Forum logs for 04 Apr 2018
| mircea_popescu: | "password length can not exceed 12 characters". teh webfolk clearly doing it rite. | [00:27] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2018 Statement | [00:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform ^ lemme know if i left anything out. | [00:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other world wide webs, "* Topic for #gaygeeks is: Welcome to #gaygeeks, a PG-rated social channel for geeky LGBT people and friends." | [00:35] |
| douchebag: | I just jacked one of T-Mobiles sub domains | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [00:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3k2jxWkAAFhx9.jpg << hacks. HACKS, you understand. because "women in tech" => "fucking around with your phone on facebook is now hacking". | [00:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | and oh look, anil dash still exists. in fact, the whole twitter "tech" poser scene is still there! amazing. | [00:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, /me joins #lesswrong. there's a "* Loaded log from Sat Sep 20 11:53:02 2014" then /me joins #startups. there's a "Loaded log from Sat Sep 20 11:52:17 2014". apparently... i did this once before ? | [00:49] |
| lobbes: | not sure if pete_dushenski is ever coming around again or what, so I went ahead and created a page for the tsmr bot directory: http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html | [01:42] |
| lobbes: | I purposely decided not to curate the actual commands. I figure that is best left to the operator to maintain | [01:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean curate ? | [01:45] |
| lobbes: | like "x bot has added n commands, plox to update directory" | [01:45] |
| lobbes: | as it stood, my own bot's commands on the old directory weren't even represented accurately. plus the spec does specify each bot should have a "help" command listing all other commands | [01:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah so basically you didn't ~include~ the command list. | [01:49] |
| lobbes: | yeah, sorry, I was kinda unclear just lists the bot name, operator, and call command | [01:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [01:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand closing channels. #lesswrong is spectacularily retarded. i mean wikitardia levels of inane wank. #clojure and #bash are mostly dead, 99% join/part and the rest hi guise, i got a dumb question. startup and gaygeeks are dead. | [02:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect the internet was actually LARGER in 1988. | [02:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | shrunk like 60% in 30 years. | [02:56] |
| trinque: | !!v 6436E4C2DF0E7C877AC3A106A02C8A85D1E400F8C36F42025D4986BA5F02D825 | [10:00] |
| deedbot: | Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.21483957 << server purchase | [10:00] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/04/second-chinese-tariff-announcement-this-week-hits-us-soybeans-with-25-levy/ << Qntra - Second Chinese Tariff Announcement This Week Hits US Soybeans With 25% Levy | [11:04] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/04/workplace-violence-hits-youtube-disgruntled-content-creator-shoots-coworkers-and-kills-self/ << Qntra - Workplace Violence Hits Youtube: Disgruntled Content Creator Shoots Coworkers And Kills Self | [11:32] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/04/usg-alleges-rogue-cellular-site-simulators-in-capitol-region/ << Qntra - USG Alleges "Rogue" Cellular Site Simulators In Capitol Region | [12:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://www.rt.com/sport/423161-commonwealth-games-england-african-country/ << "Commonwealth Games organizers have confused England with the African Republic of The Gambia in the event’s official program, which contains information about the 71 nations participating." | [13:48] |
| lobbes: | Lol. Rest of the world catching up to Qntra's accurate classifications of various Anglotardistans | [13:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | Gotta start somewhere. | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in other http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2018#2416991 : cat trilema.com.txt | grep "/2009/banii-oamenii-si-valorile-liberale/" | grep "leusercontent" > http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/foK6J/?raw=true | [15:46] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-03 17:26 asciilifeform: y'know it's still 'read' if you put it through meatgrinder | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2.7k lines between 8 and 10 this am, that's like... more interest in the ro language than the romanian government ever managed to generate in the entire history of a romanian government, spanning 1866-2018 | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in local news bulletin : took slut out shopping yest, bought her a mostly see through and very ass-flattering dress at a shop which identifies itself as : "Punt. San Jose, centro al frente de la puerta principal del Colegio de Senoritas." | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | punt indeed. punters beware. | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai mircea_popescu ! | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-04#1792901 << loox proper | [15:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-04 04:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ lemme know if i left anything out. | [15:51] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/moron/ << Trilema - Moron | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola! | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile on the chinesium front, asciilifeform was pretty close to throwing out the 'rockchip' this morn., when saw that every few hrs it read-retries the sd flash. but apparently harmless eggog: comes from certain sad levelling firmwares , they cannot keep up with the host | [15:52] |
| asciilifeform: | but aside from this, 'throw out, or buy five more?', i have a self-rebuilding gentoo, and theoretically recent 'uboot' gives a blobless boot and ergo 100% blobless machine that actually fucking builds own kernel and gcc and etc etc | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahhh | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | to quote from the everlogs, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789029 | [15:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-23 04:14 douchebag: Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done? | [15:54] |
| asciilifeform: | bahahaha | [15:54] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-04#1792907 << >> http://trilema.com/2014/the-irc-world-is-a-big-but-very-flat-place | [15:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-04 04:49 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, /me joins #lesswrong. there's a "* Loaded log from Sat Sep 20 11:53:02 2014" then /me joins #startups. there's a "Loaded log from Sat Sep 20 11:52:17 2014". apparently... i did this once before ? | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | a yeah! | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... nothing changed in four years. | [15:54] |
| asciilifeform: | was it ~100% join/partolade by volume? | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | to be specific : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rnjFD/?raw=true | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform no, the moneyshot is, "I'm going to need a source on that. the doctor dude seems to know what he's doing. also the ballistic gelatin is kinda hard to argue against" | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | 'navigating-and-or-avoiding-the-inpatient-mental-health-system' << already 'winning' in chan subjline ! | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | the gist of the argument is, them : wank wank wank me : your wank is only meaningful self-referentially them : you are wrong because self-reference. | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | this is livelier than asciilifeform expected | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess. fucktards dun know how to separate eggs. pro tip : TAKE IT IN YOUR HAND. omfg, basic slavegirl kitchen training. | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, small arms wank! where are the planet-eaters, the solar shade weapon specialists, the immortality pills?!11 | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | where did they hide the trooo lesswrongists. | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | se ? | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | see* ? | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly the truly prolific crackpots began to have problem navigating-and-or-avoiding-the-inpatient-mental-health-system(tm)(r) and left these... | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | either that or the ever growing self-absorption of esl speakers has... well.. absorbed. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, that "'navigating-and-or-avoiding-the-inpatient-mental-health-system" is about as fucking terrible as haskellists code. | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's fundamentally wrong, ideologically offensive, practically useless at best and counterproductive in general, deeply myopic, utterly nonsensical and the list could go on. holy shit why even bother exist if you're going to be the guy that spewed it. | [16:29] |
| * asciilifeform | confesses : did not read | [16:29] |
| * asciilifeform | reports, however, that the archaetypical emerge -av --update --deep @world on chinesiumtron , to the tune of 117 various packages, took ~4hr. which is, lulzily, approx the same as on my workstations | [16:31] |
| asciilifeform: | with -j5 in make.conf (i.e. 100% cpu utilization) but heatsink not even warm | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | note, this beast has a video jack, could in principle be used as gentooistic workstation. | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | ... thing built with my USE flags, incl. ban on gcc >=5 ( i used a stage3 tarball from 2016 deliberately , but with current-day portage snapshot ) -- no serious barf | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | notbad | [17:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-4#325784 << wow this is a veritable 4000-class locomotive | [17:14] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2018-04-04 20:20 mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally wrong, ideologically offensive, practically useless at best and counterproductive in general, deeply myopic, utterly nonsensical and the list could go on. holy shit why even bother exist if you're going to be the guy that spewed it. | [17:14] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up BigTexasBingo | [18:08] |
| deedbot: | BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:08] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Network connectivity at the Cowork is down for predictably latino reasons. | [18:09] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Here to actively listen. | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes ikr | [18:17] |
| BigTexasBingo: | And eat pizza con morons | [18:19] |
| BigTexasBingo: | *morones | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, since we're reading "slate star codex", ie scott alexander's blog (the pantsuit-annointed official tlp replacement so tlp never actually happened), let's lul together : https://archive.is/Yyblu#selection-1259.852-1259.1460 | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | "So Peterson wants to ensure we dont get to the point where thats the only choice left he advises his acolytes not to destroy society (which leads to the chaos/authoritarian dilemma), but to recognize that theyre going to choose to follow some order of some kind, and that they should therefore intentionally follow even a flawed societal order, because its better than gas chambers and ethnic cleansing. The reality | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | that bad things happen to good people shouldnt persuade them to tear down society and try starting all over again, because that leads to the chaos/tyrant choice, and we cant go there." | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, "we [the fried chicken niggers] don't want to go there". ofcourseyoudon't. | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | whole pile is actually a lot of wank in the general vein of, "r jwz, how to survive the coming of mp" | [18:47] |
| douchebag: | Well they already patched my Subdomain Takeover vuln | [18:49] |
| douchebag: | 15 minutes for $1,000 rewards - pretty decent imo | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag did you manage to do anything fun with it in the interim ? | [18:49] |
| douchebag: | I found out that cookies were being scoped from parent domain to subdomains | [18:49] |
| douchebag: | so technically, 1 link click on a legit domain = account pwned | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | not bad. | [18:50] |
| douchebag: | Yeah, this is the main reason I focus on web application stuff | [18:52] |
| douchebag: | People fuck up, and I'm really good and pointing out those fuck ups | [18:52] |
| douchebag: | and chaining multiple fuck ups together to make a super serious fuck up | [18:53] |
| douchebag: | I think most web application developers have the mental capacity of a monkey with autism | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | everyone involved in "technology", especially if the only language they speak is english and even more especially if their general philosophy is in the "I think medical science is still pretty healthy, and that the consensus of doctors and researchers is more-or-less right on most controversial medical issues." vein of above-illustrated jwzism are strictly speaking subhuman, and a great and needless burden to the planet. | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's what you get for "getting more people involved" in things. | [18:55] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: To be honest with you, I got into web application hacking just to pwn websites of nerds for lulz | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i imagined. | [18:55] |
| douchebag: | and eventually I got good enough where I could pop boxes of multi-billion dollar organizations | [18:56] |
| douchebag: | and they pay me for it | [18:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | why do they pay you ? | [18:56] |
| douchebag: | Because they would rather pay me $2k to tell them how I could have dumped their database | [18:57] |
| douchebag: | than for their database to be dumped and lose a shit ton of money & bad press coverage | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so they "pay" you in the sense of giving you nothing as far as they concerned to get in exchange the very valuable (as far as they're concerned) option to continue exactly as before ? | [18:58] |
| douchebag: | Eh | [18:58] |
| douchebag: | For me I am making alright money for the position I am in | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | now you understand how their shit got written. | [18:58] |
| douchebag: | It's a lot easier for me to get paid directly by them | [18:59] |
| douchebag: | than to go the blackhat route | [18:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes dude. the failure of postmodern "democracy" is built out of the mass involvement of idiots who have no business outside of chained-in-dungeon, coupled with weak non-payments to pacify the elite and the self-seeking, comfort driven behaviours of everyone. | [19:00] |
| douchebag: | I don't really like dealing with the blackhat crowd either | [19:00] |
| douchebag: | A lot of them are incredibly stupid | [19:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course not. | [19:00] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: BigTexasBingo is asking me in pm for an up | [19:01] |
| douchebag: | idk this person | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up BigTexasBingo | [19:01] |
| deedbot: | BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:01] |
| BigTexasBingo: | I don't have civilized desk internet at the moment. Douchebag the goldmine is in burning the god damned colored hats. | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag anyway, i'm not saying the options you're taking aren't on the table. they are. i am however saying that the table won't last which of course is about as interesting in the direct as telling a brontosaurus happily chewing on a fern that a meteoir's coming. "so... what does this mean ~TO ME~, should i switch to chewing palms ?" | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | meteors mean nothing to dinosaurs. | [19:02] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Also in weev land https://dailystormer.name/we-won-but-you-still-need-to-call-the-white-house-today/ can you do it? | [19:03] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's just a hobby man | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as the elite increasingly opts out of supporting the "shiny happy faces of drooling imbeciles" modern of postmodern democracy, the thing will fall. it can't support itself, the only way it can live is for as long as you're willing to take $1k in lieu of "tell you what, I OWN tmobile now, you can all go home / hit the unemployment lines" | [19:04] |
| douchebag: | Hacking stuff is a form of entertainment for me | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey. ruining the possibility of pantsuit continuance is entertainment to me. | [19:04] |
| douchebag: | I don't play videogames, hacking stuff is much more entertaining than that | [19:04] |
| douchebag: | and I sure as fuck don't get paid to play video games | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | you could, if you were a "tester". or an "influencer". or whatever. | [19:05] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Douchebag have you tried slaying Incas... In bed | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ammounts of money involved in all this are so trivial as to not meet the bar for being called money. | [19:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | so let me get this straight BigTexasBingo the daily derper can't rely on its people to catch up to new ip addresses but it can get the word of mouth out on new dns records? | [19:06] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: I make $700/week from my current job | [19:06] |
| douchebag: | I make anywhere between $1k-20k/month doing my web app pentesting | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag as things currently stand, if it's fiats and it's not in the billions you're wasting your time. | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | think about it for a second, it's dubious if there are one thousand human beings alive today. the total monetary mass is well past the trillion mark. | [19:07] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Ben_vulpes lowest effort cultures but their story in this case seems to check out. | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | anything less than the billion dollars is the sound of you getting shortchanged. | [19:07] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Everyone's got to start somewhere, and anyone who knows me knows very well that I am one of the most strong willed people you'll ever meet | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | BigTexasBingo i don't want to read that, can there be a one line summary ? | [19:07] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: I would love to make a billion dollars | [19:07] |
| douchebag: | I've been talking to a few investors in regards to InfoSec | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag well, from experience you won't make it supporting the system but burning it down. | [19:07] |
| douchebag: | Between a few people, I have $3.5million that investors are willing to invest | [19:08] |
| BigTexasBingo: | mircea_popescu Anglin and weev bullied Mexico into taking Honduran refugees | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | BigTexasBingo according to mexico ? or the honduran refugees ? | [19:08] |
| douchebag: | and I have a team of people who are extremely skilled | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag do you know who ers is/was ? | [19:08] |
| douchebag: | no I do not | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265178 << he did the exact same thing, except back when he also had the excuse of "all this being new" and "you don't know how it will go" | [19:10] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-09-07 12:55 punkman: then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835 | [19:10] |
| douchebag: | what do you mean same exact thing? | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | just that. same exact thing. | [19:11] |
| douchebag: | same exact thing as what? | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | "I would love to make a billion dollars Between a few people, I have $3.5million that investors are willing to invest and I have a team of people who are extremely skilled" | [19:13] |
| douchebag: | So what do you suppose we do? | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | try to leverage technology to convince the political power to give you some decidous leaves inscribed with flattering but ultimately hollow words such as "glory forever!" which will stick around for a season before turning to dust. | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically, you're engaging in the up to date equivalent of the athenian poetry competition. | [19:14] |
| BigTexasBingo: | (+mircea_popescu) BigTexasBingo according to mexico ? or the honduran refugees ? << According to developing trumpism and Mexico | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | (no, ustards didn't invent pop culture. britny hilton existed 500 bc, fo sho.) | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | BigTexasBingo link where trump says anglin did something ?! | [19:15] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Some of the people I have on my stoppped terrorism via hacking | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag as above : according to whom, "the terrorists" ? | [19:16] |
| douchebag: | Muslims plotting terrorists attacks | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. some of the classical atenian poets stopped the rain. heck, one even sang his way into hell. he didn't actually accomplish anything down there, but he ALMOST did. | [19:16] |
| douchebag: | IE: Reverse engineering enemy weaponry | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | "that should count for something" | [19:16] |
| douchebag: | SCADA hacking | [19:16] |
| douchebag: | ect.. | [19:16] |
| BigTexasBingo: | Mircea_popescu chance of posturing. Requires more digging. Possibly lulz blooming in the coming weeks, but likely no less than 10 days | [19:17] |
| douchebag: | Cyber Warfare is a real deal, and it's going to continue getting more serious | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag have you perchance read http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ ? because you might be selling cabbage to the gardners. | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | in simple terms, the terrorists long ago won all possible battles. they're just not who you thought would be the terrorists. | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaanyway, my original curio in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-31#1791647 is very much resolved. take the scott alexander fellow from above : he's been around for long enough, writes frequently enough, meets all the other criteria implied in the request. he's very VERBOSE too, and utterly fucking unreadable. | [19:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-31 16:40 mircea_popescu: i would really like a list of "all personal blogs older than a decade" right about now. | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i managed to get to point X of his ENDLESS "i can tolerate anything except the outgroup" "recommended article", after going through another two or three items placed higher on his list of self-recommendations but eventually my patience was exhausted. | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's not technically on the level of the literate-since-yesterday redditard, but he's very much on the level right above that -- zero intellectual curiosity (in spite of a lot of meta herp derping about it), absolutely no critical ability whatsoever, a complete inadherence to humor, metaphore, rhetorical device, subtext, any sign of an intellectual life whatsoever. | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | he reads to me like someone on antipsychotic medication. maybe at some point in his youth he was intelligent, i guess, but by now i'd much rather listen to the barristas. at least they giggle. | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | "An advertisement costs $250/month or $1250/6 months, plus an extra $50 if you want me to design it for you. Ads can expect about 10,000 to 20,000 impressions per day. Past ads that were interesting and well-targeted have gotten about five hundred clickthroughs in their first week, followed by a steady fifty clickthroughs per week thereafter." jesus christ, and ~nobody reads it on top of everything else. how the fuck do you g | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | et 200 comments out of 2000 readers ? | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, wait, wait. by being this wikitard style of participative democratic cow. i forgot. | [20:16] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/the-letter/ << Trilema - The Letter | [22:38] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, on chinesiumtron, errything, errything worx... but... gnat/ | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | no dice re how to even begin to produce an arm64 gnat. | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | ( that it gotta happen on another machine , is a give, given the impossibility of building a gnat without a working gnat ) | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | *given | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | what hangs ? | [23:06] |
| asciilifeform: | the inexistence of a binary arm64 adacore gnat distro | [23:06] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. nuffin to run. | [23:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't adacore itself release a bare arm gnat ? | [23:07] |
| asciilifeform: | 32 | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [23:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and , on top of this, 'bare' is very different animal from linux ) | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | im pretty sure it was a "raspbian" ie, extra-lame-ubuntu | [23:08] |
| asciilifeform: | correct. for arm32. | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | is the z7000 also 32 ? | [23:08] |
| asciilifeform: | wassat ? | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | zynq-7000, a xilinx wrapper | [23:08] |
| asciilifeform: | aa that -- that's what they stuffed into recent xilinxen in place of the old ppc core | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform: | pogo for that matter is also an arm7 (32) | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform: | arm32 is not hard to find. but doesn't help any in building a working arm64 gnat ( at least no more than working copy of stock x86-64 gnat ) | [23:10] |
| asciilifeform: | arm64 gnat does not appear to exist anywhere, nor anyone publicly mentioned having build one afaik. | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen. the zynq is a 64 board and it's in the adacore's list of somewhat supported packages. | [23:11] |
| * asciilifeform | looks... | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, it has a whole pile of "intel me" bs (did i mention - xilinx ?) but nevertheless | [23:12] |
| asciilifeform: | xilinx datashit says it's an arm7 | [23:13] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. 32b. | [23:13] |
| asciilifeform: | ~= pogo. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/cover/866607/ worth caching for later lulz | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform zynqMP is 64. | [23:13] |
| asciilifeform: | aka arm cortex a9 | [23:13] |
| asciilifeform: | hm | [23:14] |
| asciilifeform: | where's the gnat for it tho | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah... | [23:15] |
| asciilifeform: | aa the arm-eabi-.* bareboard thing | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | gnueabi yeah | [23:16] |
| asciilifeform: | it dunwork on arm64. just tried. | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, it may be useful as a stepping stone | [23:16] |
| asciilifeform: | approx as useful as the x86 one lol | [23:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | alternatively, freebsd had a thing for arm64 that may be able to compile a gnat capable to compile your gnat ? | [23:17] |
| asciilifeform: | theoretically can build on on ordinary x64, 'crossdev' | [23:17] |
| asciilifeform: | but annoying that nobody seems to have ever published one or mentioned the existence. | [23:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems certain it'll be one of those intermediate-steps-bootstrapping deals. | [23:17] |
| asciilifeform: | i made one for mips in 2016, it was nasty | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | this goes right back to the 'buy five moar, or throw the 1 out !' megadilemma. | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | so thats why "nobody has published". thousand eyes don't do work. | [23:20] |
| asciilifeform: | nobody does a lick of motherfuqinwork. | [23:20] |
| asciilifeform: | abundantly clear. | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, check out the blogger from ealirer, there's enough stream of consciousness commentary there to last a legion of talk therapist. | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, im pretty sure the adacore people were fucking around with arm64 at some point. maybe asc gingold or someone ? | [23:22] |
| asciilifeform: | btw turned out, asciilifeform's pet was semiregular entomo-reader of subj | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform did you ever get adapro btw ? | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform: | 'wassat' 'usefulidjit' | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: nope | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | want to ? and what subject ? | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform: | not even sure it's a separate proggy possibly more of a same-proggy + support contract | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's the point, the support contract. can ask gingold and actually expect an answer, as opposed to hope for one. | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but otherwise it's very much not different in any meaningful way. | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | just... here's the political reasoning : symbolics went to shit ~in part~ because nobody was there to corrupt the idiots involved into turning arms against the empire of stupid that spawned them and stab it in the back. | [23:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | adacore is perhaps the closest contemporary approximation why not pay them a little for their pompous if economically dysfunctional "moneymaker" and then brazenly ask them to help you ruin the whole thing ? | [23:29] |
| asciilifeform: | potentially interesting, i did not to date consider it. dun forget tho that they get ~infinite pile of printolade from lockheed, boeing, et al. | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | technologists are universally treasonous, that's fundamentally what the word means, a new face on the old "bastard", son of no father. they might go for it. | [23:29] |
| asciilifeform: | sorta heart of empire item. | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform indeed the easiest target is the upperclass housewife. | [23:30] |
| * asciilifeform | can see it. | [23:30] |
| asciilifeform: | definitely idea. | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | other than that, there's also the spoon+swamp of "get sorta-gnat compiled on arm64 freebsd, use that to compile real gnat, use that to..." | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | are the policeman intelligent or strong ? | [23:31] |
| * asciilifeform | 'seekritly' aims to break the 'need gnat to gnat' circle of nonsense | [23:32] |
| asciilifeform: | downright african, that thing is | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't see how it's avi | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | avoidable. sooner or later the bootstrap problem kicks in. | [23:34] |
| asciilifeform: | bootstrap pyramidally. e.g. via a 20kb proggy written for a 2kb forth. | [23:35] |
| asciilifeform: | like sane folx. | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess. | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | #ada is asleep and in other lulz dbotton disappeared. (guy used to run getadanow.com, maybe still does) | [23:36] |
| asciilifeform: | thing suffers the consequences of being part of the gcc backend swamp. | [23:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( to be fair, not as if there was or is any working alternative. but -- swamp. ) | [23:40] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl,bed | [23:57] |
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