Forum logs for 17 Apr 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
trinque: back in a moment. [01:21]
trinque: $key mike_c [02:02]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/67434e09-5887-4a57-a817-0afd6e69d9d5/ [02:04]
trinque: mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/779cbc56-d250-4897-b489-a98304f60233/ [02:12]
mircea_popescu: sooo, freenode is patently going to shit. their dns round robin list is about half as long as it used to be, with stuff in the same subnet even, never seen before. and half the shit dun work, like say 185.30.166/24 [04:17]
mircea_popescu: possibly why deedbot's gone, also. [04:17]
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing we'll see the end of it soon enough at this rate. [04:18]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be off to bed. laters. [04:19]
PeterL: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2016#2079403 << The Pb waters are in Flint, 60 miles north of Detroit, and I live in neither, I live another 60 miles north of that [08:50]
PeterL: shinohai: I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit. [08:51]
PeterL: or 100 km for you metric-usnig folk, that's actually a nicer number, I should have started with that. [09:06]
danielpbarron: $rated nubbins` [09:19]
deedbot: danielpbarron has not rated nubbins`. [09:19]
danielpbarron: later tell trinque ^ ?? [09:19]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [09:19]
danielpbarron: later tell nubbins` I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to send those two s.nsa shirts you already took payment for.. [09:20]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [09:20]
PeterL: might be becasue of capitalization? I think he said there were issues with that [09:20]
shinohai: $unrate PeterL [09:43]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e9ab93a5-497d-40fe-951c-c8d39a2e6f15/ [09:43]
shinohai: $v 07A21E5321F96CDA4DBCFA4CFC4F08D34410E12B8FC3D1DF2A091EB35E5B2887 [09:44]
deedbot: shinohai unrated PeterL. [09:44]
shinohai: ticker [09:44]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.92, Best ask: 428.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 428.93, 24 hour volume: 5861.59797194, 24 hour low: 428.0, 24 hour high: 433.49, 24 hour vwap: None [09:44]
asciilifeform: funny how folks remain interested, somehow, in this number, though it comes from the heathens. [09:47]
asciilifeform: and for all i know, is fictional entirely [09:47]
PeterL: do you have a better source? [09:48]
asciilifeform: not only do i not, [09:48]
asciilifeform: but there is (nor ever likely to be) a fiatola-btc exchange in wot [09:48]
PeterL: too bad -otc died [09:49]
asciilifeform: but that changes nothing. [09:49]
asciilifeform: was it even alive? [09:49]
PeterL: not sure, maybe sorta before my time here? [09:49]
asciilifeform: i have nfi [09:50]
* asciilifeform did try to use otc on numerous occasions, never once made the desired deal. but - must note - was trying to purchase rarities. [09:51]
asciilifeform: the closest i ever came was when nubbins took up my offer re the btc src b00k [09:52]
asciilifeform: later tell danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453171 << you can have however many i have here or any subset for the cost of shipping - and i think i now have all of the remaining ones. [09:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-17 13:20 danielpbarron: later tell nubbins` I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to send those two s.nsa shirts you already took payment for.. [09:54]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [09:54]
danielpbarron: yeah that was the deal i had with nubbins: a couple shirts for cost of shipping, and i paid for it before you had even expressed interest [10:04]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, gimme a quote on a small box of them, like a dozen or so [10:06]
danielpbarron: regarding -otc, i made several thousands of dollars worth of trades through there, but in retrospect i think i just got lucky that none of them went sour [10:08]
danielpbarron: one of the guys i dealt with ended up flipping out over nothing and has been recently nagging me in private messages asking for copies of our signed contracts [10:09]
PeterL: is trading over -otc really comparable to trading over an exchange? seems like the exchange is much more usefull for generating a spot price? [10:09]
PeterL: danielpbarron: were any of your trades at prices different from the current exchange price? [10:10]
danielpbarron: yeah, i usually paid a premium [10:11]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i cannot answer for nubs. but afaik i have all of the remaining shirts here, and very little use for them currently. [10:12]
asciilifeform: presently i intend to pass them out at next trilema-conf, whenever that is. [10:12]
asciilifeform: and/or wrap cardanos in them. [10:13]
asciilifeform: i still have even a few from the original crate! [10:14]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453196 << i will weigh them next chance i get and report back [10:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-17 14:06 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, gimme a quote on a small box of them, like a dozen or so [10:15]
davout: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452605 [10:20]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-15 08:50 davout: re x.eur -> http://dpaste.com/0080X96.txt [10:20]
davout: asciilifeform: you should send me a couple if you're going to the post office anyway for danielpbarron [10:26]
davout: jurov: can you give me a foundation address? foundation will be owed .1337 btc after the bitbet receivership is done [10:27]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453210 << usgpost dun wurk on sundays. [10:28]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-17 14:26 davout: asciilifeform: you should send me a couple if you're going to the post office anyway for danielpbarron [10:28]
davout: sure sure no rush at all [10:28]
asciilifeform: davout: pgpgram post addr, i will get to a post in the week [10:29]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: also ^ [10:30]
davout: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/28SQNVC.txt, feel free to include a cardano in the box :D [10:33]
danielpbarron: $key asciilifeform [10:33]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/816335a4-a4a6-4478-ba69-3a0f863ef507/ [10:34]
danielpbarron: later tell asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/ascii-shirts.asc.txt [10:40]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [10:40]
shinohai: Here davout you can order my cardano unit for 1 BTC :D https://transfer.sh/awCtD/cardano.jpg [10:40]
* shinohai ***some assembly required. [10:40]
danielpbarron: assembly just to get the image apparently [10:41]
asciilifeform: l0l [10:43]
mircea_popescu: hhhola! [11:49]
jurov: davout the addy is here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html [11:56]
asciilifeform: hola señor popescu..! [11:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read this http://trilema.com/2009/sfarsitul-lumii and it reminded me of the other, more recent trilema article re: the drowned nyc vault with the trillion in paperz [11:58]
mircea_popescu: haha remember that ? epic shit. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: "oh we lost some trillions of... copies of... some papers we printed. problem ?" [11:58]
asciilifeform: i have actually nfi, but at the time i could not help but wonder how much of the jpmization of american bankz was engineered via precisely that kind of 'physical jubilee' [12:00]
mircea_popescu: certainly all of it. [12:00]
asciilifeform: 'oops we rm -rf / 'd the capital allocationz. all mine now' [12:00]
mircea_popescu: can't have central planning without "anti money laundering" [12:00]
mircea_popescu: soviets know. [12:00]
asciilifeform: and certainly every orcish pesthole where they ever burned a gestapo archive with stoolie idents, knows. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: PeterL> http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2016#2079403 << The Pb waters are in Flint, 60 miles north of Detroit, and I live in neither, I live another 60 miles north of that << distance is not the relevant criteria. height is. are you upstream or downstream lol [12:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-16 00:50 shinohai: I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit. [12:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> was it even alive? << yes. before i left, amusingly enough. i still have teh archivez somewhere, but we opted not to integrate 'em. [12:07]
asciilifeform: i read some of the available material ( mircea_popescu must've posted it ?) but all i saw were btc-fiatola dealz [12:07]
asciilifeform: ~nothing else [12:07]
asciilifeform: (aside from sc4mz0r1ng attempts) [12:08]
mircea_popescu: it was early tmsr, not even by that name, plus a lot of gunk. [12:08]
asciilifeform: like the uranium, then, in the sea. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, should anyone care to see what a "full license" looks in the windows/www world, here you go : https://www.cryengine.com/get-cryengine/full-license [12:09]
mircea_popescu: testimonials + client list + call to action for a shitty spamform. problem ? [12:09]
asciilifeform: this is typical 'software industreeee' [12:10]
asciilifeform: and the more rancid the beggar, the louder shakes the cup [12:10]
mircea_popescu: it'd seem to my naive, unworldly eye that there's nothing below that ? [12:12]
mircea_popescu: how are they going to make it even shittier ? [12:12]
asciilifeform: nah it means same thing as manhole cover stamped 'sewer' [12:12]
asciilifeform: ... that, unless you are a paid plumber, you do not ~want~ to open and see. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: maybe next step in degeneracy is a page consisting of pictures of cats. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lmao don't tell me, the self-elected defender of public interest split with some spare change. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and/or wrap cardanos in them. << more or less was the original plan yeh. but don't be shy, give to friends. [12:23]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453211 << win. [12:28]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-17 14:27 davout: jurov: can you give me a foundation address? foundation will be owed .1337 btc after the bitbet receivership is done [12:28]
mircea_popescu: tho, was it 1% or .1% ? iirc the latter neh ? someone hiked the tax 1000% last year ?! [12:28]
mircea_popescu: fucking republic, tax goes up 10x, nobody as much as notices. [12:29]
mircea_popescu: empire tries to get a pesky extra 1%, all hell breaks loose. [12:30]
davout: i'm from socialist france, 1% sounds like a terrific deal [12:31]
mircea_popescu: hey, no law against overpaying. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: or against underpaying, come to think about it... [12:34]
mircea_popescu: trinque here's a thought : would it be possible to have deedbot- (or i guess its successor) pm a link to whoever sent it a deed once that deed has been included in a block ? [12:39]
mircea_popescu: obviously some assembly required, but it'd help loads. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: doesn't even have to be pm, actually. could also say here, "hey X, your deed was notarized : url" [12:39]
mircea_popescu: possibly better this way. [12:39]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453160 <<< sadly, yes. [16:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-17 08:17 mircea_popescu: sooo, freenode is patently going to shit. their dns round robin list is about half as long as it used to be, with stuff in the same subnet even, never seen before. and half the shit dun work, like say 185.30.166/24 [16:29]
phf: i've been nursing hangover all day, waking up every few hours to both my bouncer and my bot being down [19:32]
phf: in fact nc -v chat.freenode.net 6667 from the bouncer host is giving me connection timeout, but this random connection works :o [19:35]
mircea_popescu: phf aha it's been shit. [20:52]
phf: i think i'm going to punt on bot fleet, and just focus on robust reconnect. worst thing is trying to powercycle a bot connection, while the room is spinning [20:56]
mircea_popescu: bot fleet is not a bad idea but premature. [20:57]
trinque: irc is terrible I just told mine to kill itself and be restarted by runit when *anything* weird happens at all [21:10]
trinque: seems to be working I have the exceptions logged, so if there are any that are worth fixing in a smarter way I'll have that information. [21:11]
trinque: but whether SSL took a shit or ping timed out or... really has no bearing on what I'm going to do next [21:11]
* trinque tips hat to erlang [21:11]
mike_c: that bot is like blinding fast [21:13]
mike_c: phf: what's the database name? [21:13]
mike_c: need it to connect [21:14]
phf: what database [21:14]
mike_c: that feels like a trick question. the one with the ratings [21:14]
mike_c: you gave me server, etc. but not DB name [21:14]
trinque: you're drunk mike_c [21:14]
trinque: I gave you that :P [21:14]
mike_c: sweet jesus [21:14]
phf: indeed [21:14]
mike_c: in my log it says: "trinque: what's the database name?" [21:15]
mike_c: I don't know what you guys are smoking [21:15]
trinque: what [21:15]
mike_c: :) [21:15]
trinque: lol [21:15]
mike_c: so, something that isn't there is 'last seen' [21:18]
mike_c: which can be useful [21:18]
trinque: yeah, prolly as a command too [21:19]
mike_c: and 'registered', which is.. somewhat useful as well [21:19]
mircea_popescu: trinque there's something very deeply wrong about a system in which "what happened" has no bearing on "what to do next". [21:19]
trinque: probably terribly worded on my part. [21:23]
trinque: all the condtions which result in losing my connection ought to be followed by re-establishing that connection [21:23]
* BingoBoingo prefers the days of epic netsplits to this bullshit [21:29]
trinque: http://dpaste.com/25X3X3P.txt << meanwhile this is apparently what #freenode is for [21:32]
asciilifeform: soo seems like fleas of fleanode are bitin' lately? [21:34]
BingoBoingo: took hours for a reconnect to hit after the last time I was bumped off [21:35]
asciilifeform: hours?? [21:35]
BingoBoingo: yes [21:36]
phf: same with my bouncer, it's back up, but "chat.freenode.org" was giving me timeouts since about 1pm to 7pm EST [21:36]
BingoBoingo: For reconnect roulette to hook a live freenode [21:36]
asciilifeform: do you have a hardcoded x.fleanode or do you use the chat.fleanode.. randomizer ? [21:36]
asciilifeform: ah [21:36]
BingoBoingo: randomizer atm [21:36]
phf: wolfe has always been pretty reliable, and i think that's where randomizer's been putting me [21:37]
asciilifeform: chat.f is a screaming singlepointoffailure [21:40]
asciilifeform: but whole thing is pretty rotten. [21:40]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452694 << i reworked search a bit, it now has handy nav, shows 100 and lets you nav through the whole history [21:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-15 16:03 mircea_popescu: phf a) can has 100 rather than 20 finds for search ? b) http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon&page=16 is last page notwithstanding that 16 * 20 !> 500 [21:43]
mircea_popescu: lovely. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: did you try cabbage juice btw ? [21:44]
mircea_popescu: trinque no i don't think YOU're the problem. i think ircd is the fucking problem. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of gnny sgt hartmann, i had no idea they stacked shit this high! [21:45]
trinque: yeah, no kidding. [21:46]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't a tall pile of shit, by modern standards, but ~does~ feature ssltronics [21:46]
asciilifeform: which handily suffices [21:46]
asciilifeform: to drown in. [21:46]
mircea_popescu: in this case the dns round robin went to shit i suspec. [21:46]
asciilifeform: how does the chat.fn thing actually work? [21:47]
asciilifeform: i was under the notion that it was a one specific box, which then redirects [21:47]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i don't use dns. [21:47]
mircea_popescu: ah no, it's handled as a round robin. you ask for it, dns server gives you the least loaded ip [21:47]
mircea_popescu: at least in theory. but then they went from 20ish entries to like 9. [21:47]
phf: yeah if you do nc -v chat.freenode.org 6667 couple of times it gives you different ips [21:50]
mircea_popescu: and something to interest the CA fans in the audience : http://trilema.com/2016/euloran-biology/#footnote_3_65938 [21:55]
mircea_popescu: o wow i suspect this means i wrote over 65k footnotes to date [22:01]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [23:35]
gribble: Current Blocks: 407789 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1458 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [23:35]
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