Forum logs for 22 Sep 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: this fucking country... [01:00]
mircea_popescu: i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet. [01:01]
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=21 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/13/2018 [02:18]
mircea_popescu: !!up nicoleci [02:51]
deedbot: nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes. [02:51]
nicoleci: asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger [02:53]
lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 1 day, 11 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> did not take http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-19-sep-2018#2475921 advice ? dun say nobody warned , when that thing croaks [02:53]
ave1: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible). [07:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 03:05 phf: ave1: i'm getting the following error http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/49Tie/?raw=true when building ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01. i feel like it came up before, but i'm having hard time finding the thread [07:15]
ave1: I've not seen a failure in this stage yet... But, could you check your environment variables? (if you could post these that would help me). [07:16]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "the dumber they are the louder they get", https://image.ibb.co/kRvCNU/nikkadumbass.jpg [11:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852757 << here's a magic trick : if instead of pasting in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227 you instead write <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227>link</a>, the link will be displayed with an anchor other than itself (in this case, "link") [11:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 06:53 nicoleci: asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger [11:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 17:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, in the very success is the seed of failure : in that they weren't all that boring they weren't, after all, true bores. a true bore can drive women to murder, just as well as the http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ can. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: http://bimbo.club/?p=21&cpage=1#comment-13 << chick's got 13 comments in 21 articles, i doubt any blogger ever started with this much attention in the history of this activity. [11:18]
BingoBoingo: It is a testament to the power of coming in with a recommendation [12:31]
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2009/o-plimbare-pe-bega/#comment-240 << yeah, your 21st was at 240 lol. [12:45]
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=22 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/14/2018 [12:45]
mircea_popescu: o wow, look at that. [12:47]
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852743 << Oh jeeze, nice catch PeterL and mircea_popescu. We went over this before, totally forgot it needs have oldest at the top. Will fix. Cheers. [12:48]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-21 21:30 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly. append-at-end style mod6 [12:48]
mircea_popescu: hanbot now i'm re-reading the first month of trilema. it's eerie, what great fucking articles i started with. [13:03]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016) [13:11]
mircea_popescu: the great again is afoot. [13:24]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i'd say eerier in context is their improvement over time, against the general trend of sissification as exemplified in that payroll link, etc [13:38]
mircea_popescu: heh [13:38]
mircea_popescu: and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if... [13:39]
mircea_popescu: madison, wisconsin got substantialy older, and deeply more interesting history to it. [13:39]
hanbot: definitely cheesier, at any rate [13:41]
mircea_popescu: (wisconsin state legislature met in 1838, southern romania... well... maybe 1831, if you believe them, but it is a lie. rather 1858) [13:42]
hanbot: and transylvania? [13:43]
mircea_popescu: bc. [13:43]
hanbot: yeah, i imagine the pressure on the south to fashion identitits is massive [13:44]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852774 << this is pretty lulzy indeed, e.g. who was 'Auriemma, Geno - Special Payment' (2nd place winner after their uni pres) [14:34]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 17:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016) [14:34]
asciilifeform: or hm, ~not~ president, just 'faculty' [14:34]
asciilifeform: ( pres -- 11th ! ) [14:34]
asciilifeform: at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman [14:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ? [14:37]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 05:01 mircea_popescu: i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet. [14:37]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852759 << iirc i had very similar eggog, and it was what ave1 described here [14:37]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 11:15 ave1: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible). [14:37]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852778 << iirc the shoemaker replaced ~90% of what 'history' there was, with hruscheba [14:39]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 17:39 mircea_popescu: and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if... [14:39]
asciilifeform: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype... [14:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ? [14:42]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here [14:44]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 15:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852757 << here's a magic trick : if instead of pasting in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227 you instead write <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227>link</a>, the link will be displayed with an anchor other than itself (in this case, "link") [14:44]
asciilifeform: in other noose re 'new pheatures with 0 new coad', http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723494 worx great with http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 udp. [14:46]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. ) [14:46]
phf: asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it [14:46]
asciilifeform: ( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive ) [14:47]
asciilifeform: phf: you gotta unset the typical gnat includes envir , e.g. here's asciilifeform's from 1 particular box, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pUeES/?raw=true ( already has an ave1 gnat ,prior to that pointed to adacore's thing ) [14:48]
asciilifeform: phf: gcc is pretty dumb, it will suck in anyffing it can see in the PATH, in ~random order [14:49]
phf: hmm, i have the path set, but i don't have either of the ADA_* vars [14:50]
asciilifeform: those gotta point to whatever gnat is in use for current shot [14:50]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [14:56]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the IP_To_String will return a string with null chars (in Ada: Character'Val(0)) at the end for IPs that are shorter than 16 chars (e.g. 98.20.105.41) I'm in 2 minds whether to make it change those to spaces (keeps size same) or otherwise return some len since it's your lib though: what is your take on it? [15:07]
diana_coman: link re the above: http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L289 [15:07]
asciilifeform: really the stringism routines ( which imho yes oughta be in a udp lib, they make it possible to write complete udpism proggy ) oughta be baked in native ada form.. [15:13]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in this one, oughta replace with spaces [15:13]
asciilifeform: i thought i fixed this but evidently not [15:13]
asciilifeform: the one variant that is not an option is returning variably-long strings ( this'd pull in secondarystackism . ) [15:14]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I combed your patch and did not see any fix for this - did I miss anything? (I did not press it because my code was already changed anyway in all sorts of ways I read the patch though) [15:16]
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not sure but i don't think the problem is environment variables. the failing command has an -isystem flag that points to correct musl header tree, and some of the files are being picked up from there, but not all (e.g. errno.h is picked from musl, but sys/types.h from global) [15:16]
diana_coman: and no, certainly not variable-length strings [15:16]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you read correctly, i did not apparently touch that item [15:17]
asciilifeform: phf: you may have to strace and see wherethefuq it got it [15:17]
diana_coman: makes sense, will replace any nulls with spaces [15:17]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you make this fix, i'ma backport , otherwise i'ma get to it in the coming days [15:19]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as always lemme know if you find other sharp edges [15:20]
* asciilifeform brb [15:20]
diana_coman: k, will do [15:23]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wired, radio and satellite [15:38]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance. [15:46]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:35 asciilifeform: at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman [15:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852796 >> ima sigh a sigh of relief. [15:47]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:42 asciilifeform: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype... [15:47]
mircea_popescu: i'd very much like the republic to also take over that other requirement of civilised living. banking it's already doing. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852798 << nah, quotes optional. [15:48]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here [15:48]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852802 << because as trinque pointed out, the imperial code academy view of config files is "optional suggestion". config as it currentrly works will essentially sudo cat /dev/sda1 | grep -A1 "HurrDurrFlag" and whatever comes out of that is the value of hurr. [15:50]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:46 phf: asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it [15:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will add that, since we forked gcc, this is in principle fixable. ( tho it wouldn't help folx struggling to build the thing under heathen gcc -- e.g. phf currently -- i expect at some point we'll be done with 'build on heathen linux' ) [16:49]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852826 << asciilifeform is by no means a subj expert ( will have to defer to, possibly, BingoBoingo ) it is not my understanding that the trainer gets the megabux strictly if team ~wins~. at least, not in marylandistan. [16:52]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 19:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance. [16:52]
asciilifeform: and it is by no means clear that the 'footballism' is a +ev item for the org. moar of a religious function. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: well teams win occasionally. [16:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852831 << optional in 'html 2.0', but iirc e.g. 'lynx' demands the "". [16:56]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 19:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852798 << nah, quotes optional. [16:56]
trinque: no profit in football eh? [16:56]
asciilifeform: trinque: tbh i do not know if profit or not. but they structure the finance in such a way as to make the q ~impossible to answer from outside. which suggests 'not'. [16:56]
asciilifeform: seems to me that it is moar of a 'konsoomer has come to expect!' pheature, than a moneymaker. [16:57]
asciilifeform: ( in this respect it does not really differ from the rest of the 'college racket' tho ) [16:58]
trinque: oil must also be unprofitable, because the wells rarely retain much of what they extract. [16:59]
asciilifeform: lol [16:59]
asciilifeform: trinque: if oil deposit were an artificial item, expensively created by some living third party, you'd have to wonder what it is they smoke [17:01]
asciilifeform: ( and yes, the ~national~ footballism folx do profit . but they are not the payers of the $1+mil uni trainer... ) [17:02]
* trinque cannot deny this [17:02]
trinque: the more successful college teams are themselves getting into the sponsorship/advertising racket [17:05]
trinque: none of which would be sustained absent the printing press supply of average-derp spending money, but this ends up reducing to "merkuh ain't +ev" [17:06]
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece, where 'socialism creates pools of moolah that harvesters show up out of nowhere to harvest'. examples abound, even in the very same uni, e.g. in asciilifeformistan they are demolishing ~entire town and building communal flats for students, and the developers pay ~20% of the actual cost, the rest they somehow pawned off on the state of md ( while developer eating 100% of the rent . somehow this m [17:06]
asciilifeform: akes sense to somebody. ) [17:06]
asciilifeform: ^ interesting detail, in the city hall, some old fart stood up and 'fuck'em, if they cannot make a profit without subsidy, why not we find somebody who will!' but was naturally shouted down and that was that [17:07]
asciilifeform: other interesting detail -- the demolitions are of old-fashioned local biz, some of which sold, others ended up with 'mysterious fires' [17:14]
asciilifeform: after one such, one local poltroon even wrote pompous op-ed in local fishwrap, 'this fire is an opportunity for developers!' [17:15]
asciilifeform: ( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went ) [17:16]
asciilifeform: i suppose, cancer -- grows, nukes healthy tissue, noose at 11. [17:17]
asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, 35.198.33.239 - - [22/Sep/2018:17:30:05 -0400] "GET /dnscfg.cgi?dnsPrimary=139.60.162.188&dnsSecondary=139.60.162.201&dnsDynamic=0&dnsRefresh=1 HTTP/1.1" 301 185 "-" "curl/7.52.1" "-" [17:17]
asciilifeform: ^ somebody's lolbot goes around and tries to find (some unknown to me) type of konsoomer lulzrouter, to reset dns root of [17:18]
asciilifeform: ... to some box in nyc (hostkey co.) [17:19]
asciilifeform: Run Moar dns... [17:19]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852644 << lots of christians around. I don't suppose there'll be legal whoring in Mockystan either. [17:33]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-21 16:29 asciilifeform: btw i'm curious what trinque thinks, of how in his enlightened texas, whoring ~per se~ apparently is banned [17:33]
trinque: on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera. [17:35]
trinque: surprised no one has tried exploiting this observation yet [17:35]
BingoBoingo: And from the rumor mines: Maduro may "internationalize" domestic fuel prices in Vzla [17:41]
BingoBoingo: This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic [17:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852803 << this is the exact application of ye olde discussion of how to break out! nice. [18:18]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 18:47 asciilifeform: ( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive ) [18:18]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852858 << such soviet. [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:16 asciilifeform: ( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went ) [18:24]
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: wtf. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852866 << that's because you don't understand art! [18:26]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera. [18:26]
BingoBoingo: Related, Uruguayos and money: "Me paso algo parecido al comprar el monitor, no me aceptaron la tarjeta y tuve que ir a retirar al Shopping, me vine caminando esas 3 cuadras con como 600 dólares en el bolsillo del pantalón. Nunca me había meado y cagado tantas veces en mi vida. Además debido al estrés en el trayecto me quede pelado." [18:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt [18:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:50 BingoBoingo: This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic [18:27]
mircea_popescu: "you want your petrol allocations don't you" ? [18:27]
BingoBoingo: Seriously, case for Maduro as closet republican continues building [18:28]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852874 << just about errything built in usa, burns like matchstick. like old jp. [19:07]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 22:25 mircea_popescu: i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire. [19:07]
asciilifeform: ( even in cement office towers -- the drywall crapola still lights ) [19:07]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852879 << as i understand, could just as readily hasten his demise, neh ( 'hey next d00d will give us 10% moar' ) [19:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 22:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt [19:09]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852867 << apparently even nao ~nobody is arrested for going to whores, unless the whore itself turns him in... [19:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: surprised no one has tried exploiting this observation yet [19:10]
mod6: Ok, I've reversed the order of the manifest.txt file as we discussed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TMFMJ/?raw=true << mircea_popescu PeterL asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al. [19:47]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/nytimes-wrote-something-about-stalled-rodney-rosenstein-coup-attempt-against-trump/ << Qntra - NYTimes Wrote Something About Stalled Rodney Rosenstein Coup Attempt Against Trump [19:50]
mircea_popescu: this is all the more laughably idiotic as the trump's proven himself as a total cold lipped psychopath, putting up a "clumsy" front for idiots. [20:01]
BingoBoingo: 2019 Trump is going to be so lulzy [20:07]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: out of curiosity, why do you suppose it'll differ from the 2016-18 one ? d00d is coated in pantsuit t-cells so thickly , barely shows nose [20:11]
BingoBoingo: He gets more leverage with the Supreme Court and the Senate stacked in his favor. The T-Cells get have to become more desperate [20:34]
Mocky: I've been out of the travel game for a while i guess. I didn't even know "TSA presents: imma rape ur luggage m'kay" locks were a thing. And now that's just about all I can find. [20:40]
BingoBoingo: Well, if you don't use the lock where they expect the lock, then they destroy the lock, luggage, or both [20:43]
BingoBoingo: Such is the Pantlice state [20:43]
trinque: asciilifeform: funny enough, I end up at the ER waiting room (friend has ectopic pregnancy), and all I see sitting here are hooker-escorted-cops coming and going. [20:51]
trinque: maybe the hooker lobby would push harder for legalization if it wouldn't cut off the free healthcare! [20:51]
trinque: young hot hooker appears, comes to manage old crazy methwitch. both just went back to remind (I assume) girl in the back what she doesn't know. [21:00]
trinque: boy this is highly entertaining! [21:00]
mircea_popescu: heh [21:05]
mircea_popescu: liveblogging from clinic, notbad [21:05]
mod6: :] [21:05]
BingoBoingo: All legal prostitution seems to have done here is send a bunch of fatties and gender weirds to the Whiskerias so they can try to agitate for "sex workers union" [21:09]
trinque: inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random" [21:10]
mod6: lol [21:10]
mircea_popescu: haha. [21:10]
BingoBoingo: Well they apparently want union wage, same pay regardless of customers [21:12]
mircea_popescu: aaaahaahah [21:12]
BingoBoingo: They want to be like the Baker's Union [21:12]
mircea_popescu: is this an argentine-sponsored effort ? lxs dumbxs ? [21:12]
BingoBoingo: Likely [21:12]
trinque: ahaha, and in this scene, I get the cuntoo profile thing solved. [21:17]
* trinque starts full system rebuild using only what shall be in the genesis [21:17]
mod6: Pizarro is looking to purchase some fiat for next month. Please reach out to me if you would like to sell some dollars! Thanks in advance. [21:43]
mod6: Bank Wire or WU is acceptable. We're looking to purchase a total of $4`984.06 [21:45]
mod6: In other news, I've created a new excise hash truncation regrind vpatch, which includes the manifest.txt pasted above. Am re-testing it, currently. Will post to ML upon success. [21:52]
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