Forum logs for 19 Oct 2017
| ben_vulpes: | chinese arm of this project is taking much longer, but at least i have at least one translatorwannabe in my pipeline | [00:00] |
| asciilifeform: | at the risk of repeating earlier q - what exactly does hypothetical boobytrapped switch, do ? | [00:23] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: ^ | [00:23] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Generates and hammers magic packets | [00:24] |
| davout: | "ring the doorbell and run away giggling" | [00:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | Or munge frames | [00:25] |
| davout: | you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh? | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | to what end ? | [00:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | To what end does pantsuit do what pantsuit does? | [00:26] |
| asciilifeform: | as davout said. as if it could be other than immediately obvious , if shitflood originates inside the house | [00:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | And despite being immediately obvious, does that not still annoy? | [00:26] |
| asciilifeform: | what a laugh it’d be - yank the thing and put in another, exhibit the boobytrapped piece publicly | [00:27] |
| asciilifeform: | if only every ddos were this simple to vanish away | [00:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA, and hence camp out reasonable walk from rack! | [00:28] |
| davout: | BingoBoingo: i guess the point is that it's going to end up being extremely costly to preemptively weed out every single annoyance you can think of | [00:28] |
| davout: | kinda resonates with http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-18-oct-2017#2351580 | [00:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times | [00:29] |
| asciilifeform: | it is actually how usg does business , the anticipate-supposedly-all thing | [00:31] |
| asciilifeform: | worx about as well as you might expect. | [00:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | mind numbing waste of time and energy | [00:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | Point is not "weed out all annoyances", point is make the one finite mitigation (own switch) which is less mitigation and more practice for scaling later. | [00:34] |
| asciilifeform: | again -- which own | [00:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord. | [00:36] |
| asciilifeform: | i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude | [00:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | Own in the sense I manage the settings on the appliance instead of trusting DC to not assign the task to their jolo. And at desired connection speeds switch handles the routing, unless you wanna go Cisco. | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform: | what settings ? | [00:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | What port gets what IP range | [00:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | Maybe customer wants super anal static routing BBQ for their box? | [00:39] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: this is generally set once. and out of band. | [00:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ( box has serial port ) | [00:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense. | [00:42] |
| BingoBoingo: | Urethra is generally an exit, but some people are into sounding | [00:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ideally dc supplies mains current and physical space, net pipe consists of leased fiber from unrelated co. | [00:43] |
| asciilifeform: | running straight from street into out iron. | [00:44] |
| asciilifeform: | *our | [00:44] |
| asciilifeform: | this is how it was in the olden days, in the boxes asciilifeform BOFH'd over long ago. | [00:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | And today fiber runs to "meet me" room or other nonesuch, then to street or sewer ditch or wherever | [00:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | Or meet me room is skipped | [00:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | and to street as in old days | [00:47] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up ssth1 | [00:50] |
| deedbot: | ssth1 voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | But when exploring datacenter options, biggest obstacle is encountering Jolo the Pinoy in all nationalities. From "10 mbps to rack" to "Try this managed colo where we buy you boxes and do everything, it's just like getting 7Kva of dedicated servers but with more upsells" | [00:51] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v) | [00:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. space station electric price | [00:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA | [00:53] |
| mod6: | <+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs | [00:53] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: a civilized dc has massive central ups | [00:53] |
| asciilifeform: | + gens outdoors | [00:53] |
| mod6: | gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip? | [00:54] |
| asciilifeform: | nobody's about to fly out to swap little batteries. | [00:54] |
| mod6: | would figure that would be something you would want in-cage. | [00:54] |
| asciilifeform: | don't leak cpu to the mains. | [00:54] |
| mod6: | switch-flippers | [00:55] |
| asciilifeform: | not as if having power for extra 10min past dc losing it, does you any good | [00:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and that's if you were to put in 2u of ups per every 1u of serverolade ! ) | [00:56] |
| mod6: | ok | [00:56] |
| asciilifeform: | in even small corporate dc there are several ups that take up small room | [00:57] |
| asciilifeform: | and outdoors -- diesels. | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform: | now ! mains quality ~logger~, with independent power source -- imho deserves a 1u in any tmsr cabinet. | [00:59] |
| asciilifeform: | front-facing camera, too, why not | [01:00] |
| asciilifeform: | helps to keep the landlord honest. | [01:00] |
| mod6: | and rear-facing, why not, right | [01:00] |
| asciilifeform: | this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos | [01:01] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl | [01:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!up Raven | [01:21] |
| deedbot: | Raven voiced for 30 minutes. | [01:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | ohai | [01:21] |
| Guest29647: | hi.. | [01:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | lol yeah that name has good odds of already being in use | [01:22] |
| Guest29647: | Uh huh..so...what shall I do now? | [01:23] |
| Guest29647: | maybe check the instructions in the mail? | [01:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | pick a different name? perhaps a phonetic version of your name? | [01:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | mod6: kinda interesting that your `ent` chi-squared "randomly would exceed this value XX percent of the time" always comes out to something nice and round like 25.00 or 50.00 | [01:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | Guest29647: start by registering a nickname with nickserv | [01:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | Guest29647: type /msg nickserv help for details on that | [01:25] |
| Guest29647: | let me try that.. | [01:25] |
| mod6: | ben_vulpes: ah, i seem to remember reading about the X^2 percentiles in knuth. mine in particular came out pretty round ya. or do you mean "your" in the general sense? | [01:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | no, yours in particular | [01:27] |
| Guest29647: | REGISTER Zero | [01:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski 's are also round | [01:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | Guest29647: prepend with a slash, like /register zero | [01:27] |
| mod6: | i'd have to look at other's results, can't recall off the top of my head. | [01:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | but that one's also going to be taken, freenode is a very busy place | [01:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | heck, try raven_zero | [01:28] |
| Guest29647: | Test. | [01:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | mod6: for contrast this first run just came out with 80.89% | [01:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | Guest29647: once you register the nick, you gotta also set it as your nick like /nick raven_zero | [01:29] |
| Guest29647: | test. | [01:29] |
| Guest29647: | from my viewpoint, I'm stll Guest29647. | [01:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | mine too what did nickserv tell you when you typed exactly /nick raven_zero | [01:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | Guest29647 maybe go with CorvusCorone | [01:30] |
| mod6: | ben_vulpes: seems fine. iirc, and i don't have the book in hand at the moment, but knuth outside certain boundaries is suspect. | [01:31] |
| mod6: | might be in the logs | [01:31] |
| * mod6 | digs | [01:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | mod6: this is from "the art of computer programming" or... ? | [01:32] |
| mod6: | yah, i'll go grab the book, standby. | [01:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | !up raven_zero | [01:41] |
| mod6: | "If V is less than the 1% entry or greater than the 99% entry, we reject the numbers as no sufficiently random. If V lies between the 1% and 5% entries or between the 95% and 99% entries, the numbers are ``suspect'' | [01:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | raven_zero: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup | [01:42] |
| mod6: | if (by interpolation in the table) V lies between the 5% and 10% entries, or the 90% and 95% entries, the numbers might be ``almost suspect.''" -- Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 2, Seminumerical Algorithms pp. 46,47 | [01:44] |
| ben_vulpes: | mod6: yeah i think i'll just have to read this myself | [01:44] |
| mod6: | There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results. | [01:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | leaning on intuition here feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition | [01:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | statistics being the thing that hoses intuition every time. | [01:47] |
| mod6: | yeah, not too sure. i've also never looked at the `ent` code. | [01:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | raven_zero: figuring it out? | [01:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [02:01] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5596.04, vol: 18812.72167390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 66247.61052566 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4249.0422, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 6382.03374572 | Volume-weighted last average: 5599.18529691 | [02:01] |
| mod6: | ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously... | [02:13] |
| mod6: | (just to see if I get a different value, or non-round value for X^2) | [02:16] |
| mod6: | ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively | [02:30] |
| mod6: | originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new. | [02:32] |
| mod6: | anyway, have a good night :] | [02:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question. | [03:03] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 03:56 davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS? | [03:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust. | [03:07] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 04:25 davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh? | [03:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order. | [03:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord. | [03:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-12 21:35 asciilifeform: trinque: will need, laugh if you must, 2nd inverter | [03:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement., | [03:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000) | [03:12] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000) = 0.1893939393939394 | [03:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power. | [03:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 04:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v) | [03:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | what math did you do when you decided you don't like it ? | [03:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726608 << yes. it's not practical to put the gen gear next to the box. | [03:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 04:54 mod6: gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip? | [03:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ? | [03:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 05:01 asciilifeform: this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos | [03:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726638 << this is liek, the most creative person i ever encountered. "raven" and "Zero", really ? what's next, "hacker" ? "internet" ? | [03:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 05:27 Guest29647: REGISTER Zero | [03:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire | [03:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [03:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere | [03:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively | [03:44] |
| * ben_vulpes | just had an exciting apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off | [03:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | however new residence has a "whole house fan", and so exhausting all interior gasses was a trivial exercise | [04:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ? | [04:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | bwah no | [04:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | figurative fuse? | [04:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!key ssth1 | [04:03] |
| deedbot: | Not registered. | [04:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | mortified noob had to endure the humiliation of me having to actually go outside reset the gas line | [04:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!key raven_zero | [04:04] |
| deedbot: | Not registered. | [04:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated. | [04:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there. | [04:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | ah i see i was thinking about little glass amp-rated tubes | [04:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | or figuratively, "blew a gasket" | [04:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | why not make her reset gas line? | [04:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow | [04:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | well for one thing she had no idea how/where, i never saw the item installed anywhere else in that country. | [04:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, it was the lulz of all time | [04:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | "but i'm not even a vegetarian!" | [04:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm | [04:10] |
| jurov: | shinohai: ack | [06:41] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical | [09:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively | [09:09] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ?? | [09:11] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question. | [09:11] |
| asciilifeform: | if you have a pair of racked boxes that gotta talk seeekritly to ~one another~, don't connect them via the switch, connect directly with crossover cable ( this is what the spare nics quality boxen ship with, are for ) | [09:13] |
| asciilifeform: | or alternatively asciilifeform's philosophy -- i.e. packets that leave your nics, are to be considered public | [09:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ( want non public? is what crypto is for, switch is not a trusted piece of equip ) | [09:16] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing | [09:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust. | [09:18] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726680 << i'd like a republican chair to sit in too!111 switch, however, if you want GB or above -- does require making own silicon if you want it to meaningfully differ from the extant items . fpga won't cut it clockwise. | [09:21] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:10 mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement., | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise | [09:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ? | [09:23] |
| asciilifeform: | i see it as worth something, to be able to immediately distinguish , e.g., a dead hdd, from a stolen hdd . | [09:24] |
| asciilifeform: | and to know if uninvited guests have been inside the cage. | [09:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726711 << this is unknown in usa: too much high tech! instead, and only in earthquake states, and only in ~some~ towns, they issue... wrenches, with which one is expected to close the valve outside the ruins of your house, as you climb from the rubble | [09:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow | [09:28] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726677 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726583 | [09:30] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order. | [09:30] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 04:37 asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude | [09:30] |
| asciilifeform: | isolating ps for rackmounts, could easily be a product | [09:31] |
| asciilifeform: | this functionality belongs ~in~ the box, where more difficult for 'guests' to monkey with, not in cords and bottoms of cabinets. | [09:33] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726683 << this figure is correct, but on the high end of the typical price range. | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power. | [09:36] |
| * asciilifeform | finally eaten the l0gz | [09:38] |
| mod6: | mornin | [10:11] |
| mod6: | <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere << yeah. | [10:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively | [10:12] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical << aha. i think im going to re-run them all with the newer `ent` and post those results as well. unless, people think it's redundant or not required. | [10:13] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively | [10:13] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: 'ent' has only 1 virtue vs dieharder -- it's quick | [10:24] |
| asciilifeform: | really it is good for finding catastrophically broken rng, and no moar | [10:25] |
| mod6: | makes sense. | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ( a shit rng that fools ent is much easier to build, even by accident, than same vs dieharder ) | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ent will show if you have, say, stuck bits, or repeating bytes, or even all zeroes etc. | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ( from , say, misconfigured serial port -- guaranteed to show these symptoms ) | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform: | relatedly, i very much wish that pc had a simple ( no stateful usb liquishit) ~synchronous~ port | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform: | but it does not. | [10:29] |
| asciilifeform: | parallel port was adequate. but no recent boxes have'em and the usb paralleldongles never worked ( they were specific to printers, those have buffers, usb doesn't really give you realtime synchronism ) | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | ( nitpicker could reply : 'but what about isosynchronous usb mode ?' -- it's liquishit, unsupported by most interface ics you can get, and specifically disclaims any guarantee of packet delivery. used for, e.g., usb soundcard. ) | [11:12] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma put a likbez in the l0gz, for fyootor folx : here's ordinary rs232, at ttl signal level, (noninverted), transmitting a 10000010 : | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ```\_/`\_________/`\_/``` | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ....s 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 s | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | ( first s is start bit, which is always 0 second s is stop bit, always 1 ) | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | thing is 'self-clocking', which is why you gotta set a baud rate, and they are standard ) | [11:24] |
| asciilifeform: | now let's do same byte, synchronous : | [11:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ```\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\ <-- clock | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | _____/`\_____________________/`\________ <-- data | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ......1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ~fin~ | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | needs 2 wires, but no longer matters at what rate, within physical limits, you clock it. | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726715 << we were also making a lot of cow/herbivore jokes at the time. | [11:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 08:10 ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726309 : i suppose it's obvious that teh republic, between wot, forum and the new deedbot beats silicon valley way the fuck out of the water. what angel list, what y combinator, why would i, or any thinking man, bother. | [11:30] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-18 18:54 ben_vulpes: what would the terms be? | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | btw phf your logtron mangles these, because variablewidthfont. readers should paste above item into a civilized terminal to read. | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or read phf's log on lynx etc ) | [11:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai mircea_popescu | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola! | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726719 << here's model : intel box B behind cisco switch S. NSA N sends magic packet M. S notices packet it received does not match rules operator O set S notices M matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M pass in spite of this breaking its submission to O. B receives packet M, acts accordingly, breaking its submission to O. perhaps B also responds, with packet M'. S notices M' does | [11:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ?? | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | not match rules operator O set S notices M' matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M' pass. | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | need I now do the S' case ? | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | no this makes sense, but seems to describe a diddled router/fw, rather than switch | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | i have one here, lol! | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | a GB/s no less | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, but by now they're all "intelligent". | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | separate iron box from router | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | think like a phone. | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ugh | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, maybe all is an overstatement, but you get the idea i think. | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | while we're on subj, the infamous 'ont catalogue' featured not only boobytrapped routers etc but... ethernet jacks with 'intelligence', boobied cables | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | and video cables iirc. | [11:36] |
| asciilifeform: | any object supplied by randos can theoretically be 'alive'. | [11:36] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, theremin-style rf tap | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform simple pill for the ethernet, cut and crimp. | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i teach teh slavegirls, it's part of the basic curriculum. | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform met a fella who claimed to have designed the nsa-usbjack boobytrap ( i did not believe him ) | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: most elderly folx like asciilifeform cut their own cablez aha | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | ( buy bobbin, buy plugs etc ) | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | well that's what i'm saying, there's even teenaged sluts doing it nowadays. perhaps for the first time in internet history, at that! | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | terrorism prevails. | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | you dun even need literacy : the strands are helpfully coloured | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup. | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | (one amusing result was one girl painted her toenails thusly. NOBODY noticed.) | [11:39] |
| * asciilifeform | pictures this ! | [11:39] |
| mod6: | haha | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | "what was at that hacker club thing ?" "a bunch of idiots ?" "whence can you tell ?" "i painted my toenails utp style. everyone wanted to talk of me, nobody thought ot mention it." | [11:40] |
| phf: | it's such a toxic color scheme, you'd think somebody will notice. | [11:41] |
| asciilifeform: | maybe the extra 2 fingers, threw'em off, lol | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ikr ? esp cause it takes all the half-whites and shit. and besides, where do geeks look when trying to think of something to say to girl ? yep, you've guessed it, toes! | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform maybe. tho pinky toe nails are tiny anyway. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726724 << as far as i know (and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing) there's not at present any lubby deployed in usgistan internet "intelligence". | [11:43] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: every once in a while, they beg/buy/borrow/steal something authored by actual people | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | like chukcha and his geologist's flashlight | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | too hard to use. | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726728 << i know of no place which offers proper mounts for this. because understand, there's no ad-hoc anything on dc floor. | [11:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design. | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ianae, maybe there's places where they'll mount your camera opposite if you ask. i wouldn't really add it to the disqualifier list. | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | you put it in a standard 1u box, wat. | [11:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | and pray for a transparent cabinet door and available fixed location and nobody placing a sticker in front of it ? | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | no particular reason for it to look adhoc or in any way unusual. | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | if it's ~your~ cabinet, you know its geometry and where box sits, neh. | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | what i'm saying is that i dont know this being part of the design. | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform what is this, are you being an alien. the eyes in your own box don't see your mouth in your own box do they ? | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | it'd be part of any design where asciilifeform fills a cabinet with own hands and locks the door. | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | idea is not 'magical camera, catches everything' but to turn the enemy's own psychosis against himself : now ~any~ ventilation hole, in any side of any iron, could theoretically be pinhole cam. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh get out. | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | they're what, a $1. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | "enemy" is too dumb to stop shitting in its own mouth. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | see also http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725084 etc | [11:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads. | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | build for smart enemy. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | universe came with afaik no guarantee that enemy is dumb. | [11:56] |
| phf: | fight the enemy you have, not the enemy you want :) | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually, it does, yes. that's what the republic is : the construction of the guarantee that if enemy exists, he is dumb. | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | in other reichlulz, 'Marlène Schiappa, France’s gender equality minister (yes, that’s a thing), has proposed putting forward a bill in parliament that would fine people for engaging in street harassment — including aggressive catcalls.' | [12:01] |
| shinohai: | https://send.firefox.com/ <<< we promise to never, ever, EVER look at your private keys. Probably. | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform the french have this communist issue. nato or no nato, during the 70s it had gotten so bad they were not even included in intel briefing. | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | betcha a phuctor-flavoured www that invites idjit to 'insert privkey for inspection for weak' would get ~something~ in the basket at the end of the day | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends. would it have been featured on the atlantic ? | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | if in beobachter, million keys | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | if in sturmer, prolly still handful | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | same people as insert their bank acct # to 'check if stolen' | [12:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. that's an easy enough site to make, only need one branch implemented. "yes." | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. ~nobody has a rsa key. | [12:07] |
| asciilifeform: | dun have to be an rsa key for this, neh | [12:07] |
| asciilifeform: | funnel happily eats whatever key. | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | fax me a hallibut! | [12:09] |
| phf: | "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.crypto.subtle.generateKey')" well there's that.. | [12:13] |
| shinohai: | Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html | [12:16] |
| shinohai: | owner offered Btc discount, I may try to scrape up if so | [12:16] |
| trinque: | just a couple generations back intel mac | [12:17] |
| shinohai: | https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/sys/d/150-mh-rx-470-ethereum-mining/6352367772.html <<< lulzy post from same | [12:17] |
| * shinohai | likes the high-tech boxfan cooling system | [12:18] |
| phf: | shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready" | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!gettrust madeline | [12:19] |
| deedbot: | L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. | [12:19] |
| shinohai: | Thanks for advice. Fellow also has a Optiplex 3050 for sale. | [12:23] |
| shinohai: | !~ticker --market all | [13:06] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5667.73, vol: 11751.24920886 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5660.0, vol: 44617.90902337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4257.4896, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5671.7, vol: 4363.3678099 | Volume-weighted last average: 5662.33628616 | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other wowz, check out felipelalli : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/ | [13:09] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/the-job-board/ << Trilema - The Job Board | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in other public speaking, http://78.media.tumblr.com/fd52e61509cb29720d1dc1f550c49997/tumblr_nmnvgglu9v1tatbbfo1_500.gif | [13:25] |
| shinohai: | Good to see females that have control of the mic | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | in a manner of slurping. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw asciilifeform re http://trilema.com/2011/un-defect-romanesc/ didja in your journey trhough romanian learnings run into that dude's blog ? | [13:35] |
| asciilifeform: | yes ! | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha. | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | he had a page about the 'drum bun' army march | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | which i ran across on a ww2 ro kick | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i always thoiught his "still more romanian than you" byline was lulzy. | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | >> https://kingofromania.com/2010/04/22/expression-of-the-day-drum-bun << subj | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha | [13:38] |
| asciilifeform: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whLVaIisZP0 << subj x2 | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | in similar lulz, the badea cirtan market in timisoara was officially known as "bad curtain". | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | and yes i pictured, unavoidably , a drum | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | lol!! | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | that's almost as good as 'bread of the sieve cable' <-> 'бред сивой кобылы' | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | aqhahaha | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr, i never liked that one march, wtf bs it is. | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87mk0Uzivo << moar properly german stuffs. | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | american occupation soldiers in jp were taught, Officially, to say 'don't touch the moustache' <-> どういたしまして (dou itashimashite) - 'you're welcome' | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey is there a ro incarnation of the ubiqutous ww2 'song of the devil' ? | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | i know of version in fr, sp, portuguese, italian, even english | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | but is there a ro ? | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | now this i dont know. | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | marschiert in feindesland ? | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | aha it | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | if there is i dunno it. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently still marched to in modern bundeswehr... | [13:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well fiend just means enemy. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | well yes | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | mega-song, there's even a ru | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726851 << that thing is worth 200buxorz max ( and that's if in museum condition ) | [13:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 16:16 shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the relation is apt, the whole drum bun is quite it, "may you make it back out" sorta thing. | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other "independence" lulz, https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/02/rogozin-vs-romania/ | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | 'nobody in Romania uses Twitter' << srsly?! | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... the 20something hos tried in the early 2010s, which is how i ended up sucked in. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | afaik didn't get too far. | [13:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | so an exaggeration, but not that substantial. like saying "nobody in the us uses yahoo mail" | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | and what does d00d have to do to get Officially banned from eu ? | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | be part of ru govt, afaik. | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | lol! | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, the euros are retarded. they end up footing the bill for usg red pseudomilitary adventures in the middle east via hosting refugees (hey, when's the last time anyone sent 10 mn syrians to live in new fucking york, instead of germany, france etc ?) and for usg blue pseudodiplomatic misadventure in the shape of paying more for gas, selling less machinery and total real estate collapse because no more russki suckers to buy u | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | p the "valuable" resorts. | [13:56] |
| asciilifeform: | they signed up for this when swallowed the usg occupation cock in '45. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is no such thing as "signed up". greeks signed up for repaying debts when they took money, lol. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | euros are retarded is all. | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | signed up the way d00d who steps off cliff, signs up to splat | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | not in the slightest. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | signed up in the way afghan signed up to use us provided weapons to defend "us interests". | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | when you ~disband own army and instead invite in million austrogot^H^H^H^H^american d00dz instead... | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes ? | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | venice had no standing army. charles came and as he came he went. | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | standing armies in today's sense did not exist in time of venice | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course they did. | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | where ? | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | turks had them, for instance. | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | hm possibly | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik nobody else tho ? | [14:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's complicated with a matter of relative sizes and holy roman provinces, but anyway. | [14:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class. | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | these yes, landsknecht et al | [14:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Therefore, its pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government." | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [14:07] |
| asciilifeform: | https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/09/why-do-romanians-hate-and-fear-russia/ << in other lulz from link | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | come to think i actually like this guy. asciilifeform see if he wants to join ? does he have a contact ? | [14:07] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect mircea_popescu might have much better result if he, famous ro d00d, writes | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but mircea_popescu also doesn't have an email. | [14:08] |
| asciilifeform: | hmm | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | https://kingofromania.com/2015/11/22/the-odessa-tales-pt-2/ << asciilifeform found interesting. | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lollamatics, https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/08/with-friends-like-these-who-needs-enemies/ >> 'With Basescu’s personal and enthusiastic blessing, the FBI operates a field office in Bucharest with dozens of agents' etc | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | also cluj was for a time hungarian, i had nfi | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/06/lethal-ignorance/ << lulz of all fucking time, romanian emergency airflight authority can't convert decimal to traditional lng/lat notation. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey mircea_popescu had an article ! | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | about this incident | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | or was that another avoidable crash | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think it was a different one. | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | 'STS = roughly equivalent to a combination of the American NSA and NRO, the STS also manages the emergency number (112) dispatch centers' >> waiwat | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | serviciul de telecomunicatii speciale. | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | nsa certainly does not such thing tho | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's correct, it's just about it. | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform of course it does ? | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | nsa + fire department ?! | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | nsa dun have a 'we need urgent gasenwagen!111' phone hotline afaik | [14:16] |
| * asciilifeform | pictures this | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e. | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | relevant, http://trilema.com/2010/reverse-dns/#selection-155.1-152.3 | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, back to it, by the time tmsr has its own isp it will have become more of an actual country than say romania. the eu member. | [14:21] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Romania fucked up literally everything in World War 2. They lost Transylvania to their allies. The Romanian government hated Jews, tried to exterminate them, but then realized that their economy couldn’t survive without them. ' | [14:26] |
| asciilifeform: | how did that last part work | [14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja know that ancient joke that if you hear a hungarian speaking foreign languages you know he's a jew ? | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | aha? | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/2010/romanul-si-comertul/#selection-25.0-25.256 topic | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have never met in my entire life an ethnic romanian who was a competent merchant. not once, not one, not ever. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status. | [14:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently if you're a free market individualist without any regard for "the state", you're suspekt. news at 11 i guess. | [14:44] |
| ben_vulpes: | you wanna hear about fascism fuckin irs wants spousal consent for electing to treat a certain corporation a certain way | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [14:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | DON'T SIGN THE PAPERS | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | im kinda hoping they reintroduce the "village community". want you to buy a car, ask first the мир for permission. | [14:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: elaborate ? | [14:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | "baby, it is moments like this that i sincerely regret not just signing a declaration and broadcasting it to the republic" | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes at least name it Preemptive Asset Hiding Corporation For Use In Later Divorce Proceedings To Circumvent Governmental Attempts At Nationalization And Assorted Activist Judge Idiocy And Also To Make Sure The Dumb Fucking Whore And Her Repugnant Spawn Fucking Starve, Inc. | [14:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | fuckin lol | [14:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | i need a fiatcorp to make that happen like i need an uncooled 42u cabinet | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but let the empire of Named Things carry its own struggles. | [14:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: "in some circumstances", when electing to treat an llc as s-corp, irs demands spousal consent | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | those circumstances being that they are so fucking touchy about woman not getting all that she possibly could alloted her by divorce court. | [14:51] |
| asciilifeform: | https://kingofromania.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/royalewithcheese.jpg << lol | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ew | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: ianal but i was under the impression that anything within nato reich with yer name on it somewhere, is Officially confiscatable | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | corps or no corps | [14:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | well duh, but wife's signature to change tax status? | [14:58] |
| asciilifeform: | aha hilarious in light of above. why would it matter what type of corp. | [14:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | next they'll want wife's signature to lease hookers | [14:59] |
| trinque: | pretty sure it's state by state, that | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | but, horrors, what if you haven't got a wife! whatthen! | [14:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | in tangential lulz, one of the "children rescused in fbi child trafficking sting", touted as an "18 month old, rescued from sex trafficking!" was in fact hooker's baby and is now a state ward | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes from experience i find the girls pick much better hookers than i do. | [14:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: no doubt, but statal mandate that wife picks hookers?! | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, turkey had it. | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | or wait, actually, was ... previous guy's wife. | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | with any luck, your own mother. | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | if you're a sultan | [15:01] |
| trinque: | ah son of a bitch, texas is a "community property" state too | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque loller. | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: wassat ? | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole fucking point of marriage is community property. whadda ya want | [15:02] |
| trinque: | says your frou owns half of what you earn over the course of marriage | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | only half?! | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually it says that a) marriage is a corporation in which b) each spouse owns 50% and c) unless specifically excepted prior, all income of either party is assigned to it. | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | this should be taught in "civil class" or w/e they call it in hs. but in any case -- don['t mary below your station, what. | [15:03] |
| asciilifeform: | i knew a d00d who ended up in this typical meat grinder : he supplied 100% of the income, she -- 100% of the debt | [15:03] |
| asciilifeform: | guess which number had moar zeros in front. | [15:03] |
| * ben_vulpes | still extracting ongoing dowry payments | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, a slim minority of the girls actually market their own produce to the point of obtaining cash for it. i see no serious problems with this situation. | [15:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | buy 'em, own 'em, fuck 'em, put 'em to work. | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't credit the "oh, marketing is the only employee with ROI, everyone else just contributes to costs, marketing contributes to revenue". somebody's gotta make the shit you package and sell. | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | similarily, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 | [15:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | sooooo recently asciilifeform bought a 1990s-style electrodictionary for a language . and like any 1990s gadget, it also 'is a phone book, and organizer' and other misc rubbish , and this rubbish functionality required a DIFFERENT calibre of watch battery from the 2 main 3v cells. and would whine that 'memory batt low' etc, while draining main cells in MINUTES after insertion: | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | took thing apart, found that the main cells DRAIN THROUGH THE BACKUP | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | and removal of the latter turns it, suddenly, into a usable item... | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | chinese design ftw. | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | it was a serious wtf moment | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | this was actual mass-market product | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | with schoolboy-level bug | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | in pcb , no less | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | i pawed through the manual , looking for a 'do not install backup mem batt, we put that hole in while drunk' but found nope. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe it was added while drunk | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | i can't think of any explanation that doesn't involve substances. | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | funnily enough it does NOT complain 'batt low' when REMOVED | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://kingofromania.com/2014/12/03/the-curious-case-of-the-100-thousand/ << this is a delicious exercise in ignorance (from the same guy that's very carefully angered by the notion of beating women, o golly!). | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | tldr dood who knows when automobile was invented "can not see" how 100k people could have travelled "in the cold" of early december over "long distances" and "what they would have eaten". | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | notwithstanding that this is the 1900s, whereas peopel routinely travelled large distances in the cold and ate just five five centuries prior, and before that. because a) the cart of the time was intended as and functioned as a whole-family-mover, which is exactly how oregon trail happened and because the grain->bread and corn->mamaliga cycle permit something to the tune of 2mn calories per ton, ie enough to feed a family o | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | f 10 for most of a year. | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so following. | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ww1 features 100s'k of folx happily moving ~on foot~ | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | so what's the mystery here | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but whatever, "i can't see how people travelled before they had electric cars or why would a wife benefit from the occasional beating" | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform nfi. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | most of ww2 red army moved also on foot | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | and on both sides many moar horses than truck | [16:14] |
| asciilifeform: | and everybody ate, and it is not mega-mystery what they ate and how... | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose it's a case of "i came up with this theory which is mine". | [16:15] |
| asciilifeform: | theories generally oughta pass laugh test imho | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | what pantsuit theory passes laugh test ? | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're a humourless lot. | [16:16] |
| shinohai: | http://archive.is/ICNd9 <<< I'd almost bet 1 BTC some redditard suggests they put this on "The Ethereum blockchain!!!" and it wouldn't happen. | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | loller | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, ugh, that guy always stank to me of americanism of the most annoying sort and this "how could they have travelled" is precisely of that sort "oh noes, how can one WALK a MILE???" | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | he has the original well researched revisionist piece. | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically, every time he doesn't use his own gut feelings, he's tolerably in the vicinty of truth. | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | has the occasional* not original i mean. | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. the arguments he presents don't work -- travel is much more likely in a country devastated by war than in one stable. in the latter case people feed themselves by tending to their crops but if no crops, they feed themselves by... GOING TO THE MARKET. | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | that might be I guess he certainly does write at least more than the 100 words thrown at the blank page half-randomly, certainly not so sure if there is anything more than that | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is how pre-modern commerce works. | [16:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". << Well, that's sorta what walmart is in a more retarded fashion | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | maybe he suggests he would sit and starve because... no car? | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose, yeah. | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well for his good fortune he's married to some local chick, so i expect he'd just you know. | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | do what she fucking tells him to. | [16:31] |
| asciilifeform: | wait d00d is american?! | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | that'd explain buncha things | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | indeed. | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | so he's the... ro version of 'otaku' ?! | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, it's a large country. richer than the us per capita, and certainly culturally stronger. so... | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, i suppose so. | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | nuts | [16:34] |
| asciilifeform: | rotaku | [16:34] |
| phf: | i think i heard it called a "cultural honkey" | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, guess so, huh he'd find out quickly "how is it possible" lol | [16:34] |
| phf: | i.e. wigger, otaku, etc | [16:34] |
| asciilifeform: | roaboo | [16:34] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or see generic 'xenopatriot' pg on dramatica or was it the ru one ) | [16:35] |
| hanbot: | Untill and unless I / Until | [16:39] |
| hanbot: | ^ in latest trilema, i mean, mircea_popescu | [16:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | I thought thos were synonyms | [16:40] |
| hanbot: | they're syllollyms | [16:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | AeohAOH! | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | aty\ | [16:41] |
| hanbot: | anyway having spent a few years fulfilling copywriting specs i'll admit a fair amount of the work was absorbed in weighing whether a given spec-producer seemed likely to pull the penny-revision stuff | [16:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [16:42] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform I guess I can vouch now for FG being "safe for kids" - 5 yo spotted one on my desk and asked the usual ton of questions BUT he figured out by himself that "it has a manual too, look!" | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [16:48] |
| shinohai: | "I am disappoint Mom, took this out to pasture and it did not fuck goat" | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does... | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha shinohai | [16:49] |
| mod6: | haha | [16:50] |
| shinohai: | o hai mod6 | [16:50] |
| mod6: | how goes shinohai! | [16:50] |
| shinohai: | Toiling away in Eulora here, u? | [16:51] |
| phf: | diana_coman: did you also explain the logo? | [16:51] |
| mod6: | shinohai: werd. about to log back in actually & checkout the mining today | [16:52] |
| shinohai: | sweet | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | phf, neah, he ignored the logo entirely | [16:52] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: i wanted to add your mpi to btcbase patches, but realized that it's not a valid vpatch, since it doesn't have a genesis. i'll add an exception to mechanisms (right now it just 404's and all kinds of broken, basically), but! | [16:53] |
| phf: | fwiw current patches convention is that genesis-less vpatch is rendered as a purple box with an arrow coming in, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated but when it's only one it's not working | [16:54] |
| phf: | diana_coman: right, i guess it doesn't have any symbolic value, when there's no underlying concept associated with it | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | phf, quite basically "white squiggles" from his point of view atm really he noticed the letters, yes, because those he recognises as symbols but otherwise in any case, screws and cables way more interesting | [17:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Do you routinely take hime to the good playgorund (i.e. the hardware store)? | [17:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo, not yet hardware store as such, no he does get to see though anything that is going on (computers being operated on included), he does get to help with anything that he is able to atm and he does get to assemble his own stuff (the most recent of which is a fully functional water pump model thing that kept him busy for days as per http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2017/10/08/lictis-plictis-ori-boala-copilariei/ (poor | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | q picture in there) | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | to take apart his own stuff too, lol important this one | [17:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | Very cool. | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf don't add fucking exceptions wtf. | [17:59] |
| shinohai: | lol in otc - 16:19 +joecool or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by. | [18:04] |
| asciilifeform: | waaaaitasec phf , whaddayamean no genesis ?! | [18:39] |
| asciilifeform: | >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << subj | [18:40] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case ) | [18:41] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 21:09 BingoBoingo: In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm | [18:41] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727076 << 'throws imaginary coin very, very quickly' | [18:42] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 20:49 diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does... | [18:42] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727094 << 5 is when they started asciilifeform on englishism | [18:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 21:10 diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet | [18:44] |
| * asciilifeform | remembers the copybook : 'a wolf sits under a tree and sings a long song' etc | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, good idea actually I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?" | [18:44] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: imho otp is actually simple enough to teach a kid | [18:44] |
| asciilifeform: | can show with pennies on a table | [18:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ' if these pair are opposite -- this is a 1 ' etc | [18:45] |
| * asciilifeform | not pro pedagogue | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | it is, yes it just did not make it to the top of the pile really | [18:45] |
| asciilifeform: | this is how asciilifeform's brother taught him, with various household detritus | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol | [18:47] |
| asciilifeform: | i have perelman's 'Живая математика', ended up making the cardano grille , making & breaking the usual caesar cipher, etc | [18:47] |
| asciilifeform: | was riotously fun | [18:48] |
| diana_coman: | hah, I can pass it on to his father then !! | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water. | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | secrets are big at that age and especially for girlz. | [18:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727102 << I am still looking for both higher density pcengines apartments as well as beefier AMD boards | [18:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-19 22:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case ) | [18:49] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: you don't ~want~ them in too high density | [18:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: That is what fans are for | [18:50] |
| asciilifeform: | the other problem with those is that they have no heat sink from vendor other than a little aluminum shim that depends on the stock iron case being there | [18:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | Hence beefy fans with lots of gang noise | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | when you bolt'em to an iron sheet, it gets pressed, so can still use it, but need the iron sheet | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: fans do jack w/out heatspreader | [18:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Plenty of places to get little aluminum heatsinks | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | no mounting holes | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | it has to be pressed by whole board bolted to sumthing, on that one. | [18:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | conductive epoxy | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | potentially. | [18:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | One cannot simply assume a world in 2017 without jbweld, much as one cannot assume a world in 1800 without procelain tile | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | heavy heatsink held with conductive epoxy is in asciilifeform's experience more often than not a recipe for ripping the chip from the board, balls, tracks, and all | [18:55] |
| asciilifeform: | you gotta mechanically decouple the thing from the board somehow | [18:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ever wonder why even cheapest shit cpu for pc never used heatsink held with epoxy ? ) | [18:56] |
| asciilifeform: | certainly not since cyrix 486 at any rate | [18:57] |
| BingoBoingo: | Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron | [19:00] |
| asciilifeform: | lol it's a small opteron | [19:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Of dubious up to date node running ability | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo use hot&spicy fucklube. | [19:02] |
| asciilifeform: | it's approx same as 'zoolag' | [19:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: It's same generation as my mainbox E350 but slower. E350 vulnerable to high block processing times even with 31337 SSD attached | [19:03] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: and so was dulap, a recent intel with 256G ram and 32core | [19:04] |
| asciilifeform: | it's ~entirely i/o-bound | [19:04] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-little-shit/ << Trilema - The story of the little shit | [19:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | Except for those mega signature stuffed blocks | [19:06] |
| asciilifeform: | still i/o-bound | [19:08] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: see my measurements patch, and output, on the ml. | [19:08] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up ascii_in_orcland | [19:27] |
| deedbot: | ascii_in_orcland voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:27] |
| ascii_in_orcland: | !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bIUbA/?raw=true | [19:27] |
| deedbot: | 76F814216BE3CF14AC31E0993B73837D67163DBA registered as ascii_in_orcland. | [19:27] |
| asciilifeform: | !!rate ascii_in_orcland 1 a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within | [19:28] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zGyUM/?raw=true | [19:28] |
| asciilifeform: | !!v 33D562770A1D875C86DEF14AB67A890D9A0DF335D383E3F3F5C0173FE1F36327 | [19:29] |
| deedbot: | asciilifeform rated ascii_in_orcland 1 << a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within | [19:29] |
| asciilifeform: | !!down ascii_in_orcland | [19:30] |
| ascii_in_orcland: | apologies for the l0gznoise. this box will not speak again unless my bouncer fails. but all gpggrams to end of the month should be addressed to this key, or reply will have to wait until nov 1. | [19:31] |
| asciilifeform: | thaaat was surprisingly painless. kudos to trinque . | [19:34] |
| mod6: | thanks for the update | [19:36] |
| asciilifeform: | i go tomorrow, but did not want to save this for last hour. | [19:37] |
| shinohai: | Bon voyage asciilifeform ! | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | ty shinohai . | [19:39] |
| mod6: | happy travels, Sir. | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | will be interesting. | [19:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | business or pleasure, asciilifeform ? | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | bizeasure | [19:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | interesting indeed | [19:50] |
| mod6: | !!59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6 | [19:58] |
| mod6: | !!v 59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6 | [19:58] |
| deedbot: | mod6 rated wyatt06 1 << Eulora | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such. | [20:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ? | [20:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai you around ? | [20:32] |
| shinohai: | mircea_popescu: present | [20:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in early rail locomotion, http://www.tikiwebgroup.com/fingeredorfucked/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/tumblr_ksrlkrr6uQ1qzaz2ro1_12801.jpg | [20:54] |
| shinohai: | "What, 1435mm is all you got son?" | [21:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | kek | [21:01] |
| shinohai: | In other "Nobody could have predicted" http://archive.is/wTi4C | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | awww | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | "here's a list of a half dozen tards who paid some scammers way too much money to be named in an inept piece in random fiat fake news outlet" | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | "*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too. | [21:26] |
| shinohai: | The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though. | [21:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia | [21:31] |
| * shinohai | searches for `Lyftlandia` .... | [21:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging | [21:42] |
| shinohai: | Dem romance languages | [21:44] |
| * BingoBoingo | learns a lot reading ad copy | [21:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | And power tool manuals | [21:50] |
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