Forum logs for 06 Oct 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: Hitting the same 4 ip addresses [04:50]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq [04:53]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you know what very well what to answr. [04:54]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: apparently the latech folx were dropped as babies, so you may have to draw'em a picture. explaining that if they continue in this vein, and we leave, they will not be paid. [04:58]
asciilifeform: and dun fughet to mention that they are in breech of contract. [05:00]
BingoBoingo: I take these as orders to go to sleep and see what the morning holds. [05:01]
asciilifeform: no. first you send'em a FuCkNO [05:01]
asciilifeform: wtf srsly [05:01]
asciilifeform: no. consent. to. ip. blackholes. [05:02]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They received an order not to do that yesterday as you read. [05:02]
asciilifeform: do i have to draw ~you~ a picture, BingoBoingo ? stop enabling the derps by nodding along [05:03]
asciilifeform: they'll take silence as nod [05:03]
BingoBoingo: After how long? [05:04]
asciilifeform: bot already missing lines. will fix tomorrow, supposing can even connect. [05:04]
asciilifeform: errybody plox to use the working bots. [05:05]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me that the latech people need regular reinforcement, like rug pissing dog. ( ideally -- shock collar ) [05:06]
* asciilifeform with massive headache, goes to lie down [05:08]
mp_en_viaje: the whole uruguay thing not going all that great, huh. [08:45]
mp_en_viaje: hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ? [08:48]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right [08:51]
mp_en_viaje: neways, i guess it's high time i edit the "logs" link on trilema sidebar [08:54]
mp_en_viaje: anyone i'm missing besides http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema an [08:54]
mp_en_viaje: hmmm hey lobbes : http://www.ericbenevides.com/ ? [08:55]
mp_en_viaje: ah yes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log there we go. [08:57]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/albertina-hurr/ << Trilema -- Albertina hurr [10:05]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in redditard contemporary fiction, "Havin’ kids is a bitch. It’s like slammin’ the fucking breaks on every hope, dream & aspiration you’ve ever had in your entire life, simultaneously, unless of course you’re like most women and having kids was your only & every hope, dream & aspiration you’ve ever fucking had since the second you came out of the last woman with the exact same original fucking epiphany, [11:37]
mp_en_viaje: but for A Real Man who intends on being fucking present for his child’s childhood, or someone with a sincere desire to accomplish something truly unique, unlike bringing another 18 year contractual obligation into the world, like say, inventing electricity, writing one of the greatest books in the history of mankind or building an empire from scratch, it’s like hitting a fucking brick wall with your face at a 100 miles [11:37]
mp_en_viaje: per hour on a fucking bicycle, which could have easily been avoided entirely by simply tapping the brakes, unlike getting a woman pregnant which unfortunately, there are no brakes for, only propellants and accelerants to the tune of jet fuel and C4 and most rational people would opt out of plowing teeth first into cinder block." [11:37]
mp_en_viaje: apparently every demented fuck, unfit to be a waiter / plumber / whatever servile profession, nevertheless readily gratulates self with REAL manhood and "building empires from scratch". [11:38]
diana_coman: I wish they'd start with inventing at least a less predictable rant really just as warm up for all those electricities they'll surely invent. [11:49]
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940762 - if you want specifically trilema, it should be /log/trilema without it you'll get to whichever chan is first in the list but there's no guarantee that won't change, in principle [11:51]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 05:57:50 mp_en_viaje: ah yes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log there we go. [11:51]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, okay, just for you, the next paragraph : [11:52]
mp_en_viaje: (are you ready ?) [11:52]
mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far as I k [11:52]
mp_en_viaje: now there are only 3 possible ways not to get a girl pregnant in America today. A, never fucking meet her, 2, never, ever let her touch your dick and Charlie, fuck her exclusively in the ass, never allowing her grab your pecker except with the inside of her sphincter, using a condom, spermicide and flushing her out with a God damn fire hose when you’re done and finally, but most importantly get a fucking vasectomy now boy! [11:52]
mp_en_viaje: “A Real Man always uses birth control, by shooting his fucking loads in the back of their throats and watching them fucking swallow it.” [11:52]
mp_en_viaje: and yes, that's right : redditard.ARealMan gotta have a vasectomy. realization through derealization &c. [11:53]
mp_en_viaje: https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? [11:57]
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: by that point I suspect it's the fantasy of a fantasy in a fantasy really. [11:58]
diana_coman: ranting at a hypothetic result of a dreamed encounter and so on. [11:58]
mp_en_viaje: wen that azn tard hurr-durred about butterflies dreaming we thought it was cute. meanwhile... [11:59]
mp_en_viaje: "Being an asshole and being proud of it, never fucking a girl off video and getting a vasectomy have been the 3 pinnacle factors that have saved me the most amount of trouble and aggravation since my divorce and with any luck, they’ll do the same for you." [11:59]
mp_en_viaje: you know, i once knew a girl made by one of these. she was... pretty well traumatized. [11:59]
mp_en_viaje: "Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I don’t love you son, I love you more than I ever thought I could possibly love anyone or anything, including myself, which I’ve done plenty of, I’m just saying that having you wasn’t a fucking choice, it wasn’t my God damn choice anyway and because that fucking choice was made for me without an ounce of God damn consultation or input from me whatsofuckingever, in spite of th [12:00]
mp_en_viaje: e fact that I was going to have to pay for all of it, welcome to ‘Merica, I had to make a couple of hard fucking choices on my own. At the time, I was finished with the military, or better yet, the politics of the assholes I got stuck working with in the service and my marriage and I was ready to get fucking divorced and start my whole fucking life over, again, from fucking scratch, again, but if it weren’t for bad luck, [12:00]
mp_en_viaje: I wouldn’t have any God damn luck at all, so that was the exact fucking moment in time when your mom, my very fucking soon to be ex-fucking-wife, got fucking pregnant with you and extended my sentence and community service for another twenty God damn years." << o look, military dood too, to no-one's surprise. [12:00]
mp_en_viaje: "As a man with a fucked up childhood myself, not wanting to genocide yours, therefore breaking the unbreakable pattern that selfish pricks like my parents never even attempted to break, I decided to jump in on this whole parenting thing head fucking first with both fucking feet. “A Real Man always takes his responsibility as a parent seriously, even if it fucking ruins every other aspect of his life.” [12:03]
mp_en_viaje: Hi, I’m John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, I’m gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man." [12:03]
* diana_coman still receives on various profiles all sorts of invites with pics that ~always are here-s-my-military-uniform-and-look-money [12:03]
mp_en_viaje: ok, ima stop doing this now. john d. picasso can wait for albertina do display his hankies. [12:03]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, lol srsly ?! [12:03]
diana_coman: yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with anything ie it's just another sort of spam. [12:04]
mp_en_viaje: it's pretty lulzy how the https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/fat_hairy_guy_on_bed_with_guns.jpeg portion of the "oh, women only want to become mothers" binome is always very... discreetly passed over in silence in these "awakening" manalone wankterials. [12:04]
mp_en_viaje: but it takes two to make a mittelamerica marriage, and the "look, military uniform and roasted ham" portion's just as much involved. [12:05]
mp_en_viaje: the part where his inner thighs are shades of brown giving way to shades of yellow is presumably supposed to pass in silence because look, hairmop ? [12:06]
mp_en_viaje: something like that at any rate. [12:06]
mp_en_viaje: "Choice # 1, I could’ve been your average selfish prick, divorced your mom, stayed put & rode that motherfucker out till the wheels fell off, that being my insanely successful burgeoning radio / nightclub & mobile DJ careers which would’ve immediately brought me mountains of money, piles of pussy and lasting local fame and God only knows what else in the long run. I gotta admit, that was a pretty sweet fuckin’ option." [12:15]
mp_en_viaje: the extremely successful (past tense) burgeoning (future expectation). since he was pretty confident in the future yesterday, it therefore follows that today he's not merely the man of yesterday, but rather, the man of today. with yesterday under his belt, he can safely belch like he's old money, and why the fuck not! [12:16]
diana_coman: he'd probably have got the piles, have to grant him that. [12:16]
diana_coman: that lasting-local-fame is a thing. [12:17]
mp_en_viaje: it's called il capitano for a reason, i guess. [12:17]
mp_en_viaje: but it's pretty fucking hysterical, what these dorks imagine they should be imagining. [12:18]
mp_en_viaje: "Choice # fucking 2, shitcan my entertainment journey to get your seriously medically challenged mother back home, 4000 fucking miles away from all my success, close to our useless fucking families to help us raise you, so you manage to make it to your first fucking birthday, in a place where I didn’t have a single fucking contact and even if my father who acted like he owned that whole fucking town he’d lived in for 20 [12:21]
mp_en_viaje: fucking years had one, wouldn’t pick up the God damn phone to help me if his life fucking depended on it." [12:21]
mp_en_viaje: it's like reading the romanian retard club of 2011 exactly, holy shit already. how can the united states survive & exist only as a belated copy of really fucking stupid inconsequential idiotic romanian tards ?! [12:24]
mp_en_viaje: they're building the 1980s socialism for themselves 2020, they're "discovering" successful burgeoning careers in the style of rotards' last decade now... what the fuck already, how, just HOW can the whole fucking euro colony of north america be on par with the eastern outskirts of the habsburg empire, only later ?! [12:25]
mp_en_viaje: "And finally choice # 3 fuck her and fuck you, stay put, ship you both back home so I can keep doing my fucking thing and make something, anything other than what I’ve become, an old, angry, broke, business owner, still fucking chasing my dreams of entertaining people by speakin’ my fuckin’ mind." [12:28]
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the manner in which the insanity survives is that it comes with a built-in indirection layer aka "romanul poate face misto de orice". [12:28]
diana_coman: possibly decay all goes ~same way for all one knows, romanians of '80s were just a belated copy themselves and so on. [12:32]
mp_en_viaje: to be honest, the romanians of the 80s were a sad copy of german imperialism cca 1800s. got even a sorta-colony in congo, recall the paperwork wherein ceausescu whines bogota won't play its age of sail role ? [12:34]
mp_en_viaje: kept trying to do this, carol 2 was ~same also. [12:34]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile girl in tall hat came in, "i come bearing many shishkebaps and things", so ima brb. [12:35]
diana_coman: heh, enjoy! [12:37]
mp_en_viaje: "Eventually as with everything else, all good things, come to an end to include one of the best DJ joints I’ve ever had. At first, after a year of totally transforming their clientele as they had requested, they started cutting back my nights. When I started there, the place was overrun by niggers, not black people, niggers. You know the kind of fucking animals that shoot up the place or stab a motherfucker on a packed dan [13:54]
mp_en_viaje: cefloor totally surrounded by eye witnesses. Well as a professional DJ for many, many years I have often been hired specifically to drive out the niggers by multitudinous club / bar owners and each and every single time this request was made, I always asked whatever dumbass drug dealer / pimp on the side nightclub / bar owner, are you sure, because their money’s is just as green as everybody else’s and once you have a re [13:54]
mp_en_viaje: putation for being a nigger club, there’s no fucking way you’re turnin’ that shit around, unless you nuke the place with said niggers inside it and once I get the niggers out, which I will, who are you planning to replace them with, because if you think all of a sudden all the hot white girls of the world gonna start showin’ up in droves, you’re seriously out of your fucking minds. Their response, and I quote, “y [13:54]
mp_en_viaje: ou just get the niggers out, not tonight, not immediately, but slowly and we’ll worry about the hot white bitches when the time comes”. Ok, it’s your God damn funeral." << pretty lulzy but actually remarkably accurate it's a wonder he needed 50 pages to finally say something even remotely in touch with reality. [13:54]
mp_en_viaje: lotta tumblr-minded club owners out there, srsly imagine there's this vast untapped potential of girls like their mother thought girls should be, floating around somewhere in the aethers. [13:54]
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940757 << rerun of 2d ago. dozen shitfloods which took out whole pipe for ~10 of ~20min ea., followed by 'ohai you'd surely like to be unplugged wouldntcha' [15:36]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:48:11 mp_en_viaje: hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ? [15:36]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq [15:36]
asciilifeform: observe that BingoBoingo's bouncer is still cycling. [15:38]
BingoBoingo: No new information from them since since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940740 [15:40]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 01:53:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq [15:40]
asciilifeform: btw my suspect list re ddos includes latech itself. possibly ploy to upsell on pipe. [15:41]
asciilifeform: i still dunget why the 4 target addrs and not 5 or 1, each flood seems to take out whole pipe anyway [15:43]
asciilifeform: even if BingoBoingo succeeds in negotiating 'no moar plug pulling, wtf already' this is not tenable. [15:44]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dulap has been unreachable 100% of time since exactly then . [15:45]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq [15:45]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Did you manage to assign it .239 as an alternate address? [15:46]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. but this is not a solution, given that whole pipe shuts down ea. time [15:47]
asciilifeform: it's only a solution to a problem we ought not be having at all, in re the latech retardation. [15:47]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can you write out, on the blog or somewhere else in one olace, [15:58]
asciilifeform: re ddos ( supposing to take latech's word for the assertion that it ~is~ a ddos , rather than pipe provider playing dulap-I-style games ) -- fact of the matter, it dun cost very much to saturate a 200Mb/s pipe. [15:58]
BingoBoingo: the proposed sane solution [15:58]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly mp_en_viaje already wrote an article re sane solution ( gossipd. ) [15:59]
asciilifeform: i dun know of others. [15:59]
asciilifeform: he had also this idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz. [16:01]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 08:10:45 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE). [16:01]
BingoBoingo: And I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, between Gossipd and Latecho's proposed BGP block, this time limited to the target addresses. [16:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we have 2 separate problems. ddos and latech. [16:03]
asciilifeform: for ~4hrs last night, had just the former. but it was enuff to make the pipe ~unusable. [16:03]
BingoBoingo: We appear indeed to have two problems [16:04]
asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc [16:05]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp) [16:07]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's being attacked is the very idea of tmsr isp, rather than a particular box. [16:08]
BingoBoingo: As it stands, despite having vacant ips for folks to move to... the refusalt to try a targeted BGPD mitigation appears to have denied us the oppotunity to have any nines of uptime in September. [16:08]
asciilifeform: bgpd? [16:09]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The blackhole the target ips thing [16:09]
BingoBoingo: For all I know the DDoS is done by the Cloudflare sales department [16:10]
asciilifeform: dun particularly matter, atm, by who. [16:10]
asciilifeform: could even be by a current or potential subscriber, to test whether we even have shit together before agreeing to colo a box. [16:11]
asciilifeform: if it's an exam, we aint passing [16:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you imagine that folx will subscribe to a 'you might have to flip your ip erry 4hrs' isp ? [16:12]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: make it clear when you talk to latech, that if we cannot get a civilized solution and a guarantee out of'em, we're through. and will have to start evacuation of boxen. (not that there's anywhere to put'em, or likely to be any time soon.) [16:17]
asciilifeform: a 'civilized solution', to be absolutely pedantic , includes both 1+2. i.e. nomoar blackholing, AND pipe that is reasonably weather-resistant. [16:18]
asciilifeform: without 1+2 we aint got an isp. [16:18]
* asciilifeform brb,tea [16:19]
BingoBoingo: In the interim, before the sit down... http://archive.is/qoXuE http://archive.is/ekeej The online BGP tools appear to be showing no no blackholes of our space [16:33]
* asciilifeform back [16:55]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: elementarily suggests that it wasn't done via bgp. [16:55]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well it suggests we are presently unreachable for reasons of DDoS rather than BGP blackholing as before [16:56]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mno. during ddos, whole pipe was dead. whereas atm e.g. uy1 loads, ditto ossasepia, but not dulap or qntra [16:57]
asciilifeform: before this escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3. [16:57]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 11:57:00 mp_en_viaje: https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? [16:57]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: mno. during ddos, whole pipe was dead. whereas atm e.g. uy1 loads, ditto ossasepia, but not dulap or qntra << Ah, here I was trying to load qntra [16:59]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint.. [17:01]
asciilifeform: 'if wishes were horses'(tm) [17:01]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho, BingoBoingo oughta carefully discuss w/ mp , ~before~ (and not as last time, after) talk w/ latech. [17:08]
asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ? [17:09]
asciilifeform: *bicorn [17:09]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, as of right now, what does a Pizarro airlift look like? [17:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fedex ? [17:12]
asciilifeform: + BingoBoingo's parachute, if he decides . [17:12]
BingoBoingo: To where? [17:12]
asciilifeform: to where each subscriber says, how else [17:12]
asciilifeform: a set of broom closets in their houses, i expect. [17:13]
BingoBoingo: Aite, what does pizarro airlift look like if we find an IXP [17:14]
asciilifeform: this , i won't speculate about, will leave it to who has the capital to finance such an experiment. [17:14]
* asciilifeform asciilifeform does not expect that anyone will want to ask for his advice re how to do a 2nd isp, if we cede this stalingrad. [17:15]
asciilifeform: see also. [17:18]
ericbot: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:41:26 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral. [17:18]
* BingoBoingo suspects naively that airlifting to an IXP will push us towards Austria/Turkey/Poland/Belarus/etc on the other side of the Atlantic. On this side of the Atlantic mebbe Fortaleza, Brasil/Venezuela/Mexico/Panama but I suspect Panama is an awful choice [17:20]
BingoBoingo: For political reasons [17:20]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not even convinced that there ~is~ a 'sane choice of location' . [17:21]
asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested in 'civilized' -- physically. [17:22]
asciilifeform: conceivably, in the 'borderlands' -- both. [17:23]
BingoBoingo: Another, uglier option, is we either keep latecho for the cage and power or move to an Antel datacenter, explicitly become an Antel reseller where each box gets its own incoming line. I fail from this chair to see substantial increase in leverage from this route. [17:30]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what means 'own incoming line' here ? [17:31]
asciilifeform: it does appear that we're currently 2, rather than 1 , steps down from the orcistani national pipe. [17:32]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: may be worth to find out, if it can be done quickly, what would cost to hang directly from antel. [17:33]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It would mean Antel provides the RJ45 for each box, each RJ45 billed seperately. This would increase the complexity of administration and billing, but I don't know materially different it could be from the current situation in practice. [17:33]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: were you able to determine whether the blackholing is perpetrated by latech or antel ? [17:33]
asciilifeform: ( antel, by request of latech, for our purposes counts as 'by latech' ) [17:34]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems the blackholing happens at the Antel level by request of Latecho [17:35]
asciilifeform: then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket. [17:35]
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' ) [17:35]
asciilifeform: cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town [17:36]
asciilifeform: if were 'expensive' ddos , so as to saturate whole fucking oceanic pipe, would not have , elementarily. [17:36]
asciilifeform: currently it seems to asciilifeform that we did a shoddy job in setting up the orig arrangement. and lived with it as long as did because 'appeared to work', just like we lived with phf's logger [17:38]
asciilifeform: ( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. ) [17:39]
asciilifeform: ( readers may recall that asciilifeform did not put BingoBoingo in montevideo, or the rack on latech ) [17:40]
asciilifeform: all shoddy jobs, are paid for eventually. with interest. [17:42]
BingoBoingo: It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had. [17:43]
asciilifeform: see, BingoBoingo , if we had pipe from antel, perhaps could buy additional capacity on temporary basis as ddosism ebbs and flows. like adults. [17:43]
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could. [17:46]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot. [17:46]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. [17:46]
asciilifeform: see also stalin's 'order # 227', 28 june 1942. [17:46]
* mp_en_viaje waves [17:48]
* asciilifeform waves back [17:48]
mp_en_viaje: hows the headache alfie [17:48]
BingoBoingo: Well, from the progre horde's perspective things may look more like Mao's "Problems in China are big, but they become very small when you divide by the chinese people] [17:48]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: throbbing, genuine physical headache [17:49]
mp_en_viaje: sux. [17:49]
mp_en_viaje: nsa still down huh. ouch. [17:49]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'all's fair in war', i enlisted for this headache, no one forced. [17:50]
* BingoBoingo has an asshole so sore in the metaphorical sense that he's contemplating a donut pillow [17:50]
mp_en_viaje: it's funny how this shit works, we had single logger for years, then when there's finally redundancy, bang. [17:50]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: diana_coman's & lobbes's work a+++ [17:50]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dunthink enemy gives rat's arse re loggers. objective was to take out piz. [17:52]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940824 << the part where the bs started the day after "hey, what's with your shit bw" inquiries certainly points a hand/. [17:52]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 12:41:52 asciilifeform: btw my suspect list re ddos includes latech itself. possibly ploy to upsell on pipe. [17:52]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ikr ? [17:52]
asciilifeform: i dun come up with these from thin air.. [17:52]
mp_en_viaje: yes. [17:52]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940834 << in practice, there's the following practical solutions : 1. you folk move on to an ipx. this requires exactly the skillset you don't have, wherein you don't sit on ass 2y talking to an "oscar" who couldn't give shit about you (after however long failing to produce any modicum of insertion that led to the original blowup / massive investor haircut pizarro came out of [17:54]
mp_en_viaje: ), but instead you use 2week term to produce oscar that'd rather cut own throat than inconvenience you. [17:54]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 12:59:23 BingoBoingo: the proposed sane solution [17:54]
mp_en_viaje: 2. you folk move on to simply hiring space from 500+ random internet isps, and snowshoe your load around. this requires a lot more technical acumen than i've seen so far, seeing how you've not as much as managed to implement in practice bash scripts given on trilema for mass-interneting, the level of avg 12yo script kiddie. [17:55]
mp_en_viaje: there'd be also a theoretical 3, where you move to different dc because this one specifically wasn't good but considering you didn't discover on own feet the not-goodness, but had to wait for events, thisis purely a theoretical alternative. [17:56]
asciilifeform: dafuq would be the point of (2) ? that aint a locking cage, colo'd FG, etc. who the fuck needs intermediary for this, anyone can get rando heathen isp right nao. [17:57]
mp_en_viaje: over all these possibilities, your entrenched, utter inability to actually produce business sits as a complete smog cover. i had been harping about how you have a limited time to life and either you use it to live or die for years because o fexactly this reason : now when the push comes to shove, who exactly is the lifeblood we're talking about ? [17:57]
mp_en_viaje: if pizarro is here rather than not, what's lost ? [17:57]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, supposedly because you have good automated fallbacks people can't be bothered to write themselves. sorta early handcranked UCI. [17:57]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how does an automated fallback work w/ physical welded machine ? it sprouts wings and flies itself between dc's ? [17:58]
mp_en_viaje: no, you keep 100 servers in 50 locations and whenever one dies you just reroute. [17:58]
mp_en_viaje: needs mchanized acquisition / dealing with "oscars" etc. [17:59]
asciilifeform: i.e. build clone of 'amazon' using loose change budget ? [17:59]
mp_en_viaje: i dun recall what pizarro budget was, but six digits iirc ? [17:59]
mp_en_viaje: is it pretty much cash-broke by now ? [18:00]
BingoBoingo: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/09/18/pizarro-isp-august-2019-report/ << Not broke [18:00]
mp_en_viaje: 45k, buys 1k months of commodity vps. [18:01]
* asciilifeform doesn't want 'commodity vps' even for free [18:01]
mp_en_viaje: hey, as long as we're doing wants i have a list right here. shall i go through it ? [18:01]
* BingoBoingo suspects we need a species of cosmonaut better than BingoBoingo to have a working Pizarro. [18:02]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, it beggars belief that after two years on the ground, your relationship to the derpy orc dc consists of form letters and usual arby's runaround. [18:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and a different asciilifeform , who has infinite money and can locate on side, and not be constrained in iron buildout by flow of usd from day jobs, etc [18:03]
asciilifeform: *on site [18:03]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't believe the iron buildout was actually an asset for pizarro, business wise. [18:03]
mp_en_viaje: in practice, it mostly worked as a convenient excuse for entrenched sales failure. [18:03]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there wasn't what to sell ! [18:03]
asciilifeform: what to sell if iron is packed ? [18:03]
mp_en_viaje: yes, but looky : for this to be a business rather than a dream, it has to be construed, and managed, as a business. [18:04]
mp_en_viaje: on the green side, you have 0 business you can point out to as acquired because specific iron configuration, in preference of random "vps" on the red side, you have plenty of loss you can point to as lot because same iron arrangement. [18:05]
mp_en_viaje: this makes it a liability for the business. [18:05]
asciilifeform: the rk people are specifically there because they do not want 'rando vps'. [18:05]
mp_en_viaje: who ? [18:05]
asciilifeform: diana_coman , for instance. [18:05]
mp_en_viaje: all republicans are here because republic, let's not get silly. [18:06]
asciilifeform: likewise , mp_en_viaje's smg specifically landed there because wanted FG colo'd (in fact before asciilifeform had anyffin to do with the proj) [18:06]
mp_en_viaje: that part is true, fg ver ymuch is asset. [18:06]
asciilifeform: and yes, republicans are there because republic. if republic wants isp, will have to devise how, out of what. [18:07]
mp_en_viaje: never managed to be much sold, but yes, it generated perhaps as much as 40% of the business [18:07]
* mp_en_viaje is not exact on numbers, having followed this only on the "when brought to trilema" level of detail. [18:07]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: shall i post'em ? i dun think was ever fully laid in public [18:08]
asciilifeform: ( re FG ) [18:08]
mp_en_viaje: sure, why not. [18:08]
mp_en_viaje: at the very least both smg servers need it, which is what, 2 out of 5 colo'd machines, with the rk making up another 1/3 of pizarro business ? [18:09]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we made 2 parties of 100 , net 200 . 1st party sold immediately to dpb. 2nd sold to a variety of people, leaving the 36 that went to piz and a half dozen emergency spares kept in asciilifeform's desk. [18:10]
mp_en_viaje: ah, from that side. what's the relevancy here ? [18:10]
asciilifeform: ~none. but mp_en_viaje asked. [18:10]
mp_en_viaje: i asked from the pov of pizarro what % of its business is related to fg deployment. i guessed a bout 40%, could be wrong, maybe it's only 20%, w/e. [18:10]
mp_en_viaje: seems fg was asset. exotic iron was never asset, arguably promised to be, but never made it. [18:11]
asciilifeform: i think moar than 40 [18:11]
asciilifeform: there's several people on rk who have FG. [18:11]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the more 'exotic' iron is the fact that all of the iron lives in a cabinet operated by BingoBoingo , and not touched by unknown apes. [18:11]
mp_en_viaje: and to continue that list : the "not nato" line in the original spec defo not asset. we ate the cost of orcistan, but gained (through whoever's fault, leaving this aside) no upside from orcistan. we have no priviledged connection past what somone off the street yesterday would have, but we do have massive headache with eg supplies. [18:12]
BingoBoingo: 3/6 Rockchips have FG [18:12]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know you don't liek to read castles, but this thread b/w asciilifeform and diana_coman's heathen isp man is pertinent. [18:12]
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-27 maxim_mivo: We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.) [18:12]
mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways. [18:12]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aite, ima read. [18:13]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, one possible continuation is to install resident in say budapest, have him colo boxes in each dc from portugal to moldavia, implement an upgraded version of point 2 above. [18:13]
asciilifeform: and when a disk needs swap ? he flies ? [18:14]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004197 << i am with you here, there doesn't seem to be a problem ? [18:15]
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-27 asciilifeform: maxim_mivo: very good. i will open an account . my pgp public key is in http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc . [18:15]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, he flies. airfare in yurp is in the 50euro range. [18:15]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: oddly enuff, this scheme is ~exactly asciilifeform's orig. alternative when objected in '17 to mp_en_viaje's 'we need whole isp, with whole cage' [18:15]
mp_en_viaje: link for muh own memories ? [18:16]
* asciilifeform digging [18:16]
* mp_en_viaje is not particularly proud of scheme described, hence "one possible continuation". we evidently didn't get what we want, or anything even remotely like it. [18:16]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this. and ftr i still think it would have been mistake. just a different mistake. [18:17]
ericbot: Logged on 2017-10-06 12:07:30 asciilifeform: re colocation, i have 1 positive answer from india 0 from ru ( apparently ru folx are decent XOR likedoingbusinesswithforeign ? ) [18:17]
mp_en_viaje: it'd have been much better if resident in small orcistan ended up with strong local presence to the point of running in local elections etc. [18:17]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, did i miss something in there ? seems to me that "this alternative is unrelated to a proposal by asciilifeform back in 2017 when he couldn't get anyone to usefully answer from ru or india" would be a much closer summary. [18:19]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current take, is that any adventure in republican isp, regardless where located , is a walk between scylla and charybdis . [18:19]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 17:22:43 asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested in 'civilized' -- physically. [18:19]
mp_en_viaje: nope. the only possible take is that ineptitude doesn't fix itself, either you fix it or it stays. [18:19]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there, also , and where mp: 'we'll have 25 locations, 25 racks' etc [18:20]
ericbot: Logged on 2017-10-06 12:16:07 asciilifeform: eggs/basket [18:20]
mp_en_viaje: i don't get wtf you're saying here. [18:21]
asciilifeform: which here [18:21]
mp_en_viaje: you said something that doesn't read but nevertheless implies "oh, this multi-dc thing is what i proposed and you rejected in 2017". then upon review it comes out i never rejected. then you link somewhere else where we discuss how, if pizarro ever manages to get any business, it can grow. [18:22]
mp_en_viaje: none of this is contentions, or that relevant. yes, if pizarro had 5k customers paying it 50k/mo it could've conceivably had the 25 boxes in 25 dcs. [18:22]
mp_en_viaje: it evidently did no such thing. IT did no such thing. this has no bearing on "how boxes are diddled" etcetera. [18:23]
asciilifeform: right but elementarily did not have the capital or the manpower to start with other than 1 rack and handful of irons. [18:23]
mp_en_viaje: pizarro failed to sell, and failed to get localized in the one location it decided to care about. [18:23]
mp_en_viaje: TO START. [18:23]
mp_en_viaje: that was years ago. [18:23]
mp_en_viaje: it didn't get past the starting, by specifically avoiding any sort of sales. in three instantiations. [18:23]
asciilifeform: it takes a year to get handful of boxes built and carried in. because in uy. (where, again will remind, asciilifeform had no part in putting it) [18:24]
mp_en_viaje: imagine, you've been at this for years, some rando moldavian looks pretty good by offering what you were supposed to offer, on your own turf. is this only ridoinculous to my eye /! [18:24]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, are you implying that you were forbidden from deciding to take it out or what is it ? [18:25]
asciilifeform: he's peddling stock 'dells' with mandatory ipmi. [18:25]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, i know. [18:25]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i haven't the capital to take it out, or a where-to. [18:25]
mp_en_viaje: ... [18:25]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall how asciilifeform ended up with the job to start with ? [18:25]
mp_en_viaje: a brief history of pizarro would be, that after a lot of me haranguing over how the republic will cease without isp, BingoBoingo volunteered to go somewhere. the whole affair was very open handed, with him given a budget and a task. he picked uy, went there, failed to do a number of specific things, which resulted in me pulling the plug and selling the thing off 10cents to the dollar or somesuch. [18:26]
asciilifeform: correct [18:27]
asciilifeform: mod6 (at first as an act of tbf, but then bought back personally) + asciilifeform , bought, 50/50 [18:27]
mp_en_viaje: mod6 + benvulpes bought it iirc, and they did ~same for a while, then eventually you reorganized it as a venture that's specifically not to include my say lest i wreck it, which incidentally i've respected to date, notwithstandin gall sorts of incidental ineptitudes baked in all through. [18:27]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was 50/50 tbf / asciilifeform . [18:28]
mp_en_viaje: aha. [18:28]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nao, fast-fwd, mp_en_viaje in effect owns piz (there's ~no piz if mp_en_viaje & co not subscribed, working pipe or not ) . [18:28]
mp_en_viaje: anyways, there were then protracted derpings with the transfer, took like 6 months for you folk to (maybe ?) disentangle screamingly idiotic business practices including large encrypted scratch files etc. [18:28]
mp_en_viaje: then took about a year for you folk to unconvincingly maneuver in the general direction of maybe any day now imminently starting a sales process [18:29]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3 [18:29]
mp_en_viaje: and then the pipe went sour. [18:29]
asciilifeform: again what sales process, when naught to sell. [18:29]
asciilifeform: can't sell boxen that aint there. [18:29]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't know why you keep saying that. sales is neither an optional nor a coinditional part of business. [18:29]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have any experience selling phantoms [18:29]
mp_en_viaje: sales is ~the whole thing. [18:30]
asciilifeform: and having ~what~ to sell [18:30]
mp_en_viaje: either you sell or else, sooner or later, you discover your infrastructure rotted. [18:30]
asciilifeform: there were ( BingoBoingo may have exact # ) several people queued for rk. [18:30]
asciilifeform: which was being built ( on asciilifeform's desk , needs still the ssds ) but now nowhere for it to live. [18:30]
mp_en_viaje: my (admittedly distant) metric is "count of canditates to lordship who made contact through pizarro contract" [18:31]
mp_en_viaje: for as long as that's 0, meh. no working sales funnel over at pizarro. [18:31]
asciilifeform: the rk was the 1 product where demand outstripped supply consistently. [18:31]
mp_en_viaje: exact same for a putative bitcoin foundation, together with a "count of donated bitcoins from the wider community" [18:32]
mp_en_viaje: and so following. [18:32]
asciilifeform: ( hence why asciilifeform set to work to build a 15 unit 2nd rk plant ) [18:32]
mp_en_viaje: doesn't seem we're making contact here. [18:32]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: thimbronion is in line for a rockchip. First contact was as gernika where he killed his GPG key by signing "I agree" [18:32]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell. [18:32]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-03-31#1443159 ? [18:33]
ossabot: Logged on 2016-03-31 18:48:02 gernika: asciilifeform: fyi I made a trip to eetools HQ today and came back home with a curiosity: EmMax plus rom emulator - connects to LPT port - comes with console app. It does *not* however appear to support dos - win95 is as far back as it goes it seems. [18:33]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he's the renamed d00d. iirc was originally this, aha [18:33]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sure, but that's unrelated. "i had not what to sell" is not acceptable answer to "why not sold ?" much like "maybe it just dissapeared" is not acceptable ansser to "what happened to content of safe", as per prior discussion re tech and magic. [18:33]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, as there was no pizarro in 2016, i dun think this has any bearing ? or wha tare we talking about ? [18:34]
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform wanted to know the folks in line for Rockchip [18:34]
mp_en_viaje: a [18:34]
* asciilifeform currently forming impression that mp_en_viaje dun even wants to wait for latech call, or e.g. these , and that time to evacuate ? [18:36]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 17:35:49 asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' ) [18:36]
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940981 - fwiw I think this is true 100%. [18:36]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:13:21 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways. [18:36]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i already said that fuck [18:37]
mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=i+don%27t+intend&chan=trilema [18:37]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i already said that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940475 this hasn't changed notwithstanding it seems the one day is turning into a long weekend. [18:38]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 22:01:52 mp_en_viaje: personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance [18:38]
asciilifeform: a [18:38]
mp_en_viaje: im trying to provide you folk with what i expect you want (or else nfi why you're discussing it here), ie an experienced sounding board for your business [18:38]
asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma take whatever advice mp_en_viaje offers , re how to work these. [18:39]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, is pizarro smg server farm even accessible atm ? [18:39]
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it is, yes. [18:40]
mp_en_viaje: a cool then. [18:40]
* asciilifeform goes to lie down for a spell, is feeling ill, brb. [18:40]
mp_en_viaje: poor alf / [18:41]
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP [18:42]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, did you ever get a packet dump btw ? [18:42]
BingoBoingo: I did not [18:42]
mp_en_viaje: in fairness, it's entirely possible they don't even know what it is / how to make one. [18:43]
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941060 - > http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=%22I+don%27t+intend%22&chan=trilema apparently ' is trouble [18:44]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:38:00 mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=i+don%27t+intend&chan=trilema [18:44]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch [18:44]
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, my deployed code is pressed up to active_disconnect I'll check the following 2 [18:46]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940843 << it's very difficult to evaluate key metrics because of the extrmely poor quality of available data. a certain amt of "ddos" is ~extremely~ common, and in no way or manner related to anything or to any degree intentional. i periodically published on trilema lists of what'd qualify as "ddos" by 1999 standards say. let me fish some out, why not. [18:48]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:05:51 asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc [18:48]
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ forinstance. 6x ~100kB/s = 4.8Mbps. "ddos". [18:49]
mp_en_viaje: trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ ~same, 3mbps or so [18:50]
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/i-dont-get-it/ 21217 / 12 / 3600 = .5/s sustained over half a day, with a normal distribution reasonably peaked at 8 or so /s, ie another 6-7Mbps item. [18:51]
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/#comment-127686 item resulted in... umm... 2tB/day = 2×8×1024^2÷86400 = 194Mbps SUSTAINED AVERAGE for that day. [18:55]
BingoBoingo: Oscar sent this graph last night http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/recentgraph.png I suppose I can ask again for a packet dump or some sort of information on the origin of the traffic. [18:59]
mp_en_viaje: and so following, i could keep quoting these, from http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ to whatever, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/?b=the%20live&e=log#select shows, specifically, 202136 hits between 05:56:35 and 06:01:56, that's then 1k connections/second or thereabouts... [18:59]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, do you see the difference between my cascade of links and that ? [19:00]
BingoBoingo: I do [19:00]
mp_en_viaje: but the overarching point : a certain amount of toy "ddos" is ~GUARANTEED~. carries no meaning, attaches to no identity, has nothing to do with you in any way. it's like "a certain level of hardship is guaranteed outdoors", unfucking avoidable. [19:02]
mp_en_viaje: the 7007245 hits for 24 days of june (2016!) ~averages~ to almost 300k a day, meaning it peaks above that, meaning etcetera. ima stop quoting these, but the idea is : i can't even currently guess whether your contact deems 1 connection/second a ddos. maybe it does, nfi, no way to tell from those derpy graphs. is it 10 ? 100 ? dude has no fucking idea either [19:11]
mp_en_viaje: by all appearances, a waiter could do just as well in his job. [19:11]
mp_en_viaje: so i can't really say anything intelligent on THAT score. [19:11]
mp_en_viaje: "here's the 5k packets you received during 10 minutes, LISTED. we can't handle over 10/s, sorry" is one thing. "here's some colors" is... another thing. [19:13]
BingoBoingo: "Can I get a packet dump from at least one of the floods before sitting down and discussing options for moving forward. The graphs seem to show when activity is happening, but they lack information that could be used to put together a mitigation strategy. Is the incoming traffic UDP, TCP, ICMP, etc? Is there any information that suggests an origin or origins. Hay una falta de información forense que pueda ayudar a evaluar lo que est? [19:23]
BingoBoingo: ? sucediendo." << Is this the sort of response I should send before scheduling a sit down? [19:23]
mp_en_viaje: nor is the situation looking any better from the converse end. was eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932422 ever followed up on ? can you folk answer whether you're 1% or 99% saturated during normal course of business ? maybe you just hit the upper bounds on bw and this is how it looks ? [19:23]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 14:20:19 asciilifeform: piz has a 200Mb pipe, and on some days it is quite crowded. [19:23]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please" [19:25]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935050 << for historical sentiment. [19:27]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 11:31:29 asciilifeform: i vaguely suspected btw that all the major bugs in bot would be found in disconnect handling. piz pipe is so stable that not seen naturally-occurring disconnect yet... [19:27]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the naive impression was that the (~deliberate~) upside of "kolhoz-style" is passive "ddos" mitigation, whereby pizz pipe absorbs individual hits in this manner. was this intended function ? was it ever measured/monitored ? did it critically fail, what happened ? [19:29]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 12:47:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. ) [19:29]
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, Imma send your text over [19:29]
mp_en_viaje: there's extremely little anything to go on, and it's not ALL the fault of some dude named oscar [19:29]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, don't have to do it right now, let your boss wake up, why not. [19:29]
BingoBoingo: Aite [19:29]
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941071 << loox like. [19:32]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 18:42:28 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP [19:32]
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 - I don't see it in either of the last 2 vpatches fwiw I looked in the reader's code too: the tokenizer treats the ' as start of a quote and then fails for not having the end ' it expects [19:33]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:44:59 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch [19:33]
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 << looks like this bug i ~introduced~ in 'sept_fixes', not fixed [19:33]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 18:44:29 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch [19:33]
mp_en_viaje: oh. [19:34]
asciilifeform: will have to revert it by removing the double-quote support and making from scratch, asciilifeform tried, like complete chump, to use a built-in py knob for it [19:34]
asciilifeform: the 'shlex' thing. [19:35]
diana_coman: I wanted to say that I read a bit around the shlex python thing too but I never used it before so still unsure re direct fix [19:35]
asciilifeform: turns out it's 100% broken [19:35]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it has to come back out. [19:35]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it was on asciilifeform's chalkboard, but in the cacophony of disconnectism etc neglected it . [19:35]
asciilifeform: if diana_coman or lobbes get to this 1st, i will later sign & mirror the patch . [19:36]
asciilifeform: atm asciilifeform is without capability of deploying or even properly testing logotron patches. [19:36]
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941098 << yes !! [19:37]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 19:25:34 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please" [19:37]
* asciilifeform was in the midst of setting up a (dulap-side, hence would say nuffin re ~total mass~, but at least sumthing re ~type~) probe , but did not live long enuff to finish. [19:37]
mp_en_viaje: and in general, you knwo, move to reduce unknowns.\ [19:37]
asciilifeform: ( when dulap last was up, meant ) [19:38]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite sent. [19:40]
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . re the rest , mp_en_viaje has it 100% , atm we dun even know wtf this was [19:40]
BingoBoingo: Yesterday's liberating sense of uncertainty solidly replaced today by dreadful sense of uncertainty. [19:41]
diana_coman: meanwhile production Eulora server unreachable fwiw the testing server is still reachable. [19:41]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz equip diana_coman w/ wahtever spare ips available. [19:42]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble with production server is that people connect to known IP can't quite ask players to change IP [19:43]
asciilifeform: this is tru [19:43]
* asciilifeform goes to horizontal again, must bbl [19:44]
mp_en_viaje: yeah, it's not in principle possible to run a game server "with secret ip". moreover, all domain names always resolve to an ip as well, the whole "cloak" bs is ... well, you know. [19:46]
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If you find the proposition useful take .230 through .235 for the eulora server [19:50]
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly for production server I don't think it's useful to change the IP I suppose we are lucky in that it's now rather than after eulora release. [19:57]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940849 << this is, ultimately, about even odds. [19:58]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:10:55 BingoBoingo: For all I know the DDoS is done by the Cloudflare sales department [19:58]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, have we been down since fri basically ? [19:59]
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no it has been up it failed now when I reported it [19:59]
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, understand, pre-distributed clients connect to specified ip. there's no easy way to change the ip, as it lives in a config file on player side. [19:59]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, ah i see. [19:59]
mp_en_viaje: well... there's 0 chance anyone connected to irc from THERE, so... [20:00]
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: DDoS was a thing before Cloudflare, but I don't recall random i.e. without explicit demand DDoS being a thing until Cloudflare came around. [20:01]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940852 << but all life's exam. [20:01]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:12:24 asciilifeform: if it's an exam, we aint passing [20:01]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940853 << this is funny because you're the only one here who had, for years, hosted your blog thus. but yes, untenable in practice. [20:03]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:13:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you imagine that folx will subscribe to a 'you might have to flip your ip erry 4hrs' isp ? [20:03]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940863 << yeah, wtf can you do. [20:05]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:58:21 asciilifeform: before this escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3. [20:05]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 11:57:00 mp_en_viaje: https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? [20:05]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940879 << i honestly don't think specific derpitude in uruguay is the problem. sales is the problem, and has been, and i expect shall remain. [20:07]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:16:09 asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not expect that anyone will want to ask for his advice re how to do a 2nd isp, if we cede this stalingrad. [20:07]
diana_coman: now ossasepia.com seems to be down too is latech again just nullrouting everything or what? [20:11]
mp_en_viaje: ie, if you had a healthy customer base built in the intervening peacetime, this wouldn't even be much of a problem, per se. and if you don't build same, nothing else will be any kind of solution, no matter what it is, up to and including god's own hand coming down from heavens above holding a shimmering rjack finished in pure samite. [20:11]
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, listen, take the weekend off / do some writing / whatever you don't need the pizmess for. [20:14]
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing to be gained by you manning the f5 galley on top of everyone else. [20:14]
diana_coman: will do. [20:14]
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The DNS server IPs are now both down. Shared server is still up. [20:15]
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that makes younghands.club up at least good to hear, thanks. [20:16]
mp_en_viaje: no, keks. hey hanbot_abroad your blog is down wtf sorta operation are you running there !!eleventy11 [20:17]
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Not if you are using the qntra name servers instead of a host file to resolve [20:17]
diana_coman: fuck those guys were meant to publish their plans+ reviews today, ugh. [20:18]
mp_en_viaje: heh [20:18]
mp_en_viaje: pizarro not only failed to bring new blood, but effectually killed other people's efforts at same!!!! [20:19]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940895 << you know, this really should have been discovered and handled at any prior time than when it became a "if quickly" sorta matter. [20:21]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:35:55 asciilifeform: then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket. [20:21]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940903 << this is dubious. no actual data to go on but the generals : there's obviously ganged multi-gb megaswitches available, in actual places where actual transit happens. say frankfurt. i doubt obscure antel of nowhereland has ZERO 100mb lines, and thus in order to get 200mb you have to cut down a 1gb line. seems rather the 100mb is made by welding two 100mb lines togeth [20:24]
mp_en_viaje: er. [20:24]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:43:59 BingoBoingo: It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had. [20:24]
mp_en_viaje: similarily, the routes they (latechco) advertise are discrete at the c-block level, meaning pizarro's allocation is ONE WHOLE ITEM, not a fraction. [20:24]
mp_en_viaje: thus logically, you have "1 of this and 2 of that", not "1/256 of this and 1/5 of that". [20:24]
mp_en_viaje: so the notion that "latechco is protecting other derps" can't possibly hold any water : you're the only derps on the two 100mb lines and the one c-block route you pay for. [20:25]
mp_en_viaje: and if not... wehelllll. [20:25]
mp_en_viaje: you should in principle should [have been] able to see this, in the fucking dc, as it's visibly self-evident. [20:25]
mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud. [20:27]
mp_en_viaje: claim 2x what you paid during the entire history, let the judge sort it out. [20:27]
mp_en_viaje: or w/e, their legal dept settle it out. [20:27]
mp_en_viaje: take out advertising in local paper as to how they defraud businesses, which is perfectly legal if plain statement of claims in ongoing legal proceeding, and there you go. [20:28]
mp_en_viaje: if not -- not. but YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS. cuz you're the ones fucking living there, whose business this is, and etcetera. wth already. [20:29]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940905 << sure. but it all necessarily starts with at the very least knowing what the fuck world you live on, which planet, what year it is. something! [20:31]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:46:49 asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could. [20:31]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot. [20:31]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. [20:31]
* BingoBoingo to walk, visit servers, contemplate failure to grow in the necessary line, search out food, and return to figure out wth else can be done today before going to bed sober again. [20:31]
mp_en_viaje: enjoy. [20:32]
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/todays-ddos.svg << here, for BingoBoingo 's convenience, is today's trilema "ddos" histogram. [21:10]
mp_en_viaje: this is a very slow day as far as these go notwithstanding i just publisjhed a massive, 300 pic, 30mb article yesterday. "ddos" has ~no connection in observed practice to any such practical details, it'll happen whenever some moron / machine gets an erection, not when "you did this or that". [21:11]
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, i think it well evinces the "normal traffic" vs "wanna-be retard" disctintion. now what if i were to take ever single graph-obvious ding as a ddos ?! i mean, count them, there's dozens just today -- again, a ~very slow~ day as these go [21:14]
mp_en_viaje: notice in particular the peaks specifically taylored to 12.5 MBps (aka 100 Mbps, ie what the smallest line is) [21:18]
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/albertina-hurr/ << a++ photos btw. If I weren't so poor I'd suspect I'd move to Vienna today. [21:38]
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940758 << nice to hear! I finally got the timestamp delimiters working near the end of the log for 2019-10-06 [21:38]
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:51:35 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right [21:38]
lobbes: (No selection working on above test blog, so can't link to portion specifically. Though folx can laugh at my solipsistic rantings as they scroll toward the 03:00 mark I suppose) [21:38]
lobbes: since my [blog.lobbesblog.com][main blog] is stuck in the latech mire atm, I will give my unofficial 'mp-wp-bot week 5 workplan' in the logs: I have virtually all of week 4's work complete, save for the piping in of needed values from the mp-wp-config bits, which I may be able to complete tonight. [21:39]
lobbes: Week 5 will consist of tying off any loose ends, and continued testing. I also will need to start 'pre-grinding' the code I currently have to 'fork' from the direct_disconnect.kv.vpatch [21:39]
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, it's ~moderately expensive, but nothing like say san francisco. [21:39]
lobbes: that is nice to know, actually [21:39]
mp_en_viaje: eg, going into that museum was 50 euro for 3 [21:39]
mp_en_viaje: cabs are like 2.something euro/km, but EXTREMELY efficient and pleasant, only place in my current travels where cab service was actually on par with cluj in the 90s. [21:40]
mp_en_viaje: 3 day subway pass like 25 euro or so. but the subway here kicks ass, possibly best subsystem anywhere in white folk world. for one thing : NEVER CLOSES. all day, every day, same schedule, many lines, very well distributed, many trains, well signalled, fucking pleasure. [21:41]
mp_en_viaje: no bums, no garbage, no busking, no great crowding, no complaints even if i went looking for some. [21:41]
lobbes: it certainly looks clean from the photos. And no bums just sells it more for me [21:43]
mp_en_viaje: if you have other metrics you use to rank expensiveness lemme know, can prolly fill in. [21:43]
mp_en_viaje: zek flat in zek zone ~1-1.5k eur/sqm, usually in the 100ish sqm range. [21:43]
lobbes: problem with der osterreich last time I looked into it, though, was that they required something like 8 years of living to get permanent residence or somesuch. But this was some time ago when I looked into it [21:44]
mp_en_viaje: why do you care ? [21:44]
lobbes: guess I can't think of a reason why I would, tbh. Really all I need is an income with what to feed myself. [21:45]
mp_en_viaje: you're not thinking this right. bratislava is across the water, 30km or so. [21:46]
mp_en_viaje: 3 mo there, 3 mo here, wth, you need paperwork like you need fake tits. [21:46]
lobbes: this is a point, huh [21:48]
mp_en_viaje: throw in a belgrade or w/e i fit gets boring. [21:48]
mp_en_viaje: guaranteed the local cunt beats ~anything you can find in the us, even if you compare escorts only. [21:48]
mp_en_viaje: but in any case the obesity trend not yet caught on here. [21:49]
lobbes: I am getting quite tired of the ameri-cunt in general [21:50]
mp_en_viaje: well, if you live in what was it, west carolina ? north virginia ? [21:50]
lobbes: exactly... [21:51]
mp_en_viaje: vienna is more like you know, frisco. [21:51]
mp_en_viaje: except way better and definitely cheaper. and with an actual history and actually functional and etc. [21:51]
mp_en_viaje: http://archive.is/HG1yh#selection-23089.0-23103.1 in other lulz. [22:30]
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