Forum logs for 22 Apr 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
shinohai: I have faith in you mod6 [00:00]
asciilifeform: mod6: do tell [00:01]
* asciilifeform wrestled with it for most of a year, only recently properly broken its will [00:01]
mod6: well, i try to compile some simple examples and it talks shit to me [00:02]
asciilifeform: paste? [00:04]
mod6: maybe it's just the example that isn't mean to bean compiled. [00:05]
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bdPh4/?raw=true [00:05]
asciilifeform: with Sqrt [00:06]
asciilifeform: where is it? [00:06]
asciilifeform: says plain as day, file "sqrt.ads" not found [00:07]
mod6: thought it might be inherited from Ada.* or whatever? or do i just need to implement my own? [00:07]
asciilifeform: mno. [00:07]
asciilifeform: if you copied this from a b00k, it was probably somewhere near this example. [00:08]
asciilifeform: and incidentally if you ever wonder 'is this in the standard' -- grep. [00:08]
mod6: yeah Ada 2012 [00:08]
asciilifeform: grab a copy of the standard & rationale [00:08]
asciilifeform: ( htm ones ) [00:09]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-21-apr-2017#2272733 << great lulz , you can do with these. always wanted to, e.g., burn one. [00:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 02:17 mircea_popescu: in other random lulz, i ended up with this pair of very nice 8 carat diamonds and i've been playing with them in the light like a complete down case for the past half hour [00:16]
asciilifeform: film the burn, also. [00:16]
mircea_popescu: proof of steak! [00:16]
asciilifeform: betcha it would set the idiots off, better than the rabbit koran or what was it. [00:16]
mircea_popescu: you're conflating two separate offenses! [00:17]
asciilifeform: they merge, like a flying ace's kills. [00:17]
shinohai: That asciilifeform too would have lost head in French Revolution. [00:20]
mircea_popescu: soup of kills! [00:21]
asciilifeform: 'sneeze into the sack' (tm)(r) [00:21]
shinohai: Let's pseudo encrypt calls too! http://archive.is/IDg84 [00:34]
asciilifeform: red, black, ..., what 'colour' pnoje nao ? [00:38]
asciilifeform: chartreuse? [00:38]
asciilifeform: fuchsia? [00:38]
shinohai: Mauve has the most RAM remember. [00:41]
mircea_popescu: c is for cookies, that's good enough for me... [00:55]
BingoBoingo: Back to this Koran bsns... It sure talks about jihad a lot... Have any of these SJW's (i.e. moldylocks the haircunt) actually read the other SJW's (Scary Jihad Warrior's) book? [00:59]
ben_vulpes: scary jihad warrior my sides [01:02]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: gotta skim through their book. It's basically ad copy for ISIS. Incites feeling that the proper sane foreign policy to handle the middle east is wall building and enticing a greater idiot to occasionally hurl missiles over there when the mohammadeans get aggressive beyond their station. [01:06]
ben_vulpes: embrace the imminent hairy rape, BingoBoingo [01:08]
ben_vulpes: if the us could still glass places, perhaps i'd not despise it so [01:09]
BingoBoingo: I AM THE ONE WHO IS HAIRY. [01:09]
ben_vulpes: go get 'em tiger [01:12]
BingoBoingo: !~bash 8 [01:12]
jhvh1: Last 8 lines bashed and pending publication [01:12]
ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay [01:13]
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah but what they really want is pixar movies about inclusiveness and to behave. [01:13]
BingoBoingo: I have not seen pixar mentioned yet. [01:16]
BingoBoingo: But taxes are. [01:17]
BingoBoingo: As is all of the "nobody could have forseen" that ISIS does [01:18]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, that rabbit had to die [02:14]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell shinohai http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/#comment-94914 [02:15]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [02:15]
ben_vulpes: https://youtu.be/Jgv5ixxgTsQ?t=153 << couple of birds get really surprised around 2:30 [02:47]
ben_vulpes: i gather i should be impressed that the us can hit a ship under full steam with guided ordinance [02:49]
ben_vulpes: what, this implies it's actually hard? [02:52]
mats: and how would ben_vulpes accomplish this without sat or gps guidance? [03:14]
mats: 'TACTOM' uses an illuminator that appears to require line-of-sight [03:16]
TomServo: mod6: Sadly neither. I need to make time to wrap my head around dumpblock. [08:18]
asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org [08:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 05:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << yes, goes by spyked on trilema bright undergrad and then grad at the bucharest politechnic (which still is a fine technical school, though it was better pre-democracy). [08:21]
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo, answered [08:23]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/SxcdT/?raw=true <<< Also, more sfyl [08:54]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [08:54]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...2173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH) [09:46]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...0139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH) [09:46]
Framedragger: re the tarpit, ooh a blog written in CL with sane commenting system (yet to be seen, of course) sounds interesting enough [10:01]
Framedragger: re. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05f-two-plus-two.html, heh tbh i expected him to delve into some biazarro scheme which would have a weird additive property (not just an if-then rule), disappoint [10:01]
shinohai: ^ now that is nice and clean looking. [10:06]
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder why the d00d ain't here. [10:07]
Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things [10:10]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647364 << hirsute. wtf is hirstute, like a hir-stitute [10:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 05:13 ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay [10:18]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647378 << pretty sure i was reading that five years ago or somesuch. [10:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 12:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org [10:18]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647389 << best i can tell, he suffers from the "maybe i won't have to do any laundry after all" geek disease. [10:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 14:10 Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things [10:19]
mircea_popescu: if you wait in a closet long enough, a) all problems resolve themselves eventually and b) your real life will start by itself also. because this is something people can do, decide what problems to apply themselves to and when to condescend to call their daily activity by that lofty name of "my life". [10:21]
Framedragger: yeah... in fairness, he seems to be operating in his own meatwot, not in total isolation. [10:22]
Framedragger: (but then, maybe that's only the presented impression. there is that closet smell, yeah.) [10:22]
mircea_popescu: of course he is. everyone ever is. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: the argument of irrelevancy is not as to isolation. it is as to irrelevancy. if the modernist delusion of "hi i can of myself and by myself choose what problems to apply myself to" rots one's brain, the result isn't necessarily a loner but what difference does that make ? [10:31]
mircea_popescu: you're still applying yourself to the wrong problems. [10:32]
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai [10:49]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/plastc-crowdfunded-credit-card-of-the-futures-goes-sfyl/ << Qntra - Plastc – Crowdfunded "Credit Card Of The Futures" Goes SFYL [10:49]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, ic. [11:07]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/terror-in-their-hearts-syrian-refugees-settled-in-north-saint-louis-seek-new-refugee-status-due-to-neighbourhood-violence/ << Qntra - "Terror In Their Hearts" Syrian Refugees Settled In North Saint Louis Seek New Refugee Status Due To Neighbourhood Violence [11:39]
BingoBoingo: ^ Unlike sweden where refugees terrorize locals, in Saint Louis local terrorize [11:41]
asciilifeform: qntra down ?? [11:48]
BingoBoingo: slow still [11:49]
BingoBoingo: much less slow momentarily [11:50]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights2.jpg [11:59]
BingoBoingo: Nice, did that trap in rights one fire? it's a it blurry [11:59]
shinohai: /http://archive.is/JBLBv "Microsoft wants to bring data and machine intelligence closer together" [12:07]
shinohai: Good luck with that ya'll [12:07]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not yet [12:07]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have you also considered setting up a shallow bowl full of "mole & gopher peanuts" [12:26]
asciilifeform: wassat [12:27]
asciilifeform: ah, rat poison. nope, and it is specifically not what i need here, i have 0 use for dead rodents in walls, between ceilings, had this at old flat and f--- would not do again. they gotta pay for their crimes on designated scaffolds, on designated chopping blocks. [12:30]
BingoBoingo: ah [12:35]
shinohai: asciilifeform strikes me as the type that will leave vermin carcass on a pike as a warning to the others .... [12:36]
asciilifeform: if only this worked. [12:36]
asciilifeform: ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) [12:38]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...2917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC) [12:43]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...8473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC) [12:43]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) << Pretty sure this is part of the criteria for being rodent [13:01]
mircea_popescu: alf takes terrible pictures. [13:36]
shinohai: Nah, they are artistic photos, meant to capture the melancholy and precarious situation the rodents find themselves in, teetering on the brink of life and death in a cold, unforgiving attic. [13:40]
mircea_popescu: ah [13:41]
ben_vulpes: a hir-stitute! [13:42]
mircea_popescu: lel [13:43]
* shinohai wonders if alf's attic would make a better BDSM hangout than that place mircea_popescu mentioned in Disk Less Terminal [13:43]
mircea_popescu: most attics make fine dungeons. [13:43]
ben_vulpes: mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps? [13:45]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes its amusing to me to see all the usgistani youtube rarararing (a fine example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej_aLJpFYo ) deeply rely on satellites. fact : large scale involvement with either russia or china will contain the end of satellites as the very first step. [13:47]
mircea_popescu: there ISN'T GOING TO BE a gps. [13:47]
ben_vulpes: that'll be the end of orbital access as well. [13:47]
mircea_popescu: the russian thing may survive slightly longer because it is a later, better design with some concern shown to this problem and because the americans are inept and ineffectual. but it's iffy. [13:47]
ben_vulpes: once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's why things like the guided missile yest use direct sighting etc. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: by and large, if there's a gps there's not a war and vice-versa. they're entirely and without remainder mutually exclusive. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway. [13:49]
ben_vulpes: dead reckoning works reasonably well, in that it has an error distribution and one can handle that with volume. [13:49]
ben_vulpes: open sea not friendly either. [13:50]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647425 << they're from a chinese turret cam [13:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: alf takes terrible pictures. [13:52]
asciilifeform: 320x200 [13:52]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647432 << see l0gz re correct method of jamming gps (hint : from the air, usg spent $maxint on directional noise-subtractor and OMFG not from point source ) [13:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:45 ben_vulpes: mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps? [13:53]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647437 << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt ) [13:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 ben_vulpes: once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: the correct method of jamming gps is the space age equivalent of the 45 magnum round. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556262 [13:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-17 05:41 mircea_popescu: so yes, there is ONE possibly useful application of a military railgun : making the deep space interdictor. but this is slight. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. [13:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647439 << modern rocket (incl. winged rocket, e.g. the very same 'tomahawk' ) track terrain. [13:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on. [13:55]
asciilifeform: ( that and whatever rf the enemy is dumb enough to helpfully emit from point source ) [13:56]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647441 << the iss imploding would be quite equivalent to 10,001 'head start' kindergartens burning to the ground, with inmates & crew inside [13:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:49 mircea_popescu: but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: soooo ? [13:57]
asciilifeform: i.e. a massive win for 'maga' [13:57]
asciilifeform: it's a money furnace with 0 ev. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: but alf! the humanity! and its "our goals" of cooperation ands etc! [13:57]
asciilifeform: (rather, -$maxint ev ) [13:57]
asciilifeform: aaaha. rodentrights. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be off to talk to hookers. laters. [13:58]
asciilifeform: ( btw iss doesn't even live in outer orbit. closer to... outer atmosphere. ) [14:01]
Framedragger: relevant article: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/08/a_rocket_to_nowhere.htm [14:21]
Framedragger: (worth a read. can argue later. but recommend. but probably known to alf et al.) [14:22]
Framedragger: (shitty tldr: iss is a toy which is nasa's bureaucratic instrument to get constant, predictable budget assignations (consider that iss always has to be crewed). now-defunct space shittle + iss was a perfect self-sustaining devil's pair.) [14:35]
shinohai: http://archive.is/U4lDq <<<Unicorn Frappuccino, meet Special Snowflake. [14:52]
mircea_popescu: the problem with research is that it's not a reasonable activity from accounting pow. [16:00]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/22/how-to-be-tbtf-the-microsoft-way/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How to be TBTF the Microsoft way. [16:19]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/rogue-cop/ << Trilema - Rogue Cop [17:30]
* asciilifeform misread as 'rogue cpp' [17:44]
asciilifeform: also BingoBoingo on second thought i disrecommend this type of trap : stiff trigger. ( asciilifeform now has film of vermin happily munching from the traps ) [17:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~100% of iss 'research' is of roughly same grade as 'climate science.' [17:48]
asciilifeform: liquishit that doesn't pass the laugh test. [17:48]
asciilifeform: (as described in Framedragger's link. 'why does this box need crew to push a button?' 'BECAUSE! stfu terrorist' 'didn't grass grow in orbit 10,001 times in this identical way?' 'stfu terrorist' etc. [17:49]
asciilifeform: ) [17:49]
phf: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/02/28/cs-department-updates-introductory-courses/ [19:22]
phf: “adapting to industry shifts and student feedback, the computer science department has implemented various changes to its introductory courses, CS106 and CS107. This spring, a pilot version of CS106A, tentatively called CS106J, will be taught in Javascript instead of Java. Meanwhile, CS106S: “Programming Abstractions and Social Good” is being offered as a standalone class for the first time this winter, encouraging students to consider the s [19:23]
phf: ocial impact their work can have. [19:23]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647200 << i like to think of it as an eccentric quirk. every time i notice it, i'm amused at how dumb that parser it [19:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 21:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404. [19:26]
phf: *is [19:26]
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647480 << wait that's not a joke? omg. you're all like "are you surprised??", but i honestly didn't think it'd go that low [19:30]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:22 phf: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/02/28/cs-department-updates-introductory-courses/ [19:30]
Framedragger: i will claim that for all the free burning-in-hell credits that java has honourably accrued, it is at least somewhat of a programming language. at least you learn what a fucking type is. JS is something like a 24/7 d0pe weed smoking experience in class (unoriginal redundant repetitions are redundant, but still...) [19:32]
shinohai: If I don't haz to go to class, then I need not know what class is :D [19:33]
asciilifeform: 'When Roberts came to Stanford in 1990, CS106A was still taught in Pascal, a programming language he described as not “clean.” The department adopted the C language in 1992.' [19:34]
Framedragger: shinohai: that's the thing, this'd actually be somewhat consistent :D and possibly less of a waste of time [19:34]
asciilifeform: ahahahaha [19:34]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-15#626237 << see also. [19:34]
a111: Logged on 2014-04-15 18:34 asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean [19:34]
shinohai: lel [19:35]
Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..) [19:35]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: that it ain't c/cpp/shitscript/whatever. [19:36]
asciilifeform: that it isn't 'up to sync with INDUSTRY!!1!!!' [19:36]
* Framedragger granted, mostly avoided pascal in high school by way of teachers being tards, so maybe not enough radiation exposure to develop rash [19:36]
Framedragger: lol ffs. [19:36]
asciilifeform: ( shocking seekrit!11: pascal grew up and turned into ada in '83 ) [19:36]
phf: pascal is still taught as main language in some european universities including moscow state cs department [19:44]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645317 << this was an experimental place, after doing more traditional club with table service, which i'm honestly not good at. it was a frat bar, and 3 of us had thursday which typically was really slow night, bar % and door. so we had a chance to build up various gimmicks, and see how they play out. i was good at that. at height the take home was about 2k each, which is way low compared to a club, but really go [19:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-18 00:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645221 << were you any good at that ? [19:48]
phf: od for a divy bar. fun stuff when you're 25. [19:48]
mats: ben_vulpes: nfi [21:21]
mats: my understanding is that many systems are used to ensure reliability, like infrared search and track (irst), flir, inertial navigation systems, AESA/APG-81, laser illumination for cooperative engagement [21:27]
mats: AN/AAQ-40 features combined flir and irst as well as laser designation, and also capable of generating geo coords to support gps-guided weapons systems [21:28]
mats: the systems described above are used in the f-35, but shipboard versions exist, ie, AN/SPY-1, AN/SPY-3 [21:33]
mats: there's more but i can't remember the acronym [21:34]
mats: ah, AN/SPG-62 [21:38]
mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-space-idUSKBN17O04E [21:48]
mats: (cn's first cargo spacecraft, Tianzhou-1, performs autodock with Tiangong-2 spacelab) [21:50]
ben_vulpes: well with caveats pursuant to mircea_popescu's critique that gps is not long for this world, gps + dead reckoning [22:11]
ben_vulpes: the only hard part of gps + rocket is maintaining lock under g's [22:12]
ben_vulpes: and i'm pretty sure that we did the tightly-coupled gps+imu+kalman filter thread before [22:12]
ben_vulpes: reliability is important if your birds cost millions to loft [22:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe a large part of the iss research is very much in the vein of "mp's private whore spending time in brothel -- she's not there to learn how to make money with her cunt, but to acclimate herself mentally and physically to the taxing environment." [22:25]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647485 << lol, i can see it. [22:27]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:26 phf: *is [22:27]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s. [22:29]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:35 Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..) [22:29]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, /me is cleaning up mangoes (holy shit it's mango season, you can not imagine) to go into this fabulous mango-pineapple ... not sure how you'd call it in english, "conserve" i guess. eeuropean thing, stiff sweet whole fruit preserve. [22:34]
mircea_popescu: kitten walks by, i'm like hey, you know this is good for the face ?! proceed to wipe my hands all over her mug. she stumbles to the bathroom flailing about, eyes closed. then five minutes later... "hey her face is really good!" [22:35]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how do you say uogiene in british ? [22:36]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hah! well, i don't know any colloquial / actually local words for this other than the (generic boring), you know, "jam". [22:42]
Framedragger: in .lt you normally also say what kind of uogienė (strawberry, apple, etc.), but i guess that's normal/conventional anyway [22:43]
mircea_popescu: ya but it's not the same, as evidenced by the fact that as a 10 yo i could eat a proper sized jar of say apricot jam (800g) but barely made it through a small (240g) jar of dulceata de piersici. [22:43]
Framedragger: how did you come to this, uh, query, if i may ask?? [22:43]
mircea_popescu: which was also my favourite. [22:43]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger cuz im cookin'. [22:43]
Framedragger: ahaĄ [22:43]
Framedragger: ! [22:43]
Framedragger: nice. [22:43]
mircea_popescu: lol. [22:43]
Framedragger: ya i usually can't stand british 'jams', it's just ~sugar. which is what britons eat, anyway [22:44]
shinohai: mircea_popescu: Is dulceata similar in .ro as in es to signify `sweet` ? [22:44]
Framedragger: (and scottish add deep fried mars bars to the diet) [22:45]
* Framedragger sleeps [22:45]
* shinohai forgets [22:48]
shinohai: !~translate ro to es dulceata [22:48]
jhvh1: shinohai: mermelada [22:48]
shinohai: casi [22:48]
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's this particular preserve with ~whole fruit [22:49]
mircea_popescu: it's not marmalade in any sense. ro notion of marmalade is, no sugar added, plum generally, if you make it thin it's the basis for alcohol (that's how you make tuica, from distilling fermented thin plum marmalade) and if you make it thick it's a sweet. [22:50]
shinohai: I have some stuff here called "dulce de fresa" which is basically whole strawberry spread, deliciousness. [22:50]
mircea_popescu: something like that. [22:51]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-23#1647521 << we had same class, with ye olde turbopascal also. inline asm did the trick -- whatever graphical effect you want. [23:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-23 02:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s. [23:11]
mircea_popescu: meh, if you're goint to do that might as well run c. [23:12]
mircea_popescu: draw the page as a memory area and flip it into the video buffer zone was the state of the art iirc. [23:13]
asciilifeform: specifically no. it was really a good (if unintentional) lesson in how to optimize ~properly~ - i.e. the part that actually ~demands~ the massage. [23:13]
asciilifeform: ( in re 'may as well c' ) [23:13]
mircea_popescu: i know of no one who in practice showed this theory of yours. [23:13]
mircea_popescu: whereas the "define screensized memory object, do bit toggles on it, flip it into video range" was exemplified by just about any early 90s product, take your pick. [23:14]
asciilifeform: was addressing the 'may as well write whole proggy in c' strictly. [23:14]
asciilifeform: how to buffer vga - is not in dispute, no [23:15]
mircea_popescu: yes but this is not a particularly cogent argument becausae the people writing for the video effects don't particularily care about corectness. [23:15]
mircea_popescu: in fact, a lot of the issues of software today can be traced to that early "can this machine do nice light blinkers?!?!" [23:15]
asciilifeform: not wrong, but not the complete story [23:16]
asciilifeform: the folx with the blinkers got correctness largely 'for free', and carried on thinking that this could continue [23:16]
mircea_popescu: there's also that yes. [23:16]
asciilifeform: and somehow survive, e.g., winblows (and other multiprocess crapolade) [23:16]
mircea_popescu: it worked at the time specifically because early micros were a lot closer to signal processors than to cpus. [23:17]
asciilifeform: in the sense that they were ~engineered objects~ rather than piles of fungal liquishit -- yes. [23:18]
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense that they were less reflexive. [23:19]
mircea_popescu: none of this "processor watching the processor process" bs. [23:19]
asciilifeform: the 'reflexive' liquishit is implicit in 'let's let every fungus write programs' [23:22]
mircea_popescu: possibly. it's certainly implicit in "how can we make this more '''truthful'''" or however you'd put it, truer-er./ [23:23]
asciilifeform: much of the mechanical complexity of 'c machine' is items like tlb cache, and page tables in general, and mechanisms for saving arbitrary state -- to give each process the illusion of independently occupying a 1980s-style 'personal comp' [23:24]
mircea_popescu: tru [23:24]
asciilifeform: you can tell that it was a tumour, because it continues to carry on beyond any reasonable scale ('tasking' was not enough, saving all registers on ~every interrupt was not enough, now also need 'vm hypervisor', and now THAT not enough, need meta-hypervisor... etc barfalicious) [23:25]
asciilifeform: tumour is this thing for which no size is the correct size. [23:25]
mircea_popescu: imo the exact same drive is behind "let's build ai to make friends" and "let's make use of the higher transistor count to reflexivitize the cpu". it's a sort of triumf des willens all of its own. [23:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a great definition. it also covers things like molluscs in nature, but whatever, acceptable collateral damage. [23:26]
asciilifeform: in re mechanisms for 'no amount is enough', see also variant of https://archive.is/b1zBK . [23:29]
mircea_popescu: lol [23:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu at one point had article where 'there are people who labour under belief that if they could get a big enough house, they will never have to clean it' or how did it go [23:31]
mircea_popescu: aha. [23:33]
mircea_popescu: one of the lulzier downtails of "bigger is better" and "better is anything you wish it to be". [23:33]
mircea_popescu: "a house can be big enough to never need cleaning" follows sylogistically from accepting those premises. [23:37]
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, capitalism + democracy = houses big enough to not need cleaning. [23:37]
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