Forum logs for 25 Apr 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: oh ben_vulpes, just noticed something. [00:03]
mod6: seems that wotpaste stripped out my "<STDIN>" statements. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: o.O [00:04]
mod6: here it is in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/2VFJPX8.txt [00:05]
mod6: maybe it thought it was an HTML thing [00:06]
ben_vulpes: waaat [00:09]
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/?raw=true [00:11]
ben_vulpes: thanks mod6 i'll get on that [00:11]
mod6: ahh, ok np. [00:17]
mod6: i see now, it's in the raw paste, just not the non-raw. [00:18]
mod6: fwiw, i really like wotpaste tho. works great [00:18]
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex accepts orders but won't execute them. some are waiting over 12 hours [08:03]
asciilifeform: $s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F [08:25]
deedbot: $s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F is not a command. [08:25]
asciilifeform: hm [08:25]
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F466A8D55F9E9363CFC075135A048764B50CA0BAC297EC65670DEE47F06F9752 << nein nein nein nein nein!!111111 [08:31]
shinohai: LOL Hitler [08:33]
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co [08:36]
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1C88CD7B5BC8A2338AA2D75C851D5D66E55F225D5C154B651D0861588577DA1 << lol srsly? [08:45]
punkman: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co << lol nice [09:05]
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << moar lulz [10:58]
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64 http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9 [10:59]
asciilifeform: C308E http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << '1 is not prime !' [10:59]
asciilifeform: oh ffs [10:59]
* asciilifeform needs new irctron [11:00]
asciilifeform: i want to know, in what sewer was born the rat who thought it was acceptable to break lines on nonwhitespace characters. [11:01]
shinohai: later tell mod6 nice work [11:43]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform irc message has fixed max length [11:43]
mircea_popescu: due to... your beloved fucking packet size. [11:43]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everyone knows this. [11:44]
asciilifeform: CLIENT however does not HAVE to be retarded. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: that's why your thing got cut [11:44]
asciilifeform: can split on whitechar. [11:44]
asciilifeform: COULD. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: oh oh. [11:44]
asciilifeform: aha. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: hehehehe. i didn't see that one coming. [11:44]
asciilifeform: and incidentally what's packet size to do with irc, it runs on tcp. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: i dun recall teh specifix. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: jurov sorry bout that. [11:58]
jurov: well..recently even eulora server works better than mpex [12:10]
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0MW0BQJ.txt [12:12]
mircea_popescu: wait, eulora is some sort of low mark of server working or something ? [12:13]
mircea_popescu: $up deedbot- [12:13]
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes. [12:13]
phf: ah the crafty double dis [12:14]
mircea_popescu: someone came from his long weekend all irritated. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: and in other "let's see who we can piss off today" news, http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117117 [12:18]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i think i'm coming to an actually correct definition of trolling. trolling is the act of providing needed context separated from the message, in a place where the naive reader (who most needs it) is least likely to find or recognize it. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: it's a deliberately anti-educational stance. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: education being obviously the exact opposite of trolling. [12:20]
jurov: yes eulora server was kinda low mark. then it improved [12:28]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker [12:31]
mircea_popescu: so i'm, holding a one pound bag of raisins, "industria argentina" of course, [12:31]
mircea_popescu: when it decides to fucking split at the seam and now i have raisined kitchen floor / [12:31]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck saves on the fucking bags omfg. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: this country is too fucking cheap to exist, yet if you talk to the inhabitants you'd think they all hail from the fucking oceanside beaches of southern california. [12:32]
asciilifeform: betcha that bag was carefully calibrated to split. [12:33]
asciilifeform: over here in the land of mcphreeeedom we have plastic bagz where you put ONE potato and it sags through... [12:33]
mircea_popescu: like the soviet ones, what were they called [12:34]
mircea_popescu: the maybekushka [12:34]
asciilifeform: whatchatalking about, those didn't split [12:34]
asciilifeform: they were cloth [12:34]
mircea_popescu: you said sagged! [12:34]
asciilifeform: авоська [12:34]
mircea_popescu: avosjka aha [12:34]
phf: i cary avoska to stores.. [12:35]
asciilifeform: i had one in usa and until recently carried [12:35]
mircea_popescu: phf i have shopping slaves. SO THERE! [12:35]
asciilifeform: lel [12:36]
phf: make them cary avoskas to stores [12:36]
mircea_popescu: lolwhy. [12:36]
phf: чтоб жизнь мёдом не казалась [12:36]
asciilifeform: ^ [12:36]
mircea_popescu: noa lasa. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: [transylvanian "noa lasa" is this universal thing, like forget about it. not exactly same meaning, but anyway.] [12:38]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how do you say it in english ? [12:38]
jurov: never mind? [12:39]
mircea_popescu: mebbe. it's very metaphysically flat tho, like the world's all flat. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: all the english versions are much too spirited, drop it, leave it, straight whiskey to its very mellow cider quality. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. [12:41]
mircea_popescu: "i ain't buyin' it" i guess, here. [12:42]
trinque: back in a moment with the case-sensitivity fix [13:13]
trinque: $gettrust aPoCalyptIC [13:14]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. [13:14]
trinque: $rated BEN_vulPES [13:14]
mircea_popescu: a cool. [13:14]
deedbot: trinque rated BEN_vulPES 3 at 3623669040 << friend, gentleman, warrior [13:14]
mircea_popescu: $gettrust ben-vulpes [13:16]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: scam [13:16]
trinque: lol, it apparently doesn't do capital underscore! [13:17]
mircea_popescu: :D [13:18]
mircea_popescu: juuuus messin witcha. [13:18]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. <- not as directly, no. Possibly something like "it might work," lol [13:30]
diana_coman: otherwise maybe "let it be" but it's still stronger [13:32]
mircea_popescu: things the us lacks to survive the coming collapse : item #7, a workable language. [13:33]
deedbot: [Trilema] 91.200.12.73 - An ode to a tireless bot. - http://trilema.com/2016/912001273-an-ode-to-a-tireless-bot/ [14:54]
* asciilifeform thought about wot-signed-only as a spam pill [15:01]
ben_vulpes: p. much the only sane design [15:07]
ben_vulpes: http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii [15:17]
ben_vulpes: "this generation’s transformational companies (AirBNB, Slack, Snapchat, Uber, etc)" << muahaha [15:17]
ben_vulpes: > slack [15:18]
ben_vulpes: > slack [15:18]
ben_vulpes: > slack [15:18]
ben_vulpes: > Unicorn basket [15:18]
ben_vulpes: oh god the lulz don't stop [15:18]
trinque: WHY THE UNICORN FINANCING MARKET JUST BECAME DANGEROUS…FOR ALL INVOLVED << sorry, cannot go on [15:19]
trinque: lol [15:19]
trinque: http://pbfcomics.com/103/ [15:19]
pete_dushenski: greetings and salutions! [15:20]
trinque: good afternoon [15:20]
ben_vulpes: ey [15:20]
ben_vulpes: "people began to imagine a world where...profits could come back in vogue" [15:21]
ben_vulpes: omfg lolztrove [15:21]
shinohai: o/ pete_dushenski [15:21]
pete_dushenski: sorry to be away so much of late, been swamped this spring. not that i mind, just not as much forum time atm. [15:22]
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2016#2083482 << i would've done ~something~ that's for damn sure [15:24]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao. [15:24]
pete_dushenski: strangest thing, znort's follow-through [15:24]
pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ? [15:25]
ben_vulpes: perhaps he purchased it as a curio [15:25]
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more [15:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 22:10 shinohai: later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/ [15:26]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't think anyone's using kelvin versioning on trb [15:27]
ben_vulpes: that's mod6's v, iirc [15:27]
pete_dushenski: the k is the build script [15:29]
ben_vulpes: mhm [15:30]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: just for you http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/news/a28953/toyota-land-cruiser-6x6/ [15:31]
ben_vulpes: hah that's a silly twuk [15:32]
pete_dushenski: for a silly boy [15:32]
mircea_popescu: o look, a pete. how's canada! [15:34]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes notice that the "whatsap" bullshit that laundered 2bn of facebook's "money" is not on the list. somehow. [15:34]
mircea_popescu: apparently they're only transformational before someone buys them./ [15:34]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in my little refuge within a bubble within a refuge, we're just booming despite the oil glut [15:35]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know the names carry the link. [15:36]
pete_dushenski: totally [15:36]
pete_dushenski: but to go back to the most recent logs, there's no direct link at the top of the page [15:37]
pete_dushenski: it's not the end of the world either way [15:37]
mircea_popescu: oh [15:37]
pete_dushenski: sort of like how kako had permalinks at the top to wiki, stats, logs, search, etc. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform my current antispam arrangements work splendidly. i get maybe 2-3 items a day i have to look at, which is a-ok. 99.97% ish i never see. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: it still loads the server, but w/e. [15:39]
pete_dushenski: https://t.co/REyYaQFpVG << sort of how i imagine stan would react if fired without sufficient cause. except with crays or whatever he twerks on. [15:39]
pete_dushenski: ^n.b. twitter link [15:40]
asciilifeform: lelzy [15:41]
pete_dushenski: thought you'd enjoy that [15:41]
asciilifeform: he oughta have done the tail, not the head [15:41]
asciilifeform: head - can be repaired. [15:41]
pete_dushenski: o ? [15:42]
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457241 << just like in ghana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa-_Smpqfuw [15:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 03:22 ben_vulpes: bamboocycleta! [15:43]
pete_dushenski: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nKwu2REIL._SX522_.jpg << anyone remember these as a kid ? hilariously entertaining rube goldberg-style marble toy [15:48]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i saw this [15:48]
asciilifeform: but not as kid, but some time recently in a shop window somewhere. [15:48]
pete_dushenski: it had no circuits to fiddle with, maybe parents didn't think you'd bite [15:49]
asciilifeform: as a kid i just had a big bottle of ball bearings [15:49]
asciilifeform: from phactory [15:49]
asciilifeform: it was glorious [15:49]
mircea_popescu: how many did oyu eat ? [15:50]
asciilifeform: 0 afaik [15:50]
asciilifeform: they were a big large [15:50]
mircea_popescu: a [15:50]
asciilifeform: 2cm across or so. [15:50]
asciilifeform: stainless. [15:50]
pete_dushenski: like chinese hand exercise balls [15:50]
mircea_popescu: o that's pretty good. how many skulls did you crush with your gas-mask based slingshot ? [15:50]
pete_dushenski: minus the chimes [15:50]
mircea_popescu: and pete_dushenski has a point : how many girlies did you stuff with pairs of 'em and then made do squats ? [15:51]
* pete_dushenski just bought first pair of chinaballs. still getting used to jingles [15:51]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the first time i saw the chinese ballz, i thought that this is what they were sold for ! [15:52]
mircea_popescu: it is. [15:52]
* pete_dushenski doesn't understand how anything can be shipped from china for $2.22 ~all-in~ [15:52]
mircea_popescu: ud ben wa balls [15:52]
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ben+Wa+Balls | Shiny cold balls put in your Va jay jay to tighten pussy muscles so you can squeeze ... Excuse me ma'am, I think those are your Ben Wa Balls rolling towards the ... [15:52]
pete_dushenski: ha! [15:52]
pete_dushenski: ben wa's parents must be mega-proud [15:52]
pete_dushenski: mr. wa's tombstone had better include "va jay jay" [15:53]
deedbot: [Trilema] Today on Trilema : A history of the Polar Crabs A Discussion of Very Deep Globules A General Theory of the Corn Cobb as well as an Autobiography of Herzog Balthasar Hedgehog by Mr. Burt Mugg. - http://trilema.com/2016/today-on-trilema-a-history-of-the-polar-crabs-a-discussion-of-very-deep-globules-a-general-theory-of-the-corn-cobb-as-well-as-an-autobiography-of-herzog-balthasar-hedgehog-by-mr-burt-mugg/ [15:53]
pete_dushenski: actually, come to think of it, i think girl had these ballz, or similar, during pregnancy. big fan. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: yep, great for wiminz. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: girls that don't play with the balls when young piss their pants when old. [15:55]
pete_dushenski: she can probably attribute much of this training to no-tear v-pipe birth [15:55]
mircea_popescu: tears aren't THAT common. especially in girls that actually look like you'd want to fuck 'em. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to whatever boyish bs they put on ftv these days. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i should prolly write up birth. anyone seen it ? [15:57]
pete_dushenski: mya well those pencilish ones have kidz too afaik. if not by me. [15:57]
mircea_popescu: older nicole kidman [15:57]
pete_dushenski: haven't seen it, no [15:57]
pete_dushenski: http://priceonomics.com/why-thieves-steal-soap/ << because americans are soooo poor they can barely afford rain buckets to bathe in. [15:59]
asciilifeform: the tide thing aha [16:00]
pete_dushenski: how do stores like walgreens combat this ? by LOCKING DOWN SOAP like you would cigarettes or razor blades, apparently. [16:00]
asciilifeform: has ~nothing to do with soap being dear. [16:00]
asciilifeform: 'trading sardine'. [16:01]
pete_dushenski: 'As a Walgreens cashier explains, “It’s easy to sell on the street. Everyone uses soap.”' [16:01]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457430 <<< dunno pete_dushenski, I was just using funkenstein's patch [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 19:26 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more [16:05]
shinohai: Works swell tho [16:06]
pete_dushenski: aha. that. ya, i've been meaning to try it. [16:06]
pete_dushenski: anyone here have experience physical rolling dice a lot ? wondering how many times you rolled a set of 5 before you have sufficient confidence in their fairness. obviously, there's no absolute answer to this inquest, just curious if anyone has bothered or if 'casino dice' are considered sufficient precaution. [16:06]
asciilifeform: i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice [16:08]
asciilifeform: i can see generating, e.g., bitcoin private key (though do you have the stomach for the debiasing? what if you need 1,000 rolls?) [16:08]
asciilifeform: but how about the k-value in sigs ? [16:08]
asciilifeform: will also roll dice for that ? [16:08]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for the truly daft, what do you mean by 'debiasing' ? [16:10]
* jurov is curious, too [16:10]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debias [16:11]
danielpbarron: three dice rolls of any biased dice == 1 provably unbiased roll [16:11]
danielpbarron: not really three though, and it could be infinity [16:11]
asciilifeform: ^ [16:11]
asciilifeform: there is NOT a bound. [16:12]
danielpbarron: if you roll doubles you have to roll again [16:12]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski look into l'hospital [16:13]
danielpbarron: and you probably have to roll the same die 3 times as opposed to rolling 3 dice once, unless there's something i'm missing in all this [16:13]
mircea_popescu: there's a mathematical solution to "what is the probability of x specific configuration come out of y random process of given probabilities" [16:13]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: will do. [16:13]
asciilifeform: the boojum is that no mathematical process can create 'additional' entropy. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: of course not. [16:14]
jurov: is it even physically possible to make biased dice with, 50% less entropy output? [16:14]
jurov: (that can't be detected by cursory inspection) [16:15]
asciilifeform: jurov: ask the opposite question. [16:15]
asciilifeform: (how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.) [16:15]
mircea_popescu: coupla bits ? [16:16]
asciilifeform: that's the notion [16:16]
asciilifeform: but do we know ? [16:16]
mircea_popescu: well yes. [16:17]
asciilifeform: the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer... [16:17]
jurov: ideally its log2(6) = 2.58 bits [16:17]
asciilifeform: it would be quite another thing if they used a pencil, but no. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: it's unclear to me exactly how not electronic they are. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: dice roll off a table, that's electrons at work. [16:17]
jurov: say you fudge the throws badly and in the end get only 2 bits per throw [16:17]
* asciilifeform boots up bricklispmachine and hands to mircea_popescu [16:17]
jurov: that's still pretty strong key after 100 throws [16:18]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quest for "not electronic" interaction is a little lulzy to me thatsall [16:18]
asciilifeform: jurov: try to understand what i meant [16:18]
jurov: i just explained how i understood it? [16:18]
asciilifeform: jurov: we do not know much much information re future throws is actually, in fact, present in a dice outcome. [16:18]
asciilifeform: it could easily be >0. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: if the dice is biased. [16:19]
asciilifeform: the 'it has n bits' ~presupposes~ the conclusion. [16:19]
asciilifeform: all physical dice are biased. [16:19]
mircea_popescu: maybe. [16:19]
jurov: and i am asking you how much bias do you usually estimate and why? [16:20]
jurov: by what physical process? [16:20]
jurov: if it's like 20% as i wrote above, then it's still fine, no? [16:20]
asciilifeform: by throwing, clearly [16:20]
asciilifeform: dice also, incidentally, wear. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: but they do not wear in a predictible fashion [16:21]
mircea_popescu: which is why i said maybe. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: still, one really dedicated could create glass dice and sharpen the edge by the same process used to make the few-hundre-atom thick blades they use to cut microscope samples with [16:21]
mircea_popescu: and then throw it on a magnetic field [16:21]
jurov: you're welcome to make a specifically worn dice that produces only ~2 bits of entropy. i suspect that would be very hard. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: jurov i'll make it with 4 faces. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: "worn" [16:22]
asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to conduct 'accelerated aging' experiment on dice. [16:22]
jurov: oh i forgot to specify "it should be non-obvious" [16:22]
mircea_popescu: jurov "dwim" ? [16:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not entirely a virgin field. there is even a special tumbler for this process. [16:23]
phf: it came up in the logs before [16:23]
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if it were virgin [16:23]
asciilifeform: phf: link? [16:23]
phf: actually, i'm misremembering. it's someone built a tumbler to test dice bias, your conclusion was that he's testing errors in his OCR [16:24]
asciilifeform: ah i recall. [16:24]
jurov: well, if someone generates their keys with pre-worn dice and tumbler supplied by enemy and strictly following instructions on the tumbler... [16:25]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-01#1334775 [16:25]
a111: Logged on 2015-12-01 19:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.markfickett.com/stuff/artPage.php?id=389 << Six sides good, more sides bad [16:25]
asciilifeform: other interesting question, imho, re any rng, is - how much does enemy learn if he captures it [16:26]
asciilifeform: is it safe to discard a set of dice ? [16:27]
asciilifeform: can dr evil pick it up and learn a few bits of yer key [16:27]
asciilifeform: and i suppose everyone recalls the roulette laser. [16:28]
asciilifeform: (and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe) [16:28]
mircea_popescu: the problem of discards is not well solved to date. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: which is why people jsut tend to burn everything. [16:32]
asciilifeform: it is only a problem in ridiculously narrow trickle sort of rng. [16:32]
asciilifeform: like dice, coin, roulette. [16:33]
asciilifeform: reason being that these cannot be health-tested with any regularity. [16:35]
asciilifeform: enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear. [16:35]
phf: strategic superiority through judicial application of wood chipper [16:36]
asciilifeform: phf always carries his wood chipper ? [16:38]
asciilifeform: anyway imho any rng which has measurable wear during normal operating life, is defective design. [16:40]
mircea_popescu: phf judicious. [16:41]
phf: that's second time [16:41]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:42]
phf: a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over the place, low tech solution right in the middle of high tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations turn to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed the tendency though, friend told me that he's generating work passwords with dicewear [16:45]
phf: i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations [16:45]
mircea_popescu: i do not agree with this theory. [16:45]
mircea_popescu: rolling dice is a better source for "please enter your password" than... what, dreaming one up ? [16:46]
mircea_popescu: people suck at headrng [16:46]
phf: dd if=/dev/random|LANG=C tr -dc '_A-Z-a-z-0-9'|fold -w10|head -n5 [16:47]
asciilifeform: Apr 25 16:45:47 <phf>i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations << exactly that. [16:47]
jurov: phf are you 100% sure you did it right? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: it... doesn't work. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: 0+7 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 13.2392 s, 0.0 kB/s [16:54]
phf: perhaps reading from /dev/urandom will fix it on linux [16:58]
mircea_popescu: but you see his point. [16:59]
phf: i do, but he doesn't see mine [16:59]
mircea_popescu: well that's his problem. [16:59]
phf: i make my tools myself, so script above works on my system, i have sufficient idea of its operation to put it to live munition test. [17:02]
phf: but if the question is about other people, then there's a trust slice that is manifest on the system. the kind of person who trusts his os x, should also trust the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able to apply same criteria to selecting a password generator/manager [17:04]
asciilifeform: it is not that i wish to discourage folks from throwing dice, or dartboard, etc. but that they ought to be aware of the limitations. [17:04]
asciilifeform: (one of which, that has not so far been stated here, is that anyone with optical view of the room has your bits.) [17:05]
asciilifeform: and - quite possibly - anyone with an audio track of the room has also some. [17:05]
mircea_popescu: phf fancy that - they also make their tools themselves. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: moreover, i'd say 99% of the people making passwords by throwing dice don't have dd or | on the system, because they're stuck on winblowz. [17:09]
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta what i was reacting against - the view that dice solve an otherwise rotten environ [17:12]
phf: ^ [17:12]
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with man carrying his water skin in plagued venice. "but where does the water in it come from" [17:12]
mircea_popescu: let him be. [17:12]
phf: right, we're just approaching this from different direction [17:12]
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they got 2fa. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: 2fa, loofah & woofer. [17:13]
phf: from perspective of general education, it's better hygiene where there wasn't any before. i'm more questioning people who use diceware because they don't trust own /dev/random [17:14]
mircea_popescu: well, own /dev/random si blocking, as you can see [17:14]
mircea_popescu: and i can't blame the man who doesn't trust /urandom [17:14]
mircea_popescu: iirc that was in the logs. [17:14]
mircea_popescu: sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: discussion rapidly becomes a "why would i own a sliderule, i have my computor". well, some people own a slide rule. [17:17]
asciilifeform: i see dice as a sort of bayonet [17:18]
asciilifeform: a last resort. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour. [17:18]
asciilifeform: aha. [17:18]
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have issue with people using slide rule. i'm reacting to people who are buying slide rules on ebay, because it's the cool retro computational device [17:19]
mircea_popescu: hey, you buy sluts in e-bar because they're the juicy, pendulous titted fucktoys. [17:19]
mircea_popescu: aesthetics is permitted, even in geekdom. [17:19]
phf: hah, well, i'm saying diceware is ~soo~ last year [17:20]
mircea_popescu: o ? i'm slow, what's in ? [17:21]
asciilifeform: pissin on a set of electrical contacts! [17:21]
asciilifeform: is in [17:21]
asciilifeform: i hear itsthel4t3st [17:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, for the male slave boi this is actually true ? [17:22]
asciilifeform: waiwut [17:22]
mircea_popescu: once mistress gets tired of taking off the chastity device now and again, there's this special electrified insert, stimulates teh prostate, instaorgasm and move on. [17:22]
asciilifeform: ah like for bulls. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: originally aha. [17:23]
asciilifeform: i also recall this was used on corpses [17:23]
asciilifeform: (fresh ones) [17:23]
shinohai: Get cucked by a product originally designed for bulls. Neato. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: smaller, obviously, and for that matter can be designed for urethral insertion. [17:23]
asciilifeform: shinohai: get cucked by a dead bloke! [17:23]
shinohai: >.< [17:23]
mircea_popescu: hey, film i just reviewed is exactly that! [17:24]
asciilifeform: iirc you need an anal cathode tho. [17:25]
asciilifeform: (think, where is prostate) [17:26]
mircea_popescu: works as a single spire. prolly closes with itself. [17:26]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the hell do you get current through prostate that way [17:27]
mircea_popescu: i never looked into the matter that deeply! [17:27]
asciilifeform: link to item ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu: uh not everything's on the internets [17:28]
asciilifeform: custom, i take it [17:28]
asciilifeform: i had similar for gurlz [17:28]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha nm [17:29]
mircea_popescu: http://www.amazon.com/Electrical-Urethral-Prostate-Masturbation-Toys185mm/dp/B019DLV1K4 [17:29]
mircea_popescu: it self-closes, obviously. [17:29]
mircea_popescu: 40 bux. [17:30]
asciilifeform: the downer re electrical toys is nearly always contact burn [17:30]
asciilifeform: (if there is ~any~ dc component, you also get, electrolytically, hcl at the interface, nasty) [17:30]
* asciilifeform speaks from experience [17:31]
mircea_popescu: i don't think tissue damage is a drawback for the practitioners. [17:32]
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms, then your genitals fall off" [17:33]
asciilifeform: l0l! [17:33]
asciilifeform: also iirc the sensation is distinctly unorgasmic, yer balls just empty & thatsit [17:33]
mircea_popescu: this WAS the whole point. [17:34]
asciilifeform: a more interesting imho variant of this experiment is to have the device ~block~ the signal to balls, during normal fucktion [17:35]
asciilifeform: (waveform left as exercise for the reader) [17:35]
mircea_popescu: cheaper for her to get a dildo than to turn you into one. [17:35]
mircea_popescu: and in similar news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/eb0f7d6d82b1dfde430f1ecb5529297a/tumblr_o1kyajm8OC1s5zureo2_400.gif [17:40]
deedbot: [Qntra] US Appeals Court Takes Time To Rule On Sportsball Case - http://qntra.net/2016/04/us-appeals-court-takes-time-to-rule-on-sportsball-case/ [18:09]
shinohai: asciilifeform: I can sub,it public key to phuctor or is down? [18:22]
shinohai: *submit [18:22]
pete_dushenski: fueled by that killer dice debate, i'm off to the races gents. bon soir a tous! [18:23]
asciilifeform: shinohai: not only up but as far as i can tell, up without any interruptions [18:40]
shinohai: Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt [18:48]
BingoBoingo: ud spiff [19:25]
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spiff | Proper Noun: Part of the name of Spaceman Spiff one of the many alter-egos of ... -Spiff-tastic (Adjective and interjection, combination of words spiff and fantastic [19:25]
BingoBoingo: wtf [19:25]
BingoBoingo: not even wrong [19:25]
* shinohai forgot to wish BingoBoingo a happy Confederate Memorial Day. [20:35]
BingoBoingo: ty for remembering shinohai [20:35]
shinohai: Almost made a Qntra anecdote of it. [20:37]
BingoBoingo: lol, not quite news [20:52]
shinohai: I thought it was hilarious that half of Alabama's infrastructure was shut down today. State holiday, who knew. [20:53]
BingoBoingo: Yeah [20:54]
BingoBoingo: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/15/the-boy-scouts-of-america-then-and-now-a-comparison-of-the-1911-and-modern-handbooks-and-merit-badges/ [20:57]
mircea_popescu: hey, at least the girl scouts get oral sex badges. progrss! [22:22]
mircea_popescu: Known Moduli: 1207470 <<< soooo is it done loading 'em asciilifeform ? [22:25]
BingoBoingo: $b 3 [22:25]
deedbot: $b 3 is not a command. [22:25]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~500k moar to go. [22:34]
asciilifeform: as of now. [22:34]
asciilifeform: keys, that is [22:34]
asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it. [22:37]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 22:48 shinohai: Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt [22:37]
asciilifeform: i've been actually piling these up in a special archive for when i have new parser. [22:38]
asciilifeform: it is <1% of moduli thus far [22:38]
asciilifeform: ''ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0160' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128)' [22:39]
asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/qnb.zip << lulzy, supposedly quatar national bank [22:44]
asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/25/breaking_qatar_bank_hack << see also. [22:44]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ? [22:44]
mircea_popescu: oh so more like 1.7mn ? [22:46]
mircea_popescu: nb. [22:46]
mircea_popescu: definitely qntra. [22:48]
asciilifeform: 'Public Exponent 44942328371557897693232629769725618340449424473557664318357520289433168951375240783177119330601884005280028469967848339414697442203604155623211857659868531094441973356216371319075554900311523529863270738021251442209537670585615720368478277635206809290837627671146574559986811484619929076208839082406056034307 is NOT PRIME !' << i'd like to pin down JUST ONE of these schmucks and connect him to the mains & find out what [22:50]
asciilifeform: he used for a pgptron [22:50]
mircea_popescu: for srs. [22:50]
mircea_popescu: this must be some sort of an overflow. [22:50]
asciilifeform: THAT SPECIFIC exponent recurs [22:50]
asciilifeform: see for yerself [22:51]
mircea_popescu: not necessarily impossible. [22:51]
asciilifeform: 4 of'em at least. [22:51]
mircea_popescu: maybe it's you know, a chunk of code. [22:51]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [22:51]
asciilifeform: 0x4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003. [22:52]
asciilifeform: btw. [22:52]
mircea_popescu: o is it ? [22:52]
mircea_popescu: hm. [22:52]
asciilifeform: aha. [22:52]
asciilifeform: i've thought about only displaying hex. [22:53]
mircea_popescu: wtf, accidental bignum ? [22:53]
asciilifeform: motherfuckin' decimal's worthless [22:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally, offer it as a site option. [22:53]
mircea_popescu: an on/off switch like tvtropes has would be SPIFFY. [22:53]
asciilifeform: i try to keep thingz simple. but yeah, after i'm satisfied that the rest works [22:53]
asciilifeform: and scales to moar keyz [22:54]
mircea_popescu: yeah. no rush whatever. [22:54]
asciilifeform: (somebody - mircea_popescu ? - suggested dumping ssh in there etc) [22:54]
mircea_popescu: aye [22:54]
asciilifeform: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" [22:55]
deedbot: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command. [22:55]
asciilifeform: 5 [22:55]
asciilifeform: fershame. [22:55]
asciilifeform: 5! [22:56]
asciilifeform: wouldntcha like to know what ~they~ used. [22:58]
asciilifeform: i sure would. [22:59]
asciilifeform: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 0 is not prime" [22:59]
asciilifeform: 0 [22:59]
asciilifeform: ^ one can dreeeeeeeem [22:59]
mircea_popescu: 0 actuallyt crashes and burns tho 1 just carries on meaninglessly. [23:00]
asciilifeform: tru [23:01]
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/e5082be5748a489f937740fd128869a5/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o6_400.gif [23:03]
asciilifeform: wat is happening in there [23:03]
mircea_popescu: or perhaps more on point, http://45.media.tumblr.com/eb38a45e9b3568094df66c8c1de4a130/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o7_500.gif [23:03]
asciilifeform: ah it's one of those. [23:06]
asciilifeform: what's it called [23:06]
mircea_popescu: it's called a sissy! [23:28]
mircea_popescu: and in vaguely related news, https://www.primalhardwere.com/category/ovipositors [23:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is glorious [23:30]
asciilifeform: howdyafindit [23:30]
mircea_popescu: was on teh wishlist. [23:31]
asciilifeform: gonna buy? [23:31]
mircea_popescu: apparently, the eggs can very well be sorbet. [23:31]
mircea_popescu: possibru. [23:32]
asciilifeform: neato [23:32]
deedbot: [Qntra] Massive Qatar National Bank Leak Circulating - http://qntra.net/2016/04/massive-qatar-national-bank-leak-circulating/ [23:44]
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