Forum logs for 11 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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wyrdmantis Hello Asseters! [06:37]
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jurov hi wyrdmantis [07:05]
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punkman http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/illustrated-account-great-maple-syrup-heist/ [08:45]
assbot An Illustrated Account of the Great Maple Syrup Heist - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAVkdy ) [08:45]
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mircea_popescu hello wyrdmantis [09:25]
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deedbot- [Trilema] El Defloreador tum tum tudum tum-tum! - http://trilema.com/2015/el-defloreador-tum-tum-tudum-tum-tum/ [12:35]
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asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/10/apple-search-15-mc-01902-jo.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3CQNCBA << mega-l0l [12:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iL ) [12:57]
assbot dpaste: 3CQNCBA ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iU ) [12:57]
asciilifeform re: cokemachine. [12:57]
punkman how's that related to cokemachine? [13:15]
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asciilifeform it is a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749 [14:15]
assbot Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th [14:15]
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mircea_popescu https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/facebook-implement-bitcoin-payments-advertising-platform/ << "rumors" lol. [15:03]
assbot Facebook to implement Bitcoin Payments on their Advertising Platform? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2dfmZ ) [15:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims. [15:04]
phf "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace" [15:12]
mircea_popescu this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs. [15:15]
phf "are the are any seditious thoughts on the premisses, that we need to know about" [15:16]
mircea_popescu poor "need". that word's so beaten up these days. [15:17]
phf heh, i didn't even notice, the entire form was making me uneasy, but it's that casual "need" that's probably the worst part [15:20]
mircea_popescu "sir, i'll need you to..." [15:21]
mircea_popescu it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying. [15:21]
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mircea_popescu libtard socialism ftw, needs are respectable wants are criminal so let's pretend like we need shit we must have. [15:23]
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phf it's also removal of agency, need is something that happens to you, like "i need you to fill this out for me" has the "just doing my job, sir". as opposed to russian "you must fill this out" where the power dynamic is explicit [15:29]
phf although often mocked "you don't understand, i needed to do this". oh you needed, that changes everything [15:31]
mircea_popescu aha [15:32]
mircea_popescu https://ers.trendmicro.com/reputations/legitimate/ << herp. [15:37]
assbot Trend Micro Email Reputation Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkeYb ) [15:37]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b49285981a21f4dc5e26ca31d314ffca/tumblr_nlgw6rdtyi1tkz70so1_1280.jpg [15:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkWVe ) [15:50]
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hdbuck !s mircea_popescu in other words [16:03]
assbot 90 results for 'mircea_popescu in other words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mircea_popescu+in+other+words [16:03]
hdbuck jesus [16:04]
mircea_popescu did you mean in other news ? [16:04]
hdbuck yes ^^ [16:04]
hdbuck !s in other news [16:05]
assbot 736 results for 'in other news' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news [16:05]
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hdbuck ah and i thought 90 results was quite much already. [16:06]
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hdbuck mircea_popescu when is the next b-a gathering? [16:09]
mircea_popescu nothing's been announced to date. [16:10]
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jurov http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit" [16:28]
assbot Item13812: Foswiki 2.0 useless without javascript < Tasks < Foswiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PooBsB ) [16:28]
mod6 neat, just did an autobuild of rotor + TEST2 via V. build was successful, running and pulling blocks. :] [16:31]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296367 << the part that looks like 'lying' is actually a cargo cult thereof. [17:00]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 18:21:32; mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying. [17:00]
asciilifeform (normally when one properly lies, it is with some effort to be believed) [17:00]
asciilifeform as it is, western/non-orc bureaucrats use ceremonial language dating to a time when cooperation was a (comparatively) voluntary thing [17:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296360 << wat. since wickard vs filburn at least ! [17:03]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 18:04:22; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims. [17:03]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296361 << laugh, but this is being actively pursued with 'fmri' and related apparatus. [17:04]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 18:12:24; phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace" [17:04]
asciilifeform there are already freislers at work, crafting 'legal framework' for it. [17:05]
asciilifeform afaik, the most audacious claim to date is that the machine can tell if the victim has seen a particular object previously. [17:06]
asciilifeform folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. [17:06]
asciilifeform intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients' [17:07]
asciilifeform while the remainder can be parallel-constructed, accidented, etc. into their place. [17:07]
ben_vulpes it is the only hope for the lie detector replacement [17:08]
ben_vulpes and will likely suffer the same public humiliations [17:08]
punkman just an update for current lie detector [17:08]
asciilifeform not actually being pursued for this [17:08]
ben_vulpes as 'dna evidence' is atm [17:08]
asciilifeform the 'voodoo intimidation value' of the old-fashioned kind is, afaik, thought to suffice [17:08]
punkman people still believe in the old model [17:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes has it, it will be another 'dna evidence' [17:09]
ben_vulpes the whole legal/scientocratic edifice is shaking apart as the science part more trivially debunkable. [17:09]
punkman but I think new version will need to include "quantum" and stuff [17:09]
ben_vulpes grows more* [17:09]
asciilifeform or rather, speaking more generally, yet another kind of fingerprint. [17:09]
asciilifeform punkman: it already includes quantum voodoo! [17:09]
asciilifeform see 'SQUID' etc [17:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s [17:10]
asciilifeform yet still used in virtually every country [17:10]
asciilifeform because - for the actual, rather than stated purpose - they work great. [17:10]
asciilifeform (extracting confession) [17:10]
ben_vulpes sure, people threaten each other with random shit all the time. [17:10]
ben_vulpes and generally the big stick works. [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00048224 = 9.8618 BTC [+] [17:12]
asciilifeform interestingly, even a very small stick works.. [17:12]
ben_vulpes but when the voodoo is known to everyone as voodoo, which the left will *ensure* happens with the DNA saga [17:12]
ben_vulpes (see "institutional racism" thread) [17:12]
ben_vulpes the threat of voodoo won't work anymore. [17:12]
ben_vulpes "i'm going to poke this doll image of you!" [17:13]
ben_vulpes "lolk. my lawyer plz." [17:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: last i saw, the u.s. left loves dna test. so long as it is mainly used to exonerate blacks [17:13]
ben_vulpes http://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/447202433/-great-pause-among-forensic-scientists-as-dna-proves-fallible << latest chapter [17:14]
assbot 'Great Pause' Among Prosecutors As DNA Proves Fallible : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Bgk ) [17:14]
asciilifeform precisely as happened with fingerprints. [17:14]
ben_vulpes i'd love to see "1/30 odds convicts whitey but not his darker friends" [17:14]
asciilifeform phun phakt: most fingerprint database is entirely unusable for any practical purpose whatsoever. [17:15]
ben_vulpes just because some derpy whites succumb to intimidation does not mean dna framing still works. it works on derpy blacks too, what of it? [17:15]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: see famous case with portland lawyer that the incompetents in the usg wanted to frame for the madrid bombings. [17:15]
ben_vulpes DIDN'T WORK [17:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play [17:16]
ben_vulpes that formula being? [17:16]
asciilifeform http://www.businessinsider.com/antonin-scalia-says-executing-the-innocent-is-constitutional-2014-9 [17:16]
assbot Antonin Scalia Says Executing The Innocent Is Constitutional - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Gke ) [17:16]
asciilifeform it was, iirc, 'innocence is not a constitutional bar to punishment' [17:17]
ben_vulpes i'm sure goebbels etc had some variant too [17:18]
ben_vulpes whoever ran those "courts" [17:18]
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ben_vulpes anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date [17:20]
ben_vulpes yes they'll continue stomping on the poor and disenfranchised. [17:20]
ben_vulpes no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests. [17:21]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lulzily, usg agrees! [17:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: which is why more and more of its actual muscle is extrajudicial [17:37]
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asciilifeform unrelatedly, today i went into a shop and saw a type of chumpatronic contrivance for which i do not know the name: [17:43]
asciilifeform there was a row of apple portables, and some had high-res lcd (sold as 'retina' trade name) while others had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such; instead, they were atrocious, with what looked like triangular pixels, dithering visible to the naked eye; [17:44]
asciilifeform like an old vhs camera viewfinder [17:45]
asciilifeform my first thought was that these are not intended to actually sell [17:45]
asciilifeform but instead to prod people to the costlier 'high res' variant [17:45]
asciilifeform my other thought was that it is even possible that both variants used physically-identical components and the cheaper one was somehow crippled in software. [17:46]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/hotbroiler/ [17:55]
assbot Hot Broiler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo5ud ) [17:55]
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mod6 Ok, so I've posted my version of V for some review before it goes to the ML. Inside the archive you'll find a `v.pl', `v_quick_start.txt', and `v_users_manual.txt' - and each with a corresponding sig. [18:09]
mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz [18:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpNvM ) [18:09]
mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz.mod6.sig [18:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpL76 ) [18:10]
mod6 Thanks in advance for your feedback. [18:10]
BingoBoingo https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/06/how-a-secret-chinese-military-drug-based-on-an-ancient-herb-won-the-nobel-prize/ [18:11]
assbot How a secret Chinese military drug based on an ancient herb won the Nobel Prize - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXDoi3 ) [18:12]
mod6 (Hint: Please rtfm at least one of the guides before anyone says "Doesnt work!") [18:12]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296362 << I am interested in taking on a n00b as an apprentice in sacrificing for the purpose of hopefully getting some overcraft loot [18:14]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 18:15:21; mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs. [18:14]
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mircea_popescu how'd that work danielpbarron ? [18:20]
mircea_popescu folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years. [18:21]
mircea_popescu or that there's more examples of this pinnacle of lulz than there are "scientists" drawing breath at any given time. [18:22]
mircea_popescu anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date << word. [18:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00047965 = 14.6053 BTC [-] {3} [18:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but [18:31]
mircea_popescu the fucking scannig speed of that thing. omfg. [18:31]
mircea_popescu if things moved < 5% it was clear, if faster than that holy blur on a shitstick! [18:31]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how they imagine the pos digital projector can compete with a 1950s soviet thing that went around the villages to show propaganda shorts. [18:32]
mircea_popescu it doesn't. [18:32]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/1843b7f9b3044d65b6f6e83f9f663465/tumblr_ngpkg23or21tcv3gao1_1280.jpg << good tits are a thing. [18:33]
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mircea_popescu cool beans mod6 [18:36]
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ben_vulpes neat stuff mod6 [18:37]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'lcds' << apple SOP. watch exists to maintain price point of late model pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of new pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of the *cheap* craptop... [18:39]
ben_vulpes the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more. [18:41]
phf went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was [18:43]
phf disapointed though, that you can't just drive your sit to get popcorn and coke. have to walk. [18:43]
mircea_popescu this thing (baires) was an INCREDIBLE collection of the stupideology of argentinians. [18:44]
mircea_popescu it hit all the dumb spots, it could stand as a two hour summary of "this is a full description of how these imbeciles are imbeciles" [18:45]
kakobrekla high expectations are problematic for any movie [18:48]
BingoBoingo http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html [18:48]
assbot It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEZED ) [18:48]
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phf kakobrekla: i didn't have any expectations, i didn't know anything about it until half hour before. one of the people who invited me walked out half way through and the other one appologized. [18:58]
kakobrekla lolk [18:58]
mircea_popescu haha [18:58]
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mod6 thanks mircea_popescu & ben_vulpes; plz let me know if you have questions or wanna discuss anything about how it works. [19:06]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more. << and even so it won't be able to keep up with inflation. [19:07]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2402b48de25359229cb5b466a36f557b/tumblr_ngp9c2WaZz1tcv3gao1_1280.jpg [19:07]
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mod6 found a bug. will fix on next time posted. for now; after `./v.pl init http://thebitcoin.foundation` is run, run `./v.pl w` to ensure all of the WoT's get imported to the keyring. [20:13]
mod6 anyway, simple change. let me know if something out sticks out. [20:14]
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ben_vulpes trinque: you might find it amusing that now that the rains have moved in, Hinson is holding a series of neighborhood meetings to figure out "what to do" about colonel summers. [20:31]
mod6 hmm. chicken/egg type of problem, maybe not so simple. if one wants to check the signed mirrors before init, how can sigs be checked from wot if no wot yet exists. [20:31]
mod6 will have to think on that a bit. :] [20:32]
ben_vulpes everyone wants affordable housing, they just don't want to house people who need affordable housing anywhere near themselves. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu why not ? much better to fuck women that need affordable housing than women thart don't. [20:37]
mircea_popescu for one thing, younger. for the other thing, much less of a bitch. [20:37]
mircea_popescu the concept of unaffordable housing chiefly exists on this earth to keep women pliable and young derps out of the pool. [20:38]
mod6 I guess I could just not print who signed the mirrors. Leave the mirror list sigs in place on the server, and they can be checked later by hand if anyone wants. but i kinda like how it shows who signed it. [20:38]
mircea_popescu (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.) [20:38]
mircea_popescu mod6 why is this a bootstrapping problem anyway ? [20:38]
mircea_popescu to run v in the first place one's supposed to provide a populated pubkeys dir. [20:39]
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mod6 One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror. [20:40]
mircea_popescu mmm i don't think that's either intended functionality or a good idea. [20:42]
mircea_popescu as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir. [20:43]
mircea_popescu and unrelated statuesque beauty http://41.media.tumblr.com/d43f95f902f8a42bd22921517589e2aa/tumblr_ngkmo2ayY41tcv3gao1_1280.jpg [20:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7BBQS ) [20:43]
mod6 hmm. well, i can take all of the sync stuff out for sure. will reduce a ton of code. [20:45]
mircea_popescu pgp sync you mean ? [20:45]
mod6 how will the secure population of the pubkey dir work? just by pulling keys manually or is this an automated function? [20:46]
mircea_popescu but these are two diff things, the v sync (of code) and the pubkey part. [20:46]
mod6 no, it sync's stuff from the mirror via wget, currently [20:46]
mod6 the pubkeys, the seals and the vpatches [20:46]
mircea_popescu see, the idea being that pubkey gotta be a special category. [20:46]
mod6 it is not required to do that, one can just populate the stuff by hand, ofc. [20:47]
mircea_popescu then you no longer have the bootstrapping problem you were disucssing earlier. [20:47]
mod6 ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob. [20:47]
mircea_popescu yup [20:48]
mod6 ok makes sense. i'll work on that bit of it. [20:48]
mod6 thx! [20:49]
mircea_popescu dun mention it. [20:49]
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mod6 Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week. [21:12]
phf slime [21:19]
phf err, wrong buffer.. [21:19]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296513 << the rent bezzle solves a problem, yes. which could be solved in other ways. [21:19]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 23:38:25; mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.) [21:19]
asciilifeform orc removal is not rocket surgery, has been done before ! [21:19]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296516 << noooooo [21:20]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror. [21:20]
asciilifeform wot is to be populated MANUALLY [21:21]
asciilifeform this is the kind of thing i was afraid of when first contemplating automating any of this [21:21]
asciilifeform duplicating shithub is PERDITION [21:21]
asciilifeform fetching wot automagically defeats the very purpose of using pgp [21:22]
asciilifeform (how do you know what keys you ended up with, if you do this ?!!!!111) [21:22]
phf asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring? [21:22]
asciilifeform phf: because FUCK pgp 'rings' [21:23]
asciilifeform i fucking hate hidden state [21:23]
asciilifeform and weird config formats [21:23]
asciilifeform a ring, if it is to be tolerated, is a dir I CREATED DELIBERATELY full of pubkeys IN STANDARD FORMAT [21:23]
asciilifeform that can be managed using ordinary unix commands [21:23]
asciilifeform FUCK 'keyrings' [21:23]
asciilifeform pgp verification ought to be invoked 'gpg --verify pubkey payload' [21:24]
asciilifeform that this was not done, is one of 1,001 atrocities [21:24]
asciilifeform i cannot even begin to fathom the kind of retardation that produced 'keyrings'. [21:25]
asciilifeform (actually i can. it was... winblowz compatibility. of course.) [21:25]
phf fair enough [21:25]
asciilifeform i wanna remove a key? rm ~/.wot/key. [21:25]
asciilifeform add? cp key ~/.wot [21:25]
asciilifeform etc. [21:25]
phf actually yeah. i was always curious why "trust system" that presumably is baked into keyrings is different from signing the key with your sig [21:26]
asciilifeform because tards. [21:26]
asciilifeform or why is pgp (1.4.10, say) 19 FUCKING MB ?!!!! [21:27]
asciilifeform of SOURCE [21:27]
asciilifeform for comparison, therealbitcoin is < 700kB [21:28]
phf for fair comparison therealbitcoin loc should include relevant openssl bits [21:29]
asciilifeform atm nobody knows precisely their mass. [21:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296476 << lulzy, the one i have at home, apparently, is better [21:31]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 21:31:08; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but [21:31]
asciilifeform has none of these issues. [21:31]
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asciilifeform 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. [21:32]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296518 << yes!! [21:34]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 23:42:59; mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir. [21:34]
phf by the way i stopped by some russian bookstore on the way to saunas and spotted this utterly ridiculous shalamov cover http://static.ozone.ru/multimedia/books_covers/1011527549.jpg. i don't even. [21:34]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoOpVA ) [21:34]
asciilifeform what's ridiculous? that he's standing right next to the wire? sure. [21:35]
asciilifeform in the fine tradition of sf cover art, where the artist must never, under any circumstances, know anything at all about the inside of the book. [21:36]
phf hehe, indeed [21:36]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296461 << dead link [21:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:37]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 21:09:34; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz [21:37]
phf or that there's wire to begin with, or that he has a fur hat, or some semblance of warm clothes. or the "sharapov and the bandit part 5" style of print [21:37]
asciilifeform archetype. [21:38]
asciilifeform just like the ubiquitous sherlock holmes with the funny hat and misshapen pipe [21:38]
asciilifeform or viking with horns [21:39]
asciilifeform this is also known as kabuki. [21:39]
asciilifeform (where we get 'ninjas wear black') [21:39]
phf i guess that's kind of like seeing conan the barbarian cover on beowulf [21:44]
asciilifeform exactly. [21:44]
asciilifeform betcha there is such an edition. [21:44]
asciilifeform look for it in major american book shops. [21:44]
asciilifeform http://resizing.flixster.com/erPsTE8te0dgJJw4vd29-f_pgLw=/800x1200/dkpu1ddg7pbsk.cloudfront.net/movie/11/16/97/11169776_ori.jpg << and guess what. [21:45]
phf http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0442933/ << [21:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoPixd ) [21:45]
assbot La légende de Beowulf (2007) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoPkVT ) [21:45]
asciilifeform aha, it. [21:45]
mod6 asciilifeform: <+mod6> Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week. [21:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform like what other ways ? you're not willing to spend 12 hours a day beating them [21:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why not minefields ? [21:51]
asciilifeform and i hear auto-turrets have come a long way! [21:51]
asciilifeform as seen in korean dmz. [21:51]
asciilifeform and south africa. [21:51]
asciilifeform i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great [21:53]
phf biggest disappointment of visiting northrop grumman one time-- no auto-turrets. i thought surely there if nowhere else. [21:53]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296471 << i have the only altar and the only sacrifice-giving skill item; whoever would agree to be my apprentice would use my altar with my ingredients and give me all the loot, and in return they would get the experience [21:53]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 21:20:00; mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron ? [21:53]
asciilifeform phf: try aircraft carrier [21:53]
mircea_popescu you seem to be of the same persuasion of the good folk making "bitpurse.io". [21:54]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is the landmine going to identify them! [21:54]
mircea_popescu "oh, forger the hard problems involved while i focus on painting the fence! that'll do it!" [21:54]
mircea_popescu no, srsly ? [21:54]
asciilifeform ask the israelis [21:54]
mircea_popescu if it were as simple as orc = black we'd have long exterminated the blacks and be living in paradise [21:54]
mircea_popescu shit dun work. [21:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring? << more calmly explained, because pgp is marked for death. we're working deliberately towards replacing it. [21:55]
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asciilifeform the way this works best is that the guard knows everyone who belongs inside the wire, by face. [21:56]
asciilifeform anyone else has to sit in a cage and get 'buzzed in.' [21:56]
phf i gather as much from elsewhere in the logs [21:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and HOW does he know them. [21:56]
mircea_popescu by face or by post devirgination remains irrespective. [21:56]
asciilifeform ideally, guard is one of the residents, who take turns on checkpoint duty. [21:57]
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asciilifeform and know one another. [21:57]
asciilifeform in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense. [21:58]
mircea_popescu 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos. [21:58]
mircea_popescu more like scoursos umanos, but enfin. [21:58]
asciilifeform ahahahaha [21:58]
mircea_popescu your working projector intended for a home was 1k new, their "cinema multiplexo!11" projector was prolly 2k and they bought it on time, so paid 5k or w/e. [21:59]
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mircea_popescu anyway. the problem is not identification in the sense of this x = the x we know to be ok. [22:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder if the blurry '90s thing was installed... deliberately! if it did not smudge, no one would know it is digital!!1!!11 [22:00]
mircea_popescu the problem is that given a facebook friendlist of 50k imbecile 20something females who, if asked "like to read" and then if pressed are apparently unaware that books EVEN HAVE AUTHORS [22:01]
mircea_popescu which do you let in. [22:01]
asciilifeform ah, problem of 'who gets to move in' ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu well doh. how do you identify the nigger. [22:01]
asciilifeform well, first you check the applicant's forehead for brands. [22:02]
mircea_popescu (where we get 'ninjas wear black') << weren't ninjas wearing black because convention for "not visible" ? [22:02]
asciilifeform if you don't see 'T' (thief), 'M' (mayhem).... [22:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: correct [22:02]
mircea_popescu i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great <<< how the fuck are you gonna manage this wonder. so you select a woman. and her spawn will... regress to the mean. of course. and she'll love it anwyay. of course. and now what ? [22:03]
asciilifeform ... no brands? he gets to have a chat with the residents [22:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reintroducing starvation would go a long way. [22:04]
mircea_popescu so then you should be a fan of the rent bezzle. [22:04]
mircea_popescu it's pretty much the only thing working to starve reddit into submission. [22:04]
asciilifeform not seeing this submission [22:04]
mircea_popescu in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense. << the OTHER problem with this is that there isn't eno9ugh space in the dunbar-based graph to cram everything you need. [22:05]
mircea_popescu even something as tiny as a porn studio will not be served by the model. [22:05]
asciilifeform how's that [22:05]
mircea_popescu let's go through the list. [22:05]
mircea_popescu modest studio = 6 camera people + 9 or so trainees ; about two dozen fluffers + administrative assistants ; about 2-300 models ; cleanning and maintenance crew ; execs and other suits. [22:06]
mircea_popescu you're over 300 people. they won't know each other. [22:06]
mircea_popescu and this is not even fucking paramount or nlc ; and those are jack shit, basically they produce footage, big whoop. try making an atomic dirigible next. [22:07]
asciilifeform except in this hypothetical, we are not designing a soviet rocket factory, and pondering how to keep out spies from washington. [22:07]
asciilifeform we're designing a residential complex, and trying to keep out destructive lumpens [22:07]
mircea_popescu while designing a rocket factory that also produces jam. [22:08]
mircea_popescu this arbitrary division is naught but naivite in a wrapper. [22:08]
asciilifeform i doubt that any usaschwitz inmate would have a serious problem distinguishing 'want this as neighbour' from 'do not want' in five minutes of conversation. [22:09]
mircea_popescu i guarantee you no ustard could discern anything from his own shit. [22:09]
asciilifeform in practice, the 'do not want' is identifiable with minimal effort. because these are not spies from washington, but human refuse [22:09]
mircea_popescu people like the orcs themselves are eversoslighty better at it [22:09]
mircea_popescu but at the massive cost of not doing anything worth the mention ever. [22:10]
mircea_popescu a la cecens. they can distinguish non-worthy dogfucker, yes. [22:10]
mircea_popescu problem is, they distinguish him by how he doesn't fuck goats like they all doi. [22:10]
asciilifeform where i live, at present, any experimentation in selectors ~other than rent bezzle~ is specifically forbidden by usg. [22:11]
mircea_popescu this may be true, [22:11]
asciilifeform but if it were not, different approaches could be tried [22:11]
mircea_popescu but it does not automatically make the emplaced system unoptimal. [22:11]
asciilifeform say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010' [22:11]
mircea_popescu for that matter, also wheree you live, anything but oxygen respiration is forbidden by biology. [22:12]
mircea_popescu if it wasn't, alternatives could be tried. [22:12]
mircea_popescu sure, they could be tried. what of the trying. [22:12]
asciilifeform there is this thing called 'freedom of association'. used to be a thing in usa. [22:12]
asciilifeform today - specifically banned. if you want to sell or rent a house, it has to be done like-so. [22:12]
asciilifeform or jail. [22:12]
mircea_popescu you're still free to associate. buy a building, let your own slavegirls populate it frere of charge. [22:13]
asciilifeform buy rocket, build dome on mars, yes. [22:13]
mircea_popescu freedom was never for the poor. [22:13]
mircea_popescu not ever. [22:13]
asciilifeform which is where we get to the sacramental: [22:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 [22:13]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in. [22:13]
mircea_popescu either that or make some money. [22:14]
asciilifeform i have a sequel! [22:14]
mircea_popescu and in yet another branch off this tree, im not even sure your ideas of selection would be a net positive. [22:15]
mircea_popescu only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy. [22:15]
mircea_popescu and anthropology. [22:15]
mircea_popescu phf doesn't even look like he finished college. [22:15]
asciilifeform asciilifeform: 'my mandatory plastic toilet has chipped.' mircea_popescu: 'whaddayamean' asciilifeform: 'well, broke.' mircea_popescu: 'make some money! buy iridium toilet, like normal person!' [22:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notice that i did not say 'exterminate people who didn't graduate in maths.' i said 'what if people had freedom of association.' the example give was, well, an example. [22:16]
asciilifeform not a formula for robotic extermination army. [22:16]
mircea_popescu the example given was well, a case of dwimnwis. [22:16]
asciilifeform if one demands a 'final solution' - yes. but what i asked for was the freedom to try solutions other than bezzle. [22:17]
mircea_popescu yeah. except the absence of this freedom is no proof that the freedom would benefit, and your hypotheses as presented are unpersuasive. [22:18]
mircea_popescu and since we're picking on the structure of reality, why not the freedom to be a different height. maybe if you could experiment with height you'd have more pleasant urinatory experiences or who knows what. [22:19]
asciilifeform l0l [22:19]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, you know the joke with the short guy in the public restroom ? [22:19]
asciilifeform hm? [22:19]
mircea_popescu a tall guy that has visible parkinson and a short guy happen in the same restroom [22:19]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is wrong with you ? asks shorty [22:20]
mircea_popescu well... you see... parkinson... [22:20]
mircea_popescu at which the shorty starts breakdancing too [22:20]
mircea_popescu "what happened ? also parkinson ?" [22:20]
mircea_popescu "no, i just don't like having piss in my ears" [22:20]
asciilifeform l0lz [22:20]
mircea_popescu so yeah, if only we could experiment with height i could fuck throats standing. [22:21]
mircea_popescu meanwhile if you're curious and bored, read the coupla excellent mongraphs re life in london cca 1800. [22:21]
asciilifeform yes, i get it, iridium toilet on atomic dirigible is very spiffy [22:22]
mircea_popescu that was a place where very much such freedom to experiment. [22:22]
asciilifeform for those who have it. [22:22]
asciilifeform you mean the post-enclosures london? [22:22]
asciilifeform flooded with angry orcs? [22:22]
mircea_popescu all the coats were gray from all the home heating expwerimentation, and 40% of the population lived off processing garbage. [22:22]
asciilifeform mega-example [22:22]
mircea_popescu or for that matter, see warsaw jews. [22:22]
asciilifeform same idea [22:22]
mircea_popescu maybe part of why they got fucking exterminated like cows was that they LIVED LIKE FUCKING COWS mysql [22:22]
mircea_popescu who knows ; who could have predicted ; etc. [22:22]
asciilifeform cows would take offense [22:23]
mircea_popescu i dunnop that there existed anything more offensive than the jewish ghetto of eastern europe cca 1920. [22:23]
mircea_popescu and that was a rather direct result of "freedom to experiment". [22:23]
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asciilifeform afaik this was not a case of 'freedom to experiment' but of imprisonment [22:24]
mircea_popescu what the fuck do you think freedom is. [22:24]
mircea_popescu where's that great song [22:24]
mircea_popescu ;;google and my dirty red bandanna [22:24]
gribble Me And Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin Songfacts: ; Took my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana – Me and Bobby ...: ; I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana / I was playing soft ...: [22:24]
mircea_popescu aha. check it out, sometimes it hits. [22:25]
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asciilifeform the way i see it, in present-day usa you have the choice of buying plastic toilet with rusty nails instead of a seat, or iridium toilet. [22:27]
asciilifeform all i'd like is the option of ordinary porcelain. [22:27]
asciilifeform like 50yrs ago. [22:27]
asciilifeform because iridium is pricey and i'd like to use the money to buy turkeys. [22:28]
asciilifeform i've spoken to enough old folks in usa, dug through enough archives, old advertisements, to know what people earned and what they paid for a roof over their head. [22:29]
asciilifeform in various times. [22:29]
mircea_popescu tis not so simple yo. [22:30]
mircea_popescu the people in those various times were supported by earnest empire. [22:30]
mircea_popescu loo kwhat the chinese coolie earned in singapore in the same times. [22:30]
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mircea_popescu "Gmail Para Tu Negocio Ahora podés verte más profesional con un e-mail personalizado." [22:40]
mircea_popescu the irony being that they exactly got it : these fucktards actually believe gonzalez@gmail.com is "moar professional". [22:40]
mircea_popescu just like bums drag around broken iphones. they might not work, but fuck, he's practically like almost one step removed from actual humanity. those great fabulous half-god creatures that actually use iphones and actually have professions. [22:41]
mircea_popescu what's an argentine to do ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu meanwhile at the smarter kids fort, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2acd27e393e94288e05c0482302669c6/tumblr_nuohzcEyOi1ttqu7ro1_1280.jpg [22:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jjukUC ) [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133571 @ 0.00048707 = 65.0584 BTC [+] {3} [22:49]
asciilifeform over here, they have working iphones. [22:55]
mircea_popescu sure. [22:58]
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