Forum logs for 12 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation yeah ec2 uses gpg 2.0.25 [00:00]
trinque mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo [00:00]
trinque what shell is supposed to be running the next one [00:00]
mod6 it's a bourne shell script /bin/sh [00:02]
trinque my sh does not have -xu [00:02]
trinque I think in debian sh is dash, maybe? [00:02]
mod6 ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think. [00:03]
trinque k [00:03]
mod6 ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol. [00:03]
* trinque strokes the cargo [00:03]
mod6 thanks for testing trinque [00:04]
asciilifeform still cranking 'boost' [00:04]
mod6 ahh, ok cool. [00:04]
mod6 did you get through the perl script ok alf? [00:04]
asciilifeform wai wat [00:05]
asciilifeform is that in the sh somewhere [00:05]
trinque mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build [00:05]
mod6 no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind [00:06]
mod6 for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8 [00:06]
asciilifeform neh it is [00:07]
decimation interesting, it seems that it works just fine on amazon linux [00:08]
decimation so it's not a gpg2 thing [00:08]
mod6 ok so your amazon linux is running gpg v 1.4.10? [00:09]
decimation no 2.0.25 [00:09]
asciilifeform built deps, croaked on not finding bitcoin src [00:09]
danielpbarron oh uh.. i'm not running on a x64 machine (if that means bits in processor) [00:09]
asciilifeform why are these separate scripts again ? [00:09]
mod6 danielpbarron: yeah, that'll be a problem. what os/arch are you on? [00:10]
mod6 asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh' [00:11]
danielpbarron gentoo i386 [00:12]
mod6 so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete. [00:12]
mod6 danielpbarron: ok, change line 4 to: "32", line 6 to: "x86_32" and line 8 to: "linux-x86_32" [00:13]
mod6 and cross fingers [00:13]
mod6 i've never tested this on 32bit so this is a first. [00:13]
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mod6 in fact. [00:13]
trinque decimation: did you try changing that home var to something else? [00:13]
decimation yes [00:13]
trinque I search and replaced mine with BUILD_DIR [00:13]
trinque so as not to mask $HOME [00:13]
decimation I'll try that [00:14]
danielpbarron of what, auto.sh ? I hadn't even gotten that far yet [00:14]
mod6 while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build. [00:14]
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mod6 (130 = "strip" command) [00:14]
mod6 sorry, yes. [00:14]
* mod6 is slow. [00:15]
decimation trinque: no that didn't work [00:15]
danielpbarron no sorry i'm just distracted by the 3d gun guy trying to impress me on twitter [00:15]
mod6 at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries. [00:15]
mod6 heheh. [00:16]
mod6 np, thanks for your help. [00:16]
decimation it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx [00:18]
mod6 hmm. noted. thanks decimation [00:18]
danielpbarron fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514 [00:20]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious [00:20]
decimation ok I fixed it [00:21]
decimation http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2001-April/008269.html [00:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Z2HE ) [00:21]
decimation you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks [00:21]
asciilifeform what means '50 usd worth' ? that it cost you that much bandwidth ? [00:21]
asciilifeform danielpbarron ^ [00:21]
decimation (add it to your gpg command line in the script) [00:21]
mod6 decimation: nice find! [00:22]
danielpbarron idk, twitter makes up the number; that's what it would have cost me to promote it myself (if not for wilson himself actually replying to it and getting it free attention) [00:22]
asciilifeform link? or was it boring [00:22]
decimation see if that's backwards compatible to gpg v1 [00:22]
danielpbarron https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575817719272071168 << pretty lulzy [00:22]
assbot “Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA [00:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: mega-snore [00:23]
asciilifeform it's a 'you. -- no, you. -- no, you. ... ... ...' [00:24]
* asciilifeform naively thought that wilson would have actually replied to the linked thing [00:25]
danielpbarron nobody every "actually replies" to stuff on social media [00:25]
* asciilifeform not sufficient zoologist to say if this or not [00:26]
decimation it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information [00:27]
decimation ok my centos6 box appears to lack 'realpath' [00:27]
asciilifeform neh just better people [00:27]
mod6 ok, here's version v0.0.9.1 (seems to work with --lock--never added to lines 279 & 305 on v1): http://dpaste.com/2WRMSD7 [00:30]
assbot dpaste: 2WRMSD7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8ZZzu ) [00:30]
mod6 also removed $HOME for $BUILD_DIR [00:30]
mod6 s/--lock--never/--lock-never/ [00:32]
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decimation ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin [00:35]
mod6 oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp [00:35]
decimation yeah I saw that heh [00:36]
mod6 yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" [00:36]
danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << output of auto.sh (with your modifications for 32) [00:36]
decimation ok that works [00:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ABg ) [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00036841 = 27.9623 BTC [+] {3} [00:36]
mod6 ok here it is again. sorry: http://dpaste.com/2MB8HVF [00:37]
assbot dpaste: 2MB8HVF ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ERu ) [00:37]
* mod6 looks at danielpbarron's paste [00:37]
decimation sigh, no package realpath is available [00:37]
mod6 yeah, that's required from the original pogo script. [00:38]
mod6 there's a realpath bin you can install iirc [00:38]
mod6 danielpbarron: try editing the script and getting rid of the -xu thing after /bin/sh [00:38]
mod6 im glad we're all trying this now. [00:39]
danielpbarron bash: ./auto.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [00:40]
mod6 one sec, i'll get you a new one. pastebin fucked us. [00:40]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049562 [00:40]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing [00:41]
decimation ok yes that last dpaste works for me [00:41]
decimation danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line [00:41]
decimation because it sucks [00:41]
danielpbarron why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them [00:41]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/3656FHF.txt [00:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18doWfE ) [00:42]
decimation donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them [00:42]
mod6 yeah, pastebin sticks on CRLF's... like a derp [00:42]
mod6 so ... i guess perhaps we try with dpaste and see. [00:42]
danielpbarron same problem [00:43]
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asciilifeform dos2unix [00:43]
mod6 i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites. [00:43]
decimation try > dox2unix auto.sh [00:43]
decimation mod6: on centos6 you can use /bin/readlink -f to substitute for 'realpath' [00:46]
mod6 ah! ok good to know. [00:46]
danielpbarron :e ++ff=unix [00:49]
danielpbarron ^ that fixed it in vim [00:49]
mod6 yeah, that works too. cool [00:49]
danielpbarron ok it's compiling [00:51]
danielpbarron i commented out that line you told me to [00:51]
mod6 thanks, that's good. i'll have you do a `cd bitcoin/src ; readelf --dynamic bitcoind` when its complete. [00:53]
mod6 i haven't compiled on a 32bit system yet so this is a great test. [00:53]
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decimation the 'installing docs' step is really slow [00:57]
decimation it's downloading the boost tarball [00:58]
decimation sucks [00:58]
mod6 yeah, it's like 60mb or something. [01:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00035449 = 14.924 BTC [-] [01:19]
decimation stupid redhat doesn't supply zlib-static by default [01:21]
asciilifeform you don't need zlib!!! [01:21]
asciilifeform in bitcoin. [01:21]
asciilifeform it isn't used anywhere. [01:21]
decimation it wants to link [01:21]
asciilifeform nix it in the bitcoind make [01:22]
asciilifeform as shown in my old instructions. [01:22]
decimation also -l dl [01:22]
asciilifeform it doesn't ever get used. [01:22]
decimation does it dynamically load code? [01:22]
decimation why does it need libdl [01:22]
asciilifeform damned if i know. kill it. [01:22]
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asciilifeform (winblows version may have used that) [01:23]
BingoBoingo !up jitenm [01:24]
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decimation nano redhat calls static pthread pthread_nonshared.a [01:24]
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mod6 hrm. ok, i'm gonna try building without -l dl and -l z [01:25]
danielpbarron mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << got an error :< [01:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYdWV ) [01:25]
mod6 ok thanks danielpbarron. [01:26]
mod6 i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version. [01:27]
decimation ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl [01:28]
decimation apparently centos doesn't come with a static libdl or libm [01:29]
danielpbarron it might be the thing i ran into last time i tried this [01:29]
asciilifeform why dl again [01:29]
asciilifeform zap it & say what dies [01:29]
decimation it puked without it [01:29]
danielpbarron i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" [01:29]
asciilifeform let's see the puke [01:29]
mod6 i wanna say that i ran into that as well. [01:29]
mod6 cant recall for sure though [01:29]
mod6 i'll know in a minute. [01:29]
decimation /build/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): In function `dlfcn_globallookup': dso_dlfcn.c:(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `dlopen' [01:29]
mod6 ah yeah that [01:30]
asciilifeform wawhat [01:30]
asciilifeform is that in openssl ? [01:30]
decimation why is ssl linking to dl [01:30]
asciilifeform ! [01:30]
danielpbarron i just changed it and it gave same error, but maybe because I didn't start from scratch [01:30]
mod6 danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably. [01:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.015 = 1.05 BTC [+] [01:31]
decimation asciilifeform: whatever you thought you knew about openssl is truer than you thnk [01:32]
danielpbarron oh wait, i want to be compiling this for arm don't I? [01:32]
asciilifeform which openssl this was again? [01:34]
decimation the label says 1.0.1g [01:34]
asciilifeform aahahaahaha. [01:35]
mod6 danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. [01:35]
asciilifeform https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/OPENSSL_config.html [01:35]
assbot OPENSSL_config, OPENSSL_no_config - simple OpenSSL configuration functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYJEd ) [01:35]
asciilifeform achtung shitgnomologists! [01:35]
asciilifeform even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking. [01:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who gives a damn ^^^^ [01:35]
decimation asciilifeform: does this really dynamically load crypto from disk at runtime? [01:36]
asciilifeform https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/engine.html << moar [01:36]
assbot engine - ENGINE cryptographic module support ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYLvT ) [01:36]
decimation who would ever think that is a good idea? [01:36]
asciilifeform decimation: ahaha, guess who [01:36]
decimation imma gonna load me critical pathways from a random .txt [01:36]
asciilifeform see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' [01:36]
asciilifeform i meant it [01:36]
asciilifeform and what's more, For Reasons [01:36]
decimation the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." [01:37]
decimation and then fails to name a single reason [01:37]
mod6 here's my output from no "-l dl" and no "-l z" in the makefile: http://dpaste.com/0YYYWEJ [01:38]
assbot dpaste: 0YYYWEJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYXeM ) [01:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu wants a provably-correct replacement. can't disagree, but i personally probably won't get around to it until after the war. [01:38]
asciilifeform all you lot, i suggest, learn ada/spark. [01:38]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' << I'm with you . [01:38]
decimation mod6: yeah that's the same error [01:38]
decimation at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need [01:39]
decimation gonna take longer though [01:39]
asciilifeform decimation: nope [01:39]
mod6 at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly. [01:39]
asciilifeform try it [01:39]
asciilifeform it's a spittoon [01:39]
asciilifeform !s spittoon [01:39]
assbot 16 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon [01:39]
decimation asciilifeform: for reasons... [01:39]
decimation is there a 'configure' arg you can pass to get rid of the -ldl stupidity [01:40]
decimation yeah [01:40]
decimation no-dso [01:40]
mod6 ok if i re-add back in "-l dl" into the makefile, then I get this: [01:40]
asciilifeform worth a try [01:40]
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mod6 http://dpaste.com/319C632 [01:41]
assbot dpaste: 319C632 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ7ml ) [01:41]
asciilifeform see, i missed all of this because did not even suspect this level of shitgnomery [01:41]
decimation how did you get yours working asciilifeform? [01:41]
mod6 which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir [01:41]
decimation mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso' [01:41]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't think i noticed/touched this knob [01:42]
asciilifeform this is why it helps to have >1 of us pay attention [01:42]
mod6 here's a full shot: http://dpaste.com/06NAYCD [01:42]
assbot dpaste: 06NAYCD ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ8Xl ) [01:42]
asciilifeform i suggest fixing by using a pre-heartbleed openssl [01:43]
asciilifeform if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it [01:43]
mod6 pre-heart bleed? like 0.9.8o or whatever? [01:43]
asciilifeform pre-1.0.1 iirc [01:44]
decimation not that heartbleed really matters for our purposes [01:44]
decimation or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet [01:44]
asciilifeform it doesn't, if the https-snipper patch was merged. [01:44]
mod6 well, it was 0.9.8o that was giving us the issues with the tx in the 168`001 block [01:44]
asciilifeform rpc is still in [01:44]
asciilifeform but i personally ripped out https [01:45]
asciilifeform mod6: did anyone ever fully crack the conundrum ? [01:45]
decimation yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded [01:45]
mod6 no, not yet. i've been focused on just getting a release out. [01:45]
asciilifeform could find boojum therein, one wholly worth the effort [01:46]
mod6 yeah certainly. [01:46]
danielpbarron mod6> danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. << ahh you called it the "modified pogo script" which gave me the wrong impression.. but I understand what you meant now [01:46]
mod6 ahh, my bad. sorry I didn't clairify [01:46]
mod6 decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build? [01:47]
decimation yeah you put it on the Config arg line [01:47]
mod6 ok, sweet, i'll give that a try now. [01:47]
* asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork [01:48]
mod6 building... [01:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64750 @ 0.00035793 = 23.176 BTC [+] [01:49]
mod6 asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version. [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00037275 = 8.3496 BTC [+] [01:50]
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decimation ok I have to dynamically link -l m and now it works without -l dl [01:54]
decimation at least, it starts [01:54]
mod6 alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine: [01:55]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/1HYJCGS [01:55]
assbot dpaste: 1HYJCGS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZMnQ ) [01:55]
decimation me too [01:55]
mod6 you had to add in [01:55]
decimation except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared [01:55]
mod6 "-l m" ? [01:55]
decimation yep [01:55]
decimation it must be a redhat-ism [01:55]
mod6 ah. ok. [01:56]
mod6 well, that's good to know i guess in case of RH [01:56]
mod6 so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso') [01:57]
asciilifeform neato [01:57]
asciilifeform builds, but does it run ? [01:58]
decimation ok you have to install glib-static on redhat [01:58]
mod6 that bitcoind does run and start pulling blocks btw too [01:58]
asciilifeform aha! [01:58]
asciilifeform so this, then, is the new state of the art. [01:58]
decimation yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space' [01:58]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/0RFHH3E [01:59]
assbot dpaste: 0RFHH3E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZZHA ) [01:59]
mod6 i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list. [02:00]
mod6 this was highly productive tonight; I thank you all who helped! [02:00]
decimation no problem, good night [02:01]
mod6 still have a moutain of work ahead, but we're on a good track. [02:01]
decimation ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile [02:01]
mod6 you too. many thanks. [02:01]
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mod6 decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release. [02:03]
mod6 or at least once we have a "freeze" [02:03]
mod6 then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations [02:03]
danielpbarron and removed "- dl" from the makefile << where is this? [02:05]
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mod6 danielpbarron: it would have been like line 34 [02:09]
mod6 i think 33 was "-l w" [02:09]
mod6 im getting laaaaaged [02:09]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/winner-of-27k-bitcoins-purchased-at-usms-auction-revealed/ [02:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93794 @ 0.00035276 = 33.0868 BTC [-] {3} [02:13]
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mats http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019 [02:14]
assbot What are your opinions on DX12/Vulkan/Mantle? - Graphics Programming and Theory - GameDev.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah0IIT ) [02:14]
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asciilifeform qntra ddos ? [02:20]
asciilifeform somebody has cache ? [02:20]
asciilifeform also ddoslurkbot is back. [02:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91553 @ 0.00035063 = 32.1012 BTC [-] [02:22]
Adlai since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ? [02:23]
Adlai asciilifeform: works for me just fine [02:24]
asciilifeform loads now aha [02:24]
cazalla it's working fine here [02:25]
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mircea_popescu decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. << hehehe [03:01]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049677 << wut ?! [03:04]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 03:16:38; danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514 [03:04]
mircea_popescu mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. [03:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << i fail to be surprised. [03:09]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking. [03:09]
mircea_popescu also gotta upgrade to latest version [03:09]
mircea_popescu etc. [03:09]
mircea_popescu decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons. [03:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049846 << iirc heartbled was replacement orifice. [03:12]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 04:39:03; asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it [03:12]
mircea_popescu there's no clean openssl post ~2002. [03:12]
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mircea_popescu i don't see anyone using 1999 version. [03:12]
mircea_popescu 0.9.4 and such bs. [03:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049910 << no ? [03:15]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 05:15:44; asciilifeform: qntra ddos ? [03:15]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042552 << /methinks the civilians doth play too much vidya [03:15]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 04:19:56; decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all [03:15]
mircea_popescu trilema's been getting a shitton of traffic past week, maybe you got it on a blink. [03:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049914 << just about lol. [03:17]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 05:19:15; Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ? [03:17]
Adlai there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more [03:17]
Adlai "wasach" = army slang, from arabic 'weight' - ie, extra weight which doesn't help you, but you carry it around to look tough [03:18]
mircea_popescu those situations being providing cover [03:18]
mircea_popescu they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do. [03:18]
fluffypony http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer [03:18]
fluffypony want [03:19]
assbot USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7RXFK ) [03:19]
Adlai a bit of training and you can give MUCH better cover with *aimed* selective fire [03:19]
mircea_popescu depends if it's five of you or five hundred of you. [03:19]
mircea_popescu with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot. [03:20]
Adlai you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends [03:20]
Adlai there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle' [03:21]
* mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space. [03:21]
Adlai on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms' [03:22]
mircea_popescu it comes to us from a time of emplaced machine guns and stuff [03:22]
mircea_popescu nono, i meant "space". [03:22]
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Adlai in which sense? [03:22]
mircea_popescu lemme rephrase. [03:23]
* mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer [03:23]
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Adlai 'situations where full auto is what you want', or 'firearm which usefully implements full auto' ? [03:24]
mircea_popescu first. [03:24]
fluffypony first [03:24]
mircea_popescu well honestly the second too, but unrelatedly. [03:24]
* Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family [03:24]
mircea_popescu hahaha what. [03:24]
fluffypony I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second [03:24]
mircea_popescu "but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy." [03:25]
Adlai full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too. [03:26]
mircea_popescu nonsense. what are you going to do, spray and pray ? [03:26]
Adlai that's what it's called [03:26]
mircea_popescu the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding. [03:26]
mircea_popescu everything else is a liability. [03:27]
Adlai and artillery/air support, with a few guidance chips [03:27]
mircea_popescu hey, half the us casualties, gotta provide them somehow. [03:27]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :] [03:42]
mod6 night #b-a! [03:46]
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[]bot Bet placed: 15.4 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.95120426 BTC. Current weight: 96,565. [04:09]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [16:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [16:04]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice. [16:04]
asciilifeform funny thing is, i won't be surprised if it does show up some time tomorrow [16:05]
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asciilifeform seen this before. [16:05]
asciilifeform postman hits 'delivered' on his turdpad while it's still in the truck [16:05]
asciilifeform (why? no one knows) [16:05]
trinque non-govt mail tends to be much better [16:06]
asciilifeform trinque: vendor did not offer options for shipment [16:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why do you mean no one knows lol. they gotta make the targets. [16:06]
asciilifeform ^ probably this [16:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla "usrn -1 points 10 hours ago Doesn't make any difference." << lawl. [16:07]
mircea_popescu "mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference". [16:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049998 << accepted by reddit does not make it accepted. [16:09]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P [16:09]
mircea_popescu that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual. [16:09]
mircea_popescu and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it. [16:10]
mircea_popescu when usg says something, it becomes allegedly, and until and unless it receives our imprimatur, it STAYS allegedly. [16:11]
mircea_popescu and thus, bush allegedly won the 2nd electoral term. [16:11]
asciilifeform is 'auction' where shill guaranteed to win still called 'auction' ? [16:11]
asciilifeform or something else. [16:12]
mircea_popescu well... allegedly. [16:12]
mircea_popescu it's a tardstalk auction, basically. [16:12]
mircea_popescu who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board. [16:12]
mircea_popescu !up Aquent [16:13]
-assbot- You voiced Aquent for 30 minutes. [16:13]
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asciilifeform to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses [16:13]
Aquent did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ? [16:14]
chetty lmao [16:14]
mircea_popescu i didn't make a statement on that. [16:14]
Aquent yey or ney [16:15]
asciilifeform Aquent: around here we buy only direct from hitler [16:15]
mircea_popescu ahaha that ben_vulpes / adlai cultard thing. i'm bashing it. [16:15]
Aquent ppl are saying you did [16:15]
Aquent so you want to deny it? [16:15]
mircea_popescu we should prolly hold a call vote see how mit is regarded, i thought it unanimously despised. [16:15]
mircea_popescu Aquent i don't want to anything dood. you want to, an' so far it's not going too well. [16:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm enthusiastically in favour of either bulldozing or turning into leprosorium [16:16]
asciilifeform (mit) [16:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ironically, 50 years ago it was tip top [16:16]
asciilifeform as recently as 30! [16:16]
mircea_popescu arguably yes. [16:16]
chetty whoa, what 'ppl are saying?' [16:16]
Aquent well how did you come up with this name [16:16]
Aquent this guy - what was the name again [16:16]
mircea_popescu with what name ? [16:16]
Aquent like no evidence no connection just some name [16:17]
mircea_popescu you talking bout cazalla's article on qntra ? [16:17]
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Aquent yes [16:17]
mircea_popescu well you better ask him then neh ? [16:17]
Aquent Larry Dean Silvey [16:17]
trinque the article itself gives its evidence [16:18]
Aquent does it? [16:18]
cazalla Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article [16:19]
Aquent not anything that points to him is included [16:19]
trinque the bit about the tweeted address is there [16:19]
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mircea_popescu the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article. [16:20]
mircea_popescu we've clearly progressed. [16:20]
Aquent lol [16:20]
Aquent beauty of journalism innit [16:20]
Aquent to do that research for me to easily read it [16:20]
Aquent not do my own [16:20]
mircea_popescu has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima. [16:20]
Aquent mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc? [16:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050043 << this is technically possible and not a negligible avenue of attack. [16:22]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 10:20:24; ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc. [16:22]
mircea_popescu i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made. [16:22]
mircea_popescu Aquent i didn't make a statement about that, either. [16:22]
asciilifeform re: post office idiocy: i fully expect that before the era of usg is over, 'serenissima' cargo will routinely travel with real-time ir camera (and 'glonass') feed from inside the box. [16:22]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/SZFFlf1.jpg [16:22]
Aquent I didn't say you did [16:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'special' hard drives made presently. [16:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwJFXl ) [16:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you open it by the stove. [16:23]
asciilifeform neh i meant - belonging to sender or receiver [16:23]
mircea_popescu oh [16:23]
asciilifeform a precious and carefully-sewn item [16:23]
asciilifeform sent back, forth... [16:23]
asciilifeform between phriends [16:23]
asciilifeform if real-time satellite is costly and unreliable, a 'poor man's' version will contain two rsa keys. one will sign every frame and globe coordinate tuple -until package is opened-, the other - after [16:25]
asciilifeform with the usual caveats re: sensor cat-mouse games [16:25]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine that anyone cares this much. [16:25]
asciilifeform depends what is moving, no? [16:25]
mircea_popescu cheaper to use sluts curriers only. [16:25]
mircea_popescu currently it's about half girls anyway [16:25]
asciilifeform and who said inapplicable for living courier [16:25]
asciilifeform iirc diplomatic mail already works quite like this. [16:26]
asciilifeform with addition of manual pull ring for courier in case he is being poked [16:26]
asciilifeform (thermite) [16:26]
mircea_popescu something like that. [16:26]
asciilifeform an absolutely-perfect $maxint gadget is not necessary to utterly deter idiots from fucking with mail [16:27]
asciilifeform because their faced will be on 'youtube' etc. in real time. [16:27]
asciilifeform *faces [16:27]
asciilifeform and coordinates [16:27]
mircea_popescu mail is not opened by hand [16:27]
asciilifeform depends which set of idiots [16:28]
asciilifeform when -from- 'respectable' folks like cisco - yes, by hand, stable of monkeys (its exact location was in #b-a not long ago) [16:28]
mircea_popescu also true. [16:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050076 << haha [16:28]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 11:59:26; gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off [16:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050086 << well, fwiw it's a worthy thing to do. [16:30]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that [16:30]
asciilifeform Adlai: it is quite a feat to bring oneself to program in elisp after working with proper common lisp. don't know how you manage it. (iron will?) [16:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it. [16:32]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu [16:32]
asciilifeform 'commoditize' is a very, very odd thing for anyone to wish to do to mining. [16:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050118 << tyhe problem is that baked in bitcoin dependencies can not be replaced. [16:33]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl? [16:33]
mircea_popescu EVEN IF "it works now" [16:33]
mircea_popescu the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate. [16:33]
* Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root [16:33]
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mircea_popescu which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too. [16:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read openssl. it's a spittoon. [16:33]
mircea_popescu Adlai that faint glimmer reflects principally your tender years. [16:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and, no, they didn't. they rewrote haphazardly and went 'so it works, stfu' [16:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no practical considerations will interfere with my strategic management!!1 [16:34]
asciilifeform l0lziez [16:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file". [16:34]
mircea_popescu put all the braindamage in there. [16:34]
Adlai 1st ¶ http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed [16:34]
assbot Quotes Falsely Attributed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwPdRr ) [16:34]
mircea_popescu heh [16:35]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth. [16:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise, they're a coupla hundred bucks to the million. [16:38]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that's some kickass research on reddit submissions ? do you like do this professionally or something ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050139 << lawl. [16:41]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1" [16:41]
asciilifeform update on 'macrofab' - vendor apologized, insists that they did not authorize 'no signature', offers to do another run (schedule unspecified) gratis [16:42]
asciilifeform if thing doesn't show up by end of wk [16:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050161 << the chemist got it. [16:42]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either [16:42]
mircea_popescu animality, anonimity, what the hell's the difference. [16:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so vendor knows they never shipped. [16:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i wrote in a 'wtf' [16:43]
asciilifeform shortly before sharing the tale [16:43]
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mircea_popescu seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey. [16:44]
asciilifeform 'macrofab' opened ~1 mo. ago [16:44]
asciilifeform and is, afaik, presently the only outfit of its kind [16:44]
asciilifeform (who knows how long will last, or even if works. i was going to learn something by opening that crate...) [16:44]
mircea_popescu aite, i take it back, we see. [16:45]
asciilifeform it'd still have a 'too good to be true' flavour were it at 10x the quoted price - so i'm not expecting much [16:46]
Adlai even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems [16:46]
asciilifeform Adlai: the tentacles, where i stand, flail wildly and without purpose [16:47]
asciilifeform Adlai: i know this because of being still alive [16:47]
Adlai sure [16:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050204 << just to blow your mind : you are speaking to a man who has bought that sort of thing (apartment, 3 rooms, 75 sqm) for 350 dollars. [16:47]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. wou [16:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: betcha you had to spend more than 350 to turn into the sort of fella who might open the door behind which it costs 350. [16:47]
asciilifeform 'linux is free if...' etc [16:47]
Adlai both hands thinking they're the right one is functionally equivalent to 'all thumbs' [16:48]
mircea_popescu Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd. [16:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. [16:48]
* Adlai has a blog? [16:48]
mircea_popescu make one. [16:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i buy one. [16:48]
mircea_popescu gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable. [16:48]
asciilifeform and i think i'd like a 'boeing' too, for 250. [16:48]
mircea_popescu prices collapsed, an apt could be had for a working color tv. [16:48]
mircea_popescu because everyone wanted to just fucking leave. [16:49]
mircea_popescu it came back to sense within a decade. [16:49]
mircea_popescu this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind, [16:49]
asciilifeform as i understand it costs more than that to have your title not magicked away by the 'big boy' privatizers in the locale [16:49]
mircea_popescu not the slightest clue of a commercial spirit. [16:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you misunderstand. no title was ever magicked. [16:50]
asciilifeform aha if no foreigners, even easier [16:50]
asciilifeform that's the only way prices like this can exist [16:50]
mircea_popescu yup [16:50]
asciilifeform or soros et al would snap up the whole shebang [16:50]
mircea_popescu worthless dollars being worthless, of course. [16:50]
asciilifeform only' [16:50]
asciilifeform ' 500k 'worthless' dollars buy a moscow flat [16:51]
asciilifeform today. [16:51]
mircea_popescu Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter. [16:51]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't live in moscow if the flat were free. [16:51]
asciilifeform just example. [16:51]
* Adlai isn't hating and generally doesn't reach critical mass of serialized words to justify a 'blog' [16:52]
mircea_popescu Adlai just a thought. [16:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050208 << why the fuck would you own furniture in excess of the real estate you own ? [16:52]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?) [16:52]
mircea_popescu this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine" [16:53]
mircea_popescu why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine! [16:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not in excess. in exactly the correct volume. [16:53]
mircea_popescu to rent means, ready to use. [16:53]
mircea_popescu if i rent i expect to take the keys, take a girl there and fuck her in this order. [16:53]
asciilifeform but no, i don't have precisely same items to put in rented space as the neighbouring derps [16:53]
mircea_popescu if i wanted a place to work on i'd buy it. [16:53]
* Adlai has also been busy with the likes of https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/commit/d5b1b52 [16:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse [16:54]
assbot http://www.dorodango.com/create.html · d5b1b52 · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwt35I ) [16:54]
mircea_popescu obviously warehouses are rented empty whether you live in them or not. [16:54]
mircea_popescu this is residential not commercial space we're discussing here. [16:54]
asciilifeform Adlai: aaargh, is that a shell callout!? wtf [16:54]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of my actual residence here [16:54]
asciilifeform i -like- my desk, chair, etc. don't want 'generic' ones when i move [16:55]
chetty germany unfurnished apts didnt even have a kitchen sink [16:55]
mircea_popescu you're nuts, the lot of you. [16:55]
Adlai asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests [16:55]
Adlai (guy used a defconstant symbol as a local variable) [16:55]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits! [16:55]
mircea_popescu what sort of consumerist culture is this anymore! [16:55]
asciilifeform Adlai: and srsly, sha256 as a callout?! it's a pg or 2 [16:55]
* Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes [16:56]
trinque mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?! [16:56]
Adlai (with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting) [16:56]
Adlai or upstreaming [16:56]
Adlai or whatever the kids call it [16:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if were moving to, wherever, jp, yes - things more economical to buy 2nd time than ship - would [16:56]
mircea_popescu trinque i never used a chair for more than i dunno, a year ? two ? [16:56]
asciilifeform but that isn't 100% of furniture [16:56]
chetty mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last [16:56]
trinque haha [16:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you also go around with your bed ? [16:56]
mircea_popescu "this is my bed, my grandmother died in it" [16:57]
asciilifeform phun phakt: i once had a costly, 'premium' type office chair spontaneously convert into a stake [16:57]
Adlai ;;ud chair ass [16:57]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chair+Ass | Chair Ass. The natural effect of the slow growth and spread of a clerical worker's physical frame, across the span of years of combining vending machine snack ... [16:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda why you change them yearly. [16:57]
Adlai clerical workers, the lot o ya [16:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or use one made 20+ yrs ago [16:57]
trinque Adlai: standing desk is where it's at [16:57]
trinque better for pacing angrily [16:57]
danielpbarron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCmeHCnPwxY [16:57]
asciilifeform my brother works in a chair that almost certainly was once at 'bell labs' [16:57]
assbot Homer - Ass Groove - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwZOvL ) [16:57]
mircea_popescu look, if you're going to fill a place with antiques, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RENTING IT [16:57]
asciilifeform it is indestructible. [16:57]
mircea_popescu antiques suffer from transport, and wtf do you even want to put nice furniture in a place you don't like., [16:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, plainly antiques should only travel in atomic dirigible [16:58]
asciilifeform for the rest of us, who don't have access to $maxint - they sit in rented hovels, yes [16:58]
chetty oo thats what I want a desk that goes up and down so you can sit or stand :D [16:58]
asciilifeform chetty: we have these where i work [16:58]
asciilifeform chetty: overrated imho [16:58]
Adlai !s ikea shelf [16:58]
mircea_popescu basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on. [16:58]
assbot 0 results for 'ikea shelf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ikea+shelf [16:58]
mircea_popescu yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both. [16:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is approximately correct [16:59]
mircea_popescu well so then, here's an idle thought : [16:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is puzzled because he can afford sanity [16:59]
mircea_popescu the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo. [16:59]
asciilifeform but over here we live in demented pauper-land where sanity is a premium product available to select few. [16:59]
mircea_popescu hardest of all is to move from c). [17:00]
asciilifeform decades << not quite decade [17:00]
mircea_popescu may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil. [17:00]
asciilifeform but otherwise a nearly obvious description of what a gravity well even is [17:00]
mircea_popescu i guess so huh. [17:00]
asciilifeform i mean no shit, it sucks and no one would climb in on his own volition [17:01]
asciilifeform if knew what's in the tank [17:01]
mircea_popescu myeah. i see it. well... i feel better for having discussed it! [17:01]
asciilifeform but i probably should elaborate a little [17:01]
asciilifeform would happily set fire to all of it if had the other half of the conundrum licked [17:01]
mircea_popescu that's a rare man, and a virtually inexistent woman. [17:02]
chetty I beg your pardon [17:02]
asciilifeform l0l [17:02]
trinque easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car [17:02]
asciilifeform trinque: i used to be 'theoretical' [17:02]
mircea_popescu chetty it's rare. you know it's rare. [17:02]
asciilifeform which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant [17:02]
trinque better to advance the career, get another tv or whatever [17:02]
asciilifeform a good friend of mine is 'theoretical' [17:02]
trinque asciilifeform: ah yeah, I am mostly bits [17:02]
asciilifeform a mathematician [17:03]
asciilifeform i envy him often [17:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :) [17:03]
trinque heh! [17:03]
chetty rare it may be, but it does exist [17:03]
mircea_popescu it does. [17:03]
mircea_popescu hey, i covered my ass with that virtually in there. [17:03]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: yeah, when he accused me of having a financial interest I got bored [17:03]
asciilifeform i trained the pet, inadvertantly, by threatening, for some years, to move us into a ship [17:03]
fluffypony stupid moron [17:04]
asciilifeform (which at one point wanted to do) [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97406 @ 0.00034083 = 33.1989 BTC [+] {3} [17:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the what's his name disease [17:04]
mircea_popescu orlov [17:04]
asciilifeform aha [17:04]
mircea_popescu i've been on ships. they suck. [17:04]
mircea_popescu fucking bilge, nuff said. [17:04]
asciilifeform know what else sucks? [17:04]
asciilifeform living on land in gringolandia [17:04]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things [17:04]
asciilifeform on $smallint [17:04]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well the results were so out of place for the venue. like... wow. [17:04]
asciilifeform on the ship you get the thing americans pay $maxint for - maximize distance from nearest human on command - for $0. [17:05]
mircea_popescu well, for $gas [17:05]
fluffypony I was very annoyed :-P [17:05]
asciilifeform sail. [17:05]
mircea_popescu op get the motherfucking fuck out. [17:05]
asciilifeform (orlov has a small engine, he claims only for parking) [17:05]
mircea_popescu you were going to live on a sailboat ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu what are you, a cartoon character ? [17:05]
asciilifeform had idea before reading mr o, but it was him who demonstrated that it can be done on something less than orbital budget [17:06]
asciilifeform anyway, i'm not satisfied presently with his demonstration. he cheated. [17:06]
mircea_popescu you ever like... i dunno, ever had a friend in porn invite you to spend a while with a coupla girls on a yacht ? or generally, spent any time on a sail vessel ? [17:06]
* asciilifeform is not an expert or veteran of the art. but also is not esp. susceptible to motion sickness [17:07]
mircea_popescu but have you ever spent, a whole day, on a sail anything, at sea. [17:07]
asciilifeform nope. [17:07]
mircea_popescu yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that. [17:07]
trinque the sail really gets the thing swaying [17:07]
mircea_popescu you can not begin to imagine how fucking inconvenient it is. at all. [17:07]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for this and other reasons decided that 'too orbital' for budget constraint. [17:08]
mircea_popescu i mean sure, as an outing, soemthing to do for a day or w/e, great. splendid sport. [17:08]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, jail is BY FAR more comfortable. [17:08]
mircea_popescu you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar. [17:09]
* asciilifeform searches memory for historical figures who are known to have done any serious thinking while under sail [17:09]
mircea_popescu nelson, for one. [17:09]
mircea_popescu but he sailed an english manowar. [17:09]
asciilifeform aha [17:10]
mircea_popescu also franklin. but he sailed english ocean liners. [17:10]
mircea_popescu also twain, same. [17:10]
mircea_popescu none of these are the thing here discussed. [17:10]
asciilifeform at any rate, mr o spends most of his time at anchor [17:10]
mircea_popescu because "he chooses to" right ? [17:10]
asciilifeform the machine, as i understand, is for reasonably quick, inexpensive, and unobtrusive jurisdiction-switching [17:11]
mircea_popescu would be a shitload cheaper to just rent serially. FURNISHED appartments. [17:11]
asciilifeform as well as climate-switching [17:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: air travel -> arse inspection. sail - not yet (doesn't scale well) [17:11]
mircea_popescu yeah, sure, because he couldn't be served just as well by a common bus. [17:11]
asciilifeform bus to uninhabited islands ? [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00034423 = 24.1305 BTC [+] {2} [17:12]
asciilifeform boat is a machine for getting away from fucking humans [17:12]
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asciilifeform bus, passenger plane, auto - no. [17:12]
mircea_popescu mkay. [17:12]
mircea_popescu i propose this matter still needs a lot more thinking. [17:13]
asciilifeform it solves an actual problem, that some folks perceive themselves as having [17:13]
asciilifeform which is the one in 'stand on zanzibar' and of the 'mouse city' overpopulation experiment [17:13]
chetty I could go for a deserted island :) [17:13]
asciilifeform chetty: by far the most economical way to get there is on water [17:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050212 << i'm on the record saying that italians are really the scourge of europe, gypsyes muchly preferable. [17:14]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:11; *: Adlai wonders how http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0 [17:14]
Adlai https://i.imgur.com/xV3sl.gif [17:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwvPHU ) [17:15]
mircea_popescu yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people. [17:16]
mircea_popescu make the italian a cook and forget it. [17:16]
mod6 jurov: not even a test email made it through. [17:17]
mircea_popescu hahaha the youtube ends on the same note. "let them do the food" [17:19]
danielpbarron this video about itally might as well be about U.S., or Connecticut at least [17:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050215 << this is a complicated question. generally, the damage was done early on by a (perhaps understandably) revancharde russia, and late on, by a completely local brewed idiot. [17:20]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:15; asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro? [17:20]
mircea_popescu otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless. [17:20]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way. [17:21]
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asciilifeform walls of constantinopol [17:21]
mircea_popescu "give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century. [17:22]
mircea_popescu happens every time. [17:22]
mod6 give us ur derps [17:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050233 << funny thing being, that if they actually want a copy they can just ask neh ? [17:25]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 18:52:56; asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null [17:25]
asciilifeform phr33 s4mpl3 [17:25]
asciilifeform will hand-deliver to hitler if he asks nicely [17:25]
asciilifeform nobody wants a copy, but only to be annoying [17:26]
mircea_popescu which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other. [17:27]
mircea_popescu god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her. [17:27]
mircea_popescu basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut. [17:27]
asciilifeform more like cat that 'plays with its food' [17:28]
asciilifeform 'we're in no hurry, you and i', the beast says to the mouse [17:28]
mircea_popescu mno. [17:28]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985304 << is the "BTC" side of this to be paid post-fork, because otherwise the deal is really 750 BTC + 750 gavincoin in exchange for 1k gavincoin [17:30]
assbot Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [17:30]
asciilifeform i mean, i'd like to think not, but cannot fairly claim to be certain of not being mouse [17:30]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron ahem. through what sort of magic the parts summed exceed the sum ? [17:31]
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danielpbarron 750 BTC today will be on both chains post-fork [17:32]
mircea_popescu right. [17:33]
danielpbarron so someone pays you 750 BTC today, which turns into 750 BTC and 750 GSC (gavinscamcoin) later, and you just need to buy another 250 GSC to settle the deal [17:34]
mircea_popescu or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so. [17:37]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: that assumes this 750 BTC is prefork. [17:37]
danielpbarron right, it's still a "good deal" to those who are so sure the fork will be a hit; i'm just trying to figure out how "good a deal" it is [17:38]
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danielpbarron so it's kinda like they are trading 750 BTC for 250 GSC, no? [17:43]
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danielpbarron where BTC is this "stilly worthless thing" to them [17:44]
mike_c danielpbarron: you need to be 75% confident to break even [17:46]
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mike_c if you are > than that confident in gavincoin, it's a good deal [17:46]
mike_c i can do the math for you if it's helpful [17:46]
danielpbarron I think I got it now. I was hung up on my own bias against GSC [17:47]
danielpbarron in that, I would probably be willing to trade 750 GSC for 250 BTC [17:48]
mike_c then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange! [17:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00033945 = 3.1545 BTC [-] [17:50]
danielpbarron are you making me an offer? [17:51]
mike_c no, i don't sell btc for fiat or for gavincoin. [17:51]
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davout this video about italians is amazing [17:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:54]
davout the retarded part of the french also clap at landings [17:54]
davout mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too [17:55]
asciilifeform davout: i suspect that they're absolutely standard wherever inhabited by ordinary folks, rather than business travellers or mircea_popescu with $maxint [17:56]
Adlai davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable. [17:58]
davout haha [17:58]
asciilifeform davout: unfurnished, that is [17:58]
asciilifeform rather than furnished [17:58]
davout asciilifeform: yea you got me confused [17:58]
davout Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded [17:59]
mike_c americans only clap when landing in las vegas. [17:59]
asciilifeform davout: the laptop thing is becoming standard in most of the usg world [18:00]
Adlai after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on [18:00]
asciilifeform davout: if it has any purpose whatsoever, it is a training run for shoulder-surfing the pw in case they decide to confiscate the machine [18:00]
davout asciilifeform: is it to search it? or to check that it isn't just filled /w explosives? [18:00]
asciilifeform davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050246 [18:01]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half [18:01]
Adlai asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text [18:01]
davout good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to [18:01]
Adlai (he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane) [18:01]
asciilifeform davout: insta-confiscation, presumed plastique. [18:02]
asciilifeform in usg airport [18:02]
* Adlai is amazed that his laptop passes chemical swabs [18:02]
asciilifeform (sorta like admitting that you have someone else's suitcase) [18:02]
davout asciilifeform: i don't really get why logging in to it isn't deemed enough proof it isn't a bomb [18:02]
Adlai for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety. [18:02]
asciilifeform davout: because it's a lie [18:02]
Adlai it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device [18:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00033945 = 17.5835 BTC [-] [18:03]
davout braindamaged on so many levels [18:03]
Adlai you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? [18:03]
davout danielpbarron: btw when i say an exchange, i mean an exchange [18:03]
Adlai not really, it's behavioral profiling and it works when you're less braindamaged than your expected enemy [18:03]
trinque they're just derping through a script they've been taught [18:03]
trinque they care that they hit the major bullet points, don't care how effectively [18:03]
asciilifeform Adlai: everyone has. because actual anal inspection for every 'client' takes far too long. instead - lottery. [18:03]
asciilifeform when your number comes up - then, then the fun. [18:04]
trinque generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly [18:04]
danielpbarron davout, well I posted the invite on the forum; they know where to come [18:04]
trinque though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often [18:04]
Adlai army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection) [18:04]
Adlai like TA, this only works if everybody knows you're doing it [18:05]
trinque Adlai: the point in my mind is that these aren't ideologically motivated goons [18:05]
davout danielpbarron: you mean an invite to -otc? [18:05]
Adlai no, the guy at the border check was just doing his job [18:05]
trinque they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster [18:05]
Adlai he was really embarassed at how impatient i got [18:05]
* Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line [18:06]
trinque I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker [18:07]
danielpbarron davout, to here.. -assets [18:07]
davout ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite [18:07]
davout either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code [18:09]
danielpbarron it can't really work now because anyone dumb enough to want to make the deal doesn't actually have enough money for it to be worthwhile [18:10]
danielpbarron that aside, it should technically be possible to strike a deal [18:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00033945 = 13.2046 BTC [-] [18:12]
davout there are plenty of people dumb enough to take the deal that also happen to have >1k [18:12]
davout it's not possible, because defining gavincoin as "everything that is not bitcoin" just doesn't work [18:13]
danielpbarron i'd define it the way they do: a fork of bitcoin that gets 80% consensus from miners (or 75% or 95%, whatever magic number they want) [18:14]
davout what if it's like a emergency bugfix harfork? or any kind of non-braindamaged hardfork we actually agree with? [18:16]
davout because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens [18:17]
asciilifeform 80% << obligatory >> 'We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, "band of marauders" [or "war-band"] for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army".' [18:17]
asciilifeform ( http://www.regia.org/research/warfare/fyrd1.htm ) [18:18]
assbot Regia Anglorum - The Fyrd (Army) in Anglo-Saxon England - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9XjQK ) [18:18]
danielpbarron i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p [18:18]
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asciilifeform lol, package -did- show. [18:20]
asciilifeform even a free sample board in there. [18:20]
mike_c pics [18:24]
mike_c do they look visually reasonable? no balls of solder hanging off the sides? [18:25]
asciilifeform visually yes [18:25]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf2.jpg [18:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [18:27]
asciilifeform one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng [18:27]
davout danielpbarron: :) [18:28]
* assbot gives voice to nubbins` [18:28]
nubbins` alf, cool [18:29]
asciilifeform did not yet test [18:29]
asciilifeform dimensions are perfect within visual limits, though boards have panelization burrs [18:29]
asciilifeform (unlike my cn supplier which ships only perfectly-smooth edges) [18:29]
asciilifeform ic orientations are correct [18:30]
nubbins` where'd this batch come from? [18:30]
asciilifeform 'macrofab' [18:30]
nubbins` a [18:30]
nubbins` much price diff? [18:30]
asciilifeform recently-opened outfit in usa [18:30]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge [18:31]
nubbins` that's the ultimate bespoke, hey? [18:31]
asciilifeform for their weight in gold. [18:31]
nubbins` HEH. [18:31]
asciilifeform will say later if these even work. [18:31]
nubbins` i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8) [18:32]
* nubbins` generally only buys two things at gold/oz cost -- gold and printer ink [18:34]
nubbins` and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days [18:34]
nubbins` ...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P [18:37]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/ [18:46]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg [18:46]
asciilifeform ^ left hand: them. right hand: me. [18:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, anyone else who cares ^ [18:49]
asciilifeform nubbins`: tooling charge is rolled into everything, sure [18:51]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050687 < a fork by any other name... what's so hard about referencing blocksize in the contract? [18:51]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p [18:51]
asciilifeform nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout. [18:52]
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nubbins` re pics, nb! [18:52]
nubbins` i came across a picker/placer robot arm project recently that i meant to paste here [18:53]
nubbins` will literally never find it again [18:54]
Adlai ;;google zenrobotics [18:54]
gribble ZenRobotics: Product: ; Company | ZenRobotics: ; ZenRobotics - YouTube: [18:54]
danielpbarron what's so hard about << I guess I care more about it being accepted by MPEx than I care about the blocksize [18:59]
danielpbarron that is, if MP says the blocksize needs to go up, then up it shall go! [18:59]
davout Adlai: because imo a one-off 2mb block size increase coin would be valued very differently from an exponential-growth block size coin [19:01]
danielpbarron not that i think this will ever be demanded, but there could other changes needed to avert catastrophe that depend on a fork [19:01]
danielpbarron especially when considering how messy the code apparently is [19:02]
davout Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else [19:02]
danielpbarron sounds like the thing could accidentally fork at any moment [19:02]
davout lol [19:03]
danielpbarron ascii is right though, for the purpose of this gavincoin thing, specifying block size should be sufficient [19:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033986 = 19.1341 BTC [+] {2} [19:04]
danielpbarron ah i see what davout is sayinng [19:04]
danielpbarron your exchange could have many different fork-coin options to trade [19:04]
danielpbarron "if there is a block bigger than X, Y, or Z [19:05]
* danielpbarron is still skeptical that there is any demand for USGavincoin [19:06]
danielpbarron when it's not that the deal isn't good enough, or that it's too hard to define, it becomes "can't trust you -- need to first invent smart contracts" [19:07]
danielpbarron "By developing software that does that and by assuring that we have enough block space to include all the rules. Why everything that you say has to be limited somehow? Why can't we have freedom to do whatever we want?" [19:08]
davout this one is magical [19:09]
* Adlai is reminded of #b-w the other day starting around https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-03-10/?msg=33809596&page=6 [19:10]
assbot IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1F58hY8 ) [19:10]
Adlai if you really want to boost bitcoin's hashrate, why not organize a tx processing strike? [19:11]
Adlai (answer: because miners dgaf) [19:11]
mircea_popescu ugh. [19:12]
mircea_popescu so fucking stupid srlsy. [19:12]
davout mircea_popescu: Y U NO BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY??? [19:12]
mircea_popescu Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi [19:13]
mircea_popescu on making to individuals. [19:13]
mircea_popescu First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences. [19:13]
mircea_popescu Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans [19:13]
mircea_popescu it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing. [19:13]
mircea_popescu see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures. [19:14]
mircea_popescu so "why don't you organize a boycott" [19:14]
mircea_popescu "well... because i'm not a dickless dipsit, like you." [19:14]
mircea_popescu dipshit* [19:14]
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cazalla Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know [19:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149732 @ 0.00034058 = 50.9957 BTC [+] {4} [19:20]
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Adlai but if they don't want to open the bag? game's over [19:21]
mircea_popescu Adlai i dunno, i told a schmucky kid once to mind his own business. nothing happened./ [19:22]
Adlai how inconvenient [19:23]
mircea_popescu um ? [19:23]
davout cazalla: it's all theatre [19:23]
Adlai nm ! [19:23]
cazalla Adlai, no-one ever objected and i imagine that to anyone who wanted to come steal socks and undies, i was a god send [19:23]
Adlai where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living [19:24]
Adlai oz? [19:24]
mircea_popescu some supermarket. [19:24]
mircea_popescu well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch. [19:24]
cazalla Adlai, it was at store similar to target or kmart, but just clothing [19:24]
mircea_popescu wtf ever heard of such nonsense. [19:24]
Adlai there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything [19:25]
Adlai especially when the intoxicated goon thinks it means the world [19:25]
mircea_popescu autoritah! [19:26]
Adlai dishiprin. [19:26]
mircea_popescu really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up. [19:26]
cazalla Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol [19:26]
mircea_popescu plenty of people do just fine in positions of authority. [19:26]
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Adlai cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the [19:27]
Adlai * theater is accepted as 'security' [19:28]
cazalla i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money [19:28]
Adlai sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.' [19:28]
trinque heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit [19:31]
trinque "I did not steal toilet paper, you idiot." -> walked around her and out [19:31]
trinque she seemed shocked that this could be possible [19:31]
nubbins` she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O [19:31]
Adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1vKDM7wfiA [19:32]
assbot Respect my authoritah! (Compilation) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5dHT9 ) [19:32]
trinque nubbins`: people are so goddamn polite around here, practically canadian [19:32]
nubbins` canadians are rude [19:32]
Adlai oh canada [19:32]
cazalla trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day) [19:32]
trinque cazalla: heh! I had a gf that would jack my tp from her work when I was 19; that's called having connections [19:32]
nubbins` it sure is [19:32]
Adlai ;;ud g i butt wipe [19:33]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.I.%20butt%20wipe | G.I. butt wipe. During World wars I and II,American foot soldiers were only issued about 10 individual squares of toilet paper to keep backpack weight and ... [19:33]
cazalla the cost of wiping your ass adds up [19:33]
mircea_popescu get a dog, will lick you clean for free. [19:33]
trinque lol [19:34]
Adlai that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's [19:34]
trinque I've seen a dog devour cow turd after cow turd; a mere human ass is nothing [19:34]
mircea_popescu lol [19:35]
cazalla ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house [19:35]
mircea_popescu cazalla i knew a chick that actually loved her dog. [19:35]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i loved my dog too but she was a dog [19:35]
mircea_popescu aussies. [19:35]
Adlai !b 3 [19:36]
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cazalla said dog http://i.imgur.com/nqNNNvP.png made it to 16 years too, quite good for a staffy [19:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5eXFP ) [19:37]
mircea_popescu eee [19:37]
* Adlai always imagined that an uncomfortable posture [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00034518 = 23.4377 BTC [+] {3} [19:37]
mircea_popescu you know that dog is practically saying "aussies..." [19:37]
Adlai twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist! [19:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.01099999 = 1.43 BTC [-] {2} [19:39]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :( [19:40]
mircea_popescu aw sorry! [19:40]
mircea_popescu just teasing you a little. [19:41]
jurov mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed [19:41]
mircea_popescu wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken [19:41]
mircea_popescu i been waitin' for this... [19:42]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050798 <<< such life haxxor [19:42]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 22:28:01; cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day) [19:42]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050804 <<< in romania, dog cleans you [19:42]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 22:29:29; mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free. [19:42]
trinque davout: next tier up is only shitting at work [19:42]
trinque at least on weekdays [19:43]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in france... http://41.media.tumblr.com/655c83b5213fb218ae4a102611225095/tumblr_n30s9xDvX81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg [19:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5gpIl ) [19:43]
cazalla trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things? [19:43]
trinque I self employ now, but the joke always was among friends to shit on the company dime [19:43]
davout mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg [19:44]
trinque so I guess I'm always shitting on the company dime these days [19:44]
mircea_popescu i fucking managed to find salt pickles. [19:44]
mircea_popescu such relish [19:44]
Adlai boss makes a dollar while i make a dime // that's why i shit on company time [19:45]
trinque !b 1 [19:45]
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trinque that's the one [19:45]
Adlai bathroom poetry [19:46]
Adlai vandals carrying spraypaint, sure. but it always seemed a different breed of vandal to wander around with a sharpie [19:46]
cazalla easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course) [19:46]
davout Adlai: so it should really be "boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, and a turd" [19:48]
mircea_popescu the turdime! [19:49]
Adlai better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock [19:50]
mircea_popescu how do you think the extant ones are made ? [19:52]
cazalla quote from a coindesk article.. who is missing from the list of 5 twitter accounts? http://dpaste.com/0NSJG4T.txt [19:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iROV ) [19:52]
davout http://imgur.com/J5U3l1j <<< god knows what these little girls will sell for bitcoin once they turn 16 [19:52]
assbot Little girls wearing google glasses selling cookies for bitcoin. This is Silicon Valley. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iV1a ) [19:53]
* Adlai thinks of this every day, 3-4 times, while tesla wags his tail like he's cured parkworm [19:53]
mircea_popescu cazalla lmao nitwits. [19:54]
mircea_popescu cazalla and do they link to qntra or ? [19:55]
cazalla what do you think? [19:55]
mircea_popescu i think it sounds like a first best ever news site [19:55]
cazalla it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra [19:57]
Adlai they're just recycling http://blog.cryptocrumb.com/2015/03/fbi-silk-road-auction-of-march-2015.html although ferrin doesn't mention Steve Youngblood [19:58]
assbot Crypto Crumbs: FBI Silk Road Auction of March 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5k8pd ) [19:58]
Adlai but everybody knows steve youngblood right guise? [19:58]
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jurov ;;ticker [20:19]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 295.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 295.7, 24 hour volume: 27046.72490813, 24 hour low: 291.04, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None [20:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00033633 = 21.5251 BTC [-] [20:22]
jurov ;;ticker --currency EUR --market all [20:23]
gribble Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 278.22547, vol: 8229.45591540 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 279.3, vol: 122.00342 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 276.313023, vol: 138319.96870000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 278.0, vol: 84.6419943 | Volume-weighted last average: 276.423721036 [20:23]
jurov ;;calc 290/278 [20:24]
gribble 1.04316546763 [20:24]
chetty insomnia treatment: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf [20:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb8Dh0 ) [20:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00033633 = 3.3519 BTC [-] [20:40]
davout chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy [20:42]
jurov i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o [20:43]
jurov *footnote [20:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198450 @ 0.0003323 = 65.9449 BTC [-] {6} [20:43]
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jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050355 see classic essay ont he subject: https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html [20:58]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate. [20:58]
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jurov in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys [21:00]
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danielpbarron only to barely glance what was inside once open? << i confidently walked through security at the new york marathon (post boston bombing) without having my backpack checked; had a stainless steel 64 oz bottle inside [21:06]
* jurov at first read stainless steel 64 oz blade inside [21:07]
danielpbarron everyone else queued up with their bag in hand, arms outstretched [21:07]
danielpbarron i walked right up to the guy with the wand, he waved it around and let me through [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00033617 = 4.7064 BTC [+] [21:09]
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jurov also, while code may be encased in acrylate, it's easy victim for future C compilers hyperoptimizations [21:16]
mircea_popescu in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys << quite. [21:21]
mircea_popescu !up cuwirebeard [21:21]
-assbot- You voiced cuwirebeard for 30 minutes. [21:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;google "Satoshi Dice couldn't merge tx's anyway because bitcoind is written by monkeys" [21:23]
gribble Inputs.io hacked – 4100 BTC stolen | Hacker News: ; How would you make an extra ,000 in a month? :: Kopywriting Kourse: ; Is Louisiana's Oil-Blocking Sand Berm Project Doomed? - 80beats ...: [21:23]
mircea_popescu gtfo google. there's exactly one source on the whole internet. [21:23]
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ben_vulpes decimation, asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: what does it mean for openssl to load files in from disk as discussed last night? is it compiling .txts into machine code? loading precompiled stuff? [21:32]
ben_vulpes cazalla: i don't know a transisto, no. [21:32]
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decimation ben_vulpes: usually libdl is used to load a binary library *after* the program has launched [21:32]
decimation a common scenario is when you want to load 'binary plugins' [21:33]
decimation which themselves are compiled .so files [21:33]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. [21:33]
ben_vulpes heh [21:34]
mircea_popescu "oh but it works" [21:34]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this [21:35]
mircea_popescu "After messing around with this code for about a month I decided to write this up for the tubes in the hope that I can save some souls. I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall. It is, bar none, the worst library I have ever worked with. I can not believe that the internet is running on such a ridiculous complex and gratuitously stupid piece of code. Since circa 199 [21:35]
mircea_popescu 8 the whole world has been trusting their secure communications to this impenetrable morass that calls itself the "OpenSSL" project. I bet that the doctors that work on that shitshow can not prescribe anything useful either!" [21:35]
mircea_popescu maybe this guy should be in here. [21:35]
decimation http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg05003.html < "Support for hardware acceleration is on its way that will use DSOs, this is so that the library and applications can have acceleration support but still run on platforms that don't have the acceleration drivers. Eg. you could even build applications that *can* support hardware acceleration using platforms without the hardware/drivers." [21:35]
assbot Re: Why is dso a part of openssl? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAJits ) [21:35]
decimation so what he's saying is that they put the libdl stuff in there so that you could load a binary driver for custom hardware [21:35]
mircea_popescu lol, conformal guy. kay. [21:36]
decimation without recompiling the openssl library [21:36]
trinque that module loading thing is like they almost knew the thing should be broken into small pieces, but not quite [21:36]
decimation what it comes down to is that distribution 'vendors' wanna ship you binaries [21:37]
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cazalla ben_vulpes, ah you mentioned him in the logs so i thought otherwise [21:37]
trinque decimation: here attach this mystery device to your bloodstream [21:37]
trinque you'll be fine [21:37]
decimation hehe [21:37]
ben_vulpes cazalla: i hm what when? [21:38]
ben_vulpes !s transisto from ben_vulpes [21:38]
assbot 0 results for 'transisto from ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transisto+from+ben_vulpes [21:38]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698249 [21:38]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2014 01:23:02; benkay: !up Transisto [21:38]
mircea_popescu #ifndef OPENSSL_NO_STDIO [21:41]
mircea_popescu * Load CA certs from a file into a ::STACK. Note that it is somewhat misnamed; [21:41]
mircea_popescu * it doesn't really have anything to do with clients (except that a common use [21:41]
mircea_popescu * for a stack of CAs is to send it to the client). Actually, it doesn't have [21:41]
mircea_popescu * much to do with CAs, either, since it will load any old cert. [21:41]
mircea_popescu * param file the file containing one or more certs. [21:41]
mircea_popescu *
eturn a ::STACK containing the certs. 		[21:41]
mircea_popescu */ [21:41]
mircea_popescu STACK_OF(X509_NAME) *SSL_load_client_CA_file(const char *file) [21:41]
mircea_popescu ahaha epic. no fucking wonder bitcoin-proto works on open-ssl [21:41]
decimation re: full auto < yeah us mil agrees, the ar-15 (m16) isn't made with full auto anymore, only 3-round burst. even this is almost never used. There is a place for full auto, and it is on a machine gun that is heavy enough to fire at full auto without completely losing accuracy [21:42]
decimation mircea_popescu: openssl has weird re-implementations of all kinds of crazy shit [21:42]
mircea_popescu decimation that, exactly. emplaced, basically. [21:42]
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decimation yeah, crew served or mounted on a vehicle [21:42]
cazalla ben_vulpes, nothing untoward, his name just popped up in a trailer for a video and i searched logs here but few hits [21:45]
ben_vulpes ahmkay. [21:47]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/29d64bd0a3aa3757ca989ff98bf618ca/tumblr_mowkmf8aaE1r0qabqo1_1280.jpg [21:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1x0iyUI ) [21:58]
decimation re: asciilifeform on a boat < wash dc is famous for having a 'marina' on the potomac where one can live for the price of a boat and a few $k per year [21:58]
decimation re: italians < especially southern italians. northern ones tend to be a bit more germanic [21:59]
decimation asciilifeform: wow they even placed your shield? neat [22:01]
mircea_popescu yeah, the southerners are too disorganised to even be corrupt properly [22:01]
mircea_popescu need a berlusconi or something to show them how it'd sone [22:01]
decimation of course, note that nearly all 'italian americans' come from southern italy [22:01]
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BingoBoingo Midwest "Italian Americans" are the worst [22:05]
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Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1050906 < having the evaluator|compiler available at compil|evaluation time vs asking it to (eval (read (http-request "wack"))) [22:26]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 00:30:52; ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this [22:26]
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asciilifeform decimation: wow they even placed your shield? neat << it's a part, like the others, with footprint & centroid coordinates, etc. i'd be rather pissed if it were missing [22:51]
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mircea_popescu what, "we did most of the job" not good enough for ya ?! [22:54]
mircea_popescu in this day and age things aren't as they used to be, yo! [22:54]
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asciilifeform "we did most of the job" << these folks even offer a 'test' service but i can't really make use of it for these parts [23:11]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what airport is best? or does it matter? [23:11]
asciilifeform ( for folks who missed wtf thread was about - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg ) [23:12]
mircea_popescu generally everyone flies through ezeiza, but it doesn't matter. [23:12]
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decimation asciilifeform: how did you get prices for your bom? [23:13]
decimation their 'house parts' list is small [23:13]
asciilifeform decimation: most of the parts aren't house [23:13]
asciilifeform they charge extra for the kitting [23:13]
decimation do they take ie digikey? [23:13]
asciilifeform takes most anything [23:13]
asciilifeform but adds days (they wait for order to come) [23:13]
decimation ah. so they order on your behalf? [23:14]
asciilifeform aha [23:14]
mod6 <+jurov> mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed << ahh, awesome. not a problem. Thanks! [23:14]
asciilifeform they outsource the boards too - took most of the time, it appears [23:14]
asciilifeform guessing it's somewhere slow - therefore american [23:14]
decimation cool. well, I'm glad it worked out for you. I suspect that this is probably being subsidized by bezzlars [23:14]
asciilifeform actually i've yet to plug them in... [23:14]
asciilifeform so won't say for certain that 'worked out' yet. [23:14]
decimation hehe true [23:14]
decimation actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru [23:15]
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decimation with the strong dollar [23:15]
asciilifeform it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically [23:15]
decimation I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor? [23:17]
asciilifeform claims the former [23:17]
decimation I'm dubious [23:17]
decimation someone has to load your custom parts [23:17]
asciilifeform decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part [23:20]
asciilifeform 3 pads [23:20]
asciilifeform everything else is pick'n'place-able [23:20]
PeterL asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds? [23:20]
decimation right, but how could it possibly be economical to load two parts into a pick n' place [23:20]
decimation might as well use your 'waldo' [23:20]
asciilifeform PeterL: dimensional tolerances [23:24]
asciilifeform PeterL: even worse problem [23:24]
mircea_popescu btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically. [23:24]
mircea_popescu the damned thing had cards. in 1801 [23:24]
decimation asciilifeform: somewhat before babbage [23:25]
asciilifeform unit 1 is a dud [23:25]
decimation shucks [23:25]
mod6 jurov: still doesn't seem to be working. [23:26]
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asciilifeform unit 2 is a dud. [23:27]
asciilifeform motherfuckers. [23:27]
mircea_popescu aww. [23:27]
decimation sucks. is it a board issue? [23:27]
mod6 asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered? [23:27]
asciilifeform i haven't the faintest clue [23:28]
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asciilifeform it's an analogue circuit, will presumably find out [23:28]
thestringpuller http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/03/12/bitbeat-bitcoin-coder-garzik-signs-deal-to-deploy-bitsats-in-space/ [23:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00032688 = 9.7901 BTC [+] [23:30]
mircea_popescu this should be interesting. [23:30]
mircea_popescu $1 million for one BitSat, [23:31]
mircea_popescu this does not sound rightsomehow [23:31]
decimation everyone and his mom in sillycon valley wants to loft a satellite constellation [23:32]
decimation what are they gonna use for the uplink/downlink frequencies? access equipment? [23:32]
mircea_popescu simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space. [23:33]
mircea_popescu which means, shielded. [23:33]
mircea_popescu you're already talking half a ton of gear here. i didn't hear of aerospace material going for $200 / kg yet. [23:33]
mircea_popescu less than good tuna ? srsly ? [23:33]
decimation the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats [23:33]
Adlai nah the blockchain will be in storj [23:34]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:34]
decimation also, it's not quite as big an issue since they are below the van allen belts [23:34]
mircea_popescu so wild pr piece, rly. [23:34]
decimation but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long [23:34]
mircea_popescu well which is ? ever and ever or $1mn / year ? [23:34]
asciilifeform moreover, [23:34]
decimation yeah $1 mn sounds too cheap [23:34]
asciilifeform not a single one of the rng submodules works. [23:35]
mircea_popescu i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however... [23:35]
mircea_popescu i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ? [23:35]
asciilifeform !s reducing space mission cost [23:35]
assbot 2 results for 'reducing space mission cost' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=reducing+space+mission+cost [23:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shoulda ordered icecream :D [23:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha i'll bring ice cream to confIII [23:35]
asciilifeform l0l [23:35]
mircea_popescu btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. [23:36]
mircea_popescu it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser [23:36]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831933 [23:36]
* asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test [23:36]
assbot Logged on 17-09-2014 02:27:20; decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2 [23:36]
decimation asciilifeform: they aren't gonna last very long if they can't deliver working circuits [23:37]
asciilifeform took'em almost a month, too [23:37]
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* asciilifeform is not inclined to believe that it was accidental [23:39]
wangxinxi Have you guys heard of hedgy.co? [23:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why not ? [23:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: both modules in both rng boards 100% dead [23:43]
asciilifeform without any visual signs of defect [23:44]
asciilifeform no visibly misaligned parts, no shorts [23:44]
mircea_popescu incompetence is the parsimonious explanation [23:44]
decimation asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated? [23:44]
asciilifeform decimation: yes [23:44]
asciilifeform decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II [23:44]
asciilifeform 100% analogue [23:44]
decimation can't imagine it's that complex [23:44]
asciilifeform it isn't [23:44]
decimation sounds like a bad board to me [23:45]
asciilifeform two bad boards [23:45]
asciilifeform in entirely invisible way [23:45]
decimation which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec [23:45]
asciilifeform again, not in any way detectable to naked eye [23:45]
asciilifeform about to manually probe the components under microscope [23:45]
asciilifeform but conclusive test would involve desoldering them [23:46]
BingoBoingo Maybe the wrong shade of blue for the PCB is problematic? [23:46]
decimation heh [23:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no [23:46]
* asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III [23:47]
asciilifeform now going empty. [23:47]
BingoBoingo How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards [23:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'll tell you how [23:48]
asciilifeform notice a sucker just paid'em 75 usd. [23:48]
asciilifeform me, that is [23:48]
asciilifeform because no alternative. [23:48]
asciilifeform it's exactly like the apple thread [23:48]
decimation presumably they will make you two more if it's their fault [23:48]
asciilifeform in another month [23:49]
asciilifeform and how the fuck do i prove whose fault [23:50]
asciilifeform and the game can be kept going as long as they like [23:50]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: can't you make them an offer they can't refuse? [23:51]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: if i could offer anyone anything, would not be having muppet problems [23:53]
ben_vulpes btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua. [23:53]
asciilifeform so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k [23:53]
asciilifeform though they have the correct printing [23:53]
asciilifeform and that's just one piece. [23:54]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i meant. you know "come to an understanding" if fuck ups occur? [23:54]
thestringpuller you're russian! [23:54]
BingoBoingo Prolly time to get some Chinese sweatshop workers into your shed with that H1B visa deal [23:54]
thestringpuller lol those poor chinese workers. dunno if asciilifeform is as benevolent of slave driver as mircea_popescu [23:56]
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