Forum logs for 31 Jan 2018
| mod6: | bdsm club was a bust? | [00:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | as far as anyone knows, the only bdsm thing in this 8 mn strong city is an item calling itself "club sweet perversions" and limiting self to a facebook page, because why the fuck not, right. if you call their number (319 2137590) some dorky woman tells you it's on caracas and 62nd. except when you actually get there and there's no such thing (just a buncha three story love hotels with overexcited porters trying to get you to park in!!!). then she tur | [00:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ns the phone off, because totally, that's the way to win. | [00:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bogota night life is like buenos aires night life, present in the form of a choir invisible only. | [00:04] |
| mod6: | ugh | [00:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you should see how fucking deserted the streets are. maaaybe five people per mile, of which four police. DANGEROUS | [00:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | how the fuck can an empty street be dangerous ? what's it gonna do, fall on you ? | [00:05] |
| mod6: | i like your sense of adventure | [00:06] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i dunno man... | [00:07] |
| mod6: | bogota is supposed to be uber dangerous area, you figure, let's inspect this danger. only to find, no one is even there! | [00:08] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. | [00:08] |
| mp_en_viaje: | imagine this, here i sit in bogota, columbia, like a man in a desert. | [00:09] |
| mp_en_viaje: | mod6, cuz they keep talking to each other, end up believing all sorts of shit. | [00:09] |
| mod6: | ya, rumor upon rumor. "i heard they ride motorcycles and shoot eachother" | [00:10] |
| mod6: | were there a lot of young kids on motorcycles with uzis? | [00:10] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it's larger than fucking ny. they'd bettuer fucking ride motorcycles and shoot each other SOMEWHERE | [00:10] |
| mod6: | haha. | [00:11] |
| mp_en_viaje: | mod6, nope. moreover, i think if they had an uzi they'd hock it and buy a helmet | [00:11] |
| mp_en_viaje: | o btw, recently they passed a law here (like, last fri) that it is no longer permissible for males over 14 to ride bitch | [00:11] |
| mp_en_viaje: | they needed a law to tell them this! | [00:11] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and the fucking bikers protested it! | [00:12] |
| mod6: | dafaq. | [00:12] |
| * asciilifeform | recalls for some reason the schmeisser and stahlhelm in buenos aires junkshop | [00:12] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i have nfi. | [00:12] |
| asciilifeform: | what means 'ride bitch' ? sidecar ? | [00:13] |
| mod6: | no, on the back | [00:13] |
| asciilifeform: | aaa | [00:13] |
| mod6: | like if i was riding, and told you to put your arms around me. | [00:13] |
| mod6: | nothing looks funnier than two dudes on a bike, dick to ass. | [00:14] |
| asciilifeform: | lol! | [00:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you know ? | [00:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | dudes locked up the hotel, too. probably because "dangerous", cuz that's gonna deter flamin' bike ridin' bitches shooting uzis : mariott's fucken glass doors. hurr. | [00:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but, get this -- these idiots DID make the elevator not work if you don't have your magical key card, so i had to comandeer a maid to get me to my floor. cuz that's fuckinguseful, needing your key for the elevator | [00:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | HOWEVER they didn't have the fucking sense to make my key open the main gate. fucking banks can figure out this much for atm, but not these dorks. so i gotta wait there for a guard to show up and unlock it and wish me welcome, after the outside guard asks me n times what my room number is. | [00:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | cuz that's how you fucking welcome guests proper five star like, by having them wait for your dumbass minimum wagers to open their door. | [00:24] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey was it the randomly and spontaneously self-demagnetizing magickey, like in ro hotels ? | [00:24] |
| mp_en_viaje: | no i think these are chipped | [00:24] |
| asciilifeform: | hightech. | [00:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meaning they can be range extended and all the res tof the crapola | [00:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hightech in the sense of nightlife. | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | i have a handy little faraday sack for these | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | worx, tested. cost a buck. | [00:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | who the fuck locks hotels anyway. AT ELEVEN. "we like to pretend world only exists while sun is up. at sunset great dragon swallows everything" | [00:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the cause of all the world's problems is strictly average intelligence dorks going about things "as per their best guess". | [00:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | anyway, statistics : this month 149 people died violently. 9 on january 1st, over drunken arguments with family. 9 because https://thecitypaperbogota.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/bridge2.jpg on jan 15th. and so fucking following. | [01:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mp_en_viaje> he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital. << And this is why they waited until Brasilero vacation season ended to take their vacations. | [07:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mp_en_viaje> if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you. << Aha. Scares theives and identifies potentially interesting chicas! | [07:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mp_en_viaje> the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. << I believe. During the night walks there will be a lot of empty street and 1 bar where apparently the party is at, most locals crowded outside asking each other who has the weed hookup while the girlies grind in crowded basement dance trap. | [08:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | I suppose after the plugging in and the monthly statementing that I should write a tourism guide to Montevideo for alf et al | [08:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility" | [08:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | But they still have their PARKOUR! | [08:29] |
| ave1: | re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778269, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778038 ie. mp-wp & comments on nfs (php 5.6) | [08:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-30 23:12 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list. | [08:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-29 17:14 asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer | [08:45] |
| ave1: | you'll need to update the suffix for the form names in comments.php (in the theme) | [08:47] |
| ave1: | suffix wrong <-> no user name, no email etc | [08:47] |
| ave1: | and the tag filtering is two-leveled, one in the wp-comments-post.php | [08:48] |
| ave1: | which worked | [08:48] |
| ave1: | but another in wp-includes/kses.php | [08:49] |
| ave1: | which did not work | [08:49] |
| ave1: | look for the function definition of wp_kses_split | [08:49] |
| ave1: | the anonymous function($match) | [08:50] |
| ave1: | needs to be function($match) use($allowed_html, $allowed_protocols) | [08:51] |
| ave1: | or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away | [08:51] |
| ave1: | so, no setting, but a old wordpress / new php problem | [08:52] |
| ave1: | an* | [08:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0. | [08:56] |
| mp_en_viaje: | xgamma does nothing. /sys/class/backlight doesn't exist. ye olde grub trick (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor") does nothing. | [08:57] |
| mp_en_viaje: | dmesg has some acpi entries, BUT NO VIDEO ANYTHING. fucking lspic has nothing related to vga!!! at.all. | [08:58] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i am using a screen called "default" that manifestly does not exist in any way except to fucking burn my eyes off. | [08:59] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: afaik last portabox where errythingworx is ye olde x60 | [09:00] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what can i tell you, it passed the mechanical test | [09:00] |
| mp_en_viaje: | (very nice chassis actually( | [09:00] |
| ave1: | would this work?: xrandr --output DP2 --gamma 0.5:0.5:0.5 | [09:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses and a kernel conf ) | [09:01] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ave1, --current says the screen's name is "default" | [09:01] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yields "xrandr: Gamma size is 0" | [09:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | which makes sense, seeing how there's a bevy of bs in find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*' all of which permantly welded to either 0 or 255 | [09:03] |
| ave1: | hmm | [09:03] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: in some shittops, it was possible to adjust brightness ~during boot init~ with the fkeys | [09:04] |
| asciilifeform: | try it | [09:04] |
| mp_en_viaje: | worth a shot but i don't feel like rebooting my windows terminal yet again | [09:05] |
| asciilifeform: | then only cure is sunglasses, lol | [09:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | (resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver) | [09:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i think it literally may be the worst bios interface i have ever seen. ever. including 1990s almost-compatible days. | [09:06] |
| asciilifeform: | hp, recall, had a clitler, whole product line went to shit irrecoverably | [09:07] |
| mp_en_viaje: | C9K94UC#ABA (hp eliteboook 8470p) for the precision minded. i wouldn't recommend buying it, even though the chassis may seem fine. | [09:08] |
| asciilifeform: | seems to be mentioned in re 'video.use_native_backlight=1' kernel knob | [09:12] |
| asciilifeform: | might be also worth a shot | [09:12] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i'd have to recompile ? | [09:14] |
| asciilifeform: | nah, boot knob | [09:14] |
| asciilifeform: | in place of the 'vendor' thing | [09:14] |
| asciilifeform: | supposedly worx on the ones with intel vga | [09:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | a grub ? well iguess lessee. | [09:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bbs | [09:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, that did nothing however the "fn f9 will work during boot only" part is correct -- they do. | [09:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i would say this is a glorious example of idiocy, imagine, the thing ~would work~ if just left the fuck alone. but smething in boot process fucks up my keys. | [09:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778722 << eh, major international my foot. city run by africans is run by africans is the whole story. | [09:25] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility" | [09:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, the problem is that there is not that bar here. | [09:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: brightness knob on post-2007ish lappy is not properly hardwaristic, demands os support, and only happens to work during boot because still in realmode, and biosism works | [09:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | wait, is the "protected" mode how you do the useful things such as you know, rowhammer et all ? | [09:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | give me back my fuckingreal mode dos. | [09:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ^^ | [09:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i do not want this laptop to even fucking have protected mode. protect what from what ? noty, 32bit realmode for the win. | [09:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | who even signed off on the "we will cease maintaining realmode" doctor's note ? | [09:27] |
| asciilifeform: | uh realmode is the classical 16bit segmented one | [09:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | has no intrinsic reason to be 16 bit. | [09:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | make a 32 bit one. | [09:28] |
| asciilifeform: | cuz intel dropped as a child in 1978 | [09:28] |
| asciilifeform: | you can do similar item in amd64 mode tho, 64bits but you map it all to contiguous addr space, like terry davis did. | [09:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ( you do it once and then forget about the page table ) | [09:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | how about never mind about that and just do a 32bit realmode version, at the hardware level. | [09:29] |
| asciilifeform: | the terminology is specific to intel crapola | [09:29] |
| asciilifeform: | it has no meaning outside of it | [09:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yes i know, but what'd you have me call the refusal of post 1989 "progress" ? | [09:30] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta be moar specific | [09:30] |
| asciilifeform: | which item to throw out. i'ma guess whole mpu. | [09:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ok. you know how computers worked back in the 80s and then some pre-unicode fuckfaces came up with "protected" mode, which was "better" and "upgrade" ? | [09:31] |
| asciilifeform: | orig item had 0 to do with seekoority, but rather with preventing 1 buggy proggy from taking down whole box | [09:31] |
| asciilifeform: | ( in re 'memory protection' ) | [09:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | oh these are distinct ? | [09:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | spare me. | [09:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i do not want ANYTHING down the protected mode tree. i want the real mode tree continued. update it for wider busses. | [09:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | that's it. | [09:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i don't want the fucking bs of hey mp we notice your brightness keys do not work would you like to restart the program. | [09:33] |
| asciilifeform: | oh those still won't work, in shitware bios | [09:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "Due to the enhancements added by protected mode, it has become widely adopted and has become the foundation for all subsequent enhancements to the x86 architecture" << FUCKING BULLSHIT. | [09:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | see ? the original pantsuitism in computers started cca 1985 or so. when they killed the main branch, in order to pretend that the pantsuit branch "has all the features" | [09:34] |
| asciilifeform: | y'know , bios dun have to be written by tards | [09:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | all the USEFUL features could have existed in real mode branch with a minimum of effort. but they CHOSE to not do this. | [09:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | so no, protected mode hasn't become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering. | [09:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and you know, actual men tried to resist this idiocy. all through the 286 era ~nobody used unicodemode bs. | [09:36] |
| asciilifeform: | there isn't , on x86olade, a 'longer than 16b regs, no segmentation, but no mpu and bios calls work' mode. | [09:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | then finally folded cca 85-86 | [09:36] |
| asciilifeform: | for one thing, bios crapola typically written in classical 16b real. | [09:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits. | [09:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it could just as well be 64 bit . | [09:37] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a 'grandmother with balls', could have sane cpu defined in 100pgs of a4, with no 'modes' at all, and no segments, and no idiocy, if intel had not succeeded in killing dec alpha, say | [09:38] |
| asciilifeform: | intel arch was a trisomy from day1 | [09:38] |
| asciilifeform: | and not fixable. | [09:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | fucking annoying. | [09:38] |
| asciilifeform: | intel was the king of retardation even in the 16b era. e.g. 68k was sane | [09:39] |
| asciilifeform: | no segments, and easily logically 'widened' if anyone had bothered. | [09:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | this whole "o no mp, but the karnel must have a special place i ncpu" bs. IF IT DOES BAKE IT. | [09:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "levels" of software, hear me wail. | [09:41] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform has a whole www about this, lol | [09:42] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "but mp, our users need to run random code they have no idea about all the time" "no they don't" | [09:42] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "and besides, correct programs can't even be written" "so then why should they be priviledged ?" "no, see, kernel can be correct because fly eyes fly like fruit." | [09:42] |
| asciilifeform: | dunforget 'oh but it improves allthetime!' lul | [09:44] |
| mp_en_viaje: | fucking disgraceful. | [09:45] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and at every single fucking twist and turn, too. instead of limiting "firmware" to data, to be executed by bios or gtfo, instead let's "virtual machines" and acpi. | [09:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | why the everloving fuck would i imagine the solution is for the kernel to choose from a list maintained by the fucking power button | [09:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | going exactly the wrong way, its like sweeping from the road into the house. | [09:48] |
| asciilifeform: | whole arch was retarded, and born damaged, just about errything you see on top of it, is the top of a series of forced mistakes. | [09:49] |
| asciilifeform: | crapola all the way down. | [09:49] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer" | [09:50] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice. | [09:50] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s acpi | [09:50] |
| a111: | 26 results for "acpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=acpi | [09:50] |
| mp_en_viaje: | doh. | [09:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ know why acpi ? so that chip vendors can keep moarshit under nda etc. | [09:50] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to" | [09:50] |
| asciilifeform: | aaha. | [09:50] |
| asciilifeform: | and of course 'standardized' by microshit. | [09:51] |
| asciilifeform: | whole arch as it exists today -- is a microshit production. | [09:51] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ie, "bad behaviour made mandatory" http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-109.416 | [09:51] |
| asciilifeform: | exactly so. | [09:51] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald | [09:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, iirc toshiba also participated. | [09:52] |
| asciilifeform: | buncha bootlicks, participated. | [09:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it ) | [09:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778736 << o wow. | [09:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 13:51 ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away | [09:58] |
| asciilifeform: | selected gems : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764319 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-26#1145947 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374233 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560926 . | [09:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs. | [09:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM. | [09:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions." | [09:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch. | [09:58] |
| mp_en_viaje: | nice work findingthat ave1 | [09:58] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia. | [10:01] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ave1, would you consider gutting that entire class as a patch ? i have nfi why a "kses" bs is even needed. seems a case of giraffe's jugular. | [10:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense. | [10:03] |
| asciilifeform: | re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' ) | [10:58] |
| asciilifeform: | 'everything has already been decided in NDA-protected conference rooms' etc | [10:59] |
| asciilifeform: | or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized | [11:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver ! | [11:06] |
| asciilifeform: | and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc | [11:07] |
| asciilifeform: | if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it. | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc ) | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | !~ticker --market all | [11:33] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9929.64, vol: 19696.00023041 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10050.0, vol: 64826.00483041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9900.0, vol: 12935.584376 | Volume-weighted last average: 10005.7659053 | [11:33] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778747 << bios patched, but i haven't tried kernel conf, i'm running freebsd on it. | [11:42] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 14:01 asciilifeform: ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses and a kernel conf ) | [11:42] |
| asciilifeform: | aa neato | [11:42] |
| phf: | freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything | [11:43] |
| * asciilifeform | not much interested in post-clangization freebsd and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: did it ever get a working /dev/random back ? | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | and out of curiosity, what else got butchered ? | [11:44] |
| phf: | well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | was more symptom than disease | [11:45] |
| phf: | right | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were | [11:46] |
| phf: | well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now | [11:47] |
| phf: | newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | ahahahahahaha | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor. | [11:48] |
| phf: | https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | and is there a systemd on freebsd yet | [11:48] |
| phf: | "encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no" | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lol not even vga term support anymoar | [11:49] |
| phf: | etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha | [11:51] |
| phf: | all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~ | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | can get back the old terms ? or not ? | [11:51] |
| phf: | yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf | [11:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf | [11:52] |
| phf: | i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc. | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | waitasec , touch screen ? | [11:53] |
| phf: | err, wacom | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | but it also was entirely diff chipset, and wouldn't possibly eat my bios | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | what box is this, exactly, phf ? | [11:54] |
| phf: | x60, says so on the label | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | but the screen folds back, and it has pen ? | [11:55] |
| phf: | yes | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | interesting. | [11:55] |
| doppler: | there were tablet versions of both the x60 and x61 | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | hm, 'x60t' apparently. | [11:56] |
| * asciilifeform | had nfi. | [11:56] |
| doppler: | that's the nickname, yeah | [11:56] |
| * asciilifeform | has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60. | [11:57] |
| phf: | half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc. | [11:58] |
| phf: | likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | sounds like sad ghost town | [11:58] |
| mod6: | The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai! | [11:59] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey mod6 | [12:00] |
| shinohai: | o7 mod6 ty | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: thus far sounds about as much fun as a winblowz vista box | [12:00] |
| mod6: | yw shinohai | [12:00] |
| mod6: | hai phf, asciilifeform | [12:00] |
| mod6: | how goes? | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: err, strike that, suspend mode worked on vista!11 | [12:01] |
| phf: | eh, i haven't found anything that worked better or worse. everywhere i have to carve a haven, but put it on top of quicksand | [12:02] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw my gentoo recipe was written when i was preparing x60 | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however ) | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | but e.g. emacs, gnat, irc, etc run | [12:03] |
| phf: | sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs. | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | suspendmode worx | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | xconfig took 5min | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | mouse worx, audio even worx.. | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these ) | [12:05] |
| asciilifeform: | the box ate ssd without complaint, even. | [12:06] |
| asciilifeform: | the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done. | [12:06] |
| phf: | gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then! | [12:07] |
| asciilifeform: | i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage. | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( notably this proved impossible , without complete manual control over ~everything~, under openbsd. as per old thread. ) | [12:09] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | it is still afaik the healthiest horse in the glue factory. | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box. | [12:13] |
| phf: | yes, that would be the meaning of "all of" | [12:13] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and took maybe a week to produce, starting from empty disks ) | [12:13] |
| mp_en_viaje: | motherfucker | [12:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i fucking hate this town | [12:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | utter fucking shithole omfg | [12:14] |
| asciilifeform: | lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ? | [12:14] |
| mod6: | :D | [12:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left. | [12:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. | [12:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota" | [12:18] |
| mp_en_viaje: | 100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got. | [12:18] |
| asciilifeform: | 'ooh you thought this was a restaurant, not a sov factory cafeteria? funny' | [12:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference, | [12:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | they're not DOING anything just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure. | [12:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!" | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | hey, capitalism!11, 'if you can convince eaters to eat sawdust, you MUST', etc | [12:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5 | [12:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but n ocab with ac. in fact, no cab with passenger armrest. buncha entry level hyyndai hatchbacks | [12:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | anyways | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | why wouldja want to sit in a cab for hour?! to go to brazil?? | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ? | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ( limos, possibly ? but cabs?! ) | [12:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | everywhere else wtf. | [12:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i didnt even know they still made cars without, why the everloving would you | [12:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, bogota is like, larger than delaware, you understand. | [12:27] |
| asciilifeform: | or hm didja mean the thing attached to the inside of door | [12:27] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: right, ~same as nyc | [12:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yes i meant. | [12:28] |
| asciilifeform: | aa. | [12:28] |
| asciilifeform: | dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then | [12:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | so you don't sit there like miss xue yue in the chicken coop. | [12:28] |
| asciilifeform: | what was that | [12:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks | [12:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | wheels* | [12:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | anyway, it's actually 2x ny area. | [12:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | 1600 sqkm or some shit. | [12:31] |
| trinque: | a lot of them have the middle one too, folds out of back seat | [12:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | right. | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ? | [12:32] |
| asciilifeform: | or only proper autos | [12:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything. | [12:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | anything at all. | [12:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | all day long 100% all effort spent trying to ~look a certain way~. | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | loox like another chinese victory then. like buenosaires. | [12:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i dunno what the chinese are to blame for. | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | same thing as the enablers of BingoBoingo's 'fupas' | [12:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | this is the result of decolonialization. left cape town in the hands of subhuman locals, no more water | [12:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | left bogota in hands of inferior native stock, it shows. | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | did the thing ever have a civilized colonial past ? or was always shithole ? | [12:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "forced mistake, mp, spanish women starting spawning betwetters named arthur blair, wha tcan you do" "mmkay" | [12:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | had great past. was as cool as cuba. | [12:35] |
| * asciilifeform | had nfi | [12:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yup. | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | sorta why i wonder re places like astana. where colonial past is not so long gone, corpse still warm | [12:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | if they're not being actively oppressed, and i mean with pillories and whole village rapes, the temperature of the corpse dun matter. | [12:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778886 << this sounds so exactly in uniform... | [12:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 16:51 phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~ | [12:38] |
| phf: | https://pineapplefund.org/ << "The organization was started in December by an anonymous donor who goes by the nickname Pine and claims to be among the 250 largest holders of Bitcoin in the world. The fund aims to give away $86 million worth of Bitcoin, and has already given $20 million worth of the currency to 13 organizations, including... | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | lol waterfall dun even bother with seekricy anymoar | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day. | [14:58] |
| phf: | terrorists? | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | aaha. | [14:59] |
| trinque: | "because once you have enough money, money doesn't matter" | [14:59] |
| trinque: | the final stage of all human development is saintly socialism, srsly | [15:00] |
| phf: | well, it's 2017 equivalent of "buying pizza" | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | industrial-grade waterfall and usg catemite meritwash in 1 package, who could want moar. | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | *catamite | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | !~ticker --market all | [15:03] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9954.42, vol: 14739.97500003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10039.0, vol: 48526.51074645 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9929.0, vol: 10312.36985 | Volume-weighted last average: 10006.6392389 | [15:03] |
| mod6: | !~tslnb | [15:11] |
| jhvh1: | mod6: Error: "tslnb" is not a valid command. | [15:11] |
| mod6: | !~tslb | [15:11] |
| jhvh1: | mod6: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 3 seconds | [15:11] |
| * trinque | got a txn out last night with 0.00038 fee | [15:12] |
| trinque: | seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around | [15:12] |
| mod6: | perhaps, ya. | [15:13] |
| mod6: | my node has been caught up for >24 hours. | [15:14] |
| mod6: | loooking good | [15:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << hey, at least we know how we're standing. | [15:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 19:58 asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day. | [15:37] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779009 <<< and guess what "srs business" with "expertise" and whatnot forgot to send kakobrekla and the rest to thank me for saving their dumbass despite themselves. | [15:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-01-31 20:12 trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around | [15:39] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and so following. | [15:39] |
| trinque: | the ass-kissing line would be too long by now ain't nobody got time for that | [15:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the problem with imbeciles is exactly the problem of bogota, buenos aires, whatever : they don't actually want to do any specific thing. they just want to look a certain way. | [15:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | so all these discussions of causes and how things work and etc, it's so much mathwank. bimbo got her antenna tuned to different gucciquencies. | [15:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | which are like frequencies except better, because frequencies priviledge the speed of light rather than other speeds much more important to us. like the speed of gucci. | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | imho there is elementarily not enuff bleeding happening. | [15:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i am satisfied that we're not discussing intellects capable of realising when they're being bled. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | all kindsa nonsense that oughta have been painfully lethal -- still unpunished. | [15:42] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but anyway, bbl. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348086 << see also. | [15:42] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ ! | [15:42] |
| * asciilifeform | also bbl, teatime. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lamers, https://archive.is/g7CB5 >> 'Lenovo Fingerprint Manager Pro, which is typically installed on ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, and ThinkStation models...' has hardcoded pw. etc | [16:27] |
| mod6: | lol | [16:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | lol aw, wish i'd seen that | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | bother_bvulpes (2df897f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.248.151.247) has joined #trilema << lolwat | [18:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | link from the tranny pieces | [18:04] |
| asciilifeform: | waiwat | [18:04] |
| asciilifeform: | where was this | [18:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer | [18:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/#trilema?&nick=bv_is_a_scammer | [18:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | mysterious mysteries! | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: still enjoying attention from your 'new friend' ? | [18:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking | [18:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it. | [18:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | aha but now with the further attempts to get into various fiatistan saas providers | [18:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: sounds like fodder for hilarious bl0gps0t neh | [18:37] |
| asciilifeform: | write it ? | [18:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly | [18:38] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, asciilifeform recently looked at 'lighthttpd', after it came up in the log. astonishing tanker of liquishit. | [19:06] |
| mod6: | lol 'tanker' | [19:10] |
| asciilifeform: | just like apache, nginx, etc. it has the microshit-quality : you can throw darts all day long and hit only things that really don't need to be there for anything sane people are likely to do with http | [19:12] |
| trinque: | nginx went the venture capital route at some point, gotta justify the rounds | [19:19] |
| asciilifeform: | in this particular case it wouldn't even matter if it were run by honest folx | [19:21] |
| asciilifeform: | the very notion of 'production http server' that exists now, is retarded, in its baked-in conceptual support for warcrimes like ssl | [19:21] |
| asciilifeform: | this 'modularity' generates considerable complexity even if unused | [19:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ( this is entirely separate from the fact that all 'industrial' http servers existing nao are in megatonne of c liquishit, language with nothing resembling sane string handling ) | [19:22] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai BingoBoingo | [19:29] |
| BingoBoingo: | Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead. | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how | [19:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | rack with locking door and badass mesh barrier. Like a birdcage for hannibal lecter | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | mesh where ? the back side ? | [19:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | front and back. sides are solid | [19:36] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [19:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | Shit has to breathe | [19:37] |
| asciilifeform: | normally this is done with vertical chimney | [19:37] |
| mod6: | sounds decent BingoBoingo | [19:37] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: are you able to distinguish 'misconfiged router' from 'dead pipe' , say ? | [19:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Gotta remember this is in the basement of the basement | [19:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | By plugging Qntra directly into the pipe | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [19:38] |
| mod6: | Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Addresshttp://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html | [19:39] |
| mod6: | ugh | [19:39] |
| mod6: | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | nuffin in there about ben_vulpes's test of the sync sanity patch | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | i can only suppose he dun have a verdict yet... | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ( for that matter, ben_vulpes's own logical extension of same patch , ditto ) | [19:41] |
| mod6: | Good question, not yet. | [19:42] |
| mod6: | When we have something solid, we'll make mention of it for sure. :] | [19:43] |
| asciilifeform: | in other olds, http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html >> 'Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than' | [20:08] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g. 'The image of the white iPhone 4S at apple.com (190,157 bytes)' 'The touch command under OS X Lion (44,016 bytes).' | [20:11] |
Category: Logs
