Forum logs for 14 Jul 2016
| trinque: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-13-jul-2016#2129247 << only as imposed by resource constraints. If the deps don't make it through the process I'll be at the keyboard tomorrow and will help make it happen. | [00:03] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 02:11 mod6: trinque: is there a max length for deeds? (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large) | [00:03] |
| trinque: | mp's gnupg made it through, was a couple megs | [00:04] |
| trinque: | what's an order of magnitude or two ?! | [00:04] |
| * trinque | afk | [00:06] |
| deedbot: | [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] KidPoker - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/13/kidpoker/ | [01:09] |
| shinohai: | later tell http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected. | [07:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual" | [07:04] |
| gribble: | Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input. | [07:04] |
| shinohai: | later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected. | [07:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual" | [07:04] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [07:04] |
| shinohai: | gm #trilema, sorry 4 spam | [07:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection. | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo ^ | [09:04] |
| shinohai: | kiwi has sexy cli version that is easy on eyes. | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | freenode put in that pos google captcha at some point | [09:21] |
| deedbot: | [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The security implications of Pokemon Go. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/14/the-security-implications-of-pokemon-go/ | [09:24] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: there's no captcha for the kiwiirc webchat thing only if your ip request is quite unique etc. if you e.g. go from tor (*ducks*) then you get presented with the lovely cloudflare captcha where you have to solve shit for multiple times until you pass. but at least no default captcha i guess | [09:28] |
| Framedragger: | ah, actually freenode blocks connection eventually anyway since tor node in dnsbl and whatnot, so that's not a good argument anyway i guess | [09:30] |
| shinohai: | freenode make you use the dreaded sasl connection for tor | [09:35] |
| Framedragger: | kiwiirc is pretty, yeah! | [09:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: I've never used it, but ok | [09:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | qntra about and contact pages changed over | [09:48] |
| shinohai: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502851 <<< hey looks good | [09:50] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 13:48 BingoBoingo: qntra about and contact pages changed over | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger honestly, that it supports tor seems to me a counter argument to using anything. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo cool. | [10:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | brb, gotta get bar and chain oil | [10:15] |
| deedbot: | [Trilema] It is a "no brainer"! - http://trilema.com/2016/it-is-a-no-brainer/ | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other artist's studio news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/ff0632038cc637b901f130fc624d758f/tumblr_n7ai7iixeM1r2sy0fo1_500.gif | [11:52] |
| asciilifeform: | l0ltr0n | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | no it's totally how it goes! | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ask anyone from the art school freshman class. | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502841 << what was wrong with the old chat ? | [11:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 13:04 mircea_popescu: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection. | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | google captcha. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | new one has no such ? | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | not that i've seen. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | also chat thing is a bunch of js, what's to keep us from hosting same, sans captcha etc. ? | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~nothing. | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just a form. | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | person wants to update the page, they have buttons just like anyone else. | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | how would you implement irc client in | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | 'pure html' ? | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | the chat line is a submit form, goes to chat bot. | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | the rest is a static page. | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | so all connections happen on server side ? | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | reloads on browser reload. | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | fleanode will ban it. | [11:58] |
| shinohai: | this looks rich http://archive.is/Q260I | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [11:58] |
| trilema-webchat: | my client #62 says : "hi folks how are you" | [11:58] |
| trilema-webchat: | my client #17 says : "i am the real dao attacker" | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | they'll ban the ip, and come up with some idiot excuse | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | or just silently drop packets etc. | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | what sense does what you're saying make ? | [11:59] |
| asciilifeform: | the same sense the behaviour of my trb node's upstream makes. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes but it is verboten to engineer on the basis of nonsense. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | you may not make predictions on the basis of not understood behaviour! | [11:59] |
| asciilifeform: | this is like forbidding ship builder to consider water. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | or spacecraft - vacuum. | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, it is forbiding him to consider REMOTE CONTROLLED water. | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, "personalized waves" | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | and a depth charge is...? | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | note that irrespective of the merits of the personalized waves theory, this forbidance is nevertheless productive. | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | it makes the shipwright a shipwright rather than a strange sort of shaman. | [12:01] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate, the web message box is a useful thing, and in fact the only way for heathens to talk into gossipd transmitter in the future. | [12:01] |
| asciilifeform: | so it will have to happen. | [12:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. dunno who'd be looking for something like that to do, lessee... | [12:02] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes ? | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes how about running a bot ? | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha! | [12:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | hm? | [12:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh | [12:50] |
| * ben_vulpes | reads thread | [12:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes may be entertained to learn that asciilifeform finally has cnc machine. | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ancient thing, needs new steppers, but otherwise clean. | [12:59] |
| asciilifeform: | even came with isa (yes) card for dos (yes) box to drive the old steppers (dead) | [12:59] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: neat, have a particular project you're going to mill? | [13:02] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: a number of back-burner items. | [13:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: entertained and excited! | [13:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: did you ever deed deedbot's source? | [13:05] |
| trinque: | nope | [13:05] |
| trinque: | not opposed but haven't | [13:05] |
| trinque: | lemme work on cleaving the commands from the botstuff and then I can give ya the sauce if you want it | [13:06] |
| trinque: | er actually I posted an older version at some point didn't I? | [13:07] |
| * ben_vulpes | has a fuzzy memory, is on the road though and not disposed to dig it up | [13:08] |
| trinque: | old anyway, I'll let ya know when, and it'll be in the form of a signed vpatch | [13:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: lowers the energy barrier for me to do the thing mircea_popescu and asciilifeform were talking about | [13:09] |
| * ben_vulpes | not particularly disposed to write an irc bot either | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc he posted it a while ago | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | as a paste | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | but i have nfi how many bugs ago it was. | [13:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | i probably have it on disk somewhere | [13:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | but yes, old. | [13:10] |
| Apocalyptic: | would anyone here be interested in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545613 ? | [13:42] |
| deedbot: | [Daniel P. Barron] Who saw this wonder? - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/who-saw-this-wonder/ | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha | [13:52] |
| * asciilifeform | falls down. | [13:52] |
| jurov: | i'm wondering how this is ever a $100 project, too | [13:53] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time | [13:53] |
| ben_vulpes: | why do you want this, Apocalyptic ? | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: depending on whether you want to implement a useful sat-solver, it could easily take years. | [13:54] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: I don't want a solver | [13:54] |
| Apocalyptic: | I just want the problem as a CNF file | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: i assume you read the original 'satcoin' paper ? | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | $s satcoin | [13:55] |
| a111: | 19 results for "satcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=satcoin | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-04#368163 << thread. | [13:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2013-11-04 16:00 asciilifeform: satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html | [13:56] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: oh, interesting | [13:57] |
| Apocalyptic: | ben_vulpes: fun | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: the idea's been kicking around for a long time. | [13:58] |
| Apocalyptic: | jurov: well i'm all ears as to why it isn't | [13:58] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: I assure you I don't plan to apply this to bitcoin mining, even though It did cross my mind to just try how it would fare in comparison | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | it is the obvious application, along with pw cracking | [13:59] |
| Apocalyptic: | indeed | [13:59] |
| jurov: | Apocalyptic: have you actually read that pdf? | [14:00] |
| Apocalyptic: | jurov: the one I linked in that post ? yes | [14:00] |
| jurov: | to cite: "We tried several standard approaches for computing the cnf equivalent of the formula H, but all of them failed even for relatively small message lengths" | [14:01] |
| jurov: | which is exactly the task what you want to be doen for $100, I understand? | [14:01] |
| Apocalyptic: | jurov: they managed to do it eventually | [14:01] |
| Apocalyptic: | see the paragraph I'm referring to, and they even posted benchmark results as graph for collision resistance and preimage problems | [14:02] |
| Apocalyptic: | so I guess they had something running and didn't pull them out of their ass | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: you linked a very different paper! about md5 | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | or is that the one you want cnf for | [14:02] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: the approach is hash-agnostic | [14:03] |
| Apocalyptic: | if you have a prog to build the cnf for md5, you can build it for any similarly based hash function | [14:03] |
| jurov: | did this jovanovic actually publish it? | [14:04] |
| Apocalyptic: | publish what ? | [14:04] |
| Apocalyptic: | I should maybe mention that I actually mailed these scientists, and they replied! | [14:05] |
| Apocalyptic: | Saying they no longer have the code, as it's been 10 years | [14:05] |
| jurov: | operator overloading will get you some list "operator X was called on some values Y,Z, result is R" at best | [14:06] |
| jurov: | but that is easy. producing a code to correctly convert that to cnf is the problem | [14:07] |
| Apocalyptic: | from the satcoin pape: "The implementation of the above program generates a large CNF formula with about 250'000 variables and 850'000 clauses." I wonder how much lower these numbers would be for a single iteration of sha256 | [14:16] |
| Apocalyptic: | jurov: afaik that part is explained in the paper too | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: quite likely, higher. | [14:20] |
| * trinque | caught up on logs | [14:24] |
| trinque: | ben_vulpes: yeah, I'll get you bot source soon | [14:24] |
| trinque: | ben_vulpes: you'll be happy to know the thing both writes messages to a table and reads messages to send from an outbound table | [14:25] |
| trinque: | so the chat page will involve perhaps 1 select, 1 insert | [14:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | that *does* sound nifty. | [14:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | hoho | [14:26] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: higher number of variables and clauses ? how does that even make sense ? | [14:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | trinque: no rush, i've got other irons in the fire that still need pounding. | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | Apocalyptic: sha2 has more moving parts, neh ? | [14:27] |
| trinque: | ben_vulpes: yeh I want to make it tidy enough to share | [14:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | subject only of pounding: https://www.amazon.com/Pokebutt-Go-Pounded-Em-All-ebook/dp/B01IAGH4VI/ | [14:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | chuck tingle makes me want to write an erotica shannonizer | [14:28] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: the figure is for sha256(sha256()) | [14:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | use sales as feedback | [14:28] |
| Apocalyptic: | and i'm comparing to a single iteration of sha256()... so less moving parts | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | then possibly | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | but my advice, before you 'won't somebody do this for $100' to try it yourself | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | and see if it's an hour's of undergrad work, or not. | [14:29] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: actually reading the satcoin link you provided I don't think it's a worthy endeavour to explore anymore | [14:30] |
| Apocalyptic: | as for try it yourself, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere | [14:30] |
| Apocalyptic: | maybe it could be done for a heavily round-reduced sha2 | [14:33] |
| jurov: | it certainly has been done. and surely they converted the algorithm by hand, instead of crude C++ hacking. | [14:35] |
| Apocalyptic: | for the lulz, the Angell guy that signed up sent me, I kid you not, a copy/pasted code of a public github repo which consisted of a SAT-solver that doesn't even build | [14:37] |
| asciilifeform: | big fat surprise - you pretend to pay, folks pretend to work. | [14:37] |
| Apocalyptic: | scrapped the headers/copyrights from the files, and ad "using namespace Apocalyptic", r, rewriting half of the prototype functions with my nick | [14:38] |
| asciilifeform: | this is not a $100 job, nor a job for forum-dwelling pond scum | [14:38] |
| Apocalyptic: | asciilifeform: I figured | [14:38] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] Mark Karpelès Released on Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/07/mark-karpeles-released-on-bail/ | [14:38] |
| asciilifeform: | http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/pennsylvania-man-impregnated-girl-gifted-to-him-when-she-was-14-criminal-complaint << lel, harem usa-style | [15:21] |
| asciilifeform: | 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.' | [15:22] |
| jurov: | https://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/berliners-defy-massive-siege-by-police-defending-rigaer-94-and-autonomous-revolution-from-market-gentrification/ meanwhile in berlin | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against | [15:24] |
| asciilifeform: | from linked article | [15:25] |
| jurov: | squatters vs. police | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ah | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | in other nyooz from earlier rag, u.s. fbi gives up on finding the famous cooper: http://ktla.com/2016/07/12/d-b-cooper-45-years-after-infamous-skyjacking-fbi-closes-case-on-200000-unsolved-mystery | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | (fella who held a plane for ransom in '71, and jumped from parachute) | [15:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | bc,stats | [15:54] |
| gribble: | Current Blocks: 420734 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 609 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [15:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | ticker --market all | [15:54] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 661.82, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 649.74, vol: 5259.33044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.94, vol: 20850.12588235 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 659.715056, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 661.45, vol: 1115.81782495 | Volume-weighted last average: 659.378042634 | [15:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | ticker --market all --currency gbp | [15:54] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 496.298818, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 487.240026, vol: 5259.33044 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 469.4374, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 498.31418, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 505.0, vol: 82.78044979 | Volume-weighted last average: 496.452234169 | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502928 << the expression is "this is easy if you know what you're doing". rather typical for web "frelancing" crud. | [16:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 17:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502931 << if in the future you manage to not overestimate tardstalk.org i'll be ever so grateful to you. | [16:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 17:53 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | $rated Apocalyptic | [16:09] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu rated Apocalyptic 2 at 2014/10/31 17:01:32 << ex-x-bt.com | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | $rate Apocalyptic -1 ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take. | [16:10] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0cda5120-2ee0-4e87-8b6b-2facad54a624/ | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | $v 51B4D0A4E9B9E4963AFD3063A5F7DD49A3D71C6F6DC7AF3A0C98539A02CE468E | [16:10] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu updated rating of Apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take. | [16:10] |
| Apocalyptic: | mircea_popescu: hey, indeed I tremendously overestimated tardstalk | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | happens. | [16:14] |
| Apocalyptic: | but hey it was been educational, at least I know I won't ever be going there to get work done | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | or here. | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established. | [16:21] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 19:22 asciilifeform: 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.' | [16:21] |
| Apocalyptic: | funny how this experience makes me persona non grata | [16:22] |
| shinohai: | tardstalk looks like Filipinos came in and took a giant sig-spam shit everywhere. | [16:23] |
| shinohai: | Can't find anything there. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... because they did. | [16:23] |
| Apocalyptic: | shinohai: can't agree more | [16:23] |
| Apocalyptic: | I haven't been there in ages, most posts are pure non-sense to increase post counts for signature campaigns | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | Apocalyptic you can plead ignorance all you want. lalala check me out, i'm going to pretend like this doesn't exist and here's tardstalk, seriously. then if you get whacked for it play the victim ? get fucked already, this isn't how it's played. | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | now stfu before i feel the need to also silence your dumb ass. | [16:24] |
| Apocalyptic: | mircea_popescu: I'm not pleading ignorance | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502999 << "this place should not be used by group X but by group Y according to the who-has-more-euros() function results" "fuck you, you just print the euros, they don't reflect any substantive relation". | [16:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 19:24 asciilifeform: jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the protest. | [16:27] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: suddenly it makes sense. we have these here. | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503025 << devil knows! hence link. | [16:57] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 20:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established. | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't even say i don't sympathise with the hipsters. | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | they do have a point, euros can stand as no basis for resource allocation and the euro legal system has absolutely no business intervening in this sort of dispute. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | their lot is abstract nonsense, let them pass judgement on the pressing matter of how many angles fit on a pinhead and such. | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | so how to settle dispute? gladiators ? | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | any other way. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | currently, apparently, yes. gladiators. | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | the money printin' folk can print a truckload, hire moar gladiator. | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | problem is not thus solved. | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | "hire" | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | the other side can deficit spend JUST as well. | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's all ideological motivated, in the same way to the exact same end. | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | what will it spend? old candy wrappers ? | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | words. | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | euro fishwrapping paper buys you soda candy wrappers buy you cunt. seems the other side's better backed actually., | [17:08] |
| asciilifeform: | 'The ‘filthy anti-system’ extremists in the neighbourhood are defending their coop culture, free schools and kindergartens, their anti property speculation, shared living experiments, anti patriarchy, music, art, bar and cafe collectives, refugee welcome initiatives, anti war and climate saving politics and degrowth movements……. etc' | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | strictly boils down to "easy cunt" | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes, i readily agree with you and in effigy with "sensible people" of a generation that died with chet - that all this is barbaric nonsense, and wtf is wrong with people! | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | socialism. it ruined the currency, now there's no way to avoid societal disorder. so yes, gladiators. | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform: | the sad part is that they're one-armed gladiators. e.g., burning police cars, rather than shooting politicians or latifundistas etc | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | why would you expect they'd do anything but burning police cars ? | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | precisely, i wouldn't expect. | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | they, contrary to the "anti patriarchy" verbiage, are very deeply male. will attach responsibility (correctly) to the closest link, entire. rather than womanly go around looking for "implications" | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're too civilised for your own good, here. | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | wake me up when police run out of cars, to burn. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform no no. not "why would you expect them to be smart". "why would you expect smart people to do the dumb thing" | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's entirely an irrelevant point. | [17:14] |
| asciilifeform: | stomping individual ants is dumb. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | to you. | [17:14] |
| asciilifeform: | anthill can birth them faster than you can stomp. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | than YOU can stomp. | [17:14] |
| asciilifeform: | than anybody but a million-man army could stomp. | [17:14] |
| trinque: | so then. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a million man army. | [17:15] |
| asciilifeform: | armies shoot. | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | armies win. | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | not the form, you sickly infected soul you. NOT THE FORM. | [17:15] |
| asciilifeform: | hooligans sum to 0, whether jacqueries in 1100 or window-busting 'antifa' reds now. | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | this statement has nothing to do with reality and no power over it. all it does is, it identifies the speaker. identifies him as a roman. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | specifically important word, and do consider | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | $google mai bine huligan decit activist | [17:16] |
| deedbot: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golaniad << Golaniad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w << Imnul golanilor | http://cuvintecelebre.ro/mai-bine-mort-decat-comunist/ << Mai bine mort, decât... Imnul Golanilor, citat de Cristian Pațurcă | [17:16] |
| asciilifeform: | looks like a maidanism/tiananmenism, colourful revolution attempt ? | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | relatively complicated. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, whatever the historical underlying, the point stands. your chocie is hooligan or aparatchick, pick. | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | aparat-CHICK, funnily enough. may be the one time translation improves the text. | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform: | well from pov of apparat, the opposition is naturally 'dirty hooligan' | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | and vice-versa. | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform: | but i was speaking of the disorganization/aimlessness/anomie | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is a matter of you not a matter of it. both order and disorder are subjective reactions. | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no such thing as "order" in physical reality. | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform: | consider spanish civil war | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright | [17:20] |
| asciilifeform: | why republicans lost ? | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | who knows these things, and what's to lose. | [17:20] |
| asciilifeform: | it isn't as if it were a nuke war, we have plenty of evidence re why | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't think nsa lost, or usg lost, or any of the imperial heavenly legions ever lost. | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | why should the republicans have lost ? | [17:20] |
| asciilifeform: | lost - spain, their skins, etc. lost it all. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. everyone eventually loses his skin. what, hruschev lost ? | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, he's dead. | [17:21] |
| * asciilifeform | straps on gas mask | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | $google eugene ionesco "golan academician" | [17:21] |
| deedbot: | No results. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | oobviously. | [17:22] |
| asciilifeform: | soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan. | [17:27] |
| asciilifeform: | beast was devoured by much larger, stronger beast, and not by some mythical 'victory of the beoble' | [17:28] |
| asciilifeform: | we do not yet have a modern example of roman-style collapse to work with. | [17:29] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly rhodesia ? | [17:34] |
| shinohai: | later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/13P6 | [17:35] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [17:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | ty | [17:43] |
| phf: | $s "megaprocessor" | [18:13] |
| a111: | 3 results for "\"megaprocessor\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22megaprocessor%22 | [18:13] |
| deedbot: | [Daniel P. Barron] Play To Lose - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/play-to-lose/ | [18:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | Oh apparently truck > Assault rifle! | [18:33] |
| trinque: | inb4 snackbar | [18:34] |
| mats: | aloha! | [18:34] |
| shinohai: | ticker --market all | [18:37] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 659.22, vol: 2605.84355433 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 645.6, vol: 5338.74366 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.08, vol: 21362.55703792 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 657.937808, vol: 26130.99380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 662.773, vol: 1161.41813037 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.740813699 | [18:37] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] Bastille Day Truck Attack In Nice, France - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bastille-day-truck-attack-in-nice-france/ | [18:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | danielpbarron: doesn't /affect/ gameplay | [18:57] |
| danielpbarron: | fxt, ty | [18:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | interesting gedankenexperiment | [19:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | (yw) | [19:09] |
| mod6: | werd up | [19:26] |
| mod6: | <shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ mlocalhost deps and it still builds as expected. << oh yeah, forgot about that! | [19:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual" | [19:27] |
| trinque: | BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/ << 73 reported here | [19:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | trinque: Updated | [19:41] |
| trinque: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/91-year-old-woman-fills-in-crossword-at-museum---only-to-discove/ << in other newsworthy | [19:42] |
| trinque: | lol | [19:42] |
| mod6: | haha | [19:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | So even though the weather has been objectively worse here this week than last, I have observed a sharp increase in the number of transmayos walking and biking outside while glued to their smartphones. | [20:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | Pokemon Go to the Polls" - Clitler July 14th, 2016 | [20:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Possibly of alf interest, the snackbar truck https://archive.is/ftFPL | [20:53] |
| trinque: | BingoBoingo: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bastille-day-crash-live-updates-8424850 << video here. the event's already social media porn for both isis and... what's the other side, cuckistan? | [20:57] |
| trinque: | seems both love it equally | [20:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | trinque: Why only two sides? | [20:58] |
| trinque: | which others do you see? | [20:59] |
| trinque: | I see a european ass in the air and a brown guy having the time of his life | [20:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, https://i.imgur.com/jI5ccLN.jpg for example | [21:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | And in obvious headlines http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/being-obese-can-kill-you-study-finds-n609601 | [21:00] |
| trinque: | woah, is that stray toilet paper in uh... "front" ? | [21:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503107 << this is rank nonsense on the level of "cred intr-unul dumnezeu, tatal atottiitorul". go, believe. | [21:02] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-07-14 21:27 asciilifeform: soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan. | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | it dun do nuttin. | [21:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | Who knows? But it would probably enjoy the brown guy who would not be having the time of his life. | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | soviets fell because ran out of cars. i was there when they did. i will be there when these re-soviets will. | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | (Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα for teh curious.) | [21:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in random ancient trilema roll, http://trilema.com/2009/a-fost-odata-cand-romania-a-avut-dreptate/ | [21:44] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://i.imgur.com/ftEoWvp.jpg | [21:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^Not fat | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | good call. | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | quit school now. | [21:52] |
| BingoBoingo: | Seriously | [21:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | Also related church bsns https://i.imgur.com/YIl9HWk.jpg | [21:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://whdh.com/news/pokemon-go-player-discovers-body-in-nashua/ < Body #2 | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i actually lived there! | [22:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | What a coinidence the next generation of smartphone surveillance would direct users to places mircea_popescu lived! | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [23:32] |
| mats: | http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/07/12/US-troops-head-to-Iraq-ahead-of-Mosul-fight-.html | [23:58] |
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