Forum logs for 12 Jan 2017
| davout: | https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2017-01-12/?msg=79232562&page=1 <<< lulz | [00:33] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/01/trump-to-cnn-spammer-you-are-fake-news/ << Qntra - Trump To CNN Spammer: "You Are Fake News" | [02:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | per asciilifeform's request, mimisbrunnr now reports time between blocks: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#355 | [03:56] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) | [05:02] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3870...6143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) | [05:02] |
| davout: | asciilifeform: does the CLHS exist as a single-page HTML doc ? | [05:07] |
| davout: | it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person | [05:08] |
| davout: | also phf ^ | [05:08] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...7407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' () | [05:12] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' () | [05:12] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' () | [05:12] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...6033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' () | [05:12] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64) | [05:31] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) | [05:31] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3075...7897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64) | [05:31] |
| Framedragger: | lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html | [06:48] |
| davout: | Framedragger: nice find | [07:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other evil rabbit front news, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB4NQwGW0AAlEsw.jpg | [07:30] |
| Framedragger: | hahaha little albert experiment meets david lynch | [07:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | >D | [07:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger lol there you do deanonimizing trilema readership :D | [07:38] |
| trinque: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2017#2227740 << the usual thing is to create an editor keybinding that launches the hyperspec page at cursor, something like hyperspec.el or helm-dash | [08:11] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 10:08 davout: it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person | [08:11] |
| * trinque | has a left-alt (which is rebound to hyper) + d binding that pops up docs for w/e language | [08:12] |
| davout: | trinque: no, i just want to read the thing, not necessarily in the context of needing info about some particular bit | [08:13] |
| trinque: | ah k | [08:17] |
| davout: | after reading #chainstate my conclusion is that mircea_popescu would enjoy ruby very much! | [08:21] |
| trinque: | o lawd | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol and whyssat davout ? | [08:22] |
| davout: | string manipulation just seemed very painful | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, a large part of the problem is that strings aren't something. | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, the veterans' objections couldn't be dismissed. | [08:23] |
| davout: | yeah, of course | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | on which basis i enjoy ruby a lot less. | [08:24] |
| davout: | the point is simply that it bundles a good bit of convenience | [08:25] |
| davout: | which may or may not be a good thing depending on the particular point of view | [08:25] |
| davout: | either way, the repl looks pretty nifty | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | the objection is that it bundles incorrect convenience, which is NEVER a good thing. link here to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599790 | [08:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-09 15:10 mircea_popescu: this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are. | [08:27] |
| davout: | what distinguishes correct from incorrect convenience ? | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i quite enjoyed flailing for definitions once i realised what the problem was (you can tell i move to arrays at some point in a desperate bid etc) | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | davout something (convenience, anything else) is correct if it scales, which is to say is derived from the prime mover. anything else - incorrect. | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | sinful is also a proper attribute of incorrectness, because it is literally a headless spawn of the very devil. | [08:29] |
| davout: | not sure i really get what you mean by "it scales" | [08:30] |
| davout: | if you bundle lots of shit, it quickly becomes unmanageable | [08:30] |
| davout: | because all abstractions and conveniences have a cost | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys to prime logic. broken shit can't do that. | [08:32] |
| davout: | what's "prime mover" in this context? | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly your idea of "scales" is tainted by the idiots, "to scale means to be used by a larger cattle headcount". that has nothing to do. to scale means to go up the abstraction tree. an apple is a correct apple if it scales, ie, if the concept of apple follows from it. | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | literally the aristotelian imperative. the first thing to have moved. | [08:35] |
| davout: | it's still not very clear to me how the ability to manipulate string a bit more easily is equivalent to heresy | [08:42] |
| davout: | would the same functionality, included in cl's standard be deemed heretic? | [08:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | "it's not clear to me how the ability to manipulate something you can'd define is equivalent to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 " | [08:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | all you need is a false implication somewhere, davout ANYWHERE. once you have it then everything becomes provable. | [08:47] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: notice that it ~wasn't~ included! | [08:47] |
| asciilifeform: | 'if your grandmother had balls...' | [08:47] |
| davout: | asciilifeform: i do | [08:47] |
| davout: | strings defined as byte vectors is pretty unambiguous | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes but now define ruby's notion of substr | [08:49] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: cl chars ain't bytes | [08:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | see the whole point of "string" as a concept (and from it, as a type) is based on a fundamental ambiguity. now it's this, now it's that. | [08:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform that's an anti-helpful objection. | [08:50] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: nor null-termed, nor contiguous in memory | [08:50] |
| davout: | mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see that particular ambiguity | [08:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i know. i hadn't seen it until yesterday either. | [08:51] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it is in fact useful to remember that the 'convenience' of cstring is == to the 'convenience' of shitting on the floor where you stand | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is something you can remember only if you already groked it. | [08:52] |
| asciilifeform: | tru | [08:52] |
| davout: | mircea_popescu: #chainstate ref plox? | [08:53] |
| Framedragger: | inb4 cross-channel reference and search system!! | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's two points. one, where i saw it at the periphery and feared it may be a thing, which made me pretty pissy : http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1340 and then http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1374 as the issue was structuring in my head. then of course the closing comments early today morning, http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#323 as the thing couldn't actually be dismissed. | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you look through the log it's pretty evident alf understands exactly what the problem is, in spite of his deeply boneheaded, inept self-expression. which sadly makes it evident only retrospectively. | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again how to speak truth to clueless is a quite open problem in the first place. | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | but that's why he speaks of socialism and getting for free and etc. | [09:00] |
| davout: | asciilifeform: the reason some of the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is that they're O(n)? In other words, that the convenience comes at the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy? | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | vice-versa : they have to cost that, because they're stuck papering over the fact that the operator has no idea what he wants. | [09:07] |
| asciilifeform: | well, for starters, much worse than O(n) | [09:07] |
| asciilifeform: | but mircea_popescu nails it. | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | the computer doesn't in the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather than by uncomprehended accidenty. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is altogether not an unreasonable bar for all slavery. | [09:08] |
| asciilifeform: | this is main reason why haskell and other 'lazy eval' systems are malignant | [09:09] |
| asciilifeform: | they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones | [09:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | mistreating the slaves is the ruin of the house. | [09:10] |
| davout: | right. | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | don't tell me all this nonsense now makes sense to you ? | [09:13] |
| davout: | i see your point mucho better | [09:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | well then. | [09:14] |
| davout: | not sure what asciilifeform means in his last comment | [09:16] |
| asciilifeform: | which, davout ? | [09:17] |
| davout: | mircea_popescu: i see the point in general, but i'm not sure i'd take it as far as considering some additional string primitives as being evil | [09:17] |
| davout: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601874 | [09:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 14:09 asciilifeform: they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, entirely depends on your definition of evil, but the point remains they're not helping you, they're just smothering you. | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | aka "you can get some version of what you possibly wanted done very easy at the cost of understanding what you actually wanted or what the hell's the differece." | [09:18] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: in some programming systems, it is very easy to inadvertently ask the machine to solve an np-hard problem. and for 0 good reason, other than that making such a language stroked academitard cocks | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | cue ballas with his "there's a difference between what you need and what you want, and the media will relentlessly give you strings" | [09:18] |
| davout: | asciilifeform: ic | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform it's very symbolically imperial, also. the language of "rights" and "rule of law" makes it trival to start a "war on drugs" or "women against rape". then the state ends and everyone is at a loss why the fuck it did. | [09:20] |
| asciilifeform: | in other languages, e.g., python, ruby, there is a lesser sin, you end up stuffing multitude of O(n) ops in places where you oughta have O(1), O(n^2) ops where with some thought you could've had O(n), etc. and the braindamage adds up | [09:21] |
| davout: | mircea_popescu: yea, i guess the question is where you stop. at which point do you decide that you're going to buy these apples instead of growing them, because ultimately you want an apple pie | [09:21] |
| davout: | asciilifeform: yes | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | davout no, not really, because i buy ~apples~. your question would be "at which point you stop buying canned frozen fruit tm for your apple pie". anyone may give his own answer, but in my case it's long, long ago. | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes i plant my own lovage, in buenos aires, because the plant doesn't exist and "soup condiment mix" doesn't satisfy. | [09:22] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144404199547949@naggum.no.html << from 6th paragraph, with the 'swamp water' | [09:24] |
| * davout | shall read | [09:24] |
| asciilifeform: | '...suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest. you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the | [09:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ll that right away after you made up your mind to veer off the road, and This Is Surely Somebody's Fault...' | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | fwiw i wasn't terribly impressed with that particular statement. | [09:27] |
| asciilifeform: | (piece was not about strings, but another 'need' vs 'want', but otherwise very similar idea) | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually, let me restate it in a form i better like! | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i now have to start writing an article IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING AN ARTICLE. damn you all! | [09:28] |
| asciilifeform: | lel | [09:28] |
| Framedragger: | "so you have two tits right" | [09:28] |
| mod6: | mornin' | [09:29] |
| Framedragger: | o/ | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ < | [09:44] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ << Trilema - The General Brendan Eich, JWZ | [10:02] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/why-politicians-dont-ever-do-anything-for-the-people-a-model/ << Trilema - Why politicians don't ever do anything for the people, a model | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, disinfo farms working overtime, https://cryptome.org/2017/01/Steele-Trump.pdf ( no, does not exist as human text, full of scan-of-scan nonsense, but quite hilarious ) | [11:28] |
| pete_dushenski: | in fiat-btc news, http://beijing.pbc.gov.cn/beijing/132005/3230072/index.html http://shanghai.pbc.gov.cn/fzhshanghai/113571/3230012/index.html | [11:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | "For the recent abnormal operation of Bitcoin trading platform, on January 6 the People's Bank of China Business Management Department, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Financial Affairs jointly met with the relevant regulatory authorities of the "currency network", "currency" and other major currency trading platform responsible person, Understand the operation of the platform, suggesting that the possible | [11:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | legal risks, policy risks and technical risks, requiring their business conduct must be in compliance with relevant laws and regulations and strictly carry out self-examination and related rectification. | [11:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | " | [11:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | from related msm piece, “We’ve been meeting with them regularly over the last two to three years. The only difference is that they talked about it this time,” Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, the world’s largest exchange by trading volume over the past month, told the Financial Times. “I think their intent is to remind the world, ‘The PBoC is on top of this. Don’t let the price go | [11:51] |
| pete_dushenski: | crazy’. That’s their prerogative.” " | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601807 << i looked at his recent pieces, what a massive load of americanized 'misesian', 'randroid' claptrap. mega-snoar. | [12:25] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 11:48 Framedragger: lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | complete with taleb's cockstroking. | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | in late 19th c. usa, the land of p.t. barnum & co, there was a (one of many) mass-hysteria crackpotteries, an obsession with 'properly chewing your food before you swallow it.' complete with maxims such as the unforgettable 'nature shall castigate those who don't masticate!' the hayek, rand, etc. folx reminds me of nothing more than of this. | [12:27] |
| asciilifeform: | !~later tell ben_vulpes how does mimisbrunnr compute the tslb ? (is it the time block was received on your box ? or some other..?) | [12:42] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [12:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: blockchain dot com, ofc | [13:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | no i kid, it's the time at which the node shits ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED | [13:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | into its logs. | [13:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | there is some lag between when it learns about a block and when it reports it to irc, as it dumps and parses blocks, but it reports the logged timestamp accurately to the best of my knowledge. | [13:11] |
| jurov: | http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra | [13:23] |
| trinque: | holy shit, I just considered making a joke that they should have seeds in them. | [13:26] |
| trinque: | incidentally mats, catch any of the mattis confirmation hearing? sounded to be about 50% "but what about the womens and gays?!" before I turned it off. | [13:27] |
| * trinque | welcomes the lulz of the transgendered, seed shooting us.mil of the 21st century | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: aaaah, so there were not necessarily any blox mined in 3sec. | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | but only the familiar blackhole-catchup-blackhole-catchup cycle. | [13:42] |
| trinque: | https://www.rt.com/viral/373450-robot-kill-switches-status/ << in other delusional jackoffs | [13:44] |
| Framedragger: | /msg scriba archivestats | [14:14] |
| Framedragger: | blergh. sorry. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | !~later tell mircea_popescu while sleeping i had a thought re http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function and my earlier attempt thereof likewise : that the thing may not in fact be ~collision-resistant~ (it may not be so difficult to take an arbitrary desired output and find a tape that hashes to it.) | [14:18] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | then again, traditional hash algos 'solve' (i.e. pretend to solve) this by 'every sub-op of hashing affects all output bits' which is largely promisetronic. | [14:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: ah, yeah. less than useful i suppose then if it's mostly an indicator of node state. | [14:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them. | [14:32] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, https://threatpost.com/shadowbrokers-bid-farewell-close-doors/123047/ | [14:57] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in völkischer beobachter , https://archive.is/Xztp7 >> 'In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections. ... Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence | [15:10] |
| asciilifeform: | information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15 ...' | [15:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: 'figthing machines' | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform maybe. show me ? | [15:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i don't have a proggy written, but the general idea is not monumentally arcane -- you simply work backwards | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | from what ? | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | from the output with which you want a collision. | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | elementarily. | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you have neither S nor M. | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | you try all possible combos ? | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | nope | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | when you look for a hash collision, your goal is to find ~some~ M that produces the particular desired R. | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | (to use the nomenclature in mircea_popescu's piece strictly) | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | in my own mind it's about as strong re this as otp, "you can get any message you want back out", but admittedly that's mostly self infatuation | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yes. | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | if you can find ~any~ collision, the hash is broken. | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, it's not collision resistant, yes. | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | so quite useless. | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | you gotta have collision resistance, for almost any practical application. | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | otherwise it reduces to a fancy crc32. | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | (consider one especially disastrous meltdown: in the merkle tree variant of lamport's signature scheme, you are hashing over RNG output. so if ANY collision whatsoever can be found, the enemy can forge signatures at will.) | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | in other cases collisions need some form of structure to be useful, but this is only mild consolation. | [15:33] |
| * asciilifeform | brb, food | [15:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | in other usg scientism: https://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/roke/5-1/roke.2017.01.08.xml | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no food for you yet, you just drew some generalities. | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601928 << when copper's too good, and plastic just good enough! | [15:42] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 18:23 jurov: http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe they should shoot some flaming ice for a change. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601941 << this is a useful record in that one can take the list of mimisbrunnr , which exists timestampted in chan, and compare to list of blockchain.info for instance, see what dt is involved. sum it up over 10k blocks or whatever | [15:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 19:32 ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them. | [15:44] |
| ben_vulpes: | more of an open ended research project than "production blockchain api replacement" | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty ben_vulpes | [15:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | aha | [15:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599758 << i have trouble reconciling the obvious correctness of this statement with the ballooning of complexity in eg webtech | [15:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-09 14:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | re the "research project" : the data's there. if anyone cares, can go use it if not cares, not cares. either way problem solved. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes webtech is not a system with multiple agents. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | monoagent systems can and usually do explode in complexity. it's called solipsist mania / psychosis. | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda why solitary confinement is thought to cause insanity. | [15:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | yeah or why every day i come home there's some gorgeous new socialist propaganda to scour off the walls | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | right, the soviets had the same issue, their ideology became ever more windingly complex. | [15:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | who is the monoagent in webtech? i see a zillion "dev", "companies" etc | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes "the community" | [15:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | (well i meant woman unattended with child for hours on end) | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol ok | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/2012/gtrl-or-gtfo/ << in other great agains from before the great great again. | [15:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: that usg scientism article is a hoot | [16:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | solid chuckles | [16:45] |
| pete_dushenski: | !~ticker | [16:45] |
| jhvh1: | pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 826.21, Best ask: 826.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 826.47, 24 hour volume: 32698.58156695, 24 hour low: 735.0, 24 hour high: 829.8, 24 hour vwap: None | [16:45] |
| Framedragger: | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-strangest-people | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121046 | [17:26] |
| trinque: | !!up whaack | [18:01] |
| deedbot: | whaack voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:01] |
| trinque: | wb | [18:02] |
| whaack: | ty! I just finished setting up a bouncer. Re the last time I was here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550381 my ultimate solution was just clearing my .bitcoin I believe and running it again and it did not get stuck. I never figured out why i was stuck | [18:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-29 18:50 mircea_popescu: whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes. | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [18:07] |
| ben_vulpes: | whaack: is this a trb node? | [18:08] |
| whaack: | yes | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them. | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | gets around the whole "enemy knows who it's talking to" thing. | [18:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | whaack: TIGHT | [18:34] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: neat idea | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're not terribly expensive, if you have an automated process can get 10-20 up at all times with a lifetime no longer than 2-4 weeks for less than 1btc/year. experimentally that's the lower margin of enough. | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | from ancient tomes : "organizarea actuala a Serviciului Statisticei Demografice, destinata a fi una din realizarile cele mai perfectionate existente in prezent, s'a putu face in primul rind datorita concursului acordat de catre Fundatiunea Americana Rockefeller, care, prin conventiunea incheiata cu Ministerul Sanatatii, asigura timp the patru ani insemnate fonduri banesti, pina la un procent de 44.39% din totalul fondului de | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheltuieli, precum si un ajutor tehnic nepretuit." | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | tldr : romanian census 1930 was mostly paid for by the soros foundation of 1930. | [18:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | this included 7 automated punchcard machines, 11 calculators etc. | [18:43] |
| pete_dushenski: | speaking of romanian bits, thanks to the latest trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ and http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ could use translating imo | [18:46] |
| Framedragger: | !$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200 | [18:47] |
| Framedragger: | (scheisse) | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i cant believe i've not translated the two girls one ?! | [18:47] |
| pete_dushenski: | ikr | [18:47] |
| pete_dushenski: | if you have, it doesn't have a trackback at least | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the 2nd one has a proper source, maybe just read the original ? it's a for-romanian-tards discussion of an english piece | [18:48] |
| Framedragger: | !$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200 | [18:48] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | !#s testing production | [18:48] |
| a111: | 22 results for "testing production", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=testing%20production | [18:48] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 79.98.25.200 as seen on 2016-07-12: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3 | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes he's not a lord yet, dun have a castle, what can he do | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | i regard this vast wasteland of unclaimed irc channels | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | and can only ask myself | [18:49] |
| ben_vulpes: | why | [18:49] |
| ben_vulpes: | here | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be a comicv | [18:49] |
| Framedragger: | ^ alright, worx. may not be too terribly useful, but it uses a new l33t backend provided by siphnos.mkj.lt, to be documented later | [18:49] |
| ben_vulpes: | Framedragger: does it run on oleg? | [18:49] |
| phf: | lords of tmsr should have proper attire. something by moebius http://68.media.tumblr.com/2a9f398560cec9d0ddf753a440fafe4f/tumblr_ojakw6ghIS1sndzdgo1_500.jpg | [18:50] |
| Framedragger: | any particular oleg in mind? | [18:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | olegdb! | [18:50] |
| Framedragger: | oleg of novgorod? | [18:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | mircea_popescu: one more for your list :) http://trilema.com/2012/succesiunea-civilizatiilor-in-concretetea-lor-materiala/ | [18:50] |
| Framedragger: | http://olegdb.org/ << ahahaha :D | [18:50] |
| pete_dushenski: | oleganza! | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf to quote from a film i don't recall, "niente coveri, solo corpi di tinere donne" | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | amazing. (nah uses proper postgres!!11) | [18:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski: fuck that guy, he left the only usable visual git client for os x to rot without releasing the source. | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | select count(1) from siphnos_scan1 | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | count | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | ---------- | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | 15399387 | [18:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | Framedragger: are you sure you shouldn't be using olegdb? | [18:51] |
| Framedragger: | pete_dushenski: could you update bots page? `/msg scriba help` is up to date nao | [18:52] |
| Framedragger: | ben_vulpes: i'll transition when i am ready for web scale!! | [18:52] |
| phf: | mircea_popescu: that'll require translation | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women | [18:52] |
| phf: | ha | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | (anyone who tried this knows it's entirely impractical) | [18:53] |
| pete_dushenski: | "Trilema hurt my head on-and-off for Nearly a year.Then it hit me like a ton of bricks-shit." << what chrome thinks my en quote would sound like if it were ro then converted back to en. | [18:53] |
| Framedragger: | > Are you guys CS 100 students? | [18:53] |
| Framedragger: | > We were. Never really made it past that. | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol wut ? | [18:53] |
| Framedragger: | ^ http://olegdb.org/faq.html | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ehehe | [18:53] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: ya no love lost for oleganza anymore. had some fun chatting and dining with him a few years back but he's still not here so not much hope for him really. | [18:54] |
| ben_vulpes: | "a database for when persistence means turning fsync on" | [18:54] |
| pete_dushenski: | Framedragger: on it :) | [18:54] |
| Framedragger: | many thanks :) | [18:54] |
| ben_vulpes: | i am going to raise my hand and ask a stupid question | [18:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | Framedragger: why did count(1) not return 1? | [18:55] |
| Framedragger: | count() takes "what to return for *every* matching row", basically. "1" is also a thing to return, so it returns >15m of "1"s | [18:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | ah | [18:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | the really funny thing is that i ran a similar query against a table with one row | [18:58] |
| Framedragger: | ahh..yeah it's super unintuitive, i think | [18:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | eh, if i'd done it against a table with two rows it'd have made sense immediately. | [18:59] |
| pete_dushenski: | Framedragger: gtg! | [19:00] |
| Framedragger: | pete_dushenski: ah thanks very much, there's another newly documented command `getarchive` in there, could you include that too, please? :) (no hurries tho, it's not like they're super essential anyway heh) | [19:02] |
| phf: | ben_vulpes: it's a silly convention, because count(anything) would've returned the row count. select count(42) from foo would've returned the same result | [19:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | count(first) | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | people generally do count(*) or such | [19:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | i am now more completely aware of the question's stupidity, thank you all. | [19:04] |
| pete_dushenski: | Framedragger: no worries, it's updated. | [19:12] |
| pete_dushenski: | !~isup http://danielpbarron.com/ | [19:16] |
| jhvh1: | pete_dushenski: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down. | [19:16] |
| pete_dushenski: | !$ getarchive http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ | [19:17] |
| scriba: | Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/BYTAJ (this was archived by scriba: yes) | [19:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/9779277632/ << a baby hillary! | [19:22] |
| ben_vulpes: | heh and a case could be made for bill's dong making an appearnace as well | [19:23] |
| * pete_dushenski | has updated eulora ubuntu wiki with danielpbarron's archived site now that foxybot is part of the stock downloaded package | [19:27] |
| * pete_dushenski | learned about wiki hyperlinking in the process. it's... different. | [19:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal. | [19:30] |
| * asciilifeform | caught up. | [19:32] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other other strange that should've died two decades ago but lives, anyone missing their old apple 'portable' now has a latter day option : https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-predator-21x/preview/ | [19:34] |
| ben_vulpes: | featuring ethnic models in gender-bending haircuts! | [19:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | lol detachable numpad wtf monstrosity have you unearthed pete_dushenski | [19:37] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121047 | [19:38] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: i swim in dark waters | [19:38] |
| pete_dushenski: | lotsa "new" shit | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: i just built a heathentron box with very similar specs, for roughly 1/4 the cost | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | (and of very similar physical volume and mass.) | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | 10k usd for lappy is bizzarroworld. | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | (unless the year is 1995 and it's a 'tadpole sparcbook' etc) | [19:41] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski: i am on my own perversely enjoyable swim through the filth atm | [19:43] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: and how much time did it take you ? how much of your incomparable expertise did it require ? if little, and you made laptop not desktop, you win. | [19:43] |
| ben_vulpes: | "thirty minutes and ten years" | [19:44] |
| pete_dushenski: | ^^ | [19:44] |
| pete_dushenski: | "why is this root canal $1000??!" | [19:44] |
| ben_vulpes: | well no that is bullshit | [19:44] |
| ben_vulpes: | "friends with benefits" ifyaknowhaddayemean | [19:44] |
| pete_dushenski: | lol! ok, let's hear it. why is it bullshit ? because you know an indian guy who will do it in the back of his dirty van ? | [19:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | father in law | [19:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | but close | [19:45] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: wtf, didn't make laptop, no | [19:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | but wtf who isn't 2 jumps away from a dentist | [19:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ended up with a thing ~= the size of a breadbox. | [19:45] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: heh. my father in law too. girl idem ) | [19:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | but that still leaves a lotta jews w/o blogs who have no dentist in the fam! | [19:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ~ 35 x 25 x 20 cm. | [19:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | ya fuck 'em, get in the wot | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: and it took a coupla hours. | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | as it always does. | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty unremarkable build. | [19:47] |
| pete_dushenski: | for the ignorant, what is remarkable build ? lispmachine on iphone ? | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | and srsly, pete_dushenski never had to build pc?! | [19:48] |
| pete_dushenski: | or on vtech lappy ? | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | where was he in the 90s | [19:48] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ? | [19:48] |
| asciilifeform: | which q. i'm trying to work in order here | [19:48] |
| pete_dushenski: | you set the bar here, not me. i'm genuinely curious what alfatronic 'remarkable build' looks like. | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | 'remarkable build' for pc would be, say, water cooling thing made from toyota. ( asciilifeform had this nonsense as a student. ) | [19:49] |
| pete_dushenski: | lolk just needed that point of reference. ty. | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate it is about as much of an intellectual exercise as building chair from 'ikea' etc. | [19:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | haha | [19:50] |
| asciilifeform: | you buy the boards, the tin, etc. and they snap together in exactly 1 way. | [19:50] |
| asciilifeform: | the model airplane you glued when you were 5, was harder. | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf are you discussing. | [19:51] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski posted link to $10k x86 lappy. and asciilifeform remarked that it is similar box to what he built for nowhere close to 10k usd. | [19:51] |
| asciilifeform: | file under the 'laptops suck' thread. | [19:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite | [19:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://igoradamenko.github.io/awsm.css/elements.html "div isn't styled because it doesn't have semantic value" << i like this attitude | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy. | [21:09] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1794...4017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB) | [21:16] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...4937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB) | [21:16] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602020 << this is pretty nifty. | [21:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 23:48 scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this. | [21:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them. | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. dulap will occasionally drop zoolag! and there is currently nothing i can do to force it not to | [21:54] |
| asciilifeform: | (and vice-versa) | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | eatblock | [22:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the point is mostly block timing / discovery. you can compare when various anon nodes see blocks to evaluate both the network and any hostile activity. | [22:10] |
| asciilifeform: | nifty idea overall. | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | basic tool of bitcoin network intel. | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand happy fri the 13th | [22:22] |
| asciilifeform: | phf's logtron down?? | [23:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol, ben_vulpes spent all the effort ridding himself of disposable VPS constructs, and now has problem which suggest leaning on them again | [23:14] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: works here | [23:15] |
| asciilifeform: | noworky here | [23:17] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1442...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB) | [23:26] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...1933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB) | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform: | aaand it's back | [23:34] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: they were doing an update on your mitmtron, all done now | [23:36] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...1637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) | [23:36] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...7073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) | [23:36] |
| asciilifeform: | lul | [23:36] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...4983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ) | [23:53] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ) | [23:53] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ turda was that salt mine, neh...? | [23:54] |
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