Forum logs for 04 Jun 2016
| asciilifeform: | possibly interesting: http://tinycorelinux.net | [07:20] |
| Framedragger: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-jun-2016#2103328 << don't forget that a "full" gpg fingerprint is a shitty 160 bit sha1sum, heh | [07:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 01:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476739 << the aes key used by everybody here when they gpg is precisely 32 bytes long. (not that this is something to be proud of.) | [07:23] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: read the logz, gpg and compatibles are retarded in 101 ways | [07:24] |
| Framedragger: | but folks here still use gpg fingerprints, which is funny | [07:25] |
| Framedragger: | but sure. | [07:25] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: used on account of 0 alternatives solely. | [07:26] |
| Framedragger: | your phuctor uses a different hashing scheme. but i suppose wide deployment would be hard and also ultimately futile, given that i assume folks here haven't planned a bright future for gpg | [07:27] |
| asciilifeform: | gpg is 'healthiest horse at glue factory' | [07:28] |
| Framedragger: | heh. yeah, k. | [07:28] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: phuctor's hash is quite inapplicable anywhere else, because it includes the entire key - names, emails, ~all~ subkeys. | [07:29] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: ah, right subkeys included. fair enough. | [07:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger for rsa yes for gpg ... mno. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ftr, the problem with the sha1sum isn't even that it's 160 bits worse fates could be devised. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem is that it doesn't include the important parts. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512 | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | aes256 is (supposedly) ~2^100 against related key attacks which'd be the better attack known. | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | (also not particularly useful in theory, but then again gpg is a pos.) | [10:47] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476869 << that's what i said: 32 bytes. | [10:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512 | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | a right you are :p | [10:58] |
| deedbot: | [Trilema] Let's do Chinese together. - http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ | [11:56] |
| deedbot: | [Qntra] DoctorClu Gets 8 Years In Prison - http://qntra.net/2016/06/doctorclu-gets-8-years-in-prison/ | [12:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha so i don't fucking get it... they get to keep pretending that tor's not schweizer, and what's the derp get ? | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | google doesn't even register its name | [12:19] |
| BingoBoingo: | for srs | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | someone gotta explain to us tards how commerce works. | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | "you want to keep pretending X ? fine, this means you get to pay through the nose. so your pretense you're a world power costs what, 5 trn a year in subsidies to everyone that can bust your skull open ? fine. this is what, 1/1000 as important, that'd mean you owe me ~5bn to plead out and let you be. how much of that you got in cash ? and by cash we mean bitcoin, of course." | [12:32] |
| asciilifeform: | l0l! from what position this is to be said? from negotiating inside prison ? | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | i can see it from dirigible, firing warning hbomb shots across potomac river. but from captive derp ? | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0c1d836b-571c-4831-88b5-9ba375ee662f << you've got br04dc457!111111 | [12:48] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ty. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | an' what's position to do with anything. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3774c475-7c9f-448a-b8dc-5df5e83ba5bc/?raw=true | [13:46] |
| deedbot: | [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2016-statement/ | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: got it. | [14:05] |
| danielpbarron: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476630 << done | [14:13] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-03 22:06 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: speaking of your twatskillz, mind dropping @jackbaruth my response to http://archive.is/iBQow ? >> http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/02/fellow-astronauts-sure-fellow-american-proles-hmm/ | [14:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | nifty asciilifeform | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ? | [14:44] |
| gribble: | The operation succeeded. | [14:44] |
| mod6: | what stator script? | [15:32] |
| mod6: | if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix. thanks for letting us know. | [15:33] |
| shinohai: | wb mod6 didja have fun? | [15:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | tickr --market all | [16:09] |
| gribble: | Error: "tickr" is not a valid command. | [16:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | ticker --market all | [16:09] |
| gribble: | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 570.0, vol: 6696.80983886 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 562.49, vol: 6475.85915 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 571.54, vol: 44728.67004068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 15.25213674 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.573683, vol: 52732.18070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 571.109, vol: 2757.10789344 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.795851685 | [16:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | Oh, and now China's side of the spread won | [16:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | neat little distro asciilifeform | [16:18] |
| mod6: | shinohai: aye. | [16:19] |
| deedbot: | [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu> Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC | [17:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | Redditors make a serious career decision "Keep delivering pizzas or move over to Chinese food? (self.TalesFromThePizzaGuy)" https://archive.is/IXwLT | [17:25] |
| shinohai: | ^ lawl | [17:27] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << new batch, + nonmirrored. | [17:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 21:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu> Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476894 << heh. | [17:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ? | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey asciilifeform you around ? | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: back now. | [20:17] |
| asciilifeform: | was in town. | [20:17] |
| asciilifeform: | from the l0ltr0nz, https://news.vice.com/article/edward-snowden-leaks-tried-to-tell-nsa-about-surveillance-concerns-exclusive | [20:26] |
| asciilifeform: | 'What's remarkable about this FOIA release, however, is that the NSA has admitted that it altered emails related to its discussions about Snowden.' | [20:28] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty lulzy, | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 'On April 11, Vanity Fair released its story. That afternoon, Ledgett sent an email to Teresa Shea, the director of signals intelligence — or SIGINT, which is responsible for decoding electronic communications — and a number of officials whose names were redacted. (Later that year, Shea left the NSA after BuzzFeed reported that she and her husband ran a SIGINT "contracting and consulting" business out of their house in what appea | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | red to be a conflict of interest with her official NSA duties.) The email, with the subject line, "Vanity Fair Article With Fugitive – May Cause Additional Work," said "the much anticipated Vanity Fair article with the fugitive is out.... Probably the most concerning issue in the article is the fugitives [sic] assertion that he raised complaints with NSA lawyers and oversight and compliance personnel."' | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << this one, like the last 4, fails checksum... | [20:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 21:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu> Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | oooooooook this gets interesting: | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEC10B5DDCC3DF9891ED3E5ED9C69015202B07F218F4403DA0DBE64BE8558645 is the unrotted version of http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | i tracked it down manually. | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | a 0xb6 in the middle of the primary modulus became a 0xb4. no other changes. | [20:46] |
| asciilifeform: | this and the couple of similar cases could even be genuine bitrot... | [20:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^ | [20:49] |
| asciilifeform: | https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=cawest1221%40gmail.com << where found. | [20:50] |
| asciilifeform: | in case there are arithmetic-challenged folks reading, this is a 1 bit flip. | [20:52] |
| asciilifeform: | the funny part is that i'd bet real money that there are pgptrons that will happily eat and encipher to this key. | [20:52] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476897 << mod6 i was talking about the stator.sh in the tarball distributed on therealbitcoin.org. but more generally speaking we should NOT be linking to openssl.org or other heathens! the tarballs are not so big, they ought to be on trb site. | [20:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 19:33 mod6: if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix. thanks for letting us know. | [20:56] |
| mod6: | yep | [20:57] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> ^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^ << weird | [20:57] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: these cases are thus far the only ones that even theoretically fit the description of 'really hot&bothered photon' | [20:59] |
| asciilifeform: | and would appear to prove that anybody can upload whatever the fuck rubbish to sks and it will propagate. | [20:59] |
| asciilifeform: | no need for it to even follow the format. | [20:59] |
| mod6: | smh | [21:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ? | [21:01] |
| mod6: | im saying, "what a pile of shit". burn it all. | [21:02] |
| asciilifeform: | newz at 11. | [21:02] |
| mod6: | :] | [21:02] |
| asciilifeform: | phriendz don't let phriendz install non-ecc dram. | [21:02] |
| asciilifeform: | (or gossipate mutated turds.) | [21:03] |
| asciilifeform: | (gossipate - to dissipate via a gossip system - is now hereby a term.) | [21:03] |
| mod6: | so ordered | [21:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [21:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform so i was gonna ask you, you say books got ruined by any schmuck being able to print one ? | [21:17] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: not by the laser-print-on-demand thing as such. | [21:17] |
| asciilifeform: | sorta like asking when titanic sank - when the hole was punched, when deck awash, when entirely invisible ? | [21:17] |
| asciilifeform: | and yes i am aware that crackpots were able to have books printed at own expense 200 years ago. | [21:18] |
| asciilifeform: | but they did not have distribution system equal to actual authors'. | [21:18] |
| asciilifeform: | and i suspect that mircea_popescu will now tell me that 'any idiot can print and sell on amazon' is merely an opportunistic fungal infection. and he is probably right. | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | would you say random wage slave with a kid in tow and a vague interest in maybe spending a week on "writing a book" is watering down "neoreaction" or whatever the fuck you'd call the line of "being an internet tough guy in the style of curtis yarvin" ? | [21:19] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: only to the extent such a thing will ding the snr of those folk | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | have you noticed this, by the way ? apparently, that's a line and apparently it'll get filled apparently by substantially the same guy. | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | there IS NO SNR of those folk. | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're people who like to jack off. | [21:20] |
| asciilifeform: | ever been to or seen photo of old-school sewage catacomb ? | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [21:21] |
| asciilifeform: | even there, there are lines where you have 2m of air and shit to yer knee, but in some you have 2m of shit | [21:21] |
| asciilifeform: | and lucky if 1m of air. | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | so far we've not agreed this is part of any sort of catacomb. | [21:21] |
| asciilifeform: | i find it to be such a thing. e.g., spandrel from earlier thread, is quite readable. | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | you like to act as if "books" are the same thing they aren't mostly because you like to think "people reading books" are the same thing. they also aren't. and sure as fuck "internet agreement clubs" aren't political instruments. | [21:22] |
| asciilifeform: | and i personally gained much from (early) mr mold. | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | quantify this much. | [21:22] |
| asciilifeform: | they didn't turn into 'agreement club' until much later. | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | "i became more able to continue as an automaton in the fiat order" | [21:22] |
| asciilifeform: | waiwat | [21:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know even basic compiler puts a fucking ^ at the specific point where it lost it ? what am i going to do with "waitwut" ? | [21:23] |
| asciilifeform: | mr mold was a hilarious source of trivia re 100 yrs of usg rot. e.g., how kgb owned state dept., how prestige farming works in detail, etc. none of it original to him, he simply dug up the primary sources, best as he could. hence his nick. | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | so a sort of librarian for a special interest ? | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | this makes sense. | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | 'mold bug' is actual engl. expression for this. | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | makes a lot of sense. | [21:25] |
| asciilifeform: | he excavated a great boatload of lulz re u.s. civil war and subsequent smoke, likewise. | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc this was his original interest. | [21:26] |
| asciilifeform: | he was also my introduction to the mechanics of fiatola. | [21:27] |
| asciilifeform: | before there was bitcoin. | [21:27] |
| asciilifeform: | very much helped in my head to set the permanent bozo bit on so-called 'civilized society.' | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you don't believe the situation where a man who is not in point of fact qualified to discuss these matters nevertheless discusses them actually "dillutes the internet". | [21:28] |
| asciilifeform: | is dung beetle qualified to describe chemistry of puterfaction ? | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | specifically because while it won't be fundamentally correct, it'll still be interesting, and different interests are for different people. | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, then by this same token you should believe "anyone can publish" improved books. | [21:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 'anyone' l0l | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ? | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | look at these people. what fucking right do they have to discuss "society" ? | [21:29] |
| asciilifeform: | not anyone. and not any bookz. | [21:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're fucking poor, for one thing. dependents to the hilt. what. | [21:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mr mold was at his best when his articles were 90+% quotation. | [21:29] |
| asciilifeform: | and links to original txt. | [21:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | if yarvin/spandrell/etc qualify to discuss society then literally ex boxers are qualified to pen books. | [21:30] |
| asciilifeform: | spandrell, notice, likewise : | [21:30] |
| asciilifeform: | is a TRANSLATOR | [21:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so what if he does ? he ~is~ not blueblooded. | [21:30] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly not world's best, but is the one willing to tell me about the emperor's bow etc. | [21:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you mind discussing what we're discussing rather than what you're discussing ? | [21:31] |
| asciilifeform: | it is pertinent | [21:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | how ? | [21:31] |
| asciilifeform: | they dun need to be 'blue blood' or whatever, because they are bringing to me pieces from archaeological dig | [21:31] |
| asciilifeform: | can be mules, for all i care. | [21:31] |
| asciilifeform: | or truffle pig, if you prefer. | [21:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're plaintext pieces. | [21:32] |
| asciilifeform: | that i would not otherwise encounter. | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | how is this supposed to work, "waiter can be as dirty as he pleases, not like he's the cook" ? | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | what YOU would do dun matter one wit. | [21:32] |
| asciilifeform: | in so much as q concerned my appetites, it did. | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | the fact remains random married derp who has to earn his daily bread has no right and no qualification to criticise society. | [21:33] |
| asciilifeform: | and he has no dirigible! the nerve! | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooner or later it'll come back to "oh, you don't seriously mean to kill my children!111" | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ? | [21:33] |
| asciilifeform: | i know nothing of spandrell's doom - perhaps he is raising his children in a madrassa, where they have perfect marks in shaheed belt preparation. | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | and will meet 777 virgins at 17. | [21:34] |
| asciilifeform: | and perhaps not. | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down. | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | there isn't a way inside here, is there ? | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun see this dichotomy. | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform this "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" does not excuse any dogs. | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | it excuses dog who gets results. | [21:36] |
| asciilifeform: | and no others. | [21:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | does not, no. | [21:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | "my gpg works" does not excuse gpg. | [21:36] |
| asciilifeform: | fact is, until i learn cn myself, spandrell's me man for cn. | [21:36] |
| asciilifeform: | until mircea_popescu learns it and replaces him. etc | [21:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, and until i learn stupid myself, dickens' my man for stupid. | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform: | 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' -- my grandfather | [21:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then therefore we agree that more books being published is the best thing that ever happened for the book. | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform: | nope. | [21:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | it also killed it, but that's just a bad coincidence. | [21:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, you can't special plead. you gotta argue to mechanism. | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform: | talented truffle pig != rando shit vulture. | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform: | mechanism is that he finds the trufflez. | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform: | what other do i need ? | [21:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so far this difference is entirely in eye of youholder. | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform: | it is, and it would appear that we are beholding somewhat different inputs ? | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform: | did mircea_popescu's intel inform him that spandrell's translations are in fact no translations at all and he pulled it all from his thumb ? or what. | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if it's all in eye of beholder, then books ~can't be ruined~. | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz it's not about what they are. | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform: | books can be buried. | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform: | and have been. | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform: | hence why i pinch my nose and hear out the scavengers. | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | and what, blog articles can't ? | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol, we've seen it done. | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform: | sure! | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform: | anything can be. | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then how did this become some sort of argument. | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | which this | [21:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | "x can be burried" "so can y" "anything can be" "Then why bring it up" | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform: | detail re books is that at one point there was a certain 'proof of work' implicit in getting the thing on the market. | [21:41] |
| asciilifeform: | whereas now there is ~not. | [21:41] |
| asciilifeform: | and it is approx. like the situation of blog. | [21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see not the difference. before, you had to get permission from authority to publish then, you had to get enough money / promise of sales together finally, you had to have a "following". | [21:41] |
| asciilifeform: | 'proof of work' did not prevent snow jobs (consider steven j gould's snow job targeted at 'bell curve', say, or 1,001 other examples) | [21:42] |
| asciilifeform: | but it was EXPENSIVE | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems scarcely any difference. the pow such as it was, always was some social capital, and not much at that. | [21:42] |
| asciilifeform: | and required dedicated, usually known, fella with axe to grind | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | neither's true, no. | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's approach this from a different angle. | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | hanno bock did his thing for the cost of a glass of schnapps or whatever. whereas in, say, 100 yrs ago, he and i would both have to pay for typesetting etc. | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | to any human activity that's fragmentary and incomplete (such as writing, whatever the form), two fundamental approaches may be applied. | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | the idiotic one, and also the historical loser, is to reject anything imperfect, and hold out. | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | the smart one, and also the historical winner, is to accept anything not-entirely-shitty, and let it sort itself. | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, as per the former, you'd have to forbid anyone from writing anything about "neoreaction" because i dunno, they're clouding out the true truth as found on your blog. | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | historically, they tried to control commentary on the bible, for it distracted from bible study. | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as per the latter... just fucking write, who cares. | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can't well mix these. | [21:45] |
| asciilifeform: | i'm with the latter. but also observed that 'resistance of the medium' is a thing, and that if cranking out crapolade costs 0, then the most prolix idiot is winner. | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | is he ? | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | and will eventually bury the universe in shit. | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno man, always takes more to write than it takes to not read. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | consider something as well-known as the death of email. | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just used it. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: shannonizers. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu does not use email, he uses whitelistmail. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | whereas once there was such a thing as email. | [21:47] |
| asciilifeform: | you can choose to call whitemail 'email', aesthetic preference i guess, but it is NOT same. | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do not believe i ever found myself in this "email" situation. not ever. trilema comments have been a shocking exception, but otherwise | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | a) i never participated in groups where open address was the norm and b) you'd have to go through filters to get to me. | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i did, at various times, as a very heavy cost of this 'earning bread' thing. | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | in my, as mircea_popescu called it, 'countereconomic rathole' | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems more a mark of poverty than anything really. | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform: | noshit.jpg | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then what "death of email". like "Death of lice", oh honey, what ever happened to all the lice. | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | "we moved up in the world." | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | nope. death of fuck-strangers-but-no-syphilis. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a thing. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | (was a thing.) | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | dun think so. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | there was a time when derps and derpfarmers were not given net pipes. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform: | had to pollute the backs of newspapers instead. | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're not really given netpipes now, either. gotta pollute windows and forums and whatnot. | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | and the ruins of email. | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | i have a box that gets 400+ pieces of shit every day. | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | i clean it manually. | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | because cannot afford 1 false positive. | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds like a stupid set-up. | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | noshit? | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | but what is alternative ? | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | same thing qntra does. | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | which is ? | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | or phuctor. link to here. | [21:52] |
| asciilifeform: | l0l aaaaaahaha suuuuure. | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | what are you, a 17yo ? | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a bloody fiat co. | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | tough ? | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | "you want to get through, this is how you get through. you don't want to get through, here's an unsupervised mailbox" | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu has NEVER been in a weak negotiating position in his whole life, has he. | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | how would i be ? | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is like "mp has never been married". you gotta CONSENT to be married! | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | exact mirror of the "what's derp to do" from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476883 | [21:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-04 16:33 asciilifeform: i can see it from dirigible, firing warning hbomb shots across potomac river. but from captive derp ? | [21:55] |
| asciilifeform: | say his psi superpowers quit. | [21:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | what ever happened to "you want it signed, 5bn goes there. else take a hike" | [21:55] |
| asciilifeform: | and fill stomach with what ? | [21:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | people have died before. | [21:55] |
| asciilifeform: | 'no mr bond! we expect you to die!1111' | [21:56] |
| asciilifeform: | (tm) (r) | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | civilised, eh ? | [21:56] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. he had asked 'whaddayaexpectmetodo' | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | "everything i do is me being in a '''weak''' negotiating position. it's my sexual fantasy." | [21:56] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu did not grow up as the monkey in the puzzle and beating experiment. which is all very good for him. | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | what you call "a weak negotiating position" i call being a woman. you're supposed to take it up the ass that's the design. | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | whenever you get bored of that design... stop. | [21:57] |
| asciilifeform: | once upon a time, mircea_popescu met a cabbie and gave him a broomstick. but original legend did not tell us that he also gave him a 1941 nagan, complete with 'tula' and red star, loaded with 1 round, and the learned man said to the cabbie, 'when you get bored of sitting on the broomstick, here - you can stop' | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | can one even kill himself with a nagant ? ain't it too long ? | [22:01] |
| asciilifeform: | http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/005932/5932881.jpg | [22:01] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu was prolly thinking of a mosin. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [22:02] |
| asciilifeform: | (same frenchman involved in both) | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | the irony of all time being that all these schmucks running around enacting this damsel in distress fantasy "oh noes i'm in a WEAK NEGOTIATING POSITION" are all working class stiffs with absolutely nothing to look for anyway, and that in the best case. | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, i gotta take college debt on, i'm in a weak negotiating position. otherwise i don't get to my bright fucking future". | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's never you know, i'm the lord of aquitanie, here lost in fucking coventry and i want to go back home. | [22:05] |
| asciilifeform: | this is funny today, because there is no 'bright fyoootoor of communism' and it is obvious to a sea slug | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, it's alweays "if i do really well maybe I WILL BE". you'll be what, exactly. | [22:05] |
| asciilifeform: | but was it funny in 1990 ? | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | next battle's "weak negotiating position" | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform it was funny in 1990. | [22:05] |
| * mircea_popescu | has said the same thing in many languages to date. | [22:05] |
| asciilifeform: | let's revisit spandrell's mandarins. you could take mandarin exam, or sell salt on the black market and be 13333333337 w4rl0rd | [22:06] |
| asciilifeform: | the war genius already knows who he is. | [22:07] |
| asciilifeform: | because he had folks bowing to him when he was 3 or whatnot. | [22:07] |
| asciilifeform: | so if that ain't you, young cn fella with aspirations, study the bloody poems and deposit balls in this here jar. | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [22:08] |
| asciilifeform: | is there a 3rd jar i'm missing ? | [22:08] |
| asciilifeform: | (then or now) | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | why the fuck would a man chose to live as a woman over dying as a man. | [22:08] |
| asciilifeform: | sloth? | [22:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a very fucking good reason she changes her name and wears her hair as long as captor ordains. it's the fucking design, she gets captured and re-socialized in captor's castle. | [22:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | sloth huh ? | [22:09] |
| asciilifeform: | and at any rate mircea_popescu should thank beelzebub for this, because otherwise he'd be buried under pile of corpses. | [22:11] |
| asciilifeform: | imho most folks if they were thinking straight would have eaten nagan long ago. | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't say i particularly care either way. | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | but now i finally understand why i'm mostly uninterested in having any truck with males. | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | what males. | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought they still had some in afghan or wherever. | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | without letters of introduction from known source... best stick with skirts. | [22:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is what stuff like bar mitzvah etc was supposed to be in the first place. | [22:13] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought it was as proof of min iq for marriagebility | [22:15] |
| asciilifeform: | (bloke had to read wordz) | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [22:16] |
| asciilifeform: | y'know - from the sheepskin. | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, as ritual. but as meaning, it's a sort of "men of community vouch for this young shit" | [22:16] |
| asciilifeform: | in front of the wot^H^H^Hshtetl | [22:16] |
| asciilifeform: | aha. | [22:17] |
| asciilifeform: | but vouched conditionally, had to jump through the burning ring | [22:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | which come to think about... i dunno where they find these. i knew maybe half dozen 13yo i'd have vouched for, and that's already pushing it. | [22:17] |
| asciilifeform: | because it was pretty low bar. | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | where do they find dudes to vouch for everything that ever crawls out from between a woman's legs is the mystery of all time. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | 'right half of bell curve' or the like. | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | mno, gotta be a man. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | man who can read. | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~= "no weak negotiating positioning" | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | what negotiating. father was a peddler, son - peddler. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | negotiates - with customers strictly. | [22:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's nothing in there against being a peddler. | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | no? isn't it 'womanly cowardice', earning motherfucking bread, doing a job ? | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | instead of being, e.g., highwayman. | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | one doesn't have to be a highwayman anymore than anything else. what, you gotta be a highwayman now ? | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | i read a very distinct 'yarrrrrrrrrrrr i'ma a pirate and yer all landlubbin' scum' in mircea_popescu's earlier observations re 'negotiating position' and 'why not try not eating' | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | the peddler is perfectly respectable. | [22:21] |
| asciilifeform: | why peddler respectable, but programmer - not ? | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | peddler peddles on his own time. | [22:21] |
| asciilifeform: | what's the operative, as mircea_popescu would ask, difference ? | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | liberal profession, just like any other. | [22:22] |
| asciilifeform: | and then he is taken by the turks and is on a galley. | [22:22] |
| asciilifeform: | can row or die. | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | better kill some turks i guess. | [22:22] |
| asciilifeform: | with his psi powers ? | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | nobody cares. | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | finally we get to the magic algo, no ? | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno ? do we ? | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | a victorious mircea_popescu is made up of 10,001 young corpses where they went to the galleys and nobody cares. | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | this is not my invention, it is how nature works. | [22:23] |
| asciilifeform: | and is fine. | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the relation ? | [22:24] |
| asciilifeform: | but for the remaining standing one to refer to it as an algo that can be picked up and used by somebody, is rather odd. | [22:24] |
| asciilifeform: | the relation is that we just re-did the everett's device thread. | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're so narrowly welded to this "i will improve my lot" us quakerism. what algo. | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | there isn't an algo. not something to use, or w/e. the results aren't within your hands. | [22:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu proffers the nagan, newz at 11 | [22:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | you do what you do. what comes of it, nobody cares. ideally least of all you. once you start caring, you start losing. | [22:25] |
| asciilifeform: | standard soldierly advice. but it also goes with 'trust allah but tie camel.' | [22:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's this moment of manhood for homer simpson when marge bakes a pie and he says "i'm just going to chew this way, no pies better be getting in my way". | [22:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's what it is, what. | [22:26] |
| asciilifeform: | so the only true hero is solipsist, who chews in wholly uncorrelated direction with anybody else's ? | [22:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only true hero is solipsist. that much is sterling. | [22:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | also why correlation is such an iffy business. | [22:28] |
| asciilifeform: | sorta goes with the eastern thing where 'tru guru!111 would never stoop to speaking with unclean derpz' | [22:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 'lives in cave, on mountain air alone' | [22:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the world's in general an imposition. | [22:29] |
| asciilifeform: | the greatz understood this. | [22:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda why the whole "materialism", be it whichever socialist flavour is so lulzy. dude, srsly, "you've solved the problems of people" ? gee whiz, i wonder why they can't be arsed to pick up your calls. | [22:31] |
| asciilifeform: | even orwell had this nailed. | [22:34] |
| asciilifeform: | '[Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows | [22:35] |
| asciilifeform: | that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a | [22:35] |
| asciilifeform: | result a whole nation flings itself at his feet' | [22:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme ask you this. suppose for whatever reason tomorrow you gotta make a choice say of employer. | [22:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, if you pick employer A, you do reversing, and will be killed in a car crash next week. | [22:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | however, if you pick employer B, you do cooking, and will be killed in a kitchen fire next month. | [22:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | does it EVEN MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE what comes after "and will" ? | [22:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | who the fuck gives a shit. | [22:36] |
| asciilifeform: | can i pick sitting on my arse and smelling ze flowers and dying of hunger in ~2~ month ? | [22:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [22:37] |
| asciilifeform: | why the fuck not. | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | because you think you must have an employer. | [22:37] |
| asciilifeform: | btw it'd be spiffy if shit jobs came with build-in 'you will last THIS long' like butugychag did. | [22:37] |
| asciilifeform: | *built-in | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you're going to change careers for the extra weeks then ? | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | (this, incidentally, is why it's so hard to get men to stop smoking. women - easy enough, show them sufficient pictures of children fucked by alligators or whatnot. men... dun care.) | [22:38] |
| asciilifeform: | this example makes 0 sense tho. if i know that martians will devour me in 1 week, i sure as fuck wouldn't work | [22:38] |
| asciilifeform: | this is sorta how 'retirement' used to work | [22:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [22:39] |
| asciilifeform: | folks would quit and run on batteries with the understanding that grim reaper would come before dough runs out | [22:39] |
| asciilifeform: | unrelatedly, mircea_popescu has any observation re bitrot earlier ? | [22:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was. | [22:50] |
| BingoBoingo: | Question of the day is was the flipped bit a blink or a pause in the fiber | [23:23] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477239 << seems like they do 0 test at all | [23:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-05 02:49 mircea_popescu: nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too | [23:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477240 << observe, original was still there | [23:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-06-05 02:50 mircea_popescu: the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was. | [23:38] |
| asciilifeform: | mutant simply registered as 'yet another key for this name'. | [23:38] |
| asciilifeform: | try flipping some other bit and uploading. (anybody bored?) | [23:39] |
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