Forum logs for 07 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.058 = 0.232 BTC [-]	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 31.13311320 BTC to 10`710 shares, 290692 satoshi per share	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 9.98697770 BTC to 361`585 shares, 2762 satoshi per share	[00:02]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=326344.msg3500912#msg3500912	[00:05]
ozbot	Belkin ASICMINER Block Erupter USB - How to Install	[00:05]
nubbins`	imagine	[00:05]
Namworld	He could mine wireless signals. Take all the data.	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00625454 = 0.1376 BTC [+] {2}	[00:08]
bgupta	how do we do the quote all for usd/btc for bot?	[00:09]
nubbins`	Namworld: i'm not sure that he could	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00638 = 0.5806 BTC [+] {3}	[00:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00639982 = 0.1536 BTC [+] {4}	[00:16]
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bgupta	kakobrekla: If you look at http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD vs http://bitcoinity.org/markets/mtgox/USD looks like bitstamp price traded higher than mtgox at about 37 mins ago, resolving bet http://bitbet.us/bet/537/bitstampusd-will-trade-at-a-higher-price-than/	[00:21]
kakobrekla	not sure if that is sufficient	[00:22]
kakobrekla	also talk to mp about that.	[00:22]
bgupta	mircea_popescu: ^^	[00:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 666 @ 0.00016494 = 0.1099 BTC [+] {3}	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0064 = 0.1472 BTC [+] {3}	[00:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00082288 = 17.2805 BTC [-]	[00:31]
jurov	bgupta it says bitcoincharts is authoritative source	[00:33]
bgupta	ah let me look	[00:33]
jurov	so i'd suggest preparing screenshots from there	[00:33]
the20year	coinbase is now over mtg too	[00:33]
the20year	what site has market share of the exchanges?	[00:34]
jurov	http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/	[00:34]
ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Charts	[00:34]
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jurov	but coinbase is not listed	[00:35]
the20year	i didn't see you were talking about bitbet	[00:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00082379 = 4.0778 BTC [+]	[00:40]
kakobrekla	http://jezus.si:81/render?target=bitcoin.*.transactions&height=500&width=1100&lineMode=connected&from=-2hours	[00:42]
kakobrekla	could be.	[00:42]
kakobrekla	or not http://jezus.si:81/render?target=bitcoin.*.transactions&height=500&width=1100&from=-2hours	[00:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1754 @ 0.00016499 = 0.2894 BTC [+]	[00:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00225001 = 0.1328 BTC [-]	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	bgupta hm ? so that's the sort of thing wired has been doing for the past coupla decades, to turn itself from a respected trade magazine to a pulp publication nobody credits worth five cents.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	hardly worth the mention	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	jurov think it'd be an idea ?	[01:06]
jurov	what?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	you know you dinged me. some nudie calendar	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[01:08]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 264.00001, Best ask: 264.98997, Bid-ask spread: 0.98996, Last trade: 264.99499, 24 hour volume: 38247.14951674, 24 hour low: 251.30000, 24 hour high: 272.52000, 24 hour vwap: 262.80481	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	so did it make 267 ?	[01:09]
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mod6	hmm from bitmit.net - this just popped up: Bitmit is closing	[01:11]
mod6	Bitmit is shutting down its services in four weeks. Please complete your orders and withdraw your funds!	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	mod6 yeah they were looking for investors	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	problem with kids with a website that failed at making a business is that they overvalue their website.	[01:11]
mod6	ooh. hmm, wasnt aware.	[01:11]
mod6	& ya, 24hr high was 272.52	[01:12]
gribble	Error: "ya," is not a valid command.	[01:12]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. at least this clears the field for someone with actual qualifications to make the btc ebay.	[01:12]
kakobrekla	says the guy who sold bbet for 1k btc!	[01:12]
kakobrekla	err 15% of.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	of course the way things work it'll be 5 different forum dorks redoiong bitmit	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	but anyway	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla free market baby.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	not private placement negotiation.	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah their odesk staff left.	[01:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 266 @ 0.00624789 = 1.6619 BTC [-] {4}	[01:16]
bgupta	kakobrekla: posted links to the bitcoincharts in http://bitbet.us/bet/537/bitstampusd-will-trade-at-a-higher-price-than/ bet comments... not sure if that's clear enough. IE: 2013-11-06 21:41:00 (265.00 vs 263.27004) 2013-11-06 22:40:00 (262.00 vs 260.10005) Seems the way bet is worded, on technicality it resolves Yes, but your call. (One needs to expand the raw data to see the timestamps)	[01:17]
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bgupta	mircea_popescu: Sorry to bother. Think kako can make the bet resolution call.	[01:19]
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jurov	mircea_popescu: ah that calendar. dunno, you're an expert here.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	well no he can't, in that he's not involved in that part. neither am i for that matter, but if it makes you feel better it is pretty much cut and dried.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov maybe i make it with boys.	[01:19]
jurov	then i'm all for it. if you can procure better models than nubbins	[01:20]
jurov	(sorry nubbins)	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	tell you waht, you procure the models, shoot them, i'll pay for it (if you get really cheap models!) and we can have the mpex-coinbr joint male body appreciation calendar.	[01:21]
jurov	cheap models? hmmmm we'll see	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.00598984 = 0.4073 BTC [-] {5}	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 182 @ 0.0057211 = 1.0412 BTC [-] {3}	[01:24]
wao-ender	cmon	[01:24]
wao-ender	bu our hacjerspace is open	[01:24]
wao-ender	we alredy made some porn in space	[01:24]
wao-ender	by studenta	[01:24]
wao-ender	s	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm sorry, you need to put that in the form of a question.	[01:25]
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jurov	wao maintains the hackerspace here in bratislava	[01:25]
jurov	he just wanted to said he's open to the idea :D	[01:25]
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jurov	*say	[01:26]
wao-ender	:D	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	a. well cool then. any pretty twinks in bratislava ?	[01:26]
wao-ender	right	[01:26]
wao-ender	hmm et me think about it	[01:26]
wao-ender	opposite our space is strip club	[01:27]
wao-ender	so it wouldnt be a prob	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	you have a MALE strip club in that town !?	[01:27]
wao-ender	they have even males	[01:28]
wao-ender	I think	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	go bratislava.	[01:28]
wao-ender	I should find some ad paper from their hostess	[01:28]
jurov	yay naked models, soldering iron in the hand, concentrated look...	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	maybe you do a cryptoanal thermanalysis one to make asciilifeform happy.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	(guy tied to chair with soldering iron up his butt, face of agony. pgp signatures on the back wall)	[01:31]
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jurov	but bdsm is moar expensive	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	it could be just the month of may.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	and the iron doesn't even have to be hot	[01:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 155 @ 0.00109797 = 0.1702 BTC [+]	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake kink ?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	sorry, i mean link ?	[01:44]
pankkake	the website doesn't exist anymore, thankfully	[01:46]
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auto2nr1_	whats happening here?	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	auto2nr1_ noobs keep popping up off webirc to advertise various laughable "businesses" then disappear.	[02:00]
auto2nr1_	ahh... thats no fun	[02:00]
auto2nr1_	thanks for responding	[02:01]
kakobrekla	lol	[02:01]
auto2nr1_	any good stocks to invest in at the moment?	[02:01]
auto2nr1_	lol	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	otheerwise you can also check the log	[02:01]
auto2nr1_	things are kinda slow in the other channels	[02:02]
auto2nr1_	so i thought i would pop in here to see if there is any action going on	[02:02]
jurov	yes, hot and steamy actoin	[02:02]
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nubbins`	calendar action	[02:02]
nubbins`	words hurt, man	[02:02]
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mircea_popescu	jurov actcoin, the future of altcoins	[02:04]
wao-ender	bdsm was always expensive.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	wao-ender im spoiled by getting it for free for too long.	[02:04]
wao-ender	hoho	[02:04]
wao-ender	you will be spanked.	[02:05]
jurov	wao we don't ned to have true leather props here.. i guess cat5 cables will do	[02:05]
nubbins`	those hurt too	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	cat cables will do anything.	[02:05]
wao-ender	at least, tonight we had latex discussion again :D	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	and yes, power cord is way worse than any switch known to man.	[02:05]
wao-ender	in space	[02:06]
wao-ender	lot of weirdos	[02:06]
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jurov	btw, did you knew even vatican does have male calendar with selected young beautiful (although properly clothed) canonics?	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[02:17]
jurov	i have my contacts :)	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah, get the pope to star in the calendar nao	[02:17]
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jurov	oooh the bitstampusd bet got resolved? o/	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	please direct all bonbons and other tokens of appreciation to me	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	complaints go to kako.	[02:26]
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jurov	now that's bit too much goodness for today.. goodnight	[02:27]
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pankkake	wow I can't believe I lost that one	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	should be a thsirt	[02:34]
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nubbins`	should be the company slogan	[02:36]
pankkake	https://inputs.io/ inputs.io defaced	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that got hacked	[02:36]
nubbins`	ha	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	seems iti nvolves some jd wallet or something	[02:37]
pankkake	well that one is new	[02:37]
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Namworld	https://satoshidice.com/	[02:43]
ozbot	How to Enable Cookies	[02:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.12552 = 1.1297 BTC [-] {2}	[02:43]
Namworld	Lol ozbot	[02:43]
Namworld	Looks like it just changed designed. Old Satoshi Dice is now moved to legacy.satoshidice.com	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	what's this stage=1 bs	[02:44]
Namworld	No fucking clue	[02:44]
pankkake	it's not responding to me	[02:45]
Namworld	I assume the new owners are fucktards. Stop blinking you damn faces	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	well that cut up head doesn't look good.	[02:46]
Apocalyptic	looks like TF is finished	[02:52]
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kakobrekla	why?	[02:52]
Namworld	Props to SatoshiDice for their FAQ	[02:53]
Namworld	Why can't I play in the US?	[02:53]
Namworld	America is the Land of the Free, that's why online gambling in the U.S. is strictly prohibited.	[02:53]
Apocalyptic	two days ago or so he claimed he would pay for the inputs hack	[02:53]
Apocalyptic	now suddenly he won't	[02:53]
pankkake	he won't? source?	[02:54]
kakobrekla	o?	[02:54]
kakobrekla	thats cute.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic kinda.	[02:54]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, "Two hacks have left Inputs unable to pay"	[02:55]
kakobrekla	now two?	[02:55]
Apocalyptic	main page	[02:55]
pankkake	yeah well, I doubt it's his writing	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	basically he walked the edge pestering people for about a year, ended up with a busted lip	[02:55]
Apocalyptic	kako, it gets better everyday yeah	[02:55]
kakobrekla	maybe the third attacker left that message there	[02:55]
pankkake	this is obviously a defaced page. "404 BTC Not Found"	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	;;google bitcoin securities	[02:55]
gribble	Securities - Bitcoin Forum: ; shares - What Bitcoin Securities / Stock exchanges are around ...: ; MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.:	[02:55]
pankkake	so it appears satoshidice is blocking some of my IPs… with another one I can access it	[02:55]
Apocalyptic	he may be in a joking mood	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[02:55]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu thats old, we now have insecurities.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	;;google bitcoin insecurities	[02:56]
gribble	Empirical Analysis of Bitcoin-Exchange Risk - Financial ...: ; BitFloor Joins List of Compromised BitCoin Exchanges - Slashdot: ; EFF Ditches Bitcoin as Alternative Donation Currency Due to Legal ...:	[02:56]
kakobrekla	google is lag.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	srsly.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	ty	[02:57]
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pankkake	wow, well, GPG signed message now. "Two hacks totalling about 4100 BTC have left Inputs.io unable to pay all user balances."	[03:15]
auto2nr1_	whoa really?	[03:15]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, but obviously it's a defaced page, right..	[03:16]
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pankkake	Well I didn't take a "404 Bitcoins not found" seriously. this, I do	[03:16]
Apocalyptic	you don't know TF humour then	[03:18]
pankkake	oh.	[03:18]
Apocalyptic	which is kinda misplaced in this situation I agree	[03:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8834 @ 0.00082392 = 7.2785 BTC [+] {2}	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	i don';t see any reason to take it as humor	[03:19]
asciilifeform	this is all reminiscent of, say, pre-Otis elevators - that would sometimes plunge, occupants screaming, splat.	[03:20]
dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290860.0 the signature matches	[03:20]
ozbot	TradeFortress PGP Key	[03:20]
auto2nr1_	dexx7 whats up man	[03:20]
asciilifeform	with the one exception that people in those times, for the most part, were clever enough to refuse the ride.	[03:20]
auto2nr1_	good to see you in another channel	[03:20]
auto2nr1_	=D	[03:20]
dexX7	hehe	[03:21]
pankkake	"Cold storage system protects coins against server compromise" oops	[03:21]
Apocalyptic	I find it amazing he had 4100 btc on the hot one	[03:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:23]
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kakobrekla	could be his plan all along	[03:32]
kakobrekla	4100 is way more that hes ever gonna make wit that	[03:33]
pankkake	yeah, that's the big issue with hacks	[03:33]
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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.msg3501183#msg3501183 maybe it's the hacker trolling	[03:35]
ozbot	List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses	[03:35]
auto2nr1_	has blockchain.info ever been hacked?	[03:35]
pankkake	blockchain.info doesn't have your private key. however, they could get their javascript replaced, for those who don't have the browser extension	[03:36]
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auto2nr1_	i see	[03:36]
auto2nr1_	so they dont have a negative history right?	[03:36]
auto2nr1_	i have coins with them	[03:36]
pankkake	you probably should back up your private key if not already	[03:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]	[03:40]
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auto2nr1_	yea i have a backup	[03:44]
auto2nr1_	=P	[03:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00082409 = 12.3201 BTC [+]	[03:46]
Apocalyptic	kako, so we got a bitcoinica self-hack reloaded here	[03:47]
kakobrekla	could be anything	[03:47]
Apocalyptic	could make sense	[03:47]
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mircea_popescu	auto2nr1_ iirc they had some injectuion attempts, but nothing serious	[03:50]
auto2nr1_	oh i see.. thanks for the heads up man	[03:50]
auto2nr1_	you are very helpful	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	that's how their js to check the js came about	[03:51]
pankkake	but what if you hack the js to check the js	[03:51]
pankkake	add a js to check the js that checks the js?	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	i think the idea was you save this locally	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	i'm a little rusty on it as i never used the thing	[03:52]
pankkake	yeah that's what their browser extension does	[03:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3308 = 1.654 BTC [+] {3}	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	right	[03:52]
nubbins`	there's also a "chrome app" version	[03:52]
nubbins`	that you launch via chrome app launcher	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://blogs.csoonline.com/application-security/2821/googles-web-crawler-linked-sql-injection-attempts	[03:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00639899 = 0.4479 BTC [-]	[03:56]
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nubbins`	surprised this is only being discovered now	[03:59]
pankkake	I think I heard of it earlier. or at least, the google crawler being used for evil	[04:00]
nubbins`	around 5 years ago there was a big wave of attacks targeting classic ASP sites that apparently just trawled google search results for filetype:asp	[04:00]
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mircea_popescu	"Update please, why this message, what is the timeframe for processing withdrawals again?"	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	gotta love the focus of bitcoin communiteers.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	"hello sir, you have cancer, it's terminal" "pls give update when i'll be able to run again ty"	[04:01]
nubbins`	they're all spoiled from the constant updates that scammers provide	[04:02]
nubbins`	wait, that doesn't make sense!	[04:02]
nubbins`	but it's true anyway!	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	i haven't seen any updates from nubbins` recently	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	i think it's all a scam.	[04:04]
pankkake	I don't have my shirt. it's a scam	[04:04]
pankkake	I demand daily updates of its worldwide position	[04:04]
pankkake	is canada even a real country?	[04:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00082425 = 11.8692 BTC [+] {2}	[04:04]
nubbins`	oh shit guys i've got a train to catch	[04:04]
nubbins`	just a quick update first	[04:04]
nubbins`	the shirts are hashing away	[04:05]
nubbins`	first divs tomorrow	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	"The attacker compromised the hosting account through compromising email accounts (some very old, and without phone numbers attached, so it was easy to reset). The attacker was able to bypass 2FA due to a flaw on the server host side."	[04:05]
nubbins`	without phone numbers attached	[04:06]
Namworld	[21:04] is canada even a real country?	[04:06]
Namworld	I'll have to go with...	[04:06]
Namworld	...	[04:06]
Namworld	Yes	[04:06]
nubbins`	it's actually called canadia	[04:06]
pankkake	it sounds like a classic, which happened with ovh : reset the server in rescue mode through the hoster	[04:06]
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mircea_popescu	;;google trilema mpex post mortem	[04:09]
gribble	MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; MPEx - Status Report pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	that's what it is, the story of the one that got through, out of at least half a dozen	[04:10]
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pankkake	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2013&bots=true#174564	[04:12]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[04:12]
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mircea_popescu	myeah.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	if only he read trilema moar pen-in-hand back in september and reviewed the entire rat's nest of old emails at that point	[04:13]
kakobrekla	how much of the total loot is gone?	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	the 4k btc he says he's lost would still be his.	[04:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13103 @ 0.00205125 = 26.8775 BTC [-] {19}	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/05/man-seeks-millions-after-nm-police-force-colonoscopy-in-drug-search	[04:27]
ozbot	Man Seeks Millions After N.M. Police Force Colonoscopy in Drug Search - US News and World Report	[04:27]
KRS-	ouch! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-total-joke-224200448.html	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	KRS- also in the news, bitcoin thinks the "media" is a joke.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	the only diff of course would be that what bitcoin says of the media matters. the reverse... not so much.	[04:33]
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pankkake	it isn't the first time I see the military argument	[04:35]
pankkake	how can you say that without being ashamed?	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	idiots are never ashamed.	[04:36]
dexX7	almost sounds like this guy is joking	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	well, let me make it public anyway : i am keeping a list of retards from the old media, I will spend my time making it impossible for them to earn a living once bitcoin takes over.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	the old "you're through in this town" hollywood thing is going to be nothing compared, come 2020 or w/e.	[04:37]
nubbins`	lel, force you to use usd	[04:37]
nubbins`	shut up and drink your oil!	[04:37]
Apocalyptic	hehe mircea	[04:38]
Apocalyptic	looking forward to that	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic two can play that game. "o, you posted about how bitcoin sucks in 2013 ? aww, off to siberia baby."	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	time to make it clear that if what you have to say about bitcoin is unbased negative idiocy of the sort, you'd better make damned sure you're retired within the next few years.	[04:39]
dexX7	http://finance.yahoo.com/video/does-bitcoin-still-shine-213900481.html << this is the same guy	[04:39]
ozbot	Does Bitcoin still shine? \| Watch the video - Yahoo Finance	[04:39]
dexX7	"people on teh internet having fun"	[04:40]
KRS-	Its hard when someone new to bitcoin reads an article that might not think critcally	[04:40]
KRS-	Their opinions can be easily swayed.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	the cost of that is of course wholly borne by that person.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	it's their future that's being thrown in the toilet.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	and i guess that's what they get for trusting shills.	[04:41]
KRS-	But then the sheeple multiplicative factor kicks in with the aid of mass media powered by the Interwebs.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	makes little difference.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	people's lives don't consist of cellphone interaction today because of media reports. people's lives consist of cellphone interaction today because that's what cellphones do. period.	[04:42]
KRS-	Yahoo! finance was supposed to bring news not opinionated writing to site visitors.	[04:42]
Apocalyptic	KRS-, yeah, "supposed"	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	nobody has to agree with anything, approve anything and so on. technology is not optional.	[04:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/06/obamacare-restrictions-lead-brooklyn-couple-to-consider-divorce/	[04:45]
ozbot	Obamacare Restrictions Lead Brooklyn Couple To Consider Divorce « CBS New York	[04:45]
KRS-	of course..i just like neutral news..i think of all the sheeple out there that will read that	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	quoted mostly for the "“I’m an educated, very well plugged-in person" girl sez.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	KRS- yeah. sucks when whatever you trust betrays that trust.	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.05280499 = 1.0561 BTC [-] {4}	[04:48]
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nubbins`	i fucking hate the word sheeple	[05:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0008259 = 4.0469 BTC [+]	[05:10]
Apocalyptic	why ?	[05:11]
Apocalyptic	it sums it up perfectly	[05:11]
nubbins`	no, it makes me feel embarassed for the person using it	[05:11]
nubbins`	it's a cliched, trite, dull word that smacks of unsophistication	[05:13]
nubbins`	it's boorish	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	so what do you use	[05:13]
nubbins`	it's condescending in the manner of a teenaged boy who thinks he's figured everything out	[05:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]	[05:13]
nubbins`	PEOPLE	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	do you see a problem with not calling virgin females women ?	[05:14]
nubbins`	the same implication is there, but i don't have to use a miscarriage of a clumsy forced portmanteau to do it	[05:14]
nubbins`	"listen up sheeple"	[05:14]
nubbins`	i instinctively stop listening/reading when i see it	[05:15]
nubbins`	because it's always bracketed with idiocy	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	but do you see a problem with not calling virgin females women.	[05:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00601 = 0.6311 BTC [-]	[05:15]
nubbins`	what do i care what they're called?	[05:16]
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nubbins`	oh	[05:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [+]	[05:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00601 = 0.6311 BTC [-]	[05:22]
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mircea_popescu	just making the point that in the same way people might not want to call idiots "people"/	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	sure, one day they too may be people. that day hasn't so far come.	[05:26]
nubbins`	well, it doesn't necessarily need to be people	[05:26]
nubbins`	but sheeple shouldn't even be considered	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	wlel i don't use it myself.	[05:27]
nubbins`	that's because you're not a kid who just discovered his first conspiracy website	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	that should be a brand	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"my first conspiraci website"	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"my first hentai site"	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"my etc"	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	"My first waterboarding"	[05:31]
nubbins`	my first victim	[05:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00082648 = 8.5954 BTC [+] {2}	[05:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	In college late in the academic year the roommates and the self were having a discussion on the ethics of torture so we all took turns getting waterboarded. Some observations 1. It terrifies the most when the cloth is soaked. 2. It isn't very pleasant	[05:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	3. Two people from that night haven't spoken to the others in years while the other two still drink together most every weekend.	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00601181 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {3}	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	chaang-noi: Old news, happened hours ago. Barely a memory in bitcoin time	[05:43]
Apocalyptic	the goat is out of the loop	[05:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-] {2}	[05:44]
kakobrekla	have you heard, pirate defaulted	[05:44]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[05:45]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 275.00000, Best ask: 277.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 274.20000, 24 hour volume: 45884.19332570, 24 hour low: 253.50000, 24 hour high: 277.09850, 24 hour vwap: 265.39350	[05:45]
kakobrekla	you are welcome!	[05:46]
kakobrekla	hehe	[05:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00605 = 0.1573 BTC [+] {2}	[05:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32782971 BTC [-]	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[06:02]
gribble	Time since last block: 6 minutes and 10 seconds	[06:02]
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dexX7	;;goxlag	[06:06]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0.8626 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00172864074185 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).	[06:06]
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dexX7	did johnk come back by the way?	[06:07]
mike_c	can you say honeypot? http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/06/silk-road-2-0-launches-promising-a-resurrected-black-market-for-the-dark-web/	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	lol mike_c	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	cute.	[06:09]
mike_c	dexX7: showed up a few days ago looks like. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322809.msg3474594#msg3474594	[06:14]
dexX7	ah, thanks for the link	[06:14]
kakobrekla	but has not paid?	[06:15]
mike_c	let me spoon feed it to you :D "John K logged on, replied, and released the escrow funds today."	[06:15]
kakobrekla	om nom	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah looks like the guy had some sort of personal problems or w/e	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	he's been quiet	[06:16]
kakobrekla	maybe he held the coins in inputs.io	[06:16]
Apocalyptic	would be unfortunate	[06:17]
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mike_c	0 volume on s.mg, s.nsa, s.bbet since sunday. bubble scaring investors maybe, turning them into hoarders..	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	mpex investors are traditionally the buy and hold sort.	[06:28]
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mike_c	yeah, looking at numbers it's not unusual. there have been a bunch of times this year that bbet went 3 or more days without trading.	[06:37]
mike_c	wow, mpoe only has two gaps all year (the outages). other than that, traded every day.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah whole different dynamic	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	then again it's about two degrees of magnitude heavier or some shit	[06:40]
dub	that sugru shit looks cool	[06:42]
dub	quite close to shoegoo though	[06:42]
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mike_c	;;bc,24hprc	[06:47]
gribble	259.98	[06:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082678 = 8.9292 BTC [+]	[07:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00600151 = 0.2641 BTC [-] {5}	[07:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/block-index/438406	[08:17]
ozbot	Bitcoin Block #268361	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	fees = mining reward.	[08:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012133 = 1.2133 BTC [-] {14}	[08:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00109501 = 0.5475 BTC [-]	[08:24]
BingoBoingo	That's a rare sight at the moment	[08:28]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013	[13:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Highest-valued_currency_unit	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[13:47]
taub	man	[13:49]
taub	i'm quite unslettled by this rise	[13:49]
taub	especially since i failed to like	[13:49]
taub	make the big swing	[13:49]
taub	hope it crashes soon again :(	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/591/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-750-usd/	[13:50]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above 750 USD	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	100:1 it'll go over 750	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	(by spring)	[13:50]
wao-ender	:D	[13:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00571173 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	b0n1 : you can have local backups in the shape of 2 or 6 or w/e drives.	[13:56]
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mircea_popescu	more importantly, if you also put gpg on the system you can then go gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourkey and put the result in an email to yourself	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	or write it on a wall.	[13:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]	[13:58]
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mircea_popescu	jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago.	[13:58]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c i guess you were right, whoever got those options made out ok.	[14:14]
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taub	...	[14:17]
taub	look at those btcn numbers	[14:17]
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taub	they understand a thing or two about marketing their exchange	[14:18]
taub	first you have to become relevant = liquidity	[14:18]
taub	once you're relevant you can jack up the fees becuse people will pay for liquidity	[14:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8630 @ 0.00011988 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {19}	[14:18]
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mircea_popescu	that sounds well stupid.	[14:19]
taub	?	[14:19]
taub	volume wise they overtook mtgox	[14:19]
taub	because they have 0% fees right now	[14:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]	[14:21]
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mircea_popescu	taub this jacking up is what ebay did for instance	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	it's just bad business.	[14:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00571 = 0.1199 BTC [-]	[14:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4250 @ 0.000159 = 0.6758 BTC [+]	[14:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1382 @ 0.00200035 = 2.7645 BTC [-] {5}	[14:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]	[14:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 75 @ 0.0480095 = 3.6007 BTC [-] {7}	[14:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]	[14:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5210 @ 0.00162311 = 8.4564 BTC [-] {12}	[14:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574999 = 1.725 BTC [+] {2}	[14:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 585 @ 0.04501336 = 26.3328 BTC [-] {8}	[14:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63000666 = 1.89 BTC [-] {3}	[14:43]
taub	oh jackig up, yea but i mean compared to it being at zero right now	[14:45]
taub	they establish themselves as big players by letting trading happen for free	[14:45]
taub	then they can start charging (hopefully modest) rates	[14:46]
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bitesak_	competing on price is not a good indicator.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	taub a ok. yeah, it's all a quest to respect your market basically.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	bitesak_ well to a degree their market is a commodified or at least commodifiable one, so price competition will be a part.	[14:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share	[15:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/	[15:15]
ozbot	The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:15]
random_cat_	hey, mircea_popescu	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	hey r.	[15:18]
random_cat_	have you recently renewed a claim of 'scammer' on icbit?	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	i've recently been arguing with idiots coming in here to derp.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea wtf tycho is doing these days, haven't used the thing in a year.	[15:19]
random_cat_	i participate there. a claim was made that you had never backed off from 'scammer' to 'maybe not a scammer' (or perhaps the claim was stronger... that you had reasserted the whole thing was a fraud)	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing is suspicious.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	it is factual the site was run as a scam in 2012.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	it is also factual the admins never admitted wrongdoing, but changed their code at that time.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	whether they have since reverted or not to the scammy model is anyone's guess.	[15:22]
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random_cat_	i'm dubious on 'factual' but in agreement on 'suspicious'	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	that guess will have to be made by the anyone, rather than simply be defaulted by anon shills pushing their "4 mo experience"	[15:23]
firedrops	mircea_popescu, that torrent hashing protocol idea.... as far as Ideas go, it's excellent. I can't comment on practicallity. but I love the idea.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	random_cat_ well this is exactly what i'm saying. i'm doing more in terms of offering data and less in terms of offering judgements. even if i do some of the former.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	firedrops im really curious what the F would be. i can't think of anything, even if perhaps some sort of pailler	[15:24]
random_cat_	has ukto shown face about here recently (too lazy to scroll back)?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	paillier*	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	;;seen ukto	[15:25]
gribble	ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: nah, not right.	[15:25]
random_cat_	ty ;)	[15:25]
firedrops	just sent the article to a close friend/cmptr scientist guy.. trying to get him to start his own project... he's too smart to work for ATT.	[15:25]
taub	mircea_popescu: i dont get whats the point of hashing each piece of the torrent	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	firedrops not sure if there's money in this, but it definitely is fame.	[15:25]
random_cat_	i fear ima get burnt on his shutdown	[15:25]
firedrops	;;ticker	[15:25]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 305.14485, Best ask: 305.67747, Bid-ask spread: 0.53262, Last trade: 305.11000, 24 hour volume: 73065.75169825, 24 hour low: 256.60000, 24 hour high: 321.51736, 24 hour vwap: 286.03216	[15:25]
firedrops	well shit	[15:25]
firedrops	it broke $300	[15:26]
taub	on mtgox	[15:26]
taub	that means not much	[15:26]
random_cat_	good morning	[15:26]
taub	btce and bitstamp both below 280	[15:26]
taub	290~	[15:26]
taub	mtgox high today 320 lel	[15:26]
firedrops	anyone have a diagnosis for why gox is so high? I haven't touched them in months..	[15:26]
taub	i'd say withdrawl problems, people leaving for another exchange etc	[15:27]
random_cat_	yeah, well... they both saw 290	[15:27]
firedrops	oh yeah, forgot about them holding ppls money.. dur.	[15:27]
random_cat_	3 points isn't worth the arb	[15:27]
chatcart	;;market buy 20000	[15:27]
gribble	This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16465.37 bitcoins, for a total of 6675396989.6532 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. \| Data vintage: 191.9064 seconds	[15:27]
taub	btcn stopped updating at bitcoincharts.com heh	[15:27]
taub	when it happens	[15:28]
random_cat_	not a moment sooner?	[15:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]	[15:28]
taub	no:>	[15:28]
random_cat	damn. was hoping for some hft action :D	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	firedrops because it doesn't actually pay out fiat.	[15:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]	[15:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]	[15:40]
kakobrekla	it pays alright	[15:41]
kakobrekla	but they charge 5%	[15:41]
kakobrekla	to make it work.	[15:41]
random_cat	;;market sell 20000	[15:43]
gribble	A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 5025556.4619 USD and would take the last price down to 210.9971 USD, resulting in an average price of 251.2778 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds	[15:43]
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firedrops	who has the best gold for btc service?	[15:46]
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random_cat	i'll reccommend me for the occasional trade; what is your locale, firedrops?	[15:50]
random_cat	(my record of gold trades for btc consists of 0 btc of 0 g of gold)	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/statuses/398419939788619776	[15:51]
ozbot	Twitter / BitcoinOracle: parabolic rise expected \| #bitcoin	[15:51]
random_cat	expected?	[15:52]
kleeck	Well if he says so...	[15:52]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally, if anyone has a reddit account be a sweetheart and put that torrent article up	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	you never know where the genius kid with the f function springs up	[15:57]
kleeck	Which article is that?	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/	[15:58]
ozbot	The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	look at that, ecb cut rates.	[16:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32500001 BTC [-]	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla was your panacea thing long eur ?	[16:03]
kakobrekla	nope	[16:04]
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nubbins`	hey folks	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	lucky!	[16:05]
nubbins`	great day to hold btc	[16:05]
nubbins`	innit?	[16:05]
kakobrekla	id argue it smart	[16:06]
kakobrekla	its*	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i dunno man. maybe for the people in the bitcoin top 500 it would be, but alas poor us...	[16:06]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: oh, you!	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla if you actually saw that one coming you're a better fx trader than me	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	course im not much of one, jus' sayin'.	[16:06]
kakobrekla	well in a sense the machine did.	[16:06]
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mircea_popescu	pretty cool.	[16:07]
nubbins`	"Suppose your computer is infected with a worm or virus. You want to disinfect it. What do you do? You boot it up from original write-protected install media. Sure, you have a copy of the operating system on the drive already, but you can't use that copy - it's the wrong Colour."	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	it's a good write-up.	[16:13]
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nubbins`	yeah, it actually is. however, correct me if i'm wrong, but if you've got a virus, your OS is not only the wrong colour, but also consists of different bits	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	the latter is not trivial to verify.	[16:14]
nubbins`	oh goodness no	[16:14]
nubbins`	better OS analogy would be "geniune" windows vs. a pirated version, perhaps	[16:14]
nubbins`	genuine = correct color	[16:15]
joecool	genuine™	[16:15]
nubbins`	a friend of mine recently started a CS degree, and posted about that Paranoia game last week	[16:15]
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nubbins`	"Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."	[16:18]
nubbins`	^ that must burn	[16:18]
kleeck	haha	[16:18]
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nubbins`	so, while i'm glad that putting a ton of btc into casascius coins prevented me from foolishly gambling them on "investments", i'm increasingly wary of their ability to hold their btc value long-term	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	well the truth is that other than that article he mostly writes crud	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	japanese fonts and w/e.	[16:24]
nubbins`	oh, lame	[16:25]
nubbins`	although the roman glyphs in Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std are particularly attractive	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, saudi arabia nao has nuclear weapons	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	curious if the us is going to start an invasion now >D	[16:26]
nubbins`	you're not curious about that at all ;)	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	you're not going to tell me that the rogue us government has actually been lieing about its motives all along	[16:28]
KRS-1	Can someone recommend a good guide for me so I can trade cash for BTC with someone I don't know? I want to go through some kind of intermediary like escrow.	[16:28]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmBOgbhfiY	[16:28]
ozbot	saudi skaters - YouTube	[16:28]
nubbins`	^ turn down volume before clicking	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	KRS-1 trading, in person you mean ?	[16:29]
KRS-1	no..i'm on one side of the US, this other fellow from IRC is on the other side.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	well, usually you check the wot.	[16:30]
KRS-1	$5K max probably.	[16:30]
KRS-1	I was thinking of that but have no idea how to use it..i understand its 3 way gpg	[16:30]
nubbins`	eh, not so much	[16:30]
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mircea_popescu	KRS-1 you go like this :	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	;;ident mircea_popescu	[16:30]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.	[16:30]
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joecool	nubbins`: i think its just saudis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiK7ciFttFI	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	then once they identify you can gettrust mircea_popescu	[16:31]
joecool	!ident mircea_popescu	[16:31]
KRS-1	hmm ok im reading the guide	[16:31]
joecool	;;ident mircea_popescu	[16:31]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.	[16:31]
joecool	;;gpg info mircea_popescu	[16:31]
gribble	User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.	[16:31]
kakobrekla	that is if you find someone in the otc you can deal with in the first place	[16:31]
nubbins`	^	[16:32]
kakobrekla	offerings are not too abundant imo	[16:32]
nubbins`	nah	[16:32]
KRS-1	I have already found someone	[16:32]
nubbins`	lot of children trading lunch money	[16:32]
malaimo	MCM-Mike Menoetius midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mixdio_ MobGod mod6 mpexbot myselfbtc	[16:32]
malaimo	MCM-Mike Menoetius midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mixdio_ MobGod mod6 mpexbot myselfbtc	[16:32]
KRS-1	not registered in wot	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	well then i would say you haven't found someone.	[16:33]
nubbins`	heh	[16:33]
KRS-1	maybe or it means he hasnt registered like i havent yet either	[16:33]
nubbins`	maybe	[16:33]
nubbins`	either way	[16:34]
kakobrekla	thats as good as nothing	[16:34]
joecool	lot of children trading lunch money < danieldaniel?	[16:34]
nubbins`	you really gonna trust them with $5k?	[16:34]
KRS-1	is this just backed up by ratings? nothing to enforce a fair trade?	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	maybe this is a good time to get registered then.	[16:34]
joecool	it's not lunch money, that 14 year old steals his parents CC's	[16:34]
nubbins`	joecool: can't keep track of them all. probably.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	KRS-1 well, you can ask someone you trust to escrow for you, but i dunno who would want to escrow fiat.	[16:34]
KRS-1	thought there was a 3 way gpg key that keeps everything locked up until mutual agreement has been made	[16:34]
nubbins`	joecool: i actually remember that guy's nick, he posted "i have come to the realization that i am poor" or something yesterday	[16:34]
nubbins`	i lel'd	[16:34]
nubbins`	of course you're poor, you're a child	[16:34]
joecool	well he's 14	[16:34]
KRS-1	ok thanks guys for your input i'm sure i'll figure something out	[16:35]
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nubbins`	KRS-1: i believe there is some sort of escrow-type transaction you can do if you involve a third party. not sure the details, and then you've gotta trust the escrow as well	[16:35]
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joecool	nubbins`: the best was when he loaned money to a heroin addict :)	[16:36]
nubbins`	"loaned"	[16:36]
kakobrekla	i wonder if satoshi square can provide over 100btc volume	[16:36]
joecool	yeah i dunno what's more wrong with that picture	[16:36]
KRS-1	damn heh BTC is in dire need of money services	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	KRS-1 the first step would be, of course, to get in the wot already.	[16:36]
nubbins`	inorite?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla mjr's thing ?	[16:37]
kakobrekla	yea	[16:37]
KRS-1	in progress	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	i haven't heard anything of it for a while	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	is it flash in the pan mode ?	[16:37]
kakobrekla	dunno	[16:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6275 = 2.51 BTC [-] {2}	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.00589999 = 0.8319 BTC [+] {2}	[16:44]
nubbins`	hm, anyone ever use .par files before?	[16:47]
nubbins`	(in the context of repairing bad .rar files)	[16:47]
pankkake	a long time ago. something isn't working?	[16:48]
firedrops	newsbin used to unpar them for me. Should be a single. .RAR in there somewhere.	[16:50]
firedrops	try that one?	[16:50]
firedrops	or repair the failing .par	[16:50]
joecool	par2repair derp.par2	[16:52]
joecool	p.simple	[16:52]
pankkake	" Long-term value of one bitcoin (10 years) " => someone's doing a 10 year bet? that's also betting bitbet will be around in 10 years :)	[16:52]
joecool	it'll tell you if you have enough parity to do it	[16:52]
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nubbins`	oh, i'm not having any problems	[16:54]
nubbins`	was just wondering if one could reconstruct a rar using ONLY pars	[16:54]
nubbins`	can't find any solid info on the limitations in this regard	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[16:55]
KRS-1	Request successful for user KRS-1	[16:55]
nubbins`	implication being that parity-checks generally aren't considered to infringe on copyrights	[16:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1304 @ 0.00109214 = 1.4242 BTC [-] {10}	[16:56]
thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[16:57]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: $avg	[16:57]
pankkake	in theory yes, you can brute force anything (ask miners!)	[16:57]
pankkake	I guess you could find a practical enough ratio of missing data	[16:58]
pankkake	it would be very expensive to inspect files	[16:58]
nubbins`	well, i mean, in general you need something to check parity against, y'know?	[16:58]
nubbins`	like, if you had one rar out of 100 and you had 99 pars, would you be able to reconstruct everything?	[16:59]
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pankkake	I don't know the details enough but I would think not	[16:59]
nubbins`	yeah. really hard to find concrete info on the limitations	[17:00]
kakobrekla	speaking of that 10 year bet, the bets are limited to 1 year afaik, the bet shall not pass!	[17:01]
nubbins`	YOU SHALL NOT PASS	[17:02]
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pankkake	I thought so. I tried to create some "in 2014" bets but the interface wouldn't let me	[17:02]
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pankkake	though it was only the js, I didn't try to submit	[17:02]
kakobrekla	everything is checked by mods so even if it goes through...	[17:03]
pankkake	so I'll wait to create those :)	[17:03]
pankkake	yeah, but I was surprised it wasn't rejected for that reason	[17:03]
kakobrekla	wait?	[17:03]
kakobrekla	me too!	[17:03]
pankkake	in other news my bitbet performance has quickly dropped :( perhaps I could count out my "hedge" bets but…	[17:04]
kakobrekla	i was thinking	[17:05]
kakobrekla	someone should make some "track this person" interfuck	[17:05]
nubbins`	so we took these idiots to court, and they lost, but when i was trying to file an order with the sheriff's office today, i learned that three of them just refused delivery of the court decision, so now i have to wait until some other sort of deadline has passed	[17:05]
nubbins`	it never ends	[17:05]
kakobrekla	so you find someone who makes good bets and just copy the motherfucker	[17:05]
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pankkake	well I do that now with the stats	[17:05]
nubbins`	;;gettrust KRS-1	[17:05]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS-1!~chris@38.103.148.98. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user KRS-1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=KRS-1 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS-1 \| Rated since: never	[17:05]
nubbins`	would not trade with	[17:06]
KRS-1	hah	[17:06]
nubbins`	;)	[17:06]
KRS-1	I have candy	[17:06]
nubbins`	is that a euphemism?	[17:06]
pankkake	on one bet I had a "omg who is stupid enough to bet this" moment, clicked stats, and the guy was losing most of his bet, so… :)	[17:06]
pankkake	bets	[17:06]
kakobrekla	social betting at its finest	[17:07]
kakobrekla	or socially assisted	[17:07]
nubbins`	"click here to share your poor decisions with friends"	[17:07]
kakobrekla	to be more exact	[17:07]
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kakobrekla	lol	[17:07]
kakobrekla	well i did found some heavy earners	[17:07]
kakobrekla	there are a few.	[17:08]
nubbins`	yeah, some of the guys betting on sports know what they're doing	[17:08]
nubbins`	which reminds me, "casino bitcoin" is doing another IPO on havelock this coming monday	[17:08]
KRS-1	^^ attractive	[17:08]
kakobrekla	another ?	[17:08]
nubbins`	yeah	[17:09]
KRS-1	3 more coming i think too	[17:09]
nubbins`	cheaper than the first	[17:09]
nubbins`	pretty lelly	[17:09]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:09]
pankkake	kakobrekla: there is http://predictionbook.com/	[17:09]
kakobrekla	was dat	[17:09]
pankkake	some sort of social betting	[17:09]
kakobrekla	i dont understand the site	[17:10]
kakobrekla	and it want me to register	[17:10]
kakobrekla	fu.	[17:10]
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pankkake	the guys using it love bets in general (lesswrong/overcomingbias community)	[17:10]
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pankkake	actually I told one of them about bitbet!	[17:10]
nubbins`	i think its like bitbet	[17:10]
nubbins`	but instead of winning money	[17:11]
nubbins`	you win internet points	[17:11]
pankkake	well you have to register, because there would be no shame in losing otherwise	[17:11]
kakobrekla	well its seems more dead than bitbet	[17:12]
kakobrekla	not that bb is dead in any way	[17:13]
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pankkake	"Bitcoin without Satoshi is like Apple without Jobs" :\|	[17:14]
kakobrekla	theres 2 services that could be built on top of it	[17:14]
pankkake	?	[17:14]
kakobrekla	im saying this here cause i know theres a bunch of you people here that can code and do nothing	[17:14]
nubbins`	<--	[17:15]
uglux	naah bitcoin is paypal without jobs :>	[17:15]
pankkake	eh :)	[17:15]
pankkake	what on top of what?	[17:15]
kakobrekla	nubbins` you said you are out of it	[17:15]
kakobrekla	on top of bb	[17:15]
nubbins`	yes, however, i can code ;)	[17:15]
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nubbins`	got promoted to senior programmer/analyst 6 months before i retired!	[17:15]
Namworld	Did you retire because you were getting old or because of BTC?	[17:16]
pankkake	I can code but have daily headaches :/ though finally made some progress today… at least I hope	[17:16]
nubbins`	because it was no fun and each morning it was a struggle to get out of bed and face the day	[17:16]
joecool	baw	[17:17]
nubbins`	anti-baw, actually	[17:17]
nubbins`	i sucked it up and quit, never been happier.	[17:17]
pankkake	I like programming, but not for other people	[17:17]
nubbins`	although technically we're all getting old	[17:17]
nubbins`	aren't we?	[17:18]
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kakobrekla	well, that reassuring http://bitbet.us/bet/591/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-750-usd/	[17:20]
pankkake	:o	[17:21]
dexX7	lol :D	[17:21]
pankkake	so what kind of services are you thinking of, or is it a secret? :p	[17:21]
kakobrekla	not a secreat at all, i just told you about one	[17:21]
dexX7	http://bitbet.us/bet/594/bitcoin-will-hit-300-before-christmas/ << done aalready	[17:21]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin will hit $300 before Christmas	[17:21]
kakobrekla	make a site when one can login, deposit coins and set the output addresses that he wants to follow with bets	[17:22]
kakobrekla	then you do the magic and take a cut	[17:22]
kakobrekla	the other is you can make a maket where people sell or buy their positions from the bets table	[17:22]
kakobrekla	also take a cut.	[17:22]
pankkake	ooh, ok. I didn't understand it that way :)	[17:23]
kakobrekla	in the second case, you just make it so they use winning address that you provide to them	[17:23]
kakobrekla	once the bet is confirmed you can accredit it to their account on your site	[17:23]
kakobrekla	simple really.	[17:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00224945 = 0.198 BTC [+]	[17:30]
nubbins`	lel @ that 750usd bet	[17:33]
nubbins`	imagine	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 494 @ 0.00109 = 0.5385 BTC [-]	[17:37]
nubbins`	i got another "you just sold a bunch of shit for below cost" email from coingig.	[17:40]
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nubbins`	you'd think that for a "sell shit for btc" website, they'd, you know, STORE THE PRICE OF ITEMS IN BTC	[17:40]
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kakobrekla	what is coin gig	[17:40]
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nubbins`	it's like bitmit, but shitty	[17:40]
nubbins`	well. shittier	[17:40]
nubbins`	you set item price at, say, 1 btc	[17:41]
nubbins`	it saves the current usd equivalent of 1 btc	[17:41]
nubbins`	and then auto-adjusts the btc price as the rate changes	[17:41]
bitesak_	kakobrekla: what you hinted at, is it such as described here: http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/#comment-92136 ?	[17:41]
the20year1	but bitcoin is what matters, who cares about USD?	[17:42]
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jurov	jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago. <<< yes and fixing that was reasonable i don't think they should be riced further to detriment of other stuff.	[17:42]
jurov	*but i don't think	[17:43]
kakobrekla	bitesak_ he describes a market maker which defo should help with such setup i described	[17:44]
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bitesak_	indeed, specifically you are pointing to the ability of getting out of your bet before settlement?	[17:45]
kakobrekla	well the ability to trade a position	[17:46]
kakobrekla	mening one can get out early or get in late	[17:46]
firedrops	pardon my ignorance, but isn't tradehill shutterred right now? where would one hedge with bitbet currently?	[17:54]
kakobrekla	tradehill, thats kenna scammy exchange	[17:54]
kakobrekla	not a betting site	[17:54]
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kakobrekla	or did he switch to something else again	[17:54]
firedrops	so where do you trade contracts?	[17:54]
the20year1	newspapers	[17:55]
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kakobrekla	obvioulsy on the PREMIER predictions market predictious.com	[17:55]
kakobrekla	lol.	[17:55]
firedrops	basically, does that trilema article system work against a tradehill alternative?	[17:55]
firedrops	ha, I haven't investiaged, but your attitude tells me they are not premier :)	[17:56]
kakobrekla	firedrops tradehill is like mtgox, bitstamp...	[17:56]
kakobrekla	kinda thing.	[17:56]
kakobrekla	not a betting site	[17:56]
kakobrekla	but yeah intrade is down	[17:56]
kakobrekla	im not aware of good alternatives	[17:56]
kakobrekla	except bb.	[17:56]
firedrops	thanks kako, a bunch of forums ppl say cryptoexchange...	[17:58]
kakobrekla	cryptoexchange?	[17:58]
kakobrekla	what about them	[17:58]
firedrops	good question, their site won't load... anywho. bitbet for now. unless someone knows a tradehill alternative?	[17:59]
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kakobrekla	ok for the third time, bitbet doesnt do what tradehill does	[18:00]
kakobrekla	for that matter i dunno if tradehill even does anything	[18:00]
kakobrekla	but they are suppose to be btc/usd exchange	[18:00]
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kakobrekla	bitbet is a betting site	[18:00]
kakobrekla	nothing to do with dollars	[18:00]
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firedrops	gotcha.	[18:01]
kakobrekla	if you are buying or selling btc - bitbet will do you no good	[18:01]
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firedrops	nope, I was trying to folow that comment from MP on trilema...	[18:01]
kakobrekla	if you are betting on stuff, tradehill or whatever site will not do you any good	[18:01]
firedrops	about hedging..	[18:01]
kakobrekla	but he is not talking about heding btcusd	[18:02]
kakobrekla	you could use mpex options for that	[18:02]
firedrops	o yeah.	[18:02]
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imsaguy	thank you	[18:02]
imsaguy	because if you didn't, I was about to.	[18:02]
imsaguy	holy balls have people gone stupid.	[18:03]
firedrops	that's would assume knowledge at some point...	[18:03]
kakobrekla	holly balls have i gone patient.	[18:03]
kakobrekla	since teh forum banned me i reckon	[18:04]
firedrops	that too, thanks btw.	[18:04]
kakobrekla	i get less pissy.	[18:04]
imsaguy	why'd you get banned?	[18:08]
imsaguy	scammer?	[18:08]
imsaguy	oh wait, they don't ban the scammers	[18:08]
imsaguy	just label them and let them keep coming back	[18:08]
imsaguy	why'd they ban you?	[18:08]
pankkake	for having a slanderous soul	[18:09]
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kakobrekla	imsaguy they dont ban nor tag them anymore	[18:10]
kakobrekla	just honest ppl liek me!	[18:10]
kakobrekla	i pissed the morning piss on garr for a week and he gets all butthurt and calls his shill to the rescue. the rest is clear.	[18:12]
imsaguy	what?	[18:12]
imsaguy	you got banned for calling someone out?	[18:13]
kakobrekla	yea	[18:13]
imsaguy	please have a link handy	[18:13]
imsaguy	I gotta read this	[18:13]
kakobrekla	its, as tortila would say, de-leeted	[18:13]
imsaguy	woah	[18:13]
imsaguy	so they banned you and didn't keep the thread?	[18:13]
kakobrekla	it was in his cog thread	[18:13]
kakobrekla	and yes i was deleted	[18:13]
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imsaguy	heh	[18:13]
kakobrekla	and banned	[18:13]
imsaguy	oh wel	[18:13]
pankkake	you were the cog in the machine!	[18:14]
kakobrekla	hehe	[18:14]
imsaguy	what was garr's deal?	[18:14]
kakobrekla	shill	[18:14]
kakobrekla	selfshill	[18:14]
kakobrekla	selfacutionshill	[18:14]
kakobrekla	also general preorder scamishness	[18:14]
kakobrekla	i just hate all the fuckin pretending.	[18:15]
imsaguy	awesome	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00082714 = 4.4252 BTC [+]	[18:16]
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nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244967.msg3510410#msg3510410	[18:34]
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ozbot	[Photo] First of 2013 Casascius Silver Coins Now Available For Sale	[18:34]
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nubbins`	customer service win	[18:34]
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nubbins`	i hate to put the screws to the guy, but it's gotten ridiculous	[18:35]
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nubbins`	i'll sell you some of mine for the right price ;)	[18:36]
nubbins`	yeah, ditto	[18:37]
nubbins`	gotta re-balance	[18:37]
nubbins`	the buy market is pretty thin, they're high-ticket items in terms of fiat	[18:37]
dexX7	it's christmas soon, such things are wonderful gifts	[18:38]
nubbins`	yeah, no sense selling at a loss or anything like that	[18:38]
nubbins`	best offers i've gotten so far are like 1% over face value	[18:38]
nubbins`	clowns	[18:38]
nubbins`	i peeled the holo off one just to aggravate people in -otc ;p	[18:39]
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dexX7	lol you're mean	[18:40]
nubbins`	so is offering FV for a coin	[18:40]
dexX7	do you have casacius silver coins and if so, for what price do you sell them?	[18:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1253 BTC [-]	[18:41]
nubbins`	yes i do, and it depends on the coin	[18:41]
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nubbins`	the rare ones, i generally don't even bother giving people quotes	[18:41]
kakobrekla	yes chaang-noi	[18:41]
kakobrekla	2 months	[18:42]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0H6R7xRytk	[18:42]
ozbot	forever - YouTube	[18:42]
kakobrekla	the thing is someone from the mods told me that badbear was planning a ban attack	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32000002 BTC [-]	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12520001 BTC [-]	[18:43]
kleeck	.d	[18:43]
ozbot	510929738.01615 \| Next Diff in 1724 blocks \| Estimated Change: 8.6390% in 10d 22h 3m 34s	[18:43]
kakobrekla	then i pmed badbear and sent him to fuck off	[18:43]
kakobrekla	and then he also got all butthurt	[18:43]
kakobrekla	and new thread was in the mod section "who is leaking this shit"	[18:43]
kakobrekla	cause i caused him great pain while he was just doing his duties	[18:43]
kakobrekla	and this is unacceptable!	[18:43]
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kakobrekla	fucktard.	[18:44]
kakobrekla	apparently one must poses just the right amounts of scam and shil to be able to sustain on the forum	[18:45]
kakobrekla	my amounts are off.	[18:45]
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nubbins`	hm	[18:45]
nubbins`	who owns gribble?	[18:46]
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kakobrekla	nanotube	[18:46]
nubbins`	;;gettrust nubbins`	[18:46]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134201245.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=nubbins` \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins` \| Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013	[18:46]
nubbins`	neither of those 2 links is correct	[18:46]
nubbins`	the ` fucks it up	[18:46]
joecool	gj	[18:46]
nubbins`	thanks D:	[18:46]
joecool	` is the mark of the scammer on OTC	[18:46]
joecool	how much shit did they give you so far? :)	[18:46]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[18:46]
nubbins`	all the shit	[18:46]
kakobrekla	and by shit he means coins.	[18:47]
nubbins`	besides, 'mark of the beast' or not, the functionality is obv broken	[18:47]
kakobrekla	links work for me	[18:48]
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nubbins`	...hm	[18:48]
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nubbins`	oh, it's my client doing that, isn't it	[18:48]
nubbins`	it's highlighted up to the `	[18:49]
nubbins`	and then breaks	[18:49]
imsaguy	then use ""	[18:50]
imsaguy	;;gettrust "nubbins`" imsaguy	[18:50]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user imsaguy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=imsaguy \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=imsaguy \| Rated since: Tue Aug 2 19:24:18 2011	[18:50]
kakobrekla	nubbins` cas giving you trouble i see	[18:50]
nubbins`	customer service fail	[18:51]
nubbins`	i hate to call people out publicly, up to the point where i don't hate it at all, y'know what i mean?	[18:51]
kakobrekla	myea	[18:52]
kakobrekla	too bad the whole coin thingy is pointless	[18:52]
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nubbins`	well, y'know. tell me that 4 months ago :P	[18:52]
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nubbins`	;;tslb	[18:52]
kakobrekla	someone here prolly did.	[18:52]
gribble	Time since last block: 35 minutes and 26 seconds	[18:52]
imsaguy	seriously, his prices are crazy	[18:53]
imsaguy	and anyone that has bought them is... dumb.	[18:53]
nubbins`	go fuck yourself	[18:53]
imsaguy	thank you for confirming my statement.	[18:54]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[18:54]
nubbins`	i'm a coin collector; i collect coins	[18:54]
imsaguy	they aren't coins	[18:54]
imsaguy	do you collect car wash tokens?	[18:54]
pankkake	do you have buttcoins?	[18:54]
imsaguy	thats what they are.	[18:55]
nubbins`	imsaguy: i do, indeed, collect tokens	[18:55]
imsaguy	do you collect rocks?	[18:55]
imsaguy	how about leaves?	[18:55]
imsaguy	stds?	[18:55]
nubbins`	ooo lel you got me!	[18:55]
imsaguy	let me guess, you also collected beany babies and pogs	[18:56]
nubbins`	haha	[18:56]
nubbins`	don't stop	[18:57]
imsaguy	you're the tard that's collecting, not me	[18:57]
nubbins`	you got me again	[18:57]
nubbins`	man, words hurt ;(	[18:57]
nubbins`	such overwhelming feelings of shame	[18:58]
nubbins`	if only i'd asked some random dickhead for advice!	[18:58]
nubbins`	imsaguy: mind if i send you a PM the next time i need advice on something? you obv know what you're doing	[18:59]
pankkake	are you a hoarder too?	[18:59]
pankkake	I have the hoarder/collector bug	[18:59]
pankkake	though I mostly collect CDs	[18:59]
nubbins`	nah, i do a big purge every few years	[19:00]
nubbins`	fresh start	[19:00]
nubbins`	imsaguy: seriously, you'd be a great mentor	[19:02]
nubbins`	your words imply deep wisdom and knowledge	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00082907 = 7.4616 BTC [+] {2}	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108802 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
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nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3508814#msg3508814	[19:09]
ozbot	Official CaVirtex.com Thread	[19:09]
nubbins`	no withdrawing BTC from virtex	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]	[19:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]	[19:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.12259 = 0.3678 BTC [-]	[19:13]
nubbins`	^ at that rate, CFIG's second IPO on monday is gonna be a tough sell	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.625 = 1.25 BTC [-]	[19:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00599905 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}	[19:15]
pankkake	CFIG is doing a second IPO?	[19:16]
nubbins`	yes	[19:16]
pankkake	perhaps you mean CBTC	[19:16]
nubbins`	sorry, that's right	[19:17]
nubbins`	so many acronyms	[19:17]
kakobrekla	hey i want to do some ipos too!	[19:17]
pankkake	SMA	[19:17]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: go ahead!	[19:17]
nubbins`	SPO	[19:17]
nubbins`	subsequent public offering	[19:17]
kakobrekla	ok ill ipo AIPOC	[19:18]
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kakobrekla	amazing ipo company, that is.	[19:18]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:18]
nubbins`	the "c" could stand for consulting	[19:18]
nubbins`	and you just give people advice about IPOs	[19:18]
kakobrekla	like anyone would listen	[19:19]
imsaguy	stupid.	[19:19]
nubbins`	well, that's the thing about advice	[19:19]
pankkake	http://activelydisengaged.com/comic/actively-disengaged-96-theory-practice/	[19:24]
ozbot	Actively Disengaged #96 – Theory In Practice \| Actively Disengaged	[19:24]
kakobrekla	eh?	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.006 = 0.162 BTC [+]	[19:26]
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kakobrekla	i dont find that comic site funny at all	[19:31]
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nubbins`	i did the same D:	[19:35]
nubbins`	go (or baduk as i was introduced to it) is fun, but nobody knows how to play	[19:36]
kakobrekla	i played for a while	[19:36]
asciilifeform	i do.	[19:36]
kakobrekla	was even in the shop looking for a physical version	[19:37]
kakobrekla	and they didnt have it	[19:37]
kakobrekla	then i kinda forgot about it	[19:37]
nubbins`	ah	[19:37]
nubbins`	you need good pieces, plastic won't do	[19:38]
kakobrekla	that was like 5years+ ago	[19:38]
nubbins`	i've got a set of polished stone ones, they weigh a ton	[19:38]
kakobrekla	but yeah noone i know in RL plays it	[19:38]
nubbins`	very satisfying "clack" when you slap em down	[19:38]
mod6	;;tslb	[19:39]
gribble	Time since last block: 46 minutes and 13 seconds	[19:39]
nubbins`	oh my	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2489 @ 0.00109499 = 2.7254 BTC [+]	[19:39]
kakobrekla	nah	[19:40]
kakobrekla	bitbet says 3min	[19:40]
nubbins`	blockchain.info says 47	[19:40]
nubbins`	i guess that's what gribs checks	[19:40]
kakobrekla	5 block behind	[19:40]
pankkake	it's missing 5 blocks	[19:40]
pankkake	yesterday it was lagging too	[19:40]
nubbins`	tsk tsk	[19:41]
nubbins`	okay, i need to burn some screens, bbl	[19:41]
pankkake	looks like there was an orphaned block	[19:41]
nubbins`	oh and the mailman just dropped off a money order from one of the deadbeats, so woo!	[19:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1361 @ 0.00109499 = 1.4903 BTC [+]	[19:46]
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firedrops	pircea_momescu, you seems familiar, yet foreign...	[19:54]
pircea_momescu	firedrops lurk moar !	[19:54]
firedrops	pircea_momescu	[19:54]
pircea_momescu	firedrops lurk moar !	[19:54]
nubbins`	pircea_momescu	[19:54]
pircea_momescu	nubbins` lurk moar !	[19:54]
nubbins`	lel	[19:54]
firedrops	loverly	[19:54]
nubbins`	;;echo pircea_momescu	[19:54]
gribble	pircea_momescu	[19:54]
pircea_momescu	gribble lurk moar !	[19:54]
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pankkake	ah you found the last feature	[20:01]
pankkake	though I shouldn't make it reply without a question	[20:01]
nubbins`	good call	[20:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 495 @ 0.00109499 = 0.542 BTC [+]	[20:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.12373741 = 1.7323 BTC [+] {4}	[20:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]	[20:56]
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jimmybob	Active mining to bring 50th online tommrow. buy buy buy!!!!!	[20:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.006 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}	[20:59]
kakobrekla	wrong chan dude, #bitcoin-pump is for you	[21:00]
KRS-1	lol wtf	[21:00]
KRS-1	pircea_momescu looks familiary but I can't quite place it..	[21:01]
pircea_momescu	KRS-1 lurk moar !	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1024 @ 0.00108765 = 1.1138 BTC [-] {2}	[21:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1953 @ 0.00108626 = 2.1215 BTC [-] {2}	[21:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.006 = 0.186 BTC [-] {2}	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]	[21:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00082653 = 0.6612 BTC [-]	[21:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082605 = 24.5337 BTC [-] {3}	[21:48]
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Rts	Can anyone tell me - is it possible for round eyes to invest in 796??	[21:57]
assbot	123!	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	Rts what ?	[21:58]
joecool	chinese?	[22:00]
Rts	my apologies. I mean, is it possible for westerners to acquire shares of 796.com?	[22:00]
assbot	123!	[22:00]
kleeck	LOL	[22:00]
kleeck	"Round eyes"	[22:00]
pankkake	lol	[22:00]
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Rts	:D	[22:01]
joecool	round eyes do not zerg rush	[22:01]
pankkake	it's not korean	[22:01]
joecool	chinese are IRL zerg rushers	[22:01]
joecool	see Great Wall	[22:01]
Rts	or BTC	[22:02]
Rts	or BTC	[22:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 44494 @ 0.00010435 = 4.6429 BTC [-] {18}	[22:02]
joecool	do we have any chinese BTC knockoff yet?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	joecool ltc.	[22:02]
joecool	didn't think that was distinctly chinese	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	Rts is 796 that yet-another-scammy-exchange-wannabe ?	[22:03]
assbot	123!	[22:03]
Rts	I believe so, that _Chinese_ wannabe	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as it even sports a us flag, i;m sure it's an equal opportunity fleecer, go ahead.	[22:05]
Rts	No, I think it bars USers in the Prospectus	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	so they went to the trouble of making a us version just for nyah-nyah ? that's comedy.	[22:10]
the20year1	because baring investors works like that	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this has been useful in that next time i'm in a bar going to approach a chick it'll be all "hey, roundeyes! fancy a drink ?"	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	it's too weird not to work.	[22:14]
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firedrops	okay ppl. I have a coinbr account, HIM account, and finally I have 2btc. yes TWO! <--ballin'.	[22:16]
firedrops	but srsly, what is best investment currently?	[22:16]
the20year1	rentalstarter	[22:16]
*	mircea_popescu smiles inside.	[22:16]
the20year1	!	[22:16]
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firedrops	holy crap I missed rentalstarter entirely.... is it actually a good investment? didn't bitfunder just shutter?	[22:17]
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the20year1	I like it, granted with BF closing i'm not sure what we're going to do	[22:18]
the20year1	moreso if we want to take on more investments	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	the20year1 is it yours ?	[22:18]
the20year1	Yes	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	what's the elevator speech of it /	[22:19]
the20year1	Not familiar with the term	[22:19]
the20year1	Googling it	[22:19]
bubbalicious	elevator speech: he is renting out houses in the midwest..	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	ok. tell me what it is in 100 words sort of thing	[22:20]
the20year1	Pitch - We buy property, fix it up and rent it out. Then we refinance via low interest loans and move onto new properties. All properties have to have 20% ROI prior to leverage.	[22:20]
the20year1	Started off with $90k in funding via bitfunder, now have about $185k in assets	[22:20]
bubbalicious	roi in USD..	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	when did you start ?	[22:20]
the20year1	July	[22:20]
firedrops	hard to redo a house in btc	[22:20]
firedrops	so you convert all to fiat iimmediately?	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	so basically in july you were worth 900 btc and now you're worth 900 btc ?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	o no my bad. it's not 200, it's 300. you're now woprth 600 btc.	[22:21]
the20year1	We convert most of it	[22:21]
firedrops	^	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	but you can appreciate the point, yes ?	[22:21]
the20year1	Some people want USD denominated projects to hedge against BTC voatility	[22:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00658759 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {4}	[22:21]
the20year1	Sure, and that's the currency risk as always	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	right. well, you're a brave man.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	i discouraged various similar ventures with the simple fx argument. imo it's yet too soon, even if the business is in principle sound.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	in that you're a brave man. see you survive a coupla years somehow.	[22:22]
the20year1	Why wouldn't I survive?	[22:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00680945 = 0.1021 BTC [+] {3}	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	because it is tough to make 100% returns on your work only to have -50% returns in your accounting unit	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	through no fault of your own.	[22:23]
the20year1	My life doesn't depend on BTC fluxuations, nor does the business. If BTC outperforms the company, then the investors get less of a return, if the company outperforms BTC then they're even happier. Regardless for non-cryptos, we'll be outperforming just about everything	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	other people believed their life doesn't depend on btc fluctuations.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	those other people were broken.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, don't get me wrong, i'm not the enemy here.	[22:24]
kakobrekla	>we'll be outperforming just about everything <- even buy and hold (btc?)	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla well, they'll outperform 777.com at any rate.	[22:25]
kakobrekla	:p	[22:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1585 @ 0.00222909 = 3.5331 BTC [+] {4}	[22:25]
the20year1	Is BTC at current value a bubble or a long term thing? I was told by many, many, many people when we hit $250/btc that it would only go higher	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	well what many people say is not likelier to be true by even more saying it.	[22:26]
bubbalicious	mircea_popescu: doesn't s.nsa have some of the same issues? cardano at 0.35 btc is getting more expensive by the minute.	[22:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2608 @ 0.00245484 = 6.4022 BTC [+] {3}	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	bubbalicious amusingly, we have the converse advantage : only corp in the world tio be able to announce a price,	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	and then slash it by preorder open	[22:26]
bubbalicious	and then drop it :)	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	this is like sega's wet dream come true	[22:26]
bubbalicious	ok, so you have the converse issue. only an advantage if it keeps skyrocketing.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	but yes, without some very expert tacking, the fx issue is a big problem for all btc corps.	[22:27]
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firedrops	could someone give me the elevator speech for S.NSA?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the20year1, there's good fundamental reasons for the lift. i wouldn't call it a bubble. that's not to say it may not bubble yet. hopefully it won't, but 300 ain't it at anuy rate.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	firedrops strong crypto in hardware.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	all the tools one needs to make 100% systems, stuff no mob and no government can crack.	[22:30]
firedrops	that's something I can get behind. time for reading http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	(the "idle afternoon" speech is http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ )	[22:31]
firedrops	thank you	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm persuaded there won't be such a thing as long term btc without such a thing as nsa.	[22:31]
kakobrekla	unless the nsa shuts down.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	i suspect there's always going to be a pair of those	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	whatever they're called.	[22:33]
firedrops	as long as there is government..	[22:33]
firedrops	So where are the cardonos sold?	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	make no mistake about it, government there will ever be. whether it's the washington mob or the five families mob, it's gonna be something.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	people need the argumentum ad baculum.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	firedrops preorders not open yet.	[22:34]
firedrops	prototype?	[22:34]
bubbalicious	http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/	[22:35]
ozbot	S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	the prototype isn't sold :)	[22:35]
firedrops	but it exists, excellent. moar reading, thanks.	[22:35]
nubbins`	you guys have a delivery date in mind for those?	[22:36]
pankkake	someone created a ChinaCoin some months ago	[22:38]
pankkake	it's dead now	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	pankkake yeah.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ideally be in your hands before xmas	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	so ppl can give their gfs stuff this xmas!	[22:40]
nubbins`	oh, nice	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	(look honey, i got you the .35 btc cardano. yet another field in which btc is moar of an advantage)	[22:41]
nubbins`	(thanks sweetie, what's .35 btc in fiat? oh, lel, my goodness)	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999999 BTC [+]	[22:41]
nubbins`	silkscreened certificate of some sort would be a nice thing to find inside the box, cough cough	[22:42]
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KRS-1	mircea_popescu: your evil counterpart pircea_mopescu was in here earlier lol	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	o they changed ? nice.	[22:43]
bubbalicious	nubbins`: stop trying to cut into the profit margins :)	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#366081	[22:43]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:43]
nubbins`	bubbalicious: i could say the same to you	[22:44]
nubbins`	besides, nice packaging makes people feel like they've bought something valuable	[22:45]
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mircea_popescu	you know, this dispute between investors and subcontractors is the halmark of a functioning economy.	[22:45]
nubbins`	bubbalicious just doesn't realize what he wants	[22:46]
nubbins`	it's my job to try to show him	[22:47]
nubbins`	oh and if you were wondering, the trick to a good stew is to add some finely chopped potato right at the start	[22:48]
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mircea_popescu	fried in suet.	[22:49]
bubbalicious	well, if packaging matters than somebody needs to css nosuchlabs.com	[22:50]
bubbalicious	sprinkle on some bootstrap	[22:51]
bubbalicious	maybe some highcharts	[22:51]
nubbins`	web is dead, print is king	[22:51]
nubbins`	what are you gonna do, hang an XML fragment on your wall?	[22:51]
bubbalicious	there's a jquery function that does that.	[22:51]
bubbalicious	xml -> wall	[22:52]
nubbins`	"sweet, there's a usb stick with some awesome graphics inside the box!"	[22:52]
nubbins`	"a lot of care must have been put into this"	[22:52]
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bubbalicious	"it must be secure!" ;)	[22:52]
bubbalicious	ok ok nubs, what's your quote?	[22:52]
nubbins`	i don't know who you are D:	[22:53]
bubbalicious	and i have no authority	[22:53]
bubbalicious	puts me in a good negotiating position	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know romanian cure for headache ?	[22:53]
pankkake	I hope it's a blowjob	[22:53]
nubbins`	that's only a temp fix	[22:53]
pankkake	that's why I need lots of them!	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	it's like this : find two walls 8 inches apart. take a mouthful of milk and go bang your head in between the walls	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	until the milk turns to buttermilk	[22:54]
pankkake	:o	[22:54]
nubbins`	...	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	also the blowjob headache cure works FOR THE GIRL	[22:55]
kleeck	I swear there was a CoinTerra user on BTCTalk...	[22:56]
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mircea_popescu	there was.	[22:56]
kleeck	I'm trying to find some posts from that user.	[22:56]
nubbins`	perhaps they vanished in a puff of logic	[22:57]
kleeck	there we go	[22:57]
kleeck	caps sensitive...	[22:57]
kleeck	Last post was on 10/31...	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2013#372085 lmao	[22:58]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:59]
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kleeck	So, the last news update by HashFast was a delay due to substrates, but promising that shipping would not be delayed...	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	i still haven't figured out what word they misreplaced with "substrates"	[23:19]
TAT_Investments	pcb boards?	[23:20]
TAT_Investments	plastic casing?	[23:20]
nubbins`	couldn't find the DVD they backed up the schematics to?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	TAT_Investments the leading hypothesis is that they mean their chip packager fucked up.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	(to make a chip you take etched silicone/metal wafers and encase them in some plastic)	[23:22]
asciilifeform	almost certainly these: http://www.i-micronews.com/upload/image/PG/4%20chip%20stack%20on%20interposer.jpg	[23:22]
asciilifeform	(assuming they meant anything at all)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	so they use like a bga or something ?	[23:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66998998 BTC [+]	[23:24]
asciilifeform	likely a bga, and can't mount it in-house	[23:25]
asciilifeform	(need xray machine)	[23:25]
asciilifeform	so chances are they're sending away for them to be mounted.	[23:25]
kleeck	So they should've just said, "Hey, we completely fucked up our chips."	[23:25]
asciilifeform	i can't mount bgas with 100% working yield in my kitchen, either.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	kleeck nah, it wouldn't be the case.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	this is an asic house, right? afaik all of the current asics ship as bga...	[23:26]
asciilifeform	(btc asics that is)	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	something like this : if your distribution craps out your car is not "totally wrecked", nevertheless it;'s weird to say yo uhave a problem with the "showerheads"	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	perhaps that's overstating the point.	[23:27]
kleeck	All I know is, in biology, if your substrates are fucked up YOU are fucked up.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought most chips in the field are flatpacks/quads	[23:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the only btc asic i've seen alive (colleague's collection) was a bga.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm behind the tiems	[23:29]
asciilifeform	actually nope.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	it was one of these	[23:30]
asciilifeform	http://198.245.60.111/Pix/Erupter2.jpg	[23:30]
asciilifeform	quad flat pack.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	so i suppose somebody did have them packaged as bga, and now shoestring resellers are having a bit of headache.	[23:31]
the20year1	the USB erupters?	[23:31]
asciilifeform	btw this photo of the latter shows tell-tale signs of hand soldering	[23:32]
the20year1	scary	[23:32]
asciilifeform	(scorch marks, lower-right quadrant)	[23:32]
the20year1	my brother's failure rate on them has been quite low overall, around 0.25%	[23:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999 BTC [+]	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082467 = 6.2263 BTC [-] {2}	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]	[23:35]
nubbins`	yep, R2 knew the soldering iron intimately	[23:36]
nubbins`	scorched to shit	[23:36]
asciilifeform	probably just burnt flux	[23:36]
asciilifeform	chinese soldering girl, not permitted even toilet break, less than steady hand.	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	(boards are probably a buck more at plants where they allow toilets.)	[23:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 140 @ 0.00689998 = 0.966 BTC [+]	[23:53]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it can't be a dollar more.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	in fact, if they had the sense to install cameras it'd prolly be a buck less.	[23:54]
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benkay	will it ever make sense again to actually buy land, given the returns acruing to btc?	[23:59]
benkay	land/apartments etc	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[23:59]

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