Forum logs for 11 May 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 39 @ 0.01501 = 0.5854 BTC [-] [00:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.015 = 0.165 BTC [-] [00:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1079 BTC [+] [00:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01461 = 0.0292 BTC [-] [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.015 = 0.36 BTC [-] [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01485 = 2.2275 BTC [-] [00:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0146 = 0.1898 BTC [-] [00:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00329989 = 1.32 BTC [+] [00:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4844 BTC [+] [00:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0147 = 0.2205 BTC [-] [00:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.45 = 3.15 BTC [+] [00:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4844 = 7.422 BTC [+] [00:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4845 BTC [+] [00:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.485 BTC [+] [00:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.486 BTC [+] [00:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.488 = 32.736 BTC [+] [00:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.488 BTC [+] [00:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.489 = 25.313 BTC [+] [00:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.4899 = 14.899 BTC [+] [00:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.491 = 10.437 BTC [+] [00:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498 BTC [+] [00:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0152 BTC [+] [00:39]
topace__ !ticker h asicm [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01440002 / 0.01561538 / 0.02820000 (7019 shares, 109.60434524 BTC), 7D: 0.01290000 / 0.01471309 / 0.02820000 (32576 shares, 479.29358191 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01471309 / 0.02820000 (32576 shares, 479.29358191 BTC) [00:43]
topace__ !ticker h him [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 2.00010000 / 2.13311429 / 2.31090000 (7 shares, 14.93180000 BTC), 7D: 1.90000100 / 2.00720846 / 2.31090000 (142 shares, 285.02360198 BTC), 30D: 0.85000000 / 1.77515951 / 2.31090000 (663 shares, 1176.93075547 BTC) [00:43]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498 BTC [+] [00:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498 BTC [+] [00:49]
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kakobrekla >The Minirig will most likely ship as two units (where as it was just one before) and possibly some Singles to bring it up to the full hashrate ordered. [00:54]
kakobrekla lulz [00:54]
jborkl http://wholeworldinformation.blogspot.com/2013/04/first-computer-ever-made-in-world-z3.html [00:55]
jborkl new minirig [00:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.3009 = 1.8054 BTC [+] [01:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.015 = 3 BTC [-] [01:04]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498 BTC [+] [01:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0165 = 1.65 BTC [-] [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.301 = 0.602 BTC [+] [01:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199 BTC [-] [01:13]
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jborkl [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199 BTC [-] [01:15]
jborkl ? [01:15]
jborkl assbot, I think you fucked up [01:15]
ThickAsThieves its someone exercising options [01:17]
jborkl ah ha [01:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.485 BTC [+] [01:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.484 BTC [-] [01:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.3009 = 1.2036 BTC [-] [01:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.015 = 0.36 BTC [-] [01:26]
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KRS-1 my spidey senses are going off again [01:39]
KRS-1 T'sup luke [01:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 125 @ 0.0009 = 0.1125 BTC [+] [01:40]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.471 = 2.942 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.460001 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45811 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4575 BTC [-] [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455105 BTC [-] [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4551 BTC [-] [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [-] [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.45005 = 2.9001 BTC [-] [02:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.014751 = 0.2213 BTC [-] [02:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01475 = 1.475 BTC [-] [02:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01474 BTC [-] [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.01472 = 0.3533 BTC [-] [02:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01461 = 0.0731 BTC [+] [02:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0146 = 0.1752 BTC [-] [02:18]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.01452 = 0.7986 BTC [-] [02:18]
benkay asicminer preparing to roll over? [02:19]
ThickAsThieves w'll see [02:20]
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ThickAsThieves there really hasnt been much selling off [02:20]
benkay mostly just ribbing you [02:20]
ThickAsThieves hehe [02:21]
ThickAsThieves I'll be aight [02:21]
ThickAsThieves some of those were me [02:21]
ThickAsThieves gotta keep that price under control so i can buy more! [02:22]
peterl don't people who try to control a market usually run out of money? [02:22]
benkay when normal people do, yes [02:23]
benkay sometimes individuals succeed in what is called "cornering" a market [02:24]
benkay in -> at [02:24]
benkay ;) [02:24]
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peterl yeah, you can corner a market, but can you make any money while doing it? [02:25]
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ThickAsThieves 5% mgmt fee [02:26]
ThickAsThieves not much [02:26]
ThickAsThieves but i'm not really trying to make the market yet [02:26]
ThickAsThieves yet [02:26]
ThickAsThieves mwooohahaha [02:26]
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KRS-1 heh [02:27]
ThickAsThieves i need like 20x more shares to do that kinda thing [02:28]
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mircea_popescu don't people who try to control a market usually run out of money? << always. [02:32]
KRS1 now who would try to control the market here..hmm... [02:34]
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KRS1 Hahha I bet gribble's mixed up in that shit too.. [02:35]
mircea_popescu gribble's the worst. [02:36]
KRS1 I'm talking to him now [02:37]
KRS1 guess he doesnt like assbot very much [02:39]
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KRS1 hey whats up Chaang-Noi [02:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01486 = 0.0297 BTC [+] [02:40]
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peterl KRS1: gribble and assbot are colluding together to control the markets? they are the start of skynet? [02:50]
mircea_popescu onoes [02:51]
KRS1 i didnt even think of that.. [02:51]
peterl of course you wouldn't think of that, they work very hard to hide their consipracy >:) [02:52]
KRS1 i'll tell you one thing and i dont care if they're reading this...they're goddamn trolls [02:52]
peterl and assbot is a spammer? [02:52]
KRS1 yeah i think i saw him in the btc-e trollbox [02:53]
KRS1 something stinks there..they're driving the price up man..just be ready to sell if you are in right now [02:53]
peterl so maybe we can track their movements, anybody know which address they are on the bitfunder assets list? [02:54]
KRS1 anyone got any pr0ns..im bored..maybe gonna go fap for a while..need a beer. [02:54]
KRS1 maybe ill surf teh trilema for a while for some leet pix [02:54]
mircea_popescu you know you can just http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/ and selfserve [02:55]
KRS1 yeh awesome i need this shit [02:56]
KRS1 http://tinyurl.com/dxgdg32 [03:05]
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benkay welp some asshole just started playing music in this cafe [03:08]
benkay concentration fucked [03:09]
benkay time to rent an office [03:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.000701 = 1.2618 BTC [-] [03:16]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491984 BTC [+] [03:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491985 BTC [+] [03:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491995 BTC [+] [03:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01519999 = 0.304 BTC [+] [03:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01482 BTC [-] [03:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 140 @ 0.01519999 = 2.128 BTC [+] [03:39]
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peterl so people talk about the pass-throughs having higher liquidity than MPEx because there is not the barrier to entry, but I think that S.MPOE sale was bigger than the volume on btct for the past month? [03:44]
mircea_popescu ya well. [03:49]
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deadweasel i need a good SSD, anyone got a suggestion? [03:58]
kakobrekla samsung [03:58]
deadweasel it's working for you? [03:58]
kakobrekla i have a few yea [03:59]
KRS1 i have a raid ssd working on my vmware server rather well [03:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4805 @ 0.000701 = 3.3683 BTC [-] [04:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491985 BTC [-] [04:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491995 BTC [+] [04:05]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.492 = 10.444 BTC [+] [04:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.492 = 16.412 BTC [+] [04:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.227 BTC [-] [04:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01482 = 0.6965 BTC [-] [04:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475 BTC [-] [04:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-] [04:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 165 @ 0.01474001 = 2.4321 BTC [-] [04:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 84 @ 0.01474 = 1.2382 BTC [-] [04:26]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ [13:26]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 [13:26]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [13:28]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 115.50003, Best ask: 115.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19997, Last trade: 115.69000, 24 hour volume: 60390.73315900, 24 hour low: 114.00000, 24 hour high: 122.50000, 24 hour vwap: 118.55923 [13:28]
KRS1 how'dy [13:30]
mircea_popescu pretty good actually. [13:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1233 @ 0.00070527 = 0.8696 BTC [+] [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070586 = 3.05 BTC [+] [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00070587 = 4.9411 BTC [+] [13:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3746 @ 0.00071052 = 2.6616 BTC [+] [13:37]
mircea_popescu http://www.theonion.com/articles/teenage-girl-blossoming-into-beautiful-object,31061/ [13:37]
mircea_popescu the onion is seriously the most respectable us news source. [13:37]
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Chaaang-Noi the onion can be prettygood [13:40]
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mircea_popescu of course their intent is to lampoon normal female maturation into "Something bad". as if staying a retarded 7yo is somehow the ideal and we all missed the memo. [13:40]
Chaaang-Noi i s da board, btc world is the slow [13:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0147 = 0.2646 BTC [-] [13:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01468 = 0.4698 BTC [-] [13:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 93 @ 0.01475001 = 1.3718 BTC [-] [13:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 408 @ 0.01475 = 6.018 BTC [-] [13:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01484 = 0.2523 BTC [+] [13:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.01485 = 0.4604 BTC [+] [13:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01488 = 0.0298 BTC [+] [13:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 96 @ 0.01489 = 1.4294 BTC [+] [13:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.493 BTC [+] [13:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495 BTC [+] [13:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.4968 = 14.968 BTC [+] [13:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4969 BTC [+] [13:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01468 = 0.1468 BTC [-] [13:56]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196189.msg2041480#msg2041480 [14:18]
mircea_popescu i lolled in my absent beard. [14:18]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495 BTC [-] [14:32]
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jurov how big btc price expectation does this asic fever show? [14:36]
jurov did anyone do some maffs? [14:36]
jurov but he bought asicminer, no? [14:36]
mircea_popescu jurov maths not allowed [14:37]
mircea_popescu i actually suspect a large section of the btc failnoobs are here because they think bitcoin being based on maffs means that it'll do all the maffing for them [14:37]
jurov and im talking about asics [14:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3578 @ 0.00069643 = 2.4918 BTC [-] [14:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068919 = 2.978 BTC [-] [14:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 651 @ 0.00068918 = 0.4487 BTC [-] [14:38]
jurov if these failnoobs managed to put together few hundred K$ of capital, then i'd agree [14:38]
jurov but we're seeing buch bigger asic investment than that [14:38]
jurov what does the house has with that? [14:40]
mircea_popescu jurov you actually saw this ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu or did you see it reported ? [14:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 25 @ 0.00099 = 0.0248 BTC [-] [14:43]
jurov no [14:43]
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mircea_popescu It says on their website: [14:44]
mircea_popescu "The systems Vircurex.com and Cryptostocks.com have been taken offline over the weekend [14:44]
mircea_popescu Please do not deposit any further coins to your Vircurex accounts. We must assume that the wallet has been compromised." [14:44]
mircea_popescu i guess all the people buying into the ipo got owned huh. [14:44]
jurov yes i saw that. but they claim majority of coins was in cold store, just have to rebuild server completely [14:45]
mircea_popescu can't be too good for share price. [14:46]
jurov yes, but...it's like 4th time with vircurex. everyone got used to it [14:47]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.49 = 5.96 BTC [-] [14:50]
mircea_popescu lolk [14:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070327 = 3.0388 BTC [+] [14:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00070342 = 0.574 BTC [+] [14:57]
Chaaang-Noi truffles> Chaang isnt the bidding over 100btc for waht? [14:59]
Chaaang-Noi of german house, yeah i did 50 [15:00]
Chaaang-Noi that guy wont sell it i bet, he is demanding 150 btc now [15:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01512 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01485 = 0.7425 BTC [+] [15:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.4974 = 8.9844 BTC [+] [15:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198523.0 got milk ?! [15:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4974 BTC [+] [15:09]
Chaaang-Noi he said no reserve [15:12]
Chaaang-Noi now he is demanding 150, so i bid 50 from the 44.44444 or whatever [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 165 @ 0.003013 = 0.4971 BTC [-] [15:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 109 @ 0.003012 = 0.3283 BTC [-] [15:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [-] [15:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 876 @ 0.003 = 2.628 BTC [-] [15:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49 BTC [-] [15:14]
Chaaang-Noi not that i saw [15:14]
KRS1 heh [15:15]
Chaaang-Noi he tried that [15:15]
Chaaang-Noi im okay if he does re do it as long as there is no reserve [15:15]
Chaaang-Noi house is not worth 150 btc [15:15]
Chaaang-Noi 50 btc is about it [15:15]
Chaaang-Noi lol [15:18]
Chaaang-Noi its not like im going to live there (often) [15:19]
Chaaang-Noi yeah, and yeah [15:20]
Chaaang-Noi yeah i look damn young for my age [15:21]
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kakobrekla lol mircea_popescu [15:21]
Chaaang-Noi i think i can resell it and make money if i get it for 50 btc [15:23]
Chaaang-Noi if he wont sell it to me, i can call him a scammer if he wants to be a bitch in the future [15:24]
Chaaang-Noi i think he is a pot head [15:25]
Chaaang-Noi i think he one of the guys that got into btc cuz silk road :/ [15:25]
Chaaang-Noi he just does not seem that bright, who sells a house online in a qweek with no address or escrow? lol [15:26]
Chaaang-Noi yeah, i wont wait up for it [15:27]
Chaaang-Noi it wont go over 150 [15:27]
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KRS1 heh yes..the onion deserves some props for that article [15:29]
Chaaang-Noi maybe no idea, id let it sit fora few years honestly [15:29]
Chaaang-Noi got better shit to do [15:29]
KRS1 needed moar illustrations though..i didnt get a good idea for just how beautiful the blossom became. [15:29]
Chaaang-Noi the outside looked really nice [15:30]
KRS1 the blossom article in the onion [15:31]
KRS1 umms.. [15:32]
KRS1 http://www.theonion.com/articles/teenage-girl-blossoming-into-beautiful-object,31061/ [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068932 = 2.9786 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26829 @ 0.00068918 = 18.49 BTC [-] [15:32]
KRS1 there [15:32]
mircea_popescu KRS1 good point, they did fail at that. [15:32]
Chaaang-Noi 17s are still taboo in the usa, theyd never show as much as they should... [15:32]
ThickAsThieves heh, friedcat sold 50 more blades overnight https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201753.0 [15:34]
ThickAsThieves 50btc ea [15:34]
KRS1 yeah kinda different huh [15:35]
ThickAsThieves i almost never find the Onion to be funny [15:36]
ThickAsThieves it's like Mad Magazine for adults [15:36]
kakobrekla 50btc per blade? [15:37]
ThickAsThieves yep [15:37]
kakobrekla does this solve 2 blocks in its lifetime? [15:37]
ThickAsThieves not my concern [15:37]
Chaaang-Noi kako they sold 50 of them in less than 2 hours and people bid for 50 more [15:37]
Chaaang-Noi kako who gives a fuck if you hold AM stock eh? :) [15:37]
kakobrekla blah [15:37]
kakobrekla i dont [15:37]
Chaaang-Noi why you want to buy a blad then? [15:38]
ThickAsThieves he doesnt [15:38]
kakobrekla just curious mostly [15:38]
Chaaang-Noi maybe its just shock of the made btc the AM stock holders are getting :) [15:38]
Chaaang-Noi yeah, i do wonder if its worth what people are paying [15:38]
kakobrekla id give 10 btc for it tops [15:38]
mircea_popescu Chaaang-Noi you know, i've been reviewing this. 0.0007 per share per week does not go very far. [15:38]
Chaaang-Noi but i have almost no hope that bfl will ship in the next 6 months their 25 ghs units or bigger [15:39]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.0007 * 400000 * 4 [15:39]
gribble 1120 [15:39]
ThickAsThieves so if they pay that out in divs, we might hit .015 div this week [15:39]
Chaaang-Noi mp last week was .0011 [15:39]
ThickAsThieves maybe more [15:39]
mircea_popescu let me explain this better : [15:39]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 20007 / 4 / 400000 [15:39]
gribble 0.012504375 [15:39]
Chaaang-Noi last week was .0011 and that was not with selling anything [15:39]
Chaaang-Noi just being 20% of the network [15:39]
mircea_popescu you need to hit 0.012 for 4 weeks straigjht to equal s.dice [15:39]
mircea_popescu that's 10x what it's doing now, for 4 weeks straight. [15:40]
Chaaang-Noi lol dice [15:40]
ThickAsThieves mp, that will happen [15:40]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe it will. he was arguing really strongly that am is a contender two days ago. [15:40]
mircea_popescu i did the math, turns out he's a degree of magnitude off, as per usual [15:40]
mircea_popescu the funny thing with Chaaang-Noi is that math illiterate people are equally likely to blow a degree of magnitude either direction [15:41]
Chaaang-Noi am has been paying out for 2 months, sdice for a year, but like i said, come back in a year andsee what is up :) [15:41]
mircea_popescu he however only blows it the direction that favours his bias. [15:41]
ThickAsThieves theyll keep selling products, and ramping up hash rate to keep or exceed current % for at least month [15:41]
ThickAsThieves and then he'll probably announce some new product [15:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe so. this discussion is not about the future however. [15:41]
ThickAsThieves word [15:41]
Chaaang-Noi mp im not sure what you are attacking? its pretty clear am is better investment at ipo than s dice, why is it so hard for you to understand? [15:42]
mircea_popescu Chaaang-Noi you claimed coupla days ago that am is going to pay more div than s.dice [15:42]
Chaaang-Noi yeah, the future counts, if you only want to look at the last 2 months AM kills s.dice [15:42]
mircea_popescu it is not, and it's not even close, at all. [15:42]
ThickAsThieves sdice got a PR person, thats a good sign [15:42]
ThickAsThieves of course that person's wages will polish off 10-25% of profits this month... [15:42]
Chaaang-Noi mp AM will in its lifetime pay shit loads more than sdice as a percentage of money invested [15:43]
mircea_popescu sigh. [15:43]
ThickAsThieves Chaang we d can't know that [15:43]
mircea_popescu look. s.dice has maid and paid ~70k btc so far. [15:43]
ThickAsThieves SDICE can still turn things around [15:43]
Chaaang-Noi i know, that is why i said i will come back in a yeah and lulz [15:43]
mircea_popescu asicminer is a. never got that much invested ; b. never got that much traded in its lifetime history ; c. barely paid 10% of that in dividends so far. [15:43]
mircea_popescu they were both started about the same time (april 2012) [15:43]
mircea_popescu that's the whole story. stop confounding your hopes for the future with the history of the world, [15:44]
mircea_popescu they're not cognates. [15:44]
Chaaang-Noi mp who cares what a company pays out, im talking about making the most btc per money invested (what is better 5 btc on 1 btc invested or 234095834 on 340958039458908345098304958093459034 invested? [15:44]
mircea_popescu not everybody is desperately trying to turn their fifty bucks into a million. [15:44]
Chaaang-Noi AM is up what 1500% and paid 3005 in divs? s.dice is what down 20% and paid what 30% in divs? lol [15:44]
mircea_popescu and quite frankly i dislike that particular outlook because it's just bad for business, and for bitcoin in general. [15:44]
Chaaang-Noi well mp, i could give a flying fuck and think you are just jelly :) [15:45]
mircea_popescu sure, you tend to think whatever's convenient at the moment, [15:45]
mircea_popescu which is why only new people give a shit what you think. [15:45]
Chaaang-Noi i turned 5k usd into a millionn, so the fuck what? [15:45]
KRS1 wait..you can turn fifty bucks into a million with this bitcoin stuff [15:45]
mircea_popescu back to the matter at hand : pumping is a bad idea. universally. [15:46]
mircea_popescu and will end in bitchslapping. universally. [15:46]
mircea_popescu gigavps is dead. [15:46]
Chaaang-Noi i could care less what people think about me, im a fucking goat! [15:46]
mircea_popescu you're more resilient than him because you have no backbone, but that doesn't amount to much. [15:46]
KRS1 i could use some pumps yo..where they at [15:46]
Chaaang-Noi krs1 k5 usd worth of AM at ipo is worth about a million or so now [15:46]
KRS1 goddamn [15:46]
Chaaang-Noi mp going to attack my backbone cuz he cant take my logic :? jelly man, its jsut sad [15:47]
KRS1 and i probably remember looking at the shares and bein all like..pfft. [15:47]
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Chaaang-Noi ill be riddin in my lambo, mp be hatin, [15:47]
KRS1 they see me rollin...they hatin.... [15:47]
Chaaang-Noi i will be [15:48]
KRS1 usually..i stepped up the ante a bit lately though. [15:48]
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KRS1 Chaang-Noi be like..."I WOKE UP IN A NEW BUGATTI" [15:48]
KRS1 thats gangster [15:49]
KRS1 good for you bro.. [15:49]
Chaaang-Noi fuck they are like 3.5 million euro? [15:49]
KRS1 yeh..its a new rap song too. [15:49]
Chaaang-Noi even if i had that to spend on a car id not [15:49]
kakobrekla Chaaang-Noi you got a mil in AM? [15:49]
KRS1 i dun like the song though its annoying [15:49]
Chaaang-Noi kako ill ahve to do the maffs hold on [15:50]
kakobrekla Chaaang-Noi: sell. [15:50]
KRS1 although I'd be nervous about those shares.. [15:50]
KRS1 must be really nice dividends [15:50]
ThickAsThieves I bought my first 100 AM shares from Chaang [15:51]
Chaaang-Noi my 5k usd investment would not be worth 957,000 at current prices, but i ahve been slowly selling all the way up so no, i dont have a million in AM (oh but shit, forgot about all the dividends,that is just stock price) [15:51]
Chaaang-Noi id say i made ball park 800k usd in AM [15:51]
kakobrekla id pull out [15:51]
Chaaang-Noi but i really killed it in LTC [15:51]
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KRS1 LTC still have room to go? [15:51]
Chaaang-Noi 400k ltc, muhahahaha [15:51]
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Chaaang-Noi iv been selling ltc hard since 6$ [15:52]
ThickAsThieves this is kinda interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195523.0 [15:52]
KRS1 nice [15:52]
Chaaang-Noi ijust sold 5k more tonight and 10k last night [15:52]
KRS1 does it still have future value and growth in your opinion? [15:52]
Chaaang-Noi im moving all that shit back into btc [15:52]
Chaaang-Noi but wtf am i going to do with a dirt house in germany? [15:52]
kakobrekla i still cant belive those ltc are valued so high [15:52]
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Chaaang-Noi kakop im shocked too [15:52]
Chaaang-Noi still $3! [15:53]
Chaaang-Noi meh [15:53]
Chaaang-Noi mp will get jelly and go burn it down [15:53]
kakobrekla ltc is like bitcoin 3years ago [15:53]
kakobrekla 5 scam sites accept it [15:53]
KRS1 so that should say something about the future of ltc [15:53]
ThickAsThieves not necessarily [15:53]
Chaaang-Noi kako i think gox will not list it, and people will lose interest, i might buy back in when it goes way less than it is now [15:53]
Chaaang-Noi i only hold like 100k now, sold more for btc (some fiat) [15:53]
Chaaang-Noi there be like 2k altcoins now, but namecoin and ltc has been around [15:54]
ThickAsThieves ltc only real use is an instrument to play off BTC [15:54]
ThickAsThieves you can mine w GPU to sell for BTC [15:54]
KRS1 thats the only value I see imo [15:54]
ThickAsThieves you can speculated a bit against BTC/USD [15:54]
ThickAsThieves speculate* [15:55]
ThickAsThieves without BTC, LTC is useless [15:55]
Chaaang-Noi lol [15:56]
KRS1 but not the other way around right? [15:56]
Chaaang-Noi if btc breaks or forks itself ltc is all we gotz [15:56]
ThickAsThieves not true [15:56]
ThickAsThieves just pick a fork [15:56]
Chaaang-Noi i mostly got into ltc so hard cuz i thought if btc forks itself ltc willbe king [15:56]
ThickAsThieves both could even coexist [15:56]
Chaaang-Noi well, maybe i got lucky, i dont give a fuck [15:56]
KRS1 on same blockchain? [15:56]
ThickAsThieves if it forked there'd be two chains [15:57]
ThickAsThieves and we dont know how peopel would react [15:57]
ThickAsThieves maybe they respect both separately [15:57]
ThickAsThieves and the value halves [15:57]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [15:57]
KRS1 some btc would not be able to be verified right [15:57]
ThickAsThieves maybe someone makes BTC 2.0 plan and lets peopel migrate [15:58]
ThickAsThieves maybe dev should come with a plan in the case of a real fork [15:58]
KRS1 like Luke-Jr who say a 51% attack of LTC will happen with a few FPGA's [15:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1920 @ 0.00068918 = 1.3232 BTC [-] [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10303 @ 0.00068375 = 7.0447 BTC [-] [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00068374 = 7.5553 BTC [-] [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4827 @ 0.00068 = 3.2824 BTC [-] [16:00]
ThickAsThieves lol, people are still bidding on those AM blades knowing auction is over, in hopes of forming a queue for next offering [16:03]
KRS1 my bfl rig should be here in a couple of weeks..wish the goddamn difficulty would drop or something. [16:04]
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b0n1 KRS1, how can it drop? [16:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the model is something like this : [16:06]
mircea_popescu whoever has enough money to matter is likely to pick one chain for whatever reason [16:06]
KRS1 it can go up or down [16:06]
mircea_popescu since fork means btc can be spent independently on either chain [16:06]
mircea_popescu he will sell his btc on one and perhaps buy on the other. [16:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495 BTC [+] [16:06]
mircea_popescu as a result prices will rapidly diverge, panicking the mass of users, and the fork is economically resolved. [16:06]
KRS1 mircea popescu: is it possible there is validation data in both chains that each doesnt know about the other? [16:07]
mircea_popescu KRS1 im not sure how you mean ? [16:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4974 = 5.9896 BTC [+] [16:07]
KRS1 from what i understand the transactions move data through the blockchain so if it splits, there could be transactional or validation data split up as well, maybe lost btc? [16:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.4975 = 11.98 BTC [+] [16:08]
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KRS1 maybe i have it wrong [16:08]
KRS1 idk [16:08]
mircea_popescu i think you do. [16:08]
KRS1 ill go read up on it [16:08]
mircea_popescu chains are just that, sequences of blocks, which are made up of txs [16:08]
mircea_popescu if the chain splits there's basically two distinct histories [16:08]
Chaaang-Noi yeah 100 bids or 200 bids on the 50 AM blads :) [16:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498 BTC [+] [16:08]
mircea_popescu which means everyone has 2x as many btc as he used to have : half on each fork [16:09]
KRS1 and a split on the price [16:09]
KRS1 kind of like a stock split [16:09]
mircea_popescu not necessarioly an even split is what i mean. [16:09]
KRS1 halving [16:09]
mircea_popescu people with weight will just pick, sell the loser buy the winner [16:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.4989 = 10.4923 BTC [+] [16:09]
mircea_popescu price will then diverge towards one chain closing in to 100% of the total. [16:09]
davout or sell both and see what happens [16:09]
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mircea_popescu or that yes, but that's neutral for our model [16:10]
KRS1 so its still a nasty situation..sounds sugar coated [16:10]
mircea_popescu ie selling both or buying both doesn't matter. [16:10]
mircea_popescu i don't see what's nasty about it. [16:10]
KRS1 oh it equals out..the real loss is the panic [16:10]
mircea_popescu well, you can see panic as an investment [16:11]
mircea_popescu the drop from 260 to 100 was certainly an investment. people lost money in order to prove bitcoin is not a pump asnd dump. [16:11]
Chaaang-Noi forking btc will be very bad for image, not so bad for btc (unless you personally lost transactions) [16:11]
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ThickAsThieves thats why there should be a plan [16:13]
ThickAsThieves if there were an established plan [16:13]
ThickAsThieves that would instill notable confidence [16:13]
ThickAsThieves even today [16:13]
ThickAsThieves they could even write it into the software [16:13]
ThickAsThieves like if fork, then respect fork that = X [16:14]
mircea_popescu it's not a software issue. [16:14]
mircea_popescu it's a moneybags issue, and who's to say they don't have a plan ? [16:14]
ThickAsThieves i'm just thinking conceptually [16:14]
mircea_popescu even so. not all problems are approachable in code. [16:14]
mircea_popescu in fact, most aren't. [16:14]
mircea_popescu there is however a messaging system build into most clients, to notify merchants if there's a split etc. [16:15]
mircea_popescu on the recent fork it proved itself to work quite well. [16:15]
ThickAsThieves yeah, although mining pool operators being in communication quickly was the real save [16:16]
mircea_popescu or mining pools being willing to lose money. [16:16]
mircea_popescu i have serious doubts that's happening again. ideally it won't need to. [16:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4659 BTC [+] [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.466 = 11.65 BTC [+] [16:17]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [16:19]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.57001, Best ask: 117.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.42999, Last trade: 116.57001, 24 hour volume: 42762.58612031, 24 hour low: 114.00000, 24 hour high: 122.00000, 24 hour vwap: 118.05232 [16:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4989 BTC [+] [16:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00304 = 0.0304 BTC [+] [16:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00098 = 0.0196 BTC [-] [16:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 19 @ 0.000695 = 0.0132 BTC [-] [16:24]
KRS1 See, Chaaang-Noi was saying what I was trying to say "lost transactions" [16:25]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00349 BTC [+] [16:26]
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davout KRS1: transactions don't get lost, in case of a chain fork they should get included in both chains [16:49]
Chaaang-Noi yeah but they can be double spent [16:49]
davout not in the usual meaning of "double spend" though [16:50]
davout they can be spent once, each time on one branch, but that's only sort of a double-spend [16:51]
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davout but spending them to different recipients on each chain would require some careful manual crafting, i'm not even sure it would be practically feasible [16:52]
Chaaang-Noi you wouldhave to be ready for it, but i think it can be done [16:55]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 111 @ 0.003005 = 0.3336 BTC [-] [17:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 80 @ 0.00098 = 0.0784 BTC [-] [17:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 350 @ 0.00099 = 0.3465 BTC [+] [17:04]
davout Chaaang-Noi: thinking about it, it wouldn't be that hard, would simply mean you'd have to craft different txes spending the same coins, to different recipients, that you know are on different branches, and broadcast them in a controlled way, the last part sounds like it'd be the hardest [17:06]
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mircea_popescu ok, here goes : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ [17:26]
mircea_popescu and now for my spamlist! [17:26]
B0g4r7 b0n1 bgupta BitHub blacktape BTCOxygen burnside bVector [17:26]
Chaaang-Noi cheebydi coingenuity ColdHardMetal copumpkin Cory [17:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform burnside coingenuity davout DBordello Diablo-D3 dub FabianB_ imsaguy jborkl jcpham kakobrekla leotreasure mod6 nanotube pgp rdponticelli smickles_ ThickAsThieves thestrin1puller topace_ and everyone else ^ [17:28]
Chaaang-Noi people are going to say you copied reptillia [17:29]
mircea_popescu only people who weren't there at the 1st one lol [17:29]
Chaaang-Noi that will be most people [17:30]
mircea_popescu indeed. [17:30]
mircea_popescu o ya i guess Ukto idles alot so he might miss it. ^ [17:30]
Chaaang-Noi he is back, jhe was traveling [17:31]
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Chaaang-Noi reptillia was too soon, your thing is ages away :/ [17:31]
mircea_popescu the fiorst edition was actually planned/invites sent in jan/feb. [17:31]
mircea_popescu i plan ahead. [17:31]
kakobrekla this is a year from now [17:32]
kakobrekla almost [17:32]
mircea_popescu yup [17:32]
Chaaang-Noi sure 3 to 6 months is fine, but a year :) people will forget [17:32]
mircea_popescu forget lol [17:32]
davout Chaaang-Noi: looks like a functional brain will be required to attend [17:33]
davout :-) [17:33]
Chaaang-Noi cheebydi coingenuity ColdHardMetal copumpkin Cory [17:33]
Chaaang-Noi nothing wrong with planning this far ahead, just kinda shocked [17:34]
davout it is kinda shocking [17:34]
Chaaang-Noi the VIP title however is lulz [17:34]
Chaaang-Noi i hope reptillia gets one [17:35]
rdponticelli Well, you can't say you weren't prepared... :p [17:35]
Chaaang-Noi what exactly does the vip get other than a bill and a title? [17:38]
Chaaang-Noi do they become a super node? [17:38]
kakobrekla lol [17:38]
mircea_popescu Chaaang-Noi doesn't like to read. [17:39]
Chaaang-Noi i saw little of value gained [17:39]
mircea_popescu give yourself time. [17:39]
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kakobrekla seems like some extra food for the vips [17:42]
mircea_popescu everybody else gets rice and beans [17:42]
kakobrekla rice and soy sauce. [17:42]
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BitHub why no asicminer on mpex? [17:43]
davout mircea_popescu: you mean vips get rice&beans, and the regulars get romanian food ? [17:43]
davout :p [17:43]
Chaaang-Noi AM would never work with mpex [17:43]
BitHub how come? [17:43]
Chaaang-Noi AM will not list on any exchange [17:44]
Chaaang-Noi its not just mpex [17:44]
BitHub yeah i know, but cant they just create an asset like the other PT's? [17:44]
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mircea_popescu BitHub the friedcat guy won't sign contracts basically. [17:44]
Chaaang-Noi yeah, but MP would have to first buy AM stock, and he has been trying to short it since it was at .5 [17:44]
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BitHub ahh okey [17:45]
mircea_popescu why would i have to buy anything ?! [17:45]
Chaaang-Noi you coudl sell counterfiet shares i guess [17:45]
BitHub hehe [17:45]
mircea_popescu i have no idea wtf you're on about nao. [17:45]
Chaaang-Noi trust is an issue with the otehr exchanges, but the real reason is, AM does not need an exchange, AM has all the oney it will ever need and more [17:46]
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BitHub i think peeps would bring shares to mpex [17:46]
Chaaang-Noi mp take some tim MP, you are a smart chap [17:46]
Chaaang-Noi tehy could [17:46]
BitHub but its teh contracts prob with Mr Friedcat [17:47]
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mircea_popescu being listed is not about asicminer's monwey. [17:47]
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mircea_popescu it's about the investors. [17:47]
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Chaaang-Noi friedcat has never contacted MP about listing on mpex, and i doubt MP has asked friedcat to list, but maybe he has, but anyway why the fuck would friedcat list? more risk, nothing gained [17:47]
Chaaang-Noi the investors would be very upset if their shares were moved to mpex, however im sure if you wanted to do a pt no one would care [17:48]
BitHub i think other PT's just did it on their own yeah? or did they have to get permission too? [17:48]
Chaaang-Noi pt are not real shares [17:48]
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Chaaang-Noi no one has to get permission to run a pt cuz they are not really selling AM shares [17:48]
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BitHub okey, you just have to back the PT asset with real shares [17:49]
Chaaang-Noi well you should... [17:49]
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Chaaang-Noi but no, you dont ahve to [17:49]
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BitHub lulz [17:49]
Chaaang-Noi you could do so as a short [17:49]
BitHub man this stuff gets confusing [17:49]
Chaaang-Noi well... [17:49]
Chaaang-Noi its best not to trust pts or exchanges if you dont have to [17:50]
BitHub say 50 mpex users had asicminer shares direct with friedcat, and they wanted to create an assset on mpex with the shares [17:50]
BitHub i mean they could do that right? [17:50]
Chaaang-Noi liek someguy who sold 40,000 share of pirate pts who expected pirate to fail, could ahve just kept the money and paid the 5 or 6 weeks of interest [17:50]
Chaaang-Noi once pirate failed they would ahve made shit loads of btc [17:51]
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Chaaang-Noi you have to read the fine print of the pts to know if they are back by anything [17:51]
BitHub cool, sorry to drag it on, just curious :) [17:52]
Chaaang-Noi that is why this chan is here [17:52]
Chaaang-Noi talking about assets and the like [17:52]
BitHub cool, i love assets :) [17:52]
BitHub are we caught in an asicminer bubble? [17:53]
Chaaang-Noi cheebydi coingenuity ColdHardMetal copumpkin Cory [17:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01512 = 0.3024 BTC [+] [17:54]
Lee- leotreasure Line_ lippoper ll_ Luke-Jr [17:54]
Lee- leotreasure Line_ lippoper ll_ Luke-Jr [17:54]
Chaaang-Noi i think it is under valued [17:55]
FabianB_ mircea_popescu: so Argentinia not before spring 2014 i guess :) [17:55]
Chaaang-Noi they are the only guys in town who can mass produce assics [17:55]
Chaaang-Noi and people are buying them at insane prices [17:55]
BitHub yep [17:56]
BitHub those recent ones sold out in 2 hours [17:56]
mircea_popescu FabianB_ kinda that summer. [17:56]
BitHub at around 50btc each [17:56]
BitHub plus month or two going to insane hashrates yeh? [17:56]
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Chaaang-Noi 120 sold and oly 50 listed :) [17:56]
Chaaang-Noi well, if we control the market we dont care what the hash rate is [17:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01512 = 0.0756 BTC [+] [17:57]
BitHub what's impressed me the most is that unlike bfl and avalon ontop of selling devices they are opening mining as well [17:57]
BitHub openly* [17:57]
BitHub so i guess 3btc a share at some point this year is doable? [17:58]
Chaaang-Noi well, keep in mind they keep paying out weekly dividends, share price is not the goal, total profit for the ipo holders is the goal [18:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.4988 = 4.4964 BTC [-] [18:00]
Chaaang-Noi we might hit 3 btc each i dont know, but dividends paid out plust share price will be pretty awesome [18:00]
mircea_popescu mjr___ here you signup lol [18:00]
BitHub ipo holders = shares direct with friedcat? [18:01]
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Chaaang-Noi well at this point all stock holders [18:01]
Chaaang-Noi but the goal is not stock prices, its total btc in the pocket of the investors or stock holders [18:01]
BitHub that is a good goal :) [18:01]
FabianB_ ;;bc,convert eur [18:05]
gribble 1 BTC = 116.00000 U.S. dollars = 89.3544908 Euros [18:05]
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BitHub all is well in bitfunder land https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg2111032#msg2111032 [18:35]
mircea_popescu got islanded huh [18:36]
ThickAsThieves regarding AM PTs, [18:36]
ThickAsThieves I will actually be the first to make it easy for anyone to check how many shares I hold at any time [18:36]
Chaaang-Noi oh mp, trolling your girl is too easy [18:37]
ThickAsThieves after this current large deal closes, I'll share all my holding of whole-share PT shares, as well as shares with Friedcat [18:37]
ThickAsThieves if anyone needs proof of PT shares I can do that any time [18:37]
ThickAsThieves just waiting for Friedcat on the otc share proof [18:38]
BitHub cool tat [18:38]
Chaaang-Noi TAT i was not attacking you, i was just saying it could be done [18:38]
ThickAsThieves oh i know [18:38]
Chaaang-Noi any might have been done before, with something like pirate [18:38]
ThickAsThieves i planned to announce this on all forums this weekend [18:39]
ThickAsThieves you just incited me to preview my intentions [18:39]
ThickAsThieves :) [18:39]
Chaaang-Noi :) [18:39]
BitHub kind of like a google doc or something? [18:39]
ThickAsThieves nope [18:39]
Chaaang-Noi just think about someone doing that with pirate.. would ahve made millions of fiat, [18:39]
ThickAsThieves I'll share my wallet address that is registered with Friedcat [18:40]
ThickAsThieves and sign a message from it [18:40]
Chaaang-Noi anyway, im off, peace all [18:40]
ThickAsThieves and then share my public link in BTCT to show any PT shares I hold [18:40]
BitHub peace, thanks for the tips [18:40]
ThickAsThieves the wallet address will also be the same address registered in the Bitfunder Asset list [18:40]
ThickAsThieves so you'll be able to see ant G.assicminer shares I hold there as well [18:40]
BitHub hehe does anyone ever ask about your name? [18:41]
ThickAsThieves no [18:41]
ThickAsThieves I wouldnt have a problem with it, if bitcoiners werent also nutters [18:41]
BitHub it kind of throws me off [18:41]
ThickAsThieves I think my identity only being need-to-know is better for shareholders too [18:42]
ThickAsThieves prevents social engineering, personal security issues, etc [18:42]
ThickAsThieves I'll also be issuing a security report for the TAT assets [18:43]
ThickAsThieves confirming 2fa on all accounts, dead man switch in place, etc [18:43]
BitHub cynide cap in tooth? :P [18:43]
ThickAsThieves i do need to have some wisdom removed... [18:43]
BitHub cyanide [18:43]
ThickAsThieves teeth* [18:44]
ThickAsThieves i need all the wisdom i can get [18:44]
BitHub i know what you're saying, just giving you some feedback, seeing the word thieves doesn't fill me with confidence :) [18:44]
ThickAsThieves I understand, and people bring that up less than I expected [18:45]
BitHub if your name was cryptobond or something, i would feel alot better [18:46]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:46]
ThickAsThieves well if it helps, [18:46]
ThickAsThieves the name is a reference to a cliche [18:46]
ThickAsThieves from the movie The Shawshank Redemption [18:47]
BitHub oh god [18:47]
BitHub not that movie :P [18:47]
ThickAsThieves It means "Cliché: very close-knit; friendly; allied. " [18:47]
BitHub couldn't reference a sergion leone? :) [18:47]
BitHub sergio [18:47]
ThickAsThieves loyal [18:47]
BitHub are you going to do another asset soon? [18:48]
BitHub or just am for now [18:48]
ThickAsThieves i have some things brewing [18:49]
ThickAsThieves but nothing immediate [18:49]
ThickAsThieves right now I'm focusing on the AM PTs pretty hard [18:49]
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ThickAsThieves and there are plans within that [18:50]
ThickAsThieves releasing on Havelock was the first thing I had to get out of the way [18:50]
ThickAsThieves it's the first PT on Havelock not run be the owner [18:50]
ThickAsThieves by* [18:50]
ThickAsThieves next is promoting the proof of share ownership and security [18:51]
ThickAsThieves then I'm considering some other moves for the asset [18:51]
ThickAsThieves I will not be putting it on litecoinglobal, though it was considered [18:52]
ThickAsThieves the work involved was simply not worth it with the volume [18:52]
jurov how about arb/share transfer? [18:52]
BitHub oh cool thats you on havelock [18:52]
ThickAsThieves jurov, that is under consideration [18:53]
mircea_popescu it's the first PT on Havelock not run be the owner << wow didn't realise that. [18:53]
BitHub share arb and transfer is something intrested in doing [18:53]
ThickAsThieves my main concern with allowing share transfer is the work [18:54]
ThickAsThieves but i'm also not sure if it's worth it yet [18:54]
jurov btw mircea_popescu, thx for the heads-up aout the conference [18:54]
BitHub hehe is mircea going? [18:54]
jurov hehe, like, we come into timisoara and he won't be there? [18:54]
ThickAsThieves each of the exchanges has different requirements for what I'm allowed to do, so currently my AM PT is the lowest common denominator of those requirements [18:55]
BitHub be kind of awkward mircea bringing the only girls there? [18:55]
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mircea_popescu jurov ye [18:56]
jurov no, awkward was that few of us had own girls to bring with [18:56]
jurov or guys [18:56]
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BitHub for reals? [18:56]
ThickAsThieves It seems like a trip taht would be better without the wife... [18:56]
ThickAsThieves but unlikely I could go without her [18:56]
jurov dunno, m0mso's wife and sister seemed to enjoy it [18:57]
ThickAsThieves also seems like possibly very vegan-unfriendly event [18:57]
ThickAsThieves don't mind other people eating mind per se [18:58]
BitHub a bbq would be pretty good [18:58]
ThickAsThieves just not sure if Romanians will be like "vegan? gtfo!" [18:58]
ThickAsThieves vampires might not even want my blood [18:58]
jurov lol i guess they already met someone such in 4* hotel and can accomodate [18:59]
BitHub sprinkle some rust on it [18:59]
ThickAsThieves theyll slap me around with horse/eel sausage [18:59]
jurov oh, what's with your blood? [19:00]
ThickAsThieves it has no meat-eater nutrients [19:00]
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ThickAsThieves i imagine romanian vampires to be quite discerning [19:01]
jurov maybe there are some vegan vampires that prefer grass-fed cattle [19:01]
jurov organic [19:01]
ThickAsThieves free range [19:01]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:01]
davout like some sort of hipster vampire [19:01]
mircea_popescu BitHub i didn't bring the onl;y girls there tho [19:04]
mircea_popescu just not sure if Romanians will be like "vegan? gtfo!" << naw not rly. [19:05]
mircea_popescu the argentines i hear take away your passport tho. [19:05]
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ThickAsThieves i like argentinian wine best [19:07]
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mircea_popescu i think you might change your mind after trying the local stuff. [19:09]
kakobrekla wences had something to do with the move? :) [19:09]
jurov i had a vegan guy once... smelled like vegetables, it was actually tasty [19:09]
ThickAsThieves i dont drink wine much, but the wife does, I like the dry aspect of malbecs [19:10]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla nah, was eyeing south america for a while. [19:12]
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mircea_popescu i guess i'm going to give away local wine again, it was a hit. [19:14]
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kakobrekla hm [19:20]
kakobrekla well argentina is big, its not so hard to find a suitable location i guess [19:21]
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ThickAsThieves just read the wiki on the Romanian Revolution, pretty cool [19:33]
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jurov ;;ticker [19:47]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.39998, Best ask: 116.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 116.39999, 24 hour volume: 28858.01633496, 24 hour low: 114.00000, 24 hour high: 119.59998, 24 hour vwap: 116.89644 [19:47]
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KRS-1 lol Zzzzzzzz [20:09]
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mircea_popescu http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/05/the-washington-super-whale-hedge-fundies-the-federal-reserve-and-bernanke-hatred.html [20:20]
mircea_popescu this is pretty good. [20:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: "the bezzle." [20:25]
mircea_popescu what about it ? [20:26]
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mircea_popescu a a. yes. [20:26]
mircea_popescu exacrtly. [20:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just the fact that the fake money will eventually circulate. and the consequences, etc. [20:26]
mircea_popescu yup [20:27]
jurov well, where's the fake money now and how can we see when it starts being spent? [20:31]
jurov now it's just moved back and forth between banks and reserve? [20:31]
asciilifeform jurov: when the U.S. dollar price of your lunch equals today's price of a used car. [20:32]
jurov obv but that's a consequence, not a cause [20:32]
asciilifeform jurov: yes, but that's the barometer to watch. [20:32]
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jurov i was thinking that maybe there's some thing to watch for *before* hyperinflation kicks in [20:33]
jurov or are you saying it's past already? [20:34]
asciilifeform I predict that American hyperinflation will lead to counter-intuitively slow rises in the price of gold and BTC. From the fact that large gold/BTC holders stuck in America will be selling off their stashes to buy basic necessities. [20:34]
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mircea_popescu yeah, jurov : you can watch the stock exchange. [20:34]
mircea_popescu the fact that the indexes are up is proof. [20:34]
mircea_popescu the us economy was never this weak. not in 1950, not in 1939, never. [20:35]
mircea_popescu well... yeah, maybe in 1820 or something. [20:36]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 1820: agrarian America, most people did not depend on a working economy as such for physical survival. no comparison. [20:38]
jurov so all the fake money is circulating in stocks and forex atm? [20:38]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why i didn't consider it originally. but on a purely semantic basis it has to be pointed out. [20:38]
mircea_popescu jurov pretty much. mostly us stocks. [20:38]
asciilifeform when considering the purpose of the fake money printing, I can think of two distinct goals: (1) keep the spreadsheets from failing checksum (prop up the charade of an American "economy") and (2) keep the hookers, cocaine, jets, etc. flowing to the "nobility" despite their total economic/social irrelevance. [20:40]
mircea_popescu neither of these is the point. [20:41]
asciilifeform So I won't be surprised when at some point the charade ends and the tinted window fellows will be handed actual titles of nobility. [20:41]
mircea_popescu the fed simply makes money on the bonds they buy. [20:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, but ultimately why. [20:41]
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mircea_popescu because the system is broken. [20:42]
mircea_popescu understand, cancerous cells aren't there conspiring to fuck up the body. [20:42]
mircea_popescu they are there working dilligently at a bad definition of what the job is. [20:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, they're just hungry and stupid. [20:42]
mircea_popescu and as a result fucking up the body. [20:42]
mircea_popescu exactly. the fed is hungry and stupid. it goes "so we make 2% on 10trn which is 200bn and if we print another 10trn we make 400 bn instead ? go for it!" [20:43]
mircea_popescu "what'as the worst that can happen, inflation ? that measn the economy has resuscitated, win" [20:43]
jurov I predict .... counter-intuitively slow rises in the price of gold <<< i think that is only possible if fed somehow proves the gold is there [20:43]
asciilifeform what I suspect is that at some point there will be a shift to a rather different, more Latin American social order, where the nobles are simply given bank cards with $ PosInfinity balance [20:44]
mircea_popescu jurov he obviously means the fake gold nobody wants anymore. [20:44]
asciilifeform and dispense with the elaborate spreadsheet charade. [20:44]
mircea_popescu this is already the case. [20:44]
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asciilifeform but, at the moment, there is still an effort to keep up the pretense that there is an actual economy, where physical goods are produced, bought and sold at a profit, plebes are paid salaries from a fraction of the proceeds, etc. [20:46]
asciilifeform the next step is the slow outright Sovietization [20:47]
asciilifeform the permanently-unemployed say hello to the kolkhoz, and so on [20:47]
mircea_popescu "An analysis of Iksil's trades revealed that he was using Microsoft Excel excessively, making a number of formula errors that caused him to underestimate the risks of his positions." [20:47]
mircea_popescu this is pretty grand. [20:47]
jurov how can anything major happen slowly in current situation? [20:48]
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mircea_popescu jurov practically speaking, because the world is mostly made out of Chaaang-Nois. [20:48]
asciilifeform jurov: inertia. [20:48]
mircea_popescu there's never a shortage of people who, if forced to eat shit by the spoon, would rather claim this savarine is wonderful [20:48]
mircea_popescu than admit they're eating shit. [20:49]
mircea_popescu in fact, there's rarely not a majority available. [20:49]
mircea_popescu this is how force works, fundamentally. [20:49]
asciilifeform with the little twist that ultimately if you eat shit instead of food long enough, you die. [20:49]
mircea_popescu niot really. [20:50]
mircea_popescu if it's poorly digested stuff coming out of some obese overlord you can live forever on the kernels. [20:50]
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asciilifeform jurov: re: gold: eventually the physical metals market will decouple from the idiot paper-metal chump harvester. That's when the confiscation gasenwagen revvs up. [20:51]
jurov i don't contend that, only that the govts don't have so complete control than in 20th century and it's maybe easier to cause panic [20:51]
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asciilifeform and not the wimpy FDR confiscation. the Soviet one. where possession of bullion carried the same penalty as murder. [20:52]
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asciilifeform "economic terrorism." [20:52]
asciilifeform see: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html [20:52]
jurov okay, such thing will certainly not come slowly [20:52]
asciilifeform jurov: slowly enough. the first step will be punitive taxation of metals (see the imminent U.S. national sales tax as a base to work from.) [20:53]
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jurov that will potentially cause masses of americans start using internet black market [20:55]
jurov will be interesting whether the surveillance infrastructure will be efficient enough to prevent [20:55]
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asciilifeform jurov: that's when the "Bitcoin as NSA honeypot" hypothesis will be tested until red-hot. [20:56]
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asciilifeform but the fun might end rather abruptly (at least in the U.S.) when the rolling blackouts begin. [20:56]
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asciilifeform think: lead (and, naturally brass) "bullion" instead of gold and silver. "The lead standard." [20:58]
jurov rolling blackouts? then any forecasts are off, almost all usual econ activity will cease [20:59]
asciilifeform jurov: the paper economy, yes. but people will still want to live, and will try. [20:59]
asciilifeform jurov: ask MP about his gold bus. [20:59]
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mircea_popescu jurov: that's when the "Bitcoin as NSA honeypot" hypothesis will be tested until red-hot. <<< ehehe. [21:02]
mircea_popescu you know this is pretty cool, a few people already stated they're coming next year. [21:04]
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ThickerThanThiev WTB ASICMINER shares in bulk for a good price, pm with offer [21:39]
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ThickAsThieves wrong nick [21:40]
ThickAsThieves WTB ASICMINER shares in bulk for a good price, pm with offer [21:40]
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Diablo-D3 ThickAsThieves: you do realize you can just /nick nick right? [21:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2992 = 0.5984 BTC [-] [21:42]
ThickAsThieves yeah [21:43]
ThickAsThieves this was faster [21:43]
ThickAsThieves typing is so hard [21:43]
jurov wanna get thicker? [21:44]
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ThickAsThieves really i just didnt think about it, and mIRC has a nifty connect/disconnect button [21:44]
ThickAsThieves all my channels are saved [21:44]
ThickAsThieves etc [21:44]
ThickAsThieves thicker? [21:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2491 @ 0.00067833 = 1.6897 BTC [-] [21:49]
ThickAsThieves ah [21:49]
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ThickAsThieves i have no answer [21:50]
ThickAsThieves more loyal than loyal? [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 145 @ 0.01499 = 2.1736 BTC [-] [21:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 91 @ 0.014995 = 1.3645 BTC [+] [21:52]
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jurov i know. no homo. [21:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 259 @ 0.014995 = 3.8837 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 91 @ 0.01512 = 1.3759 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01514 = 2.271 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 290 @ 0.01514999 = 4.3935 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 110 @ 0.01515 = 1.6665 BTC [+] [21:53]
ThickAsThieves nice [21:53]
jurov very. how much you made on them? 20% [21:53]
jurov ? [21:53]
ThickAsThieves those werent all me [21:55]
ThickAsThieves but calculating my profit [21:55]
ThickAsThieves is tough [21:55]
ThickAsThieves as I have been reinvesting all earnings [21:55]
ThickAsThieves to buy more shares [21:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.49998 = 3 BTC [+] [21:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 143 @ 0.015145 = 2.1657 BTC [-] [21:56]
ThickAsThieves i can say i have yet to sell a share for less than 10% profit [21:56]
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ThickAsThieves i bought before the recent rally [21:56]
ThickAsThieves and sold the whole way [21:57]
ThickAsThieves I'd like to get to 5000 shares ASAP [21:57]
ThickAsThieves for a board seat [21:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.015145 = 0.318 BTC [-] [21:58]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.003444 = 0.0861 BTC [+] [22:01]
benkay any ideas on pgp libraries for java? [22:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.30000009 BTC [+] [22:03]
benkay i just want to (encrypt key message) [22:03]
benkay waaah [22:03]
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jurov ;;bc,stats [22:06]
gribble Current Blocks: 235696 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 175 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11107467.1478 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.23367 [22:07]
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jurov benkay, execute pgp externally? [22:08]
benkay as in shell out to? [22:08]
benkay i'd rather not. [22:09]
jurov yes. most libraries do tht anyway [22:09]
benkay but i may do that anyways. [22:09]
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mircea_popescu benkay in case you missed it earlier [22:09]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.303172 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.303171 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.30317 BTC [-] [22:10]
FabianB_ benkay: bouncy castle [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.302872 = 1.5144 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.49998 = 3 BTC [+] [22:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0006737 = 8.4549 BTC [-] [22:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-] [22:17]
jurov reptilia does not disappoint: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2103754#msg2103754 [22:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18607 BTC [-] [22:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.186 BTC [-] [22:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1855 = 0.371 BTC [-] [22:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 6 @ 0.1832 = 1.0992 BTC [-] [22:18]
jurov he was here before beginning of time [22:18]
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jurov and had exposure before buying any [22:19]
mircea_popescu well, i like that at least he's claiming to have been following the girl's guidelines. [22:19]
ThickAsThieves he's a reptile after all [22:19]
ThickAsThieves maybe a dinosaur? [22:20]
FabianB_ benkay: found http://www.bouncycastle.org/? [22:20]
benkay oh yah [22:20]
[\] mircea_popescu: which hotel? [22:20]
benkay thanks for responding btw [22:20]
mircea_popescu he was expecting everyone to buiy it up to 100k per btc by xcmas a few weeks ago [22:20]
[\] I ain't going if I don't like the digs [22:20]
FabianB_ np [22:20]
mircea_popescu now he's expecting buy action in 2015 ? [22:20]
mircea_popescu [\] depends how many people show up. was nh last time. [22:20]
[\] is the girl going? [22:20]
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[\] I want her to shake my... hand. [22:21]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr is in the pix lol [22:21]
[\] just because she want to the last doesn't mean she's going to the next [22:21]
jurov [\]: she may if you succeed to unchain it [22:21]
[\] jesus, basic logic mircea_popescu [22:21]
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mircea_popescu well doh, past performance,f uture performance [22:22]
mircea_popescu basic finance. [22:22]
[\] jurov: to which it does 'it' refer? [22:22]
[\] my hand or her shaker? [22:22]
jurov omg what a freudian slip.. i meant: [22:22]
jurov she may if you succeed to unchain her [22:22]
mircea_popescu freudiin slap. [22:23]
[\] freud was a fraud [22:23]
[\] everyone spells the name wrong [22:23]
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[\] so I pay the fee and the only issue is my transportation? [22:24]
jurov yes. and few drinks [22:24]
mircea_popescu sometyhing like that. [22:24]
[\] You will be expected to behave courteously towards the other VIPs, which specifically includes not trying to sell them. [22:25]
[\] so if I don't VIP, I can trash the VIPs? [22:25]
[\] I think I'll just 'register' [22:25]
jurov oh that catched my attention too... did that actually happened last time? [22:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1078 BTC [+] [22:26]
jurov i didn't notice [22:26]
[\] catched->caught [22:26]
mircea_popescu jurov not afaik [22:26]
asciilifeform so, GPG challenge/response at the gates? [22:27]
jurov [\]: i guess VIPs will have bouncers at disposal for such cases as you [22:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform possibly. [22:28]
[\] jurov: oh be nice [22:28]
jurov hahaha yea we need protection against impostors, too.. but last time pgp challenge/response was done by email [22:28]
[\] all flights take me through germany [22:28]
[\] I don't know if I can handle that [22:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4811 BTC [-] [22:29]
jurov [\]: try to go to budapest, we can make road trip then [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.481 = 8.886 BTC [-] [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4801 BTC [-] [22:29]
[\] like I want to road trip with you [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-] [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475178 BTC [-] [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.475 = 11.8 BTC [-] [22:29]
[\] have you seen what happens when you get into a car with strangers? [22:29]
jurov so we should know each other more bby then. [22:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.475 = 7.375 BTC [-] [22:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.47252 = 2.945 BTC [-] [22:30]
[\] perhaps you aren't my type? [22:30]
jurov we 'll manage these 4 hours somehow [22:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4725 BTC [-] [22:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.47 BTC [-] [22:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [-] [22:32]
jurov oh google maps actually says three hours only [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4625 BTC [-] [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.460475 BTC [-] [22:32]
ThickAsThieves push that price down! [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.460474 BTC [-] [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.460356 BTC [-] [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.46026 = 20.4436 BTC [-] [22:32]
[\] so what price do we think AM is going to top out at? [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.46025 = 10.2218 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.46 = 14.6 BTC [-] [22:33]
ThickAsThieves hard to say [22:33]
ThickAsThieves next dividend is gonna be big [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.459 = 5.836 BTC [-] [22:34]
BitHub about now [22:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.456 BTC [-] [22:35]
[\] ThickAsThieves, why's that? [22:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45513 BTC [-] [22:35]
benkay jurov, i'll ride in with you [22:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [-] [22:35]
ThickAsThieves because they sold 50 blades at 50btc last night [22:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 115 @ 0.015 = 1.725 BTC [-] [22:36]
ThickAsThieves and at current hashrate the div payout will be more than .015/share [22:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [-] [22:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4502 BTC [-] [22:36]
jurov mircea_popescu: actually, it won't be bad idea to say on invitation "you can search connection to budapest, there will be a shuttle at XX:00 hour" [22:36]
ThickAsThieves so .02 is quite possible [22:36]
[\] diffchange is right around the corner [22:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.450125 BTC [-] [22:37]
jurov benkay ok, let me know in january :) [22:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.45 = 8.7 BTC [-] [22:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-] [22:38]
ThickAsThieves .02 is like 70% APR [22:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0149 = 0.0596 BTC [+] [22:38]
ThickAsThieves at share price of 1.5 [22:38]
[\] .02 won't hold [22:39]
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ThickAsThieves maybe not [22:39]
[\] every 12 days, they'd have to deploy more than what diff is going up [22:39]
ThickAsThieves but certainly will drive up price [22:39]
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[\] and the more they deploy, the more they have to deploy later to keep up [22:40]
[\] there are diminishing returns [22:40]
ThickAsThieves yep [22:40]
[\] and at some point, the others will ship [22:40]
ThickAsThieves but they arent dumb either [22:40]
[\] which only makes things more difficult [22:40]
[\] I never said they were dumb [22:41]
ThickAsThieves i never said you did ;) [22:41]
[\] but there are limits to the tech [22:41]
[\] at some point, they'll hit moore's just like the rest of the industry [22:41]
ThickAsThieves maybe they have new tech planned [22:41]
[\] I look forward to that day [22:41]
ThickAsThieves new products to sell [22:41]
mircea_popescu jurov so make a comment on the article [22:41]
ThickAsThieves other types of deals [22:41]
[\] selling products hurts their generation side [22:41]
ThickAsThieves maybe the branch out [22:42]
[\] so that has limits :p [22:42]
ThickAsThieves they sell products right at about the price where they cant achive ROI [22:42]
ThickAsThieves achieve [22:42]
[\] sorta like bfl [22:42]
mircea_popescu indeed. [22:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.182004 BTC [-] [22:42]
[\] only bfl's gone way past ROI [22:42]
[\] if you bought in June/July, you'll never get your original coin qty back [22:42]
ThickAsThieves criminal [22:43]
[\] well, part of that was risk [22:43]
[\] you can't place it all on bfl [22:43]
[\] but the outright lies you can [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2992 = 0.5984 BTC [-] [22:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2991 = 0.5982 BTC [-] [22:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 38 @ 0.1078 = 4.0964 BTC [+] [22:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.1079 = 5.395 BTC [+] [22:45]
[\] is bfl still processing refunds for people? [22:45]
ThickAsThieves dunno [22:45]
BitHub um [22:46]
ThickAsThieves i know they refunded me in Feb [22:46]
BitHub aren't they still marketing for people to take preorders with them? [22:46]
BitHub i swear once a weeks there' a new trick to preorder with bfl [22:46]
[\] the newest preorders say no refunds [22:46]
[\] all sales final [22:46]
[\] I was curious about the presales from last year [22:47]
ThickAsThieves BitHub, didnt you have some insider info about secret BFL machines? Spill it! [22:47]
BitHub about one yeah [22:47]
BitHub and after seeing what's going on i'm not suprised if its true [22:47]
BitHub but if i was to go on their website and order one now, when will i get it? [22:48]
BitHub christmas? [22:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.107999 = 1.08 BTC [+] [22:49]
mircea_popescu in two weeks. [22:49]
mircea_popescu tops. [22:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1089 = 0.2178 BTC [+] [22:49]
BitHub serious? [22:50]
BitHub hehe dont joke [22:50]
BitHub btw, what do yo guys make of this asset, im very curious, very different [22:50]
BitHub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200701.0 [22:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 148 @ 0.1089 = 16.1172 BTC [+] [22:51]
ThickAsThieves I'd love to be wrong [22:51]
ThickAsThieves but [22:51]
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ThickAsThieves if it ain't a scam [22:52]
ThickAsThieves it's a delusion [22:52]
BitHub lulz [22:52]
BitHub i'm thinking to go there for a week and check it out [22:52]
BitHub really investigate it [22:52]
ThickAsThieves good idea, [22:52]
ThickAsThieves then they'll buy you off [22:52]
ThickAsThieves to lie to everyone [22:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] [22:52]
ThickAsThieves you'll make some good $ [22:52]
BitHub we'll see [22:53]
ThickAsThieves assuming it's legit [22:53]
ThickAsThieves how are bitcoiners remotely qualified to invest in it [22:53]
BitHub i wont be investing myself if its not legit [22:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 214 @ 0.109 = 23.326 BTC [+] [22:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.109 = 1.09 BTC [+] [22:53]
BitHub potentially this could be worth way more than asicminer in my opinion [22:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] [22:54]
benkay holy shit [22:54]
benkay never invest in mining companies [22:55]
benkay ^^ personal opinion [22:55]
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benkay bitcoin mining *may* be different. [22:55]
BitHub to be honest [22:55]
BitHub that was one of the things i was goign to talk to them about [22:55]
BitHub and hook them up with [22:56]
BitHub to do crypto mining at the same time [22:56]
ThickAsThieves BitHub, someone linked this the other day, which you might find useful: http://www.cerm3.mining.ubc.ca/documents/areviewofrecentminingstockscams.pdf [22:56]
BitHub i admit at first and the youtube vid it does seems very scammy [22:56]
ThickAsThieves BitHub, they'd look at you like you are crazy [22:56]
ThickAsThieves and they might be right [22:56]
ThickAsThieves :) [22:56]
BitHub just a lil crazy but there's alot of genius mixed in [22:56]
BitHub but i dont know, i will check this out [22:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2992 BTC [+] [23:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2991 = 0.8973 BTC [-] [23:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01499999 = 0.75 BTC [-] [23:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0149 BTC [+] [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00067001 = 0.0824 BTC [-] [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00067 = 6.7 BTC [-] [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5577 @ 0.00066753 = 3.7228 BTC [-] [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 308 @ 0.00325 = 1.001 BTC [+] [23:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4899 BTC [+] [23:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4919 BTC [+] [23:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.492 BTC [+] [23:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 49 @ 1.492 = 73.108 BTC [+] [23:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.420001 BTC [-] [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 310 @ 0.00312 = 0.9672 BTC [-] [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0031 = 1.24 BTC [-] [23:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49997 BTC [+] [23:22]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.499975 = 20.9997 BTC [+] [23:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0149 = 0.4172 BTC [+] [23:23]
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ThickAsThieves WTB Bulk ASICMINER shares, also interested in a steady supplier if anyone is interested. [23:28]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4925 BTC [-] [23:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495 BTC [+] [23:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49998 BTC [+] [23:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0149 = 0.0447 BTC [+] [23:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01494 = 0.2241 BTC [+] [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6162 @ 0.00066753 = 4.1133 BTC [-] [23:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14416 @ 0.00066691 = 9.6142 BTC [-] [23:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292 @ 0.00066648 = 0.1946 BTC [-] [23:44]
jurov lol http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/terminally_nosy_p5pSzsDkZzWJ2H7SqpFAPO [23:45]
jurov Bloombers spies on Goldman Sachs [23:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43699 @ 0.00067063 = 29.3059 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00068208 = 7.9121 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18819 @ 0.00068917 = 12.9695 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00069081 = 3.7995 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2824 @ 0.00069228 = 1.955 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5922 @ 0.00069321 = 4.1052 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6960 @ 0.00070342 = 4.8958 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4676 @ 0.00070702 = 3.306 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070683 = 3.0542 BTC [-] [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17424 @ 0.00070702 = 12.3191 BTC [+] [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [+] [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00071 = 9.94 BTC [+] [23:49]
benkay time to hack bloomberg [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4255 @ 0.00071 = 3.0211 BTC [+] [23:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 124 @ 0.003 = 0.372 BTC [-] [23:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.003 = 0.021 BTC [-] [23:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 700 @ 0.0029 = 2.03 BTC [-] [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2991 = 0.8973 BTC [-] [23:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2901 BTC [-] [23:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.29 = 1.74 BTC [-] [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0029001 = 2.9001 BTC [-] [23:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51666 @ 0.0029 = 149.8314 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01494 = 0.1494 BTC [+] [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 92 @ 0.01475 = 1.357 BTC [-] [23:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01474 = 0.1179 BTC [-] [23:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.014994 = 0.7497 BTC [+] [23:59]
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