Forum logs for 13 Apr 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
trinque: y'know like being on IRC [00:05]
trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating. [00:30]
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations [00:34]
mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number [00:38]
deedbot: $12 a blowjob is an odd number is not a command. [00:38]
mats: oh hello there [00:38]
trinque: lol [00:38]
mats: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? [00:39]
deedbot: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? is not a command. [00:39]
ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree. [00:54]
ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe [00:54]
ben_vulpes: not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite' [00:55]
ben_vulpes: (a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know) [00:57]
trinque: neat [01:01]
ben_vulpes: notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep [01:01]
mod6: heheh [01:17]
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it [01:18]
trinque: certainly in both cases before/after is what matters, not necessarily *when* [01:19]
trinque: and who, of course [01:19]
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls. [01:29]
mircea_popescu: literotica recent thing being a lulzy point in case [01:29]
mircea_popescu: even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz. [01:30]
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently) [01:30]
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet. [01:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what. [01:34]
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e. [01:35]
mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2015#1792704 re that if you care) [01:37]
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic [01:37]
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp. [01:42]
* trinque to bed [01:42]
punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library" [05:03]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol [07:18]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number [07:18]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wz7 [07:41]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [07:41]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036 << [08:18]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library" [08:18]
asciilifeform: l0l!! [08:18]
asciilifeform: Run Moar Whitened RNG!! [08:18]
asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'. [08:19]
shinohai: Here's one to make you cringe asciilifeform https://github.com/davidapple/davemail [08:22]
shinohai: Because we need more secure javascript [08:22]
asciilifeform: shinohai: snore. [08:23]
shinohai: >.> [08:23]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this. [08:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2015#1792704 re that if you care) [08:29]
asciilifeform: if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end. [08:29]
asciilifeform: but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'. [08:30]
asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day... [08:31]
asciilifeform: such a thing can only exist as a ritual of empire, consider where we got GMT. [08:31]
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events [08:35]
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial. [08:36]
asciilifeform: jurov: good luck observing same events from north and south hemi [08:36]
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places... [08:38]
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres [08:38]
jurov: *both [08:38]
asciilifeform: go sync naval chronometer to that. [08:38]
punkman: relevant https://science.slashdot.org/story/11/05/11/1745213/government-funded-atomic-clock-on-a-chip [08:38]
asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news, there is one in the museum where i live [08:39]
jurov: asciilifeform: +- hour accuracy is still usable [08:39]
asciilifeform: +- day is still 'usable' somewhere. [08:40]
asciilifeform: at any rate, thread was about 'absolute time', counted from some agreed-upon zero [08:41]
jurov: what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist? [08:45]
jurov: when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too? [08:46]
asciilifeform: yes. [08:46]
* asciilifeform bbl [08:47]
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless. [08:48]
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political" [08:55]
punkman: wut [09:06]
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] BitBet receivership third progress report - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report [09:58]
mircea_popescu: $up davout [10:22]
mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs. [10:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ? [10:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37 [10:23]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time" [10:24]
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there exists "fuckability" [10:25]
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time". [10:26]
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl. [10:26]
mircea_popescu: they're all the same thing, these. [10:26]
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: which is why http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448711 [10:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman. [10:32]
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman. [10:32]
mircea_popescu: and in perhaps-interesting news, https://github.com/oftn/TPFS [10:38]
mircea_popescu: apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other [10:40]
mircea_popescu: and in which line, wtf is "racket" omfg. [10:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended [10:49]
asciilifeform: pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true. [10:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested. [10:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish [10:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. [10:49]
mircea_popescu: https://racket-lang.org/ << check it out cocacolambda! [10:50]
mircea_popescu: or was that pepsi [10:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scheme with haskellisms bolted on [10:50]
asciilifeform: 'crazy shitstick' [10:50]
asciilifeform: (never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on) [10:51]
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, asciilifeform anything re little scheme ? [10:55]
asciilifeform: waiwut [10:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450421 [10:56]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty! [10:56]
asciilifeform: ah [10:56]
mircea_popescu: you know... LITTLE SCHEME :D [10:56]
asciilifeform: is there something other than the logz where it lives ? [10:56]
asciilifeform: that i can link to? [10:57]
asciilifeform: then i can write to some folks. [10:57]
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ? [10:57]
asciilifeform: yeah. [10:57]
mircea_popescu: happy to remedy, describe defects plox. [10:57]
asciilifeform: not the logz, that is [10:57]
asciilifeform: the oldsters [10:57]
mircea_popescu: oh. [10:57]
mircea_popescu: well... advise and if doable we do. [10:57]
asciilifeform: perhaps write up idea in a ps0t [10:58]
mircea_popescu: did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ? [10:58]
asciilifeform: (not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...) [10:58]
mircea_popescu: (ie, prev art ?) [10:58]
asciilifeform: gossipd article was pretty much complete [11:00]
asciilifeform: esp. if you count the commentz [11:00]
asciilifeform: i'd take that as a gold standard. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: lol prev art for req'd trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads / [11:01]
mircea_popescu: anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see. [11:01]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Ethereum Foundation Outsources Forum To Censorship Experiment - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ethereum-foundation-outsources-forum-to-censorship-experiment/ [11:59]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Thank you again. [11:59]
shinohai: thx as well BingoBoingo I never miss an opportunity to lol at ETH [12:00]
asciilifeform: dip 2.51 % is 'freefall' ?? [12:00]
shinohai: "in last 24 hours alone" [12:00]
mats: use a more impressive number [12:02]
mircea_popescu: hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop [12:04]
mircea_popescu: china, similar. [12:04]
mats: 30% drop over two weeks!1 [12:04]
mircea_popescu: or that. [12:05]
* asciilifeform is still thinking about mircea_popescu's revelation re whore pricing [12:10]
asciilifeform: it echoes the price mechanics of, e.g., industrial equipment [12:10]
asciilifeform: and other items i'm more familiar with [12:11]
asciilifeform: e.g., same instrument but 'to corporate account' grows 2-3 new leading zeroes [12:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ any good ? [12:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ? [12:27]
* asciilifeform reads mircea_popescu's thing [12:28]
mircea_popescu: whore is a lot more selective, similarly, and demanding, similarly. [12:28]
asciilifeform: what's a tgi [12:28]
mircea_popescu: ud tgi tuesdays [12:28]
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t.g.i.f.+tuesday | ... Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for t.g.i.f. tuesday yet. Can you define it? [12:28]
mircea_popescu: hm [12:28]
mircea_popescu: shitty chain of fast food pretending to be a restaurant [12:28]
mircea_popescu: "ever wanted to eat couch airplane food on land ? HERE IT IS" [12:28]
mircea_popescu: coach* [12:28]
asciilifeform: urgh [12:28]
phf: "eww, mcdonalds, lets go to tgis instead" [12:29]
asciilifeform: and yes, whore is paid to fuck folks she would not otherwise consider [12:29]
mircea_popescu: aha. I REALLY MISS BAD CATERED LUNCHES FROM WORK [12:29]
asciilifeform: just as i, employed as another type of whore, have to do things i otherwise would not even want to know ~exist~ [12:29]
asciilifeform: much less do them on free will [12:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school. [12:31]
phf: in before jesus [12:31]
asciilifeform: what is the alleged/'wail' type of whore ? [12:31]
asciilifeform: (vs 'real') [12:31]
mircea_popescu: (now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: and yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449778 [12:33]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: because the girls said so. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ? [12:33]
mircea_popescu: there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens. [12:36]
asciilifeform: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-apple-fbi-encryption-debate-20160412-story.html << unrelated but lulzy [12:36]
mircea_popescu: it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail. [12:36]
mircea_popescu: not like reddit invented "brigading". [12:37]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not mega-seekrit, if i turn on a radio or tv set, 9 in 10 chance i hear precisely this wail. [12:40]
trinque: ^ hopefully he'll survive a netsplit now [12:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, it gets tiresome. [12:41]
asciilifeform: aha. [12:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your article is not very helpful to folks who neither know what is eulora nor can be arsed. [12:42]
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ [12:42]
mircea_popescu: notes notwithstanding ? [12:42]
asciilifeform: hm possibly notes help. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify" [12:43]
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit" [12:43]
asciilifeform: imho the megalith-of-logz-with-notes only works when 'preaching to choir' [12:43]
mircea_popescu: well why i put the log in notes. [12:44]
mircea_popescu: you saying it should be a later note ? [12:44]
asciilifeform: imho whole thing should fit on one a4. [12:44]
asciilifeform: in 14pt face. [12:44]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to do this / [12:45]
asciilifeform: then i could shove it under some office doorz. [12:45]
asciilifeform: 2sided ok. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: it is currently 11667 characters, which means like 20 pages [12:45]
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there [12:46]
mircea_popescu: well on one hand shoving it under door seems a miserable plan to me. if you can't say to some guy "hey, look into this!" prolly best not molest 'em [12:46]
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ? [12:47]
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said. [12:47]
asciilifeform: terse ? [12:47]
mircea_popescu: tense. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: thinking of text in "ai" terms, the more complex the graph / strlen, the tenser. [12:48]
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core [12:49]
asciilifeform: yeah that part also confused me [12:50]
mircea_popescu: at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: which is, as far as history informs, what all bureaucrats ever really wanted. [12:50]
asciilifeform: is this meant to entice kidz to hack on eulora ? [12:50]
asciilifeform: or what [12:50]
asciilifeform: or for profs to assign it as hw instead of etherium ? [12:51]
BingoBoingo: AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora! [12:51]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sad but true. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that. teacher has to make up a fucking teaching plan, and establish curricula and scoring criteria and whatnot. THIS IS WORK [12:51]
asciilifeform: then it is even more of a puzzler [12:52]
mircea_popescu: can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./ [12:52]
asciilifeform: how does eulora relate to this ? [12:52]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the tools aren't there to replace it yet. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta give kids soemthign to do, right ? [12:52]
asciilifeform: yeah but in no remaining american school is that something c++. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: so ? [12:52]
asciilifeform: or likely ever again to be. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: they can make their own node.js client, who cares what tech they use. [12:52]
asciilifeform: ah hm. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: they can make a smaller part or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days. [12:54]
* asciilifeform realized that the idea ~very much is~ euloratronic, intrinsically, and as such asciilifeform is not the man to properly push it to skeptics face to face, not being a eulorist [12:54]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. [12:55]
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either. [12:56]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either [12:56]
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway. [12:57]
asciilifeform: i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case. [12:58]
mircea_popescu: aite. [12:58]
asciilifeform: also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11' [12:58]
asciilifeform: but this is conjecture. [12:58]
diana_coman: and it kind of got onto me because of all this current academia apparent strive towards "using OS as a way to get students develop wider skills and be more ready for industry" stuff see open academy etc [12:58]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: at what school, i wonder, is any of that ~actually~ happening [12:59]
diana_coman: I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points [12:59]
diana_coman: hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think? [12:59]
asciilifeform: whos'that [13:00]
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects [13:00]
diana_coman: and after an initial hackaton thingee [13:01]
mircea_popescu: mime guy neh ? [13:01]
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally) [13:01]
mircea_popescu: ah [13:01]
diana_coman: I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested [13:03]
mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ? [13:09]
trinque: o,0 [13:10]
trinque: phf: what'd you end up changing in that ping/pong code? [13:11]
phf: trinque: basically state is *last-pong* and *connection-state* [13:25]
phf: in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0))) [13:25]
phf: and there's a state machine in a thread http://paste.lisp.org/display/313413 [13:29]
phf: it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state [13:30]
phf: then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect [13:31]
deedbot-: [Qntra] As US Farmers Suffer As Corn Imports To US Increase - http://qntra.net/2016/04/as-us-farmers-suffer-as-corn-imports-to-us-increase/ [13:31]
BingoBoingo: ^ From the not a typo department [13:32]
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through [13:33]
phf: trinque: that's the entire bot mgmt code http://paste.lisp.org/display/313414 [13:35]
* phf brb [13:35]
trinque: phf: neat, thanks [13:55]
mircea_popescu: collection of lispbots, so fucking unreal. [14:01]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [14:14]
gribble: Current Blocks: 407132 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 99 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [14:14]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [14:14]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.61, vol: 4721.17387867 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.8, vol: 6141.27288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.61, vol: 7977.27926267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 1.83004593 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.27361, vol: 25313.06360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 424.97, vol: 1316.95243258 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.282419, vol: 29.7085162 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [14:14]
BingoBoingo: more [14:22]
gribble: 424.651017192 [14:22]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << i've been wondering same. [14:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ? [14:29]
asciilifeform: much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case. [14:31]
asciilifeform: (though phf recently did some interesting experimentation with shiva, iirc) [14:31]
phf: i'm useful [14:34]
asciilifeform: there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently [14:34]
asciilifeform: (e.g., openssl must die wallet must be cut loose and made to function sanely) [14:34]
phf: but my shiva experiments were interrupted by log writing [14:34]
asciilifeform: phf made a very spiffy logtron [14:35]
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on [16:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs. [16:15]
davout: and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash [16:16]
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4emnne/til_corn_is_an_altcoin/ [17:35]
trinque: $up deedbot- [17:46]
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes. [17:47]
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4emgbv/psa_there_is_nothing_inherently_respectable_about/ [18:19]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned. [18:43]
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd [18:50]
* shinohai likes downvote bots when he's drinking .... [18:52]
BingoBoingo: these things happen [18:56]
shinohai: https://s.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/984/media/images/t2/Mythe_Absinthe_Traditional_412042_i0.jpg <<< just got a bottle of this for bday [19:02]
* BingoBoingo kind of jealous [19:02]
* BingoBoingo remind self to not plan a relapse [19:03]
shinohai: I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze. [19:04]
punkman: who drinks absinthe anyway [19:05]
* BingoBoingo had a couple binges [19:05]
BingoBoingo: on the stuff [19:05]
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all. [19:09]
* shinohai hasn't yet gotten so inebriated he chopped off an ear tho [19:10]
deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Contravex : Now with expanded archives. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/13/contravex-now-with-expanded-archives/ [19:28]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Putin Providing Material Support To Trump-Clinton Candidacy - http://qntra.net/2016/04/putin-providing-material-support-to-trump-clinton-candidacy/ [19:41]
BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard. [19:59]
asciilifeform: later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3H4YEDH.txt << qntra ? [20:24]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [20:24]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: probably something should be up by morning [20:27]
mircea_popescu: $up davout [20:34]
deedbot: davout voiced for 30 minutes. [20:34]
mircea_popescu: davout kk will read [20:34]
mod6: <+shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol << It was basically 2 packs of smokes @ $6 ea. [20:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number [20:35]
asciilifeform: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report#comment-8551 << l0l nubsy is back [20:35]
mircea_popescu: punkman> who drinks absinthe anyway << preppy, "worldly" 16yos ? [20:37]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sorry, that didn't take as long as I thought it would. [20:40]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Journalist Sentenced Under US Hacking Laws - http://qntra.net/2016/04/journalist-sentenced-under-us-hacking-laws/ [20:40]
shinohai: mod6: as long as you got yours! :D [20:49]
phf: absinthe nights never end good [20:51]
mod6: haha [20:51]
shinohai: Last absinnthe night I had ended with me in a room with 3 girls. I'll say it went dandy. [20:53]
mircea_popescu: pregnancy tests ok ? [20:53]
mats: is your dong ok? [20:59]
shinohai: yup [21:00]
mod6: haha. [21:01]
phf: shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0Kq3M4idA&t=1m10s [21:05]
shinohai: rofl [21:08]
mod6: lol fuzzy wobbles [21:09]
mircea_popescu: and in other news, btcbase.org larger referrer for trilema than log.bitcoin-assets by now. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: (for current month, i mean)\ [21:16]
mod6: nice [21:20]
shinohai: Thos #b-a logs are so large every day I can't read them all now. [21:21]
mod6: i haven't missed a single day [21:21]
mod6: i feel like a book of them would be good to re-read though [21:21]
mircea_popescu: i think the only one i ever missed was in march [21:22]
mike_c: later tell trinque dig www.btcalpha.com [21:22]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: i also think he was sartaskik [21:22]
mod6: i think the logs contain the most relevant and interesting conversations of our times. [21:22]
shinohai: Sure, I still read the older stuff [21:22]
shinohai: still a plethora of info there [21:23]
mod6: lot of good stuff on trilema that takes a deeper dive too. all the way back to '11 and beyond [21:23]
mod6: anyone wanna toss me a tarball of the logs? [21:23]
mircea_popescu: same here. [21:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently << i'd be happy if i saw the damned phuctor already. [21:25]
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be SUCH a fucking high bar, already. [21:25]
mod6: what was the deal there? something with the database setup? [21:25]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, something obscure that's been taking him 6 fucking months. it's beyond scandalous. [21:25]
mod6: in other news, thebitcoin.foundataion (Not including therealbitcoin.org) has had 149k uniq requests, and 395k non-uniq requests. [21:26]
mod6: nb [21:26]
phf: mod6: no single tarbal, but that's the canonical sources atm http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-11#1322198 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444829 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450437 [21:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 14:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068 << http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ [21:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz [21:26]
a111: Logged on 2015-11-11 20:12 kakobrekla: chunked my month now http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/ [21:26]
mircea_popescu: comparing the workrate differential, i'm starting to think the sane thing to do is spin it off to someone who actually wants to do it and move on. [21:26]
mod6: phf: thx, will investigate. [21:27]
mike_c: later tell trinque and yes, i <3 postgres [21:27]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [21:27]
mircea_popescu: mike_c this seem like a sane interface to you, what he's proposing ? [21:27]
mircea_popescu: im starting to think actually shared sql may be a very sane and deeply correct way t ogo about things. [21:28]
mircea_popescu: db can even be maintained in a shared, hashed, headless, distributed manner a la torrents [21:28]
mike_c: readonly access from someone trusted enough not to grab locks on everything? I guess [21:28]
mircea_popescu: and be inquirable by independent services. [21:28]
mike_c: personally if doing something like that I'd setup a read slave [21:28]
mircea_popescu: sorta like bbs-with-sql, if you will, from another perspective [21:28]
mike_c: and still expect it to get hosed [21:28]
mod6: mike_c: hey! qq: those zocchi dice are the real deal 'eh? [21:28]
mike_c: hehe, that threw me for a loop [21:29]
mike_c: linking to 2 year old comments [21:29]
mircea_popescu: ud zocchi dice [21:29]
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zocchihedron | The d100, a one hundred sided die invented and produced by Lou Zocchi, of GameScience. ... No set of dice is complete without a Zocchihedron. [21:29]
mircea_popescu: aok [21:29]
mike_c: the point isn't the d100, the point is he makes fair dice [21:29]
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing ? [21:29]
mike_c: fair-er [21:30]
mircea_popescu: aok [21:30]
mike_c: better for RNG with dicelist [21:30]
mod6: yei don't care about the d100 [21:30]
mod6: im more interested in like a d16 [21:30]
mircea_popescu: if bias is the concern, you just degauss them. if not bias is the concern, wtf can he do to improve ? [21:30]
mike_c: manufacturing process. it's pretty deterministic, roll random dice x times, roll his dice x times, his are better [21:31]
mircea_popescu: mike_c the idea is you know what i mean by degaussing ? [21:32]
mike_c: mod6: I am not an expert and haven't tested anything. simply word-on-the-street level info [21:32]
mod6: werd man. thanks. [21:32]
mod6: they look p-damn good. [21:32]
mike_c: degaussing no, I took it as the nuemann thing for unreliable number smoothing [21:32]
mod6: i'll report back on 'em. [21:33]
mircea_popescu: yeah, exactky that. [21:33]
mircea_popescu: http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/ for ref [21:33]
mod6: yeah, i can't seem to determine if they should be whitened if good rolling techniques are used. meaning, high friction surface, bounce off wall, shake in round & covered cup, etc. [21:34]
mod6: huh, thanks for the link. will read. [21:34]
mike_c: but does that work with 1-6 instead of binary? I mean, you could build up the numbers binarily, but that seems like an even bigger pain than buying fancy dice [21:34]
mod6: i've been doing some reading about this lately on what I can find. [21:34]
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, it's necessarily generalizable i linked a generalisation for convenience. [21:35]
mod6: mike_c: there's this whole thread from turdtalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297077.0all [21:35]
mike_c: sheesh, that still exists [21:35]
mod6: not even sure if this shit is at all accurate or whatnot ^ [21:35]
mod6: so take with grain of salt [21:35]
shinohai: mod6: I suppose you have read http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html [21:40]
mod6: shinohai: ah, i've breezed through it rather quick, yes. [21:41]
mod6: mp's link looks pretty good. [21:41]
mod6: although, i wanna do stuff all by hand, if that makes sense. [21:41]
shinohai: Next we will have you mining with an abacus :D [21:42]
mircea_popescu: you can, if you wanna. [21:42]
mod6: i did a recursive wget on this files.bitcoin-assets.com and alf has his own dir. lol [21:44]
mod6: 122Mlog [21:44]
mircea_popescu: seems maybe on the low side ? [21:44]
mircea_popescu: o no nm, it was like 180mb all total iirc [21:45]
mod6: lemme see... [21:45]
mod6: 1.1Gfiles.bitcoin-assets.com/ << but there's even a movie in here, wot tarballs, bitstamp incident report,e tc. [21:45]
mod6: 539Mlenat-leaks [21:46]
mircea_popescu: lol wtf movie [21:46]
mod6: there's a bunch of stuff, even a gpg bin? [21:47]
mod6: assets-log.sql.tar.gz << and this [21:47]
mod6: SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v [21:48]
mod6: i just did a `mkdir foo cd foo wget -r http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/` [21:48]
mod6: you may wanna run the same thing, probably faster than me rolling it up and passing to you. [21:49]
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << oh probably whatever work I get done in the vein of trinque's makefiles. [22:01]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu: were you basically retooling for ada ? [22:02]
mod6: naw, more like going through ada baby steps like these: http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor-simple-declarations-and-simple_13.html [22:02]
mod6: and writing a lexigraphical parser in scheme, poorly. [22:03]
mircea_popescu: prolly should have a sit down and get goals together tomorrow or somesuch ? [22:03]
mod6: after the 15th, i need to contex switch, saddle up, lock and load on the makefile thing and see if we can finally get this stuff wrapped up. [22:03]
mod6: yeah, i've been a bit mia because of all this shit-shoveling i've had to do lately. [22:04]
mircea_popescu: is tomorro workable ? i'm mostly around all teh time so no biggy for me. or better later in week ? fri ? sun ? [22:04]
mod6: during the day has been horrid for me for the last ~3 weeks. but, will try to stop in tomorrow night and discuss a bit. [22:05]
mod6: i agree, a bit of a plan would be good. hold me to something i think. [22:05]
mircea_popescu: night, as in like now ? or now +/- something ? [22:05]
mod6: eh, what time you got there right now? 22:05? [22:06]
mircea_popescu: it's 23:05 art [22:06]
mod6: ah, ok. so figure between 21:00 and 23:30 art [22:06]
mircea_popescu: worx [22:06]
mod6: which would be 19:00-21:30 cdt [22:07]
mod6: might be a bit early for ben_vulpes, but he'll probably catch us on the tail end. [22:07]
mircea_popescu: lol that sounds porny [22:07]
mod6: :D [22:07]
ben_vulpes: what is that in pst? [22:08]
ben_vulpes: i have an 0800 PST train [22:08]
mircea_popescu: google 21:00 art to pst time [22:08]
gribble: PST to Argentina Time Converter -- TimeBie: <http://www.timebie.com/timezone/pacificargentina.php> PST to EST (Pacific to Eastern Time) USA & Canada | Greenwich ...: <http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/to/pst/to-est> Convert: Pacific Time to GMT | Greenwich Mean Time: <http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/convert/> [22:08]
mircea_popescu: fucking useless. [22:08]
* asciilifeform is getting close to escaping butugychag [22:09]
mircea_popescu: o.O [22:09]
danielpbarron: i also hate those sites [22:09]
danielpbarron: ended ip adding agentina clock on my iphone [22:09]
mod6: ok it's 19:10 / 7:10 pm there now ben_vulpes? [22:09]
ben_vulpes: same same ish tomorrow? might be hard. [22:09]
ben_vulpes: yeah, 1910 [22:09]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's like 5 to 7pm [22:09]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it's 'new york' sans dst [22:10]
mod6: so we're talking between 17:00 and 19:30 PDT [22:10]
mod6: otherwise, i'm good if we wanna discuss someshit now for like 30 mins. [22:10]
ben_vulpes: i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try. [22:10]
mircea_popescu: eh wanted to give peeps a night to sleep on it anyway [22:10]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you actually go door to door ?! [22:11]
mod6: basically, im just gonna end up creating a sandbox - inflate v054 from V, and throw in trinque's makefiles and start doing what needs doing. [22:11]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in a sense. there's a $shitlang conference up there this weekend, and the meatwot has graciously coughed up some introductions. [22:11]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: clojure ? [22:11]
ben_vulpes: ah [22:12]
ben_vulpes: aha! [22:12]
asciilifeform: l0l! [22:12]
mircea_popescu: i thought clojure was $goodlang [22:12]
ben_vulpes: one of the $leastbadlangs [22:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly for ben_vulpes , he works with some horrors from the bottom of the sea [22:12]
asciilifeform: not entirely unrelatedly, i got my first ever cobol recruiter pitch today. [22:13]
ben_vulpes: it's an entirely adequate lisp-alike on the jvm for webshit [22:13]
mod6: bzzt [22:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suppose if you don't need error handling.. [22:14]
asciilifeform: or macros [22:14]
mod6: who needs to handle errors anyway [22:14]
ben_vulpes: not even "a lisP" [22:14]
asciilifeform: or... [22:14]
ben_vulpes: a lips /alike/ [22:14]
ben_vulpes: a gun to fire today. [22:14]
ben_vulpes: tentacles to wrap around the webstack today. [22:14]
ben_vulpes: but no, no error checking, compile-time inspection of funcall arity correctness, type management of any sort [22:15]
mod6: hahah [22:15]
ben_vulpes: it is a miserably lazily implemented language. [22:15]
asciilifeform: l0l i did nit even know about the arity thing! [22:16]
ben_vulpes: you have no idea how miserable it is [22:16]
asciilifeform: holyfuq [22:16]
ben_vulpes: and then ask why [22:16]
ben_vulpes: "well because how would map know how many arguments it takes?" [22:16]
ben_vulpes: aliebgruakisjbdfkahwebfqwejhfba,jhsdfba [22:16]
mod6: im gonna have to be like Hiro, quit this shitshoveling and start devivering pizza for CosaNostra [22:16]
ben_vulpes: i have yet to find anything /less/ painful for webwork. [22:17]
mod6: once, i quit doing computer shit [22:18]
mod6: for about 8 months, and spent time working nights in a tucson walmart in the ghetto [22:18]
mod6: it was hilarious [22:18]
mod6: for about ... 60 days [22:18]
mod6: then it was just depressing [22:18]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: every time i dial the videophone into your favourite portland small usgtronics co., i think of you. [22:19]
mod6: same lady, week after week buying the same full cart of vagicreme. same guys night after night wrestling over a spot in line at 01:59 am to see who would get sold the last 40 [22:19]
ben_vulpes: they are very nice gentlemen [22:19]
ben_vulpes: just contracted us for another gig [22:19]
ben_vulpes: but before this thread slips away [22:19]
asciilifeform: mod6: you could have been the next lafonde!111 [22:19]
mod6: here's a matter of fact: no one pays with actual cash. ebt 4 everyone. [22:20]
mod6: there's your tax dollars hard at work [22:20]
asciilifeform: mod6: perhaps that's specifically a lolmart thing? [22:20]
mod6: i can't imagine it is at all. [22:20]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty posh, aha [22:20]
ben_vulpes: i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment [22:20]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i met a few of'em in the flesh even, they came over [22:21]
ben_vulpes: nice folks [22:21]
ben_vulpes: "just want to do maf!" [22:21]
ben_vulpes: nevermind what the 'correct by construction' flight controller will be used for. [22:21]
asciilifeform: pretty sure one was on the winning side of alphago bet. [22:21]
ben_vulpes: other than that, hilariously inept at anything other than procuring usg dole or scaring innocent civilians with 'sekyoority' analysis [22:22]
asciilifeform: l0l i had no idea they sold anything to civs [22:23]
asciilifeform: not advertised at any rate [22:23]
mod6: im not sure which is more depressing actually, shitshoveling in a jerva shitstack all day, or walmart. make me want to pitch a tent in Mr. P.'s garden instead and work on math machine, even if futile. would be more rewarding than the shit i do on an avg. work day [22:23]
ben_vulpes: i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit. [22:25]
ben_vulpes: whatever, life and work suck. [22:25]
ben_vulpes: do it with people who don't. [22:25]
ben_vulpes: try to eke out a few dollars here and there. [22:25]
asciilifeform: i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk [22:26]
ben_vulpes: lol less loathsome [22:26]
ben_vulpes: it's work, it sucks. [22:26]
ben_vulpes: various knobs to turn based on worker proclivities, that's all. [22:26]
asciilifeform: would settle for same misery but fewer unpaid hrs in iron box daily. [22:27]
ben_vulpes: 4 10's, kegs in the corner, 20-hr weeks, philosophy instead of working, dollars... [22:27]
ben_vulpes: what about greater misery? [22:27]
ben_vulpes: because motherfucking /tradeoffs/ [22:28]
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes knew what i do there! [22:28]
ben_vulpes: last i heard you were estimating algorthmic complexity of impossible cpp hairballs [22:28]
ben_vulpes: and not positioning divs [22:28]
asciilifeform: among other things. [22:28]
asciilifeform: positioning divs won't pay for asciilifeformtronics. [22:29]
ben_vulpes: not on its own, but as a necessary requisite. [22:29]
ben_vulpes: "yes, that falls in the set of things you can purchase here." [22:29]
asciilifeform: i admire ben_vulpes's talent for herding animals [22:30]
ben_vulpes: or, say, oauth integrations. [22:30]
asciilifeform: but i do not have it. [22:30]
mod6: so in other news... yeah, tomorrow will work for me. i know trinque has been doing good work on deedbot etc lately, so I'll try hard not to bug him on the shit i gotta do. [22:30]
ben_vulpes: or, say, custom forms for donation-accepting nonprofits who need to collect additional data on the state's say-so. [22:31]
ben_vulpes: or excel -> geosearch tools [22:31]
mod6: the main thing is i've gotta get the makefiles in proper order, and basically, iirc, they already are real close.. but the thing I gotta work out is making a vpatch to add them to the source tree. [22:31]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didn't some yc shartup purport to mechanize this? [22:31]
asciilifeform: (formz) [22:32]
mod6: because, my thought here is, Mr. P. inflates bitcoin via V, and then `cd bitcoin make` [22:32]
mod6: that's it. "make me my fathers pistol" [22:32]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: every payment processor has custom formage. [22:32]
ben_vulpes: but /which bolt/ [22:32]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc there was somebody pushing a form editor thing [22:33]
* ben_vulpes shurgs [22:33]
ben_vulpes: how would i know, why would i care [22:33]
* asciilifeform has profoundly nfi [22:33]
ben_vulpes: you think /i/ need help shitting out some tags? [22:33]
ben_vulpes: and it's not the tags [22:33]
ben_vulpes: it's the guiding them through the conversations with their auditor, department of revenue... [22:34]
mod6: huh. so there's no way to make an interface to just bolt on these abortions 'eh? [22:34]
ben_vulpes: mod6: every payment processor has their own interface. but as mentioned above, the tech is almost entirely ancillary to figuring out what needs doing and piping the data round. [22:34]
mod6: hm. but custom work pays ok then right? [22:35]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i do not envy you your wurk. it sounds like it includes a serious dose of hyoomaninteraction even. [22:35]
mod6: "west cost choppers" [22:35]
mod6: coast too [22:35]
ben_vulpes: mod6: custom work is all i do. [22:36]
ben_vulpes: pays decently, if very volatile. [22:37]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where are the programmers who non-customwork, l0l [22:37]
mod6: beats working at walmart [22:37]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats me! just answering the question. [22:37]
asciilifeform: 'we wrote this same proggy 10,001st time!' [22:37]
mod6: except for the $12 bj's. that's a decent perk [22:38]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/. [22:38]
asciilifeform: 13333337 [22:39]
ben_vulpes: documentation generation for a 747 retrofitter at one point [22:39]
ben_vulpes: hilariously overdelivered on that one [22:39]
asciilifeform: i mostly just mutter incantations, prayers against drought, evil eye [22:40]
ben_vulpes: system works so well they never needed a hand afterwards [22:40]
ben_vulpes: great testimonial though [22:40]
ben_vulpes: software qua software is a mystery to me, asciilifeform. [22:40]
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, re: retooling to ada I think my overall thought was, get v054 complete, in its classic form. Then move along to ada perhaps. But then there's still the question surrounding your suggested changes. Should be done in cpp ala classic? Or full re-write including your changes? [22:40]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk << Seriously try Home Depot [22:41]
mod6: Say that the reward half is in july... seems hard to figure we could have anything meaningful written in ada by then at all. [22:41]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: been drinkin'? [22:41]
mod6: rewardhalf [22:41]
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command. [22:41]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah [22:41]
mod6: goddamnit [22:41]
BingoBoingo: Still sober [22:41]
mod6: bc,halfreward [22:42]
gribble: Error: "bc,halfreward" is not a valid command. [22:42]
asciilifeform: or did they add a zero to the wage while i wasn't looking [22:42]
mod6: bc,rewardhalf [22:42]
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command. [22:42]
mod6: X_X [22:42]
mod6: halfreward [22:42]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 12 01:22:13 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 12 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds. [22:42]
BingoBoingo: Just suggesting an employer who can give alfdog fiat and who is hiring this time of year. [22:42]
mod6: July 12th, mother of god [22:42]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one of those already [22:42]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far less USG tronic. [22:43]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interested strictly in >= wage for < time on the stake. [22:43]
BingoBoingo: You can even move to other corners of Mordor! [22:43]
BingoBoingo: That's like > wage [22:43]
asciilifeform: and defo not interested in physically showing up anywhere. [22:43]
asciilifeform: or seeing motherfuking faces [22:44]
ben_vulpes: there's also the local amazon subsidiary [22:45]
ben_vulpes: http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/company/careers/open-positions [22:45]
BingoBoingo: Prolly more popescutronic girls there than rupture farms [22:45]
asciilifeform: i've thought about learning to operate a tower crane. [22:45]
ben_vulpes: underwater welding! [22:45]
mircea_popescu: mod6 i have nfi, prolly part of what to discuss. [22:45]
mod6: werd [22:46]
asciilifeform: no filthy hyoomans in the crane cabin. [22:46]
BingoBoingo: If you stay at home depot long enough you can get your lift truck license [22:46]
* mod6 imagines alf in the control box [22:46]
BingoBoingo: Come on alf, live the orange life. [22:46]
ben_vulpes: i really admire this nest of constraints you've put up, asciilifeform [22:46]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand why it has to be a tower crane. [22:46]
BingoBoingo: Why? [22:46]
ben_vulpes: it is precisely the opposite of adaptive [22:47]
asciilifeform: because the cabin holds 1. [22:47]
BingoBoingo: How confident are you about that? [22:47]
asciilifeform: and is 200 metres up in the air. [22:47]
mod6: i feel like alf could live like ted kaczynski in the woods just fine. [22:47]
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't see him hunting and prepping any food. [22:47]
mod6: only needs an axe, flint, steel and a matchbook calculator [22:47]
BingoBoingo: Nah, alf needs his fiber internet. [22:47]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty confident, there is a crane outside of my office window, i look into the cabin every day. [22:48]
asciilifeform: with some envy. [22:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thats the advertising crane. [22:48]
BingoBoingo: Ohterwise alf has said mod6 that he would be pashtun dog. [22:48]
mircea_popescu: the real work crane hosts 3 and they sit on the same chair. [22:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaaaahahaha [22:48]
* asciilifeform falls down [22:48]
BingoBoingo: $b 3 [22:48]
deedbot: $b 3 is not a command. [22:48]
mircea_popescu: "break's over, move to work cabin" [22:48]
asciilifeform: these very same cranez will turn up,mi am quite certain, if i ever get near that wurk. [22:49]
mircea_popescu: incidentaly, what do those people do when they need to pee ? [22:49]
asciilifeform: there is a pissoir up there [22:49]
asciilifeform: right on the gib [22:49]
mod6: but, alf seems to know something about rabbit stew with a decent shotgun, small game is easy. [22:50]
BingoBoingo: when alf starts foley catheter [22:50]
mod6: a man learns when he's hungry [22:50]
mircea_popescu: mod6 still have to prep it. [22:50]
asciilifeform: i have nothing against preparing phood [22:50]
asciilifeform: speaking of which, brb [22:50]
mod6: :] [22:50]
mircea_popescu: you ever took a live animal and turned it into steaks ? [22:50]
BingoBoingo: alf draws workman's comp from tower crane induced UTI [22:50]
BingoBoingo: ud UTI [22:51]
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=UTI | Top Definition. UTI. A painful infection in your bladder where you feel like you have to pee all the time and when you do go to pee barely anything comes out. [22:51]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, know what is difference between gynecologist and bee-dog ? [22:51]
BingoBoingo: No, I have noes idears [22:51]
mircea_popescu: they both have wet noses. [22:51]
BingoBoingo: lol [22:51]
BingoBoingo: brb [22:52]
mod6: me? i've done a deer a few times [22:52]
mircea_popescu: not you, him. you, i can tell. [22:52]
mod6: it helps when its cold out, this is for sure. [22:52]
mircea_popescu: yeh. [22:53]
mircea_popescu: worst time i ever had hunting, we got a decent boar [22:53]
mircea_popescu: spent hour and half dragging it around trying to find place with no anthills within five feet [22:54]
mircea_popescu: fucking nigthmare the damned shits, like they were everywhere [22:54]
mod6: oh yeah [22:55]
mod6: those are huge [22:56]
mircea_popescu: and you know, boar weighs about the same as a large number of sacks of potatoes [22:56]
mod6: i do clean my own phesants, about 50 per year. but thats easy, and a lot different than a large animal. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: well a pheasant you're done with in what, 15 minutes solo [22:56]
mod6: oh yeah, they have wild boar in tucson. they'll eat anything. [22:56]
mod6: oh yeah, like 5 minutes. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: but this thing you really need 2-3 people and ideally you know, an hour or so undisturbed [22:57]
mod6: i feel like i wanna learn how to butcher cattle. [22:57]
mod6: or hogs [22:57]
mircea_popescu: cattle, you definitely should come to argentina. [22:57]
mircea_popescu: possibly best butchers i've ever seen. [22:57]
mod6: its a lost skill up here for the most part. [22:58]
mircea_popescu: half of these guys look like they really shoulda been in surgery. [22:58]
mod6: used to be here every small town had a guy, and you didnt fuck with him [22:58]
mod6: ok, so anyway, i'll ponder some things tonight and tomorrow, and we'll discuss more. [23:00]
mircea_popescu: cool [23:00]
asciilifeform: i dun have any experience with preparing freshly caught carcass larger than a fish. but - unlike www stack - would enjoy learning this. [23:23]
asciilifeform: sadly, where i live, this is something only rich, or at least well-leisured folks, can access. [23:26]
asciilifeform: but perhaps one day i will visit mod6 and ben_vulpes and they might teach me to correctly dismember a boar into sausages. [23:27]
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