Forum logs for 09 May 2016
| trinque: | shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully | [00:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, the wiki is written in lisp ?! | [00:00] |
| trinque: | sho nuff | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | win. | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only problem with lisp though | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that there are no real world applications that make use of it. | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | o btw trinque you were all into big data and sql and shit, how's http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ look to you ? | [00:02] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i looked at it. | [00:02] |
| asciilifeform: | seems to resolve to the 'knapsack problem.' | [00:03] |
| trinque: | lol yeah, teh republic's trying to bring back teh lisp! | [00:03] |
| * trinque | reads | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform it ALSO is the absolute matrix-mother of ALL usg-tronic "intellectual propety" | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | howsthat | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | think for a moment, what is the nsa supposedly doing ? taking THAT EXACT db and establishing "who's a terrorist". | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's google's/facebook's/etc supposed stock in trade ? "oh, we took that EXACT db and... established prices of things" | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | etc. you can not in fact find a "blue chip" as the notion has been tarnished today that does anything else as its business than... that. | [00:04] |
| asciilifeform: | google gosplan !111111111 | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | and most of the ustardian cults are ALSO predicated on some mystical voodoo solution to it, also. | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | from "liberal" to "lesswrong" and back again. the feminists wish REALLY HARD for some primitives they found to be supported by it. etc. | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform: | anyway gosplan does not and does not even seriously pretend to work by solving the motherfukcing equation, but instead it cuts the princesses' feet to fit the shoes when necessary. | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform: | under that set of constraints, 'worx1!11111111!' | [00:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | except this requirement is in there! "provide justification". | [00:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | and well... not trivial, either. | [00:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | for that matter, the fed is spending all the resources of pretty much everyone in finance speaking english today to try and come out with a "passible solution" to mp's problem, that they doublespeak as "market stability" and so on and so forth. | [00:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | the laws get ever longer, so-and-so's rule, criteria and blabla, but the solution comes no closer. | [00:07] |
| * trinque | will try to fit this in head after a cycle in his regeneration pod | [00:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy. | [00:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | ticker --market all | [01:20] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 456.58, vol: 1554.57518222 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.661, vol: 3356.37957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 458.17, vol: 6664.73925998 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 2.24548227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.841968, vol: 17044.27550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.76, vol: 617.26018576 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.4984, vol: 18.74667532 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) | [01:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | more | [01:22] |
| gribble: | 455.504084386 | [01:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hhhola! | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | $up hax404 | [08:38] |
| deedbot: | hax404 voiced for 30 minutes. | [08:38] |
| danielpbarron: | $v 40C1444EF15BAAD33D8DC6E2C850B70C54AB16444CD49B154FED054ADD2B21D4 | [09:12] |
| deedbot: | danielpbarron rated zakorus123 1 << Euloran who bought some threads from me | [09:12] |
| shinohai: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-09-may-2016#2091574 <<< thx trinque I did register account yesterday and am poring over old wiki materials this morning. | [09:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 04:00 trinque: shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | win. | [09:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | $up adlai | [09:25] |
| deedbot: | adlai voiced for 30 minutes. | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsllt0hfEF1r33v5zo1_1280.jpg | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other news, "Dans leurs regards indifférents flottait la quiétude de passions journellement assouvies et, à travers leurs manières douces, perçait cette brutalité particulière que communique la domination de choses à demi faciles, dans lesquelles la force s'exerce et où la vanité s'amuse, le maniement des chevaux de race et la société des femmes perdues." | [11:02] |
| shinohai: | http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/north-carolina-hb2-justice-department-deadline/ <<< Preet: Why can't everyone just shit together in the street like back home in India? | [11:20] |
| asciilifeform: | l0l they've banned mircea_popescu ! | [11:22] |
| asciilifeform: | (who iirc has never set foot in a mens' room, out of pr1nc1pl3) | [11:23] |
| asciilifeform: | savages. | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait whi ? | [11:26] |
| asciilifeform: | 'North Carolina has filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Justice Department to defend House Bill 2, a law that bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond with their biological sex, according to a court document.' | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not that never by any means. | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i also didn't pretend i'm a woman or anything. just, you know, these sorts of rules, psshh. they're lulzy because the pretense is always one way (protect teh modesty of teh ladies, o noes, as if), whereas the actual cause is exactly opposite (dudes can't fucking piss with women there). | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | what'dbe wrong with locking stalls in 1 shit hall for everybody. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | that you can't pee with a hard-on. | [11:32] |
| asciilifeform: | hm point | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | and you get hard-ons for all sorts of dumb reasons such as chick's perfume. | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | AND if you get a hardon while needing to pee, which is why you're there, it'll be a bitch to get yourself out of it as pressure is a signal. | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | little bit of fuck you from Mz Anatomy there. | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | point!! | [11:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, in egypt trains (not the "expensive" stuff where you get the whole compartment and there's a gay waiter in livery to attend to your every whim, the common cattle hauling things) are also gender segregated. and we (ie, me and chet) climbed in the girl one, which amused teh women no end and really bothered the dudes. | [11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | the REASON it bothered the dudes is that now they couldn't tell themselves that it's ok they're not running amok among the smiling she-herd, grabing all the tits, because "you can't get in there". manifestly you can, and a foreigned=loser to boot, so they can^2, and what fucking difference does it make HE doesn't go japanese-subway-porn-berserk, that's because he's a loser=foreigner, nevermind that part! | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | people's heads, you know. their very own, private and most deserved punishment. | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | speaking of my punishment, i finally had the mega-satisfaction of resigning from $rupturefarm | [11:51] |
| danielpbarron: | congrats! | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | just signed 5min ago. | [11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | $up fromphuctor | [11:58] |
| deedbot: | fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | eh | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao need to carry the $up gun on the hip | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | like old style west. | [12:09] |
| asciilifeform: | speaking of, | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | soooomebody, it seems, is still feeding phuctor | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | a teaspoon-full at a time | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i imagine people interested, neh ? | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [12:11] |
| danielpbarron: | https://bitbet.us/bet/1255/thedao-to-be-the-largest-crowdsale-ever/ << can anyone see this page? it works on my iPhone in chrome but it doesn't work in chromium on gentoo.. | [12:27] |
| danielpbarron: | on a very related note, bitbet appears to be back | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey it's back ? | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | was trying to write a qntra on it, but ran into this serving-different-content-to-different-browsers weirdness | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope, connection reset. | [12:29] |
| danielpbarron: | one sec, taking screenshots on my phone | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | https too eh ? | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | l0l! nsacoin at last ! | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://dpaste.com/1GFYZ4G << badly set-up ssl | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: or on the contrary | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | well-setup up usgssl. | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | for lol-enforcement!111 purporses. | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess. | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | as somebody said to a famous aircraft designer: 'FLY in it?! i won't WALK under it' | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other Carmen the Beercunt news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8cf392f56702d6dee3f8bd4cb58652ad/tumblr_mnegum7DcF1rhlfrbo1_1280.jpg | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | BET in it?! i dun recommend LOADING it | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | https://bitbet.us/faq/#liveagain << related. | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah no that's not the new one | [12:42] |
| danielpbarron: | the new one has a LOT of bold red text | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | well archive is doesn't see it either, that's the extent of my patience. | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/2BV2PW0.txt | [12:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | "One thing to be aware of: the bets that were cancelled because of the transition are still visible on the site and have all been resolved as "NO". " uh... ok ? | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | "While this may feel inconsistent (the proper resolution should be "CANCELED & REFUNDED"), there is a limitation in the current design of the system that prevents us from doing anything else." << this is an odd claim. | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose the admin interface as-was does not provide a ready way to cancel bets that had already closed at the whatever arbitrary timepoint. but still, database is database, what. | [12:49] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/new_bitbet.png | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | keeping the "try to chisel, lose your capital" rule it seems. oh and all the scandal and "mp is a scammer" that came from that one, golly. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | turns out the veterinarian can not actually direct his practice by the bellows of the pack animal. who knew! | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron lol. | [12:52] |
| asciilifeform: | chisel? | [12:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform it's a term of art. | [12:53] |
| danielpbarron: | and i won't bother with the faq since apparently ascii got a text version of it | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | $google "i used a little information for a chisel, that's all" | [12:53] |
| deedbot: | No results. | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh gtfo ? | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform there's an underworld of hustlers and small time, nonviolent criminals, with its own cant. to chisel is to use an informational asymmetry for a small, distributed gain. | [12:54] |
| asciilifeform: | arbitrage ? | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bank fraud where a coupla clerks reprogrammed the system to have all cent fractions added up to their account is a very typical chisel. | [12:54] |
| asciilifeform: | ah, salami | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, arbitrage aha. | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | arbitrage is to be an economic engine. | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | Could I become an affiliate? Not at this time, although this may change in the future. Could I become a partner? Not at this time. Can I advertise on BitBet? Not at this time, although this may change in the future. | [13:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | in fairness, the "community" had two years to run off with one of the more generous aff systems in history, twiddled its thumbs. | [13:01] |
| trinque: | that "google custom search api" thing does actually hand back zero results for certain queries it seemingly shouldn't | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | happy v-day folx. | [13:10] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, i just recently found out about the junkers ju390 in buenos aires 1945 thing. | [13:10] |
| danielpbarron: | later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/bitbet-is-live-again.asc.txt | [13:28] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | from the dept of lulz: | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | 'They suggest that when people fly in economy class, their position in the social hierarchy becomes glaringly obvious. This fact is especially so if they have to walk through the first class section of the plane to get to their assigned space in a cramped hell.' | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/air-rage-is-more-common-when-economy-class-passengers-see-first-class ) | [13:45] |
| j-dawg: | lol "they suspected these explanations are missing something." | [14:08] |
| j-dawg: | i won't ever forget my first time on transatlantic economy flight. couldn't sleep due to vibrations, terminally bored and pretty close to rage even without thoughts about first class | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow the very concept of economy class flight is dubious. | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | either you're good enough to fly or you aren't, wtf is this subway in the air. | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | real demigodz buy own 747!111111 | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i can readily see usg womanchild losing her shit because it's the first time in her life that he encounters the implacable "sit down and shut up, worm" | [14:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | (in the above context, "her" is a genderless pronoun used to denote stupidity) | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | for every mircea_popescu paying in actual dough for firstclass, there's a platoon of apparatchiks, of various usgtronic flavours, who 'expense'. | [14:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | large part of the problem. | [14:20] |
| asciilifeform: | so my reaction to parading through firstclass is similar to seeing 'zil' limousine, or its usg equiv. | [14:20] |
| j-dawg: | phf: btcbase.org doesn't track V itself or rotor? | [14:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | congrats asciilifeform | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ty ben_vulpes | [14:59] |
| phf: | j-dawg: btcbase secretly tracks btcbase itself, since i'm experimenting with (load-v "foo.vpatch") type thing, but that's not public. i don't think there's a proper vtronic chain of V or rotor available, so unless i generate those myself there's nothing i can track | [15:01] |
| phf: | i think i saw mod6 vpatch's for v.pl, but afaik there's no genesis for those, etc. | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | later tell mircea_popescu http://phrack.org/issues/69/2.html#article << lulzy | [15:33] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform oh yeah, dumbass bbs people and their "nick" notions. | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had forgotten. | [15:36] |
| asciilifeform: | much nostalgia in one box, tho. | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | demigods know not nostalgia! | [15:37] |
| asciilifeform: | humans - do. | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | looky, he uses the same hardware you use :D | [15:37] |
| asciilifeform: | from other articles in same issue, | [15:39] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Then, in Dec 2011, Asheesh, a Debian dev particularly fond of his key ID, found a way to create a new RSA 4096 key with that ID (and a bug in GnuPG handling of duplicate keys) [2]. He highlighted the disruptive potential of that and decided not to release the code. Bummer. | [15:39] |
| asciilifeform: | ' | [15:39] |
| j-dawg: | phf: v genesis does exist: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000153.html | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | j-dawg: aha, that's mine | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | w99w99... check it out... soon enough all the ancient scene is going to pop back up, myth and all. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | in museum. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | it cannot exist today just like the prehistoric dragonflies cannot | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | wrong gases in atmosphere... | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. i just meant the names. | [15:45] |
| asciilifeform: | l0lk | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | (incidentally, there was at least one example of well known, functional, wot-only system online. teh scene.) | [15:46] |
| asciilifeform: | countless little worlds. | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | probably the reason copyrasts didn't get away with much over 30 years of trying. no, it wasn't reddit, no "raising awareness" did jack. | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | any two kidz passing floppies back'n'forth were a world. | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | but it also helped that enemy could not even for a millisecond masquerade as a real person. | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite like gossipd works yes | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | in america they called it 'sneakernet' | [15:48] |
| phf: | biggest japan pirate network was an invite only wot based around harddrive exchange, with the "if your friend's a rat, you're a rat" policy | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | note also that the groups were both distinct from the topsites let alone couriers, and also had their own artgroups! | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | who remembers the wonderful crack 'demos' ! | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | complete with music | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | The Humble Guys! | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | Adaz! | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | not accolade, thc convinced me of the possibility of computers | [15:50] |
| davout: | "here, have a quake 2 in 287 bytes" | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | olo | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | Razor! | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | a yes also | [15:51] |
| phf: | razor was the last one to go | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | fuyck it's online | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf also latecomer iirc | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J2qWPwUL9U | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | i personally cracked a very tough cookie of a commercial proggy a few yrs back, and had... no place to put. | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | (incidentally - to dragon's eyes we work as if we were there. recall - you ftp'd to site then had it read into irc ?) | [15:53] |
| j-dawg: | mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v? | [15:53] |
| j-dawg: | v.pl i mean | [15:54] |
| phf: | j-dawg: i think there's a general "fear" of publishing a dodgy vpatch so everyone's hedging. i think that's one of the reasons for asciilifeform's vector | [15:55] |
| j-dawg: | but i am asking about publishing patches about your own code | [15:55] |
| asciilifeform: | phf has it | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | considering all this is yet new... | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | j-dawg: i suspect that folks, even incl. mod6, are still cautious of firing v in anger in the field | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, some extruding pressure must be applied to get people to use the proper tool | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | sorta why i tried to keep mine TINY | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | so it can be swallowed WHOLE | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | and you can feel entirely confident jumping with the parachute. | [15:57] |
| j-dawg: | oh now i see he actually did http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000178.html | [15:58] |
| phf: | j-dawg: right, i think that's the one that's missing genesis though. so it's sort of a hybrid, you need original v.pl and then you press with a vpatch. i don't think that's the right way | [15:59] |
| phf: | of course producing genesis from original v.pl and then using mod6's vpatch will give you a proper chain | [16:00] |
| j-dawg: | but anyone can make the genesis, no? | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform check it out, to this day the nebulously defined "community" around warez standard has a) not moved away from rar b) not allowed unicode in names. | [16:07] |
| asciilifeform: | why would it ? | [16:07] |
| phf: | still packs torrents full of rar r00 r01 r02 files | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | modern ? | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno mang, apparently one can't think without ideograms or something. | [16:08] |
| j-dawg: | i have seen fair share of torrents with unicode filenames | [16:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're prolly looking at p2p garbage. | [16:09] |
| j-dawg: | yes, i only have p2p garbage, never was very sociable | [16:09] |
| j-dawg: | nor wanted to pay for alt.bin access | [16:10] |
| j-dawg: | unrelated, how do i search the logs for 't'? since there's no info on ml... | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=t :D | [16:12] |
| j-dawg: | 500+ entries in 0.0s yay | [16:12] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+t+%22 | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+T%22 << check out how nicely this works | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf still needs a command | [16:13] |
| phf: | i was thinking of maybe making standalone keywords search for a word, but if you want to grep, surround it with quotes. "t" will behave as now, where's t will behave as "^t " or " t$" or " t " | [16:15] |
| j-dawg: | http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816239 typical result :D | [16:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-08-30 08:31 Vexual: there you go caz, big fat hares t whever punk is | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | j-dawg which one is t again ? | [16:16] |
| j-dawg: | http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, mod6 introduced it recently. faster to search from:mod6 and go backwards. | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's ~2 weeks old if that. | [16:16] |
| j-dawg: | if i ever release anything related to tmsr, will name it " ". | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you going to be the hacker formerly known as j-dawg ? | [16:21] |
| j-dawg: | heh | [16:22] |
| j-dawg: | and i'll move to FYROM! | [16:22] |
| phf: | can release anything with unicode in name, and search will happily barf. only uses mp approved letters to operate | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | fuck stop giving him ideas | [16:23] |
| j-dawg: | but that was not unicode, that was plain old space (0x20) | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's gonna release u-psilon the dating app or something | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | SPACE IS FOR HUSSIES! | [16:24] |
| j-dawg: | and second version will be named 0x19, and so on to final version 0x00. no unicodez!!! | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:24] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] A Form Of BitBet Online Again - http://qntra.net/2016/05/a-form-of-bitbet-online-again/ | [16:25] |
| davout: | danielpbarron: maybe mention the znort guy by name in the qntra piece, dude's wot'd after all | [16:27] |
| davout: | kinda outdated though | [16:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | $up AaronvanW | [16:37] |
| deedbot: | AaronvanW voiced for 30 minutes. | [16:37] |
| asciilifeform: | later tell BingoBoingo http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/04/estero-man-arrested-hacking-into-state-lee-elections-website-david-levin-dan-sinclair/83921672 | [17:24] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [17:24] |
| asciilifeform: | later tell mircea_popescu https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104 << vintage lulz. bios rootkit in 2011, in intel-branded mb, pretty good evidence but nobody believed (tm) | [17:30] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [17:54] |
| shinohai: | X marks the spot: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462829659462.jpg | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i find it hard to believe nobody actually had done hardware parallelization in 2007. | [18:02] |
| asciilifeform: | virtualization | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Моему удивлению не было предела: номер биоса был тем же самым, образы биоса совпадали побайтно, но по какой-то причине серийные материнские платы заработали только тогда, когда я залил в них такой же биос, взятый сайта Intel" vs "Стало ясно, | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | что платы из Китая содержат дополнительные программные модули, прошитые в биосе, а стандартные программы анализа эти модули не увидели." so does it or doesn't it coincide to the byte ? | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform: | one had extra modules, flashed in by updater, it looks like. | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform: | so the turd he was diffing matched, but there was moar. | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then not byte-identical | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well... i don't like the style of the author. | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | well you gotta follow along, first half is in state of ignorance | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | yaya. and he checked everything and he fell in a state of stupour. | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | he read too much gawker. | [18:08] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun think gawker has yet been invented in ru world. | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | must've, the brainrot is specifically symptomatic. | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a wonder the 2nd para doesn't start with "it's a cold muscovite october and the snow crackles under the steps..." or somesuch shit. | [18:09] |
| asciilifeform: | y'know, there is > 1 way to rot brain | [18:09] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g., drink | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | never to the same. | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | all happy brains are similar all rotten ones so very different. or how did that quote go. | [18:09] |
| asciilifeform: | sumthinglikethat | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform: | but actually i find that rotten brains are very - at least externally - similar | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform: | because they tend to fall into sync with mass idiocies | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform: | whereas healthy brain each has own theorems. | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, i guess this wonder'll be dissected another time. on the strenght of his report, i dun feel inclined to look into the matter any. | [18:12] |
| asciilifeform: | old nyooz, the key bit is the part with the timing analysis | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | it showed a quite 'amateur hour' telltale delta, given as the hypervisor can't move the wall clock ~on the fucking wall~ and you can see that it slows the box. | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform it's almost a wonder these people choke on the oh-so-well written phuctor reports. considering the sort of inept bullshit floating about, you'd think they'd fall on knees and worship. | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | BUT this was before the 'nsa core' was added to intel cpu. | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | in ~those~ days they had to actually run on the x86 cores. | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | "hey, unlike everything else, at least this one doesn't have 5kb of crud prior to the interesting bit" | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform: | they choke ~because~ it has no crud padding | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'what does this MEAN?!!!!' | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i dunno, got a noggin ?" | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucktards. you just read it, son of a drunk fucker! why ask ME what it means! what are you for! | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | but in other news : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b834e2676b055d1c5c152b4d705a9bfc/tumblr_nmnv72XTNH1scjhrvo1_250.gif | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids". | [18:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | "yeggogology" lol | [18:36] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465311 << how come? | [19:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 22:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating. | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ? | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only option for the non-elitist, other than feeding the worms immediately, is a life of hypocrisy. there is nothing above, beyond or outside of elitism | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're a woman you can be a cow. if you're not, there's nothing. that's it. | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | generally this "why can't we all get along, you don't really HAVE to hold your legs crossed like that in the subway, not REALLY, do you" bullshit readily irritates me. | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | the intimation that losing it means you've "grown up" is particularly pernicious. you don't "grow up" by going bald. you just grow old, is all. | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | all the bullshit about a very faux, miserable definition of "ethics" - no, ethics is pointedly NOT what he thinks, not anymore than capitalism is what the us runs all the bullshit about how "it's not a game anymore" as if a) it ever was and b) the losers, ie, "law enforcement", derpy marketeers and generally the feminine enemy is possibly ever in any manner even conceivably winning anything... | [19:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | gtfo already. it never was a game, it was always rape, and we always raped them. what "not a game anymore". | [19:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | strip or i'll make you. | [19:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. irreconcilable differences. | [19:27] |
| mod6: | <+j-dawg> mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v? << yeah, i feel like, it's not yet mature enough to warrent its own genesis. | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | will have to be done eventually. | [19:44] |
| mod6: | yeah, no doubt. | [19:44] |
| mod6: | but for instance, let's just say that everything about the graphing or whatever things were being discussed this weekend were wrong. | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | new v. | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean new genesis. | [19:45] |
| mod6: | then we'd have one nasty genesis. | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ? | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | this has ~never stopped nature, has it ? hence byproducts like trump, obama, clinton, bush etc. | [19:45] |
| mod6: | well, i guess i was hoping that more people would use it. | [19:45] |
| mod6: | and it's actually quite hard to get people to use it it turns out. | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only way you'll ever find out it was wrong would be through people using it | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then they'll use the new one. | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | although some pretty major cataclysm is needed to invalidate a genesis. you can just patch it into correctness downstream neh ? | [19:46] |
| mod6: | ofc | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if it gets gnarly, rebasing is your friend. | [19:47] |
| mod6: | i guess i don't see much of a reason to rush this | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | no reason to rush it, no. but still... hasta be done :) | [19:47] |
| mod6: | fair enough. | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | (this, incidentally, has some interesting interplay with key updates - suddenly in a V world, the principal reason to get a new key is, "i'm sick of all tyhe old bullshit, wanna take a year off and rebase everything. here's my new key.") | [19:48] |
| shinohai: | mod6 survived Monday. [~]D | [19:48] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: ah yeah. some of this crossed my mind. | [19:49] |
| mod6: | i also think that V might get a huge overhaul perhaps. | [19:50] |
| mod6: | this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. | [19:50] |
| mod6: | although, i haven't done enough thinking on this yet to actually have a plan or anything. just throwing that out there. | [19:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. it's all yet new. | [19:50] |
| mod6: | but, either way, could still be integrated downstream | [19:51] |
| mod6: | and perhaps thats better anyway. | [19:51] |
| mod6: | *shrug* | [19:51] |
| mod6: | i'll y to make some steps towards getting a genesis going -- gotta get through this `t' stuff first tho | [19:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | works. | [19:53] |
| mod6: | i'm getting closer with that part, just trying to make the graphing a bit better. | [19:53] |
| mod6: | <+shinohai> mod6 survived Monday. [~]D << yea! | [19:53] |
| * mod6 | tips his hat to shinohai | [21:27] |
| mod6: | He's already plugged in and doing things with wiki.deedbot.org :] | [21:28] |
| mod6: | Thanks for getting him going trinque, this is most important work. And salud to you for providing the framework! | [21:28] |
| shinohai: | I like the framework, simple no nonsense | [21:30] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. | [21:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465316 << not why i linked it, but this is a point. | [21:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 23:20 mircea_popescu: because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ? | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465312 << not sure what it has to do with 'smart kidz' though. it is really more about folks who have been behind the barbed wire for too long, of whatever level | [21:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 22:27 mircea_popescu: as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids". | [21:35] |
| mod6: | alf: congrats on the quitting | [21:42] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. << yeah i gotta re-read all of this stuff again. | [21:43] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: i suggested it for pgptron | [21:53] |
| mod6: | ah. | [22:01] |
| mod6: | hrm. must have mis-remembered that | [22:01] |
| asciilifeform: | on 2nd thought i never said precisely where. | [22:02] |
| asciilifeform: | but signatures are produced in pgptron, not in v. | [22:02] |
| mod6: | i need to look again,but have handsfull at current second | [22:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform no. it's the sort of kid that seeks approval in school. | [22:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | this usually overlaps with the subset that has any chance at getting any. | [22:32] |
| asciilifeform: | ah l0l! the grinding wheels ! | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [23:00] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'seeks approval' kid | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a typical behaviour of the weak (which is how women end up so ensconced in the general aspic of stupid womanhood), that's veheheeerily carefully cultivated by socialist/female society. | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | the difference being that there's good anatomic reasons for female physical weakness there's no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude. | [23:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | but they teach girls to "not can" math with the same instruments. | [23:03] |
| asciilifeform: | ftr i disagree with 'no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude' | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | recall the chimp cage in the zoo ? | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh. | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | what if you have NO USE for chimps. | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | none, whatsoever. | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | no matter if there is no one else around. | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | experimentally, intelligent girls they forget to teach about how they're creative and can't learn math accidentally learn math just like normal human beings. idem intelligent boys they forget to teach they should be shy and inept do just fine. in other news, http://i40.tinypic.com/69i0dz.jpg | [23:07] |
| asciilifeform: | l0l! | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform: | i still wonder why cn forgave the 'accidenting' of its embassy so easily. | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform: | (y'know, the place where the carcass was stored) | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow nobody makes any hay of the fact that THE SERBS WERE INTERCEPTING NATO MILITARY COMMS. IN 1999! | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform: | https://cryptome.org/2016-info/cia-obl-snafu/cia-obl-snafu.htm << somewhat related lulz. | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | expired cert ? | [23:17] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, but who gives a fuck | [23:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | why the fuck even bother with https already. it's insecure, we know this.they don't even cursory make an attempt. what's next, go on tor ? | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | i have nfi | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | why does cargocult airplane need straw propeller. | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ask them, not me. | [23:18] |
| * mircea_popescu | doesn't read it. fucking derps. | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.is/WMjTV << cured. | [23:19] |
| asciilifeform: | special for mircea_popescu . | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | why thank you. and speaking of dubiosenii, | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | later tell gwern hey, you around ? | [23:19] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [23:19] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally might ask archive.is why they ssl. | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | these people are idiots. the mock-up is accurate. | [23:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | derps never been on a movie set. | [23:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | "accurate" in this context does not mean "geometrically identical to rando tourist with a camera", but "of such configuration all scripted scenes can be filmed without visible difference". you can fold it, which is what they did. burbank does the exact fucking thing all the time. | [23:22] |
| asciilifeform: | perhaps they forgot that the real scene does not fold to fit the chopper... | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, i imagine it must utterly suck to work pr for the usarmy etc. you're stuck reading the internet, this unique mezclado of pointed ignorance and cured coincidence. | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the fucking chopper pilot needed a lifesized model to land his bird... | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | grunts on the ground need the fucking model, because muscle memory. | [23:33] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] Insurgent Florida Politician Arrested After Auditing Local Election Website Security - http://qntra.net/2016/05/insurgent-florida-politician-arrested-after-auditing-local-election-website-security/ | [23:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^ asciilifeform | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | win. | [23:47] |
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