Forum logs for 11 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00086478 = 15.566 BTC [+] {2}	[00:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 472 @ 0.00299354 = 1.413 BTC [+] {5}	[00:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC	[00:18]
dub	Looking for answer to question -- also looking for extending outsourced network team	[00:18]
dub	PM for details -- projects are per-job basis split 50% overhead / 50% direct to you, no taxes withheld, payout in BTC, PayPal, or my elance, odesk, or freelancer acct.	[00:19]
dub	from a network vendor channel	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00086609 = 8.1846 BTC [+]	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	nice	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00086408 = 16.6335 BTC [-] {2}	[00:24]
Apocalyptic	where would I go for some long term LTC loan ?	[00:29]
kanzure	dub: where's that?	[00:29]
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thestringpuller	can I get a 1000 btc loan	[00:31]
thestringpuller	will repay in 10 years	[00:32]
thestringpuller	need for mortgage	[00:32]
thestringpuller	k thx by	[00:32]
thestringpuller	bai*	[00:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00307734 = 0.1292 BTC [-] {5}	[00:42]
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jborkl	Bitcointalk gets better and better- now the discussion in the Activemining thread values the Amazing company at 1.85 Billion USD	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	basically it's s.mpoe x2, whatever that may be ?	[00:45]
jborkl	seems amazing to me	[00:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:45]
Apocalyptic	wait	[00:45]
Apocalyptic	1.85 Billion, that's a joke	[00:46]
jborkl	and Havelock only needs to IPO 8 more things to be amazing	[00:46]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:46]
Kleeck_	It should be a joke.	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.0008636 = 7.5997 BTC [-]	[00:46]
Apocalyptic	i get so much IPO spam from Havelock...	[00:46]
jborkl	Nothing on the forum is a joke, somewhere someone thinks it is so...	[00:47]
Apocalyptic	the last one 2 hours ago : "Seedcoin Fund is the first global seed-stage Bitcoin startup fund. The funds in bitcoin raised through this public offering will be invested in a portfolio of Bitcoin startups to be incubated by Seedcoin"	[00:47]
jborkl	did you read the "incubated" amazing companies	[00:47]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:47]
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Apocalyptic	I did	[00:48]
jborkl	sounds promising :/	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	what exactly makes anyone think seedcoin knows the first thing about "incubating" ?	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	why not succubate, while at it.	[00:49]
Apocalyptic	the only one that may be legit is Moneero	[00:49]
benkay	who knows, Hive might actually make a usable OS X wallet.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	all the no-name noobs with complicated models. the unmitigated audacity of it all, nobody fucking heard of starting small, everyone thinks they're born straight to the top of the food chain	[00:49]
jborkl	Well, it has the word seed in it, so they have to know by default	[00:49]
jborkl	cause if I name myself El Jefe, I have to be the man	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	it's getting old	[00:51]
benkay	not as old as you	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	benkay how much money do you think there is in making an osx wallet ?	[00:51]
benkay	BITBURN	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	10mn dollars ? 1 bn dollars ?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	10 cents ?	[00:51]
benkay	not a terrible lot	[00:52]
benkay	but i don't think end users should be managing their wallets in any event	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	kinda renders the entire point moot	[00:52]
benkay	enough money to sustain an individual on donations and freeware nagging	[00:52]
benkay	in cambodia.	[00:53]
jborkl	Who uses a mac anyway, we can boot them all off of IRC with one ﲬ	[00:53]
benkay	a rather large chunk of the 'computer' using population.	[00:53]
benkay	although if apple gets their way with the jailed platforms one won't be able to actually run a bitcoin client on any OS X instance.	[00:54]
benkay	a friend and i came up with an amusing scenario where the refusal to play with bitcoin drives apple out of the mobile game	[00:54]
pankkake	the general hating freedom thing does	[00:55]
kanzure	i think bitcoin people will make a patent defense fund and nuke apple from orbit instead	[00:55]
kanzure	e.g. some sort of defensive patent fund	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	benkay that amusing scenario is s.mg policy.	[00:55]
dub	well like mtgox it seems no amount of failure will shake loose the diehards	[00:55]
kanzure	the reason that apple doesn't want cryptocurrencies on ios is related to mobile payments and their own ios5 wallet system	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361664.msg3889871#msg3889871 point in case.	[00:56]
jborkl	you just reminded me to see if my micro AWS was done DL the block chain	[00:56]
kanzure	and everyone and their mom filed patents on sending payments over mobile phones etc	[00:56]
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benkay	kanzure: and that 30% rake.	[00:56]
kanzure	oh yeah, the rake	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	i seen the future and there's no apple in it.	[00:56]
kanzure	i'm not sure how much of that 30% is going to liabilities	[00:56]
jborkl	4 days and 90% done	[00:57]
jborkl	smokin	[00:57]
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kanzure	jborkl: are you using a torrent?	[00:57]
jborkl	no, well I hooked it up to one of my nodes	[00:57]
jborkl	so yes	[00:57]
jborkl	so kinda, it is the free tier so I just wanted to see how it does	[00:58]
dub	mircea_popescu: is it lost on you/her that trying to help people who are beyond help is a less pleasurable way of fucking your own ass?	[00:58]
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dub	seems like so much effort expended for so little potential reward	[00:59]
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benkay	so much effort and so many buttcorns all for the forumlols	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00086383 = 12.2664 BTC [+] {2}	[01:00]
benkay	grammar question	[01:02]
benkay	"trading on MPEx" or "trading on the MPEx"	[01:02]
dub	latter	[01:02]
dub	better yet "trading the bitcoin on the mpex"	[01:02]
thestringpuller	trading on the MPEx to get some sex	[01:03]
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Apocalyptic	word	[01:03]
benkay	one way it implies "trading on Mircea Popescu's Exchange"	[01:03]
benkay	the other way it's an exchange that happens to be named for MP ; "trading on the Mircea Popescu Exchange"	[01:03]
jurov	just use "the Exchange" :D	[01:04]
jurov	or _the_ Exchange	[01:04]
benkay	"the Exchange" it is.	[01:04]
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benkay	json	[01:06]
benkay	what an unmitigated fuckhole of a transmission format	[01:06]
benkay	"yes please put my longs in a string"	[01:06]
*	jurov giggles	[01:06]
jurov	or chuckles? can't decide	[01:07]
benkay	try tittering insanely	[01:07]
benkay	that always works for me, for some value of work.	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 732 @ 0.00299331 = 2.1911 BTC [+] {2}	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.0030755 = 0.4829 BTC [-] {6}	[01:10]
dub	;;ud tittering	[01:12]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tittering \| To loiter around the breasts. Physically or optically.	[01:12]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Tittering	[01:12]
benkay	;;ud titter	[01:12]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=titter \| Breasts that are abnormally large causing a man, who initially sees them, to get an immediate erection within his genital area.	[01:12]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: titter	[01:12]
jurov	there can be erecion outside genital area?	[01:12]
Bunnyh	can you get an erection elsewhere?	[01:13]
Bunnyh	lol	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	dub what's being said to idiots is usually said fo rthe benefit of third parties rather than the idiots themselves	[01:14]
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jurov	benkay: https://github.com/jurov/MPExAgent/blob/master/agent.py#L153 applies to whole rest of that function	[01:18]
jurov	hence, giggles	[01:18]
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benkay	wow mpsic twice in holdings that happens?	[01:18]
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benkay	or defensive programming?	[01:19]
jurov	with mpex anything can happen	[01:19]
benkay	i always get this feeling of impending doom when i see .aspx or .php	[01:19]
benkay	and am interacting with appliance on the other end of the wire	[01:20]
jurov	i have once seen inexplicable +0400 timezone in one stat, the previous and the next one were in +0000	[01:20]
jurov	for example	[01:20]
benkay	wow	[01:20]
benkay	WOW	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	benkay sup ?	[01:28]
benkay	hey boss	[01:29]
benkay	whatchu want?	[01:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0008644 = 5.3593 BTC [+]	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	wow wut ?	[01:31]
benkay	nuffin	[01:31]
benkay	saw some interesting error handling code in jurov's wrapper around the mpex api	[01:32]
jurov	what if i'm just trying to scare other wannabe brokers? :D	[01:33]
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benkay	no need to scare 'em jurov just keep 'em busy	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.305001 BTC [-]	[01:34]
mike_c	;;bc,stats	[01:34]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274239 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1952 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 13 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1034822487.37 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.92321	[01:35]
jurov	oh, mp manages that nicely	[01:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.30404036 = 2.4323 BTC [-] {5}	[01:35]
benkay	orly	[01:35]
jurov	mircea_popescu: did you update the faq on mkopt/split already?	[01:36]
jurov	so that it considers option lot	[01:36]
mike_c	proposed bitbet: "snackman will bet on the 1b difficulty bet after its decided"	[01:37]
benkay	badbet	[01:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00295 = 1.475 BTC [-]	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 566 @ 0.00294 = 1.664 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15975 @ 0.00086527 = 13.8227 BTC [+] {2}	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	jurov nope ;/	[01:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3030112 = 0.606 BTC [-]	[01:51]
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jurov	https://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/mpoe-options-update-cheatsheet beat you :)	[01:53]
ozbot	MPOE Options Update + Cheatsheet - Bitcoin Forum - The Unofficial Bitcoin Forum	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	hehe cool	[01:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3030055 = 0.606 BTC [-] {2}	[01:55]
thestringpuller	;;seen jurov	[01:55]
gribble	jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 minutes and 6 seconds ago: https://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/mpoe-options-update-cheatsheet beat you :)	[01:55]
jurov	thestringpullerrrrrrrr	[01:55]
thestringpuller	yoyo	[01:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.30080881 = 5.1137 BTC [-] {5}	[01:56]
Apocalyptic	"Since December 29, the options lot changed"	[01:57]
Apocalyptic	you're sure about the date jurov ?	[01:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.30002856 = 4.2004 BTC [-] {7}	[01:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0030543 = 0.3421 BTC [-] {7}	[01:57]
jurov	hahahaha now i see	[01:57]
jurov	fixed	[01:58]
benkay	;;ticker --market btcavg	[02:08]
gribble	BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 986.2, Best ask: 988.91, Bid-ask spread: 2.71000, Last trade: 986.01, 24 hour volume: 73623.76, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 939.64	[02:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29504006 = 1.4752 BTC [-] {3}	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	dude bitcoin back to 1k ?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	and all the experts that knew better!	[02:13]
bVector	any idea why my quiznos bet suggestion was rejected? I wanted to make some quick money with insider information :P	[02:13]
jurov	good i'm no expert	[02:14]
jurov	even my yesterday's option deal was rather jerkass	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	bVector was it a .25 zeroconf ?	[02:15]
bVector	it was .25, did it not confirm?	[02:19]
benkay	profit for calls on a lotsize: ((spot - strike) / strike) * lotsize) - buyprice	[02:20]
benkay	y/n?	[02:20]
jurov	n	[02:20]
benkay	damn.	[02:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.00303002 = 0.7696 BTC [-] {3}	[02:21]
jurov	only if you convert the strike to full btc first	[02:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00302533 = 3.3279 BTC [-] {6}	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	bVector it was a mistake, submit again please.	[02:23]
jurov	benkay have you seen the cheatsheet above?	[02:24]
benkay	there is some value in working it out from first principles, jurov	[02:24]
jurov	ofc :) just to have something to compare	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	And FreeBSD makes the sane decision to tell Intel and Via's hardware RNGs to STFU http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/	[02:27]
bVector	mircea_popescu: submitted and funded again (unconfirmed so far)	[02:29]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that one was a double whammy of sorts	[02:29]
asciilifeform	notice what they did instead.	[02:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC	[02:30]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Yeah the now feed the borked RNG data through a borked schneier algo	[02:30]
asciilifeform	good, i don't need to draw a picture.	[02:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]	[02:31]
asciilifeform	'good cop / bad cop.' old as time.	[02:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00305668 = 0.2293 BTC [+] {3}	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It almost seems like the Bitcoin Dev's "X.509 is perfect for signing payment requests" in spite of all of the times CAs have signed certs purporting to be controlled by one party while actually having been controlled by another party. The biggest difference is the FreeBSD devs might actually not know better.	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]	[02:37]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the motivations of people who try to bring PKI to bitcoin are no secret.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	i can't help but imagine some fellow at Meta-NSA, with a pill against ECDSA hidden under a flower pot in his office, laughing his arse off at these morons.	[02:40]
asciilifeform	(Meta-NSA is the Shangri-La where they keep the real cryptographers.)	[02:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://satoshirat.com/	[02:48]
ozbot	SatoshiRat	[02:48]
asciilifeform	yet another 'crack our RNG plz' contest?	[02:48]
asciilifeform	aren't there quite enough of those?	[02:49]
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benkay	it's marginally better than that	[02:49]
benkay	it has an rpg/depletion aspect	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	and no house edge supposedly.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	no way for you to verify that it doesnt seem like	[02:50]
asciilifeform	https://blockchain.info/address/1DTiiobTw8LTFwCRoVVCg1gYeBfe4tzyHN	[02:53]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1DTiiobTw8LTFwCRoVVCg1gYeBfe4tzyHN	[02:53]
asciilifeform	not bad	[02:53]
asciilifeform	when do we get 'SatoshiRoach'	[02:53]
asciilifeform	and why only augmentations. let the chumps buy ratpoison for a selected enemy rat.	[02:54]
asciilifeform	there is no mystery where the house edge is.	[02:55]
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asciilifeform	since the author set the rules, he knows exactly how to optimize a rat.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	so he can collect the edge while appearing to be merely one of the players.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	if someone wises up, the rules will change.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	basic 'chumpatron.'	[02:56]
asciilifeform	straight from the analogue meatspace world.	[02:56]
asciilifeform	of the 'faux game of skill' species.	[02:56]
asciilifeform	modern people, who've never heard of carnival games, fall for the most basic shams imaginable.	[02:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.16 = 0.32 BTC [+]	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	there does seem to be a disproportionate population of carnies in bitcoin	[02:59]
dub	you'd know	[03:00]
asciilifeform	from both sides of the stand.	[03:00]
asciilifeform	someone could probably squeeze out a meager living from cracking these chumpatrons.	[03:01]
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asciilifeform	curiously absent are: actual games of skill. where is SatoshiChess or SatoshiGo?	[03:03]
mike_c	AI challenges..	[03:04]
benkay	with betting	[03:04]
asciilifeform	well, the former.	[03:04]
benkay	why not SatoshiGo?	[03:04]
benkay	and how the heck does bitcoin play into either go or chess?	[03:04]
asciilifeform	because a serious player can beat the state-of-the-art machine there.	[03:04]
asciilifeform	benkay: easily enough. let people play for btc, collect fixed commission.	[03:05]
benkay	play versus each other with a stake?	[03:05]
asciilifeform	right. just like on park benches.	[03:05]
benkay	why does chess work in this scenario and not go?	[03:06]
asciilifeform	go works. chess devolves to AI contest.	[03:06]
benkay	gotcha	[03:06]
asciilifeform	in case that wasn't clear.	[03:06]
benkay	i r idiots	[03:07]
asciilifeform	go would produce a dual-tiered situation, with a population of idiots running machines against each other, and pros who clean them out at their leisure.	[03:07]
benkay	parsed "the former" as referring to games of skill	[03:07]
benkay	and chess	[03:07]
benkay	potentially a third tier too, augmented pros.	[03:08]
asciilifeform	right.	[03:08]
dub	you could do an irc/wot/pug4btc type thing	[03:08]
benkay	a chaotic upper zone with good players and good computers but bad process with bad players and good computers and good process, to mangle a thing someone once said.	[03:08]
dub	used to play cstrike pick up games organised by an IRC bot	[03:08]
asciilifeform	no point in 'policing' the arena for AI, i've met people who play rather like machines.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	let the race 'be to the swiftest.'	[03:09]
benkay	could always implement turn time limits	[03:09]
asciilifeform	alternatively, one could set up a contest explicitly for machines.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	see 'CoreWars.'	[03:10]
dub	http://pugbot.com/ should be trivial to plug btc into that	[03:10]
ozbot	PUGBOT - Brought to you by the Community	[03:10]
nubbins`	benkay: even a moderately skilled go player can beat a computer	[03:10]
nubbins`	not even a pro	[03:11]
nubbins`	it's too complex	[03:11]
benkay	nubbins` u so far behind again	[03:11]
benkay	tryna learn me about deterministic gameplay	[03:11]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: correct. there's been some brouhaha about go ai, but it pertains mainly to games on undersized boards.	[03:11]
nubbins`	nod	[03:11]
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nubbins`	i mean, it was only within the past 5-10 years that checkers was solved	[03:12]
asciilifeform	(monte-carlo style searches, or even classical - e.g. A* work quite well on 9x9 board.)	[03:12]
benkay	"Weak human + machine + better process was superior to a strong computer alone and, more remarkably, superior to a strong human + machine + inferior process."	[03:12]
benkay	http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/feb/11/the-chess-master-and-the-computer/	[03:12]
ozbot	The Chess Master and the Computer by Garry Kasparov \| The New York Review of Books	[03:12]
nubbins`	i recall some years ago a guy was pitting an AMD cpu vs an intel cpu in a game of chess	[03:13]
asciilifeform	a 'strong human' in this context is simply one who knows how to use his machine correctly.	[03:13]
nubbins`	two different chess programs running on each, so 4 combinations of cpu/software	[03:13]
asciilifeform	think 'knife fight' rather than 'boxing match.'	[03:13]
nubbins`	unsurprisingly, it came down to the software and not the cpu.	[03:13]
benkay	asciilifeform: that's wrapping up human skill at game with human skill at computer	[03:14]
asciilifeform	when you can use machines at your leisure, it's a somewhat different game that you're playing.	[03:14]
benkay	indeed.	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Seems like for chess 0.06 BTC per competitor is roughly the cost of turning match outcomes into coinflips this year http://www.hiarcs.com/pc-chess-deep-junior.htm	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Though I imagine some people would spend more to get Rybka	[03:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.003 = 0.294 BTC [-] {2}	[03:15]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: play a game in a bit?	[03:16]
asciilifeform	SatoshiGo is a far better idea	[03:16]
asciilifeform	no turning hardware straight into match outcomes, there.	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Sure	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {5}	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.308 BTC [+]	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {4}	[03:17]
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Ogedei	whats the chan with only ticker again?	[03:28]
benkay	-trades	[03:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00086684 = 50.7968 BTC [+] {3}	[03:29]
Ogedei	thanks	[03:29]
benkay	well	[03:29]
benkay	-assets-trades	[03:29]
Ogedei	ya got it	[03:29]
kanzure	tell me other channels	[03:29]
benkay	.1btc per channel i suggest	[03:29]
nubbins`	-pit	[03:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3019999 = 0.604 BTC [-]	[03:30]
kanzure	[freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #bitcoin-pit (You have joined to too many channels)	[03:30]
kanzure	fucking freenode	[03:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 80 @ 0.02088942 = 1.6712 BTC [-] {10}	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01682315 = 1.6823 BTC [-] {5}	[03:32]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: flip a ;;coin, i call heads	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Heads	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2922 = 0.5844 BTC [-]	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]	[03:33]
mike_c	;;coin	[03:33]
gribble	tails	[03:33]
mike_c	you both lose	[03:33]
nubbins`	haha	[03:33]
benkay	pretty sure BingoBoingo just actually flipped a coin.	[03:33]
nubbins`	ah, that makes more sense	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, I forgot Gribble could	[03:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.295 = 2.655 BTC [+]	[03:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.155 = 2.945 BTC [+]	[03:34]
nubbins`	1. d4	[03:34]
nubbins`	if anyone wants to play along, grab a board	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	d5	[03:34]
nubbins`	2. c3	[03:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30598665 = 0.918 BTC [+] {2}	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	Nf6	[03:35]
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nubbins`	3. f4	[03:36]
dub	kanzure: um	[03:36]
dub	kanzure: freenode has a retarderly high chanlimit	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	Bf5	[03:37]
Ogedei	havelock just go down?	[03:38]
nubbins`	4. Nd2	[03:38]
kanzure	dub: it seems to be 200	[03:38]
benkay	SELL SELL	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would you be in 200 chans	[03:39]
nubbins`	200 chans, lel	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	i'm in like 2, of which one's mine	[03:39]
nubbins`	#mircea_popescu	[03:39]
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BingoBoingo	e6	[03:39]
kanzure	because i actually contribute to these projects?	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	nah, #trilema	[03:39]
kanzure	and it's useful to communicate with the people i work with ?	[03:39]
kanzure	fuck off	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	crazy	[03:39]
nubbins`	oooo!	[03:39]
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kanzure	yeah.	[03:40]
benkay	that's a lot of things across which to split ones attention	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i thought i'm overdoing irc. i guess not.	[03:40]
kanzure	benkay: i have a high capacity for attention i think	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	a big amount of attention right over here.	[03:41]
benkay	methinks the lady etc etc	[03:41]
kanzure	maybe our two attentions can merge together	[03:41]
nubbins`	what, again with the docking?	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:41]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: sorry, didnt notice your last move	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: e6	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	btw, any of you gonna play rift ? i'm sort of considering making a guild	[03:42]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: 5. e3	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	c5	[03:42]
nubbins`	6. Qa4	[03:43]
nubbins`	+	[03:43]
benkay	mircea when future lot sizes change we can expect the collateral required for puts to change at the same time riiiiight?	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	Nc6	[03:44]
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benkay	(lot sizes for options...)	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	roughly.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[03:44]
benkay	writing a thing	[03:45]
nubbins`	7. Nf3	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	c4	[03:46]
nubbins`	8. b4	[03:46]
benkay	oh and also mircea_popescu there's some secret padding in the call collateral requirements not mentioned in the faq, correct?	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	a6	[03:47]
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nubbins`	9. Ne5	[03:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02099999 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}	[03:48]
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asciilifeform	in other news: latest word is that NSA spies on... WoW.	[03:48]
nubbins`	next thing we'll find out they were the flying dicks in SL	[03:49]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/10/us/politics/games-docs.html?_r=0	[03:49]
benkay	nubbins`: there was something making the rounds about spies spying on spies in SL.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	Bxe5	[03:49]
asciilifeform	gotta be fictional, to discredit other leaks	[03:49]
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asciilifeform	authored by literature team at Meta-NSA.	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	Wait nubbins` I got your Knight mixed	[03:50]
nubbins`	i've got your.. yeah	[03:50]
nubbins`	your bishop is on f5	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	benkay put	[03:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.29088613 = 3.7815 BTC [-] {7}	[03:51]
benkay	>.<	[03:51]
benkay	that's what i meant.	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Bf7	[03:52]
nubbins`	10. b5	[03:53]
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asciilifeform	This is pure gold: "Monitoring strategy games like Counterstrike can be an effective way to track individual skill levels in firearms, tactical operations, group cohesion, leadership, etc."	[03:53]
asciilifeform	(p. 14)	[03:54]
nubbins`	gov't employees spying on 14yo kids calling each other fags and lobbing grenades	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: a6xb5	[03:54]
jborkl	Counterstrike, how fucking out of date is that doc	[03:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.30943748 = 2.4755 BTC [+] {5}	[03:55]
nubbins`	11. Qxb5!	[03:55]
jborkl	You suck camper, I am going to report you to them in and get you banned faggot	[03:55]
nubbins`	^	[03:56]
jborkl	Admin	[03:56]
nubbins`	son, uncle sam wants to have a word	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: 0-0	[03:56]
dub	jesus	[03:56]
dub	no wonder they are after me	[03:56]
jborkl	Pwned.nl ftw for the NSA	[03:56]
dub	I am the god of FPS	[03:56]
nubbins`	12. h3	[03:57]
dub	you know this is all about some NSA kids justifying getting paid to play games	[03:57]
benkay	i find that the more plausible story.	[03:58]
benkay	their superiors look at the proposal and say "sure. nice distraction."	[03:58]
benkay	then some new poor soul gets hired on to the team, can't figure out why no 'work' is happening and starts writing reports.	[03:58]
asciilifeform	p. 35. geocaching.	[03:58]
asciilifeform	wait till they learn about bitcoin...	[03:58]
benkay	who's the NSA stooge in -assets?	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: NxNe5	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Best to assume we all are	[03:59]
benkay	MPEx: honeypot.	[03:59]
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jborkl	Kako	[03:59]
asciilifeform	'The Man Who Was Thursday' !	[03:59]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: 13. Be2	[04:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]	[04:01]
jborkl	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366357.0	[04:01]
ozbot	Help Develop a New Pool 0.1% Fee Open Source Merged Mining	[04:01]
jborkl	Really one of you guys needs to help. He is broke	[04:02]
jborkl	:/	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Nd3+	[04:02]
jborkl	Heh, maybe he could apply to seedcoin	[04:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]	[04:03]
nubbins`	nice one	[04:04]
nubbins`	14. Bxd3	[04:04]
asciilifeform	seedcoin? is that the last little bit you needed to plant next year's btc crop, that the Reds confiscate when they dekulakize you?	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: BxBd3	[04:05]
jborkl	I guess the hippies and Amish would like seedcoin, renewable and all	[04:06]
asciilifeform	afaik there are crackpot 'proof of stake' altchains where seedcoin actually exists	[04:06]
asciilifeform	(you need some to mine any)	[04:06]
nubbins`	15. Bb2	[04:08]
BingoBoingo	Ne4	[04:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02415426 = 0.1691 BTC [+] {4}	[04:10]
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nubbins`	16. Rd1	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	Bh4+	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	so who's winning ?	[04:12]
dub	asciilifeform: in the case of the famous one, its pow bootstrapped	[04:13]
dub	(peercoin)	[04:13]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: h's pawn is on 3	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeterminate at this time nubbins` is down a bishop though	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I know. I'm not taking the pawn but imposing check	[04:13]
dub	nubbins` is down with bishops?	[04:13]
nubbins`	ha! sorry	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	It's cool	[04:14]
nubbins`	actually, that's the game right there	[04:15]
nubbins`	congrats	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You can still move g3, but then Bxge++	[04:16]
nubbins`	17. g3, Bxg3++	[04:16]
nubbins`	nod	[04:16]
nubbins`	gg	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	gg	[04:16]
nubbins`	shouldnt have moved that rook	[04:16]
nubbins`	stupid move	[04:16]
nubbins`	even without the bishop moving	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	Yeah. That would have left you king some room.	[04:16]
nubbins`	honestly i was expecting Rxa2	[04:17]
nubbins`	soon as i hit enter, i said whoops	[04:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00292183 = 5.8437 BTC [-] {3}	[04:17]
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BingoBoingo	Nah, nubbins if I would have moved that rook it would have been to challenge the queen by going to a5	[04:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 810 @ 0.00291 = 2.3571 BTC [-]	[04:18]
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nubbins`	almost moved that queen to b7	[04:20]
nubbins`	more for the escalation than anything ;(	[04:20]
nubbins`	42 minutes, not bad	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I was expecting you to do that eventually. Planned to ignore it unless you could get other pieces to back it up though. If you could have got an unobstructed rook on b1 to back Qxb7 that would have been concerning	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Final position is here: http://imgur.com/UFC5wGk if anyone is inerested.	[04:22]
nubbins`	that's upside down ;)	[04:23]
nubbins`	j/k	[04:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6969 @ 0.00087059 = 6.0671 BTC [+] {2}	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1531 @ 0.00087087 = 1.3333 BTC [+]	[04:25]
nubbins`	https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfu11uljk3kjbcs/chess.svg	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: One benefit of playing on IRC is you can sit or stand facing any side of the board you want	[04:26]
nubbins`	^ if anyone wants an inkscape chessboard	[04:26]
nubbins`	yeah, true	[04:26]
Kleeck_	and a keylogger ^^	[04:26]
nubbins`	i get to undo and redo ;D	[04:26]
nubbins`	easier than sorting thru the history	[04:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.31022498 = 3.1022 BTC [+] {3}	[04:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 100 @ 0.0077 = 0.77 BTC	[04:41]
kakobrekla	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPSNjXSSRQ	[04:41]
ozbot	Get The Money--Goran Bregovic- feat. Iggy Pop. - YouTube	[04:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.09665631 = 1.8365 BTC [-] {8}	[04:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 51 @ 0.02050019 = 1.0455 BTC [-] {2}	[04:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.311 = 3.11 BTC [+]	[04:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]	[04:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15589999 = 0.3118 BTC [+]	[04:49]
thestringpuller	wow bitcoin store is unusable	[04:49]
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nubbins`	https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2pqx5192dffuya/chess2.svg even	[04:51]
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thestringpuller	i've been hearing that phrase a lot	[04:52]
thestringpuller	"Get the money"	[04:52]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[04:54]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274258 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1933 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 3 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1017248703.44 \| Estimated Percent Change: 11.98852	[04:55]
thestringpuller	Gangsta	[04:55]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: you still there?	[04:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[04:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[05:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2881 @ 0.00289298 = 8.3347 BTC [-] {7}	[05:05]
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mod6	;;bc,stats	[05:06]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274260 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1931 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 14 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 999416555.98 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.02539	[05:06]
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mike_c	2 slow blocks.. not what we need.	[05:08]
mike_c	when is that cellphone-miner company launching? hopefully in the next 10 days.	[05:09]
Sabroshi	you bet on Yes?	[05:09]
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mike_c	yeah, couple weeks ago. don't hate me bingoboingo.	[05:09]
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nubbins`	hi	[05:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02020002 = 0.1414 BTC [-] {2}	[05:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29201001 BTC [-]	[05:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00086348 = 12.1897 BTC [-]	[05:30]
asciilifeform	cellphone miner? i can only conclude that 'silk road' is back, and btc people are partaking of strong drug.	[05:31]
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mike_c	cellphone miner:	[05:40]
mike_c	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358242.msg3842580#msg3842580	[05:40]
ozbot	Next generation 14nm mining grid	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.02465101 = 0.6902 BTC [+] {2}	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]	[05:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]	[05:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]	[05:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02208887 = 0.1988 BTC [+] {2}	[06:02]
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mircea_popescu	;;bcstata	[06:14]
gribble	Error: "bcstata" is not a valid command.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	;;bcstats	[06:14]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274269 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1922 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1018349132.03 \| Estimated Percent Change: 12.10967	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 9.08350 * 1.1	[06:15]
gribble	9.99185	[06:15]
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thestringpuller	.d	[06:22]
thestringpuller	oh yea ozbot has me on ignore	[06:22]
Duffer1	.d	[06:22]
ozbot	908350862.43702 \| Next Diff in 1920 blocks \| Estimated Change: 13.4573% in 11d 12h 48m 4s	[06:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.30899999 = 0.618 BTC [+] {2}	[06:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [+]	[06:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00086547 = 1.5146 BTC [+]	[06:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18529 @ 0.00086695 = 16.0637 BTC [+]	[06:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086695 = 3.7279 BTC [+]	[07:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC	[07:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [+]	[07:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15799999 BTC [+]	[07:12]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[15:57]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[15:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00087477 = 12.2468 BTC [+] {2}	[15:58]
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Sabroshi	;;estimate	[16:15]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 1039124171.64 based on data since last change \| 894132728.373 based on data for last three days	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	oy Sabroshi cabron! como estas!	[16:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00290003 = 2.9 BTC [-] {3}	[16:18]
Sabroshi	Ola! Ola!	[16:18]
Sabroshi	;;nethash	[16:19]
gribble	6400549.04237	[16:19]
Sabroshi	still broken, nanotube knows tho	[16:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.137 BTC [+]	[16:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.0008742 = 12.1514 BTC [-]	[16:24]
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mircea_popescu	When Weinstein was charged with handling the US release of Princess Mononoke, he received a samurai sword in the mail with an attached note that read, "No cuts."	[16:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC	[16:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00087092 = 3.8573 BTC [-] {2}	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 332 @ 0.00287856 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {13}	[16:55]
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jurov	kakobrekla: http://www.kompot.sk/eshop/tricka/ludom-jebe-girl/ understand? want one?	[17:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30200005 BTC [-]	[17:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30200001 = 1.51 BTC [-] {3}	[17:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 571 @ 0.00289163 = 1.6511 BTC [-] {3}	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17204 @ 0.00087208 = 15.0033 BTC [+]	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n7hiuXjXJEw << ipo that crow!	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov cunny crew would have been a better name for a radical sewing circle.	[17:19]
jurov	oh, they prefer local spelling	[17:20]
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mircea_popescu	well then why "crew"	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	kundy krai	[17:22]
jurov	http://www.kompot.sk/eshop/tricka/naive-boy/	[17:22]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	you guys know anything about cex.io cloudhashing shares? i cant see how its profitable	[17:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	i must be doing something wrong	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	don't know anything that'd indicate it's profitable.	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02249999 = 0.2925 BTC [-]	[17:23]
jurov	ppl know what "kundy" and "crew" is. i had to look "cunny" up	[17:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	yea i ran the numbers it just doesnt make sense	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	jurov that's a point.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	i think kundy is exactly it tho, neh ? cutest way to say girlbit.	[17:24]
jurov	not sure if cutest... that would be "pička"	[17:25]
jurov	and it's plural, singular is kunda	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	romanian uses pizda but doesn't have a picka ;/	[17:26]
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pankkake	KRS\|Gotyawallet: they probably get their success from the referal program	[17:29]
pankkake	if you want any chance of profit, you have to spam	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	so it's a... mlm thing ?	[17:30]
pankkake	I think there's only one level, but it certainly smells like it	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	slm	[17:31]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	pankkake do they think people are stupid	[17:36]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	facepalm	[17:36]
pankkake	isn't it the first assumption when you create a btc investment?	[17:36]
pankkake	and yet I'm pretty sure they were cheaper than many that were around when they started	[17:37]
pankkake	kinda like TAT.VM	[17:38]
pankkake	at least it limits the scale of the overpricing… ?	[17:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30073334 = 1.8044 BTC [-] {3}	[17:39]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	yea i guess the only ones that were able to make anything of it are those who invested then reinvested their earnings a few times..back when btc was $200 there might have been a decent roi	[17:41]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	i was looking at them back then but it looked so scammy.	[17:42]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	oh wow gox went down hard like the old days	[17:43]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	i miss those days..cheap coin	[17:43]
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pankkake	She not only has delicious tits	[17:48]
pankkake	she has infamous wits	[17:48]
pankkake		[17:48]
pankkake	Her beautiful nose	[17:48]
pankkake	can't rival her insightful prose	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://your-daily-girl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Larissa-Riquelme-11.jpg	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	and she'd also look much better with a curly mustache	[17:50]
pankkake	is that supposed to be 3D?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	i think they just don't have nude beaches in paraguay	[17:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC	[17:54]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	btw if mpex sells cex shares, i meant their mining offering directly from them 1ghash .07 btc.. i wasn't talking about securities	[17:58]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	im looking to diversify a bit and pick up another investment	[17:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 54201 @ 0.00010738 = 5.8201 BTC [+] {13}	[18:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 18 @ 0.17327776 = 3.119 BTC [+] {10}	[18:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13999999 BTC [+]	[18:05]
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nubbins`	hi	[18:17]
Kleeck	http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/icelanders-overthrow-government-and-rewrite-constitution-after-banking-fraud-no-word-from-us-media/	[18:20]
ozbot	Icelanders Overthrow Government and Rewrite Constitution After Banking Fraud-No Word From US Media	[18:20]
nubbins`	Kleeck: that's months old	[18:22]
nubbins`	maybe even last year	[18:23]
Kleeck	Added by Rebecca Savastio on December 2, 2013.	[18:23]
Kleeck	I'm in the US, so this is the first I've heard of it. :D	[18:23]
nubbins`	yeah, she's writing about an event that happened last year :D	[18:23]
nubbins`	either way, interesting story	[18:23]
Kleeck	Yup.	[18:23]
Kleeck	Very.	[18:23]
nubbins`	An “iReport” on CNN, written by a private citizen in May 2012, has questioned the reasons why this revolution has not been widely covered in the U.S.	[18:23]
Kleeck	In the US we would be labeled as terrorists.	[18:24]
Kleeck	Yes. The revolution was post 2008 economic collapse.	[18:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11925 @ 0.00087305 = 10.4111 BTC [+] {2}	[18:30]
Rulother	keep up Kleeck	[18:30]
Rulother	Thats some old news	[18:30]
Kleeck	I understand that the event is old. The article is about more than just the overthrow.	[18:31]
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nubbins`	;;echo SO OLD LELELEL WHAT ARE YOU DOING :D	[18:33]
gribble	SO OLD LELELEL WHAT ARE YOU DOING :D	[18:33]
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pankkake	older than the internet!	[18:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00087598 = 13.3587 BTC [+] {3}	[18:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 2994 @ 0.000115 = 0.3443 BTC [-]	[18:44]
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manky	;;ticker	[18:50]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[18:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4622 @ 0.00088003 = 4.0675 BTC [+]	[18:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1166 @ 0.00011 = 0.1283 BTC [-] {2}	[18:58]
deadweasel	;;ticker	[19:00]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[19:00]
deadweasel	dammit gribs, lazy bot	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC [+]	[19:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00087549 = 1.4883 BTC [-]	[19:04]
deadweasel	;;ticker	[19:04]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[19:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.29249949 = 5.85 BTC [-] {5}	[19:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29209 = 2.3367 BTC [-] {2}	[19:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [+]	[19:27]
Kleeck	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/this-finance-expert-thinks-bitcoin-will-fall-99-percent-by-june/	[19:29]
ozbot	This finance expert thinks Bitcoin will fall 99 percent by June	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	lucky if it falls to 99%	[19:30]
Duffer1	even i could be able to afford to buy back in if that happens, that would be amazing	[19:30]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:30]
Duffer1	damn you assbot	[19:30]
pankkake	he probably hasn't the balls to bet on that though	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00293604 = 0.5872 BTC [+] {5}	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 61 @ 0.02434538 = 1.4851 BTC [+] {5}	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.143 = 0.715 BTC [+] {3}	[19:32]
deadweasel	make a bitbet, send to author	[19:33]
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ThickAsThieves	that article never bothers to make a point	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	TLDR: Bitcoin will die cuz it has the most support of any crypto and cuz it's volatile and crashed this week. Btw, where can I buy bitcoins again?	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	"bitcoin will die because it upsets the world i'm familiar with"	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	"the government will prevent bitcoin from upsetting the world i'm familiar with"	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	"people who better adapt to things that upset the world i'm familiar with never get better pay, more attention and a nicer life than me"	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	basically bitcoin is the anti-religion : it exposes the implicit bible of everyone else.	[19:43]
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Kleeck	Courtesy if deizel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00IjBdp-ZA	[19:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00087549 = 17.2034 BTC [-]	[19:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.292061 = 0.5841 BTC [-]	[19:55]
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Kleeck	http://imgur.com/R1v2xB5	[20:04]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[20:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087758 = 7.24 BTC [+]	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/	[20:15]
ozbot	Bitcoin will die pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16425 @ 0.00087445 = 14.3628 BTC [-] {3}	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00087356 = 7.054 BTC [-]	[20:20]
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deadweasel	$avg	[20:22]
mpexbot	deadweasel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[20:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.0008759 = 4.2481 BTC [+]	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	so romanian health ministry would not spring for a hospital in this small northern town. consequently, they changed the town name plaques on all the roads	[20:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29206066 = 0.8762 BTC [-] {2}	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	welcome to coas! drive carefully : we have six graveyards and not a single hospital	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	http://lauraspataru.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/coas_17906500.jpg	[20:26]
nubbins`	hahahaha	[20:27]
sbp	when we have to update signs in the UK, the councils complain that they cost too many hundreds of thousands of pounds to change. for the cost of changing those signs, maybe Coaș could have afforded a new hospital...	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	i doubt the whole story cost 5k	[20:29]
sbp	these days you can 3d print a hospital for 3k	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	!b 8	[20:29]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1500616/plain/)	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha	[20:29]
sbp	how's Cardano coming along, mircea_popescu? looking forward to it	[20:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05166332 = 0.31 BTC [+] {3}	[20:30]
sbp	I was reading asciilifeform's notes about RNG on Trilema earlier	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	well... work, you know ?	[20:31]
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sbp	yeah	[20:34]
sbp	give it a cognitive nudge of interest from me though	[20:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00284155 = 0.1591 BTC [-] {6}	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is actually waking up at night because of the thing.	[20:34]
sbp	heh! awesome. well, awesome inasmuch as it doesn't distract him from Loper... :-)	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	i have my doubts whether he's eating properly.	[20:35]
sbp	well hopefully he doesn't end up like Gödel	[20:35]
deadweasel	pay a local homeless man to keep an eye on him.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	wasn't godel the guy with two wives ?	[20:36]
sbp	not as far as I remember. logician who died of starvation because he believed he was being poisoned. (not very logical)	[20:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00255201 = 0.2144 BTC [-]	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	you're right, schroedinger had a girl with two women.	[20:38]
deadweasel	well, he kept one of them in a box, so it's debatable.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	no, he kept milton (his cat) in the box	[20:40]
sbp	haha, Schrödinger seriously had a cat named Milton? great	[20:40]
sbp	you know, Heisenberg had twins. well, his wife did	[20:41]
sbp	after she gave birth, Pauli congratulated Heisenberg on pair production	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:41]
sbp	should have asked him which was his favourite. he never could decide...	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh-county/index.ssf/2013/08/women_report_man_was_openly_ma.html	[20:43]
ozbot	Women report man openly performing sex act; he claims it was jock itch, cops say \| lehighvall	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	don't be a jock, the police are cracking down.	[20:43]
deadweasel	lol, my junk was itchy, now I'm in jail.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	i wasn't gonna scratch my cock	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	but then i got high... then i got high...	[20:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1445 BTC [+]	[20:49]
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Kleeck	Courtesy of Crunchyarms: http://imgur.com/lmHvt4R	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]	[20:50]
Kleeck	(Sidebar needs futher modification.)	[20:50]
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deadweasel	the thc irritates my crabs, sir.	[20:50]
deadweasel	don't tase me bro?	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	Kleeck still, an envelope ?	[20:51]
sbp	http://www.sparecoins.io/	[20:53]
sbp	keep a wallet in your browser	[20:53]
sbp	nothing can go wrong	[20:53]
sbp	nothing	[20:53]
Kleeck	Yeah. It took him 2 minutes. :) Still fits though, right. Mailing money?	[20:53]
Kleeck	Oh no.	[20:53]
Kleeck	http://imgur.com/UIScPVi	[20:53]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[20:53]
Kleeck	Even more.	[20:53]
dexX7	hehe	[20:53]
Kleeck	Again, courtesy Crunchyarms.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[20:54]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.bnd.com/2013/12/11/2954203/toddler-helps-county-decide-order.html	[20:58]
ozbot	Toddler helps county decide order of candidates on primary ballot \| Metro-east news \| News Democrat	[20:58]
dexX7	lol goat makes news on reddit.. "someone on 4chan bought a lambo with 216 btc"	[20:58]
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Kleeck	This is the dumbest video ever.	[20:59]
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thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[21:06]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274372 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1819 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 3 minutes, and 49 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1034198923.97 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.85457	[21:06]
nubbins`	i'm always pleasantly surprised by the price of things in btc	[21:06]
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nubbins`	like, i just realized a 3d printer is < 2 btc	[21:07]
nubbins`	what madness!	[21:07]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	wow	[21:09]
pankkake	sparecoins is aptly named	[21:09]
pankkake	;;estimate	[21:11]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 1036361795.11 based on data since last change \| 894132728.373 based on data for last three days	[21:11]
pankkake	I want to believe that last 3 days thing	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]	[21:11]
sbp	nubbins`: start thinking of prices in mBTC. then you can say almost exactly the same thing in a year or so	[21:11]
samson_	San1ty__ saulimus sbp Scrat sgnb skinnkavaj smickles smidge	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	haha well put sbp	[21:12]
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sbp	somebody needs to work on a media friendly name for µBTC	[21:14]
sbp	we'll never need nBTC, unless they split the Satoshi	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	urmomtc	[21:15]
sbp	media friendly, not 4chan friendly	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	o o sorry my bad	[21:15]
FabianB	why not skip all the steps inbetween and go with satoshi	[21:15]
nubbins`	^	[21:15]
pankkake	I've seen millibit	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	tbh, this mili and micro stuff is nonsense.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	we will use the 1/10000 unit	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	and the two sub units the cent and the millionth	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is base 2 not base 3.	[21:15]
nubbins`	why don't we just cobble together a series of retarded nonsensical names for all the different decimal places and use that?	[21:16]
nubbins`	100 glaps to the quighorc, etc	[21:17]
sbp	please call one the quatloo...	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	lol. mmorpg square	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	sbp actually the 10k one makes sense as a quatloo	[21:17]
sbp	deal	[21:17]
sbp	quick, mine a block with "10k = quatloo!!!" in it	[21:18]
nubbins`	you'll need to reverse the terms or add another = ;)	[21:18]
sbp	blockchain notes should be called Sassamen	[21:19]
nubbins`	anyway, i'd want some way to make money off a 3d printer before i could justify buying one	[21:19]
FabianB	chinese (and i think japanese too) has words and characters for 10^4 and 10^8, none for 10^6 though, so much better for satoshi/btc	[21:19]
nubbins`	otherwise it's just another thing i don't have space for	[21:19]
nubbins`	myriads	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	FabianB say them ?	[21:20]
FabianB	in pinyin 10^4 is 'wan' and 10^8 'yi'	[21:20]
kanzure	sbp: hi	[21:21]
nubbins`	korean has 10^2, 3, 4, 8, 12, and every +4 thereafter	[21:21]
sbp	hey kanzure	[21:21]
nubbins`	up to almost 10^100, i think	[21:21]
dexX7	tbh, this mili and micro stuff is nonsense. << well, it's easy to remember.. 1 millibit is approx 1 $	[21:21]
mike_c	nubbins`: sell snowflakes. http://www.shapeways.com/	[21:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008759 = 4.0291 BTC [+]	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00255201 = 0.37 BTC [-] {4}	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 not for long	[21:21]
sbp	(万 and 亿)	[21:21]
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dexX7	hehe	[21:22]
dexX7	i like when you are bullish (if you are)	[21:22]
nubbins`	10^4 units of korean won is about $10, so it's good they'd have a reasonably short name for it	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#identifier_4_47551 << for teh reference	[21:22]
ozbot	MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:22]
nubbins`	i don't think you're using the term "base" the way other people use it	[21:23]
FabianB	an mpex account is 30亿satoshi :)	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	the count of zeroes is also a number.	[21:24]
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nubbins`	30억 satoshi	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	30 亿s	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	i likethe sound of that	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	so 亿 is wan, which is the w part, the misshapen 1 or the insecure 2 ?	[21:26]
nubbins`	i agree on the half-length tho, i've been mentally digesting satoshi-denominated amounts this way to make sense of them for a while now	[21:27]
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nubbins`	chinese characters make no sense to me	[21:27]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: no, 亿 is 'yi' (10^8)	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	a a	[21:28]
nubbins`	korean is very logical, each block is a syllable composed of up to 3 sounds	[21:28]
pankkake	http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/	[21:28]
FabianB	wan is 10k and 万	[21:29]
sbp	nubbins`: I tried learning Hangul once. I had problems doing the aspirated p, for some reason. I kept practicing it, but whatever I did, I could not make that damn aspirated p sound. it was driving me insane, so I looked into it carefully	[21:29]
sbp	eventually I realised that all of my p's are aspirated!	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:30]
sbp	of course, then I had problems making a non-aspirated p...	[21:30]
nubbins`	heh. consonants are hard.	[21:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 99 @ 0.00209 = 0.2069 BTC [+]	[21:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC	[21:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30493107 BTC [+]	[21:30]
nubbins`	how many times would i have to repeat my address to the taxi driver 10 times	[21:31]
nubbins`	"남양 아파트!!"	[21:31]
nubbins`	eventually he says	[21:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0008759 = 2.9781 BTC [+]	[21:31]
nubbins`	"ahhhhh! 남양 아파트!!"	[21:31]
nubbins`	completely indistinguishable from what i was saying	[21:32]
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nubbins`	the double consonants are odd too	[21:32]
nubbins`	double d's and k's and stuff	[21:32]
sbp	yeah, faucalised	[21:33]
sbp	need to exercise your faucal cords, heh	[21:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 201 @ 0.002103 = 0.4227 BTC [+] {3}	[21:42]
dexX7	http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform check it out man, slave coin. it's happening.	[21:48]
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pigeons	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194655.0	[21:50]
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ozbot	[ANN] CPcoin, the first Child Friendly Coin	[21:50]
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dexX7	is "Child Pageant" a friendly phrase for child porn?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	in the sense mineral water is a friendly phrase for vodka	[21:52]
dexX7	hehe	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	i think child pageants is what soccer moms do after the thrill of control soccer provides is no longer enough	[21:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC {3}	[21:56]
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pankkake	child pageants attendance 50% soccer mons 50% paedos	[21:57]
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dexX7	i think the altcoin winner of the month is dogecoin	[21:59]
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dexX7	http://www.zazzle.com/official_dogecoin_t_shirt-235041754845982282 :D	[21:59]
ozbot	Official DOGECOIN T-Shirt from Zazzle.com	[21:59]
pankkake	lol	[21:59]
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asciilifeform	i expected DOGECOIN to involve old Venice / slave trade...	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	o wait. not just a logo, also a zazzle shirt ?	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	winner.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	wow it doesn't ? what a letdown.	[22:00]
pankkake	it's from a meme I never understood, but I loled anyway https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0	[22:00]
dexX7	haha yea, that's it	[22:00]
dexX7	most active altcoin thread for some days now	[22:01]
pankkake	fucking 46 pages lol	[22:01]
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pankkake	I'll buy the physical coins	[22:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 248 @ 0.00246126 = 0.6104 BTC [+] {2}	[22:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00275 = 0.275 BTC [+]	[22:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029436 = 0.103 BTC [-]	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00088012 = 6.4249 BTC [+] {2}	[22:08]
sbp	mircea_popescu: Knuth cheats at email, by the way	[22:10]
sbp	he sent an hilarious email to a team that a friend of mine was involved in, in about 2005 or so	[22:10]
sbp	but he got his secretary to send it... :-)	[22:10]
sbp	here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/0052.html	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	kinda like me and the forum.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	or the pope's 'twitter' account, etc.	[22:11]
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sbp	I love that they deleted all the old pope's tweets	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	who does the pope on twitter ? jesys ?	[22:12]
asciilifeform	richard stallman is also well known for having minions check his mail (and even load pages)	[22:12]
sbp	bet they didn't do that in the Vatican Library too. set fire to all of Benedict's papers	[22:13]
pigeons	well the idea of a secretary is that he/sh checks your mail so you can work	[22:13]
asciilifeform	division of labour. most of us pay other people to slaughter and gut animals for the table. what's the problem in doing the same with email, if you can afford it...	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	sbp at some point they used to.	[22:15]
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kanzure	sbp: would be nice if the pope starts using btc. then church finances become slightly more auditable.	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	Look folks, I know that software rot (sometimes called "progress")	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	keeps growing, and backwards compatibility is not always possible.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[22:20]
kanzure	that's just a clever way of saying "you do it"	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	he mirrors quite exacrtly why i quit caring about html validation and "validity" in general, circa 2007	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	blessfully ignorant of the guy's pov. but fuck you html standards people.	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	this is one of those situations where the spec may only grow. you're free to add css into the spec, but you are not allowed to "stop supporting" table elements or w/e	[22:23]
asciilifeform	http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war-old	[22:23]
ozbot	We Have Chosen Shame and Will Get War.	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	Make a graph with time on the x-axis and formatting capabilities on the y-axis. Draw a line from the HTML level 1 to HTML level 3. You'll see that HTML reaches LaTeX's level of formatting capability around the year 2000.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	If we are going to get there eventually, we might as well get there soon.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	o kill me dead.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	what ?	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	;;bcstats	[22:29]
gribble	Current Blocks: 274385 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 1806 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1051660720.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: 15.77693	[22:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC	[22:39]
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pankkake	https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/87b8e1c6b67c1692dc4b37081a8db8615ddb2509/straightouttatimisoara.txt?at=master could be longer, but I ran out of inspiration	[22:48]
ozbot	pankkake / asslyrics	[22:48]
nubbins`	LaTeX is great	[22:48]
pankkake	but ugly	[22:49]
nubbins`	only when you're creating it.	[22:49]
nubbins`	looks beautiful once you're done ;D	[22:49]
nubbins`	dogecoin << would buy	[22:49]
benkay	unfortunately most designers can only gui and so we have pdf. huzzah.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	people who can only gui are not designers.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying "most engineers can only autocad"	[22:50]
asciilifeform	laugh, but this has become an actual fact.	[22:51]
benkay	"designers", then.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake this ain't a penis contest, it doesn't have to be long, it has to be thick	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	nm, on second thought it is a penis contest.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	'it will be long, it will be hard, and there shall be no withdrawal'...	[22:51]
pankkake	well this one is pretty much an egotrip, and you should be an endless source of that	[22:51]
dexX7	there was a small discussion about korean ips monitors with ThickAsThieves and kakobrekla some weeks ago.. i ended up buying two dell u2412m and had a 27" here earlier, but it was too big. but i have to say: ips displays are nice	[22:51]
pankkake	:D	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	how's the girl gonna sing it then lol	[22:51]
sbp	kanzure: Snoop Dogg is into BTC, don't see why Francis I shouldn't be next	[22:51]
pankkake	I wouldn't go back to anything non IPS	[22:52]
pankkake	pretty much requirement number one for a place of work	[22:52]
pankkake	cause Francis is a communist	[22:52]
asciilifeform	the rhyme reminds me of another: http://blog.sayan.ee/a-birthday-poem/	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	;;google "it will be long; it will be hard; and there shall be no withdrawal."	[22:52]
gribble	Percocet withdrawals, how long do they last? - Addiction: Substance ...: ; How To Detox From Opiates At Home - Withdrawal Ease: ; Alcohol Withdrawal Symptoms Can Make It Hard to Quit Drinking: (1 more message)	[22:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20512 @ 0.00088319 = 18.116 BTC [+] {3}	[22:53]
asciilifeform	winston c.	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the only google hit on the actual quoted string comes from files.meetup.com/8900962/Review%20Chap.%203-4%20Gurl-Posse.doc	[22:54]
asciilifeform	weird	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	which i find strangely strengthens your point	[22:54]
pankkake	Gurl Posse lol	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	pankkake a REVIEW thereof.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	it just blew my mind.	[22:54]
pankkake	google book search can often give you strange results	[22:55]
asciilifeform	just the question of what is a 'gurl', one could think about for a while.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mean_girls_picture.bmp << who's the awkward / uncomfortable chick on the left ?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a gurl is a waitress past her 30th bday.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	rarely, a younger girl that will be a waitress past 30.	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00087902 = 18.855 BTC [-]	[22:56]
asciilifeform	that's more or less: usa in one sentence.	[22:56]
TomServo	dexX7: was anything larger recommended?	[22:56]
dexX7	there are super cheap (but worth) 27" ips displays from korea on ebay	[22:57]
asciilifeform	amusingly, loan word 'герла' is more or less equivalent in meaning to 'gurl' above.	[22:57]
dexX7	but it's too big imho	[22:58]
TomServo	I've looked at those, but have always been hesitant	[22:58]
pankkake	;;ud gurl	[22:58]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gurl \| the way of spelling girl, favourd by girls below the age of 14 or dyslexics.	[22:58]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: gurl	[22:58]
nubbins`	doge is maybe the best meme yet	[22:58]
nubbins`	just putting it out there	[22:58]
asciilifeform	27 inch proper 'Eizo'. 600 or so usd, ebay, new. perhaps it 'fell off truck'	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what is it ?	[22:59]
nubbins`	just a japanese dog with a lelly face usually accompanied by engrish nonsense in neon comic sans ms	[22:59]
asciilifeform	16:9 lcd is mostly worthless unless you turn it, though.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also amusingly, gherla is romania's largest, most infamous prison and also an informal way to say "prison" in general.	[22:59]
TomServo	Yeah, I'd prefer 16:10	[22:59]
asciilifeform	3:4.	[23:00]
nubbins`	http://0.tqn.com/d/humor/1/0/P/T/-/-/wow-such-math-ti-doge-meme1.jpg	[23:00]
dexX7	lol	[23:00]
sbp	mircea_popescu: Lindsay Lohan, by the looks	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	wow she was that young once huh.	[23:00]
nubbins`	http://0.tqn.com/d/humor/1/0/J/T/-/-/doge.jpg	[23:01]
nubbins`	^	[23:01]
nubbins`	etc	[23:01]
dexX7	awesome	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	such azn.	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087523 = 12.6033 BTC [-] {2}	[23:02]
sbp	nubbins`: DOGECOIN: http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2013/12/10/LgdyCfv.png	[23:02]
asciilifeform	i'd love to buy an lcd, 2 M or so diagonal. but it would need to have at least the same pixel density as the eizo.	[23:02]
nubbins`	nod, that's what caused me to bring it up	[23:02]
nubbins`	:D	[23:02]
sbp	oh, heh	[23:02]
nubbins`	http://24.media.tumblr.com/96919db8f22694170e85609491008230/tumblr_mtt0bmFOTZ1qjetuoo1_500.jpg	[23:03]
nubbins`	http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/much+doge.+save+doge+at+http+www.funnyjunk.com+funnypictures+4779312+save+doge_d14d44_4778954.jpg	[23:03]
nubbins`	^ leel	[23:03]
nubbins`	much doge	[23:04]
wao-ender	oh dogecoin finally arrived here	[23:05]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/TUajDcw.jpg	[23:05]
nubbins`	ahahahaha	[23:05]
asciilifeform	much more doge. http://i.imgur.com/M6GApQd.jpg	[23:05]
dexX7	:D	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i was gonna do that lol. much better. such meme now.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: (unrelated) shirts are in. thanks!	[23:06]
nubbins`	ah, great! cheers	[23:06]
nubbins`	how'd the box hold up?	[23:07]
asciilifeform	dour old woman at post office: 'how the hell did you get this through customs without a name'	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	did you tell her "power of bitcoin, lady" ?	[23:07]
nubbins`	haha	[23:07]
nubbins`	i should probably start putting a full return address on these packages, too	[23:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackBestFriend	[23:08]
ozbot	Main/Black Best Friend - Television Tropes & Idioms	[23:08]
nubbins`	altho to be fair you only need those 8 characters	[23:08]
asciilifeform	box came in entirely virginal.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	tvtropes is such wow.	[23:08]
nubbins`	good news	[23:08]
nubbins`	http://webby.hazasite.com/r/SuperShibe/comments/1smg26/can_someone_explain_to_me_exactly_what_the_joke/	[23:09]
nubbins`	haha, first comment	[23:09]
nubbins`	"doge mystery" "no explain"	[23:09]
kakobrekla	dexX7 yeah i got 4 so far	[23:09]
kakobrekla	and prolly will add 1 more	[23:09]
dexX7	lol :D	[23:10]
kakobrekla	thats the max i can hook up	[23:10]
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kakobrekla	well, without the external adapters anyway	[23:10]
asciilifeform	speaking of bizarre: from the text of a spam sample: 'purchase extreme intestinal activity station'.	[23:10]
dexX7	five should be enough, i guess?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	since we're doing spam, Hi My name is Anastasia. I am from Russia. It may surprise you, enjoy	[23:11]
kakobrekla	no spam	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	hm. you think ?	[23:12]
kakobrekla	it says so right on the .. .eh.. nevermind	[23:12]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: so, an industrial sausage stuffer.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	since we're doing hardware minutiae: anyone know of a modern ECC mobo?	[23:13]
asciilifeform	i'd prefer not to live with my '07 Tyan for ever	[23:13]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: best spam subject i've ever received is "Turn your peanut into a banana"	[23:15]
pankkake	spammers are extremely creative in avoiding the word penis now, it's amazing	[23:16]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:16]
asciilifeform	pankkake: '...come grasp the mighty phoenis of our Leader...'	[23:16]
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asciilifeform	'btc! greatest blockchain in the wurld; all other blockchains are run by little gurls...'	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	actually, i would wager a guess that the disk space of btc blockchain > disk space of all other altcoins combined	[23:18]
asciilifeform	this is hardly surprising.	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5998 @ 0.00087892 = 5.2718 BTC [+]	[23:19]
asciilifeform	although i'd also be surprised if altcoin aficionados don't take to bloating their chains to 'look relevant'.	[23:19]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/3d-printer-by-sask-man-gets-record-crowdsourced-cash-1.2417416	[23:20]
ozbot	3D printer by Sask. man gets record crowdsourced cash - Saskatchewan - CBC News	[23:20]
nubbins`	wow	[23:20]
nubbins`	that's a crazy way to print	[23:20]
asciilifeform	not new	[23:20]
asciilifeform	that was actually the original '3d printer'	[23:20]
asciilifeform	in the '70s.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	it was even mentioned in soviet 'наука и жизнь' mag ('science & life', similar to 'scientific american')	[23:21]
nubbins`	oh ya?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well now that it was said, definitely.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	before, not likely. these people are not inovators, after all.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	so it's useful in retrospect.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	e.g. http://www.google.com/patents/US4575330	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY92AE1Aj-U	[23:24]
ozbot	Animaniacs Variety Speak 2 - YouTube	[23:24]
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asciilifeform	actually the fellow in the link did make a useful twist	[23:25]
asciilifeform	moving the 'z' platform by draining a tank (a la ancient greek 'klepsydra' clock) instead of a stepper motor.	[23:25]
pankkake	if you exclude namecoin, and the datacoin aberration, probably	[23:26]
pankkake	oh well, namecoin is only 1.5G :o	[23:26]
asciilifeform	problem with stereolithography is that you need a foul-smelling, poisonous, and quite expensive liquid polymer.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	har har pankkake :D	[23:28]
asciilifeform	and the resulting product is quite brittle.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	and the datacoin thing was what, 50mb ?	[23:28]
nubbins`	these resins seem to remain flexible once cured	[23:28]
nubbins`	but yeah, consumables cost is probably through the roof	[23:29]
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pankkake	it's still a thing, allows big things to be stored at once. still at this time it's probably nothing	[23:29]
asciilifeform	you can buy uv-cured 'rubber', yes.	[23:29]
pankkake	litecoin 2.2G	[23:29]
nubbins`	ah, $60 per liter	[23:29]
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asciilifeform	i still don't get why '3d printer' is so fashionable.	[23:30]
nubbins`	interesting that it uses audio to transmit the information	[23:30]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: it's the ultimate novelty.	[23:30]
pankkake	for people who don't know how to build things	[23:30]
pankkake	(like me :p)	[23:30]
asciilifeform	i mean, i get the usefulness of wangling together mechanical prototypes without the dust of machining, etc.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	but why the mass hysteria	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[23:30]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 1047921554.97 based on data since last change \| 894132728.373 based on data for last three days	[23:30]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: for most of the public, it's a solution in search of a problem	[23:31]
nubbins`	but if you've got a need for rapid prototyping, these things are worth their weight in gold	[23:31]
pankkake	well I'm sure it would make buying some products obsolete	[23:31]
nubbins`	i don't doubt that most of the 3d printers in people's homes were used to make a couple sets of chess pieces and now sit idle	[23:31]
pankkake	is it safe for sex toys? I fear it isn't, but that would be a great use	[23:31]
nubbins`	generally sex toys aren't made from hard plastic	[23:32]
asciilifeform	extrusion printer usually gives a rough surface	[23:32]
nubbins`	replacement battery covers for sex toys, sure	[23:32]
asciilifeform	but one can sand it smooth, or coat it in something	[23:32]
nubbins`	stomb boxes for guitar fx pedals	[23:32]
pankkake	anything porous is a bad idea	[23:32]
nubbins`	*stomp	[23:32]
nubbins`	yeah, 3d printed sex toy would actually be a bacteria factory	[23:33]
benkay	if you pour metals 3d printers are the bomb for casting	[23:33]
pankkake	it's a great solution for replacement parts in general yeah	[23:33]
nubbins`	benkay, good point	[23:33]
asciilifeform	dip it in 'plasti-dip'	[23:33]
nubbins`	hm	[23:33]
nubbins`	re:plasti-dip	[23:33]
nubbins`	i've seen lots of tools made with 3d printers	[23:34]
benkay	your metals just burn the plastic out of the casting	[23:34]
nubbins`	hemostats, pliers, tweezers, screwdriver grips, etc	[23:34]
benkay	obviously takes some tweaking, but totally feasible.	[23:34]
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benkay	and the impossible-to-machine rib-holding-together-hardware, nubbins`	[23:34]
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asciilifeform	benkay: two-step mold process. positive shape, wedge into clay for negative mold, bake, cast metal.	[23:34]
benkay	but man the ludicrous shit those poor companies struggling under the fda have to deal with	[23:35]
benkay	asciilifeform: yes, that is a casting process.	[23:35]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: i think benkay is thinking similar to a lost wax process	[23:35]
benkay	^^	[23:35]
asciilifeform	i've thought about ways to electrolytically replace a (conductive) plastic with metal.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	but life is short.	[23:36]
nubbins`	sadly, not enough time to learn it all	[23:36]
benkay	i start over on a new domain every four years, i think.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	(for those who have no truck with 3d printing or the like, this isn't something which afaik exists.)	[23:36]
benkay	just enough time to become baseline competent but not anywhere near good.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	(currently there is only metal sintering, under noble gas. $0.5M.)	[23:37]
nubbins`	well there's short-term things and long-term things	[23:37]
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nubbins`	coffee roasting was a short-term	[23:37]
nubbins`	printing is a long-term	[23:37]
nubbins`	you can generally tell by how much space you're willing to let something take up in your house	[23:38]
asciilifeform	the funniest part of the 3d printing in the popular media is the 'plastic gun.'	[23:38]
benkay	preach about the plastic gun, asciilifeform	[23:38]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: not a fucking chance would i put gunpowder inside anything i printed myself	[23:38]
asciilifeform	not that such a thing is impossible: medieval Korea had: leather cannon!	[23:38]
benkay	the gutters are full of humans eager to test the 20 dollar disposable firearm.	[23:39]
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asciilifeform	wonder if anybody's fed Plastique into a 3d extruder.	[23:39]
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nubbins`	haha	[23:40]
truffles	ban 3d printers	[23:40]
asciilifeform	'there are many 3d printed doorknobs, but this one - is special!'	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	the problems only begin there. firearms are mostly an obsolete technology.	[23:40]
benkay	how so obsolete?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	you can get armor good enough to render any handheld firearm useless.	[23:40]
truffles	boom headshot	[23:40]
nubbins`	but does it fit over your face?	[23:40]
nubbins`	^^	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	notice that the serious bank robbers etc use very heavy assault weapons	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	and that only worked up to about 2005 or so	[23:41]
asciilifeform	armor is a tricky business	[23:41]
benkay	can you armor the entire ghetto block squad?	[23:41]
asciilifeform	the people to whom the question applies have a rather lukewarm enthusiasm for it.	[23:41]
nubbins`	ah, i always figured the assault weapons were more for show	[23:41]
nubbins`	"these guys must be REALLY serious!"	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform see North Hollywood shootout etc. not that tricky.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	a solved problem for > a decade by now	[23:41]
deadweasel	that was a great one	[23:41]
asciilifeform	state-of-the-art ceramic plate is rated for: 1 ak round.	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.145 = 0.58 BTC [+]	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10921 @ 0.00088531 = 9.6685 BTC [+]	[23:41]
asciilifeform	heavy, sweaty.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	going on two decades.	[23:42]
truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejD1Gml-ZGc this?	[23:42]
ozbot	North Hollywood Shootout - YouTube	[23:42]
asciilifeform	american grunts are issued 'kevlar', but tend to throw it out. and they, oddly, won't sleep in it.	[23:43]
asciilifeform	not to mention other fine point: armor sets you up for blunt trauma.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reference was aramid. it withstood > 1k rounds from .38 and 9mm, as well as single action pump shotguns	[23:43]
asciilifeform	the kinetic energy still has to go somewhere...	[23:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02350002 = 0.235 BTC [+] {2}	[23:43]
asciilifeform	this is entirely plausible	[23:44]
asciilifeform	soft lead.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	but try finding a vendor willing to stand in it for target practice, for ten rounds much less a thousand.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	broken ribs.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	nobody cancelled newton's laws...	[23:45]
truffles	"patrol officers at the time were typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower; they also	[23:45]
truffles	appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer to help even the odds. "	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	yes well, the story is this : two robbers with body armor did more damage to the city policeman pension and health insurance funds than would have been the case if they just let them keep the stolen money.	[23:46]
truffles	seems like its solved all round	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	even if you maange to print a gun, you will print a useless gun.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	you need something very powerful to be able to do anything with it.	[23:46]
benkay	that's not the use case though. the use case is shitty guns for poor people in the decaying soviet states of america	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	benkay amusingly, amlar is easier to print than a gun.	[23:47]
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asciilifeform	benkay: hardware store (or junkyard.) steel pipe.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	see harlan ellison's memoir of his '50s childhood	[23:47]
deadweasel	boomstick	[23:47]
asciilifeform	or virtually any work on prison weapons	[23:47]
benkay	amlar?	[23:47]
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mircea_popescu	benkay aromatic polyamide. like kevlar, but with aroma.	[23:48]
the20year	Pretty easy to make a firearm out of supplies from tesco	[23:48]
asciilifeform	wait till people remember that kevlar (and other fiber armour) is useless against: arrows.	[23:49]
benkay	dahaha	[23:49]
the20year	asciilifeform: most current plates use ceramic which disperses the kenetic energy over a wide area, avoiding blunt tramua. Small arms fire has an amazingly low amount of kenetic energy compared to common measurements	[23:49]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:49]
the20year	asciilifeform: depends on which kind of kevlar vest you're talking about	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	also, it's easier to protect the head than the body.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	bulletproof transparent rigid plastic was available before flexible stuff was.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	the20year in fact, the kinetic energy of the bullet is roughly equal to the kinetic energy of the recoil.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	take simple example. ordinary ak round, ~2kJ (muzzle)	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	consequently, there's a limit to how heavy a round can be fired from the hand	[23:51]
asciilifeform	let's say 1kJ on impact, for the sake of argument.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	and the thing is, armor has surpassed this minimum. handheld firearms are not particularly useful these days	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	(which is the REAL reason for the move towards tasers, not the feigned desire to avoid casualties)	[23:51]
asciilifeform	1kJ applied to a head with impenetrable armor -> neck trauma	[23:51]
asciilifeform	unless you're willing to wear the equivalent of a 19th century diving suit	[23:51]
deadweasel	^	[23:52]
benkay	all this fighting talk is causing thoughts of chumpatrons based on armor and weapons	[23:52]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform depends a lot on the angle.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	the phuture, if one insists, is in the self-aiming rifle.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	like those pocket cameras that highlight faces.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	people regularly take kj's to the head in most sports.	[23:52]
deadweasel	i think we should test these theories. somebody get me some armor, I'll youtube the experiments per your instructions. Only have 9mm and .40 for testing	[23:52]
deadweasel	i'm not sure if I'm joking	[23:53]
deadweasel	only one way to find out	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel you can always use a dummy	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	like the car crash dummies	[23:53]
deadweasel	boring	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	not that this hasn't been done.	[23:53]
deadweasel	so boring	[23:53]
asciilifeform	phun phact: archduke ferdinand is said to have worn an early bulletproof vest.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	at the time of his death.	[23:53]
deadweasel	watching body armor video tests can be mesmerizing	[23:53]
asciilifeform	headshot	[23:53]
deadweasel	lol	[23:53]
the20year	You could do what the military and FBI does....	[23:54]
the20year	But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right?	[23:54]
truffles	hide?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right? <<< qft.	[23:54]
deadweasel	qft? quite fucking true?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	quoted for truth	[23:54]
truffles	quoted for	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wasn't he killed by a bomb ?	[23:55]
deadweasel	ic	[23:55]
the20year	No, he was shot close range with a little pistol	[23:55]
deadweasel	i'm puncy as hell today, somebody shoot me already	[23:55]
asciilifeform	neck.	[23:55]
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mircea_popescu	o it was the russian guy that was bombed.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	legend has it that submarine architects were once made to take a trip to max depth before the machine would be paid for.	[23:55]
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asciilifeform	no reason why this shouldn't apply to armour makers.	[23:55]
the20year	don't you look at armor tests?	[23:56]
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the20year	Some armor makers do put their armor on and get shot, i wouldn't due it due to spall, but some believe that much in their product	[23:56]
asciilifeform	arms vs. armour is a classic race that the latter tends to lose. witness 'reactive armour' on tank.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	the pill against it: round with two warheads.	[23:57]
the20year	It's usually a endless cycle of bigger armor being beaten by a bigger gun , IE ww2 f or instance	[23:57]
asciilifeform	or simple good aim (hit same spot twice.0	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	"while Mătăsăreanu's chest armor even successfully withstood a hit from a SWAT operator's AR-15"	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	no, srsly.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	it will be interesting to see reactive armor built for a man	[23:57]
asciilifeform	rather than tank	[23:57]
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the20year	Most rifles won't make it through AR500 steel plate	[23:57]
the20year	It's stupidly easy to make body armor that will withstand most conventional rifle ammo, granted it's quite heavy	[23:58]
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asciilifeform	the20year: ask a soldier how much he'd like to wear plate mail.	[23:58]
the20year	Why the heck would anyone want reactive armor on their body? The concussion would kill you when it activated	[23:58]
the20year	Well, most wear ceramic armor that's stronger than AR500, so many do	[23:58]
the20year	I know my brother in law did, when he was in iraq	[23:58]
asciilifeform	there are men strong enough to run about, climb, etc. in plate mail, yes.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let me find you that quote re armor.	[23:59]
the20year	The average soldier carries about 100lbs of gear into battle, so 20lb of armor isn't a big deal. thus why the US military is testing powered armor	[23:59]

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