Forum logs for 12 May 2019
| mp_en_viaje: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-11-may-2019#2534428 << don't be silly, r160 is 18x3, 50sqm or so. about six-seven of those (outside dimensions) | [00:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 00:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or about 1.5 new york subway cars. | [00:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i dunno if you realise this, but that floor metrage has to also be cleaned, maintained etc. you can count about 100sqm / 1k sqft per slavegirl, 320sqm will be dificult for just two women to keep up with. | [00:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | traditional sovok 4-room large fambly hruscheba "first comfort" was iirc about 80 sqm. | [00:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile ny is chock full of 250 sq ft apts, and that dun mean rent has to be under 1k/mo | [00:24] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: robovac sweeps 100 m^2 / hr or so. | [00:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | keks. | [00:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | mkay | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | year aint 1700 nomoar, 'clean' dun have to mean 'chix on knees with tongue an' toothbrush' | [00:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912557 << ro also fulla law school precious cuntlets nowadays. in fact, it seems the principal change | [00:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 00:39 asciilifeform: the chatter of the 'precious cuntlets' at the expo was 'interesting' -- 'which law school are you at?' '..something..' 'ugh! i hear it's fulla republicans!' etc | [00:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | pretty much the same idle derpage, "policymaking", "lobby", "we went to vietnam"... erryone's an eu bureaucrat nowadays. | [00:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mp_en_viaje> i dunno if you realise this, but that floor metrage has to also be cleaned, maintained etc. you can count about 100sqm / 1k sqft per slavegirl, 320sqm will be dificult for just two women to keep up with. << And the acreage will need quite a few alpacas, goats, and geese to mow | [00:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, nah, robomow mows 1 hectare/hour. just ask alf the theorydog. | [00:29] |
| asciilifeform: | why even mow. what, gotta play football on it ? | [00:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you'll be cited by the city for neglect | [00:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | It's a Quinta, why the fuck is the nitrogen the grass ate going to get wasted | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | keep jungle off walls is enuff in same jurisdictions. | [00:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | sometimes i think you never actually owned real estate anywhere. this is how this works : in all places where mowing costs x, the city will fine you x * q if you don't. | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | over here indeed fine by city etc | [00:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Linked property actually "city" even if barely. | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: yes and it's reason # 9000 why asciilifeform wants out | [00:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you'll still have to do SOME maintenance on your property. | [00:31] |
| asciilifeform: | to keep walls standing - yes | [00:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | there's no out in the absolute sense (except of course yest helmet, i guess) | [00:31] |
| asciilifeform: | meaningful maintenance , have no prob with | [00:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> why even mow. what, gotta play football on it ? << Insect control | [00:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yes, well, maintenance scales with size in all cases. and especially if meaningful. | [00:32] |
| asciilifeform: | 'paint wall shade #3 of blue cuz usg commissar proclaims ' - ugh | [00:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | even if "i make orchard" -- either you cut the trees, clean them and generally support them, or you end up with a mess. a hectare is easily 2-3k trees, a tree is easily 20-30 hours a year, do the math. | [00:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and yes, even in orchard, grass still has to be cut. at least 3 times a year. | [00:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and so on. | [00:33] |
| asciilifeform: | 3x is approx how often i cut it here lol | [00:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | Even pasture *needs* grazed. | [00:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yup. and then the cows need milking. or else cow mastitis, and dead cows, and flies. | [00:34] |
| asciilifeform: | and i suppose reactor also needs care or meltdown | [00:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | quite. | [00:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | And if the grazers don't get moved in a healthy rotation pasture goes desert as in all of the old world | [00:34] |
| * asciilifeform | presently w/out cow, and, believe or not, w/out own reactor | [00:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | so then why scoff at 3500 sqft | [00:35] |
| asciilifeform: | strictly b/c price | [00:35] |
| asciilifeform: | would expect , in orcistan, a small town, for 200k | [00:35] |
| asciilifeform: | complete with serfs. | [00:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | 6 hectares = 60`000 square meters, ~650`000 square feet. cents to the sqft, you object to ? whai ? | [00:36] |
| asciilifeform: | was re indoor sq m | [00:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | 200k in my barrio gets recent 1 bedroom or problem 2 bedroom, some interesting "horizantal" properties. Never more than 75 sqmeters on list (though nothing sells for list) | [00:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, you can have the small town, complete with serfs, and won't cost all of 200k either. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911973 | [00:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-08 17:26 mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. | [00:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ? | [00:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | nobody wants the serfs now, like nobody wanted the blacks in 1819. like nobody wanted the gypsies in ro at the same time. | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate i'ma let the folx who actually have 200k, think about whether good deal, for asciilifeform sadly academic q entirely. | [00:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | cost more to feed than their inept efforts bring etc. | [00:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mp_en_viaje> however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ? << Other odd marginal benefit of particular linked example. Rare Quinta with fiber. | [00:38] |
| asciilifeform: | and yea can readily see mp_en_viaje's pt re the serfs | [00:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the whole schtick re slaves is that ~selected~. | [00:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bulk slaves are a burden. | [00:38] |
| asciilifeform: | лесоповал , really not good for much else | [00:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways in other examples: https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-461759843-casa-quinta-en-venta-melilla-2-dormitorios-financia-_JM << "protegido por la DINAMA" means "Fuck you, worthless" and https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-462960529-en-melilla-_JM << All of these apple trees need replaced with something marketable | [00:42] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: what's wrong with apple trees ? | [00:43] |
| mp_en_viaje: | (this is a major kek for me whenever among "bdsm people". all sorta incels who explain it to themselves not as strict incapacity, but as selectivity, "i can't find a woman because i want a SLAVE not just a gf". hurr durr. then they figure i have two, and this means twice more than one, and hm... this local guy doing the local flabour of nursing precious cuntlets services has one... so that's half". no, i | [00:43] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-28 14:51 mircea_popescu: the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking. | [00:43] |
| mp_en_viaje: | t's not fucking half -- exactly in the sense buying one lottery ticket doesn't give you half of the tickets held by the guy holding WINNING lottery tickets) | [00:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: The cultivar in that case. "Pink Lady" doesn't sell here. | [00:44] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, i'd have expected it's for export anyway. | [00:44] |
| asciilifeform: | or to distill rotgut | [00:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | Possible. "Gala" cultivars have made it here though which means anything else is a niche. | [00:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | Because the mass market is dumb | [00:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | There's also Quintas with 5 hectares of eucalyptus which means defending and energy store from theft. | [00:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | Because everyone in this country is camping means firewood is the local energy resource | [00:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | Smog isn't as bad as it was earlier tonight, but it still smells like a coughdrop bondfire outside | [00:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | eucalyptus is actually terribru firewood | [00:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | It is and yet, for some awful reason in 1989 they started a program of planting forests of the stuff to have a domestic fuel reserve | [00:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | I have yet to learn the word for chimneysweep in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure I haven't seen ads for any | [00:55] |
| mp_en_viaje: | high resin, and some of the hoghest quality resin in the world. i don't think they can be swept manually. need a drezine. | [01:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Yeah, dunno why they didn't just go for pine. | [01:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | Any pine really | [01:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | But... a million little creosote distilleries... | [01:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | Or depositories | [01:07] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912563 << but there's the smartphones. | [01:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 00:45 asciilifeform: ( likbez : the 'sprat men' had highest standard of living in entire sovok. today -- lowest in eureich, 50-60% of male population cleaning toilets in berlin, london ) | [01:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, can you do me a solid and fish out the lafond piece where he explains how white dorks think, "black man asking for the time hasn't done any overt aggressive act, therefore can't crack him one" ? | [03:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | One minute | [03:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10996 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4927 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10139 | [03:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | I've got some options, could swear I remember a better piece from lafond on the subject | [03:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | was it maybe tlp ?! | [03:42] |
| BingoBoingo: | I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked, | [03:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | insane approach | [03:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | But https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309 seems to be the canon explainer | [03:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10996 also close to what I remember, but not quite | [03:45] |
| mp_en_viaje: | now that is one stupid fucking habit | [03:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | It is. Was hard to tell it was one he engaged in because the site is so disorganized, yet here we are. | [03:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the irony of it all being that i ask people for the time ALL THE GOD DAMNED TIME | [03:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, you are a person who needs the time. | [03:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | Before I understood the awful pichi accents (accent clarity degrades rapidly with declining social position here) I answered all the bum requests with "Ya tengo" whether I have the item in question or not. Got the time "Ya tengo", Want Maracoña "Ya tengo", Una Moneda para comer algo "Ya tengo", etc. Don't stop scowl and eventually the pool of potential new bums runs out. | [03:57] |
| mp_en_viaje: | keks | [04:01] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/ << Trilema -- Diviziuna sexual-a muncii : fetele la gym, io la vidya. ? Tot acolo! | [04:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | mp_en_viaje: Small town problems. | [04:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/#selection-227.160-231.236 << The coins here are steel which means the way to excite a bored latina is put the heavy 10 peso coins in the freezer to chill. | [04:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | haha | [04:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | loose coins and chill ? | [04:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, an escalation from the tickle fights | [04:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | Slot a cold one in the crack | [04:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | There is a 50 peso coin made of a sort of bronze of similar size, but... The steel 10 peso coin has more mass | [04:39] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912683 << asciilifeform was dumb enuff to buy a couple of these. opened, 'fuck, this is same material as in blog!' they're propping up monitors nao. | [11:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 07:43 BingoBoingo: I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked, | [11:48] |
| feedbot: | http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Comba for Ch. 11 FFA | [12:08] |
| * mp_en_viaje | put the girls to weeding garden. | [13:00] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i can say it is a lotta fun. | [13:00] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, portable en_viaje garden ? | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ... or was this the 'partidul mp' hq thing..? ) | [13:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, dood, bvt's optimizations are actually pretty sweet | [13:06] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, well, i got a house, i thas a garden. | [13:06] |
| asciilifeform: | neato | [13:06] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it's not big or anything, just some rose bushes | [13:07] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and you know... weeding. doesn't look like much, esp not to town girl, till she gets to do it. | [13:07] |
| mp_en_viaje: | suddenly... | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: bvt's asmism is correct near as i can tell ( i have not walked with magnifying glass. ) the 1 gotcha is that the actual win from'em aint measurable until bolt'em onto ch14b+ ( where knuth's division is no longer the bulk of the cpu load ) | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | in < 14 , it'll ( and iirc he confirmed experimentally ) be just scarcely palpable diff. | [13:08] |
| mp_en_viaje: | he also says so himself. | [13:08] |
| asciilifeform: | aha iirc in last ch, said, with exact figure. | [13:08] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, nah, he cuts ~70% of runtime | [13:08] |
| mp_en_viaje: | 5.9 > ~2 | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | from multiplication per se aha | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate it's great, bvt did already 60-70% of what asciilifeform thought he would have to do himself after errything else | [13:10] |
| asciilifeform: | i fully expect that the asmistic branch of ffa will be sewn out of bvt's item | [13:10] |
| mp_en_viaje: | very nice. | [13:10] |
| bvt: | hi. the exact cut will depend on what % of ops in barret are mults | [13:10] |
| lobbesbot: | bvt: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, and 14 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> ty for digging up the 1801 materials dun suppose you could get the author in here ? | [13:10] |
| mp_en_viaje: | afaik >haldf | [13:10] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: iirc 80+% by wallclock | [13:11] |
| bvt: | then, perf increase should be substantial | [13:12] |
| asciilifeform: | there's no reason not to bake similar asmisms for e.g. add/sub/neg, shifts, etc. tho. | [13:12] |
| asciilifeform: | then can have 'speed demon' branch of the thing. | [13:12] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bvt, i expect, yes. he's convinced otherwisw fo rsome reason. | [13:13] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile in wtf, "Beware verbal commands against groups or larger individuals if they are ebons. Unless you look like some big beast like Tony Cox or are some easy going white negro like Big Ron who has that easy grace that telegraphs ass-kicking proclivitiesin other words if you are a normal range mana command to hoodrats in the hood can get you all the respect that Chinese Gordon got at Khartoum from the Mahdi." (lafond) | [13:13] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what the fuck, SIX fuckingreferences, i don't have any single one of them. wtf is a tony cox. what mahdi. | [13:13] |
| bvt: | asciilifeform: depends on whether there will be a usecase for such item, but in any case shifts/adds should be simpler than comba | [13:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | if you/re gonna use the high culture style, at least have the fucking decency to have read the high culture books. wtf, can't do this reference-reference bullshit on nobodies from the colonies. | [13:14] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: pre-barrett ffa , when rsaing, spends most of wallclock time in fz_mod , is all. which dun multiply. in 14+ , i fully expect 2-3x boost from asmism (possibly higher, with massage w/ magnifying glass for pipelineism etc ) | [13:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | not that he doesn't have a point, when dealing with morons gotta telegrap to the lizzardbrain. i don't speak to them either, just hands. | [13:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, so basically you're saying, for chapter 14 and that alone, it won't help ? but pre-14 and after 14, will ? | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | mno | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | pre-barrett -- small effect. with barrett -- substantial. | [13:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | oh, you meant it's there, it just can't be measured ? | [13:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | um. he already is showing major effect ? | [13:16] |
| bvt: | only on mult, not on modexp | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/#selection-93.193-97.1 | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [13:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | right. | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | so errything as expected. | [13:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | aite | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | i expect in the end , say <100msec 4096bit modexp, will be achievable on typical irons | [13:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ( note that asciilifeform's 'standard tester' box, where currently, sans any asmisms, ~1.7 s for same, is 3-4x slower than 'typical irons' of recent years ) | [13:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | that are just about fatwah'd anyways. | [13:21] |
| asciilifeform: | imho you defo wouldn't want to ffa on a post-2013 amd, or any intels etc aha | [13:22] |
| asciilifeform: | there's still plenty of usable irons faster than asciilifeform's tho. | [13:22] |
| asciilifeform: | even mp_en_viaje's 'fx' i suspect. | [13:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what is the box ? | [13:22] |
| asciilifeform: | 2393SE , 3.1ghz | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | 512kB cache. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Third%20Generation%20Opteron%202393%20SE%20-%20OS2393YCP4DGI.html | [13:24] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ah. yeah. | [13:24] |
| asciilifeform: | these won't win any speed records, but i like'em, they go years b/w downtimes no prob ( i take'em down strictly to clean fans ) | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ecc ram etc. | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | speed of ram, interestingly, has ~0 effect on ffa timing, given as the working set ~always fits in cache | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | in the parlance of seymor cray et al, ffa is 'cpu-bound problem' | [13:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | aha. | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and really, as observed by mp_en_viaje in prev. thrd, 'bus width bound' ) | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | this is trivially verifiable experimentally : build for 32bit ( 'MachineBitness' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch18/iron__ads.htm ) and get ~exactly 2x slower. | [13:31] |
| bvt: | this would actually be interesting for x60 machine owners as well. the register pressure would also increase on i386 | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: with straight (no asmisms) 64bit ffa, i found ~exactly 2x slower on x60 than on the 2393 | [13:37] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw | [13:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ( x60 , at least the 1 in my collection, is an early 64bit intel 'T2400' ) | [13:38] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 of the last, if not ~the~ last, intel chipsets w/out the 'me' boobytrap | [13:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ~exactly is a great item on its own. | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [13:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile in "shit, i forgot this article even existed", http://trilema.com/2014/the-fallacy-machine/#selection-141.0-141.788 | [13:40] |
| asciilifeform: | x60 is sadly rare nao, but the rubbish box i sent to spyked has same chipset, he can say later if confirms this benchmark. | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ( 'toy' lappy , approx. size of vhs tape ) | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | btw spyked , outta curiosity, didja have to pay eurotax on that thing ? how much ? | [13:43] |
| bvt: | hm. i have the same, but T2400 is 64bit in 'PAE' sense, not in register width sense. | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: i'ma have to boot mine up an' see , then, cuz it's defo running a 64bit errything. | [13:44] |
| bvt: | please check, because all docks pointed into '32bit only' direction - perhaps it was disinfo. | [13:44] |
| * asciilifeform | blows dust off x60... | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | brb | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | aah there it is : | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | t7200 @ 2.00Ghz 4096kB cache | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | and yes running in longmode | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. 1 of their 1st amd64 clones | [13:46] |
| bvt: | right, t2400 is 32bit, t7200 is later generation - 64bit | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc we had a thrd about this at one pt. x60 apparently came in at least 3 variants | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | the 1 i have , is this. | [13:48] |
| bvt: | at the time i was getting mine - only w. T2400 and iirc slower cpu were available | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421281 << orig. , i think, thrd re this specimen ) | [13:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-03-03 20:46 asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601544 << subj of above. | [13:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 18:50 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | ( aaalso subj of the infamous 'rms laptop' thrd. ) | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | at one time i had 'x61' also, but pronounced it sad and sent it to, iirc, gabriel_laddel | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | who sold it to feed his dope habit | [13:55] |
| bvt: | is it that much more stable with lenovo bios? i had it overheat with both orig. and coreboot variants, so stayed with coreboot | [13:56] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: i had it overheat ~immediately when put under load with the 'rms coreboot', so went back to vendor's ( with above patch, or can't use civilized nic in it ) | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | with vendor's, never once overheated, under any load | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | cuz it has working fan control. | [13:57] |
| bvt: | it has an annoing problem of producing high-pitched noise when running with ext. input devices or wlan on, but overheat happends only after ~45 min of compiling, which i don't do any more. | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc it is possible , with the sad coreboot, to peg fan to run at 100% forever. but then you have not a lappy but an 'air cleaner' .. | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: sounds like you have a dud inductor, rather than overheat | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | mine fwiw happily runs for week+ (never had occasion to longer) under 100% cpu, and no issues | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | then again i do clean these things yearly. | [14:01] |
| bvt: | could be, i never got to disassemble and check the board after changing wlan card. | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | when buying vintage lappies, dun fughet to scrub inside, and (if can get) replace fan. | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | some folx dun clean, result is 'petrol station toilet' inside of lappy. | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | use lint-free tampons on stick, the same kind as for rifles | [14:03] |
| asciilifeform: | 1st with medical alcohol , then dry. | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | re-grease (alumina, not silicone, greases), tighten. | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | !Q later tell phf plox to snarf sig in http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/ ( and diana_coman 's earlier ) at your earliest , into btcbase, ty | [14:08] |
| lobbesbot: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [14:08] |
| bvt: | the kind of cloth used for lens cleaning works as well? | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: in principle oughta | [14:09] |
| * asciilifeform | brb:meat | [14:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | pretty sure it's exact same thing, material wise. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | 'microfiber' aha | [14:52] |
| * asciilifeform | has witnessed chinese 'microfibers' that still managed to leave crapola behind, however | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | re lappies : recently someone wrote to asciilifeform re an rk lappy supposedly in pre-production . | [14:58] |
| asciilifeform: | will have to see, to believe ( same people coupla yrs ago sold a 'kit-assemble' arm lappy, but was legendarily shoddy ) | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | this 1 claims rk3399 (same as in ye olde c101pa thing and various chinese boards) | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | nao if had fully working arm gnat also... | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | !#seen ave1 | [15:02] |
| a111: | 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites. | [15:02] |
| bvt: | asciilifeform: rk3399 is a bit trickier in usage than rk3328 of pizarro rockchip -- big.little arch, so scheduling and power management have to come from rockchip kernel tree, not vanilla. | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: my 3328 boxes run off rk's branch to begin with | [15:07] |
| asciilifeform: | 'vanilla' never worked afaik. | [15:07] |
| asciilifeform: | nao this ~may~ have changed some time in past yr, but i am loathe to bake new kernels when i have a working one. | [15:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and in fact would rather leave 'repentant linus'-era kernels entirely alone, if it can be helped, and if cannot , would prefer to pilfer patches an' backport intelligently to old kernel , if it comes to this ) | [15:09] |
| bvt: | iirc changed, but too recently to even consider a switch anyways | [15:09] |
| asciilifeform: | as a rule asciilifeform does not 'fix if it works' | [15:09] |
| bvt: | it is not clear to me if big.little ever worked acceptably with linux -- they are tuning even today | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc phf built a working c101 kernel (i.e. 3399) | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | but not yet posted recipe | [15:11] |
| * asciilifeform | digs for thread, but cannot immediately find | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun recall whether all the periphs worked | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | porting linux to oddball irons does sometimes feel like 'writing in the sand' -- you sweat, then the thing goes out of print and 'ocean washes away' | [15:13] |
| bvt: | i have a http://archive.is/EUW9n item at home, with kernel from some arm64 distro and pizarro rockchip rootfs, but i never got time properly setup this device (plan was, run trb node) | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: you'd have to connect a real disk to have a useful trb, but otherwise i can't see why not | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | btw bvt the archive link is a blang pg | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | *blank | [15:15] |
| bvt: | i have an m.2 nvme ssd there, but the hw setup is convoluted enough to recommend bying *some other* board for these purposes | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | i recall this board, tho, rather costly imho for what's on it | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( beyond this, cannot comment, i do not have one. and i dun much like soldered-on-wifi boards, tbh ) | [15:17] |
| bvt: | (chinese messed with m.2 port wiring, need to buy strange adapter board to bring it to sanity) | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | this btw was the dealkiller for asciilifeform re the 1 and only recent mips board on the market -- it had non-removable wifi | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | 'ci20'. i picked one up in iirc 2015, it gathers dust | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf is with the ubiquitous plague of non-expandable ram, incidentally | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | really, save 5 cents on dimm socket ? | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | and result is ~useless board, no canhaz trb in 1GB | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | it's almost like these things are carefully designed to be unusable for any serious job | [15:21] |
| bvt: | well, those are devboards, i don't think anyone sells them as a serious item. but amateurs - buy | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | there's nuffin physically impossible about baking an arm (or mips etc) board that eats socketed ecc ram. but there seems to be a de-facto usg fatwa against'em, or sumthing | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: where are the 'non-dev' boards, then ? | [15:24] |
| asciilifeform: | normally 'dev board' means, you can prototype, yes. ok, done prototype, where can have production ?? | [15:24] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912831 << aye verily. | [15:24] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 19:09 asciilifeform: ( and in fact would rather leave 'repentant linus'-era kernels entirely alone, if it can be helped, and if cannot , would prefer to pilfer patches an' backport intelligently to old kernel , if it comes to this ) | [15:24] |
| bvt: | to my understanding you design them yourself devboards are just for testing the cpu/chipset | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: aahahaha but then try an' source the chip. | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | it aint stocked anywhere, last i saw. | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g. 'digikey' stocks even i386. but not that mips. (or any other mips, aside from early 2000s microcontrollers like 'pic32' ) | [15:28] |
| bvt: | yes, but nevertheless the boards with these chips appear every day. perhaps need to show inca earplugs of some minimum size to get them? | [15:29] |
| bvt: | (talking about rk3399 here) | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | bvt: naturally, to inca it's all gettable. | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | to folx with serious chinese presence, prolly also gettable. | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | we had iirc entire thread about this, 'chinese problem'. parts that only ever get mounted in china, tend to not get exported 'naked' at all | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | which makes building prototype board quite tricky if you aint already chinese | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | ( before mp_en_viaje asks -- it sadly aint practical to take a unit off an existing board and reuse. they're all bga . ) | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | the moar significant problem tho is that it aint clear whether 'the game is worth the candles', for xyz chinese part. and to answer the q, takes considerable effort and expense, cuz the demo boards are ridiculously crippled. | [15:35] |
| asciilifeform: | the chinese are comically inept imho, to the point that it aint clear whether they even want to live. | [15:36] |
| asciilifeform: | ( where the fuck, for instance, is their http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909567 ?? ) | [15:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-23 23:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- thing defo aint a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite 'fits-in-head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig instruction set | [15:37] |
| * asciilifeform | brb:teatime | [15:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912841 << pretty sure i still have some. | [15:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 19:14 asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it | [15:49] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912858 << keks. | [15:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 19:24 asciilifeform: normally 'dev board' means, you can prototype, yes. ok, done prototype, where can have production ?? | [15:50] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you don't understand technology, do you. it's like policymaking, what production. | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | given as the cn folx actually do ship irons, asciilifeform had notion that they differ from 'precious cuntlets of washingtonistan'. but evidently not ~so~ different . | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | evidently it is possible to have cargo cult with working (in a sense) planes. | [16:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | So today there was a big futbol game between the two big teams. Game hyped up as "Campeon de Siglio"... The game ended in a 1-1 tie | [18:11] |
| mp_en_viaje: | typical. | [18:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | Stadium restrooms were destroyed, but no biogoop was harmed this time. | [18:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | All of this energy for the most boring sport, no energy for anything else | [18:29] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/05/uk-met-police-document-on-internal-investigation-into-organized-crime-ownership-of-their-force/ << Qntra -- UK: Met Police Document On Internal Investigation Into Organized Crime Ownership Of Their Force | [19:34] |
| billymg: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912543 << this looks not bad actually | [22:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-05-12 00:29 BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in outer barrio properties for the entertainment of billymg et al https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-462251834-oportunidad-casa-quinta-en-venta-por-viaje-65ha-_JM | [22:59] |
| billymg: | this is what i most want to avoid | [23:01] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-24 00:55 asciilifeform: 'we saw you got 10 btc and didn't declare, that'll be 900k plz by tuesday' | [23:01] |
| billymg: | but still unclear to me the best way to do so | [23:01] |
| billymg: | asciilifeform: if you don't mind me asking -- in that thread you made a good case for leaving the reich as soon as possible, but i've also seen threads (can't find right now) where others in the channel have tried to convince you of the same, without any luck | [23:05] |
| billymg: | so i've always wondered what's kept you here | [23:07] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/05/iran-us-carrier-is-not-a-threat-but-an-opportunity/ << Qntra -- Iran: US Carrier Is Not A Threat But An Opportunity | [23:21] |
| asciilifeform: | billymg: it's very simple -- money. i work for living, and have never done it anywhere other than in the reich, 'meatwot' is there. | [23:40] |
| asciilifeform: | billymg: for past coupla yrs i worked for folx who actually don't care where people live. but suppose it folds... | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ... and i did have to go to it physically 1ce, to audition. and earlier, had to work in ninth circle of hell for 6mo+ while looked for it in the 1st place. | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | arguably it comes down to a stupid choice of profession. the software pseudo-industry only really exists in the reich + its tendrils, afaik. | [23:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i've lived on the wage of unskilled labourer before. and not interested in doing it again, would rather be gassed. | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform: | that's moar or less it. | [23:53] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl:meat | [23:53] |
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