Forum logs for 06 Jun 2017
| trinque: | http://archive.is/ol9m4 << "The dollar index touched a seven-month low ahead of testimony before Congress from former FBI director James Comey on Thursday." | [00:42] |
| trinque: | the free association is all through the beast. | [00:42] |
| trinque: | "oh X because unrelated Y because I'm god's child" | [00:42] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market QatarFriends | [02:05] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all' | [02:05] |
| asciilifeform: | in other usg comedy, https://archive.is/HtCuo | [09:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( see also http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-04-may-2014#1246502 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-09#1157994 , etc ) | [09:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-05-04 02:21 asciilifeform: kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.' | [09:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-06-09 13:56 asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com | [09:48] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59186CCE1269482CF2753DC896896A35FD3E4C99860D4DEE33C620DE883A552F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1735...9559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.181.133.125 (ssh-rsa key from 212.181.133.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown SE N) | [09:48] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59186CCE1269482CF2753DC896896A35FD3E4C99860D4DEE33C620DE883A552F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1435...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.181.133.125 (ssh-rsa key from 212.181.133.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown SE N) | [09:48] |
| mod6: | mornin' | [10:31] |
| shinohai: | o/ mod6 | [10:39] |
| mod6: | How's it goin? | [10:40] |
| shinohai: | Not too bad. Another boring, rainy day here. | [10:42] |
| mod6: | Ah. Been pretty warm and humid here. | [10:46] |
| mod6: | Here's where linen suits come in handy. | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | awww, but i thought nobody ever tampers with usg elections and the proposition "was discredited" and etc!!1 | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, imbeciles, really, they published originals ? because why, nobody owns a single fucking secretary anymore they're so god damned rich ? | [11:11] |
| trinque: | > Reality Winner | [11:15] |
| trinque: | these are names now. | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda how fuckgoats even got started, their we-are-idiots naming conventions. | [11:17] |
| trinque: | "the intercept" is meanwhile very much not a propaganda outlet / honeypot. | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | they pretend to be simply stupid. | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!" | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | and besides, they've successfulyl thrown the curve, ALL $item are equally shitty so whatcha gonna pick and choose hm ? | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | because why the fuck would inept contractor now in jail pick qntra ? NOBODY HEARD OF IT!!!1 and $assorted-excuses, all of which squarely come back to "hey, at least you wouldn't be in jail today". | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh no, but nobody could have predicted that" + "it's just a life, it's not MY life" + etc. | [11:26] |
| trinque: | !!up dm0n | [11:28] |
| deedbot: | dm0n voiced for 30 minutes. | [11:28] |
| trinque: | dm0n: hello, who goes there? | [11:28] |
| trinque: | !!down dm0n | [11:34] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666449 << linked more or less wholly for that detail. i gotta wonder, how many of these 'moon units' walking around nao | [11:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 15:15 trinque: > Reality Winner | [11:51] |
| lobbes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666247 << fwiw, I have a saved copy I will host/post later tonight for curious members of audience (unless someone beats me to it) | [12:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 00:32 asciilifeform: lol 404 | [12:14] |
| lobbes: | In other not-news, 401ks are still scams. Accepted offer to convert from $conractor=> $employee at current job. Had to wade through many $pdfs to see fine print: "new employees are -automatically- enrolled at 1%!!1" | [12:15] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666464 << assbot did archival back then https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt | [12:16] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:14 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666247 << fwiw, I have a saved copy I will host/post later tonight for curious members of audience (unless someone beats me to it) | [12:16] |
| lobbes: | Aha. Nifty | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes what's thjat mean, they match up to 1% of your income ? | [12:18] |
| lobbes: | I think they do match what goes into void, but the 1% refers to amount taken out of paychex | [12:19] |
| lobbes: | Of course, wild goose chase to opt out | [12:19] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/gentoo-crib-sheet.txt | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | i have X working with this ^ in use | [12:28] |
| mod6: | thx | [12:30] |
| danielpbarron: | also works with gcc 5 ban > http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true | [12:33] |
| mod6: | ok, that'll ensure that no gcc 5 is used then 'eh? | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | that's my understanding of how package mask works | [12:38] |
| trinque: | -icu -nls << why not also | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | with that rule in place, my emerge grabbed gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4) 4.9.4 | [12:39] |
| mod6: | cool. thanks for posting that. | [12:39] |
| mod6: | trinque: what do those flags do? | [12:39] |
| lobbes: | Oh nice. Ty danielpbarron | [12:40] |
| mod6: | oh unicode and native language support. | [12:40] |
| mod6: | got it. | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh nice work danielpbarron | [12:40] |
| trinque: | mod6: nls is a string lookup thinger for translation icu is yep, unicode thinger for iirc hieroglyph support | [12:40] |
| trinque: | ought to have also: -pulseaudio | [12:42] |
| trinque: | or somebody may pull that harry poetteringism in. | [12:42] |
| trinque: | alsa has dmix there's no reason to use pulseaudio for mixing | [12:42] |
| trinque: | -accessibility too why not. | [12:43] |
| danielpbarron: | where are you suggesting these use flags go? in make.conf? | [12:43] |
| trinque: | yes, globally | [12:43] |
| trinque: | also my recipe caps gnupg at a 1.x | [12:45] |
| mod6: | nice | [12:45] |
| danielpbarron: | that's in asciilifeform's /etc/portage/package.mask/crapolade | [12:46] |
| trinque: | cool | [12:46] |
| trinque: | no, that appears to ban greater than a particular 2.x | [12:47] |
| danielpbarron: | right, and next highest thing is gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.21 | [12:47] |
| trinque: | better to say >app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.21 then | [12:48] |
| trinque: | or whichever you want to park it on. | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666470 << traditionally there is a chumpatronic component, even in the immediate term : the thing has to 'vest' (if you don't work at $firm for X years, it matches 0 ) | [13:16] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:18 mircea_popescu: lobbes what's thjat mean, they match up to 1% of your income ? | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666476 << why >= 5.4.0 ? why not >= 5 | [13:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:33 danielpbarron: also works with gcc 5 ban > http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true | [13:18] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666480 << did anybody ever determine what the last 'clean' gcc were ? | [13:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:39 danielpbarron: with that rule in place, my emerge grabbed gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4) 4.9.4 | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 something prolly / | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666488 << my original ban set immunizes against it -- it can't live without dbus | [13:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:42 trinque: ought to have also: -pulseaudio | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends how strict you take the view that "optimizing out my checks === werner" | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: afaik 4.x never wernered | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ... but it isn't as if i ever audited 4.x. ...or 3.x, or 1.x..! | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | massive tub-o-liquishit | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | the cure, so far, that i've found, for 'it optimizes', is... gnat | [13:21] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666474 << the original recipe came from asciilifeform's x60 lappy : same one as featured in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601534 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601544 thread | [13:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:28 danielpbarron: i have X working with this ^ in use | [13:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 18:45 asciilifeform: phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt | [13:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 18:50 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | which box is still in service, and has not only working xorg, but suspend-to-ram ! | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | and battery monitoring, etc | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | a real thing of beauty (other than for the miserable lcd) | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666500 << i build 1.4.10 by hand, typically, it's a straight ./configure && make && make install | [13:24] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 16:48 trinque: better to say >app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.21 then | [13:24] |
| trinque: | doesn't mean something wont try to haul it in | [13:24] |
| trinque: | we're playing whackamole here aren't we | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: the way portage masks work, | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | is that when you build a thing that 'wants to haul it in' it barfs instead | [13:25] |
| trinque: | I'm aware of how they work. | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | and cries, 'hey won'tcha add the use flags back in pretty pleez' | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [13:25] |
| trinque: | in that case mask whole package without a version | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | just don't enable 'autounmask'. | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ( this is the one mistake that'll get the crud flooding back in ) | [13:26] |
| trinque: | sadly, the -a flag will also happily ask you if you want it to unmask, add use flags, etc | [13:26] |
| trinque: | gotta watch out for that also. | [13:26] |
| trinque: | -a apparently meaning --ask-to-fuck-in-ass | [13:27] |
| asciilifeform: | lol i never tried that one | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | but i believe. | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | 'FORMAT HDD? Y/N' | [13:28] |
| trinque: | seems the cautious move, right? show me what you're going to do, shithead. but no, means HOLD MY BEER I'M GOING TO CHANGE /etc/portage/* | [13:29] |
| trinque: | thing bowed to "do what I mean" right there. | [13:30] |
| * danielpbarron | always reads the emerge --ask output before typing 'yes' | [13:40] |
| danielpbarron: | but i think even if you accidentally agree to use changes, it'll put them in a ._* hidden file that you still have to manually mv to the correct place | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in usian komsomol comedy, https://archive.is/h3PHo | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | 'At least 10 students who had been accepted as members of Harvard’s Class of 2021 have already learned an important lesson about real-life consequences for online behavior. They had their offers of admission rescinded after the college learned that they had been posting wildly inappropriate memes on a private Facebook group. Here, “wildly inappropriate” means any combination of racist, bigoted, sexually explicit, or violent.' | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | 'A few examples of posts that the Harvard Crimson cites are posts referring to hanging a Mexican child as “piñata time,” and posts mocking sexual assault or the Holocaust. These are all things that are part of common discourse on some terrible parts of the internet. Yet they are not part of common discourse at Harvard, or the administration doesn’t want them to be.' | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | gold. | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao who the fuck in his right mind wants to go to harvard. | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | same folx as went to mgu in '80s? | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | 'foyootoor leaderz' | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ~guaranteed employment in the apparatus | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | (while supplies last...) | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: last i heard, ideological purity was the #1 thing there. and something like 10-20% of admissions were reserved for the Officially Sad, and similar number -- for heirs of previous generation of mandarins | [14:01] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/ << Qntra - "Reality Winner" Arrested For Leaking To Omidyar And Greenwald's Fake Qntra | [14:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. i'm just shaking my head in disbelief at the notion someone they'd consider would actually consider going. | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | "sexually explicit" ? bitch, empire at zenith starts providing commoner whores IN PAIRS and SINCE FUCKING HIGHSCOOL. | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | what the fuck else is even the point. going to harvard like that is like going to the supermarket to pay to stock their shelves. ain't what a fucking supermarket is. | [14:05] |
| asciilifeform: | if you were born & raised in the supermarket, stocking the shelves is an honour. or somethinglikethat | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ... | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i understand how the in-story narrative goes. i'm talking about reality for a moment. | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | and mircea_popescu knows very well that puritan reich does not 'supply whores in paris', or even in bmore. instead it sacks inconvenient presidents, generals, etc. under the guise of 'immoral conduct unbefitting officer' for simply having been seen to fuck something | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but why would you go lol. | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | why would you join kpss. | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | "here's the stupid reich. it... does stupid shit, and it doesn't pay. wanna join ???" "um... " | [14:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude, joining the nazi purebloods did mean you gotta eat nothing but leeks for a whole saturday to hang out with the nuts at their all-mineral-water parties. ok. | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, exactly same idea | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it ALSO meant you injected strychnine into the unterwhores and whipped them till they stiffened, if you felt like it. | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | playing fast an' loose with chronology here | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | see ? it's a quid pro quo like that, "yes $badthing, but then $goodthing". whereas here ... it's 100% "hey, want to cut your arm off so you could have an eye gouged out???" "no bitch." | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | the strychnine whippings didn't go on offer till later | [14:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | hence "Empire at zenith". | [14:11] |
| asciilifeform: | at first it was just mineralwater. | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | theres maybe 6 months differential between these. | [14:11] |
| asciilifeform: | ss founded in... '25 | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but the whole mystical hallucination didn't really start till the late 30s | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ~full swing in mid-30s | [14:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty lulzy history, also | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | i recommend heinz höhne's mega-backbreaker re subj | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc there is an english version also | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'order of death's head' | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'der orden unter dem totenkopf' | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | (1967) | [14:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | So the politics of "Reality Winner" is a bottomless lulz spiral. | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: elaborate | [14:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Blonde girl in favor of white extinction | [14:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | Typical 20-something americunt stuff | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | link? | [14:16] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://www.infowars.com/anti-trump-leaker-reality-winners-twitter-has-been-discovered-full-of-blm-anti-white-tweets/ | [14:16] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^ I rarely consult that source, but they do read social media | [14:16] |
| trinque: | of course they hired one of those. | [14:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | "There are many Americans protesting US govt aggression towards Iran. If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you!" << Pro-Iran and gets a seekoority clearance | [14:17] |
| trinque: | don't even have to have them in on the plan, just put a bunch of "super srs" looking docs in her hand. | [14:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | loller. is she looking for a black master to slavegirl @ etc ? | [14:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | "@kanyewest you should make a shirt that says, "being white is terrorism"" | [14:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | Maybe? | [14:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways it seems the leaked political attack was supposed to be released tomorrow, so Winrar committed crime of spoiling NSA director's testimony | [14:19] |
| trinque: | mmm, who can bring himself to believe that these people had some report of "omg russian hax" and it was a matter of normal procedure, and not disinfo, to hand them to Miss Reality. | [14:22] |
| trinque: | leaked means true these days. | [14:23] |
| trinque: | dontchaknow. | [14:23] |
| asciilifeform: | 'I can't imagine having kids, i worry enough about the impact of #climatechange on my cats' << loller | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, metusalah cats she got this woman ? | [14:24] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently a tru winner : asciilifeform couldn't even make a methuselah bone marrow stem cell, had to leave the entire business !111 | [14:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | Have you tried giving the bone marrow moar smokes? | [14:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | Perhaps some smoke detectors? | [14:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | benzene? | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: as you can probably guess if you think about it for 5min -- this isn't the hard part | [14:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other lies and lying liars, Obamacare exchange hits designed End of Life in Ohio, WaPo blames Trumpreich https://archive.is/bb3WF | [14:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: The hard part is patience and sorting? | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: hard part is 'divides infinitely'+'still useful, rather than tumorous liquishit with 500 chromosomes' | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | this, now that i think of it, is a universal annoyance, in other walks of life also | [14:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | What part of methuselah means useful? And what keeps tumorous liquishit from being useful? HeLa has to be cheap enough now to be used as ballast. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: fashionable, in those days, idea, was to 'make unaging tissue' by reenabling telomerase (normally jumpered out, in most tissue). but -- somewhat unsurprisingly -- it turned out to be a 'glue the gas gauge needle to 'full'' sort of thing | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. the thing was jumpered out 'for a reason' | [14:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, gas gauge is sup[erfluous thing like tachometer. Real motorist can tell with ear if machine needs fuel. | [14:36] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose if your auto is a leaf blower | [14:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nah, it's a rather identifiable enging stopping sound | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform afaik "activated teleomerase" === "more chromosomes than proteins" sorta deal. | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: best analogy i can think of -- 'xerocopy of xerocopy...' | [14:46] |
| asciilifeform: | goes to shit | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the idea of "better cell" is inescapable for even cursory qualified microbiologist, chiefly because cell really is a pile of accidentally functioning complexity. | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | the happenstance that improvements dun werk isn't of the nature of discouraging anyone. | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | the accidental-pile is the lure for improvement-hunters to begin with | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. the only kind of system that could even in principle contain room for massive-improvements | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | but -- not so easy. | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ( see the old dragonfly thread... ) | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, the other problem is that "better" in the sense of hardy isn't exactly better in the sense of useful. hence the hela example, beats ~any eukariotic cells out of the water, and so what of it. | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | in the end it's just a very incompetent bacterium | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | aaha | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | but hey, winnerz are winnerz, neh? | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ( in continuation of the eternal http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635945 thread!111 ) | [15:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-02 15:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit. | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. cancer ftw! | [15:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | Conservative estimates suggest Henrietta Lacks's weight has moved beyond the 40,000 pound mark | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | all her children!!1 | [15:24] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: you have more in common with your stone age great^n-parent, than the current hela has with original | [15:24] |
| asciilifeform: | ( is it even possible, at this point, to identify species of it !? ) | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | no apparently it's quite stable | [15:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | Eh, just need to start throwing HeLa at distant stars. | [15:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways, seeing what happens to Qatar as the weeks roll on should be lulzy | [15:31] |
| asciilifeform: | unrelatedly, | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( comes with makefile & a little bit of commentary ) | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | 081bc7c5687e1b7820ded87223bdcaa17d902ac6ea1f82b01a55d1683a2ddadfe4bc0f713d66bc2d5afbc51deb607c71460e6d9a4278382a7be526d0e7ef5582 | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | what you get, is ability to mmapize arbitrary data structure | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ~400 ln total. | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | comes with a small test routine, see horsecocks.adb. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ( makes a 1G mmap, and twiddles a byte therein ) | [15:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: embargo when | [15:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | ben_vulpes: More likely de-Obamatizing | [15:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | looks like an effective embargo already, since q lacks deepwater ports | [15:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | maersk can't get to 'em | [15:50] |
| ben_vulpes: | so exciting! | [15:53] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally diana_coman et al might find the paste interesting -- it demonstrates, also, ada/c glue. | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, thanks for the ping! re ada/c - my small tests some while ago went surprisingly well actually, maybe the code was way too simple to get into trouble | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: I could call from C code the methods provided in Ada code | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't get it, i thought qatar was a peninsula. | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: gluing in whichever direction, is pretty easy, when you have it all in 1 compiler | [15:59] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: mmaps offer yet another method of glue -- theoretically 2+ processes can simply share it | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | ahh | [15:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ( though it is not why i made an mmaptron ) | [15:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: no deepwater ports make it difficult to deliver food directly, neighbors have said "no stopping at qatar after with us" | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | sorry, I was deep into other stuff and got directly onto the ping, w.o. getting to catch up with the log | [16:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | suez exclusion whennnnn | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya but... | [16:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu is suggesting this could be another 'mosul'? | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | besides, iran as a russian proxy seems to be ready to ship | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes not really usg hasn't yet won THAT one. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, lulz of all time "one of 3 sovereign pretenders in libya "cut ties" with qatar". hurr really ? | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently the perils of being allied with the usg is still not apparent. fucking served libya ah so well. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | "yemen's internationally recognized government" aka "usg imposed illegitimate criminal organisation based in yemen" idem "cuts ties". wtf ties. | [16:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: 'mosul' in the sense of "we're totally about to win! it's going to happen! any day!" | [16:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | "omg supplies embargoed over ramadan! peninsulites ready to keel over any day!" | [16:10] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm asciilifeform at a quick make (on a machine where I played with Ada successfully - if little - before) I get this: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lMtJf/?raw=true | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno. somewhat of a game of chicken, lots of "valuable" real estate piled up there. saudi arabia is particularly frail, if rockets start falling in capital the whole saudi nonsense will prolly end. | [16:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's ~equivalent of south korea, international criminal community "miracle" / extraterritorial depot. | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, furthermore: adding -gnat12 got rid of the default discriminant barfs (as promised by ada docs) but I still have the complaints on prefix of "image" attribute | [16:38] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo) | [16:38] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6 recently ran into exact same issue, but for some reason i can't turn it up in the log | [16:39] |
| asciilifeform: | ( possibly it was in #trilema-mod6 ) | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | weren't we going for stricter? | [16:39] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: in this particular example, can debate which is the useful-stricter | [16:39] |
| asciilifeform: | standard, iirc, permits the variant. | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | k | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | it won't actually matter in any of my properly (v-genesis) released material -- i have no plan to use gnat's standard io for anything | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | but it does appear in example snips. | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( 'image' -- for the uninitiated -- is the operation sometimes called 'to-string' in other languages ) | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | I can confirm it eats that part fine once changed to QItem'Image(V) instead of V'Image | [16:48] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: what barf remains ? | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AoXKc/?raw=true | [16:49] |
| asciilifeform: | lemme guess, | [16:49] |
| asciilifeform: | you're on a 32bit box ?? | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | no, lolz | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | it's 64bit | [16:50] |
| asciilifeform: | your gnat is a 64bit binary ? verify | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, I just double checked arch | [16:50] |
| asciilifeform: | your gnat is certifiably broken, then | [16:51] |
| asciilifeform: | throw it out and get the proper one. | [16:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ( 4.9 from adacore ) | [16:52] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | what can i say, the statement is 100% legal per the standard | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | if a compiler won't eat it -- it's retarded and must die. | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | try To_Address instead of System'To_Address | [16:54] |
| asciilifeform: | ( they are, per standard, equivalent forms, but possibly stock gcc is broken in this particular spot ) | [16:54] |
| asciilifeform: | i probably oughta explain why we even have this MAP_FAILED : constant Address := System'To_Address(16#FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF#) | [16:55] |
| asciilifeform: | mmap is a unixism and returns a null ptr on failure | [16:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( because unix was dropped as a child, it uses in-band idiocy and magic failure values that are not type-distinguishable from successes ) | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | neah, it says it can't even see it then will try another time with the adacore 4.9 | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | this on all known boxes equals buswidth(0)-1 | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | aka -1 | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | but it ain't a -1 to us, because we are using a sane language and it is treated ONLY as the addr of the beginning of the allocated mmap. but first gotta check for the failure. so this requires a comparison to FFFFF....[buswidthsize] | [16:57] |
| asciilifeform: | note, again, we cannot compare to -1, because we are using a sane language, where '-1' is not a valid address of anything, nor even a valid modular-type | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | so instead we have this explicit constant. | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ( now that i think about it, we could also obtain the eggog code by invoking a mmap that will be certain to fail, and recording the result. but ugghh... ) | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | might also change | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: if it ever were to change, ~100% of the contents of your box would barf | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | irrecoverably | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | so quite unlikely. | [17:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | not during runtime. during lifetime of codebase. | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | but linus did love to brag, 'nobody promised you a stable abi', as if this were a point of pride. | [17:01] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: well yes. | [17:01] |
| asciilifeform: | https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_rm/Address-Clauses.html << discussion of 'address' | [17:02] |
| asciilifeform: | sooo let's visit the posix folx, while we're at it, | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | and we find this gem : | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Existing implementations of mmap() return the value -1 when unsuccessful. Since the casting of this value to type void * cannot be guaranteed by the ISO C standard to be distinct from a successful value, this volume of POSIX.1-2008 defines the symbol MAP_FAILED, which a conforming implementation does not return as the result of a successful call.' | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ( http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ ) | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform: | didjaknow. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 ) | [17:07] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour. | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666711 << erratum -- it ain't (perhaps obviously) a null, it's a (void *)-1 | [17:16] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 20:55 asciilifeform: mmap is a unixism and returns a null ptr on failure | [17:16] |
| asciilifeform: | oh, phun phakt, adacore distributes its own mmaptron -- but it is monstrous (easily 25x larger than mine) and largely on account of supporting winblowz | [17:22] |
| asciilifeform: | i won't even bother to link to it. who wants -- can find. | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666594 << ~anyone, supposing he has a u.s. passport, and 0 official record of judgements against him, can get 'top secret clearance' with corporate sponsorship. the filtration (i.e. who is permitted into any interesting 'compartment') comes ~after~ | [17:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 18:17 BingoBoingo: "There are many Americans protesting US govt aggression towards Iran. If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you!" << Pro-Iran and gets a seekoority clearance | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | at one time ~million completed (yes) application forms for this, leaked, any enthusiastic entomologist can go, read. | [17:49] |
| asciilifeform: | the various hazing rituals, and onerous bureaucracy associated with said cult, are well-documented elsewhere, i will not bother to recount. | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | corporate sponsorship to work for nsa ? | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds moar like pantsuit whore party sponsorship. | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: most 'intelligence komyooniti' folx slave for a nominally 'private' org, rather than for usg in the proper sense | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform: | this 'sponsor' is expected to cover cost of paperwork | [18:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ( which costs, depending on whom one asks, 5-25k usd ) | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. still, this looks like a home office clerk rather than an actual contractor. woman had all the intellectual power of a pet goat. | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | this'd be an accurate description of most of the folx in the business, yes | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | they hire on a very late-sovok 'too dim to know what to steal and where to take it' principle | [18:18] |
| trinque: | still missing the disinfo value of this "leak" imo. | [18:19] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666601 | [18:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-06-06 18:23 trinque: leaked means true these days. | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: looked like a generic 'ohnoez ru hackingz' item | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | snore. | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque i don't think anyone bothered to read the content of the crap. | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | i did.. | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | it was a snoar | [18:20] |
| trinque: | now they can head into this comey guy's testimony with ample reference to the leaked doc | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i did not. also am not going to. for very precisely the trinque reason, i can't be arsed to read $nobody provenance items. | [18:20] |
| trinque: | it's a move against trump, transparently. | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: it was a convenient cheat around the 'they cited 0 actual intel' thing | [18:21] |
| trinque: | aha. | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | now can unofficially-cite 'genuine1!!!1 nsaological find' | [18:21] |
| trinque: | exactly right, and "we'd show you the proof, but classified!" | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: you missed 0 useful | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | im sure. | [18:24] |
| asciilifeform: | also i expect the criminal case against the chick, will somehow evaporate. | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends how much "heroine of the ourdemocracy" mileage can be had from it. | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | if nobody gives a shit, yes. if "social media storm", then not right off. | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | well yes, 'first you pillage, ~then~ you burn' | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe dumb cunt hangs self in prison, optimal outcome as far as the pantsuit are concerned. | [18:26] |
| asciilifeform: | saint factory, lel | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | could be concern for her cats, what. | [18:26] |
| asciilifeform: | i'd expect those'd be sold for soap | [18:27] |
| mod6: | hey asciilifeform, never thought i'd say this but: thanks for the horsecocks! | [19:57] |
| mod6: | yeah, i get some strictness errors with gnatmake, probably can fix as discussed above. | [20:02] |
| mod6: | (without using adacore) | [20:02] |
| asciilifeform: | lol yw mod6 | [20:39] |
| mod6: | !!key pete_dushenski | [20:48] |
| deedbot: | http://wot.deedbot.org/E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD.asc | [20:48] |
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