Forum logs for 28 Jul 2017
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...7779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown TH) | [00:42] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1547...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown TH) | [00:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform virus does fine in "the hands" of enemy. | [01:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.hindustantimes.com/books/jlf-2015-bringing-a-princess-home/story-ATF1m7sCBd29UtcgnOLhhN.html << meanwhile in orange revolutions. | [01:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | "senior" "political analist" "on maternity leave". hurr durr etcetera, signalling up to 11 maybe 9 wasn't enough. | [01:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo vlad tepee ? aww. | [01:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | for the record : it is incorrect romania had no indigenous vampire myth. the error is excusable due to the compelx circumstance : romania has TWO kinds of vampires. one is the flyer, a sort of strange beast that bothers young maidens (females only), giving them anemia and hot dreams. the other is a witch/ghost sort of item that comes out of children born with caput galeatum (caita in ro) which are improperly buried (no stake | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | through heart and other proceedings). these will then suck the mana (life force) out of crops/cattle. | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so because the ro vampire idea was cleaved through the middle, separating the sexual and mystical portions into two different items it seems there's no indigenuous vampire myth. | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | in fact, there is, it was just born with story bifida. | [01:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Ah, well at least vlad tepee > jihadi peepee | [01:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.) | [01:55] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D66BD3E6D5843299486762685574A2B4EBE7483F4CDF685FA439CDCBC8F93B84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.25.244.209 (ssh-rsa key from 23.25.244.209 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (23-25-244-209-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US) | [02:05] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D66BD3E6D5843299486762685574A2B4EBE7483F4CDF685FA439CDCBC8F93B84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1752...6829 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.25.244.209 (ssh-rsa key from 23.25.244.209 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (23-25-244-209-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US) | [02:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.) << Perhaps it is all the sons of beggars fearing the crown? | [03:01] |
| * mircea_popescu | tried to review sherlock holmes (in the shape of 1939 piece, with b rathebone). still can't understand how anyone can like it. dude's simply an exercise in contradictorianism. | [04:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo dood only reigned in one of 3 principalities though. | [04:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915 | [04:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | the item recurs, being seen eg in march https://pastebin.com/3DxSFArc as well as in nov past on bitcoin testnet https://archive.is/odxVd#selection-4629.0-4629.72 | [04:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in unrelated random lulz : during ww1 the count of derby came up with a nutty scheme to pressure people into "volunteering" for service without actually calling a draft. in spite of involving every busybody that could be find, male and female, to pester and harass the general populace, 54% of married men and 38% of single men publicly refused to enlist thereby empirically measuring the mental power of a period wife to be | [04:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | worth ~half a man. | [04:46] |
| ave1: | I worked a bit on the musl ada script, it's now here: http://ave1.org/tarpit/ada-musl-cross-2017-07-24.tar.gz | [07:41] |
| ave1: | It now builds the 2016 GPL version by default | [07:41] |
| ave1: | I've tested it with different gnats but so far did not get the adainclude problem | [07:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up FUD | [10:03] |
| deedbot: | FUD voiced for 30 minutes. | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ave1 which gnats did you test ? | [10:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ave1: neato, i'll test this today | [10:09] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-28-jul-2017#2315803 << dun seem like one of those magic dupe txids: it was mined on mainchain this one time | [10:10] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-28 08:27 mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915 | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yes, in an empty block. enshrined if you will | [10:11] |
| asciilifeform: | lotsa empties | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | what are we talking about here ? | [10:13] |
| asciilifeform: | blocks with only coinbase tx | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | mno. | [10:13] |
| asciilifeform: | still an everyday thibng | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | the topic of that line is "strange, unexplained bitfield, found unfunctionally in single tx block, and other places". | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689981 << lmao totally missed this. | [10:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-25 23:58 asciilifeform: replaces all mention of trilema with 'fraudster' | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | dorkitude's pretention to the contrary never lasts too long, or how did shakespeare put it. | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xqZ7z/?raw=true | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: on it | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, and in other imperial lulz : ahmed ben bella, m boufiaf, ex presidents of algerian republic, as well as all sorts of algerian politicians -> prison de la sante, paris. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | not to mention various corsican independence "malfaiteurs" and so forth. | [10:33] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: fixed | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | (such as colonna, more or less source of the old guy in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=un+prophete at his conviction in 2012 the french equivalent of a federal court gave reasoning for its sentence, for the first time in french legal practice. cuz empire wanna be part of euroland.) | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uMj94/?raw=true | [10:39] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: re the tx earlier, it seems to be a thing specific to segshitness | [10:54] |
| asciilifeform: | ( the op_return is somehow significant ) | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it. | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | more interestingly, the magic opreturn string seems to pop up among the ~litecoin~ derps, http://archive.is/UpWKL | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i know. | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | various other altscams too. | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( grep for aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf9 ) | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: fwiw it doesn't disasm to anything interesting | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i know. it doesn't do anything interesting perhaps a hash of some nonsense. | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Qc0Rw/?raw=true << 'shellcode? nope, seems' | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | prolly | [11:02] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell jurov getting error "MPEx rejected cancellation of this order. Please retry in few minutes." on coinbr for 3 days now, please to investigate. | [11:02] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai looking | [11:03] |
| shinohai: | Oh, could be on your end? kk | [11:04] |
| mod6: | asciilifeform: hmm | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it keeps refusing his cancellations it can very well be. | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other maga, wisconsin agrees to pay foxconn 3bn to employ 3k local tards so trump can claim the chinos invest in the us now. | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is some of the choicest lolz chop ever seen in teh field. | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.) | [11:14] |
| mod6: | the first time i start to see that Null Data for the coinbase tx is on block 476`174. | [11:16] |
| mod6: | ~11 days ago | [11:17] |
| mod6: | but 477915 seems to be strange with that 'data_hex: aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf9' & 'script_type: null-data' | [11:18] |
| mod6: | fwiw, p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C7K44/?raw=true | [11:26] |
| mod6: | bah, ignore this ^ | [11:27] |
| mod6: | sec... | [11:27] |
| mod6: | p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MRdh7/?raw=true | [11:30] |
| mod6: | p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SG2rC/?raw=true | [11:40] |
| mod6: | i reversed the bytes of the script ^ | [11:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: it's soup | [11:44] |
| mod6: | doesnt look like much ya | [11:44] |
| mod6: | enter and lcall kinda got me thinkin though | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: it's soup | [11:44] |
| mod6: | i wonder wtf though 'eh? | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: familiar with what shellcode looks like ? | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | this ain't it. | [11:45] |
| mod6: | Ok nevermind. | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up adlai | [12:10] |
| deedbot: | adlai voiced for 30 minutes. | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile @picnic, https://i.imgbox.com/dUjxg1Tb.jpg | [12:11] |
| adlai: | that transaction matches the template described here: https://archive.is/GPz8E#user-content-Commitment_structure | [12:12] |
| asciilifeform: | adlai: so what's it do ? | [12:12] |
| asciilifeform: | adlai: and why would it recur in various altcoins | [12:12] |
| adlai: | my guess, given that it recurs, is that it's how the commitment to an empty tree looks. what it does, is tell us that those miners are producing SW blocks but have nobody actually using SW | [12:13] |
| adlai: | some alts activated SW already, all the political pressure with nowhere to go in bitcoin, overflowed into, eg, litecoin | [12:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690589 | [12:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-28 14:56 mircea_popescu: makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it. | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | FACT : the "space gain" that will be provided by "segregated witness" in its entire existence will not actually cover the full bitcoin blocks lost to date with the dicking about. | [12:16] |
| asciilifeform: | was anybody dumb enough to actually believe that it would ? | [12:16] |
| asciilifeform: | or that it has anything to do with saving space or some other vaguely constructive item | [12:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | marginally qntrable, if bb's short on lulz today. | [12:16] |
| asciilifeform: | plain ol' attack on the bitcoinicity of bitcoin. | [12:16] |
| asciilifeform: | 'signatures are optional nao!111' | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | they always were. | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile, online commerce is ~entirely incapable to proceed with the use of credit cards. | [12:17] |
| asciilifeform: | well yes. but nao with magical nonprotocolic constraints on what can be mined ! | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | but are they switching to bitcoin ? | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, noes, gotta usg moar. | [12:17] |
| asciilifeform: | unwitnessed, or terrorism-listed tx, not mined, etc | [12:17] |
| asciilifeform: | this is why i still hold that the high-S thing was a victory for the enemy. 'you can make your tx, but NOBODY will mine it, and to even find out why you now need to import prbism' | [12:18] |
| asciilifeform: | all 'soft fork' are entirely the same thing: permissioned tx. | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | what exactly "victory" ? for as long as ustards keep on pretending washington dc is "the capital" of some imaginary "sovereign country", they're more than welcome to... themselves... act if iti were. no more. | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | for as long as miners mine only txn divisible by two, they're welcome to... mine them. | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | first 'divisible by two', but then 'non-terrorismlisted'. | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | by your line of reasoning, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690577 is "some sort of victory" idem. | [12:21] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-28 14:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689981 << lmao totally missed this. | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | what victory is it ? | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Сегодня он играет джаз, а завтра родину продаст' (tm)(r) | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: gonna argue that kako is in same category as 51% of cnminers? | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | wrt to the item of interest ? who the fuck cares what dood writes on his website. | [12:22] |
| asciilifeform: | next time mircea_popescu complains re tx not being mined for no detectable reason, i'ma point him to this thread | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously not the same size of stupidity. but the same KIND. which was the point here, category. | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i'm not saying stupidity is not stupidity, you. i am saying, it is no sort of victory for the stupid. | [12:23] |
| asciilifeform: | in the sense where idiocy is eventually 'own punishment' - yes | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | people gouging out their eyes to spite their nose aren't specifically winning "some kind of victory against noses" | [12:23] |
| asciilifeform: | but big enough idiot creates a crater , for other folx to fall into. | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is how idiot craters fill, in nature. | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | other idiots fall into, then spiders come and lay eggs, then moss eats the etc. eventually it's flat again. | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's EXACTLY why you don't want to give ak to monkey, like afritard "soldiers" and also the whole fucking point behind http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683142 | [12:24] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-13 23:30 hanbot: andreicon> do share if you have link, pls >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.msg1167765 | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | thermodynamics will eventually dispose how about you don't give blind nature too much kinetics. | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/durc/songs/ilkley.html << see also. | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | speaking of bonnie dundee, http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/lines-in-protest-to-the-dundee-magistrates | [12:26] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: the monkey kalash, alas, was a film promotion. | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | the hot topic nation has yet to come up with an original idea. | [12:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is recurring item in african campaigns of colonial powers. | [12:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ah these monkeys - yes | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile, the bimbo body : http://68.media.tumblr.com/b49be60c43be0d617064ddd1f55d0ff6/tumblr_o3z5efr3jK1u5gkkao2_500.gif | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the important, overarching point above is that the situation is not symmetrical. yes, the continued existence of the republic is, in and of itself, some kind of victory against socialism but no, the continued existence of socialism is no kind of victory, for it, or against the republic. | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the reason for the asymmetry is that socialism positively needs its unicity argument, as it has no others. without "ourdemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others [we're willing to consider, in a limited review intended to circularily "prove" the point]" there's no ourdemocracy. | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile the republic needs no such nonsense, as it prevails in the open air against the pantsuit decoctions. | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | to remind : venice stood for a millenium. this is longer than the "thousand years reich" national-socialism managed it is longer than any french "republic" ever succeeded longer than the entire existence of the us by a factor of about three, notwithstanding the us didn't start out as a socialist state. | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is, actually, about twice as long as rome stood, their idle pretense to millenarity notwithstanding. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | (rome became a socialist state with sulla or if you prefer marian reforms. this is about 4 centuries after the founding -- we're not about to credit the 750 date of the founding of the ~etruscan~ city) | [12:52] |
| asciilifeform: | sounds like 'the sea wins' thread aha | [13:19] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.) << But lulziest to en-millionaire 3 kilobodies. So many bad decisions! | [13:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> marginally qntrable, if bb's short on lulz today. << Still surveying the world. Could be Qntra'd likeley a perfect fit for shinohai's WHoreticulture journal | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo except, of course, there's not going to be 3k enmilionaired, but a little campaign contribution for wi whatevers and a little extra propo for the bezzle fortunes of w/e the fuck is the oligarch in charge. | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, mccain defected gop ticket did he | [13:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: Sure there are. Happens in hospital ER's across USia every day. Customer gets million dollars in credit and then ObuggeredCare | [13:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> also, mccain defected gop ticket did he << Him AND Graham and a rotating handful of marginal Senators | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | waiwat | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | switched parties?? | [14:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | "Killed" obamacare repeal | [14:19] |
| BingoBoingo: | Gotta cement that "maverick" legacy before phylactery finally rots | [14:20] |
| asciilifeform: | elsewhewre in sunny monkeystan, 'A suspected bank robber, in the buff, was captured on cellphone video making a run for it in Fort Lauderdale. ... Users on social media posted video of the naked man attempting to flee. One user said the suspect was throwing out $100 and $50 bills.' | [14:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | "nobody bothered to pick them up, because http://trilema.com/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days yet nobody '''appears to have noticed''' this because $reasons" | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | nuffin in the beobachter re whether anyone picked up | [14:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( why wouldn't they ) | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | why WOULD they.\ | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | would you ? ask around. would anyone you know ? | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | i have nfi what planet mircea_popescu is posting from | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | so, if dude is running down the street throwing benji confeti, you pick up ? | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly | [14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i tell you i dun see it, but if you say i'll beleive. | [14:41] |
| asciilifeform: | why, is mircea_popescu aware of a d00d who sat in jail for picking up ? | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | not specifically. | [14:43] |
| asciilifeform: | i'd be curious under what article in penal code, it'd be. | [14:48] |
| asciilifeform: | or is it moar of a 'Докажи, что ты не верблюд!' (tm)(r). | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ( orig.: 'Бегущего зайца спрашивают: “Куда ты, косой, бежишь? ” - “Да, говорят, что скоро верблюдов будут стричь, вот я и бегу в милицию записаться, что я - заяц”. - “Какое же тебе дело до верблюдов - ведь ты заяц?! ” - “Ну да, - | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | как схватят, да начнут стричь, - а потом доказывай, что ты не верблюд! ”') | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | accessory after the fact or else obstruction of justice but in practice a cop will just come and steal all your shit, like the ever friendly usg-comissioner stealing bogart's money in passage to marseille. | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | 'a hare is seen running like mad, 'where are you running?' -- 'they say they'll be shaving camels soon, so i am on my way to police station, to register as a hare.' 'why do you give a damn what will happen to camels, you are a hare' 'well, they'll grab me, start shaving, then go and prove that you ain't a camel' ' | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | rather. | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | bah, i mean "to have and have not", not passage to marseilles. apparently the cheapo war flicks are running together into one large casablanca. | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in great natures, https://s23.postimg.org/3rf13ty3d/wallhaven-222467.jpg | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up ascii_wtf | [15:02] |
| deedbot: | ascii_wtf voiced for 30 minutes. | [15:02] |
| ascii_wtf: | sooo seems like my bouncer died, from magicpacket or similar | [15:02] |
| ascii_wtf: | ending yr or so of uptime | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | aww | [15:03] |
| ascii_wtf: | zoolag ( same box ) also down until i can physically get to where it lives. | [15:03] |
| ascii_wtf: | ( monday or tues at the earliest. ) | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe the fans fibally got clogged in dust | [15:04] |
| ascii_wtf: | fanless machine | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | a | [15:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | Fins covered in dust? | [15:06] |
| ascii_wtf: | not as of last wk | [15:07] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/arachnofobia-inductor/ << Trilema - Arachnofobia inductor | [15:16] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | greetings TMSR | [15:36] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | perhaps its out of my current range of understanding, but might someone point me in the direction that I may grasp how the hell a keypair created on an airgapped computer has relevance in the actual online network...? Applied Cryptography (blue) is en route so perhaps that will help but in meantime thought I would ask here as no luck with searches - don't even know what terms would bring that up... | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | what means 'has relevance in the actual online network' ?? | [15:43] |
| phf: | i think the question is "how is that i can generate a wallet offline/airgapped without telling anyone, but then it magically works on real network" | [15:44] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | I guess my lame-o speculation is that a keypair somehow needs to have access to the network to "exist" | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | WHY?! | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | can exist on paper | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | or anywhere | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | does the number 7 need 'access to network' in order to 'exist' ?! | [15:44] |
| phf: | presumably the answer is "you make it exist by spending to a public key" | [15:44] |
| phf: | (and until you do its nature as a wallet can be debated philosophically. i think majority of tmsr is platonists, so there exists an infinitive number of wallets to which you can spend whether or not anyone has possession of them. you can though discover a wallet through the process of key generation) | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: it wasn't clear to me that he was discussing bitcoin | [15:48] |
| phf: | i think it's a continuation of his "how do i keep my coins safe without running full node" question | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | ( he mentioned 'applied crypto' which is a schoolbook that pre-dates subj, for instance) | [15:49] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | phf is this so because there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key, no matter whether created on mars in the sand or in the computer on earth? | [15:49] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | because mathematics is absolute? or this math is? | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ag3nt_zer0: in a well-designed public key cryptosystem -- yes | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | in a boobytrapped system - potentially 2, 3, infinity keys | [15:49] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | ok thanks... hmmm since you just indicated that applied crypto predates and answer to this question might you have anything to recommend off the top of your head for reading that I might get a more sturdy conceptual footing here? | [15:51] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | predates an answer | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ag3nt_zer0: try to formulate more exactly what it is you are interested in finding out | [15:54] |
| phf: | i've not actually read applied cryptography but if it has a section on public key cryptography it should demonstrate the "there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key", but i guess in order to have certainty about the mechanism you should be reading books on number theory | [15:55] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: this is true re rsa but potentially false re ecc | [15:56] |
| phf: | i don't understand ecc :( | [15:56] |
| phf: | i make periodic attempts at it every once in a while, and every time i have to go further back in my mathematics education | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: same | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~ | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | at least by anyone who publicly documented. | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | it is voodoo. | [15:58] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | hmmmm ok phf and asciilifeform thanks very much... I am thinking I don't even know what a computer is, philosophically... not grokking the fundamentals of LOGIC and physics - fish in water... what the hell IS a computer I guess I need to find out | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ag3nt_zer0: player piano with a conditional reverse gear | [15:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ would have made sense to, e.g., mark twain. | [15:59] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | hehe | [15:59] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | anyone know of a good, or the good, metaphysics of computers or computation book? | [16:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | Perhaps start with Aristotle's Physics? | [16:06] |
| phf: | oh i was just taking a piss, because of asciilifeform's reaction. i don't think you have to go esoteric. i don't know of any books, but early lisp related research had plenty of "metaphysics of computing" papers of varied quality that will probably be easily demolished by any real philosopher. i don't know your level of knowledge but perhaps a "introduction to programming" book would do | [16:07] |
| phf: | for example https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html is a classic book on the subject | [16:08] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | BingoBoingo, phf thanks | [16:09] |
| phf: | besides applied cryptography comes with C examples and to presupposes all kinds of knowledge that you probably don't have. since you already ordered it, and was planning on going through it, do so, and that'll show you where you might need to go from there | [16:10] |
| phf: | (it will not be a waste to do so an alternative reading suggestion will only be necessary if applied crypto is too dense and you're too lazy/undisciplined to fully commit to it) | [16:12] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | phf ok sounds good thx again... | [16:15] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | heh this reminds me of TMSR: "E.W. Dijkstra who suggested IT companies not to hire programmers without a suitable knowledge in Latin." | [16:15] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | from: http://www.mathema.com/philosophy/metafisica/is-metaphysics-relevant-to-computer-science/ | [16:16] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | and this is an excellent album imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMfZPAc1kg&list=PLvAMs0JjDSO6GOR6VGbSVA3VbKKQQmAIU | [16:44] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/07/california-has-a-weed-problem/ << Qntra - California Has A Weed Problem | [16:51] |
| ag3nt_zer0: | can't even name a favorite track on that album - but a number of them are just incredible examples of his maturing skills and mastery of his niche... after listening to this album on repeat for the last two years I was totally shocked at the suicide news - made zero sense to me... it's a bit disconcerting to see those who helped inspire me to try to live a purposeful and meaningful life offing themselves | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | this has been a weird read. | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690752 << i thought this was the basic agreement. | [17:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-07-28 19:58 asciilifeform: i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~ | [17:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up geekshop | [17:58] |
| deedbot: | geekshop voiced for 30 minutes. | [17:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | geekshop: WHo is your daddy and what does he do? | [17:58] |
| shinohai: | In Roger Ver whining over lost monies deja vu's: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/891059229632614400 | [18:26] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/07/trumps-grand-old-purge-continues-establishment-legacy-appointee-priebus-out/ << Qntra - Trump's Grand Old Purge Continues: Establishment Legacy Appointee Priebus Out | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, russia is confiscating us real estate in moscow in retaliation to us confiscating ru property in dc. | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up bb5656 | [23:08] |
| deedbot: | bb5656 voiced for 30 minutes. | [23:08] |
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