Forum logs for 25 May 2016
| BingoBoingo: | totes adorbs https://i.sli.mg/AtwtvJ.jpg | [00:33] |
| shinohai: | later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/L38 | [07:28] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [07:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i went in expecting a fat woman in a pool | [07:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | instead, it's a fat turtle in a pool. well done BingoBoingo | [07:44] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] Sidechain Lisk Launches With Lulz - http://qntra.net/2016/05/sidechain-lisk-launches-with-lulz/ | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | $rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 | [08:22] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f4a8f21e-c142-4610-abf6-c38cfceb996f/ | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | $v 8044D9A72C31F3E7DE2108E2EB0BFC77B46570F6DF0B166D6C793BE0053CA1B2 | [08:23] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu updated rating of alikim from 2 to -1 << militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 | [08:23] |
| * asciilifeform | meanwhile wanders in heathen lands | [08:46] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-25-may-2016#2098077 << pretty lulzy | [08:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 12:22 mircea_popescu: $rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 | [08:53] |
| asciilifeform: | and entertaining, while i wait for trainz in this here zimbabwestan | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | where are you anyway | [08:54] |
| asciilifeform: | chicago | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform dude's something else, linux client is so stable people run it from wed to wed (server updates and brief downtime weds) jurov made a windows version that's just as stable - everyone else who runs it has no conn problems. | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | then this hack went in and grubstreet'd all over, to the point he crashes all the time, so he made himself a watchdog. which i suppose needs a watchdog of its own | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and will resist any attempt to be helped - such as for instance by people who actually understand computing reading his abomination and laughing at him - to the degree he'll get kicked out. | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform> chicago << oh, they finally wised up an' sent you to the meat packing plant ? | [08:56] |
| asciilifeform: | what i still can't figure out is: | [08:56] |
| asciilifeform: | why! | [08:56] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: aha, they even use the squeal !111 | [08:56] |
| * shinohai | had dream last night of asciilifeform 's head in a jar futurama style. | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | to quote romania's nat'l poet, "nu cerceta aceste legi, caci esti nebun de le-ntelegi" | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, do not research these laws, for understanding them means you're insane. | [08:57] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: did it eat fish food like nixon's head? | [08:57] |
| shinohai: | lel | [08:58] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it isn't clear from the link how the 'bite' ended. i assume you kicked the moron? | [09:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i ... banned him. | [09:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ~= | [09:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | guess so huh. | [09:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Remember that the Chicago River is an open sewer so feel free to bathroom there | [09:04] |
| asciilifeform: | whole place looks like sewer | [09:04] |
| asciilifeform: | and crumbling.. | [09:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well yes. Chicago is a shithole. | [09:05] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought dc was rock bottom usa - it isn't. | [09:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | Have you been to the city center yet? | [09:05] |
| asciilifeform: | about to | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually from what i hear new orleans overtook detroit even in terms of sheer shithole. | [09:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | Center is roughly where river meets lake | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | new shit meets old fermented shit ? | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, you two gonna hang out for a beer or something ? | [09:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | Aha, except they actually reversed the flow of the river at some point so new shit goes to Mississippi river after crossing state. | [09:06] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: fortunately nobody i'm ever likely to visit is in new orleans | [09:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: I'm still a few hundred miles away. | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [09:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | Near st louis. | [09:08] |
| BingoBoingo: | Far more honest city about it's state of decay which is still far less than Chicago's evn if the fauna here are a bit more... | [09:09] |
| asciilifeform: | anyway i traded commute hell for very occasional expeditions to heathen pestholes. | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's good for you. | [09:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | now find a local girlfriend. | [09:10] |
| asciilifeform: | lel she'd have to be a cracked cement plinth, likely. | [09:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | why, you've replaced your pecker with a steam jack ? | [09:11] |
| asciilifeform: | will have to! | [09:12] |
| asciilifeform: | to take proper use of this place. | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i'm not even kidding. best thing for you. | [09:12] |
| asciilifeform: | which? to learn to fuck plinth? | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, to get a local girlie. | [09:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ah | [09:15] |
| asciilifeform: | i have nfi how this is done | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | put yourself in tinder or whatever they use, "wise cosmopolitan gentleman (visited buenos aires! and timisoara!) with lots of dough to burn looking for local belle to show me a good time." | [09:16] |
| asciilifeform: | esp since i dun zoophilia | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | you ever had a massage ? | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | relax and let the girl do her work! | [09:16] |
| asciilifeform: | chix with faces are ~100 ppm in usa. | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | or what, suppose you go to teh movies, what do you do, instead of sitting down and shutting up like everyone else you bust into the projectionist's room and jockey the machine ? | [09:17] |
| asciilifeform: | lel | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | add "must be conversant wihile wearing paper bag on head" to your ad if you must | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | (no, it won't deter. nothing will deter. to quote shaw, | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | " Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must marry because the race must perish without her tra | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | vail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not.") | [09:20] |
| asciilifeform: | atm i'm working on sloth (no sleep in 24hr) and then gluttony | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | attend to your immortal soul before you attend to the base needs of the flesh! | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | also i'm finally in a train... | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | local girlfriend first. any adolescent knows. and adolescence is aristocratic by not knowing better. | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu is talented man. i have 2 dayz. local gurl historically takes me decade... | [09:23] |
| asciilifeform: | it is like neutrino experiment. | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | don't make me put the sheeny curse on you so you end up having to go back and back again for a decade! | [09:23] |
| asciilifeform: | that'd be spiffy tho ! | [09:24] |
| Framedragger: | [fwiw yeah +1 for tinder, though it does use effin facebook last i checked, etc etc, one more thing to re-build in a non-shitty fashion....] | [09:24] |
| asciilifeform: | can i also factor phatnunz while i loop??! | [09:24] |
| asciilifeform: | numz | [09:24] |
| asciilifeform: | fuck this machine | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | perv. | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | gayety is one thing, alf. but machinism ?! | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | where did we go wrong! | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger iirc no girls actually wanted to be on tinder because dudes'd just hit on everyone and then not show up. | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | wotproblem of sorts. | [09:26] |
| Framedragger: | ya, true. some dudes are selective but most are just desperate and/or can't be bothered. different algos so to speak, heh | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | historically, the "whatever" algo is actually pretty successful. | [09:26] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought it was because gurl already knows where the local mircea_popescu lives | [09:26] |
| Framedragger: | (girls are on there tho) | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | certainly how everyone here present came to be. | [09:26] |
| asciilifeform: | and needs no appz | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform women like variety just like normal people do. | [09:27] |
| Framedragger: | yeah seems to have worked for these low entropy pockets around stars, pretty nifty!! | [09:27] |
| asciilifeform: | i like variety, but dun eat from garbage, say | [09:27] |
| asciilifeform: | variety tends to mean something quite specific for most folx | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | varietits. | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, garbage has a tense relationship with sexuality. | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly because of the officially-intolerable http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110 | [09:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. | [09:29] |
| Framedragger: | " garbage has a tense relationship with sexuality." << related film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1488163/ | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole impetuus of, say, romeo and juliet is the respective famblies going "op is garbage!!1". the lady an' the tramp is pretty much the "modern democracy" attempt at subverting and perhaps reclaiming the trite truth of the previous generations, ie, that nothing gets a gent going quite like the lady's maid. | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger meh, lost me at "elderly". but the korine name is vaguely familiar. | [09:31] |
| Framedragger: | yeah korine is an interesting guy. the film itself is random as fuck. literally folks humping trash, and just doing other bizarre things throughout film. i'd say it's an intereseting experience, to watch it i mean, but i believe when i watched it i was on a bit of acid. dunno how it would have got with me being completely sane.. | [09:33] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile loudspeaker: '... and gambling, are prohibited on cta vehicles...' | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ahh, isn't it refreshing, to be in a place where they hafta say that ? | [09:34] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [09:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i gotta find the shell game or whatsit. | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | faro ? | [09:35] |
| asciilifeform: | im on train not timemachine | [09:35] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | if he's going to bbl... technically he is on time machine. | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in. | [09:53] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it had better stay afloat till saturday morning if at all possib | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [09:59] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: have you considered serving all phuctor public stuff on a static frontend proxy of sorts? | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | three days. you know what raids are, right ? if it smokes we're fucked. | [09:59] |
| Framedragger: | inb4 go read teh logz lol | [09:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger my involvement is more remote, alf handles the tech there. | [09:59] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i can switch off cleanly tonight, in principle | [10:00] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: ^ sorry im making you repeat yourself | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | that'd be good then. | [10:00] |
| Framedragger: | *if | [10:00] |
| asciilifeform: | worx | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | drop me a line once it's off. | [10:00] |
| asciilifeform: | will do | [10:00] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl moar | [10:00] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: ah i recall you mentioning need for real-time data spitting-out. again this can be worked out but i don't want to be presumptuous, as in, "omg this is easily sortable just use pr0xi". just sayin, worth considertaion, perhpas | [10:06] |
| Framedragger: | (..in other news hosters seem to cave in to the "we gun ban your ip cause we saw three TCP SYN packets to :22 on our block" threats and do not allow any scanning whatsoever. online.net may be the exception and are cooperative, will see how they tolerate some scanz) | [10:15] |
| Framedragger: | (again, general ipv4 mapping is no prob, it's the more particular ssh key extraction that is slow and very hax0ry apparently) | [10:16] |
| Framedragger: | (but i didn't spend much time dealing with this lately, busy with afk stuff. however will return to quest soon) | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger be specific. | [10:20] |
| Framedragger: | "Dear Sir / Madam, | [10:21] |
| Framedragger: | Scanning ports is forbidden on our network. We cannot even do some exeption in our anti-hack detecting system just for your server." <- this is e.g. kimsufi/OVH who are otherwise not complete govt bitches (they appeal court orders, ran wikileaks servers, lots tor exit nodes etc - not to say that this amount to too much) | [10:21] |
| Framedragger: | more or less same from hetzner, digital ocean, and a local lithuanian provider which i've been using for a few years | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so they banned you or what exactly happened ? you read their verbiage ? | [10:22] |
| Framedragger: | ah - sorry for not being specific - no i ceased activities,and they were fine. OVH i didn't even try, i sent a query first like a good house guest | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i still can't piece this together. let's try a sane example format : | [10:23] |
| Framedragger: | digital ocean e.g. - scanned more than querter of ipv4 space using TCP SYN (masscan) - so just to see which :22 hosts are up - received numerous abuse complaints from all over the net, all forwarded to me | [10:23] |
| Framedragger: | pleaded with them and they said okok we won't ban but don't do this again | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i rented a [vps/dedicated/colocated] machine from X, i sent a total of Y packets of so and so in Z interval they <changed my logs and stole my remaining time|sent me support ticket complaining|etc>" | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | that sorta thng | [10:24] |
| Framedragger: | now i'll try scaleway / online.net and i don't use them for anything else so i'm fine with being banned. they said OK to my "responsible academic scanning" query. doesn't mean they'll follow through. but i'll just keep scanning / doing ssh extraction there, and rsyncing often, so that if/when i get eventually banned this wouldn't be a problem. | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk | [10:25] |
| Framedragger: | right, i'll do that, but later. sorry for not being specific, just wanted to rant, which is not too constructive | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | np | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471641 << stinks of 'inspection' a la dulap-1 imho | [10:30] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 13:53 mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibru. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, france saw over 500k arrests in 2007, which is to say 1% of the population was arrested THAT YEAR, or, if things continue at the same rate, ~everyone then alive'd have a better chance to be arrested rather than not be, during his lifetime. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | except things didn't continue at the same rate, and 2014 was an all time record. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | most of which, amusingly enough, are "delit d'association de malfaiteurs en relation avec une entreprise terroriste". hurr durr. | [10:38] |
| shinohai: | https://multibit.org/blog/2016/05/25/multibit-is-being-sold-to-keepkey.html <<< a hardware company buying multibit code | [11:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much ? | [11:05] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: hardware wallets remain hilarious jokes | [11:05] |
| asciilifeform: | if from nothing else but that they WITHOUT EXCEPTION require shitware on pc side | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i'm just surprised it wasn't an acquihire. no fducking idea why anyone else'd "buy" the sort of turd. | [11:06] |
| shinohai: | Well I never liked multibit either, so | [11:07] |
| shinohai: | Hard and soft turds combine to produce new, more repulsive pos | [11:08] |
| shinohai: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjT6ui8XEAAY_sR.jpg <<< bwahaha "I am Chiang Kat Shek" | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow gloves | [11:27] |
| shinohai: | https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/ethereum-is-the-forefront-of-digital-currency-5300298f6c75#.gor6kp910 <<< moar coinbase slock, we failed at Bitcoin so surely Ethereum shall save us. | [12:34] |
| trinque: | Ethereum has a growth mindset while Bitcoin has a false sense of accomplishment << wahahahaha | [12:40] |
| trinque: | good riddance | [12:40] |
| trinque: | and oh the ways the socialists and advertisers have destroyed English | [12:41] |
| shinohai: | well I suppose weed growth is still, technically, growth. | [12:41] |
| trinque: | apparently an inanimate thing can have a mindset because somebody put some words together | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | to bolster the leverage point asciilifeform : consider reading merely the list of traded items in "london labour and the london poor" (an otherwise unfrequentable pile of steaming socialistoid shit). | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | cca mid 19th century - definitely post industrial age - people actually traded used underwear. not just young women's used underwear either. | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | shirt fronts. | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | labour was so ill esteemed it was actually worth someone's time to take out a shirt front off a shirt and hem in a replacement. | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking phones aren't worth the fix today. but then - shirts. | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai well, the usg party is ever less confident they'll get much over a summer of forks "ethereum is good" was the backup. | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque "it's the community" "which, the supine troop of nobodies crowding the mit soup kitchen ?" "YES! PREMIERE TECHNICAL AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD!" "whatever. make sure you teach them how lightbulbs work." | [13:20] |
| trinque: | that shit can die with the body of christ and all other congruent imaginary social aggregates | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/053372135405fda3b66a6744f2ca67fc/tumblr_o5nchymmMr1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg | [13:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjOZLJGXIAA7Xf-.jpg | [14:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | > a server as bad as your email | [14:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | > btc | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | erect your serevr at box cock li ? | [14:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | worth a chuckle and an invitation to the wot methinks | [14:19] |
| mod6: | heh | [14:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly so. besides, i'm thinking the correct way to handle the whole $bash thing is to have a sort of wot-aws equivalent. | [14:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja talk to them ? | [14:20] |
| ben_vulpes: | notyet | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh in other lolz : xenforo, the "improved" successor of vbulletin web forum software uses the following member enum scheme : https://xenforo.com/community/members/nhatdang_daisu.52890/ | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | spot the lulz. | [14:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | invited | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | o lordy. so 1st xenforo "security" improvement : where the old vbulletin system passed back and forth md5 hashes of passwords (in plain and utf duplicate versions), the improvement just sends it plain. | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | how to get all user credentials for any xenforo forum ? put a box in promiscuous mode en route and listen to the fucking posts. | [14:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | dang | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | such a pile of shit. the ancient bbsessionhash as unique session identifier has been renamed to xf_session and that's the extent of the changes. | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then they had a dispute and the court actually bought the notion one's not copied off the other. | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | in vaguely related news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/727d91005cb24b337dae6aebdc81d7fb/tumblr_nzmragJjOa1sy8ywho1_400.gif | [14:54] |
| phf: | i seem to have a highly useful skill of missing out on b-a drama | [15:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | or you keep a lid on it | [15:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471164 << to quote an alf, i thought 'everyone knows' that there's a panda infestation up north | [15:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-24 12:05 mircea_popescu: later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?! | [15:15] |
| pete_dushenski: | $s everyone knows | [15:15] |
| pete_dushenski: | eh give it two weeks | [15:15] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://voxeu.org/article/what-s-your-surname-intergenerational-mobility-over-six-centuries#.VzyX84VYNEc << 'Existing evidence suggests that the related earnings advantages disappear after several generations. This column challenges this view by comparing tax records for family dynasties (identified by surname) in Florence, Italy in 1427 and 2011. The top earners among the current taxpayers were found to h | [15:20] |
| pete_dushenski: | ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.' | [15:20] |
| pete_dushenski: | hehe. so what you thought was evidence really wasn't and what you thought was upheaval really wasn't. beautiful, really. the whole charade can't even stand up to a simple registry check despite centuries of dedicated revisionism | [15:22] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other leaves, lazers are useful to reading compact discs AND measuring tree sleep https://www.tuwien.ac.at/en/news/news_detail/article/10113/ | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | either that or women tend to marry into wealth and change their name | [15:32] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471561 << saiwuut ? no one said you should live there, but to visit zoo stylez ? it's brilliant. | [15:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 13:05 BingoBoingo: Well yes. Chicago is a shithole. | [15:33] |
| pete_dushenski: | mircea_popescu: smart wimminz then | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | except "eggs florentine" were named specifically in recognition of those women'z talent at not fathering sons with their husbands. | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | really, the whole exercise is more of a "here\s just how fucking useless your civil registry is" than anything | [15:34] |
| pete_dushenski: | what's the eggs florentine story ? | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, just an off the cuff joke. | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | the eggs are drenched in hollandaise if two guys fuck a gal it's hard to avoid getting cum on your ballsac. | [15:36] |
| pete_dushenski: | ah k. well i'd rather share a chick than eat anything with hollandaise on it. but maybe i'm not from the right part of the mediterranean. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | $up vc | [16:04] |
| deedbot: | vc voiced for 30 minutes. | [16:04] |
| vc: | hi i am here for the party | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol welcome cocks. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you have a pgp key ? | [16:04] |
| vc: | yeah | [16:06] |
| vc: | https://keybase.io/hacker | [16:06] |
| pete_dushenski: | vc.gg/blog — stupid faggot blog don't click << lol! | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. so do $register <fingerprint> so you're part of teh wot. | [16:07] |
| Framedragger: | +1.662 625 6266 (+1 66-COCKMAN-6) << nice | [16:08] |
| vc: | it's been broken since the raids and I only just recently restored from archive.org so the theme isn't working yet | [16:08] |
| vc: | $register 5CB4 9CDC EAC7 97FB F8BD C074 FD71 AD27 71A5 CC1B | [16:08] |
| deedbot: | Import failed for 5CB4. | [16:08] |
| vc: | deedbot: fight me | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F43C7D970054DE65AC067DBDA51F0123BFD9E4A9BD54F99FB64AAFD5F8515B92 for cannonical representation | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc no spaces. | [16:08] |
| vc: | $register 5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B | [16:09] |
| deedbot: | 5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B registered as vc. | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | win. | [16:09] |
| vc: | ) | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | $rate vc 1 cock.li hoster | [16:09] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/05310a93-b1f6-476d-ba27-3bf3a6a0fd58/ | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | $v 1FB0734F97F51A4C2C707882432C58D89E5958B0554E840F65A8E7BBE05AB4C6 | [16:10] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu rated vc 1 << cock.li hoster | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | now then. what raid was that ? | [16:10] |
| vc: | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-server-seized-by-german-authorities-admin-announces/ | [16:10] |
| vc: | raid 1 | [16:10] |
| vc: | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/cock-li-server-seized-again-by-german-prosecutor-service-moves-to-iceland/ | [16:10] |
| Framedragger: | vc: re. https://box.cock.li/ - do you tolerate responsible and low-bandwidth netscans (TCP SYN and/or ssh-keyscan (which doesn't attempt any ssh auth)) perchance? | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [16:10] |
| vc: | raid 2 | [16:10] |
| vc: | yes Framedragger | [16:10] |
| vc: | idc | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, mind doing an interview with me to be published on qntra ? | [16:11] |
| vc: | sure idk what qntra is though | [16:11] |
| Framedragger: | vc: natural follow-up question: do you think your ip space is included in things like fail2ban lists, then? :) | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | qntra.net bitcoin news site. | [16:11] |
| vc: | oic | [16:11] |
| vc: | Framedragger: I don't think so, though I haven't actually received one yet | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then... lessee... why did you quit college ? | [16:12] |
| pete_dushenski: | "The Romania-based e-mail admin concluded his video with this proclamation: "It’s raining dicks right now. And the forecast isn’t that good either. There’s a 90 percent chance of dicks tonight and a 90 percent chance of dicks tomorrow."" << gggggold | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | lool | [16:13] |
| vc: | Framedragger: uh, rather I haven't actually received my ip space yet | [16:13] |
| vc: | mircea_popescu: I dropped out because I was at a shit university and also I had a job where I was making as much as with a degree so I didn't really see the point | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | what was your major ? | [16:13] |
| vc: | since then my decision has been confirmed with professional experience and also I'm travelling the world instead which has been leagues better to me than university ever was | [16:14] |
| vc: | CS, specializing in computer security | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ever thought of trying something more alligned with the actual purpose of universities, ie, scoring ? dunno, humanities, bidniss, whatever ? | [16:14] |
| vc: | maybe, though I have heard bad things about the university here, I am currently living in romania ) | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | where in romania ? | [16:15] |
| vc: | bucharest | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | so how do you like romania ? | [16:16] |
| Framedragger: | vc: k, gotcha. thanks and that's useful to know | [16:16] |
| vc: | it's great, the internet here is very fast and the food is very good :@) | [16:16] |
| vc: | it's also very cheap to live here, considering I still work for a US company | [16:16] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh <- ahahaa, in that Bucharest is the only *city* as such... | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i lived there for a few years. 2nd bitcoin conference also held there (timisoara). meanwhile though, moved to argentina. | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | towns plenty, way better than Bucharest too, sure | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | so what was your involvement in that 2015 "scandal" ? | [16:17] |
| vc: | someone registered on my public E-mail server and sent threats through my service, I was the only public face other than the police or the school district so I was subject to a lot of media attention | [16:18] |
| vc: | I was all over the news in the US and Romania for 3 or 4 days | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | $rate vc 2 cock.li hoster published "secret" supoena back in 2015. | [16:19] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/bd28f309-ecf5-4094-8143-a53c9147c8cb/ | [16:19] |
| vc: | :) | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe. | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know vc.gg is not responding ? | [16:19] |
| vc: | works on my machine (tm) | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see. alright, so what are your plans for the future ? | [16:19] |
| vc: | mircea_popescu: http://vc.gg/OYWJ5v8F | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | $v D4EF258C4C32362B7B34529EA60A5C6351CA4FB37E4BE11D7FA745314F6A0A3D | [16:20] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu updated rating of vc from 1 to 2 << cock.li hoster published "secret" supoena back in 2015. | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope, can't see it. | [16:22] |
| vc: | o | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | neither can https://archive.is/UOT63 | [16:22] |
| vc: | re: future plans | [16:22] |
| vc: | https://my.mixtape.moe/rwuurt.jpg | [16:22] |
| shinohai: | $rate vc 1 Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm kinda hoping for something for kicks in it | [16:22] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2f9476a1-e6c8-45ee-99f7-67c987583ad1/ | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | cocks even | [16:22] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: `nslookup` should say 185.100.85.212 maybe your overzealous hosts policy heh | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc so how did you hear about bitcoin ? | [16:23] |
| vc: | idk I first got into it in 2010 I think? | [16:23] |
| shinohai: | $v 11CE7949F6FA74F604A385035A422F9C91218E367F81A8ADD854B3E71B6579A7 | [16:23] |
| deedbot: | shinohai rated vc 1 << Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well | [16:23] |
| vc: | BTC was $0.8 - $0.9 | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you do anything ? services, whatever ? | [16:24] |
| vc: | mostly just between friends, and buying stuff with bitcoin when it was available | [16:25] |
| vc: | I gave away several bitcoin when they were worth nothing :) | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | you ever heard about eulora ? | [16:25] |
| vc: | nope | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | how about sec sending supoenas to this romanian-based dude back in 2012, when they were posturing about satoshi dice ? | [16:26] |
| vc: | I do remember satoshi dice, though I don't remember buch past that | [16:27] |
| vc: | much* | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | interesting how fragmented this supposed "bitcoin community" actually is. alright, so what's your plan with the hoster ? what was it, cock.li ? | [16:27] |
| vc: | the email site is https://cock.li/ , the VPS provider is https://box.cock.li/ | [16:27] |
| vc: | the former is not-for-profit, the second is for-profit | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you plan to pivot from corporate life to independence with it ? or is it just a hobby on the side ? for the lulz ? for the whats ? | [16:28] |
| vc: | the server hardware I purchased can host a maximum of 280 clients with some more memory and disk space, so after I get it up and running and stable then I'm probably going to go for that | [16:28] |
| vc: | I don't think those are necessarily mutually exclusive ) | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe. so what do you mean "get it up and running and stable" ? | [16:29] |
| vc: | I have literally 0 experience running a VPS provider | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you have experience with ? | [16:29] |
| phf: | "Despite what some may tell you, cock.li does not tolerate abuse of its servers. [...] Due to my privacy policy which protects my user's data, you will probably not receive a response." nice | [16:30] |
| vc: | I have lots of experience as a linux sysadmin, which helps ) | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's not really 0 then, is it ? | [16:30] |
| vc: | I dream of a world where I incorporate cock.li and operate and expand a semi-trolling corporation | [16:30] |
| vc: | the way I had it described to me is "almost like ironic professionalism" | [16:30] |
| vc: | also yes, fair point :) | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you happen to know the republic has been looking for an actual republican isp ? | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually, you even heard of tmsr ? | [16:31] |
| vc: | I take inspiration from GNAA in that regard, though I think I could make it into an actual profit-producing company | [16:31] |
| vc: | I have no idea of the republic or tmsr I just heard shit was hot and poppin' here so I joined | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool. so... are you married ? | [16:32] |
| vc: | nope, I'm 21 | [16:32] |
| vc: | I almost got married though a couple years ago | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | what broke it off ? | [16:32] |
| vc: | (after a 6 year relationship, so it's not like I was jumping in feet-first) | [16:33] |
| vc: | oh, you know, reasons ) | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | as in, other cocks ? | [16:33] |
| vc: | turned out to be one of the best decisions I've made | [16:33] |
| vc: | haha | [16:33] |
| vc: | not getting married has allowed me to pursue travelling the world and pursuing other ventures | [16:33] |
| vc: | only after it was all over did I realize I'm too damn young to get married | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so where've you been besides maine and bucharest ? | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | $up vc | [16:34] |
| deedbot: | vc voiced for 30 minutes. | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can also self-up by telling the bot $up in a pm | [16:35] |
| vc: | nowhere that's public information :@) though I plan on backpacking most of europe next year | [16:35] |
| vc: | and asia the year after that | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds like a plan eh. so what's your favourite romanian dish ? | [16:35] |
| vc: | cow bone soup O_O | [16:36] |
| vc: | I had lunch at Excelsior in Bucharest, if you know that place | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie oxtail ? | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do. | [16:36] |
| vc: | I went with an older friend who was a government official before he retired | [16:36] |
| vc: | crazy place | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | so what don't you like about it ? | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | the place, i mean. | [16:37] |
| vc: | Excelsior? Nah it was great | [16:37] |
| vc: | it | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, the country. | [16:37] |
| vc: | ah | [16:37] |
| vc: | I don't really know anything I don't like, though I did see a gypsy shitting in the street about a month ago, that was pretty unsettling | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | better in the street than in your enchilada though. | [16:38] |
| vc: | hah | [16:38] |
| phf: | wait till you make it to asia.. | [16:38] |
| vc: | how do I do this fancy OTP thing | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty, anything you want to tell teh readership in closing ? | [16:38] |
| vc: | yes, always follow you are dreams | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo whadda ya think ? acceptabru ? i'll clean it up an' send over. | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc it sends you a link, it contains a pgp encrypted thing, you decrypt it and feed it back as $v blabla | [16:41] |
| phf: | vc: what's the time frame on the server being up? "wednesday or thursday" | [16:41] |
| vc: | oh, thanks | [16:41] |
| vc: | got it! | [16:41] |
| vc: | phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | so how about you stop dicking around and just colocate some boxes and weld the cages shut ? | [16:42] |
| vc: | lmao | [16:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.evz.ro/vincent-canfield-rupe-tacerea-nu-sunt-suspectat-de-terorism-am-venit-in-romania-pentru-viteza-ridicata-la-internet.html << the ro papers are the lulz of all times. | [16:42] |
| vc: | I am colocating, and yes physical security is a serious consideration ) | [16:42] |
| vc: | yeah, I did interviews for digi 24, antena 3, antena 1, and uh whatever the public broadcast one is | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you fuck any of the starlets yet ? | [16:43] |
| vc: | most of them falsely claimed I was wanted by the FBI | [16:43] |
| vc: | lmao I haven't seen any | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird. | [16:44] |
| vc: | wtf | [16:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | next time tv crew pops up, ask them. | [16:44] |
| vc: | I can't tell if you're serious or not | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | dead serious. | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | the system's been around for decades i fucked a bunch in my day. recently they tried to close the thing down, arrested gals by the pail, but... from what i hear it didn't take. | [16:46] |
| Framedragger: | (man, i just remembered one of the reasons i started hanging around here. these characters and their stories..) | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.romanialibera.ro/actualitate/eveniment/stenograme-in-dosarul-prostitutiei-de-lux-cu-asistente-tv-si-politicieni-366566 << even got teh secret services involved lol. | [16:47] |
| vc: | man wtf | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471900 two weeks :D | [16:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 20:41 vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc you been missing out ? | [16:49] |
| vc: | so how do these chicks advertise themselves? from TV shows, or adverts? | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | you see that she is on tv, and know what that means, pretty much. | [16:50] |
| vc: | what like any female on TV? | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, but any female in the age range with no obvious reason of being there. | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | as they say in poker, the reason IS obvious, just maybe not to you. | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | though credit where credit's due, the italian tv invented the method. | [16:51] |
| vc: | I'd pay $500 to fuck the journalist at antena 1 that interviewed me tbh | [16:51] |
| vc: | haven't found the video of that interview but she was pretty qt | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you're an adult, get some contacts in the trade an' ask around. odds being in your favour. | [16:51] |
| Framedragger: | vc: paid for a vps, lemme know if box 'hivc' becomes a nuisance in terms abuse complaints, willya :) | [17:00] |
| vc: | will do ) | [17:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, right, prolly should get a node. hey vc what do you recommend for bitcoin node ? vps carry it ? | [17:03] |
| vc: | I'm not sure what you're referring to. Are you asking me how I'm doing btc payments? | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am asking you, if i intend to run a btc node, ie, a blockchain's worth of gb etc, what's the solution cock.li offers | [17:04] |
| vc: | oh, how large is the blockchain nowadays? | [17:05] |
| jurov: | 70GB | [17:05] |
| vc: | wew lad | [17:05] |
| vc: | only the 4GB server with 120GB storage would be able to store that, though if running a bitcoind node is your intention then using pure SSD storage may be wasted potential | [17:06] |
| vc: | meaning you may be able to get a better deal elsewhere | [17:06] |
| jurov: | it *requires* SSD | [17:06] |
| vc: | oic | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | it requires ssd and about 3gb ram | [17:07] |
| vc: | oh, well then the 4GB server should do it, at least until the blockchain outgrows that :@) | [17:07] |
| vc: | though I think I should be able to offer expansions to disk space, not sure about that yet | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much would that be ? | [17:07] |
| vc: | $40 a month | [17:07] |
| vc: | also as of this moment 4 units of space are not currently available on cock box, sadly :( | [17:08] |
| vc: | too much money xxx | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what : i'll buy that, and pay it in advance for a year, provided you install and manage a trb node there. | [17:08] |
| vc: | pffft | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | (it mostly builds without problems via V) | [17:08] |
| vc: | I do not know what a trb node is | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the logs are your friends :) | [17:09] |
| Framedragger: | [inb4 ideology *popcorn*] | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically some usg assholes tried to hijack the bitcoin. trb aka the real bitcoin is the... well, the real bitcoin. | [17:09] |
| vc: | oh I see, I found thebitcoin.foundation | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | word. | [17:10] |
| vc: | how much bandwidth would something like this use monthly? | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | not terribly much i've never measured to average > 1mbps. | [17:13] |
| pete_dushenski: | 1-2gb per month ? | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but at any rate this conversation definitely lays bare just how badly we've missed the boat by not increasing blocksize when usgavin wanted to. | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | woe to us. | [17:14] |
| vc: | ok yeah cool, so are you asking me to run something independently while you do X on your server? or are you asking me to configure your server myself, setting up the daemon? or are you instead asking me to do nothing except give you your server | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | the middle one it seems. | [17:15] |
| vc: | ok sure, I can do that | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | usure ? fine then. btc addy ? | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ticker --market all | [17:16] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.37, vol: 3617.26098064 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.901, vol: 5304.88381 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.9, vol: 12300.67551329 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 3.1784327 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.074564, vol: 28102.56580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.0, vol: 787.79024574 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.8629, vol: 36.06132496 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | calc 40 * 12 / 448 | [17:17] |
| gribble: | 1.07142857143 | [17:17] |
| vc: | let me do a bit more research first before I accept your money, want to be sure everything will be fine | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [17:17] |
| vc: | is this just a modified bitcoind instance? or something else? | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | how's your popcorn going Framedragger :D | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc it's the original bitcoin yes. it's been modified hence. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | (to be shittier) | [17:18] |
| vc: | ok is this like a fork of the main bitcoin network? | [17:19] |
| vc: | I understand that this is a branch of some type from the typical doings of what I know as the bitcoin foundation | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | mno, this is the main bitcoin network. but there are various other forks. | [17:20] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: i ran out of popcorn so ordered some more but bitcoins are not confirming.... chinese hackers??? :/ | [17:20] |
| Framedragger: | (i jest) | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | and a bunch of scammers running a faux foundation, also. vessenes & merck et al | [17:21] |
| * asciilifeform | pulsates | [17:21] |
| * asciilifeform | eating caek at a heathen clone of arkakao | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | found your local gal ?! | [17:22] |
| asciilifeform: | nah | [17:22] |
| asciilifeform: | gluttony, recall | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, cake is almost just as good | [17:22] |
| asciilifeform: | aha and it dun run away screaming when it sees me!111 | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, they ran away screaming when they saw the diminutive khan, also | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't keep him from being the most prolific father in the history of humanity. | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform: | lel tru | [17:24] |
| asciilifeform: | all i need is a horde | [17:24] |
| asciilifeform: | btw the real chicago feels like nyc but less crowd of idiot | [17:25] |
| pete_dushenski: | ^ | [17:25] |
| pete_dushenski: | superb early 20th century architectural zoo | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski is old hand there? | [17:25] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: is the zoo worthwhile? | [17:25] |
| pete_dushenski: | spent some time there, yes | [17:25] |
| vc: | hm, I feel I may be missing some details. If you pay me 1.07 BTC will that BTC be usable with services connected to the BTC network such as Coinbase or Newegg? | [17:26] |
| asciilifeform: | hotel is bloody expensive, ~btc/d | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc im sure it will. | [17:26] |
| vc: | (I'm trying to figure out whether your bitcoin network is the most popular bitcoin network or a hard fork of another network) | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no actual fork yet, no. bitcoin is still bitcoin. | [17:26] |
| vc: | ok, I understand | [17:26] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: actual zoo ? couldn't say if there even is one. aquarium on the lake, indeed! | [17:26] |
| asciilifeform: | vc: traditional bitcoin, minus buncha bugz | [17:26] |
| * asciilifeform | did a good chunk of the subtraction, askhimanything (tm) | [17:27] |
| vc: | ok sure, mircea_popescu is this a time-sensitive request? I would prefer to wait until I get all the other services running and analyze the storage situation before I commit to another 120GB of storage | [17:28] |
| vc: | right now the site just filled up a few minutes ago, there is still space left for memory and everything, but the storage is already sold | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | vc take your time. im mostrly trying to support initiative here. | [17:29] |
| vc: | ok sure, I will stay in this channel and I will let you know | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | *thumbsup* | [17:29] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl | [17:31] |
| shinohai: | later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/LcZ | [17:34] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [17:34] |
| Framedragger: | https://vc.gg/blog/?p=15 ain't that nice! | [17:36] |
| vc: | :D | [17:38] |
| Framedragger: | vc: it's cool that you don't preemptively block tor. (on that note, fuck cloudflare with a thousand rakes). | [17:40] |
| deedbot: | [Trilema] Xenforo : no better than vbulletin certainly not all that different - http://trilema.com/2016/xenforo-no-better-than-vbulletin-certainly-not-all-that-different/ | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | dayum. one of the best parts of not sending girls out to gym is that you can generally take a break and watch one torture herself. | [17:46] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468545 i spoke with smart folk and i'll consider writing a short design document of some kind, for general and specific criticism. fair warning, will also use that opportunity to to enquire how it can be funded by tmsr / whateva. because can't hurt. | [17:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-19 15:14 mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app" | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [17:50] |
| Framedragger: | alrite :) | [17:52] |
| Framedragger: | sometimes i just want to dedicate my life to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu there are those moments. | [17:59] |
| Framedragger: | """It has always been much more ambitious, proposing an entire form of literature where links do not break as versions change where documents may be closely compared side by side and closely annotated where it is possible to see the origins of every quotation and in which there is a valid copyright system-- a literary, legal and business arrangement-- for frictionless, non-negotiated quotation at any time and in any amount. | [18:05] |
| Framedragger: | The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/ | [18:05] |
| Framedragger: | http://kottke.org/14/06/pioneering-hypertext-project-xanadu-released-after-54-years | [18:07] |
| Framedragger: | (also, nelson's rules: 1. most people are fools. 2. most authority is malignant. 3. God does not exist. 4. everything is wrong.) | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | http://theviewfromhell.blogspot.com/2013/02/single-income-no-kids-supernormal.html?m=1 << via pet | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski , et al | [18:20] |
| ben_vulpes: | usians are generally too broke to maintain a woman much less a family, news at eleven? | [18:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | (much less wife family and other women) | [18:27] |
| pete_dushenski: | all men everywhere ever have been 'generally' too broke to maintain woman, thus polygyny, neh ? | [18:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | but yes celebrate the no children lifestyle, the 'mgtow' lifestyle, the hairshirt environmentalism | [18:27] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one' | [18:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler" | [18:30] |
| pete_dushenski: | eh children aren't so bad. hell, i don't even mind work these days. taxes and women ? let's just call them a challenge to be risen to. | [18:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | 'tis a bit of sarcasm | [18:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger is that a naggum quote ? | [18:43] |
| pete_dushenski: | speaking of sarcasm, how goes the little fam, ben_vulpes ? sleeping through the night ? | [18:43] |
| ben_vulpes: | mhm for months now | [18:44] |
| pete_dushenski: | bravo! | [18:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | sat up under his own steam the other day, entirely on accident i'm sure. | [18:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | and yours? | [18:45] |
| pete_dushenski: | it's all accidents, like each of us being here! | [18:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i wasn't aware the notion of children = unwanted pests is at all controversial. pretty much the only mammals that engage in it do so when they have absolutely no other option, much like poor working classes hitting the gin. | [18:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | my little bruiser is... still a bruiser. no convergence to the mean just yet. | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | even someone as clueless as a medieval noble needed the entire arbitrary structure of male inheritance to be marginally bothered with it, | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | and even then they barely bothered and generally the children lived as slaves / war captives. (see the duke of perigord's adventures for a fine example of this) | [18:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | 'children are better seen, not heard' (tm) | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, it's amply documented how britain throughout its rise and preeminence treaded middle class children as exactly war captives, even going so far as to switch them around so natural affection won't entice the female to get in the way of mistreatment. | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | "What is almost nonexistent is the childfree housewife - a woman who does not do market labor, is supported by her husband, but does not have children." << bullshit slavegirl counts here. | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | far from nonexistant. | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | funny that the author carefully tries to invent domestic-slavery-without-the-slavery though. oh, really, SHE CUTS HIS HAIR ?!?!?! | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472038 << ye fool, asciilifeform is mebbe 40-50% pet-powered | [18:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 22:30 ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler" | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun cook, clean, or fuck myself | [18:55] |
| asciilifeform: | and pet reads logz on occasion, and we rip into the gristle. | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one' << ah to you too huh ? | [18:56] |
| pete_dushenski: | lol yup | [18:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform what's to rip into gristle | [18:56] |
| asciilifeform: | also i'm in a magnificent bldg , so old that the lifts have lifteurs, and everything is polished brass and marble | [18:56] |
| asciilifeform: | and the bookstore has a gigantic cat | [18:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice! | [18:57] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: you're seeing the beauty of that city now. it's really rather well preserved as a whole. a gleaming testament to the glory days 1870-1930 | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case. | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's why actuaries make miserable managers. | [18:58] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: the fact that chicago hasn't been able to muster so much as a sneezing fit since then is what's allowed it to be embalmed so well. not all cities are so fortunate as to have only ONE boom. | [18:59] |
| pete_dushenski: | (per century or two) | [18:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | which what statistics? | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: yeah i know | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform: | and all i ever really wanted was to live in 1880s | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform: | so it is goof theme park | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform: | good | [19:00] |
| pete_dushenski: | quite so. | [19:00] |
| asciilifeform: | blasted toy kbd | [19:00] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: speaking of that golden era, you'd probably enjoy 'titan' the jdr bio. | [19:00] |
| asciilifeform: | possib | [19:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: which statistics? | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | any | [19:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | i don't know what line of mine you're responding to. | [19:02] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: not that bios are my thing, so i really have little to compare it to. so take the recommendation with a grain of salt. | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | "ciggs are bad for you" "no, they're bad FOR PEOPLE. mine are great for me" "kids suck" "maybe yours" etc. | [19:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | sure | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | "lottery is a fool's proposition" "i've won five million" etc etc | [19:02] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: there's stats and there's stats. avg plane jumper is quite as flat as median jumper... | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | my meal\'s ready will bbs :D | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then! | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting. | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's what you attempt to do by moving it into the field of plainer mechanics - but it also becomes very banal for the move. | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | girls do a lot of home cooking. you've never had better bread or sweets or sauces of all kinds or soups, or what have you. but is it cheap or is it expensive ? they can not beat the 2.50 mcd meal or the 7 dollars for a pound of hershey's sugar goop. which is what people usually complaining of the cost of "natural living" usually eat. | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | and on it goes in that manner. | [19:22] |
| ben_vulpes: | and if one gets enough of it, even the $20/plate shit starts to lose its appeal. "what did you bring me? and at what speed? i get better at home in my underwear, and it's salted properly to boot." | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was not even thinking of anything under 100 a plate tbh. | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training not if you're of any taste at least. | [19:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | enough of it was ~4 years ago, but w/e | [19:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | starred restaurants can, and no one else. | [19:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you know ... is it expensive ? well no, if i had to chez victor every day i'd be looking at 1/4 mn p a bills. | [19:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, my cheap home meals still are outrageous to the guy to whom fiddy bucks'd better be dinner movie + blowjob. and sure, it can be that. ar arby's! | [19:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the whole thing goes straight into http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 | [19:26] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" | [19:26] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472098 << noshit.jpg | [19:26] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 23:24 mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training not if you're of any taste at least. | [19:26] |
| pete_dushenski: | pretty sure arby's has a 2 gyros for $8 deal on atm ) | [19:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i'm sure they're makin' someone happy. | [19:27] |
| pete_dushenski: | pretty serious cultural appropriate, so ya | [19:27] |
| pete_dushenski: | appropriation* | [19:27] |
| pete_dushenski: | like sbux chai latte, curry-flavoured mcnuggets, etc. | [19:28] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: re mega-quote, what do i pay to visit planet where there can be no pdiddy? | [19:28] |
| pete_dushenski: | (latter isn't real thing, yet) | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | and just the fact that i can say what i want, and then it magically appears while i irc... what restaurant can do this. | [19:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ^^^ | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform you mean, fundamentally, can't ? | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have no idea, but i am persuaded such planet'd suck big time. | [19:28] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [19:28] |
| asciilifeform: | planet 1880 | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | not so, don't be silly. | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | they certainly had him then. | [19:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1880 is more barnum than it is a huxley. | [19:29] |
| asciilifeform: | not my 1880!1111 | [19:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so how are you better off there than here then! :D | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | my 1880 is all tesla et al | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472092 << i'm convinced that ~all thinking blokes with offspring, just kowtowed to woman as condition of fucking | [19:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 23:20 mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting. | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | also i accidentally pasted above to pet | [19:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i doubt this. it's more of a cost on women than on men, to begin with. | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | who went 'lol, cpt obvious' | [19:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | why is she not actually here anyway ? | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | can't be arsed | [19:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | and to delve into mircea_popescu> there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training << tis not a matter of it being you know, the evil capitalist being mean and bad for the evulz. it's that they fucking can't. period. girl can, and will, and does make mayo out of eggs and olive oil. how the fuck is 3 man restaurant to do this ? they can't do this. they have to buy it. | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | how am i to not know the difference, immediately, between one or the other ? it simply can not be. | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's the denied middle, like chips in runs of 50`000. you can have 1000. you can have 1mn. you can't have a fucking 50k. | [19:36] |
| asciilifeform: | just like you cannot pay for, e.g., adacoin. | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | it dun happen for fee | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | which goes right back to the whole marriage thing. all the derps excited about how "woman loves to be raped" fail to comprehend that NOT BY YOU OMFG. yes, by that guy, to whom anything is allowed, he can piss on her shirt buttons and she'll save them in her secret girly jool box. what's that do for average joe. | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | for avgjoe -- wagner, cyanide ?? | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | how about just settling the fuck down. | [19:42] |
| asciilifeform: | on what? stake? | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is the trouble with "modern democracy"-es throughout history, they overinnervate the average joe. it's like amphetamine on a historical scale. | [19:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | have some tea and go to bed what! | [19:42] |
| asciilifeform: | this 'settle down' isn't actually a menu item no moar | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's unfortunate. | [19:43] |
| asciilifeform: | yeah but when you goto bed, you - usually - wake up again. | [19:44] |
| asciilifeform: | thenwhat! | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just meant settle down in the general sense they're kids that ate too much sugary goop. | [19:44] |
| asciilifeform: | who exactly ? | [19:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | these dudes/dudettes figuring "they should change the world" or w/e the fuck they're figuring, i have no idea. average joe on a mission of ruining his own life because too much tv. | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | fact is, everyone knows 1) meaningful life exists 2) but entirely out of reach for them, like alpha centauri | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3) mostly because they're too fucking agitated. | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | a supercharged tachyon can traverse the whole galaxy and not find any matter to interact with. | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, if supercharged enough IT CAN EVEN GO TO 1880 and still nada. | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | young folks - who still have life in'em and not ready for wagner - are agitated, this is normal.. | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think it is normal i think it was common, in america, in the 20th century. but not really otherwise. | [19:50] |
| asciilifeform: | and holyshitt is that a lift with a fucking ORGAN in it?! | [19:50] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf. | [19:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | money can't buy adacoin, but it can buy liftorgan | [19:51] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: well yeah, 1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm' | [19:51] |
| asciilifeform: | they dunmakethesenomoar | [19:52] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: sure as hell | [19:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i bet edison's original electric chair is in some restaurant here somewhere | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform there's this epic exchange : http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | who's scamming who, and for what ? | [19:53] |
| asciilifeform: | and visitors can sizzle in it for a minute for a dollar | [19:53] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: epic aha | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems the old guy's pushing the young guy to be agitated there. for profit. | [19:54] |
| asciilifeform: | the winnerz fuck the luserz, how else | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but i meant the germane part. | [19:54] |
| asciilifeform: | yeah but no, nature pre-agitated him, koschei is only steering him | [19:55] |
| asciilifeform: | like horse. | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | see, i can appreciate this "1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm'", except the first part is strictly incorrect and yet... there's a counter recorded also. | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe. | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | but by now i suspect they're mostly artificially agitated. | [19:55] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform is agitated since ~birth. who did this ? | [19:56] |
| asciilifeform: | just happenz | [19:56] |
| asciilifeform: | folx arr agitated for a few decades and then wagner. such is life | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472069 | [19:57] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 22:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case. | [19:57] |
| asciilifeform: | sure. | [19:57] |
| shinohai: | http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/stupid/meth-burrito-border-bust-546397 <<< 10/10 would hide burrito | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | in random intel of the day : http://www.marathon-studios.com/ in its own copy "Marathon Studios, Inc. manages a network of web properties, apps and services used by millions of people around the world every month. We specialize in creating clean, modern applications designed to help make the Web a more useful place for our visitors. ", but really the dba of one jonathan weber (in his own face http://www.marathon-studios.com/i | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | mages/JonathanWeber.jpg ) does all sorts of ugc traps such as https://www.abuseipdb.com/sitemap which are basically dead in the water but deeply seo'd etc items, and even knows enough about bitcoin to solicit donations (0 interest so far however). | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | youth, a wonderful thing. | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | just like the new generation of cunny is "i love to watch netflix", the new generation of cocklet is, "computer security and i like to travel". post-postmodernity. | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Stroudsburg resident and East Stroudsburg University junior Jonathan Weber, who founded eDentified People Search, was one of three award-winners for the ESU Innovator of the Year during the Greater Pocono Chamber of Commerce Bizzy Awards on Thursday night at the Chateau in Tannesville." | [21:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | the press page is altogether worth a read | [21:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | > 2012 | [21:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | as alf says, agitation lasts a finite time. | [21:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, shot him an invite. curious if mine does as good as yours ben_vulpes >D | [21:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | (not that i have much hope.) | [21:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other lolz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNR6CjwuyqQ | [21:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | joost euuhh! | [21:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | (chick won "teleorman spring" local talent contest in one of romania's poorest counties, coupla years back, been working for srs on her career hence.) | [21:17] |
| asciilifeform: | i think the floor above mine has golden toilets | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ... that mark twain shat in. | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | moving to chic-ago alfie ? | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | lel not before i alchemy | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: response to an invite is one thing, utility to wot on an enduring basis entirely another. | [21:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | surely. | [21:28] |
| * ben_vulpes | off, children to dandle and babes to fondle | [21:29] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. << $500 a month for apartment | [21:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | If you live among the polaks | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrRfiCVkIw&t=14 << check out this fucktard, machine gun on a segway. | [21:32] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472204 << lel, BingoBoingo actually thinks i'd fit in a $500 anything on whatever planet | [21:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 01:31 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. << $500 a month for apartment | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i showed you the grated concrete hole | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | aha! i miss it still | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | the one in ro | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | with the rubbish | [21:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, the one on tumblr, with the girl. | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hmm? | [21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | too lazy to dig for it. 3 x 3 x 3 foot hole in concrete with a grating over it. | [21:41] |
| asciilifeform: | oubliette? | [21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, $500 apt | [21:42] |
| asciilifeform: | lel! | [21:42] |
| asciilifeform: | btw we call them 'stone sack' in ru for some reason | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://twitter.com/callcutewhore << possibly the world's most obscure not-actually-terrible band | [21:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: A whole warehouse of 1880's vintage can't be too expensive | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: maxint | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | the cheapest warehouse in usa is still > what my organs are worth. | [21:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Look https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/off/5579045755.html | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: that dun look livable | [21:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | What part of that is not liveable? | [21:45] |
| asciilifeform: | makes mircea_popescu's oubliette look appealing | [21:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | 950 square feet and lots of land for intermodal containers on the lot | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: dunno, the cardboard walls, the glass ? | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | Look alf leaving the swamp has a price | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo actually i'm moderately surprised alf's preferred mode isn't actually intermodal containers. including a set of containers containing robotrs that make containers and so on. | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | seriously | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | them wallz won't stop ak round | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd have expected by the time he's 35 he's built himself a self-expanding "house" and set it out in arizona or w/e | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform depends how many of them. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: costs maxint to heat'em | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | them being iron | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | over 5 years your compound could have grown to 10mn containers and exponentially from there. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | in arizona - cooling | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | also maxint | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform think in terms of websites. they just build themselves. | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | just need iron / oil rich soil. | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | eventually build your own nuke plant... out of cointainers... | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | lego for adults. | [21:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | Look at all $800 can rent, can you see? https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/off/5600885470.html | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeforms live at 21 c | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform: | or they melt | [21:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | $1500, Can you see? https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/off/5574444341.html | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i see orc ac | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ick | [21:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | And swamp is better? | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | that last one looks interesting | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | what happens when city halls finds out that somebody lives in industrial zoned addr? | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | prolly problemz | [21:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | NO, Industrial zoning allows all less restricted activities including normal commerce and residential use. | [21:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Seriously, never heard of an manager living onsite? | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | but yeah BingoBoingo these are all riotously cheaper than my humble castle asciilifeformenstein | [21:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | Right, because not on fucking bezzel coast | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i would like to know why the diff | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that it is because chicago is not expected to last long when the lafondocalypse | [21:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, Chicago also has land to sprawl on | [21:54] |
| asciilifeform: | https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/numeric-linear-algebra-code-an-appreciation << unrelated but quite interesting | [21:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | Whereas entire coast is full. | [21:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | Seriously what is 40 miles from alf castle? moar cities. 40 miles from Chicago? exurbs filtering out to nothingness. | [21:56] |
| asciilifeform: | dc has those also | [21:57] |
| asciilifeform: | i live in one | [21:57] |
| BingoBoingo: | Right, but what is out from the DC exurbs? Chicago exurbs literally lead out to nothing. | [21:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | How far from DC do you need to be for Corn? | [21:58] |
| asciilifeform: | hour or so | [21:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | And is that hour drive Corn in EVERY direction? | [21:59] |
| asciilifeform: | nope | [21:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | And 3 hours out still corn in EVERY direction? | [22:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | And 5 hours out Corn and city in 1 Direction? | [22:00] |
| asciilifeform: | 3h east puts you in ocean | [22:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA, but how much do people pay for ocean going residence? | [22:01] |
| asciilifeform: | maxint | [22:02] |
| asciilifeform: | ah at last actual computer. | [22:09] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu around ? | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's right on that score, all industrial means is you can't rent for higher purpose. | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ah theeeere he is | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola! | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | time to switch off dulap ? | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | castle asciiformfenstein ? nb. | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure go ahead. | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy. | [22:14] |
| asciilifeform: | farewell 136+ day trb uptime | [22:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ record afaik ^ | [22:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, at least this time you got warning. | [22:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ~7G ram footprint at the end. | [22:15] |
| asciilifeform: | btw, mircea_popescu , no raid barf in the machine log | [22:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. what can i tell ya. | [22:16] |
| asciilifeform: | anyway it's off now. | [22:16] |
| asciilifeform: | btw i have no means of turning the thing back on personally. | [22:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you actually probe the controller ? | [22:17] |
| asciilifeform: | not as such, just examined the system log | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | and saw none of the characteristic spew | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | of a dying drive. | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean of a spindle drive ? | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | of whatever kind. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | i keep raid at home, recall. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | and elsewhere | [22:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | (build spiffy raid from ssd, which 'yer not supposed to!1111' just recently.) | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | *built | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | staggered over months | [22:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | and your ssd raid arrays fail with spew in the system log ? | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | so as to prevent the common 'all dead together' | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: aha, i use only hardware raid | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | mine usually just go "running into last 10% of magic space, change this pos plox" | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | which logs any and all incidents of 'write x but read back y' | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've never seen that in a ssd. it's either "low spare" or else bricked. | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | ah see if i get even 1 'wrote x but read y' drive is dropped and hotspare is turned on | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | admittedly not that many failures altogether. | [22:21] |
| asciilifeform: | and 'read nuffin' because drive is brick' falls under this condition | [22:21] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472285 << i still hold that locklin's whipping at mircea_popescu's hands was wholly undeserved | [22:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:14 mircea_popescu: heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy. | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | and there is nothing 'buzzy' about the fella | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | he writes 2-3 posts a year | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | about - without exception - intelligent and rare things | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, there's two of us, you read yours i read mine. | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | eh sure. | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i fail to see what's intelligent in this so far. maudlin spuriosities about stuff ~I~ know about, and i'm so much a "computer dork" as i'm a fighter pilot. | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the fucking obvious reason why c decided to be row-major is because the screen flows top to bottom not left to right. | [22:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | for all the wankery & assorted namedropping for no useful purpose, he might FUCKING KNOW THIS MUCH. | [22:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | oddly, "no updates since 2014" stands against libflame, but not against lapack/blas. which was last updated in 1974. | [22:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ditto macsyma | [22:31] |
| asciilifeform: | phun phakt, i actually put motherfucking macsyma to use at rupturefarmz | [22:31] |
| asciilifeform: | it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons | [22:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the marginal point here is that yes, sooner or later - and likelyt sooner than i'd like - we'll end up havign to tmsr this stupid shit also. | [22:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | and ada will be epic for the purpose. | [22:32] |
| asciilifeform: | hey i started tmsring it before there was tmsr. | [22:32] |
| asciilifeform: | and it is quite pointless to do symbolic algebra in anything other than a lisp. | [22:32] |
| asciilifeform: | (ada is quite ok for writing lisps in) | [22:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [22:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the supersecret future plan of factory -> vsli -> ada -> lisp -> scheme / numeric algebra / stuff is busted open by careless accidental coversations in a public channel | [22:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | we totally have to introduce a secrecy system because look how well it worked for the usgistans. | [22:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. wank, a locklin stock in trade (tm). moving on. | [22:35] |
| asciilifeform: | to me algebratron is ~half the point of even MAKING computer at all. | [22:38] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111 | [22:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 19:20 pete_dushenski: ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.' | [22:48] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471749 << what is it with folks doing that. how is the problem not obvious..? | [22:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 20:06 vc: https://keybase.io/hacker | [22:49] |
| asciilifeform: | am i thick or what. | [22:50] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 << what in this case is 'very weird' ? | [22:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 20:44 mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird. | [22:51] |
| asciilifeform: | (what would 500 bux get me?) | [22:51] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471942 << 8 unless you like babysitting the box | [22:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 21:07 mircea_popescu: it requires ssd and about 3gb ram | [22:52] |
| asciilifeform: | 4 will stay up for ~month. | [22:52] |
| asciilifeform: | (yeah can reboot in cron job, and curse my name every time) | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471951 << pretty sure current rotor builds just about anywhere | [22:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 21:08 mircea_popescu: (it mostly builds without problems via V) | [22:54] |
| asciilifeform: | (somebody - phf? even has bsd build) | [22:54] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472028 << we had >1 ted nelson thread here, Framedragger. dig in the logz.. | [22:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-25 22:05 Framedragger: The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/ | [22:56] |
| * asciilifeform | owns the man's complete printed crackpot worx | [22:56] |
| mod6: | i have an openbsd with some custom patches and tweaks. | [22:58] |
| mod6: | built with 'stator' | [22:59] |
| asciilifeform: | bsd never had glibcism and doesn't really need rotorization | [22:59] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl | [23:04] |
| asciilifeform: | .... if i were more than theoretically movable, i would consider moving here. it is spiffy | [23:42] |
| asciilifeform: | but if my current gig goes south for some reason, it's back to butugychag. | [23:43] |
| asciilifeform: | this is the diff between real folx like mircea_popescu , and indentured wretches | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | well, ONE diff | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun have a reactor, just a very long cord. that is liable to shorten whenever. | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | i had cords this long before. | [23:45] |
| deedbot: | [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why The National is (and Augusta National was) a men-only private golf club. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/25/why-the-national-is-and-augusta-national-was-a-men-only-private-golf-club/ | [23:46] |
| asciilifeform: | but a cord is still a cord, can be pulled on. | [23:46] |
| asciilifeform: | pete's son plays gold already?! | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform: | golf | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform: | grrrrrr | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform: | i'm still not convinced that golf is actual game, vs weird status cargocult thing | [23:48] |
| asciilifeform: | (and in my last days at rupturefarms i even played once) | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | darn | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472279 << this is elementary! if it were practical to live there without growing 'problems', folks WOULD live there, and it would cost what a massive residential flat costs. | [23:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:12 mircea_popescu: he's right on that score, all industrial means is you can't rent for higher purpose. | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472340 << if your daughter gets married to phf and has kids with p diddy, what exactly has "alwaysruled" ? you ? | [23:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111 | [23:53] |
| asciilifeform: | dynasty did | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | bullshit. | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | dinasty of what, cuckoos ? | [23:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i didn't mean same physical people, no | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | you didn't mean anything it's all expostfacto. "the people that turn out to be we'll call the people that will turn out to be and win" | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | [insert the swift thread here] | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, women are wired to survive and deliver and they do. if this is "dynasty", lucy is the original lizard. | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | see mircea_popescu i try to save the readerz time!1111 | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [23:55] |
| * asciilifeform | drinking in some random tavern | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472329 << i am surprised. next you're gonna tell me old dos games beat ipad offerings. | [23:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:32 asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | darned luddite! | [23:55] |
| asciilifeform: | did we do 'derive' at some point | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc we did | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform: | 5timez. | [23:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472344 << i'm giving the benefit of "i never spent much time thinking about this". | [23:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:50 asciilifeform: am i thick or what. | [23:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472345 << wanting her to go on cam or to beat you up or to actually learn things / put effort in. that'd be the top three i guess. | [23:57] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-26 02:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 << what in this case is 'very weird' ? | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform: | aaah | [23:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | though in fairness doggedly loyal, intelligent and all around valuable chicks that otherwise never had a chance can be found. like anywhere, i guess. | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, if you're jesus, you can save lay your hands and do it. | [23:59] |
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