Forum logs for 05 Jul 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [05:15]
gribble: Current Blocks: 419376 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [05:15]
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~1.88% With Subsidy Halving Days Away - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-1-88-with-subsidy-halving-days-away/ [05:37]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: business partner of mine had a really good quote about millennial girls: "everyone decided to raise a fucking princess not a woman" [06:29]
jurov: Some illustration pic for qntra: https://i.redd.it/qvynswrwca7x.jpg [07:45]
BingoBoingo: ty jurov [08:00]
shinohai: ^ priceless [08:09]
shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit. [08:30]
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rbypl/saving_thedao_by_breaking_the_split_mechanism/d4zuhcr <<< you shouldn't have told the world our shit was broken, now we might actually have to fix it. [08:55]
thestringpuller: lol php/mysql is what qntra runs on [08:56]
shinohai: I still hate it [08:58]
shinohai: Quite possibly it is this nasty box I am having to deal with, may try to obtain a Digital Ocean box later on this week [08:59]
asciilifeform: phf: l0gz down again ?? [09:21]
thestringpuller: oh noes [09:26]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is always first to notice. you must be reading logs most often. [09:26]
asciilifeform: i woke up, wat [09:28]
thestringpuller: i'm pretty sure you have logs directly inputted into your brain upon waking every morning [09:30]
jurov: thestringpuller: no he said just waken up. that means he reads log when sleeping [09:39]
thestringpuller: aha! [09:40]
jurov: if i did that, i'd get crazy, too [09:41]
phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform [09:45]
thestringpuller: or hire a slave to be on-call [09:47]
deedbot: [Qntra] Suicide Bombers Strike Saudi Arabia - http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/ [10:01]
BingoBoingo: In other news, Qntra now has a "Weather Category" to document notable instances of Aloha Snackbar http://qntra.net/category/weather/ [10:09]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10CM [10:32]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [10:32]
shinohai: Also appears there are some eth users that are going to preserve old chain "Teh REALLY REAL ethereum" http://archive.is/Uf9nW [10:37]
BingoBoingo: ty [10:38]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: editing "troubled altcoin" to more accurate "flaming tire fire in a shitpit" [10:41]
shinohai: kk [10:42]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: let me know if other new lulz are acceptable [10:50]
shinohai: I'm sure they will be fine, I'm still at least another year away until I can rattle off lulz in the same manner. [10:51]
BingoBoingo: Well can't help time [10:52]
deedbot: [Qntra] Ether Huffers Continue Fall Into Depravity - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/ [10:53]
thestringpuller: Dat short sell tho [11:06]
thestringpuller: why did i even come to work today [11:06]
thestringpuller: calc 81690479 * 3.50 [11:12]
gribble: 285916676.5 [11:12]
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4rbff1/what_will_happen_to_exchange_trading_duringpost/ << wow this is interesting [11:13]
thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut [11:13]
shinohai: Well looks like Hillary dodged a bullet with the feebs [11:22]
asciilifeform: muppetshow, snore. [11:30]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: only cares about his computer bretheren [11:30]
thestringpuller: pretty sure when the machines take over that calculator will remember how well asciilifeform took care of it [11:30]
asciilifeform: just not esp. excited about rigged matches. [11:31]
thestringpuller: even if its proof of scam? [11:31]
trinque: thing's well proved at this point. [11:31]
thestringpuller: so said the prosecution when pursuing OJ [11:32]
thestringpuller: glove don't fit, you must acquit [11:32]
asciilifeform: not every muppet knows that it is a muppet. [11:32]
asciilifeform: http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2005/kermit-visits-doctor.jpg << oblig. [11:32]
shinohai: I am convinced that asciilifeform is really just some sort of AI comprised of Elbrus chips. [11:36]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller iirc that's in trilema somewhere :D [12:05]
deedbot: [Qntra] FBI Stooge Affirms Clinton Privilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/fbi-stooge-affirms-clinton-privilege/ [12:07]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-05-jul-2016#2123869 <<what'd it do nao. [12:07]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 12:30 shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit. [12:07]
phf: he's probably just reading it :> [12:07]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut. [12:08]
BingoBoingo: ? [12:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497337 << this is how you train sluts. "there's one pair of panties in the entire house, whichever wakes up first gets them. [12:09]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 13:45 phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform [12:09]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nobody read mysql what. it's automatically generated code on the basis of an old instance of lotus 1-2-3 [12:10]
BingoBoingo: AHA [12:10]
shinohai: Nah, it was just setup woes on a remote Ubuntu server, which is getting replaced with Deb as we speak. Hopefully will go a bit smoother. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/ <<< bwahahah [12:12]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497356 << hey, gotta try and pickle the corpse somehow. [12:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 15:13 thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut [12:13]
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, was the main and is now the ~only reason for the ethereum hard fork. give a plausible excuse as to why nobody's trading it) [12:14]
mircea_popescu: usg wants to save poloniex (ie, the owners, while somewhat tools, dun wanna be all-the-way tools) so you know, it'll just delist ethereum and that's that. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: ready to go for the next reiteration of "oh noes, a-guy-that-isn't-mp-i-can-tell-by-some-signapixels beat the shit out of our bitcoin weakening improvements, so now we're making a shitcoin alternative to take over". [12:15]
mircea_popescu: dat pendulum doth swing. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: this being the seal on the deal : "Also, be extra careful with leveraged positions. For example, if you have leveraged ETH long pre-fork, you may end up with TWO leveraged long positions of ETH1 and ETH2 post-fork, with each position value at only a fraction of pre-fork ETH." [12:17]
thestringpuller: I thought that poloniex exists entirely to allow whales to take money from altcoin scammers... [12:33]
asciilifeform: 'In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual tr [12:40]
asciilifeform: ansparency is in order. Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a [12:40]
asciilifeform: person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.' [12:40]
asciilifeform: (fbi dir. comey) [12:40]
asciilifeform: heil clitler. [12:40]
shinohai: o/ [12:40]
asciilifeform: what, genuinely thought she was prosecutable ? [12:41]
* trinque factors reasonable considerations, comes up with "No." [12:41]
trinque: heh, so similar situations like Petraeus [12:42]
asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.' [12:43]
asciilifeform: I AM NOT A CROOK!!!11111 (tm) (r) [12:43]
asciilifeform: the man was telling the truth re 'no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case'. unless 'reasonable' can somehow include 'wants to be nailgunned' [12:45]
mircea_popescu: "whales" [12:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, the clapham omnibus prosecutor! novel us doctrine! [12:54]
mircea_popescu: i thought "our system" was such that the prosecutor, aiming for political office in a decade, will pursue the most fantastic claims out of a misguided desire for publicity, and then cover up the various fabrications. you know, like mayor of new york and ex bhahara giuliani ? [12:55]
mircea_popescu: apparently they changed the system. [12:55]
asciilifeform: picture if sov prosecutor tried to indict brezhnev [12:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497399 << check it out, he thinks himself mp! [12:56]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 16:43 asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.' [12:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't there that joke with the drunk driving ? [12:57]
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, but brejnev was driving him!" [12:57]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [13:07]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 669.99, vol: 3056.57236577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.653, vol: 5709.61319 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 671.19, vol: 19882.569183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 620.0, vol: 0.10022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 676.3005, vol: 37154.05810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 673.76, vol: 885.80969504 | Volume-weighted last average: 672.771656934 [13:07]
phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld [13:09]
phf: fe[nl]ix: currently QPX cannot be effectively profiled and that sucks [13:09]
phf: asciilifeform: ^ [13:09]
phf: in case you're wondering who's driving the core of sbcl dev [13:10]
asciilifeform: it is still developed ?! [13:10]
phf: what is still developed? [13:11]
asciilifeform: sbcl [13:11]
phf: i thought ecl and sbcl are the only lisps that are in active development [13:11]
phf: unless you're saying that you've been running your own personal fork for years and is ignorant of any going ons around the platform [13:13]
asciilifeform: more or less [13:13]
asciilifeform: did i miss anything ? [13:14]
phf: not particularly, just the fact that sbcl development is now handled by google [13:15]
asciilifeform: sad [13:17]
thestringpuller: seen jurov [13:18]
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 37 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jurov> if i did that, i'd get crazy, too [13:18]
thestringpuller: $google slovenian time [13:18]
deedbot: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/slovenia/ljubljana << Current Local Time in Ljubljana, Slovenia | http://www.sloveniatimes.com/ << The Slovenia Times - Daily News and Features from Slovenia ... | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_SI.aspx << Current local time in Slovenia [13:19]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: iirc he is in slovakia, but same time belt [13:19]
phf: "he's from somewhere near transylvania. he has this whole dracula-cowboy thing about him." [13:30]
jurov: wut [13:32]
deedbot: [Qntra] Novel Business Idea - http://qntra.net/2016/07/novel-business-idea/ [13:33]
jurov: i do live in carpathians, but near the more boring end :D [13:33]
BingoBoingo: Next qntra to hit deedbot is for alf [13:44]
deedbot: [Qntra] Counterpoint: Maybe Comey Didn't Want To "Crush His Own Throat" #ClintonPrivilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/counterpoint-maybe-comey-didnt-want-to-crush-his-own-throat-clintonprivilege/ [13:45]
shinohai: BingoBoingo on a roll today [13:45]
BingoBoingo: A lot of things are coming together today [13:45]
thestringpuller: It's a good news day. [13:49]
asciilifeform: in not-quite-nyooz, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18880654/why-do-i-get-the-same-sequence-for-every-run-with-stdrandom-device-with-mingw [13:51]
shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential. [14:04]
trinque: "Will fuck my father for 2 minutes and upload video for $50 USD in bitcoin." << slut either has an old boyfriend, or would've fucked her dad for $0 [14:08]
trinque: I call shenanigans. [14:08]
shinohai: xD [14:18]
ben_vulpes: http://cruisingwithgunhead.tumblr.com/post/146941117989/new-aesthetic-via-this-guy-irl-on-twitter << nobody could have predicted their using the optic nerve as a weapon [14:25]
BingoBoingo: Also look what place is capable of upboating more than reddit: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1152197/5713439 [14:57]
asciilifeform: $s arkencide [14:58]
a111: 1 results for "arkencide", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arkencide [14:58]
deedbot: [Qntra] CoinJoin Not A Privacy Tool After All - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/ [14:58]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol [14:58]
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/qBVPNvLPjxw/L18xF9cmS7EJ [14:59]
asciilifeform: Official Truth re same: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp [15:00]
BingoBoingo: More R-kensaw https://i.sli.mg/dXBJxR.png [15:00]
BingoBoingo: Request: pls to let me know if I left any qntra posts about spree killings out of the "weather" category http://qntra.net/category/weather/ [15:02]
BingoBoingo: later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/#comment-63127 [15:04]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [15:04]
BingoBoingo: 8======D ~~~~o O- [15:34]
wyrdmantis: $key mod6 [15:42]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f8f3ac91-5161-41eb-85fb-6e3d5d38ba2e/ [15:42]
wyrdmantis: $key asciilifeform [15:44]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/003c8703-b24a-42dd-9ddc-a74536efcc25/ [15:44]
asciilifeform: later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI [15:52]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [15:52]
asciilifeform: soooo it appears that we do not have ~any~ recipe posted for building vtronic trb ? [16:02]
asciilifeform: or did i misplace. [16:02]
wyrdmantis: i need it very much because i'm n00b [16:06]
jurov: wyrdmantis: you need to get stator and press the sources in directory where stator expects them [16:10]
asciilifeform: stator is obsolete [16:10]
asciilifeform: use rotor. [16:10]
asciilifeform: (builds with musl, instead of glibc) [16:10]
* wyrdmantis groans [16:23]
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: your best bet is to wait for mod6 to wake up, iirc he had a draft of a recipe somewhere [16:23]
wyrdmantis: ok, thanks asciilifeform [16:24]
trinque: $s http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh [16:30]
a111: 7 results for "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdeedbot.org%2Fbuild-bitcoind-V99995.sh [16:30]
trinque: wyrdmantis: ^ afaik that's the latest build script. [16:30]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1482967 [16:31]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 00:24 mod6: so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from: [16:31]
wyrdmantis: trinque thanks, i'm trying to follow this > http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin [16:51]
wyrdmantis: with no luck [16:51]
trinque: "no luck" is a terrible bug report!!!111! [16:52]
wyrdmantis: it keep saying: Impossible to verify the sig: No public key [16:52]
wyrdmantis: Lol [16:53]
trinque: it's telling you the truth [16:53]
wyrdmantis: i know that between the two he is right and i'm wrong [16:53]
jurov: wyrdmantis: you're supposed to gather the pubkeys yourself [16:53]
wyrdmantis: i've followed the guide literally [16:54]
trinque: wyrdmantis: it assumes you know how to operate gpg [16:54]
trinque: go find the key it's asking for and import that [16:55]
jurov: and it assumes you know how to operate bash, too (to get more helpful information about failure, add set -x to the script) [16:55]
ben_vulpes: buildroot sig? [17:09]
BingoBoingo: $uo TheFactory7 [17:13]
BingoBoingo: $up TheFactory7 [17:15]
deedbot: TheFactory7 voiced for 30 minutes. [17:15]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI << Is this necessary? [17:19]
mod6: o.O [17:19]
mod6: I know it still points there. [17:19]
mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them. [17:21]
TheFactory7: did you see netki raising money and working on know your customer aml integration on wallets? [17:21]
mod6: shinohai, trinque ^ can someone please help me out with this? or do I not need an account to make the change? [17:21]
mod6: later tell wyrdmantis Yea, you need to gather the wot keys manually, this is by design. Please stop back in if you need more assistance. [17:23]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [17:23]
asciilifeform: mod6: wyrdmantis showed up asking for handbook, and i had nfi what to give him. [17:23]
asciilifeform: TheFactory7: did you see, somewhere in rural china a pig is eating shit ? even as we speak ? [17:24]
shinohai: hue [17:24]
trinque: shinohai: you gonna swap them to dash or somethin? [17:24]
shinohai: mod6: I could try to change it to underscores maybe [17:24]
trinque: dash plspls [17:24]
shinohai: ok dashes [17:25]
* trinque offers again to just give ssh access to a dir somewhere over wiki [17:25]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10IU <<< test messages per your last instructions [17:25]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [17:25]
mod6: shinohai: please, please. [17:25]
mod6: asciilifeform: calm down. [17:25]
mod6: everything that is required to do for anyone is in wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin [17:25]
trinque: asciilifeform likes to pretend he is sgt ru.mil!1!11! [17:25]
mod6: it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc" [17:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: i was damn sure there was a draft cookbook but i slept through it, and it was not yet posted to trb www. [17:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: but i guess i dreamed it [17:26]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: better, but SHA512 instead of SHA256 [17:27]
mod6: There is some extensive documentation to my V. Indeed, and we aspired to make the build recipie as simple as possible for the whole orchastra. So DPB (?) wrote it up and posted it at the previously linked place. [17:27]
shinohai: Oh shit, my bad. [17:27]
mod6: I will not relink any new article until it is a sane url. [17:27]
TheFactory7: asciilifeform: no need to go to china for that [17:28]
asciilifeform: TheFactory7: point being, i have nfi why anyone here would care whether some derp somewhere implemented usg's kyc [17:28]
asciilifeform: i could be wrong. [17:29]
mod6: <+mod6> it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc" << perhaps a parenthitical needs to be added to this that says: (This is a manual process.) [17:33]
mod6: $up wyrdmantis [17:53]
deedbot: wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes. [17:53]
shinohai: trinque: links at top of wiki still non-functional for me as well [17:54]
shinohai: Also, doesn't appear once article is made that I can change title, unless I am missing something. [17:55]
mod6: Thanks for checking that otu [17:56]
shinohai: Meaning I guess that I will have to redo the whole shebang, sorry guise [17:57]
mod6: no sweat either way. [17:57]
mod6: maybe trinque has a way around this may be best to see what he says first before you rework the whole shebang [17:57]
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4738 [18:01]
shinohai: `Dindustan` [18:03]
BingoBoingo: What, they dindu it? [18:07]
trinque: mod6: shinohai: we might want to switch to a better wiki if we're talking about a redo [18:13]
trinque: if that thing doesn't have article name editing I'd have to add it, and I'd rather not end up developing cliki [18:13]
mod6: yeah, alternatively i might just stand one up for the foundation [18:13]
trinque: cliki seems like it sucks [18:13]
mod6: and, i think we're just gonna change course here on that page "The Real Bitcoin" [18:13]
mod6: we'll just get the HTML and post it right to the foundation instead. [18:13]
mod6: problem solved. [18:13]
trinque: I'm for that [18:13]
jurov: O.o and how can be a wiki so slow? [18:15]
trinque: eh it's just on a busy box [18:16]
mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ? [18:16]
asciilifeform: it is horribly out of date. [18:17]
asciilifeform: zoolag = 72.83.9.184 [18:17]
trinque: mod6: 172.86.178.46 << deedbot [18:17]
asciilifeform: incitatus is long dead [18:17]
mod6: trinque: is that the deedbot trb ip then? [18:17]
asciilifeform: bucephalus is dead until the next time i can get to it, which won't be for ages [18:17]
trinque: mod6: yeah [18:17]
asciilifeform: 'mine' is mircea_popescu's box and it doesn't ping and hasn't in eons [18:18]
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what he did with it [18:18]
asciilifeform: 'coracle' belongs to ben_vulpes and also hasn't worked in eons [18:18]
asciilifeform: this rounds out the list. [18:18]
asciilifeform: $up Joshua-I [18:20]
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. [18:20]
mod6: i've got one that isn't public facing, but maybe i'll open it up [18:20]
mod6: not right this second, but soon [18:20]
Joshua-I: Hey I'm friends with Gabe. [18:25]
Joshua-I: Haven't read all the logs yet, but I'm getting around to it [18:25]
asciilifeform: Joshua-I: have pgp key ? [18:26]
Joshua-I: Yeah I reg'd it [18:26]
asciilifeform: go ahead and test [18:26]
Joshua-I: Not rated so I can't up myself yet [18:26]
asciilifeform: $rate Joshua-I 1 new blood. [18:30]
mod6: ok so the Foundation homepage has been updated with a new link -- the page is stored locally. [18:30]
Joshua-I: Thank you very much [18:30]
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html [18:30]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6da027a3-9d45-405c-8c63-4803a02bbae4/ [18:30]
mod6: In the next day or so, I'll get a full list of trusted nodes still up and update the page with that as well. [18:31]
asciilifeform: $v D9B383045782564C09497E8D018408F4A7BA94601C7C1FC750C7C8372CF7936A [18:31]
deedbot: asciilifeform rated Joshua-I 1 << new blood. [18:31]
mod6: alright. [18:35]
mod6: i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html [18:35]
mod6: this is now linked from the home page as well. [18:35]
mod6: hope this helps. [18:35]
mod6: All: Let me know if you have a fully sync'd node (and you're in my WoT) and would like to be in this list. Thanks in advance. [18:36]
* asciilifeform cringes at reference to 'trusted' ips. [18:40]
mod6: what would you hvae me change in either of the pages? [18:45]
shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing. [19:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497413 << does this make sense ? [19:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 17:09 phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld [19:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497441 << easy enough to check. [19:46]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 18:04 shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential. [19:46]
shinohai: mircea_popescu: the collectalldrugs "girl" refused my request to come here and show tits. [19:48]
mircea_popescu: heh [19:49]
mircea_popescu: oh, did you submit the thing [19:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497498 << the problem is that currently foreigners aiming to become citizens have no clear path to follow. this hasta be resolved, there must be a well maintained page somewhere they can find and follow. [19:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 21:21 mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: mod6 oh, nm, it's in http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin ? kay then. [19:56]
mircea_popescu: $help [19:58]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html [19:58]
mircea_popescu: that should hold us for a while then. [20:06]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497549 << is not. missing 91.218.246.31 46.166.170.208 etc. [20:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 22:16 mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << his problems is that ips aren't that strong an identification. nothing can be done about it for now, so whatevs. [20:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing. [20:13]
shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: myea [20:14]
Joshua-I: Cool! So voicing myself worked. Sorry about leaving abruptly earlier: my free wifi time was up just as I logged in here [20:15]
mircea_popescu: welcome [20:16]
Joshua-I: Anyway, executive summary is I do web development typically [20:16]
Joshua-I: Ty mircea [20:16]
Joshua-I: And I've been hanging out with Gabe [20:17]
mircea_popescu: what's a gabe ? [20:17]
Joshua-I: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/ <-- him [20:18]
asciilifeform: 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin to become a citizen.' << this is open invitation to kako to emplace goatse [20:21]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << mno. there is no mitm countermeasure because bitcoin nodes have no identity. [20:22]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing. [20:22]
trinque: mod6 │ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html [20:22]
asciilifeform: trinque: neato [20:22]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497604 << of naked tcp, aha. [20:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:14 shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately. [20:23]
Joshua-I: Mmm excellent [20:24]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu try as i might, i can't get the comment-staleness thing to work [20:24]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [20:24]
trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki [20:26]
asciilifeform: has anyone other than phf gotten it to work 100% ? [20:26]
trinque: I see value in keeping old tutorials available as historical items, for one [20:26]
asciilifeform: (complete with enabling all antispam, etc) [20:26]
shinohai: Working on it asciilifeform ... I just haven't had a decent box to run it all on [20:27]
asciilifeform: even after adding the necessary hooks to the comments.php from particular theme, and the resulting html follows the pattern seen on mircea_popescu's site, i still get 'stale' error [20:27]
asciilifeform: when submitting comment. [20:28]
asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item [20:28]
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/#comment-63145 [20:29]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016-info/hillary-protection/hillary-protection-2016.htm << possibly entertaining, clitler's guards [20:30]
Joshua-I: Guess I'll set up that trusted node stuff in a vm [20:33]
Joshua-I: bbl going for dinner [20:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got a better link ? [20:45]
asciilifeform: for which [20:45]
mircea_popescu: the goatse [20:45]
asciilifeform: trb? trinque made one [20:45]
asciilifeform: see l0gz from last hour [20:45]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [20:46]
mircea_popescu: now then. what coment staleness ? [20:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497623 << might be worth a shot [20:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:26 trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki [20:48]
asciilifeform: 'Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again.' << that one. [20:48]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497630 << notrly the whole purpose, but a good chunk sure. [20:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:28 asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item [20:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link me to your instlal again what was it ? [20:48]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform.com [20:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing comment_post_time [20:50]
mircea_popescu: $comment_post_time [20:50]
mircea_popescu: $s comment_post_time [20:50]
a111: 5 results for "comment_post_time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comment_post_time [20:50]
asciilifeform: ah hm [20:50]
asciilifeform: where does it go [20:51]
mircea_popescu: either lift it from his patch or else put it in the theme comments under comment_post_ID [20:53]
asciilifeform: and yeah it worx, ty [20:53]
mircea_popescu: win. [20:53]
asciilifeform: except hm [20:54]
mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening gpg comments auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc. [20:54]
asciilifeform: does login persist by ip ? [20:54]
asciilifeform: why does commenting inside fresh browser instance end up 'admin' [20:54]
mircea_popescu: only admin login should exist works by cookie [20:54]
asciilifeform: hm dun seem to actually work [20:55]
asciilifeform: other than as logged in user [20:55]
asciilifeform: try it [20:55]
asciilifeform: it goes to mod queue [20:56]
asciilifeform: but with 0 feedback to commenter [20:56]
asciilifeform: just pops right back up at the form with empty contents [20:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so add feedback if you want feedback. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: trilema has a info bit above the comment box instead. [21:00]
asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi how and where. [21:01]
asciilifeform: there is a built-in 'if comment_approved' thing in the themes [21:02]
asciilifeform: but for some reason the flag is not present ? [21:02]
asciilifeform: this is particular to wp-mp [21:02]
mircea_popescu: lol that's not claled "it dun work" now is it. for instance, if youyd like your current "Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *" to read like my "If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed." then grep for the first string replace with 2nd string. [21:03]
mircea_popescu: "if comment_approved" can't be a flag at post time. [21:03]
asciilifeform: in STOCK wp, it is ! [21:03]
asciilifeform: for fucks sake [21:03]
asciilifeform: hitting 'submit' to be presented with the original page and blank form and NO indication of what happened, is nonsense [21:03]
mircea_popescu: b [21:04]
mircea_popescu: b [21:04]
asciilifeform: and this is not what happens on trilema [21:04]
mircea_popescu: damn. how would the machinery know at the time someone hits submit whether you'l lapprove it later or not ? [21:04]
asciilifeform: it knows that it is in the mod queue [21:04]
asciilifeform: vs immediately-approved [21:04]
mircea_popescu: ok, so you want it to do a "your comment is awaiting moderation" thing ? [21:05]
asciilifeform: aha [21:05]
asciilifeform: most of the themes appear to already have the hook [21:05]
mircea_popescu: guess what : trilema does this [21:05]
mircea_popescu: (try, see) [21:05]
asciilifeform: test (Your comment is awaiting moderation) [21:06]
mircea_popescu: aha. [21:06]
asciilifeform: so, how ?? [21:06]
mircea_popescu: teh... normal way ? [21:07]
mircea_popescu: iirc phf's install does it also. [21:07]
asciilifeform: it does [21:08]
asciilifeform: but he never published his theme [21:08]
asciilifeform: so i have nfi how ! [21:08]
asciilifeform: default theme does no such thing [21:09]
mircea_popescu: i thought he was using teh default. [21:09]
asciilifeform: apparently not [21:09]
mircea_popescu: weird shit. [21:10]
mircea_popescu: grep for the string what you got there ? [21:10]
asciilifeform: it is in wp-includes/comment-template.php [21:11]
mircea_popescu: no, in comments.php [21:11]
asciilifeform: not in the default theme ! [21:11]
mircea_popescu: well possibly because it doesn't support this. [21:11]
asciilifeform: the only place in mp tarball that has it [21:11]
mircea_popescu: obviously. if the text not there you ain't getting it. [21:11]
asciilifeform: is the template. [21:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mp tarball does not include a theme. [21:11]
asciilifeform: my theme has it ! [21:11]
mircea_popescu: dude... [21:12]
asciilifeform: yes i know [21:12]
mircea_popescu: <? if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><em>(Your comment is awaiting moderation)</em> << in comments.php, where you want it posted. [21:12]
asciilifeform: <?php if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><span class="unapproved"><?php _e('Your comment is awaiting moderation.', 'veryplaintxt') ?></span><?php endif ?> [21:12]
asciilifeform: yes. [21:12]
asciilifeform: there it is. [21:12]
asciilifeform: and 0 effect. [21:12]
mircea_popescu: weird. [21:12]
mircea_popescu: wtf is "php _e" ? [21:13]
asciilifeform: how the hell would i know [21:13]
mircea_popescu: apparently your interpreter doesn't either. [21:13]
mircea_popescu: nfi what _e function is, myself. [21:13]
asciilifeform: https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/_e << appears to be a thing..? [21:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. a thing introduced after 2008 [21:14]
mircea_popescu: stick to echo. [21:14]
asciilifeform: my php has it [21:14]
asciilifeform: or, e.g., 'Post a Comment' would likewise fail to appear. [21:14]
asciilifeform: and numerous other strings similarly encrudded in the theme. [21:15]
asciilifeform: so this isn't it. [21:15]
shinohai: php _e <<< that is a wordpress turd that makes it display in multiple languages iirc [21:15]
trinque: yeah but the span doesn't appear either [21:15]
trinque: in teh html sauce [21:15]
asciilifeform: waiwut [21:16]
asciilifeform: <h3 id="respond"><?php _e('Post a Comment', 'veryplaintxt') ?></h3> becomes <h3 id="respond">Post a Comment</h3> [21:17]
asciilifeform: so i dun see the problem ? [21:17]
trinque: if _e were emitting empty string that'd be one thing [21:18]
trinque: but the span around it doesn't show up in the source on the next page after POST [21:18]
trinque: asciilifeform: maybe <pre><?php print_r($comment) ?></pre> in that template somewhere [21:19]
trinque: or whatever it was, it's been a while [21:19]
asciilifeform: trinque: and this will tell me what ? [21:22]
trinque: print_r will dump the contents of that var into the template [21:23]
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi where. [21:26]
asciilifeform: or why i should be spending time emplacing 1,001 printf debuggeries [21:27]
asciilifeform: when this thing apparently WORKS in mircea_popescu's unpublished original. [21:27]
asciilifeform: i confess that i have not found this exercise to be either pleasant, or educational, or productive. [21:28]
asciilifeform: it is about as much fun as reading cobol. [21:28]
trinque: ahaha [21:28]
trinque: there is always "not to be" [21:30]
asciilifeform: phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme. [21:31]
asciilifeform: i - do not. [21:31]
asciilifeform: i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's. [21:34]
asciilifeform: how the fuck do folks put up with a thing with no debugger ? [21:35]
trinque: it's an overgrown templating language that came of needing to turn db queries into html and not much else [21:37]
trinque: written by some guy that needed to make a website one time [21:37]
trinque: even if you had your debugger it wouldn't be meaningfully attached to the browser [21:40]
trinque: sure there's skewer and whatever other *awful* madness I've dipped my dick into now and again [21:40]
asciilifeform: even half a debugger, that meaningfully steps through the process of shitting out the html, would be useful [21:40]
trinque: runs afoul of your "no, whole earth must burn" though [21:41]
asciilifeform: it must. [21:41]
trinque: I agree 100% [21:41]
trinque: and hell, you want a proper blog^H^H^H^H command line interface to a bunch of articles gimmeh teh gossipd [21:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497752 << yeah. you're also infinitely more expensive to support. i'm guessing maybe this is just not for you ? [21:44]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: i - do not. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: no idea how that'd be possibru in computing, but somehow apparently. [21:44]
asciilifeform: it is quite possible, this cobol is ~entirely foreign to me. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: but yes, trinque has it : html crap is by definition undebuggable. [21:44]
asciilifeform: back when i set up original www, i used a heathen shitpress with as much as could be removed. [21:44]
asciilifeform: and the result ~worked. [21:44]
asciilifeform: and left it at that. [21:45]
asciilifeform: this was in 2007. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: well so copy it over or w/e. [21:46]
asciilifeform: i don't want to akismet any moar ! [21:46]
mircea_popescu: ah. well, maybe let it be give it another try once shinohai produced a version. [21:46]
trinque: then bite the dowel and put the print_r in [21:46]
asciilifeform: i'ma install it trb-style [21:46]
asciilifeform: which is to say, once somebody shares a COMPLETE package [21:46]
asciilifeform: without 'now re-invent this wheel i didn't feel like posting' [21:47]
shinohai: TIL php may possibly be asciilifeform 's kryptonite [21:47]
mircea_popescu: ... [21:47]
asciilifeform: shinohai: i always despised wwwtronics and made no secret of it. [21:47]
shinohai: :D [21:48]
trinque: god I think I have surrogate indigestion [21:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, if your original is from 2007, mp-wp should work with your theme out of the box. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: maybe try that. [21:49]
asciilifeform: i specifically wanted a new site, independent of old and producing no down time when tweaked [21:49]
asciilifeform: and i dun like me old theme either [21:50]
asciilifeform: it sux quite mightily, as discussed in original thread [21:50]
asciilifeform: (mutilated images) [21:50]
mircea_popescu: ah. [21:50]
asciilifeform: was trying for clean start here. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: well then find a theme that doesn't suck. [21:50]
asciilifeform: i did ! [21:50]
mircea_popescu: "fails to do what i want with queued comments" = sucks. [21:50]
asciilifeform: and it run work with mp-wp [21:50]
asciilifeform: though it was written for 2.x ! [21:50]
asciilifeform: *dun work [21:50]
mircea_popescu: mno. you found a theme that sucks. find a theme that doesn't suck [21:50]
asciilifeform: where?! [21:51]
mircea_popescu: where "does exactly what i want" = not sucks [21:51]
asciilifeform: i tried dozens [21:51]
mircea_popescu: well that i dunno. [21:51]
asciilifeform: they all suck. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: hm. [21:51]
asciilifeform: so answer seems to be 'write theme' [21:51]
mircea_popescu: this complaint i heard befoar. [21:51]
asciilifeform: which phf is qualified to do, and i am not. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, eventually serenity is gonna produce one i think. [21:51]
asciilifeform: then i will use, and say 'thank you' [21:51]
mircea_popescu: cool. not emergency anyway. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: but odds are you'll say "this doesn't work". [21:52]
asciilifeform: but i'm a bit sad that there is no place to put the submarine pics. [21:52]
asciilifeform: they were spiffy. [21:52]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any web / css / designer people wants to do something useful, an old amiga/dos style theme for the tmsr wp would be apparently mucho appreciated. [21:53]
asciilifeform: muchly so. [21:54]
asciilifeform: or even simply a plain text, minimal bytemass sort of thing. [21:54]
asciilifeform: i dun so much care that it 'looks like commodore64' but it really ought to fit in the address space of one. [21:55]
asciilifeform: simply matter of principle. [21:55]
asciilifeform: 200kB css is loathesome. [21:55]
Joshua-I: Interesting. I'll look at some c64 UIs to get a feel [21:59]
Joshua-I: This is neat: https://wordpress.org/themes/commodore/ [22:05]
Joshua-I: demo: http://unitednetworksonline.com/themes/commodore/ [22:06]
asciilifeform: i had no doubt that this exists. [22:06]
asciilifeform: but i'd rather just have a <64kB thing. [22:06]
asciilifeform: that i could read + understand. [22:06]
Joshua-I: Like css wise right [22:07]
asciilifeform: whole mass minus payload. [22:07]
asciilifeform: and ditto on server side. [22:07]
Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp [22:08]
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: You obviously haven't seen qntra theme [22:38]
Joshua-I: Yeah I did a quick check and the answer is yes [22:38]
Joshua-I: I have seen it just though jquery was built right in there, since I've never seen wp without it [22:39]
Joshua-I: thought* [22:39]
BingoBoingo: And no, qntra theme has not yet been tested with mp-wp. Runs own wp fork. [22:40]
BingoBoingo: Which is still different from thedrinkingrecord.com wp fork. [22:40]
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Kv9GOVZ.png [23:00]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [23:10]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 677.03, vol: 3280.11410402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.208, vol: 5607.44156 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 677.82, vol: 18782.23503567 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 1.12022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.36845, vol: 36156.96860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 679.98, vol: 1004.31958923 | Volume-weighted last average: 679.854440681 [23:11]
Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around [23:17]
BingoBoingo: Prolly best to read the last monthe first and then jump back to 2013 [23:26]
BingoBoingo: Just want the most recent month to put history into context [23:27]
Joshua-I: Hm ok thanks [23:28]
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe start in January 2016 and read to no and then do 2015, 2014, and 2013 [23:30]
BingoBoingo: Lots of ways to break it up. [23:30]
BingoBoingo: But hanbot's 6 month quote was from 3 years ago so I assume best to to just read ONLY six months of logz and be like "I r Bitcoin nao" [23:31]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497830 << make sure you're working off the correct version. [23:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 02:08 Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp [23:35]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497840 << logs stretch out to 2012. at this point prolly best approach is to put word of your interest in search, read the results and the references. [23:37]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 03:17 Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around [23:37]
mircea_popescu: and in udder baltimore news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8231ba173d2c6988fdf7d67788c7cd54/tumblr_nd97jtht0E1tgqup7o1_400.gif [23:40]
Joshua-I: I have some guddens for sure [23:50]
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