though [03:16]
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asciilifeform running various pieces on various chips [03:16]
decimation I guess I don't see much point, considering that even having a sata bus implies you have a computer [03:16]
decimation so why bother [03:16]
mircea_popescu i want, in this order a) a fully b-a computing stack for bitcoin ; b) utter disrespect for antecessors made manifest. [03:16]
decimation I can see why you would want to ensure the security of your drive, but that's a seperate matter [03:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so we mount raw 'nand' from different vendors [03:17]
mircea_popescu as far as i'm concerned, breaking any ansi standard is a net gain. [03:17]
asciilifeform pref. from mutually-hostile nations [03:17]
mircea_popescu sure. [03:17]
asciilifeform tandemed with 74xxx [03:17]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, might as well produce a pci-e card under s.nsa label [03:17]
asciilifeform i have all of this planned out. [03:17]
decimation with a pile of nand chips [03:17]
mircea_popescu then this discussion will suffice :D [03:17]
asciilifeform except that meanwhile i'm relying on, apparently, the profoundly retarded, to assemble b04rdz [03:18]
mircea_popescu lol. don't we all. [03:18]
decimation actually you could just use plain serial rs-232 bus [03:18]
asciilifeform there is no avoiding the final solution to it [03:18]
decimation not like you need high bandwidth anyway [03:18]
asciilifeform decimation: so long as it keeps up with blocks, theoretically [03:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, just to add : the people who have come before us have embedded into the very history of computing such burning, enraged contempt for us, that really damnatio is too good a fate. [03:18]
asciilifeform but in practice, gadget that takes years to synch, is not very useful [03:19]
mircea_popescu i don't think there's many fields outside of perhaps psychology where "practitioners" have for so long acted with such intense disregard for posterity. [03:19]
mircea_popescu the casual perusal of openssl that earlier article triggered has crystallized this point in my head. [03:19]
decimation mircea_popescu: just like (nearly?) everyone who opens a bitcoin exchange succumbs to the temptation to run 'fractional' [03:19]
decimation every hardware vendor succumbs to the temptation to pwn its audience [03:19]
asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html [03:20]
assbot Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbLHOJ ) [03:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that. [03:20]
asciilifeform ^ oblig. naggum [03:20]
asciilifeform try to appreciate the difficulty, historically, of getting the bloody things to work at all. [03:20]
asciilifeform from this boojum came the other sorrows. [03:20]
mircea_popescu i will appreciate nothing. [03:20]
asciilifeform it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap [03:21]
asciilifeform because originally the thing working at all - was impressive. [03:21]
mircea_popescu this is like "originbally, the bridge standing at all was impressive" [03:21]
mircea_popescu srsly ? when, this. [03:21]
asciilifeform dark age. [03:22]
asciilifeform like now. [03:22]
mircea_popescu the idea that you ~must~ code, whether it works or not, no matter what, is scandalous. [03:22]
mircea_popescu i don't code. principally because i can't be arsed to do a good job of it. [03:22]
asciilifeform sorta like 'must build bridge, even if out of corpses' [03:22]
mircea_popescu pfff. [03:22]
mircea_popescu there were no bridges in "dark age" [03:22]
mircea_popescu the bridge and engineering are co-generated [03:23]
decimation re: ~must code~ : historically there has been great profit in it, working or no [03:23]
mircea_popescu this is no argument in this discussion, tho. historically there has been great profit in all sorts of dumb shit. [03:23]
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mircea_popescu really, find me a piece of code written with a clear contrite consideration of "people will read this tomorrow" [03:25]
mircea_popescu in the manner people write fucking books. or at least did, before the great usian likbez pogrom [03:25]
asciilifeform knuth tried to convince folks to 'literate programming' [03:25]
asciilifeform (look it up, it was a try.) [03:25]
mircea_popescu so he did. i recall reading it and not understanding what he meant at the time [03:26]
asciilifeform this is approximately what he meant. [03:26]
mircea_popescu no, i actually read knuth like i read buffett. [03:26]
mircea_popescu i generally manage to identify the actual experts in fields. [03:26]
asciilifeform there we go [03:26]
mircea_popescu feynman, etc. [03:26]
asciilifeform mccarthy also understood the unfolding disaster [03:26]
mircea_popescu they're, contrary to what the "consumers have come to expect" like to pretend, very easy to find [03:26]
asciilifeform and likewise dijkstra [03:26]
asciilifeform very easy. [03:26]
asciilifeform to find. [03:26]
mircea_popescu "the thick book nobody ever borrows", generally. [03:26]
asciilifeform the very same. can go to uni library, and they're stuck together. like the volumes of lenin (true story. i unstuck'em) [03:27]
asciilifeform compulsively pulled on one, they all came out [03:27]
mircea_popescu hegel was the same way, in the cluj universitarian library. supposedly the european expert in hegel resided there. [03:27]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notice how all of the surviving sage works are by theorists. [03:31]
asciilifeform it is interesting to consider why. [03:31]
asciilifeform aside from 'the spartan speaks with his sword' [03:31]
mircea_popescu now /that/ is very dark ages. not that many practical moralists in 1200 [03:32]
mircea_popescu for that matter, not that many economists in soviet russia. [03:32]
mircea_popescu the *actual* kind, i mean [03:32]
asciilifeform more humble observation here, that making anything physical+original whatsoever on modern industrial base is titanically expensive, demoralizing, or both [03:33]
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asciilifeform or is it that smart folks avoid experimental work because, well, smarter? [03:34]
asciilifeform feynman diddled radio as a young man - but quit, note. [03:34]
mircea_popescu he broke safes his entire life tho. [03:34]
asciilifeform aha, but did not rely on result. [03:35]
mircea_popescu he was actually, in comparative terms, more of a noted expert in the field of safe cracking than in the field of physics [03:35]
asciilifeform did - for pleasure. [03:35]
mircea_popescu mostly because much fewer people did the former [03:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform writing a book of actual economy in moscow 1960 was equally titanical and demoralizing. or to get back to earth : a book on actual psychopathology in leningrad, bout same time. [03:36]
mircea_popescu folks even tried! [03:36]
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gabriel_laddel Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? [03:39]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine so. and if they did, what of it. [03:39]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: describe it as world's premier atomic dirigible, if you take pleasure in this [03:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, is the article of faith that jesus is coming on a great atomic dirigible from the sky to take us to the other planet and smite the unbelievers ? [03:40]
mircea_popescu or was that the other cult. [03:41]
asciilifeform arse rocket [03:41]
asciilifeform was j. smith's version, iirc [03:41]
asciilifeform there is actually a children's book with illustrations, yes [03:41]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: If people were to take issue with this perhaps I'm missing information (and thus need to learn xyz). I'm going to do as I please either way, but prefer to be accurate. [03:41]
mircea_popescu Fartse - The World's Premiere Gravity Well Degravitizer. [03:41]
asciilifeform (al schwartz linked to it at one point, long ago) [03:41]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel makes sense. [03:42]
asciilifeform degravitizer << sign me up, lol [03:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's sorta like a howitzer. [03:42]
* asciilifeform wonders if there is a single p&p robot or reflow line in all of .ar [03:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't understand. argentina is trying to support a romania-level living standard on the basis of... soy exports. [03:43]
mircea_popescu they used to export carne vacuna, but then failed to meet their quotas and lost the contracts. [03:43]
asciilifeform hey that's not so different from what i'm doing here on small scale [03:43]
mircea_popescu meanwhile romania is exporting nuclear technology, weaponry, high tech mechanics etc. [03:43]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: regarding "code as data" common lisp has the var *read-eval* you can bind to nil if you're processing code as data. [03:44]
mircea_popescu they don't have a drydock. or a car factory. or a truck factory. or a plane factory. [03:44]
mircea_popescu they don't even make bullets. [03:44]
asciilifeform i thought bullets were the one thing [03:44]
asciilifeform that .ar still remembered how to make [03:45]
gabriel_laddel also, pretty trivial to flatten some sexprs and check that only kosher symbols in it. [03:45]
mircea_popescu mnope. brazil took that over too. [03:45]
asciilifeform !s chicken also wants to live [03:46]
assbot 1 results for 'chicken also wants to live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chicken+also+wants+to+live [03:46]
mircea_popescu if china (and to some degree russia an' italy) stop propping them, argentina goes to meet cuba on its way to chad. [03:46]
gabriel_laddel *are contained within it. [03:46]
mircea_popescu on the positive side however : this is the closest you can get to china commercially without getting close to them in a political sense. [03:46]
asciilifeform i promise that i'd find this very interesting if had actual capital base... [03:47]
* asciilifeform tallies up value of organs [03:47]
mircea_popescu lol [03:48]
mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaSinPat << a fine example. [03:50]
assbot FaSinPat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb6W1G ) [03:50]
asciilifeform meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ceramic tile factory. [03:50]
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mats https://soundcloud.com/san-fermin-1/emily [05:30]
assbot "Emily by San Fermin - Hear the world’s sounds" ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKmyW ) [05:30]
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mats hm, won't be long til USD is worth more than EUR [05:35]
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mats " Strategists at Deutsche Bank expect the euro to fall to the $0.90 mark against the dollar by the end of 2016 and keep falling over the next 12 months to end 2017 at $0.85." [05:37]
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mircea_popescu clearly the "sanctions against russia" are working. [05:39]
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fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/AXThMpA.jpg [05:42]
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mircea_popescu lol is that srs ? [05:43]
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davout fluffypony: lol [05:57]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: no it's a joke [05:57]
fluffypony about as serious as the NO GO ZONES in Paris [05:57]
mircea_popescu wait those aren't srs either ?! [05:57]
fluffypony sadface emoticon [05:58]
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kakobrekla (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project' [15:30]
mircea_popescu lmao @weirdus [15:31]
asciilifeform the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain << NO. must be able to insert brand new drive in brand new unit and have it format. or replacement drive. [15:31]
asciilifeform at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless. [15:32]
asciilifeform and yes, systemd is coming to debian [15:32]
asciilifeform thing's dead. [15:32]
danielpbarron i am trying to come up with solutions that I myself might be capable of achieving; I'm not aware of anyone else who is working on this thing [15:33]
danielpbarron looks like gentoo might work on it [15:33]
danielpbarron http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install.xml [15:33]
assbot Gentoo Linux Documentation [15:34]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo. [15:34]
asciilifeform to no avail [15:34]
asciilifeform someone else might have better luck [15:34]
asciilifeform but that was originally how i ended up trying netbsd [15:35]
asciilifeform ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand) [15:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9663 @ 0.00032215 = 3.1129 BTC [-] [15:36]
mats http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/n829bm/#5bd0cd7 [15:38]
assbot N829BM - Private - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebwmsz ) [15:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what's the situation here, can't get an os for pogo ? [15:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can, with effort [15:40]
asciilifeform two leads: 1) port whatever's in netbsd to openbsd to get it going on pogo [15:40]
mircea_popescu so the breakdown is that you know how and he doesn't an' you're not telling him ? [15:40]
asciilifeform 2) find out why buildroot's kernel doesn't run on pogo [15:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, i think i made the handful of useful things i've discovered on the subject public on the listserv [15:41]
asciilifeform if i mentioned something here that wasn't included - please wake me up [15:41]
davout mats: nice! [15:41]
mircea_popescu so then it's more like, "can't get an os for pogo, we like to believe it can be done nevertheless" ? [15:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im jus' trying to get where we're at. [15:42]
asciilifeform i have a very impoverished (no nand yet) netbsd on mine [15:42]
asciilifeform but BingoBoingo's discovery has somewhat ruined my appetite for netbsd.. [15:43]
davout asciilifeform: what was that? [15:43]
asciilifeform davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051876 [15:43]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 14:35:56; BingoBoingo: various gnomings http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd [15:43]
davout ty [15:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if that's where it's at, danielpbarron has a point. gotta get it running, somehow. [15:43]
danielpbarron technically i have two of them "running" -- albeit with very nasty "through the mud" shortcuts [15:44]
asciilifeform if going to eat the meat regardless of from what animal - may as well run bitcoin on the stock linux that comes with that thing [15:45]
asciilifeform it'll run... [15:45]
danielpbarron one is half-way to being synced with the network [15:45]
mircea_popescu well, not regardless of what animal, but unless someone shoots a unicorn it will not be unicorn meat. [15:45]
asciilifeform in other news, i shipped the junk back to macrofab [15:46]
asciilifeform they promised to measure their stock of R's, but so far heard nothing [15:47]
asciilifeform i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values [15:47]
asciilifeform for digital circuit, the consequences are not immediately apparent [15:47]
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mircea_popescu you may be on to something there. [15:48]
asciilifeform i very much hope that i'm not [15:48]
mircea_popescu may account for all those cases of the zombie device. [15:48]
asciilifeform or that i'm on to something that isn't this [15:48]
mircea_popescu (mystically breaks, sent for repairs, returns fixed, breaks again, etc) [15:48]
asciilifeform because this is just Sad [15:49]
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asciilifeform and how on earth would it stay undiscovered until this [15:49]
mircea_popescu jobsworth. [15:49]
asciilifeform telling me that no one anywhere built an analogue whateverthefuck? [15:49]
asciilifeform what of all the ham radio folks [15:50]
mircea_popescu out of the millions of redditards generously employed to do tech support, millions are in "tech support stories" talking about how idiot customers are [15:50]
mircea_popescu 0 actually engage in hunting for bugs like this. [15:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the ham radio folks use older gear maybe ? [15:50]
asciilifeform they build new stuff [15:50]
mircea_popescu maybe out of old stuff they have in garage ? [15:50]
asciilifeform the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example [15:50]
mircea_popescu there's a definite age gap. kids born pre 1990 are more different from kids born after than slave owners from slaves in the deep south cca 1790 [15:51]
asciilifeform http://ad7zj.net/kd7lmo/ground_gnuradio.html << example [15:51]
assbot KD7LMO - GNU Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebz6WY ) [15:51]
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asciilifeform incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects [15:52]
asciilifeform (these would turn up in all 3) [15:52]
mircea_popescu well, one way to find out, of course, would be to get some new laptops/handhelds and measure their resistors. [15:52]
mircea_popescu can be done easy enough and undestructively, just turn the machine off and pop its cover [15:53]
asciilifeform if anyone owns a pair of 'hot tweezer' (soldering iron for removing smd parts) - go ahead [15:53]
mircea_popescu do they even have to be removed ? [15:53]
asciilifeform not everything is meaningfully measurable in-circuit [15:53]
mircea_popescu resistors tho ? [15:53]
asciilifeform because you cannot force the current of measurement to flow -only- through the resistor [15:53]
asciilifeform i was able to do it for r6 and r16 in own box because knew how it was arranged [15:54]
mircea_popescu yes hon, but you didn't get 207.5 parts for a 210 part [15:54]
mircea_popescu you got 400k or some shit [15:54]
asciilifeform i got ~200 for 470 [15:54]
asciilifeform (ohm) [15:54]
mircea_popescu now that'd be measured in circuit [15:54]
asciilifeform and hell knows what else for the parts that could not be measured [15:54]
asciilifeform that one was measurable in-circuit due to the way it was connected. [15:54]
mircea_popescu is there some way to connect a resistor in an unpowered, unshorted circuit so that i can't measure it without unmounting it ? [15:55]
asciilifeform for example of a trivial case where they cannot: [15:55]
asciilifeform wheatstone bridge [15:55]
* mircea_popescu takes advantage of b-a to refresh his electronics knowledge :D [15:55]
asciilifeform or i suppose not a plain wheatstone bridge, but one connected to something yet else [15:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, isn't that HOW you measure resistence in the first place ? [15:56]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in 1940s and prior - yes [15:56]
ben_vulpes 's how i did it in 'skool'. [15:57]
* mircea_popescu doesn't think this objection holds much water. [15:57]
mircea_popescu but here's a graduating hs class to bridge us over. http://41.media.tumblr.com/892db9f0182fd2b0fc69986349321c7c/tumblr_n7gasyXpPM1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg [15:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNsLXG ) [15:58]
ben_vulpes what is the /context/ for that, man? [16:01]
mircea_popescu you don't need context, it's an image. [16:01]
mircea_popescu i recall reading here. [16:02]
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mircea_popescu hahaha it was just pointed out to me that if you google for pretty much anything to do with btc b-a is probably in the results, and if you click over to images there's definitely some b-a ladies in there. [16:06]
mircea_popescu it's like boring boring b-a boring b-a b-a boring etc. [16:06]
thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yxsdd/satoshi_on_scaling_the_current_system_where_every/ << lets see how this turns out (bookmarks under "popcorn required") [16:20]
mircea_popescu it's kinda incredible to me that the entire intellectual production of the usg crowd is limited to merely rehashing points debunked within a week or two of the "controversy". [16:21]
mircea_popescu incidentally, "bbs where every user runs his own nntp server" is a) a better implementation of irc, which is a better implementation of bbs, which is dead tech and b) exactly where gossipd is going. [16:22]
mircea_popescu this is obviously a plain requisite for any government-proof system of anything. [16:22]
mircea_popescu if you allow "server farms" you also allow the government the power toi know which necks to squeeze, which in practice readily devolves to shrem begging for ten bucks because http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ [16:23]
assbot Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNwO6k ) [16:23]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, danielpbarron or someone, mind tweeeting that link in response to say https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/576158948950171648 [16:24]
assbot So, I’m going to prison. http://t.co/yFWlxcj4JP /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash [16:24]
mircea_popescu pour encourager les autres. [16:25]
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thestringpuller from: http://blog.cryptoconsortium.org/contributing-to-the-ccss/ "There are many ways in which you can help contribute to the CryptoCurrency Security Standard. While security experts have an obvious avenue for contributing, the standard also needs help from graphic designers, language translators, and proofreaders too, just to name a few." this is what permissionless innovation looks like in da infancy [16:27]
mircea_popescu !up shesek [16:27]
thestringpuller it looks like begging [16:27]
-assbot- You voiced shesek for 30 minutes. [16:27]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller this isn't "permissionless innovation", this is "standardization without permission". [16:28]
mircea_popescu when they're done doing that they can probably get back to riding their wooden horses or w/e nine year olds do when not monkeying the adults. [16:28]
thestringpuller "The CCSS is an open standard, born out of the belief that security should not be the defining feature of your service." << Why?!?!? [16:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's come to the point where i 'google xxxx' and get... own self having spoken of xxxx five minutes prior [16:29]
mircea_popescu win. [16:29]
mircea_popescu clearly, google thinks you're narcissistic :D [16:29]
asciilifeform l0ltr0n [16:29]
mircea_popescu lol [16:29]
danielpbarron mind tweeeting that link << done [16:30]
* asciilifeform had interesting email exchange with macrofab, where they showed photograph of their bobbin - labeled 'panasonic' - said they tested 50 random units; [16:30]
asciilifeform described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try.. [16:30]
asciilifeform one day these might come back sorta-working [16:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: re "standardization without permission" << it looks like bastardization. who the fuck says, "Security should not be the defining feature of a service". Does this roughly translate to: "CSS everywhere." [16:30]
asciilifeform probably looking rather scorched, as they'll have to desolder the shield frame [16:31]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: no broken kneecaps yet? gotta bring them to an "understanding" [16:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they tested random units came out the right value ? [16:32]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: for the budget, i can't even afford to break self [16:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so claimed, yes [16:32]
mircea_popescu very odd neh ? [16:32]
kakobrekla whats the problem, the inconsistency of resistors ? [16:33]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: see log [16:33]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bobbin.jpg << alleged bobbin [16:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNyBZb ) [16:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla apparently his thing got 400 instead of 200 ohm resistors, but funnily they carried the 200 markings [16:34]
asciilifeform opposite [16:34]
asciilifeform but yes [16:34]
asciilifeform and unknown other problemos [16:34]
asciilifeform they also confessed that 8.2k were mounted instead of 10k [16:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wow, 5% tolerances ? [16:35]
asciilifeform (which was not readily measurable in-circuit) [16:35]
asciilifeform 5% is adequate for this device [16:35]
mircea_popescu sure, but is it adequate for tianjin co ? [16:35]
asciilifeform probably not. [16:35]
mircea_popescu weird. "for your convenience, we have packed five half-resistence resistors separately, to bring the average to a 5% tolerance as you required" [16:36]
mircea_popescu then they put those in your thing. [16:36]
mircea_popescu problem solved. [16:36]
asciilifeform aha. [16:36]
asciilifeform and funnily enough, they weren't random all-over-the-place [16:36]
asciilifeform they were about half. [16:36]
mircea_popescu there's like 1k 470 ohm bits exactly, and then 10 items at 230, which make it be +-5% over the batch [16:37]
kakobrekla so the 1% ones should be +- 10% [16:37]
asciilifeform the 'cleanliness' of the wrong value suggests traditional chinese gnomery [16:37]
asciilifeform where they go 'we have two tonnes of Y and only half a tonne of X, let's relabel some Y as X' [16:38]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:38]
mircea_popescu they still do this ? i thought it was mostly a great leap forward into a brick wall phenoimenon [16:38]
asciilifeform !s melamine [16:39]
assbot 1 results for 'melamine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=melamine [16:39]
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ben_vulpes mod6: aha i see patches! [17:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00032698 = 6.5233 BTC [+] [17:26]
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thestringpuller https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1867.txt << this paper annoys me [17:26]
davout thestringpuller: wai [17:27]
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thestringpuller cuz there literally is no examples of how to implement the standard for binary [17:36]
davout thestringpuller: i'd use firefox to upload some small binary to http://requestb.in [17:39]
assbot RequestBin — Collect, inspect and debug HTTP requests and webhooks ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNIXbt ) [17:39]
davout so you can make your own example [17:39]
davout make form, use requestbin as action, *poof* [17:40]
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thestringpuller davout: this is pretty useful [17:45]
thestringpuller looks like I need to set headers to base64 and i should be good [17:45]
davout requestbin is neat [17:46]
davout "aux bons ouvriers les bons outils" [17:46]
thestringpuller That's a good phrase. [17:47]
davout yup [17:48]
thestringpuller Je travaille dur! [17:48]
davout :D [17:48]
thestringpuller I was trying to get wireshark to work, but it wants x11 and doesn't seem to work with quartz without poking at it. [17:49]
thestringpuller but don't think I need it [17:49]
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mod6 awe fsck [17:58]
mod6 jurov: are you here? [17:59]
mod6 can you delete these duplicates? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000064.html & http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000065.html ? [18:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AleRop ) [18:00]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ? [18:01]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:33:18; cazalla: b) some random cunt is talking about launching an altcoin whereby he "destroys an oz of gold on webcam" as proof of burn for creation of his altcoin [18:01]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051614 << lol, wut ? [18:02]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:34:36; cazalla: worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot [18:02]
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asciilifeform wat ?! [18:02]
cazalla i guess he forked #b-a or osmething [18:04]
Pierre_Rochard http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1052142 < like so: http://imgur.com/Dmby18r [18:04]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 20:57:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ? [18:04]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlggLA ) [18:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla can you be specific tho ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard nom! [18:05]
mircea_popescu "The Bitcoin protocol, when implemented correctly, has a degree of sybil resistance when it comes to partitioning and double-spend risk as an attacker must get _all_ your connections for those attacks, but this kind of activity can really violate user privacy since privacy attacks don't need to get all your connections; especially for SPV nodes which liberally broadcast their wallet addresses to nodes that they're usin [18:05]
mircea_popescu g as servers." [18:05]
cazalla mircea_popescu, it's just his username i am referring to [18:05]
mircea_popescu heh. gmaxwell actually says this much. [18:05]
mircea_popescu "spv wallets - horribru for your privacy." [18:05]
cazalla but still, that'd be like me coming here under the name whaleclub [18:06]
mircea_popescu cazalla well whatever, he prolly got the username way back. [18:06]
asciilifeform wtf is 'whaleclub' [18:06]
asciilifeform sybiltron << not only that one. there are others, that've been running for a good long time. [18:06]
asciilifeform !s noblis [18:06]
assbot 5 results for 'noblis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=noblis [18:06]
davout mircea_popescu: "how the fuck does one destroy gold ?" <<< aqua regia down the toilet [18:07]
mircea_popescu davout except now you'll have to add a proof of toilet. [18:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup. [18:08]
asciilifeform there was an ancient thread concerning sinking things in the sea, etc [18:08]
mircea_popescu just nothing the power rangers ever felt like discussing, prior. [18:08]
davout mircea_popescu: you actually need proof it was gold in the first place anyway [18:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read, if you have the stomach, the tardsthread. overall angle seems to be 'use tor now111!!!11!!' [18:08]
mircea_popescu "Chainalysis achieves this by doing sophisticated in-depth real-time transaction analysis to determine unique entities within the blockchain. Michael Grønager Chief Executive Officer Jan Møller Chief Technology Officer Jens Hilligsøe DevOps Engineer Kresten Krab Throup Consulting Architect Jørn Larsen Business Advisor" [18:09]
mircea_popescu for later. [18:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously. [18:09]
davout they think they're better than everyone with their fancy "o"s [18:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051627 << nuttin wrong with the man cave. [18:12]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:49:43; cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage [18:12]
mircea_popescu what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. [18:12]
cazalla mircea_popescu, cmon, i was drunk and rambling, lets please ignore all that shit from last night lol [18:12]
mircea_popescu but obviously this doesn't automatically apply to everyone's living arrangements [18:12]
mircea_popescu lol k [18:12]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/ [18:13]
mod6 ben_vulpes: ok good deal! i'm about to post the lastest version of the perl build script too -- which should pull v0.0.2 of the static-makefile patch. [18:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << try the pogo version ? [18:13]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors [18:13]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051650 << ahahahaha. [18:14]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:56:57; cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact [18:14]
mircea_popescu said.... everyone ever ? [18:14]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, they don't sell them locally, i am hopeful i can buy a plug it in and away it goes pogo from here once that is sorted [18:15]
asciilifeform where i live, many folks actually use their day jobs as 'man cave' [18:15]
davout asciilifeform: that's kind of the point of a day job [18:15]
davout :D [18:15]
asciilifeform davout: i though the point was to starve more slowly [18:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051657 << note that mp either. [18:15]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:59:12; gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed. [18:15]
mircea_popescu cazalla if you ask danielpbarron nicely he might ship you one. [18:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody works for money in the west. [18:16]
asciilifeform wai wat [18:16]
* asciilifeform works for [what passes for] money [18:17]
asciilifeform at least it spends a brief moment, like decaying subatomic particle, as 'money' [18:17]
asciilifeform producing 'decay daughters' food, rent... [18:17]
mircea_popescu http://jesuschristsiliconvalley.tumblr.com/post/46537875392/what-your-profile-picture-says-about-you-hint <<< i don't really get the femmeflame. [18:18]
asciilifeform perhaps this ^ is what mircea_popescu meant [18:18]
assbot Jesus Christ, Silicon Valley | What Your Profile Picture Says About You (Hint:... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alj6QP ) [18:18]
mircea_popescu some profile pics, let it go. not everyone's as socially awkward / sexually repressed as you, to use their feet in etsy shoes / anon ducklings as an avatar. [18:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform and if tomorrow they swtiched to company scrip, you'd work for that. [18:19]
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asciilifeform how different would it look from usd [18:19]
mircea_popescu get in the wot, you. [18:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform triangular. [18:19]
asciilifeform other than that - quite similar! [18:19]
asciilifeform scrip >> obligatory >> 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt / Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company store.' [18:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051686 << lmao. [18:23]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:06:41; gabriel_laddel: Everywhere. [18:23]
saifedean hey mp, to get back to your question about lebanon, here's what's interesting about it, beyond the hard money and best food in the world and great wine and beautiful people... less than an hour drive between beautiful sandy Mediterranean beaches and gorgeous ski resorts... it's the Alps on the Riviera [18:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know enrico caruso, right ? [18:23]
asciilifeform the opera guy ? [18:23]
asciilifeform or some other [18:23]
mircea_popescu saifedean cool! [18:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one. [18:23]
asciilifeform sure [18:23]
saifedean this weekend, for instance, people have to decide whether they want to ski, swim, or do both... i tell you lebanon is stressful [18:23]
asciilifeform why ? [18:23]
mircea_popescu now obviously our usian friends wouldn [18:23]
mircea_popescu t know, as aptly butch has observed : their names don't mean anything. [18:24]
mircea_popescu however, enrico was italian. any idea what caruso means ? [18:24]
asciilifeform ? [18:25]
mircea_popescu carusu is the sicilian word for boy. it derives off latin carens (missing) as in, inexperienced. [18:26]
mircea_popescu the word is infamous because it denotes the boys working the sulphur mines pre ww1 [18:26]
mircea_popescu now THAT is a story of "sixteen tons and what do you get". you get to be four foot tall and with adaptive modifications of the spine. [18:27]
asciilifeform they had these in britain also, aha [18:27]
mircea_popescu "Il Fumo" (pirandello), pretty good. [18:28]
mircea_popescu and re latest trilema article : someone check the html of a page, whadda ya think ? [18:29]
mod6 ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html [18:30]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051689 << amusingly enough, they ~are~. [18:31]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:35; gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle" [18:31]
mircea_popescu what really burns them is the football team issue. they don't wish to not be cattle per se. they're just pissed that they were "come to expect" that THEY were the chosen people on account of, why the fuck not eh. and whenever it doesn't work as they "came to expect", it is clearly the case that really it works, but for someone else, so... whoddunit ?!?! (not them!) [18:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051690 << i have my doubts about that. you gotta do shit here. [18:33]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:37; cazalla: anyway, one might argue, and i did try, that /pol/ is a short stop otw to #b-a [18:33]
asciilifeform wtf is /pol/ [18:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051692 << o noes, look what letting Adlai in has wrought! [18:34]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:09:09; cazalla: and i promoted it to /pol/ but i was shut down and accused of being jidf so [18:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform either reddit or 4chan or some other social media thing, politicas. [18:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051698 << romania is very ethnically homogenous, and they think the same about the gypsyes. it's patently untrue, but then again they're not thinking it because it'd be true. [18:35]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:10:52; cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation [18:35]
cazalla c'mon i was rambling after a bottle of wine, i don't want to be reminded of last night! [18:36]
trinque ahaha, logs, the curse of the evening drinker [18:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be, but you don't seriously intend to tell me the criteria actually is "because we got here yesterday rather than today, and the internationall cattle demarcation line happened this morning" [18:37]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. [18:37]
mircea_popescu poor cazalla lol [18:37]
davout cazalla: nobody'll judge you for being a racist alcoholic [18:37]
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davout :D [18:37]
* asciilifeform read mircea_popescu's newest article, with quoted thread; recalls earlier 'counter-economic spacetime anomaly' discussion also [18:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051721 << any planet of hats is doomed to failure. whatever the hat may be, hedonism no exception. [18:38]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:16:03; nubbins`: and we all know that a society of hedonists is a good society indeed [18:38]
cazalla davout, hah i know that, but anything i say here while drunk is really just recurring garbage from the last time i was drinking and chatting [18:38]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform check out the html declaration :D [18:39]
mircea_popescu davout i don't think he's even racist per se, not enough development of some sort of pseudogeneticist crackpottery. he's just angry in a diffuse sense. [18:39]
davout you're such an html rebel [18:40]
mircea_popescu lol "bitcoin university". best thing that ever happened to any diploma mill : when the webmaster stumbled on tardstalk/redditards den and added "bitcoin" to the name [18:40]
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mircea_popescu davout i'm also five. [18:41]
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NewLiberty asciilifeform: Whaleclub is a bunch of non-whales trying to be mini whales by 24hour chatting their trades. [18:41]
mircea_popescu NewLiberty you know i'm half tempted to send some girls to talk at them in that breathy voice . [18:41]
asciilifeform header << mega-l0l! [18:42]
NewLiberty https://www.whaleclub.co/live [18:42]
asciilifeform mini-whales! [18:42]
asciilifeform where are the mini-elephants ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051731 << i thought that was some sort of "awareness raising" anti rape / anti hiv / pro africa or somesuch. [18:42]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:17:31; gabriel_laddel: or VDARE. [18:42]
mircea_popescu can't remember which [18:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think i ate one. [18:43]
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mircea_popescu http://www.dare.org/ n, [18:43]
assbot D.A.R.E. America - Empowering Children to Lead Safe and Healthy Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1AloXFM ) [18:43]
asciilifeform ^ a true mega-l0l. this was a required 'course' in the school i went to [18:43]
asciilifeform in '90s [18:43]
asciilifeform there was actually a policeman guest lecturer, with briefcase of dope [18:44]
asciilifeform to make sure everyone can recognize the correct dope when his time comes, i suppose [18:44]
mircea_popescu i bet you he had ground sugar. [18:44]
NewLiberty The misinformation from d.a.r.e. probably led to more usage overall [18:45]
trinque NewLiberty: great way to make sure kids are aware that there are drugs [18:45]
NewLiberty yes, though they tended to call everything "narcotics" [18:46]
davout inadvertenly teaching them how to tell good from bad product apart [18:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051735 << no. because it offers a clear avenue of action. this is important. sane people realise shit's broken and want to do something to fix it. RIGHTNOW. any solution that provides them something to do will beat out of the field any solution that does not. [18:46]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:18:07; nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems? [18:46]
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mircea_popescu obviously a solution that encourages them to do shit on their own is even better, but generally "solutioners" are do-ocracists in the modlbug sense : they're chiefly tryting to build themselves a "4chan is not your army" army. [18:47]
mircea_popescu or i guess that harry potter fanfic writer guy w/e his name was is a better example of the principle, alf dictis. [18:48]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051752 << importantly, i did not round them up. that was the extand "party" [18:49]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:21:17; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"? [18:49]
mircea_popescu they had selected themselves over many years of revolutionary struggle. [18:49]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051771 << dude, i cook. [18:50]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:28:08; nubbins`: BUT THAT'S WOMEN'S WORK CAZALLA [18:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051792 << that i agree. [18:51]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:32:53; jurov: teach him latin :D [18:51]
mircea_popescu works better if you know latin in the first place, and i don't really know that many english speakers that do. [18:51]
trinque mircea_popescu: same shit in the US among the liber/paultards [18:51]
trinque doing is now making noise and nothing ever actually comes of any political gorup [18:51]
mircea_popescu which part trinque ? [18:51]
trinque *group [18:51]
mircea_popescu ah. myeah. [18:51]
trinque when I was about 17-21 I was deep in paultardation [18:52]
mircea_popescu well, it was instructive for me, and considering how little shit costs these days, i call it cheap enough. [18:52]
trinque only things that ever happened were talks, conferences, bullshit sign holding, etc [18:52]
NewLiberty What the whaleclub do not realize is that whales are not daytraders, not even mini-whales. [18:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051794 << no you're not. find a key to trust, trust that, you're just what "good people persons" always were : someone's cleric. [18:52]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:33:13; gabriel_laddel: you're fucked. [18:52]
mircea_popescu NewLiberty you know that ballas bit on the daytrader ? [18:53]
NewLiberty I don't think so, no. [18:53]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ [18:54]
assbot The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alrgsw ) [18:54]
mircea_popescu original linked from there. [18:55]
NewLiberty ...reading [18:55]
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trinque mircea_popescu: hm that is precisely the American idea of "made it" [18:56]
mircea_popescu right [18:56]
mircea_popescu !up mrting [18:56]
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trinque it's not working for a decade and building an empire; no no, it's "got it all, like it was nothing" [18:56]
trinque 21 year old CEO, company valuation of 30 bil [18:56]
trinque heh we're fucking children [18:57]
mircea_popescu the italian (which is, by the way, the paradigm of the failed state, and whose history the us is quite bound to repeat) term is sprezzatura [18:57]
mircea_popescu known since before isabella expelled the jews from spain in 1492, causing them to invent america. [18:58]
mircea_popescu (retroactively, the spring of same year) [18:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051809 << monolinguism is a purely ridiculous intellectual strategy. there's nothing wrong with speaking italian to women and german to horses, charles did it. [19:02]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:35:44; gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers [19:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051816 << while much of human thought is in fact captured in language (and i'm too lazy to hunt for the "language is really a shared preprocessor to crutch the supid" threads), nevertheless that is strictly bad schooling. it has nothing to do with the kid, or his language, it'll wash out of him within a coupla years. [19:04]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:12; gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language. [19:04]
mircea_popescu i saw romanian idiots stuck on the same thing. [19:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051817 << and how do you plan to find this ? [19:05]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:35; cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction [19:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051840 << who the fuck thought that ?! [19:06]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:51:02; nubbins`: tl;dr schizophrenia isn't as romantic as you think [19:06]
cazalla mircea_popescu, by observing what he gravitates towards and encouraging it [19:07]
mircea_popescu this is substantially different from the original quote tho. [19:07]
mircea_popescu yes, good idea to encourage kids. [19:07]
cazalla or at least providing an opportunity for him to intereact with things that my own parents couldn't afford or bother with in regards to me [19:07]
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mircea_popescu more important to humiliate them, in the limited sense of "here's what i am, and what i do, which you are not and do not because you currently suck. here's how you de-suck" [19:08]
cazalla yeah well, i was drunk so :) [19:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051872 << well... maybe it solves the problem for them so that they have to do no work and can just cash the checks for it magically working. [19:16]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 14:26:18; jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1" [19:16]
mircea_popescu that's how bitcoin works, right ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu https://i.imgflip.com/is9v9.jpg << ahahaha so very much this. [19:17]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051899 << nothing wrong with them spending a good chunk of the day like that, tho. [19:19]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 16:27:54; ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies." [19:19]
mircea_popescu 8 to 10 hours maybe. [19:19]
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danielpbarron You are blocked from following @Radomysisky and viewing @Radomysisky's Tweets. Learn more << lolol 2 in one day [19:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051934 << ahaha [19:21]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 17:04:39; danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo -- it's very nice, and if anyone wants such a machine I highly recommend it [19:21]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron what did you do to this one. [19:21]
danielpbarron http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html << these instructions [19:22]
assbot Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) [19:22]
danielpbarron using SD card [19:22]
danielpbarron i duplicated the results on the cheaper model as well [19:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051947 << say wut ? srsly ? [19:23]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 17:39:08; danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.) [19:23]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares what the usg says, even. [19:23]
danielpbarron yeah and it's also against the law for me to take my OpenBSD cd set out of the country; the crypto is too strong or something [19:23]
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danielpbarron and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export [19:24]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:24]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/ec311024e2b87ee830afc0fc594e6336/tumblr_njaoogkKpj1sr1f5fo1_1280.jpg << we are this amused. [19:24]
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davout danielpbarron: the ban on crypto export is still a thing? [19:34]
danielpbarron i don't see how it could possibly be enforced in a meaningful way, except to hassle people who are on the badlist [19:35]
davout i thought is was dropped altogether a while ago [19:36]
davout http://imgur.com/c0A38AW <<< bwhahaha [19:36]
assbot A little bio lab humor - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlzYXx ) [19:36]
danielpbarron oh idk, i copy pasted that from an OpenBSD README file [19:36]
davout wikipedia sez most regulations were dropped, but not all [19:38]
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BingoBoingo and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export << So long as Open Source perfectly reasonable to export. [20:11]
BingoBoingo In my limited understanding of these matters. [20:12]
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asciilifeform danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo... << if danielpbarron (or anyone else) has -built- a linux kernel of whatever description, in such a way that it runs on pogo - please wake me up & show. [20:24]
asciilifeform all of the work i'm aware of so far uses the same 2 or 3 binary turds [20:24]
asciilifeform presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. [20:25]
asciilifeform (my original vision for the 'pogo' experiment wasn't simply to have a cheapo linux box that runs bitcoind, but to have a box where there are only a few MB of weight -total- -- thus making audit into something like a realistic possibility) [20:26]
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asciilifeform and at the risk of repeating myself, i'll say why it must boot and run from eeprom [20:27]
asciilifeform 1) initialize a new disk without having to use a computer and involving the rotten pc ecosystem in any way [20:27]
asciilifeform 2) -and this is the important one- -- imho these need to eventually run from rom. actual rom. or at least eeprom with the write-enable leg snipped & grounded. [20:28]
asciilifeform sd card, incidentally, offers no proper means of write protection [20:29]
asciilifeform (the lever found on many such cards is not electrically connected to the internal flash!) [20:29]
asciilifeform it is a 'polite suggestion' for the system, only. [20:30]
asciilifeform why it is built like this, ask hitler not me [20:30]
davout asciilifeform: wasn't that the exact same for floppies? [20:42]
BingoBoingo davout: Floppies though are purely passive. You need to bring a drive to the disk. SD incorporates the drive. [20:45]
asciilifeform davout: yes [20:45]
asciilifeform davout: though iirc pc drives would normally respect in hardware [20:46]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure, but "eventually". [20:59]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/silk-road-moderator-pleads-guilty-faces-life-imprisonment/ [21:37]
trinque how the fuck is anything to do with drugs "life in prison" [21:40]
asciilifeform trinque: it was never about the dope per se [21:40]
trinque asciilifeform: rather, the successful bitcoin business? [21:40]
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asciilifeform even prior to bitcoin [21:41]
asciilifeform it's about 'imperio in imperium' [21:41]
cazalla trinque, i changed it to could face, my bad [21:41]
trinque cazalla: well even so [21:42]
cazalla i'm sure they'll want to make an example though [21:42]
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trinque killers routinely get what, 15-20? [21:42]
trinque we must be 10 years off from televising torture for public entertainment, if that [21:44]
trinque maybe it's a calculated targeting of such and so, but I think the mindless bloodlust of american culture also plays a part [21:45]
trinque *especially* when the target is involved in some kind of techno-nerd shit. take him down! he thinks he's better than us! [21:46]
asciilifeform trinque: 'full spectrum dominance' [21:46]
trinque spot on [21:46]
asciilifeform and megalomaniacal 'gott mit uns' items like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Nrol-39.jpg [21:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwGGb ) [21:47]
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trinque asciilifeform: heh, always makes me laugh to consider what the mouth is resting on [21:47]
asciilifeform http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NROL-39-rocket-with-logo-650x427.jpg [21:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwLcT ) [21:47]
trinque arse too if I recall octopus anatomy [21:47]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/dBtkHzl.jpg << moar [21:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwS8f ) [21:48]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/VWy1bgE.jpg << yet moar [21:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwQNy ) [21:48]
cazalla once he's locked up, perhaps i'll write him a letter asking why he didn't fight extradition [21:48]
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cazalla if i had to guess, he was likely told they'd take it easy on him and public defender told him to go with it [21:49]
asciilifeform cazalla: also not proven fact that he didn't [21:49]
trinque asciilifeform: lol @ anubis' missile-cock [21:49]
asciilifeform usg must be assumed to lie unless there is actual reason to suspect it may have told the truth [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16990 @ 0.00033073 = 5.6191 BTC [+] [21:50]
cazalla of course, but he was arrested december 2013, waived rights march 2014 and shipped off in november 2014, didn't take long [21:51]
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trinque cazalla: could just be one of those self-defeating types that gets into such things due to psychological issues [21:51]
trinque then one day the govt shows up at his door and he pisses himself [21:51]
cazalla even the aussie guy from drink or die fought off his extradition for 4-5 years [21:52]
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mircea_popescu it's about 'imperio in imperium' << quite. [22:13]
mircea_popescu lol at that octopus thing [22:14]
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mircea_popescu trinque actually likely has it. [22:15]
PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-03-2015#1051552 << J. Smith vision is 'Earth will be transformed into a sea of glass populated by those who deserve the glory of god', no rocket needed [22:17]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 06:37:11; asciilifeform: was j. smith's version, iirc [22:17]
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asciilifeform https://youtu.be/xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << linguistic/historical interest only. didn't know there was an engl. transl. of this. even a pretty bad one. [22:30]
assbot На поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhXcUB ) [22:30]
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mircea_popescu PeterL what, like goldfish ? [22:50]
PeterL sure, I guess that works [22:51]
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asciilifeform 'PS [nsa police] is the only police and security organization in Maryland equipped with vehicle-mounted thermal imaging devices.' -- nsa newsletter circa 1999, pp. 10. ( http://cryptome.org/2015/03/nsa-newsletters-1999.pdf ) [23:06]
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asciilifeform mega-lol re: 'whaleclub', which apparently requires proprietary turdware to connect to! [23:12]
asciilifeform 'teamspeak' - something kinda like 'skype' [23:12]
asciilifeform will the lulz never end? [23:12]
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mike_c they aren't pretending to be bigshots, it's just a bunch of TA's derping around [23:14]
mike_c (technical analysts) [23:14]
asciilifeform regardless of who or why [23:14]
asciilifeform the proprietary chat client thing is hilarious [23:14]
asciilifeform i mean, wtf ?! [23:14]
mike_c how else to do it? [23:14]
mike_c it's voice chat [23:14]
asciilifeform why is voice chat even a thing [23:15]
mike_c gaming. for them, idk. [23:15]
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cazalla surprised they're using it tbh, mumble is far more popular in recent years [23:18]
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decimation mumble is open source [23:19]
decimation asciilifeform: for online gamers voice chat is popular for obvious reasons [23:19]
asciilifeform but that isn't what they're doing [23:19]
cazalla asciilifeform, even if Ts wasn't proprietary, it'd be pointless to download as you can't just connect and chat with them [23:19]
cazalla which is what i was gonna do last night ya know, bit of a chit chat, bit of a yarn but nope, gotta wait in some other room to be screened [23:20]
decimation lol they have some kind of moderator in the 'screen room'? [23:20]
cazalla didn't hang around to find out [23:20]
cazalla on one hand i get it, ya don't want random drunks coming in carrying on while you're having a conversation, but they are easily muted [23:23]
decimation asciilifeform: supposedly panasonic has a good reputation in the passives market [23:23]
asciilifeform decimation: betcha it wasn't always a 'made in china' affair [23:23]
asciilifeform (clearly printed on the bobbin, note, are these words) [23:23]
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cazalla ;;later tell xanthyos if you ever manage to break your cock again, i read you can now get a replacement in south africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31876219 [23:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:27]
assbot BBC News - South Africans perform first 'successful' penis transplant ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOoJOL ) [23:27]
decimation the japanese are famous for highly specialized component manufacturing [23:28]
asciilifeform not only [23:29]
asciilifeform to this day the only genuinely reliable electrolytic capacitors are, afaik, from jp [23:29]
asciilifeform and folks have a devil of a time chasing down specifically these, and not identically-marked cn turds [23:29]
decimation yeah, and companies like murata that have a corner on ceramic filters, etc [23:29]
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mircea_popescu !up nomen [23:32]
-assbot- You voiced nomen for 30 minutes. [23:32]
mircea_popescu i mean, wtf ?! << it's widely used by gamers. [23:32]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah but 'traders'? [23:33]
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mircea_popescu decimation actually traders use a very similar thing to replace phones [23:33]
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mircea_popescu equally proprietary, at least. [23:34]
mircea_popescu re: electronic bits. funny what's left once a major empire collapses. japan used to own the electronics trade. and they still do, except... it's mostly moved away from the stuff they make. [23:36]
decimation yeah much japanese manufacturing has moved to china [23:38]
decimation http://io9.com/kim-stanley-robinson-says-colonizing-mars-wont-be-as-ea-1691315529 < no shit [23:39]
assbot Kim Stanley Robinson Says Colonizing Mars Won't Be As Easy As He Thought ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzlhb0 ) [23:39]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:40]
decimation 'imaginary mars was totally easy to colonize' [23:40]
mircea_popescu best make a kickstarter [23:40]
decimation http://www.space.com/21554-mars-toxic-perchlorate-chemicals.html < most amusing part [23:40]
assbot Toxic Mars: Astronauts Must Deal with Perchlorate on the Red Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzllaL ) [23:40]
mircea_popescu wait till they discover the CARBON [23:40]
mircea_popescu it's worse than global warmed earth! [23:40]
decimation apparently mars is 1% perchlorate which fucks with your thyroid [23:40]
decimation your jug of bleach is sodium perchlorate, this is calcium perchlorate, but the idea is similar - concentrated bleach [23:42]
mircea_popescu so apparently there's exactly one producer of niobium oxide capacitors, and you can't put an order in. [23:42]
mircea_popescu but anyway : it'd seem on cursory inspiection that the components market is actually not very healthy. [23:42]
mircea_popescu "Perchlorate is not a common word in the English language; all of us had to go and look it up," << pls resign now. [23:44]
decimation heh yeah [23:44]
mircea_popescu " said Peter Smith, the Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson. [23:45]
decimation correction: your jug of bleach has sodium hypochlorite, not sodium perchlorite [23:47]
mircea_popescu it can have either [23:49]
mircea_popescu (perchlorate tho) [23:49]
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decimation at any rate, it's nasty shit [23:51]
mircea_popescu well you're not supposed to drink it. [23:51]
decimation no, but it will probably get everywhere in your 'mars habitat' [23:55]
decimation as if such a thing will exist [23:55]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802108 [23:55]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 05:33:36; mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater. [23:55]
* asciilifeform once used ammonium perchlorate as pcb etchant [23:55]
decimation could be used as rocket fuel too [23:56]
mircea_popescu i dun think mars is habitable. [23:56]
mircea_popescu people have trouble making rent down on earth, what mars. [23:56]
asciilifeform ^ that's actually the main appeal i think [23:56]
mircea_popescu what, "that" ? [23:56]
asciilifeform herd thinner. [23:56]
mircea_popescu lol [23:56]
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mircea_popescu stupidity is not a function of the size of the herd. [23:57]
mircea_popescu !up bagehot [23:57]
-assbot- You voiced bagehot for 30 minutes. [23:57]
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bagehot Thanks for the !up, mircea_popescu [23:57]
asciilifeform not size, no. size is effect of taking the higher cut. [23:57]
asciilifeform where was the stupidity on the net circa '88, etc. [23:57]
decimation bagehot: here to tell us of the bank of england? [23:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: NbO caps >> 'They also do not exhibit any piezo effect and have no voltage dependence, thus making them a good fit in coupling circuits.' << guess what. [23:59]
asciilifeform !s microphonics [23:59]
assbot 4 results for 'microphonics' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=microphonics [23:59]
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