Forum logs for 25 Apr 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: sure, you're doing good work. looking forward to your submissions when ready. [00:00]
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aiEVS/?raw=true << sneak peek of walletsnip. (warning, likely intermingled with other patches, not for any use, etc) [00:01]
phf: mircea_popescu: he had one megapatch that i remember being somewhat controversial, it's the one where he reworked the logging facility, but the other two look reasonably small (rm unused functions and add sendrawtransaction rpc). i remember there being some issues with asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum and asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring that required at least two regrinds, which was around the time he was working on his. [00:01]
mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown". [00:01]
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here << actually, i should mention that i /did/ create a trb sendrawtransaction (just this one rpc call) vpatch late last year, but never sent -- really wanted the rest of the gang 'create', 'sign', etc. [00:02]
mircea_popescu: phf, a yeah, there was some of that too, it's coming back to me now. [00:02]
trinque: mod6: yeah makes sense. not much use by itself without. [00:03]
mod6: yup. [00:03]
phf: yeah, it was a combination of factors. his logging facility patch received a lot of criticism, though i now regret voicing mine. it's a bit of a bike shed problem, everyone has their own idea of how to do it "right", but it's not done to this day. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [00:04]
mod6: phf: this is a solid point. I think everyone wants their own way of logging/logging statements. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: goes right back to the problem of the unknown. i CAN shoot down bikeshedding if i know the person. i can't if they're unknown, because then it's legitimate part of dogs sniffing butts getting to know each other. [00:05]
mod6: One vpatch that is looking pretty nice is ben_vulpes's logging sub-string chop chop. [00:05]
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah. [00:06]
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NweRz/?raw=true << polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch reposted from shithub, for posteriority [00:07]
phf: or you know http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages [00:08]
trinque: oh whoops [00:08]
phf: also http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc [00:08]
trinque: I forgot you had the wandering patches too. [00:09]
mod6: thx for posting the links gentlemen. [00:09]
phf: aha, it's either in experimental or in deprecated [00:09]
trinque: long day, little sleep. spent the morning directing movers. [00:10]
phf: !!key polarbeard [00:11]
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/3db7d131fe4fff3ca6bbac3011cc9042929d3682.asc [00:11]
phf: also 2016-01-17 [00:11]
trinque: to digress, one of the guys called the porch a "pollo" and I swear he was fucking with me. [00:11]
trinque: after that, he says his computer didn't work (hey, you're a computer guy, right?) and showed me a picture of a dell laptop docking station, so who knows. maybe he goes out and drinks beer on his chicken [00:14]
douchebag: !drink-beer-on-chicken [00:15]
mircea_popescu: pivapollo [00:15]
trinque: what's that mean? [00:18]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1248...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown DE HE) [00:18]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown LV) [00:18]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1476...3239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL) [00:18]
phf: pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx [00:19]
trinque: ahaha, https://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/pavipollo [00:20]
trinque: I got got [00:21]
mircea_popescu: lmao [00:23]
mircea_popescu: "Odessa is a city in western Texas. Downtown, Jack Ben Rabbit is an 8-foot-tall statue of a jackrabbit. " [00:26]
mircea_popescu: if anything screams "deserted midwest" more than these "tall statue" shenanigans... [00:26]
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?" [00:27]
phf: well it's the world's LARGEST jackrabbit, so ya gotta see it! [00:29]
mircea_popescu: kinda the same mental process that impels doods to save their largest booger. [00:32]
mircea_popescu: "As in many municipalities, some of the largest employers are in the education, government, and healthcare industries." [00:33]
mircea_popescu: right. [00:33]
mircea_popescu: totallynotaponzi.jpg [00:33]
mod6: I went through midland/odessa once, didn't stop. Kept foot on gas. [00:34]
mod6: "This is the birthplace of First Lady Laura Bush!" ... zoooooom [00:35]
mod6: That day I think I set a PR for furthest driven in one single day: OKC->Dallas->El Paso->Tucson [00:37]
trinque: lots of oil out there only real reason to go [00:37]
mod6: yeah, i remember smelling it in the air. [00:38]
diana_coman: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2018#2429830 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them [02:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy . [02:27]
mircea_popescu: is that a pun ? [02:29]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805483 <-- oh, youmeanlike https://imgur.com/a/6d5Atjc ? [04:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:27 mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?" [04:27]
diana_coman: lol, unintended! [04:29]
spyked: the biggest win point is imho the chair they placed there: "please sir, to admire this fine fork" [04:33]
mod6: Mornin' TMSR~ [09:05]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403 [10:21]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [10:21]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805475 << lol somehow nobody but me noticed the bug. i fixed it this morning, all that remains is to clean the crapola from the db, will do this after backup [11:26]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:18 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown LV) [11:26]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805494 << i can't picture who ( other than mircea_popescu in his described possible use case ) would need more than 1 ( or perhaps 2, 1 as a spare ) [11:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2018#2429830 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them [11:27]
asciilifeform: original q was 'is this worth doing at all' [11:27]
asciilifeform: ( possibly also it is better to have folx purchase the raw material locally, and flash the rom themselves ? ) [11:28]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805426 << not quite how i remember it. d00d was demonstrably inadherent to the concept of vpatch hygiene , persisted with creation of shithub-style megaturds [11:30]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit [11:30]
asciilifeform: he didn't seem to grasp the notion that the patches are meant to be read and understood. [11:31]
asciilifeform: and gotta narrowly focus on subject, rather than 'hey look i turned 17 knobs at once' [11:31]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805447 << exactly that. iirc he said nothing at all re own biography, on top of it all. [11:32]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown". [11:32]
asciilifeform: !#born polarbeard [11:33]
a111: 2016-01-22 <polarbeard> hi [11:33]
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-22#1381744 [11:33]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805414 << mezzano seems -- since i last looked -- to be almost enuff to make an actual workstation os out of , if anybody bothered to get hold of a e.g. apu1 with sage snake and tailor it properly to the iron [11:41]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:25 phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings. [11:41]
asciilifeform: i could be wrong about this, did not dig in deeply [11:41]
asciilifeform: ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... ) [11:41]
asciilifeform: ( lives -- yes -- on shithub https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron ) [11:42]
asciilifeform: spoiler: rtl8168 nic, possibly the vmware version thereof and intel's sound card. [11:43]
asciilifeform: ( last thread iirc re subj : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544064 << see also. ) [11:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc. [11:43]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE9CAAEB56006891661FBC0C2AEC1BCC7580E89A6EE8AA23C0ED6DA820D46C2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '160.80.105.2 (ssh-rsa key from 160.80.105.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown IT RM 62) [13:01]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/282A739B467BDDEDDAE8B492C5867C45724562DAE71039CB18971F5CB821090D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.184.6.111 (ssh-rsa key from 130.184.6.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US AR) [13:01]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/racism-in-pigeons/ << Bingo Blog - Racism In Pigeons [13:08]
BingoBoingo: !!Up trinax [13:22]
deedbot: trinax voiced for 30 minutes. [13:22]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/remedial-skills-camera-walk-rtfm-edition/ << Bingo Blog - Remedial Skills: Camera Walk RTFM Edition [14:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure it's worth doing at all. you need >1 per agent, what. [14:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma put it in the queue then. ( machine per se, came in last night ) [14:05]
asciilifeform: physically impressive thing, almost small enuff to conceal under clothing [14:07]
mircea_popescu: lol ro embassy. [14:07]
asciilifeform: ( about 1cm thick ) [14:07]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this guy. "lawn colored bird" "rock colored bird". [14:09]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street. [14:09]
phf: asciilifeform: i would be pleasantly surprised if the machine can have a blobless video/wifi [14:09]
mircea_popescu: yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies. [14:09]
asciilifeform: phf: whole spark of asciilifeform's interest in the '101' was that it has marvell wifi chip (on usb) and apparently nonaccelerated 2d worx with standard kernel [14:11]
asciilifeform: unlike the chromenintendo i experimented on in 2013 [14:11]
* BingoBoingo still finding new embassies. [14:11]
asciilifeform: phf: machine seems to be something quite like the pizarro rockchip board but with screen,kbd,battery [14:12]
mod6: Nice pics BingoBoingo, funny comments too [14:14]
BingoBoingo: mod6: ty [14:14]
BingoBoingo: Still need a lot more practice [14:14]
phf: asciilifeform: aha, i figured as much, idle curiosity about where the hardware boundaries lie. we'll find out soon enough! [14:17]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/joes-enthusiasm/ << Trilema - Joe's enthusiasm [14:32]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/german-jews-warned-to-wear-alternate-headgear-to-avoid-violence/ << Qntra - German Jews Warned To Wear Alternate Headgear To Avoid Violence [15:35]
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaa [15:37]
ben_vulpes: who could have predicted!!1 [15:37]
mircea_popescu: such a good thing five successive generations of nulands did in germany. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: it's always a good idea to listen to "the experts". [15:38]
BingoBoingo: 4srs [15:39]
mircea_popescu: in other random, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJlvynifMc [15:59]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805502 <-- o hey, tyvm! [16:28]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 14:21 asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403 [16:28]
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 6 hours and 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403 [16:28]
asciilifeform: spyked: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19407 [16:39]
mircea_popescu: but in other good news, trilema discovered the fastest reader alive : http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-125468 [16:43]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1008...7769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown DE HE) [17:30]
mircea_popescu: hey phf can i get a count of words / day in my loglines ? [17:41]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1349...8697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL) [17:48]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...9433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown LV) [17:57]
mod6: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4JgmI/?raw=true [18:09]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [18:13]
trinque: ugh, shame on me. that was running in a tmux [18:15]
trinque: massive uptime has its upsides and down [18:15]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC58288ECBC1BDAD86A1D99D09C2B85517E02A72390F6CFB378AF87AAB6840F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1469...5969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '134.169.9.51 (ssh-rsa key from 134.169.9.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown DE NI) [18:16]
danielpbarron: !!up beeteecee [18:33]
deedbot: beeteecee voiced for 30 minutes. [18:33]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D01732429D2018C5281E02A054FF943984DC18BC2575AB67B16151BDE5C3FCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...3997 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.2.67.117 (ssh-rsa key from 208.2.67.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US TX) [18:34]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-519925.txt [19:15]
ben_vulpes: whoa [19:26]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/what-have-i-been-doing/ << Trilema - What have I been doing ? [19:46]
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2326 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Delousing the Asus C101PA. [20:05]
mircea_popescu: !!pay danielpbarron 0.0077 [20:22]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A0AM0/?raw=true [20:22]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in technical progresses, https://archive.li/kA5TT >> spoof GPS, GSM, with... 5bux of usb to vga adapter [21:13]
mircea_popescu: heh [21:27]
mircea_popescu: is that the last of em ? [22:58]
mircea_popescu: !!up shurdeek [22:58]
deedbot: shurdeek voiced for 30 minutes. [22:58]
mircea_popescu: got a rsa key shurdeek ? [22:58]
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-25#343759 << just one tiny step up from excel [23:20]
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-25 01:18 mircea_popescu: a db is a good tool for pre-given solutions for some kinds of problems. it is not a tool for implementing arbitrary expressivity. [23:20]
trinque: ben_vulpes: you should hear my oil buddy talk about excel sometime [23:22]
ben_vulpes: that said the rigorish typing of postgres has been a boon in this one circumstance where the tower of complexititus threatens to overwhelm me at every step [23:22]
trinque: dunno if it'll make you laugh or cry, but either's good drinking [23:22]
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know i tell folks i squirt grease on the largest $problem-domain spreadsheet they could possibly imagine when they ask what i do i can laugh and cry about it allll day [23:24]
ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu #templeos-irc is a wall of noise, terry is out to lunch [23:25]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i dun agree excel is clown car. the db stuff... not really. [23:26]
ben_vulpes: sure, john deere with anal impaler in operator seat [23:27]
ben_vulpes: when will it fire will it fire today let's find out [23:27]
ben_vulpes: i exaggerate, db constraints and stored procedures and transactionality and permissions are all very nice things. [23:28]
mircea_popescu: unlike vbasic and moreover, the very fucking NOTION of "here is a list of cells, grapghically displayed" [23:28]
mircea_popescu: worst possible assumptions made for this gui-centric non-db system. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: that it's popular with the sort of meat puppets populating the pantsuit vatfarms is unsurprising -- it's pretty much engineered to cater to their batshit insane worldview. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: there's a very deep link between "putin doesn't understand how the world works notwithstanding which he stole our election" and "cell (5,7) on your screen". [23:30]
ben_vulpes: links to the ml advocates, their jupyter notebooks, and the troubles they have "getting from research to production" too i'd hazard [23:31]
mircea_popescu: certainly links to "aaaand... it's gone", http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-171.0-173.563 etc [23:32]
ben_vulpes: "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims [23:36]
* trinque sees untested deliverables on two legs every day [23:37]
ben_vulpes: breathing! passes self test [23:38]
ben_vulpes: hey, one of my deliverables failed the external tests once [23:38]
trinque: re: db, I'm reserving a lul now for when asciilifeform discovers that postgresql does, in fact, tell you what an operation will cost before you run it. [23:41]
trinque: mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost. [23:44]
trinque: goodnight, many heads of the tit hydra [23:47]
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