Forum logs for 11 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of the faux 'press' card ? [00:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's issued by a (actual) church publication. What n00b would deny it? [00:11]
* asciilifeform at one point had an entirely genuine card from $censored_media_conglomerate and never found any good 'social engineering' use for it [00:12]
* asciilifeform was not involved in broadcast chumpatronics in any way, even remotely, but ended up having paycheques issued by one such thing by sheer accident [00:13]
BingoBoingo There's always opportunities [00:13]
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asciilifeform where, exactly, does one get in by virtue of having such a thing, that you would wish to go ? [00:14]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In plaintext best to attribute things to the imagination. Various other credentials that legitimate religious organization offers work well for prisons, nursing homes, other institutions.... [00:15]
asciilifeform any idiot can print a card. [00:17]
asciilifeform not wunderwaffen. [00:17]
asciilifeform incidentally, dye-sub card printers are plentiful on 'ebay' and the like. [00:17]
BingoBoingo Sure any idiot can print a card, but special is the third pary that will keep a record of having issued such a card and affording it officialdom. [00:18]
asciilifeform creating such an 'organization' is basic spamatronics-101. [00:19]
asciilifeform using the same 'church' as 100,000 other would-be spamatronicists - fail. [00:19]
asciilifeform incidentally, if you want a mailing address inside an actual, historically-mapped church - it is trivial to arrange. [00:20]
asciilifeform many such properties in u.s. cities are hard up for cash and will rent as much as half the premises to random folks [00:20]
BingoBoingo Of course [00:21]
asciilifeform i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church [00:21]
asciilifeform complete with massive circa-1920s boilers that didn't work [00:21]
BingoBoingo In USia there is a golden middle of Churches, generally for resource use you want an installation which is part of a larger mainline organization which happens to be helmed by a person favorable to yourself. [00:23]
asciilifeform caveat is that the ancient truce whereby usg would not openly fuck with a church - no longer really holds [00:24]
BingoBoingo Anything too new or independent tends to attract investigations for any number of reasons. [00:24]
BingoBoingo One good indicator though is people of the cloth who go for this sort of chumpatron are too be avoided http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg [00:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wX8yLO ) [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00034153 = 9.2906 BTC [-] {2} [00:29]
asciilifeform 'citadel' ? [00:29]
asciilifeform or wtf is that honeypot [00:29]
BingoBoingo Yeah [00:29]
BingoBoingo The prefab end times bunker honeypot [00:29]
asciilifeform lol re: footprint of 'grow room' garden pots [00:30]
asciilifeform vs. bed count [00:30]
asciilifeform one inevitably concludes that it grows only ganja for the occupants [00:31]
BingoBoingo Although in that example with their allocation of floor space I like how they in a historically justified manner unspokenly conceed the "dental Room" to all manner of surgery [00:31]
BingoBoingo lol [00:31]
BingoBoingo 2/3rd the square footage adds shooting range and "quarantine" room http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg [00:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeNKeA ) [00:33]
mircea_popescu cazalla oh lol. [00:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mega-idiocy [00:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It really is. [00:35]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yes, actually! [00:35]
mircea_popescu !s stoya [00:35]
assbot 32 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya [00:35]
mircea_popescu hey, tell her i'm a fan, see if she'll do http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ [00:35]
assbot I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVtLn ) [00:35]
mircea_popescu she can have dbl bitcents because she's famous. [00:35]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Especially lulzy since the already built nike garages go for ~$75k where one would need only hang drywall [00:37]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want. [00:37]
mircea_popescu dude got some pretty slick moves with da ladies i'll tell you that. [00:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have no idea who the chumpatronicists in question are, or what they charge, but the drawings show that none of it has any relation to physical reality [00:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You've watch computer engineering long enough to know reality doesn't sell. Charging+Input port sells. Reflective screens sell. Actual reality doesn't sell. [00:39]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there's ordinary chumpatronics, where someone at least showed a bit of effort, and there's utter rubbish that falls apart after thinking about it for ten seconds if you've half a clue [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49043 @ 0.00034462 = 16.9012 BTC [+] {3} [00:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've actually though that kindest thing to do for customers in this market would be standard grain silo pointing down (jsut like missile silo) full of rye. At least can trip balls or have mash to distil before doom [00:42]
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asciilifeform the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. [00:43]
BingoBoingo Then again the last really big LSD production bust in the US if I recall correctly was an Atlas-F silo used pretty much this way [00:43]
asciilifeform (taken as an approximate thing) [00:43]
BingoBoingo the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << Yeah, seems at least as much as cost of escape. [00:43]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [00:44]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo speaking of which, have passport yet ? [00:44]
Vexual ive got a nice new inkjet [00:44]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm still on the wade through mud plan. [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20633 @ 0.00032916 = 6.7916 BTC [-] [00:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you start now, could make it to next year's. [00:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien [00:46]
asciilifeform sail might be faster. [00:46]
BingoBoingo It would, but requires sinking more costs on expendables. Considering indirect air travel. [00:48]
Vexual arent u on a river? [00:48]
mircea_popescu the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << if you think about it, this is necessarily so. [00:49]
asciilifeform necessarily? [00:50]
BingoBoingo Vexual: A river is near. One navigable by small craft... Maybe... [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00031464 = 18.4222 BTC [-] {3} [00:51]
mircea_popescu well yes. prices are not unlike communicating vessels. [00:51]
mircea_popescu substantially the same thing wil lcost substyantially the same in a free market. and this is one. [00:51]
asciilifeform i get that it's a price signal [00:51]
asciilifeform but sorta failing to grasp precisely which. [00:52]
asciilifeform death bunker is not substantially the same thing as escape [00:52]
asciilifeform except in the 'fuck you i'm a dragon' (tm) sense, i suppose [00:52]
mircea_popescu right. [00:53]
mircea_popescu "solution to problem X" [00:53]
BingoBoingo Does anything else matter? [00:53]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [00:53]
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* asciilifeform invites aficionados of the subject to study what bunkers that were built by folks who weren't strangers to arithmetic looked like, what was inside, how long expected to function, under what kind of pushback, etc. [00:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00030937 = 8.1519 BTC [-] {3} [00:56]
asciilifeform my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc. [00:57]
asciilifeform instead of taking twenty seconds to find well-documented fortifications built in recent history, as many photos, drawings as could ever wish [00:58]
* BingoBoingo imagines better layout than popular belief one is modest wood frame farmhouse with "bunker" portion used as underground farm/garage [00:58]
asciilifeform the concept of clandestine 'farm' with electric lights is a sufficiently familiar one that folks ought to be able to take a napkin calculation and say [00:59]
asciilifeform what kind of energy is required, for how much biomass [00:59]
asciilifeform and how much, e.g., diesel this translates into [00:59]
asciilifeform and what the mtbf of your turbine is [01:00]
asciilifeform and how much exhaust [01:00]
BingoBoingo Granted this is all easier if you conceed to having an RTG or twenty somewhere on the property. [01:00]
asciilifeform a large rtg is about 1kW. [01:01]
asciilifeform sell the Pu, buy a cuba. [01:01]
asciilifeform from just one. [01:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Most of Iowa is set upon a radio material goldmine, atm it is ust more economical to get food from the topsoil [01:02]
Vexual if you're digging deep, why not go to the hot rocks and steam power? [01:03]
Vexual then you can recycle water [01:04]
asciilifeform Vexual: unless you're in particularly favourable geography (e.g. iceland) - the cost is roughly equal to orbit [01:04]
asciilifeform at any rate, basic formula that ought to put things in picture: take the mtbf of each life-critical piece of mechanism in your bunker [01:05]
asciilifeform find the smallest number [01:05]
asciilifeform this is now your life expectancy. [01:05]
asciilifeform (or rather, upper bound thereof) [01:05]
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BingoBoingo Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/ [01:08]
assbot In Partial Defense of the Seahawks’ Play Calling ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrOR2h ) [01:08]
BingoBoingo If you have a chance to resolve your deficit swiftly versus waiting for a problem to happen, doing the former offers leverage while doing the latter lets fucking New England win the superbowl. [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24052 @ 0.00032067 = 7.7128 BTC [+] [01:12]
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BingoBoingo !up Vexual [01:17]
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Vexual well considering shafts and orbits, cruising in a sub is possibly the best of both worlds if money isn't an option [01:24]
Vexual just don't buy an aussie one, loud and slow [01:26]
Vexual youll want slow and low, with fast as an option [01:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83998 @ 0.00031216 = 26.2208 BTC [-] {2} [01:32]
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cazalla http://dpaste.com/37G7E5D [01:33]
assbot dpaste: 37G7E5D ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsdAj7 ) [01:33]
cazalla ah wrong window [01:33]
Vexual are you doxxing somes or does qntra do fantail wrappers now? coz i think i know this [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030739 = 5.656 BTC [-] [01:37]
cazalla Vexual, attempting to dox mysterious winner of usms auction or at least someone connected to it [01:38]
Vexual sounds like some good investigative journalism, when did they get the money to afford such a bid tho? [01:39]
cazalla perhaps this person simply handle the coins on behalf of another and did not buy himself, i dunno, wild goose chase tbh [01:40]
Vexual yes, or its not in chronological order [01:41]
Vexual his dead uncle perhaps? [01:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00030585 = 12.8763 BTC [-] {2} [01:49]
Vexual why not call the sherrif, stephen colbert wallpaer is either a derranged fag or a troll [01:56]
Vexual youll need a secretarty that sounds like shes ovulating, and a jeb bush voice [01:59]
Vexual its not funny really, the coins were stolen under duress, but you know [02:02]
Vexual thats the nature of theft [02:04]
cazalla OK, i know who the supposed winner of the 27k is [02:04]
Vexual dang that was quick [02:05]
cazalla couple of hours [02:05]
Vexual is it a scoop? [02:05]
BingoBoingo Not sure. [02:06]
Vexual print it! [02:06]
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mircea_popescu and in cruise news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/af28fd470c15c3d37e51b16f5faf86a3/tumblr_n9ywquMmEX1sonex9o1_1280.jpg [02:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauuTi ) [02:20]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Situation in this case is being handled politely [02:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Is that Kimbo Slice? [02:21]
mircea_popescu kimdo dought it. [02:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the entire "shitgnome doesn't give up", you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#footnote_1_46308 ? [02:23]
assbot Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauKBX ) [02:23]
mircea_popescu it's really innate nationalistic behaviour, i suspek [02:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> (or rather, upper bound thereof) << your house doesn't collapse the moment a tile hanger in the bathroom falls off, but still, [03:13]
mircea_popescu a reasonable engineering approach [03:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Been a while since you've seen an American built house... [03:14]
mircea_popescu a decade or so. [03:14]
mircea_popescu sounds like some good investigative journalism << very much this cazalla [03:14]
BingoBoingo Near the end of the last boom, they were building them to about the lifespan of American cars. [03:15]
BingoBoingo cazalla's been doing fucking work. [03:15]
mircea_popescu !paycoin [03:16]
mircea_popescu !s paycoin [03:16]
assbot 35 results for 'paycoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paycoin [03:16]
BingoBoingo Deedbot newest version is deedbot.org? docs? [03:26]
cazalla BingoBoingo, knew i was onto something :) [03:26]
mircea_popescu http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/ btw, re the linus thing [03:42]
assbot kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAEgM ) [03:42]
cazalla deedbot-, add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt [03:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAIgP ) [03:42]
cazalla is that right or just no confirmation unless included in block? [03:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23967 @ 0.00031366 = 7.5175 BTC [+] {2} [03:43]
mircea_popescu deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt [03:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAVjX ) [03:43]
mircea_popescu trinque was going to fix the bizarro counterintuitive interface last we went through this [03:43]
cazalla well, in its absence, i have 2 people who are aware what that hash represents so it should work for a time stamp eh? [03:47]
BingoBoingo Fuck, is deedbot just too good of an idea to live [03:47]
BingoBoingo 3bf559b252621b8e34345ce6f54e8f1a310d0b29ec070a2156f4fd0465f8aa50415bbb56e2a5182e41d719d002a5d2084860b0cc73cb47022339817dcfd76b77 [03:48]
mircea_popescu i have nfi [03:48]
BingoBoingo ^ Won't expire like dpaste at the least [03:48]
mircea_popescu right. [03:48]
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BingoBoingo Hello DanTheBitcoinMan [03:53]
BingoBoingo !up diametric [03:53]
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DanTheBitcoinMan Hey, guys over at BitBet keep shitting on my new bet I'm submitting [03:54]
DanTheBitcoinMan Trying to get rich off the XPY cult [03:54]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Which bet? [03:54]
BingoBoingo DanTheBitcoinMan: WHich bet? [03:55]
DanTheBitcoinMan https://bitbet.us/propositions/ , the latest. [03:55]
assbot BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzDVwR ) [03:55]
BingoBoingo DanTheBitcoinMan: BitBet tends to reject bets unlikely to attract betting action [03:56]
DanTheBitcoinMan I see, but I thought it would attract some good betting action. [03:57]
DanTheBitcoinMan So many idiots out there supporting this blatant scam, surely they would bet on it. Kind of like how the BFL Monarch delivery bet went. [03:57]
BingoBoingo DanTheBitcoinMan: I'm not a BitBet mod, but a short on XPY with small stakes looks like Garza looking to rob again [03:57]
mircea_popescu DanTheBitcoinMan the idea is for the proponent of the scamcoin in question to put btc down on it. [03:58]
DanTheBitcoinMan Ah, nevermind I completely didn't think about that. [03:58]
mircea_popescu this worked historically with bfl, stuck them for a decent sum [03:58]
DanTheBitcoinMan Yeah, they'd manipulate and dumb to oblivion to win the bet, last ditch effort if it got big enough [03:58]
DanTheBitcoinMan dumb = dump [03:59]
DanTheBitcoinMan Yeah, the BFL Bet was beautiful. [03:59]
mircea_popescu and more generally, http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ [03:59]
assbot The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzEQNE ) [03:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, the right way to go about it is, challenge garza or w/e is pushing the thing to put some btc down [03:59]
DanTheBitcoinMan Missed that one. The delivery bet needs to be used more often. [04:01]
mircea_popescu indeed. [04:03]
BingoBoingo Anyways the onus is on the deliverer or someone they've built faith in to initiate one of those [04:03]
BingoBoingo Thing is even Josh Zerlan knew where to put money down and Homero doesn't respect that. [04:05]
DanTheBitcoinMan Yeah, really, I'm sure that BFL placing that bet they still ended up convincing some poor souls that they truly were going to deliver [04:06]
DanTheBitcoinMan I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams [04:06]
BingoBoingo DanTheBitcoinMan: And yet in the long run BFl lost so much more. [04:08]
DanTheBitcoinMan So what are everyone's thoughts here about Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided? [04:09]
BingoBoingo DanTheBitcoinMan: Qntra has a good number of pieces on this point [04:10]
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BingoBoingo ;;google site:qntra.net gavin [04:10]
gribble Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork ...: ; Gavin Andresen: "Expect Chaos & Drama" | Qntra.net: ; Flashback: Gavin Andresen | Qntra.net: [04:10]
Vexual thoughtless miners are dissappearing, i think thats one reason bigger blocks wont propogate [04:11]
Vexual when the reward halves next time, fees are more importsnt [04:12]
Vexual also, whens the last time you tried to sync anode? [04:13]
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Vexual the anode is adjacent to important things, so, you know [04:14]
Vexual also dimandoid lasers and shit [04:17]
Vexual all the electrons cant be wrong [04:17]
Vexual its in the design [04:18]
mircea_popescu I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams << this is the crucial point. [04:19]
mircea_popescu DanTheBitcoinMan funny you should ask, because... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048163 [04:19]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 02:03:19; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up. [04:19]
davout ohai$ [04:20]
mircea_popescu hei frenchie [04:21]
Vexual yeah even if you try to unsatoshi, youll get flomabaied [04:22]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btq, qntra for linux : https://lwn.net/ [04:24]
assbot Welcome to LWN.net [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsDjI8 ) [04:24]
mircea_popescu note the almost exact match of thing for thing. [04:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Actually saw that later [04:25]
mircea_popescu and toddf quoite the guy, "For those who don’t want to take the time watching the talk, lwn.net wrote up a great summary of the talk, and that article is here. For those of you without a lwn.net subscription, what are you waiting for? You’ll have to wait two weeks before it comes out from behind the paid section of the website before reading it, sorry." [04:25]
mircea_popescu they don't really understand what they're doing, but they ARE trying. [04:25]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_eCQYK4a2Q [04:26]
BingoBoingo It is a model I wish I would have seen 5-10 years ago [04:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00032316 = 2.246 BTC [+] [04:32]
Vexual guess dan wasn't really looking for everyones thoughts [04:40]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/stuff-i-dont-understand-and-other-likable-parts/ [04:40]
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mircea_popescu eleaks org ? [05:09]
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mircea_popescu lol [05:37]
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nubbins` also [11:28]
nubbins` "genarator room" [11:28]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that shit's evil. [11:28]
nubbins` re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg [11:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfN1K3 ) [11:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the lulziest part there is the "rabbits and fish" thing. i imagine cazalla may have a good laugh. [11:29]
nubbins` nod yeh [11:29]
nubbins` even if those pots indicate /shelves/ of pots... [11:30]
mircea_popescu ESPECIALLY who the fuck came up with the bright idea of making four tiny tanks [11:30]
nubbins` i suspect whoever drew this has never seen, say, a tuna [11:30]
mircea_popescu as large as the motorcycle garage! because this is sensible now. [11:30]
nubbins` i like how there's 4 queen size beds too [11:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://www.madscientistblog.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/penfieldhomunculus.jpg [11:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtVKMu ) [11:31]
nubbins` and ~50 single-person cots [11:31]
mircea_popescu "the man according to the man himself" [11:31]
mircea_popescu because mindshare is realityshare, and how important things are in your stupid head really is how important things actually are. [11:31]
nubbins` "twenty rabbits should be enough for anyone" [11:31]
mircea_popescu hory shit i just saw the scale [11:32]
nubbins` right? [11:32]
mircea_popescu check it out, i can have two bunkers here. [11:32]
nubbins` notu badu [11:32]
mircea_popescu plus half a bunker in the closet. [11:32]
nubbins` i've got about a half bunker here between the house and the backyard [11:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` im with you. never saw tuna, in either the marine or the feminine variant. [11:33]
nubbins` heh [11:33]
nubbins` massive, *massive* things. almost silly to see the full thing next to a canned portion [11:33]
nubbins` like purchasing a thimblefull of elephant meat [11:33]
mircea_popescu japanese ppls regularly buy 1mn dollahs worth of a tuna capture [11:34]
mircea_popescu i never saw a head of cattle worth 1mn [11:34]
nubbins` BingoBoingo:asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien <<< get a boat from panama to turbo, colombia [11:34]
nubbins` NOBODY WALKS THE DARIEN GAP [11:34]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the famous tokyo fish auctions have $2mn+ tunas being sold on the regular [11:35]
nubbins` they had to ban foreigners because too many [11:35]
mircea_popescu leaving aside the insanity of all those bunk beds, space's barely fit for you and one woman's spawn : why the fuck is the quarantine room the most central thing in there ? [11:35]
mircea_popescu shit's got like 4 doors, what is this, the set for alien 8 ? [11:35]
nubbins` because THRETT [11:35]
nubbins` THRETT LEVEL REDD [11:35]
mircea_popescu i wonder if they make women go in there while on their period. [11:36]
mircea_popescu looks like enough for three or four. [11:36]
mircea_popescu ahaha this thing... the more you look the lulzier it gets. so in the office, for no reason whatsoever, they opted to make the door open into one of the seats. when they could just have had the weirdo table arrangement in the other end. [11:38]
mircea_popescu author must be ~13. [11:38]
mircea_popescu laundry room ahahahaha. and where DOES THE WATER GO. [11:40]
mircea_popescu obviously it comes from the supermarket, not worried about that part. [11:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048572 << what is dx.com / [11:42]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 11:36:52; dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages [11:42]
nubbins` that's actually a massage table, treadmill, stationary bike, and a rack of free weights in the laundry room [11:48]
nubbins` because, y'know, people like exercising next to an operating clothes dryer. [11:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla notbad.jpg [11:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins` gotta power the shit somehow... [11:49]
nubbins` also, quarantine room/hallway/elevator/generators/garage is a fully enclosed section with no way in or out [11:49]
nubbins` np 8) [11:50]
nubbins` *mp [11:50]
nubbins` srsly, start in quarantine and make your way to a toilet [11:50]
nubbins` i dare ya [11:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048595 << lawl. [11:50]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 12:58:08; fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon? [11:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why do you want a toilet ? YOURE IN QUARANTINE! [11:51]
nubbins` heh [11:51]
mircea_popescu hold it in. [11:51]
nubbins` the motorcycle ride shook my bowels [11:51]
nubbins` plus the fumes from the garage and generator room are making me ill [11:51]
mircea_popescu fumes are a myth [11:51]
nubbins` indistinguishable from co2 [11:52]
mircea_popescu free vaping [11:52]
thestringpuller nubbins` never sniffed glue to get high [11:52]
nubbins` not even once [11:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, the url is, let me remind and underscore, www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg [11:52]
thestringpuller Didn't beavis and butthead intrigue you with the paint thinner episodes? [11:52]
nubbins` ULTIMATE [11:52]
mircea_popescu this is EXACTLY indicative of the general quality of the internets. [11:52]
nubbins` "MOTERCYCLE GARAGE" [11:52]
mircea_popescu it's not below average. this is the sort of shit the consumer internet is made of. from wikipedia to the last fucking blogspot blog. [11:53]
nubbins` "GENARATOR ROOM" [11:53]
mircea_popescu the internet's for porn because really, it can't do anything else... not well, it isn't a question of well. [11:53]
mircea_popescu it can't do anything else above mongoloidism. [11:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:54]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.31, Best ask: 294.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 294.4, 24 hour volume: 47068.57062534, 24 hour low: 290.2, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None [11:54]
nubbins` lel again @ gun range [11:54]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron sent it. i guess we find out if anyone's replacing kako's logs :D [11:55]
danielpbarron tyvm :D [11:55]
mircea_popescu also lawl at that choice. "o you wanna give me 100 ? let me take it as 7!" [11:55]
mircea_popescu that's the spirit. [11:55]
nubbins` http://www.ultimatebunker.com/photo-gallery/ [11:56]
assbot Photo Gallery of our Underground Products America's Best! Underground Bunkers, Gun Safes, Storm Shelters ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu0YI2 ) [11:56]
nubbins` "all we've built so far is steel coffins roughly the size of shipping containers, but we swear we can build a 9000sqft bunker" [11:56]
mircea_popescu the notion that anything under ~50k sqft or so is a "bunker". [11:57]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with "cellar". [11:57]
nubbins` these ones are *cough* nuke-proof [11:57]
nubbins` XD [11:57]
mircea_popescu not the same scent to it while sleepover ? [11:57]
* mircea_popescu has been in the casa poporului bunker [11:58]
mircea_popescu the thing a crazy dictator builds for himself. [11:58]
nubbins` plenty of old ww2 us military bunkers around here [11:58]
nubbins` not like these tho [11:59]
mircea_popescu for one thing, there's 18 ~meters~ of concrete between the bunker and the atmosphere. the last 3 interspersed with steel plate. [11:59]
nubbins` concrete, above ground [11:59]
mircea_popescu not "a steel plate". [11:59]
nubbins` heheh [11:59]
nubbins` right? [11:59]
nubbins` "a couple inches of topsoil should be good" [11:59]
nubbins` nevermind that this isn't a bunker, it's a fucking rotisserie [11:59]
mircea_popescu "nuke proof - but careful if the bomber tries to land nearby" [11:59]
nubbins` all you need is for two vendor reps to spit-roast you in the quarantine room [11:59]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [11:59]
nubbins` my sides [12:00]
nubbins` http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-Getting-Some-Skin.jpg [12:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDow ) [12:00]
nubbins` ball-peen hammer on floor for scale [12:00]
mircea_popescu and by spitroast we mean http://40.media.tumblr.com/f85183b002ff82c91455c4bc4464bb55/tumblr_n0s1piP2iK1tra55do5_1280.jpg [12:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDVo ) [12:00]
* nubbins` nods sagely [12:00]
mircea_popescu wait. what is that ?! [12:01]
nubbins` bottom guy should be standing tho [12:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the only thing they have actual pictures of [12:01]
nubbins` i guess that's the grow room ;p [12:01]
mircea_popescu this is a mental condition [12:01]
mircea_popescu it must be. [12:01]
mircea_popescu "and here's joe. joe has bunker. he's on 720mg clorazepine". [12:01]
nubbins` ^ [12:03]
nubbins` http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-and-Bunker-Brother.jpg [12:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu2lXn ) [12:03]
nubbins` okay, they're actually like 4 feet under the topsoil [12:03]
nubbins` i retract all criticism [12:03]
nubbins` except for all the mean things i said [12:03]
nubbins` Q: Does each bunker come with ten motorcycles, or do I have to provide my own? [12:04]
nubbins` also the frieght elevator has one elevator door and two swinging interior doors [12:04]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what i wanna know is, do they carve it by hand ? [12:04]
nubbins` heh [12:05]
nubbins` looks laser-y [12:05]
nubbins` that guy is still seling wooden w/e on the forums hey? [12:05]
nubbins` with his -1024 neg trust [12:05]
mircea_popescu dude... in srs now. they can't be intimating that those steel frame boxes are the "bunkers" ? [12:05]
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thestringpuller I get a lot of notifications on twitter for someone who doesn't really tweet. [12:05]
nubbins` mircea_popescu if not, they've posted WAY too many pictures of them [12:07]
mircea_popescu but [12:08]
mircea_popescu i guess these idiots never heard of scatter gamma huh ? [12:08]
asciilifeform time for an elementary likbez on the bunkers of gringolandia [12:09]
asciilifeform charlatans have been selling these steel coffins since mid-1950s. [12:09]
asciilifeform they were, at the dawn of that age, popular to such an extent, that a great many houses -still- have them buried in the yard [12:10]
asciilifeform and the owner does not even necessarily know [12:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, for the kids that didn't like physics class : any metal, if subjected to radiation such as a nuclear explosion, becomes a secondary source of gamma rays, as it slows down the rads. [12:10]
asciilifeform when they know, often used as a wine cellar [12:10]
mircea_popescu it's like being in a microwave oven [12:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only when you catch neutrons [12:11]
asciilifeform and if you're close enough for this, you're already dead of gamma burst [12:11]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: what is the definition of likbez? [12:11]
thestringpuller ;;ud likbez [12:11]
gribble Google found nothing. [12:11]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: that's because you gotta search for ликбез [12:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform now this all depends. [12:11]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: short for 'ликвидация безграмотности', or 'elimination of illiteracy', a 1920s sov. catchphrase for all sorts of 'popular enlightenment' crackpottery [12:12]
asciilifeform today used to refer to quick&dirty intro to something or other. [12:12]
thestringpuller google translates the short phrase to: "educational program" [12:12]
thestringpuller lol [12:12]
mircea_popescu if it's russian, it prolly has liquidation in it somewhere. [12:13]
mircea_popescu guys have a serious problem with ice, and it shows. [12:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think of it more as a quick shower, rather than dirty :D [12:13]
asciilifeform https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/2f/f1/532ff1d90f480e199803d6b46e9530ed.jpg [12:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrEREp ) [12:14]
asciilifeform these were originally referred to as 'fallout shelters', which is a somewhat more honest description of what one might actually hope to achieve with one [12:14]
asciilifeform not in any way shape or form designed to resist blast or serious gamma, and certainly not direct enemy action on the door [12:15]
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mircea_popescu "canned water" srsly ? [12:18]
asciilifeform as with any consumer idiocy, these became 'status object' and those with some money would build appropriately bigger ones, with more pointless luxuries [12:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the canned water, yes. still found on 'ebay' [12:18]
asciilifeform actually came in cans, like sardines [12:18]
mircea_popescu what is it, magnesium residue, just add water ? [12:18]
asciilifeform straight water. [12:18]
nubbins` "this shelter is gross, all the cans are lined with BPA" [12:19]
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asciilifeform http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/08/18/cheap-mini-blast-fallout-shelter-makes-you-question-which-is-the-worse-fate [12:20]
assbot Cheap Mini Blast & Fallout Shelter Makes You Question Which Is The Worse Fate - OhGizmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu5BBY ) [12:20]
asciilifeform ^ for the poor - coffin. [12:20]
nubbins` next door neighbour has been shrieking hoarsely at the top of her lungs for ~45 seconds now [12:20]
asciilifeform someone should've taught these folks how to do wagner&cyanide [12:20]
nubbins` wordlessly [12:20]
mircea_popescu "Is someone really going to settle for ‘fairly good nuclear protection’? It’s like they’re comparing radioactive fallout to a chilly breeze, and as long as you block most of it, you should be relatively comfortable. " [12:21]
mircea_popescu the ohgizmo piece is about as retarded as the originals [12:21]
mircea_popescu this is EXACTLY what you do. block most of it. [12:21]
asciilifeform linked for the photo [12:22]
mircea_popescu it's not a fucking ideological issue, it's a practical matter. radiation isn't this fucking thin from outer space, it's everywhere. [12:22]
mircea_popescu stones give it off! [12:22]
asciilifeform esp. underground [12:22]
mircea_popescu but for that matter, these idiots would prolly be amazed to hear about the ocean of air with its 100kpa right [12:22]
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nubbins` "but that's so heavy!" [12:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform intel says this is basically a married life phenomenon. familiar to eu/ru folks as the "going to work on car" man had enough of wife thin [12:23]
mircea_popescu g [12:24]
asciilifeform absolutely ^ this [12:24]
asciilifeform in usa, traditionally called 'man cave' [12:24]
asciilifeform as in, the compartment where he hides from wife [12:24]
asciilifeform because this is apparently sop [12:24]
nubbins` oh, i have a relevant link [12:24]
nubbins` sec [12:24]
nubbins` ;;google toronto pan am man cave [12:25]
gribble Toronto tunnel dug by 2 men as 'man cave', police say ... - CBC: ; Toronto Police: Men Built Mystery Tunnel to Use as Man Cave - ABC ...: ; Toronto police say no criminal intent with tunnel - US News: (1 more message) [12:25]
mircea_popescu i thought the man cave is where you take the daughter's classmates / maid / random roadkill for processing in the family way. [12:25]
nubbins` lel [12:25]
nubbins` "i brought this roadkill in for processing... in the family way" [12:25]
mircea_popescu nubbins` also known as hitchhikers. [12:25]
nubbins` o-o-o-o! [12:25]
nubbins` gj [12:26]
mircea_popescu see ? makes perfect sense :D [12:26]
* mircea_popescu realises tardively he might be the only one here subscribing to the hitchiker = roadkill convention. [12:26]
nubbins` "The man who owned some of the equipment which was found at the tunnel saw it on television and called police. He said he had loaned it to an employee — a construction worker who underpins homes." [12:26]
nubbins` ^ second line is best line [12:26]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i'd imagine there's just as many people using the phrase "long pig" [12:26]
mircea_popescu but dats racis ? [12:27]
nubbins` nobody knows for sure [12:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, "in the family way" is this 50s periphrase, for fucking. well, fucking in the 50s way, ie -> pregnancy. [12:27]
nubbins` best part of this "mystery cave" (which captivated the nation btw) is the people saying "they shouldn't be allowed to do that!!" [12:27]
mircea_popescu of coruse not. [12:27]
nubbins` can you fuckin imagine if you were /not allowed to dig holes/? [12:27]
nubbins` in the family way, i knew [12:28]
mircea_popescu the one thing 1980s russia, romania, poland etc agreed in their own idioms was [12:28]
mircea_popescu "they shouldn't be allowed to do that" [12:28]
mircea_popescu it's a commie thing. [12:28]
nubbins` canada: leftist sensibilities under a hard-right exterior [12:28]
mircea_popescu hard right exterior ? which way is it pointed ? [12:28]
nubbins` inward [12:29]
nubbins` :( [12:29]
asciilifeform in usa, excavation on your property (not even talking about some random place you've no official busines in) without a 'socially acceptable' excuse is thought to be a sign of 'up to no good' -- like duffel bag of benjies under your car seat [12:29]
asciilifeform you must be a deviant, is the thought [12:29]
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chetty and besides you are making a mess in the neighborhood, not allowed. No messy laundry or flags either [12:30]
asciilifeform flags are generally permitted so long as it's a regulation american flag [12:31]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: you are so paranoid! lol. [12:31]
asciilifeform (ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag) [12:31]
thestringpuller i roll around with dufflebag of benjies under my car seat all day erryday [12:32]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: 1 traffic stop away from penury [12:32]
nubbins` ^ [12:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100930 @ 0.0003489 = 35.2145 BTC [+] {3} [12:32]
thestringpuller well the money is going to jail not me [12:33]
asciilifeform and you can take that to the bank. [12:33]
nubbins` "just let us know why you have 'em and if it checks out you can have em back" [12:33]
asciilifeform or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag) [12:33]
thestringpuller bank would probably call feds if you showed up with dufflebag full of benjies [12:33]
nubbins` s/probably/be required by law to [12:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17897 @ 0.00035333 = 6.3235 BTC [+] [12:33]
mircea_popescu !up xinxi [12:34]
-assbot- You voiced xinxi for 30 minutes. [12:34]
* assbot gives voice to xinxi [12:34]
xinxi thanks [12:34]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [12:34]
xinxi The owner of coinut.com [12:35]
mircea_popescu get in teh wot. [12:35]
nubbins` ^ [12:35]
xinxi I used to be in wot. [12:35]
adlai wot happened? [12:35]
xinxi I don’t know why I am not now. [12:35]
mircea_popescu !gettrust xinxi [12:35]
adlai ;;ident xinxi [12:35]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None [12:35]
assbot xinxi is not registered in WoT. [12:35]
dignork mircea_popescu: what is dx.com / << chinese online shop with cheap electrnic garbage, very popular in RU [12:35]
jurov !trust assbot xinxi [12:35]
mircea_popescu dignork oic. [12:35]
adlai xinxi: gribble wot ≠ assbot wot [12:36]
jurov !gettrust assbot xinxi [12:36]
assbot xinxi is not registered in WoT. [12:36]
mircea_popescu xinxi ic! [12:36]
adlai popular in israel too [12:36]
xinxi I see. How to get registered in assbot wot? [12:37]
thestringpuller !gettrust wangxinxi [12:38]
assbot Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/wangxinxi | http://w.b-a.link/user/wangxinxi [12:38]
thestringpuller You're already in it apparently [12:38]
mircea_popescu xinxi coupla coimmands, see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [12:38]
assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG ) [12:38]
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mircea_popescu but yes, you don't need to, you were grandfathered when they split . [12:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: what mains plug in Ar ? [12:39]
thestringpuller xinxi: how goes coinut? [12:40]
asciilifeform seeing some disagreement from www on the question [12:40]
xinxi thestringpuller: I am still trying to attracting more users. [12:40]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is the godfather of options [12:41]
xinxi thestringpuller: yeah, mpoe was great. [12:41]
xinxi there are buyers, and I’m trying to find a big seller for them. [12:42]
xinxi one is asking for 100 BTC+ binary options. [12:42]
xinxi and the other is asking for vanilla options for his 4000 BTC. [12:42]
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xinxi Maybe you guys can help? [12:44]
thestringpuller so basically you want financing to underwrite options... [12:44]
xinxi I don’t sell. I need you to sell. [12:45]
xinxi 100 BTC binary options should be fine for many of you. The size is not that big. [12:47]
trinque mircea_popescu: cazalla: you guys just tried to add a rando text file with a hash in it [12:47]
trinque not a signed gpg message [12:47]
trinque and uh, did I just hear the word "intuitive"? [12:48]
trinque !up deedbot- [12:48]
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trinque cazalla: use deedbot-: add-key dpaste.com/blah.txt [12:49]
trinque cazalla: use deedbot-: add-deed dpaste.com/blah2.txt [12:49]
trinque where key is your gpg public key [12:49]
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trinque publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though [12:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42830 @ 0.00034294 = 14.6881 BTC [-] {2} [12:54]
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thestringpuller deedbot seems complicated now ~_~ [12:54]
trinque fucks sake, how to use it was in the logs [12:55]
trinque :p [12:55]
trinque it will get "improved", but I also have real life to attend to [12:55]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sequencing-fraud-on-9-cibc-visa-cards-like-groundhog-day-for-ottawa-man-1.2989611 [12:58]
assbot Sequencing fraud on 9 CIBC Visa cards like 'Groundhog Day' for Ottawa man - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NK9OXE ) [12:58]
nubbins` "It seems somehow the hacking team or the hackers have been able to get a hold of banking 'enigma' code so they're able to generate the exact same sequence of the card that I would be receiving in the mail." [12:58]
nubbins` o.O [12:58]
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pete_dushenski thx thestringpuller :) [12:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 220v V section [12:59]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: cut your cards, cut your cards! [12:59]
mircea_popescu but adapters are trivial to find so don't worry too much [12:59]
pete_dushenski and to all: a sunny hello from jamaica ! [13:00]
mircea_popescu xinxi what's the difference between a binary option and a bitbet like danielpbarron was talking earlier ? [13:00]
mircea_popescu publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though << it is. [13:01]
pete_dushenski obligatory scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/11/this-is-what-permissionless-innovation-looks-like/ [13:01]
assbot This is what permissionless innovation looks like. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKaz3d ) [13:01]
mircea_popescu i didn't actually check teh journos did in fact sing. yo BingoBoingo ! i'm holding you responsible! [13:01]
mircea_popescu cazalla we know is new to this entire computer thing :D [13:01]
trinque mircea_popescu: is a bad idea? [13:01]
trinque thought that's what you gents were trying to do [13:01]
mircea_popescu i had no idea they didn't actually SIGN IT [13:02]
trinque ahh... heh [13:02]
mircea_popescu but publishing unsigned mattrer on the deedbot is horribru. [13:02]
nubbins` i find this "sequencing fraud" thing a bit much [13:02]
xinxi mircea_popescu: you need to price a binary option before you buy or sell. [13:03]
nubbins` what, the haxxors enumerated 100 million visa card numbers and /tried them all/ every time this guy got a new card? [13:03]
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nubbins` sorry, 10 million [13:03]
mircea_popescu xinxi i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048579 [13:03]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 12:21:36; danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D [13:03]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` you dun understand how weak ssn is. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009887 and thereabous [13:04]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2015 03:09:05; mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide." [13:04]
PeterL asciilifeform: is this the kind of thing you were talking about? http://www.amazing1.com/products/hho-hydrogen-pistol-paper-plans.html [13:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [13:04]
assbot HHO Hydrogen Pistol (Paper Plans) - Information Unlimited ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKbAIj ) [13:04]
mircea_popescu they cram 9 digit people into 9 digit sig space. [13:04]
trinque danielpbarron: ^ MARK OF DA BEEST [13:04]
nubbins` sure, but linked story was this poor canadin schmo who has had NINE credit cards IN A ROW compromised [13:04]
mircea_popescu yes well, it's journalism. what starts as a discussion about us ssn ends up as a story about a canadian fucking a gator. [13:05]
nubbins` like, he says "this is nuts, can i pick up my replacement at the branch this time?" and on his drive home he gets a call saying his card number was stolen [13:05]
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nubbins` !up xinxi [13:05]
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mircea_popescu xinxi you can just !up in private at assbot to permavoice [13:05]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: he has to change nicks [13:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyway, "sequencing fraud" is how illiterate gubernmint pinheads refer to "we use shit crypto and so it gets broken all the time" [13:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00034223 = 5.4945 BTC [-] [13:06]
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nubbins` straight up tho, impossibly small address space. [13:07]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i would have been "squencing fraud" had fetlife actually been the government it takes itself for / behaves like. [13:07]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKchl3 ) [13:07]
nubbins` 16 char visa number, first 4-8 are predictable based on bank/branch [13:07]
nubbins` last one is checksum [13:07]
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wangxinxi thestringpuller: it works now. thanks [13:07]
mircea_popescu 16 digit number. as in you know, fuckall. eight chars pw. [13:08]
pete_dushenski most online banking is at this level [13:08]
pete_dushenski 'can only use pw with !@# symbols' [13:09]
nubbins` when i was in korea in ~2007 they had some serious online banking voodoo [13:09]
nubbins` 1) install activex certificate on usb drive 2) put usb drive in computer 3) go to banking website & log in 4) grab OTP list from wallet and enter random 2 of 24 codes [13:10]
nubbins` tap your elbows 3 times, kill a monkey, etc [13:10]
mircea_popescu sounds like it's broken. [13:10]
nubbins` the wallet card thing was mildly interesting, although overall very cumbersome [13:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.00033333 = 9.4236 BTC [-] [13:11]
pete_dushenski sk must be running low on monkeys by now [13:11]
mircea_popescu nah, they breed like rabbits [13:11]
mircea_popescu inside a row of 6 gallon tanks. [13:12]
nubbins` ^ [13:12]
nubbins` hahah [13:12]
nubbins` GUN RANGE [13:12]
nubbins` EXPLOSIVES RANGE [13:12]
mircea_popescu jackoff range [13:12]
mircea_popescu by their floor space combined, > 100x the size of the 8 showers. [13:12]
mircea_popescu imagine how that thing smells, anno 7 pd. [13:12]
nubbins` who needs a water purification setup when you have ten motorcycles [13:12]
nubbins` post derp [13:13]
mircea_popescu TEN MOTORCYCLES! WITH GUN RANGE! [13:13]
mircea_popescu those chucks prolly don't even wash, they just circle each other riding on one wheel and shoot the dirt off. [13:13]
nubbins` ha [13:13]
mircea_popescu or maybe they chrome themselves pre-sheltering. [13:14]
mircea_popescu chroming unit omitted from plans. [13:14]
pete_dushenski reading darwin atm and his comment on the 'breed like rabbits' thing is less 'huge numbers' and more 'anywhere, anytime' [13:14]
mircea_popescu that's "breed like co-eds". [13:14]
pete_dushenski his comments on captive breeding were mildly interesting [13:14]
mircea_popescu rabbits don't go to college on account of raceism. [13:14]
pete_dushenski lol mebbe darwin didn't either [13:15]
pete_dushenski http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo [13:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXmpY ) [13:16]
nubbins` ;;google chroming planet earth [13:16]
gribble Black chrome plating problem: Plating is gray instead of black: ; Living on Earth: Chromium Pollution Exposure: ; Be Alright: [13:16]
* nubbins` shrugs [13:16]
mircea_popescu incidentally re water purification : ozone by far the best bet for the application. [13:16]
pete_dushenski qualcomm getting into bitcoin mining space to the tune of $116 mn [13:16]
nubbins` https://be-alright.bandcamp.com/track/chroming-planet-earth [13:16]
mircea_popescu hydrolize for oxigen, spark for ozone, closed cycle. [13:16]
assbot Chroming Planet Earth | Be Alright ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXtBT ) [13:16]
nubbins` ^ have a listen [13:16]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski better late than never. [13:16]
mircea_popescu they actually still have enough inefficiencies to wring out, so... [13:17]
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pete_dushenski quite so. [13:17]
nubbins` i've a UV-C water purifier that's served me well in many a tropical shithole [13:17]
PeterL ozone can be generated by hitting O2 with the right UV wavelength [13:17]
pete_dushenski i can't imagine intel and amd are far behind such public ventures. [13:17]
nubbins` except for that one trip where i slipped up and brushed my teeth with tap water. [13:17]
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wangxinxi mircea_popescu: I don’t see that danielpbarron asked for binary options. [13:18]
pete_dushenski though i imagine they've already been tapped for more covert operations already [13:18]
PeterL another wavelength destroys the ozone when you are done using it to clean your water [13:18]
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nubbins` ;;google steripen [13:18]
gribble SteriPEN Water Purification | UV Water Purification: ; SteriPEN Traveler | UV Water Purification: ; SteriPEN Freedom | UV Water Purification: [13:18]
mircea_popescu wangxinxi https://bitbet.us/bet/1120/btc-to-top-500-before-1st-may/ << that, what's that ? [13:18]
nubbins` 10/10 will buy another if this one breaks [13:18]
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mircea_popescu PeterL yup. [13:20]
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mircea_popescu it's a very powerful combo, which is why all modern water purification is done by this uv/ozone thing [13:20]
mircea_popescu well, they're also trying to get bio stuff working, but that's iffier. [13:20]
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-assbot- You voiced Jrum for 30 minutes. [13:20]
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PeterL reverse osmosis is good for getting salt out of your water [13:20]
mircea_popescu it is yes. but the application here is more "get her dead epithelia / endometrium out of the washing water" [13:21]
wangxinxi mircea_popescu that seems not an option. But it’s definitely quite exciting. [13:21]
mircea_popescu wangxinxi but the question is, in what manner is it not an option ? if it goes over you win, if not you lose, or reverse. [13:22]
mircea_popescu right ? what's missing ? [13:22]
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thestringpuller pete_dushenski: new comment held up in the spamorator [13:25]
wangxinxi mircea_popescu I don’t know. But can we relate it with volatility? [13:25]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: goddamit [13:25]
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mircea_popescu wangxinxi well of more practical interest : just back your options into it. clearly there's volume there, which is exactly what the purpose of bitbet is : to provide liquidity/insurance to repackagers such as yourself. [13:26]
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mircea_popescu so, if you have uncovered demand, simply calculate what backing you need and offload the risk on bitbet [13:26]
mircea_popescu as you say, 100btc ain't much. [13:26]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: LOL. And you once said "Bitbet is just a toy" [13:27]
thestringpuller lol [13:27]
mircea_popescu everything good's a toy. [13:27]
wangxinxi mircea_popescu that could be a good idea. can we calculate the delta of such a bet? [13:27]
mircea_popescu im sure we can. [13:27]
mircea_popescu wangxinxi http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ << here's a good primer of the maths involve.d [13:27]
assbot How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrZT3t ) [13:27]
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wangxinxi interesting. let me check first. [13:28]
thestringpuller !up pete_dushenski [13:29]
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pete_dushenski ty! [13:30]
mircea_popescu meanwhile at the other end of the nuclear shelter spectrum, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9cc26bb441b1a672d509870cac083e2a/tumblr_ndmg6imkQ91sl37wro1_1280.jpg [13:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs0wu1 ) [13:30]
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pete_dushenski “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.” [13:36]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/ [13:36]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 16:11:53; pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo [13:36]
assbot 21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs1Mgx ) [13:36]
jurov looks like cloud mining chupmatron [13:37]
pete_dushenski lol nice find jurov [13:37]
pete_dushenski does look that way [13:37]
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wangxinxi mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice. [13:42]
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Pierre_Rochard http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049034 << They’re using SQL! Imagine that! No mongodb and node.js!? Must not be a serious bitcoin startup [13:44]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/ [13:44]
pete_dushenski not serious, not community-driven, smells like trouble ;) [13:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 78 @ 0.02348457 = 1.8318 BTC [+] {7} [13:46]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10731711#msg10731711 mircea_popescu davout behold this gem [13:49]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs4Fhq ) [13:49]
davout jurov: lol [13:49]
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danielpbarron haha i was wondering when that would finally get pasted in here [13:50]
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mod6 mit lol [13:52]
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ben_vulpes far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother [13:57]
adlai but why couldn't it use https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_lTAhJXEAA9oWE.jpg:large [14:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs99os ) [14:10]
ben_vulpes the hell is he wearing? [14:15]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: is this you? https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1076 [14:32]
assbot Electrum Wallet · Issue #1076 · spesmilo/electrum · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Brk421 ) [14:32]
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danielpbarron "Now let me tell you about my dog: i don't have a dog. So that is the end of that." [14:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.00033254 = 5.5554 BTC [-] {2} [14:45]
jurov lol haven't i complained yest that it scans gigabytes of data per wallet? [14:45]
jurov oh and btw reducing pruning limit did not help here, fluffypony [14:46]
fluffypony jurov: you'd have to reduce the limit and go from scratch afaik [14:47]
jurov yea i suspected building the db with lower limit is neede.. but i gave up. maybe when i get ssd available [14:47]
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ascii_field 'sequencing fraud' << i suppose this is when i attempt to explain 'fiat banks create small-time sp4mz0r fraud' thing [14:59]
ascii_field imagine you had access to money printer, but only as a lackey [15:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56210 @ 0.00033245 = 18.687 BTC [-] {2} [15:00]
ascii_field i.e., you can't easily scoop from it directly in broad daylight [15:00]
ascii_field but you are in charge of, e.g., the door locks [15:00]
ascii_field or alarms [15:00]
ascii_field etc. [15:00]
ascii_field so you strike a deal where the place is robbed 'a little' now and again. [15:01]
ascii_field in exchange, you get a cut. [15:01]
ascii_field very basic mechanics here. [15:01]
ascii_field the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon [15:02]
ascii_field the sequences are -deliberately- predictable, the crypto is quite consciously weak, the authenticators are a joke, the turdamatics require winblows, etc. [15:03]
ascii_field and none of this should surprise anyone who understands what a fiat bank is. [15:03]
ascii_field and likewise all of the fraud-mitigation stuff is bones thrown to the plebes to shut'em up. [15:04]
ascii_field sums to >>>> 'it's not a bug - it's a feature!' [15:05]
ascii_field there were CC # generators on usenet in the mid-'90s [15:05]
ascii_field and everybody knew about them [15:05]
ascii_field mega-snore. [15:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16440 @ 0.00033471 = 5.5026 BTC [+] [15:06]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My bad :( fluffypony: Nope [15:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28568 @ 0.0003361 = 9.6017 BTC [+] {2} [15:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.01351001 = 1.2429 BTC [-] {2} [15:32]
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ascii_field http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina << vintage lulz [15:42]
assbot Richard Stallman has his bag stolen in Argentina | Guillermo Rauch's Devthought ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbuGDB ) [15:43]
nubbins` "I was right there, after the talk. It was a very sad moment. He was really distressed. He started yelling and punching himself in the head." [15:45]
nubbins` google-translated linked source: "We all try to find the bag that thought was lost. Stallman was bad and sad." [15:46]
trinque nubbins`: "punching himself in the head" << how autistic [15:49]
ascii_field old news, found by sheer accident when reading piece re: rms no longer using 'loonson' mips laptop on account of it having been pinched and no replacement could be had [15:51]
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nubbins` say, any thoughts on thin client laptops? [16:11]
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ascii_field nubbins`: thin client laptops ? [16:26]
nubbins` like, say, chromebooks [16:27]
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ascii_field !s chromebook [16:27]
assbot 11 results for 'chromebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chromebook [16:27]
ascii_field i bought the one with exynos 'arm' chip, it's gathering dust. there is not enough published chipset info to run a proper os on it [16:28]
ascii_field (the only distro where -all- of the hardware works, incl. suspend mode, is google's gpl-violating gentoo fork that ships with it) [16:28]
trinque old cheap thinkpads? [16:29]
ascii_field the runner up, and afaik only other working os, is 'arch' - which is systemd-infested [16:29]
ascii_field trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries [16:30]
ascii_field lcd backlight tubes fade, also (but these one can generally find replacements for) [16:30]
ascii_field in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp [16:30]
nubbins` yeah [16:31]
trinque ascii_field: does not seem that there are any good choices to be made [16:31]
trinque if it's actually "thin" though, its job might just be terminals and ssh [16:31]
trinque and have an *bsd box somewhere else [16:31]
nubbins` thin-esque [16:31]
trinque in my dreams there's an e-ink terminals-only device with an ethernet port and hardware rng [16:32]
ascii_field e-ink sucks even compared to teletype [16:32]
ascii_field refreshwise [16:32]
nubbins` i have a kobo e-reader that i'm pretty sure i could ssh on [16:33]
nubbins` but yes, it's absolutely brutal to, say, type five characters. [16:33]
nubbins` flip a page every couple minutes? no sweat [16:33]
ascii_field best cure is to obtain, e.g., 'amazon kindle', jailbreak, enlinuxate, and actually try it [16:33]
nubbins` enter a wifi password? get out [16:33]
ascii_field you'll see what i mean. [16:33]
trinque in my dreams, of course, eink does not suck [16:33]
trinque also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth [16:34]
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nubbins` i only yesterday tried this, no joke [16:35]
nubbins` speaking of kobo, i should charge that thing [16:35]
danielpbarron i've kept up with some very fast paced arguments using only my thumbs [16:35]
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danielpbarron i don't recommend getting a iphone strictly for this purpose though; it's just a nice bonus if you already have one [16:38]
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thestringpuller danielpbarron: i can't code in ssh terminal on iphone tho unfortunately. [17:10]
thestringpuller it's a bit much to thumb code [17:10]
danielpbarron yeah that's not so fun [17:10]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/mystery-startup-allegedly-raises-funds/ [17:12]
danielpbarron probably a good thing; anything worth using should probably only be coded on a setup similar to what i've heard asciilifeform describe [17:12]
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mike_c "He compares 21’s work in building bitcoin products for the general public to the sequential development of 56-kilobit Internet modems, international fiber cables and wireless Internet towers, which all helped bring the Internet into people’s homes in the late 1990s." [17:24]
mike_c their working on the pogo build! [17:24]
mike_c *they're [17:24]
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ascii_field 116mil 'mystery startup' << expect to see $maxint of this. usg will build malicious 'wallets' and other mainstreamadoptatron crap for all-comers [17:33]
ascii_field expect also to see 'siliconized' versions of gavincoin sold at massive discount and 'dropped from airplane' etc [17:34]
ascii_field the buggers got the message that purely spreadshit-based shenanigans don't have the desired 'bang' [17:35]
ascii_field so they're moving on to, well, the actual game. [17:36]
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mircea_popescu mike_c who's "21" ? [17:53]
RetroUpriser Hello [17:53]
mircea_popescu hi [17:53]
mike_c 21 inc is the new $116 million startup [17:53]
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davout my read on 21 is "some bitcoin noob that happens to be fiat rich rounded a couple of other rich buddies, and wants to fix bitcoin" [17:54]
mircea_popescu so a thing that did no work is actually compared to the few things that did work selected out of the large set of things that also did work by the criteria that they survived ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu very smart. by this reading, the grime on these peoples' bathtubs is like a mouse : almost a life form, and one that didn't go extinct, either. [17:55]
mircea_popescu davout quite. [17:55]
ascii_field nobody in usa gets to so much as look with one eye at 112mil usd without a gauleiter reviewing it [17:55]
mircea_popescu ascii_field anyway, this scurrying to coinbase and mysterymeat is a good indicator of a) how painful the crushing of shitvin shitdressen was and b) how scary #bitcoin-terrorists actually is. [17:56]
davout lol, now i'm forever_alone.jpg in #bitcoin-terrorists [17:57]
ascii_field if they're feeling pain, it's a secret from me [17:57]
mike_c did the fork happen? [17:57]
ascii_field what does printing an extra 112m cost them? [17:57]
ascii_field one fewer 'f16' ? [17:58]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the humiliation that 112mn is trying to assuage and can never be assuaged is the issue. [17:58]
mircea_popescu always the impotence is the issue, never the neurosis attendant. [17:58]
mircea_popescu mike_c i see 347214. [17:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049033 << poor polyanna boring, she had imagined she has something. as if the us isn't chock full of dumb 50yo cunts some petreus or other is trying to promote to "ambassadoirships" [18:00]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:19; pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.” [18:00]
ascii_field when usg officials start vanishing from the stage because no longer can pay bills, rather than folks like moiety disappearing from our ranks - then we know, yes, victory [18:00]
mircea_popescu ascii_field we're ahead on that score then. [18:00]
thestringpuller whatever happened to moiety? [18:00]
ascii_field just pointing out that we've not taken berlin yet. [18:00]
thestringpuller did derps scare her off? [18:01]
mike_c i think she went broke.. [18:01]
ascii_field thestringpuller: went br0k3 [18:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049040 << if you think bitbet's not liquid you have a serious problem on your hands. [18:01]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 16:38:37; wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice. [18:01]
thestringpuller ascii_field: that's cause you wouldn't give her duffle of benjies! [18:01]
mircea_popescu it's very weird, this psychology of the failed entrepreneur. he comes here with a 100 btc problem, is given a solution that can and historically has covered 1000s. [18:02]
mike_c investors in US follow silicon valley like the midwest follows new york fashion. Now that they are pouring money into these startups, it could be a feeding frenzy kind of year. [18:02]
mircea_popescu the catch being that in order to avail himself of it, he has to give up some shard of his entrepreneurial delusion, and instead buckle down and work like a honest man. [18:02]
mircea_popescu this is too much. [18:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c fosho. [18:02]
ascii_field thestringpuller: first i'd have to dig one up myself [18:02]
mircea_popescu the sort of usd rain we're going to see here has not yet seen before, and will not be seen afterwards. [18:03]
mike_c i used to enjoy marking the bull run by when MPOE had to update its strike prices. can we bring that back this year? :) [18:03]
mircea_popescu haha. well, we'd need an actual exchange first. [18:04]
mike_c ah, yes. not to worry, the winklevii are almost done with that. [18:04]
mircea_popescu "mit's expo" ? [18:04]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this. [18:04]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: bezzlacademia's hooked up and at full revv now [18:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, lulzy to me is the part where these schmucks have gone from claiming "unanimity" three months ago to claiming "majority" a month ago" to claiming... parity, today. [18:05]
ascii_field legitimacy-spraying the sc4mz0rz like in every other field [18:05]
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mircea_popescu at this rate by the end of the year they'll be claiming they exist and nobody'll be buying it. [18:05]
ascii_field incidentally, (may have mentioned this in the past) - 'mit press' is among the clearest possible illustrations of what happened to american academia in past 20 yrs [18:06]
ascii_field (look at the book catalogue then, vs. now) [18:06]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the idea that i'm not invited to give talks about how to ruin bitcoin to fucking cia is not the worst credential ever. [18:06]
mircea_popescu not so much because they don't think i could figure out a way, but for the more obviously blunt reason that they correctly realise that if i give them a trojan horse they wouldn't have the intellectual werewithal to spot it. [18:07]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049105 << on the battery score, i dunno wtf weird planet that is, but you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk. [18:13]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 19:25:54; ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries [18:13]
mircea_popescu they work splendidly.' [18:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049123 << no historical harem got that large. [18:13]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 19:29:56; trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth [18:13]
trinque dreams! [18:14]
mircea_popescu generally a harem ceases to function over about 50 heads or so. [18:14]
trinque har-army? [18:14]
mircea_popescu but what sort of dreams! you wouldn't even know most of the hetairai [18:14]
trinque man I dunno, I was just saying old ThinkPads are cool [18:14]
mircea_popescu then what's all this stuff about small penises and pigmen ? [18:15]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk << raw cells - yes. the charge controller, with its parameter rom calibrated to those cells for correct discharge curve - no. [18:15]
trinque mircea_popescu: LOL, that'll teach me to discuss my dreams here [18:15]
mircea_popescu ascii_field no i mean the whole shebang, in a plastic casing to match original. [18:15]
mircea_popescu i have three dozen for my old ibm thinkpads. [18:15]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i've bought 5 types or so, all crud [18:15]
ascii_field aha thinkpads sure [18:15]
ascii_field but something more obscure - no. [18:16]
mircea_popescu they have it all. find a chinese person. [18:16]
ascii_field plus they tend to sit on shelves for years, and Li ion rots in storage [18:16]
mircea_popescu they even have the cure for baldness. [18:16]
ascii_field and yes from china, from where else [18:16]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: separate problem is that, typically, none of these machines had decent battery run even when the cells were new... [18:18]
mircea_popescu well there is that. nutty design energetically [18:18]
ascii_field thank intel [18:18]
ascii_field incidentally, and i've not seen this observation made elsewhere, but i noticed that laptop mechanical build quality went to shit around the time they stopped costing what a decent used car cost. [18:21]
ascii_field there was a pretty clear 'phase change' some time around 2000 [18:21]
mircea_popescu i think it's related to advances in plastics. once they went fully injected everyone stopped caring. [18:22]
mircea_popescu there's this thing that happens once something becomes "a solved problem". [18:22]
ascii_field e.g., toshiba's 'libretto' cost ~$6k [18:22]
mircea_popescu that something is, buncha smart kids leave, buncha women move in. [18:22]
ascii_field 'the men build, the women inhabit' - al schwartz [18:22]
ascii_field when the machines turned 'disposable', they stopped having, among other things, steel skeleton [18:23]
ascii_field or a proper latch [18:23]
mircea_popescu something like that. [18:23]
ascii_field (and 50 other supposedly-'optional' items) [18:23]
trinque while we're veering towards the "there are no computers" topic, what's wrong with the idea of doing a little lisp-running raspberry pi competitor as a toe-hold into the computer making business? [18:25]
ascii_field trinque: what's wrong << everything [18:26]
thestringpuller ascii_field: is just a h8er [18:26]
trinque no one once ever worked his way into a market [18:26]
ascii_field trinque: and let's sell candy made from 9 parts sugar to 1 part turd [18:27]
ascii_field 'work into market' by reducing turd % [18:27]
thestringpuller one mans turd, another fly's delicacy [18:27]
ascii_field nope [18:27]
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ascii_field selling turd where c-machine abstraction stack continuously leaks into the supposed 'lisp' - is pure sc4mz4tr0nix [18:29]
thestringpuller ascii_field: "this is a turd free zone" [18:29]
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trinque ascii_field: there are almost limitless tiers of potential products between hfcs and actual food [18:30]
ascii_field trinque: but before you can even have this line of thought, find a stock chipset to which you can even port 'minix' without -any- blobs or -any- detectable dysfunction [18:30]
trinque there are plenty of people out there that don't give a shit about the blobs [18:32]
trinque why not sell something to them with the intent of removing said poo [18:32]
trinque in n iterations [18:32]
trinque whether they *should* care is another question [18:32]
ascii_field trinque: wake me up when this has actually happened, anywhere, ever. [18:32]
thestringpuller trinque: you ever try removing poo from your food so its edible? [18:33]
ascii_field in practice 'it works, fuck you, we're practical people, go away' and blob stays [18:33]
trinque thestringpuller: I don't need to discuss the details of the metaphor [18:33]
trinque ascii_field: so don't have those people involved in the decision [18:33]
trinque you're CEO of deturdatronix [18:34]
thestringpuller ~_~ ya [18:34]
ascii_field trinque: you're talking about reverse-engineering, a la nvidia driver, xilinx (see old thread, etc.) [18:34]
ascii_field do you know how it usually ends? [18:34]
ascii_field by the time you have something usable, chip is out of print [18:34]
trinque ascii_field: why does it need a GPU? [18:34]
ascii_field permanently [18:34]
ascii_field didn't say it needed gpu per se [18:34]
ascii_field just bringing up well-known example of this kind of process [18:35]
trinque I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port [18:35]
trinque start absurdly stupid [18:35]
ascii_field buncha folks spend years picking apart the vendor's driver (mind you, this tells nothing about hidden functionality in the silicon) [18:35]
ascii_field and when the product is something like ready to use in life - bam. [18:35]
trinque I'm sure you're right about that [18:35]
ascii_field chip is out of print, and next version is quite deliberately incompatible. [18:35]
ascii_field don't take my word for it! [18:35]
trinque but then I'd just say aim for something dumber [18:35]
ascii_field trinque: let's hear the actual part #s [18:36]
ascii_field suggest a chip [18:36]
ascii_field that you would like to see starring in this film, so to speak [18:36]
ascii_field brb [18:36]
chetty isn't the new apple watch thing planned that way? chip is not replaceable [18:37]
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trinque here's the opportunity I see; maybe I'm wrong [18:38]
trinque all these shitty boards like the rpi are going to be making their way into all kinds of "smart" products [18:38]
trinque they're all going to get hacked and fucked with like it's 90s windows all over again [18:38]
trinque meanwhile some plucky upstart builds something really dumb, like my ethernet light switch [18:39]
trinque understands the thing the whole way through, demonstrates its superiority against everything that's been ravaged by hax [18:39]
trinque maybe version 5 of the thing gets a USB port [18:40]
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mircea_popescu I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port << this is kinda how this process is going as is. hence the cardano. [18:52]
mircea_popescu and you know exactly how it'll go : the usg horde will derp their derpage, most idiots of the jwz ilk will "not want to pick the political bone" and so on and so forth. [18:53]
mircea_popescu nttawwt, but don't imagine slaves come to sense through any process that doesn't involve clubbing them into the dirt. [18:54]
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cazalla trinque: where key is your gpg public key <<< for some reason i thought i read bot imported pub key from wot, my bad [18:56]
mircea_popescu better this way, the less the sks servers are involved the better. [18:57]
cazalla deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt [18:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MswsAl ) [18:57]
cazalla deedbot- add-key dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt [18:58]
cazalla so do i include the : ? deedbot- pm'd me with "Bad URL or network outage" [18:59]
cazalla ah dw, imported [19:00]
trinque !up deedbot- [19:01]
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trinque deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt [19:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EALBk0 ) [19:02]
cazalla trinque, forgot about upping the thing, i'm hung over :) [19:02]
trinque nbd, maybe it's misbehaving? [19:02]
cazalla i'll just stick to pm'ing it so that i can throw a bunch of commands until i get what it is i need and no-one here will be the wiser [19:03]
deedbot- imported: FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0 [19:03]
trinque looks like just being slow [19:04]
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trinque cazalla: yeah it's running butt slow [19:12]
trinque I'll look into that, meanwhile let me know if it ever eats your deed [19:12]
trinque it's strange, the load average on the box is 0.24 [19:18]
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danielpbarron fyi the "blue" pogo (the one that doesn't have sata port) is works just like the purple one would if installing to a SD card [20:07]
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danielpbarron in that if you have instructions that work for the purple one, the will also work for the blue one [20:07]
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mircea_popescu http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/08/kenyan-lawyer-sue-isreal-for-killing-jesus/ [20:25]
assbot Kenyan Lawyer Sue Isreal For Killing Jesus | JEWSNEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcNmBg ) [20:25]
mircea_popescu dat site. [20:25]
davout bwhaha [20:29]
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jurov should have implied vatican, it incorporated roman laws, too [20:33]
jurov and eastern orhodox church even more so [20:35]
mircea_popescu implicated ? [20:40]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in ba http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/Urbanudismo-pasearon-desnudas-boedo-avril_x_0_1318668331.html [20:42]
assbot Pasearon completamente desnudas por pleno Boedo ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcPxVu ) [20:42]
jurov yes, implecated :) [20:43]
jurov implicated [20:43]
mircea_popescu hehe [20:44]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#Press-list [20:49]
assbot The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsujTN ) [20:49]
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jurov BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"? [21:07]
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BingoBoingo jurov: Sure [21:08]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/0f0cffa45644dd67ee622259992191ab/tumblr_n1h3x5MeFW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg to go with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HPfmvaWRw [21:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bctz ) [21:25]
assbot Kid Rock - Redneck Paradise (Remix) ft. Hank Williams Jr. [Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bbG1 ) [21:25]
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mircea_popescu (pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_ [21:28]
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decimation https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150310/15522730277/california-proposes-bill-to-ban-all-unlicensed-bitcoin-businesses-without-even-defining-what-that-means.shtml < lol [21:34]
assbot California Proposes Bill To Ban All Unlicensed Bitcoin Businesses, Without Even Defining What That Means | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6cqFd ) [21:34]
decimation banks, gov't, etc are 'exempt' of course [21:34]
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trinque decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes" [21:39]
trinque still pretty fucked [21:39]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [21:39]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.71, Best ask: 296.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 296.89, 24 hour volume: 25417.80268383, 24 hour low: 291.0, 24 hour high: 298.75, 24 hour vwap: None [21:39]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [21:58]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/ [21:58]
mircea_popescu decimation lol [21:58]
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mircea_popescu kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. [21:58]
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mircea_popescu wait, by now gribble does bitfinex only ? lol. [22:02]
jurov ;;ticker --market all [22:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 6849.16021121 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 293.469, vol: 11302.18543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.89, vol: 25132.70245094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 295.403478, vol: 162128.90550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.93748, vol: 36.80919596 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.4287, vol: 95.69692435 | Volume-weighted last average: 295.34297304 [22:05]
jurov dunno how it chooses, by volume? [22:05]
mircea_popescu amusingly, btcchina has what, 70-80% of all volume [22:06]
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mircea_popescu i thought it was pretty cool. [22:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00034511 = 20.9309 BTC [-] {2} [22:16]
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decimation re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies [22:25]
asciilifeform xerxes whips the sea, snore. [22:26]
decimation related: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/11/the-intellectual-as-servant-of-the-state/ [22:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed29f4 ) [22:26]
decimation ^ author of the above was in army, had a son in the army, son died in iraq [22:26]
asciilifeform decimation: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TreasonV3.HTM << related [22:26]
assbot Treason of the Intellectuals, Volume 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed2e2r ) [22:26]
decimation he is now on a krazy korner railing against usg [22:26]
decimation yet he has given his life and his own son in service of usg, and accomplished nothing [22:27]
decimation reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you [22:27]
asciilifeform and of course, the obligatory lenin, 'intellectual is not his nation's head, but its arse' [22:27]
asciilifeform (TM) [22:27]
mircea_popescu ahaha treason of the intellectuals verbiage, srlsy ?! [22:27]
decimation heh yeah that is related [22:27]
mircea_popescu dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves. [22:28]
mircea_popescu decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu youth wasted on the young and all that. [22:29]
decimation mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype [22:29]
mircea_popescu depends how you count the greek sophist. [22:30]
mircea_popescu or the byzantine byzantine. or the medieval courtier. [22:30]
mircea_popescu look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur. [22:30]
decimation yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power [22:31]
mircea_popescu certainly more amply documented in "not dead" languages. [22:31]
decimation heh yeah [22:32]
asciilifeform hey folks still speak occitan and languadoc [22:32]
asciilifeform *languedoc [22:32]
decimation plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome [22:32]
asciilifeform obligatory deng xiaoping here... [22:33]
mircea_popescu hence the scare quotes [22:33]
mircea_popescu heck, folks still speak greek. and it's certainly more mutually intelligible with classical greek than current english with high english. [22:33]
asciilifeform irrc it was him who was asked 'was fr. rev. a good idea?' answered 'too early to say' [22:33]
decimation or low german [22:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you like living fossilization, visit iceland [22:33]
decimation english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german [22:34]
asciilifeform more or less bug-for-bug compatibility with classical norse [22:34]
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mircea_popescu decimation plattdeustch is still spoken, like idish [22:34]
decimation yeah, germany still hasn't steamrolled all of its accents [22:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not - there are idish newspapers in usa. [22:34]
mircea_popescu i used to know a guy publishing one [22:34]
mircea_popescu meanwhile dead, bu anyway [22:34]
mircea_popescu but anyway, anyone guess what "hron rade" denotes, in "english" ? [22:35]
decimation honarary? [22:36]
decimation heh honorary [22:36]
mircea_popescu (i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then) [22:36]
asciilifeform hey what can i do in barbaric tongue [22:37]
mircea_popescu anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea. [22:37]
mircea_popescu one's categorical symbolization, the other's a kenning. [22:38]
decimation kenning as in kennelernen? [22:38]
asciilifeform everyone who likes kennings, straight to norse book, 'do not pass go, do not collect 200' [22:38]
mircea_popescu as in this poetic device [22:38]
mircea_popescu ;;google kenning site:trilema.com [22:38]
gribble Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [22:38]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/kenning-si-rhyming-slang/ ere we go. [22:39]
assbot Kenning si rhyming slang pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3Glu ) [22:39]
asciilifeform http://kip-w.livejournal.com/215011.html << absolutely obligatory re: kennings [22:39]
assbot Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3GSk ) [22:39]
asciilifeform mega-classic [22:39]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ? [22:39]
decimation kennenlernen means 'familiarity' in german [22:39]
mircea_popescu decimation learning by similarity something [22:39]
decimation wasn't there a certain church bell [22:39]
mircea_popescu nope. [22:39]
mircea_popescu the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once [22:40]
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mircea_popescu which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time) [22:40]
mircea_popescu but especially c) all sorts of weird exotic shit. [22:40]
mircea_popescu so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone. [22:41]
mircea_popescu time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast. [22:41]
mircea_popescu "s'thematter, couldn't sleep any ?" [22:41]
mircea_popescu "holy shit all these cocks neighing!" [22:41]
decimation heh [22:42]
asciilifeform 'Down came good Freya, frowning at Fúfu. / Said she to the warren-born: "No worth I find / In your smiting of cheese-thieves. Smirk not, but obey me...' [22:42]
asciilifeform ^ mega-k3nn1ngz [22:42]
mircea_popescu cats ? [22:42]
asciilifeform (from earlier link) [22:42]
decimation yeah it's the same root https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kennen#German "From Old High German kennan, from Proto-Germanic *kannijaną (“to know”). Cognate to English ken (“knowledge, understanding”)." [22:43]
assbot kennen - Wiktionary ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4dUq ) [22:43]
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mircea_popescu it is. [22:44]
mircea_popescu btw, re "useful idiots", anyone actually read Mona Charen ? [22:45]
asciilifeform 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.' [22:45]
asciilifeform engl. has 'ken' [22:45]
asciilifeform or perhaps not quite modern engl. but hey whatddayawant [22:45]
decimation I want an original "PIE" dictionary [22:46]
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asciilifeform http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Farmer-MusaPedestris/bing-out-bien-morts.html << but also from twain 'prince&pauper' [22:49]
assbot Bing Out, Bien Morts [22:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15554 @ 0.00035398 = 5.5058 BTC [+] [22:49]
asciilifeform (i don't know anyone who didn't first run into it in p&p) [22:49]
mircea_popescu "In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th [22:51]
mircea_popescu ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned [22:51]
mircea_popescu above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. " [22:51]
mircea_popescu lawl. this guy misread so much of recent history i'm giving up on reading it. [22:51]
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asciilifeform phun phakt: usg really did come out with a 'standard' cpu! [22:53]
asciilifeform around same time as ada '83 [22:53]
asciilifeform the only present-day manufacturers are chinese [22:54]
asciilifeform (and are also the only, afaik, remaining users...) [22:54]
asciilifeform 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious. [22:54]
mircea_popescu yup [22:54]
asciilifeform so dead, was snipped from gcc [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00034181 = 2.1442 BTC [-] [22:57]
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mod6 so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify. [23:06]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/ [23:06]
mod6 what's changed? 1) added some checks to see if boost,bdb,openssl are already built, if so, skip re-downloading & building 2) added a 'clean' command line parameter so you don't have to do this manually [23:07]
mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX [23:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed76Va ) [23:07]
asciilifeform mod6: neato. incidentally that's what, traditionally, 'make' is for [23:08]
* asciilifeform was simply too lazy to write a proper 'makefile' [23:08]
mod6 yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh` [23:08]
mod6 :] [23:08]
asciilifeform 'make' simply doesn't react well to being called from 'make'. [23:09]
asciilifeform (why? because retarded, don't ask me) [23:09]
asciilifeform that's why my orig. thing was a .sh [23:09]
mod6 yeah, makefiles are touchy [23:10]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc [23:10]
asciilifeform though it's kinda a sad joke [23:11]
asciilifeform (compare 'physical settlement' in btc to gold, etc) [23:11]
mircea_popescu "hook" is being generous. [23:12]
decimation asciilifeform: if make is so terrible, why is it ubiquitous? [23:14]
decimation it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does [23:14]
mod6 so if you have a linux machine, and you want to help test, read this: http://dpaste.com/17V9VKB [23:14]
assbot dpaste: 17V9VKB ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3eHft ) [23:14]
decimation mod6: you could have enumerated in octal and saved a few characters :) [23:15]
mod6 fair. ;) [23:16]
asciilifeform decimation: there are plenty of 'crackpot' alternatives ('cmake', 'bake', .... 1001 others) but guess what [23:16]
decimation I kinda like scons [23:17]
decimation shitgnomery? [23:17]
mircea_popescu decimation no. jwzery. this attitude whereby one's excused from political involvement. [23:19]
mircea_popescu "so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here." [23:19]
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mircea_popescu "so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?! [23:21]
mircea_popescu not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort. [23:21]
danielpbarron mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt [23:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3ffCe ) [23:22]
mod6 huh. [23:23]
mod6 thanks for testing [23:23]
mod6 ima invite you to #btcf [23:23]
* Cannot join #btcf (Channel is invite only). [23:23]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:23]
mircea_popescu sikrits!~ [23:23]
mod6 we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :) [23:24]
decimation i want the noise [23:24]
mircea_popescu up to you. i dun think it's yet unwelcome. [23:24]
decimation mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected [23:24]
mircea_popescu well sure. [23:25]
mircea_popescu what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e. [23:25]
mod6 ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then... [23:25]
mod6 but i don't ever get that error... although, someone else has seen it before iirc. [23:25]
asciilifeform same modulus! [23:25]
decimation mod6: i'm running into a bad sig error too [23:25]
decimation virgin gpg db [23:26]
danielpbarron oh i just realized that the script potentially uses a different key than the one i have stored [23:26]
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mod6 it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/ [23:27]
mod6 unless you ran it from ~/ [23:27]
mircea_popescu ;;ud cuckcake [23:28]
gribble http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuckcake | Η λέξηcuckcake δεν έχει οριστεί. Μπορείς να την ορίσεις;. * Meaning. Τυχαία Λέξη. Μόδα. duff · bae · fuck boy · bdsm · cleveland steamer · dirty sanchez · angry ... [23:28]
mod6 did you guys make new dirs to build this stuff in? [23:28]
mircea_popescu heh [23:28]
danielpbarron yes [23:28]
mod6 what does `gpg --version` say? [23:29]
decimation I'm using 2.0.14 (comes with centos 6) [23:29]
danielpbarron gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 [23:30]
mod6 hmm, still, should be ok. i just re-ran on my side and got: >> Signature verified for bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig [23:30]
mod6 one sec. [23:31]
decimation :signature packet: algo 1, keyid B98228A001ABFFC7 [23:31]
mod6 what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature" [23:32]
danielpbarron i checked it manually [23:32]
mod6 OH [23:33]
decimation Importing public keys to .gnupg keyring... [23:33]
decimation Verifing patch signatures.. [23:33]
decimation Error! Possible bad signature on: [23:33]
decimation ~/bitcoin-v009/build/chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig [23:33]
asciilifeform wat [23:33]
mod6 oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10 [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70849 @ 0.00035393 = 25.0756 BTC [+] [23:33]
decimation asciilifeform: try it on your gentoo box [23:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24823 @ 0.00035394 = 8.7859 BTC [+] {2} [23:34]
mircea_popescu you know it's be so great if someone made a client that auto-pastebinned [23:35]
mod6 i suppose it could be some weird regex failure... although, what danielpbarron pasted as a manual verify should have matched this: [23:35]
mod6 313 if($_ =~ /^.*Good signature.*$/) { [23:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93636 @ 0.00036156 = 33.855 BTC [+] {6} [23:35]
asciilifeform b.sh: line 2: $'
': command not found 		[23:36]
asciilifeform and buncha similar. [23:36]
decimation I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log [23:36]
mod6 can you post those decimation? [23:36]
mod6 asciilifeform: what script was that? [23:36]
asciilifeform the one in question [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226241 @ 0.00036729 = 83.0961 BTC [+] {2} [23:36]
mod6 the perl script? [23:37]
asciilifeform sh [23:37]
decimation http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ [23:37]
assbot dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 ) [23:37]
asciilifeform does not run at all on my box [23:37]
mod6 oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code [23:37]
mod6 (build-v009.pl) [23:37]
asciilifeform i mean, my 'sh' won't swallow it. [23:37]
trinque that it's $HOME maybe? [23:37]
trinque gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring [23:37]
asciilifeform Ah [23:38]
decimation it's a little weird to use $HOME that isn't $HOME [23:38]
asciilifeform there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing [23:38]
asciilifeform WTF [23:38]
mod6 decimation: fair. i'll change that next time through. [23:38]
asciilifeform did 'pastebin' crap that in ? [23:38]
asciilifeform there's CR LF's in there [23:38]
decimation lol in my dpaste? [23:38]
* asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' [23:39]
mod6 root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# xxd build-v009.pl | grep "0d0a" [23:39]
asciilifeform in http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ [23:39]
mod6 root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# [23:39]
assbot dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 ) [23:39]
mod6 yeah, must be pastebin :/ [23:39]
mod6 sorry [23:39]
asciilifeform dos2unix fixes. [23:39]
asciilifeform but let all remember. [23:39]
decimation asciilifeform: everything feels free to mangle a passing cr I guess [23:39]
mod6 i use pastebin more often because it does forever-pastes .. guess.. i just have to set dpaste for a year [23:40]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055 [23:40]
assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people [23:40]
assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits [23:40]
trinque ^LOL [23:40]
mod6 :] [23:40]
decimation ^also randomly insert chars [23:40]
asciilifeform so far the deps are grinding [23:41]
mod6 decimation: huh, just looked at that error. must be something with 2.x version i'll have to fix0r. [23:41]
mod6 can you change expiry on that guy for like 1 year? [23:41]
decimation yeah obviously some kind of permission problem [23:41]
decimation for the dpaste? [23:41]
mod6 plz [23:41]
decimation done [23:42]
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mod6 if you run it again and you don't have $FULL_CLEAN set to "TRUE", you'll need to delete ~/build/.gnupg manually. [23:42]
mircea_popescu * asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' << kakobrekla said we're supposed to use dpaste. [23:43]
mod6 ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol. [23:43]
asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX << and i meant this [23:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BymQRE ) [23:43]
asciilifeform not the output [23:43]
asciilifeform but that was probably clear. [23:43]
asciilifeform betcha 'dpaste' takes a fat shit in there all the same [23:44]
asciilifeform but somebody test if want to [23:44]
asciilifeform it's building 'openssl' on my box now. and probably will for a few hrs, it's a slow box [23:44]
decimation mod6: I set $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" and it didn't do anything different [23:45]
decimation I blew away build/.gnupg [23:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71419 @ 0.00036213 = 25.863 BTC [-] {3} [23:46]
mod6 here's that same script in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/36249E3 [23:46]
assbot dpaste: 36249E3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3hQft ) [23:46]
mod6 decimation: ok. that's fine. not sure what it's deal is. [23:46]
mod6 thanks for giving it a shot. [23:46]
decimation no problem [23:46]
decimation it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit [23:47]
mod6 eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway. [23:47]
mod6 i'll use it to patch the source code, then i'll bundle up the release. [23:47]
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mod6 everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose [23:48]
mod6 it seems, everyone has a mixed bag so it's hard to account for all of that i think. [23:49]
decimation yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass [23:49]
mod6 asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right? [23:51]
mod6 http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB98228A001ABFFC7 [23:51]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3iedJ ) [23:51]
mod6 decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. [23:54]
mod6 oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there. [23:54]
decimation lemme try [23:54]
mod6 and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too [23:55]
mod6 so centos6 might have issues if gpg 2.x, so maybe i just need to get my head out of my ass and add some code for that. [23:55]
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